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Speaker 1: Kyle Yates is a Dynasty fantasy analyst who previously spent

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Speaker 1: time as a host of the Fantasy Pros podcast and

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Speaker 1: a fantasy football content director at the Pro Football Network.

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Speaker 1: He's a dad of three, He's a Bears fan, and

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Speaker 1: he works in his church full time. These are his

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Speaker 1: Late Round perspectives. It was my first interview since talking

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Speaker 1: to Kendrick Bourne. Okay, Radio Row, so you got you

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Speaker 1: got some you do have some big shoes to fill

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Speaker 1: because he was amazing, Like one of the greatest interviews

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Speaker 1: that I could have asked for.

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Speaker 2: There were a couple of players that I interviewed on

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Speaker 2: Radio Road that I was like, you are amazing, Like yeah,

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Speaker 2: and you would never expect it to where Brevin Jordan.

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Speaker 2: Grevin Jordan was actually like my favorite interview the entire

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Speaker 2: time that I was at Radio Row.

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Speaker 3: He was so good on camera. And then Alexander Madison.

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Speaker 2: Alexander Madison was like the nicest human being that I

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Speaker 2: think I have ever encountered. And that was that was

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Speaker 2: on the heels of like him just getting absolutely verbally

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, destroyed by by everybody and how inefficient he

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Speaker 1: was and how yeah, but he was he was amazing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the thing for me. And I said

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Speaker 3: this on the show.

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Speaker 1: It's like it's really easy to you know, lose sight

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Speaker 1: of them as humans.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not just saying that.

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Speaker 1: To say that and like you know, to like be

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Speaker 1: this like really good guy and it's like no, like

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Speaker 1: like during the fantasy season, you're looking at data points

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Speaker 1: for these players right like they're they're almost not human

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Speaker 1: from that perspective, and it's sickening and gross and new

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Speaker 1: feel gross, but it is a nice thing to kind

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Speaker 1: of have that interaction and I did. We interviewed Tedoro

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Speaker 1: McMillan as well, and one of the things that I

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Speaker 1: that we brought up to him was like if he

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Speaker 1: was hearing from fantasy people, from from like players and

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Speaker 1: stuff like that. He said that he didn't hear that

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Speaker 1: much this past year, which was good. And you know,

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Speaker 1: like you you want rookies to enter the league and

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Speaker 1: not immediately just like reject everything the fantasy football is

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Speaker 3: But like get that kind of garbage out of here.

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Speaker 1: Like these guys are dudes, and they're they're you know

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Speaker 1: a lot of them are really really gracious. Like we

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Speaker 1: talked to Josh Johnson was our third one, our other one,

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Speaker 1: and the dude was just like filled with unbelievable knowledge

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Speaker 1: because he's been in the league for like seventeen years,

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Speaker 1: you know, And he sat down with us for like

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Speaker 1: ten minutes beforehand and just chatted and we talked about

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Speaker 1: like his workout routine and stuff, and like that's the

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Speaker 1: kind of stuff that you just don't get to, you know,

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Speaker 1: see without experiencing it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's different too when like the players are

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Speaker 2: not going to interact with you if you are interacting

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Speaker 2: that way with them rightly, right like, so you're actually

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Speaker 2: all you're doing is shouting into the void and shooting

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Speaker 2: yourself in the foot for eventual potential opportunities to actually

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Speaker 2: connect with these players who are human beings and are

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Speaker 2: just out like the majority of them are just great

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Speaker 2: human beings.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The one thing though, I will say is that every

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Speaker 1: right like, like like walking by Derrick Henry was one

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Speaker 1: of the most frightening experiences in my life. And I

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Speaker 1: can't even imagine a defender trying to stop that man.

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Speaker 2: Well, I even held open the door at Radio Roop

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Speaker 2: for Jordan Love at one point, and I was like, yeah.

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Speaker 3: You're so much larger. Yeah yeah, yeah, well that yeah.

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Speaker 1: I got that picture with Flacco right, and like Flaco

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Speaker 1: is like he's gigantic, Like I'm six one. Guys, if

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Speaker 1: you see that picture online, I'm six one, Okay, I'm

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Speaker 1: not like I'm six' one like two hundred, you know,

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Speaker 3: The dude is.

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Speaker 2: Massive, which is then insane when you think of like

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Speaker 2: guys like Darnell Washington and Dereck Henry who make like

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Speaker 2: these other NFL players look small. Yeah, yeah, okay, I

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Speaker 2: you could literally flick me and I would probably go

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Speaker 2: flying back.

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Speaker 1: Ten.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Although I did see I did see a postgame Seahawks

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Speaker 1: interview with Sam Darnold and Kenneth Walker, and the interviewer

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Speaker 1: asked them it was like a quick you know, when

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Speaker 1: it's just like it's like a TikTok video or something.

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Speaker 3: They were just asking a quick questions and.

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Speaker 1: One of them was could a regular, average human complete

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Speaker 1: a pass in the NFL? And they both said no,

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Speaker 1: And then they said, can a regular person on ten

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Speaker 1: tries gain a yard and they both said yes, surprisingly Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they both.

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Speaker 2: I think there's a difference between the Seattle Seahawks offensive

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Speaker 2: line at this point and like the Las Vegas Raiders offense, right,

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Speaker 2: it's not all situations are equal.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's very true.

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Speaker 1: All right, we're going to get into that analysis first.

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Speaker 1: First off, it's great to talk to you. We haven't

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Speaker 1: done a show together in a minute. You know, you've

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Speaker 3: Although I do have to say I did get that

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Speaker 3: W in your Dynasty League this year, so yeah, I

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Speaker 2: That up, and that's some pretty steep competition. So I

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Speaker 2: think it's a little bit different too. If you wanted

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but.

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Speaker 1: No, it's like I said, it's been a minute, but

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Speaker 1: I want to talk and introduce you to you know,

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Speaker 1: this audience for those who don't know you. You know, what

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Speaker 1: you're doing now and sort of that that journey in general.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, you got thirty to forty minutes to just

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Speaker 2: talk about the winding road that is my career in

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Speaker 2: the fantasy industry. No, it's I think there will be

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Speaker 2: a lot of people that are listening that recognize my

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Speaker 2: the elephant in the room right away is that I

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Speaker 2: did take the entire twenty twenty five season off. And

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Speaker 2: all reason for that is my daughter was born in

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Speaker 2: September of twenty twenty four, and she was born with

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Speaker 2: an incredibly rare chromosome disorder. She spent one hundred and

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Speaker 3: In Nick you and pick you. She has a trait gtube.

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Speaker 2: So for my medical medically complex parents that are and

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Speaker 2: get you, I am you.

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Speaker 3: And so it was.

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Speaker 2: It was at a point too where I had gone

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Speaker 2: Like it had become so much intertwined with my job

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Speaker 2: So to go back to how I got started. In

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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, I started writing for the Fantasy Footballers. I

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Speaker 2: got brought onto their writing team Kyle BORGANNIONI hired me there,

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Speaker 2: and just an absolutely phenomenal organization and what they do Andy,

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Speaker 2: Mike and Jason are just not human beings. So I

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Speaker 2: ended up writing for them not very long, honestly, Like

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Speaker 2: I handled their Dynasty coverage going into that NFL Draft

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Speaker 2: and that was like writing up Daniel Jones scouting report.

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Speaker 3: So this is going back a while now.

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Speaker 2: And ended up writing for them for about like six

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Speaker 2: know I'm not going to get this job, but I

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Speaker 2: want to apply. I want to make some connections. See

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Speaker 2: to apply fast forward and over some I've seen the

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Speaker 2: list of names that I got hired over, and I

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Speaker 2: still do not know why I got hired for that position,

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Speaker 2: especially going back and listening to my first podcast, it

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Speaker 2: Everyone's terrible in their first pod. Every oh my word,

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Speaker 3: You're like, I'm not good.

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Speaker 2: So I got hired on full time in January of

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty, and then March of twenty twenty, all sports

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Speaker 3: I've got a young kid at home, what have I done?

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Speaker 2: And went through just a lot there at Fantasy Pros

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Speaker 2: over the two years that I was with them. Twenty

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Speaker 2: going into that season, we had really found a groove.

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Speaker 2: Mike Tagliaire just I mean, you can see the hat

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Speaker 2: but he, he and I were getting just incredible chemistry

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Speaker 2: we uh going into the twenty twenty one season, Tags

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Speaker 2: like in November, I was like okay, as long as

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Speaker 2: Dan's still here, I think I can still deal with

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Speaker 2: the constant reminders and just like you know, the yeah

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Speaker 2: was like, I can still because Dan had become one

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Speaker 2: But at that point it was like, I think I

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Speaker 2: I had the plan to launch my own company. And

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Speaker 2: then a week before I'm ready to launch my company,

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Speaker 2: I get a Twitter alert from a guy named JJ

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Speaker 2: Zacharison saying that he's launching his own company.

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Speaker 2: But as far as like what he what he ended

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Speaker 2: I wrote the Primer in his absence, and I was like,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like that's that was literally.

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Speaker 3: It's uh, you know I know that that folks.

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Speaker 1: All right, So when you look back on the twenty

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Speaker 1: were an unbelievably well coached team both on offense and defense.

443
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Speaker 1: I mean Klint Kubiak obviously now getting the coaching job

444
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Speaker 1: in Vegas, and then Mike McDonald was a monster in

445
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Speaker 1: the way that he you know, coached that defense. And

446
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Speaker 1: so I'm very much And here's another thing. One of

447
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Speaker 1: the consistent themes which was really random but true when

448
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Speaker 1: I walked around Radio Row and talk to different analysts

449
00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:05,000
Speaker 1: this year, you know, like a week ago, was that

450
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Speaker 1: people are relatively bullish on cam Ward that this is

451
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Speaker 1: this is not a you know, like because my thing

452
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Speaker 1: is I'm going into Radio Row and I'm the fantasy

453
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,080
Speaker 1: nerd when most people are just like real football analysts,

454
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Speaker 1: and like I'm the one who's sort of like, you know,

455
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Speaker 1: out of out of the circle, if you will, Whereas

456
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Speaker 1: you know, if we're in like the fantasy football expot

457
00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,840
Speaker 1: it's a complete opposite because everyone's just into fantasy and

458
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Speaker 1: so I'm trying to gauge how they feel about players,

459
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Speaker 1: and I'm you know, talking about how seeing how they

460
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Speaker 1: kind of view the fantasy space and understandably if they're

461
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Speaker 1: tilted over the way that some fantasy analysts speak to

462
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Speaker 1: them on Twitter and on social media and stuff like that.

463
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Speaker 1: And one of the things that they said pretty consistently

464
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Speaker 1: was always this this cam Ward thing and how fantasy

465
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Speaker 1: analysts are way too strict with the way that they're

466
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Speaker 1: analyzing him because of what, like you said, the advanced

467
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Speaker 1: metrics are saying.

468
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Speaker 3: Because if you.

469
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Speaker 1: Look historically, players don't really come back from those kinds

470
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Speaker 1: of advanced metrics. But I think we've seen enough in

471
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Speaker 1: recent memory of guys who look like objectively they would

472
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Speaker 1: be in that like bottom ten percentile and then coming

473
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Speaker 1: through and being at least reasonably good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it doesn't necessarily mean that I'm going to

475
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Speaker 2: be like, hey, cam Ward is my sleeper quarterback for

476
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Speaker 2: twenty thirty six, But it really speaks more to I'm

477
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Speaker 2: going to be more invested in potentially some of the

478
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Speaker 2: other receiving weapons, assuming that they do upgrade.

479
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Speaker 3: Because that was part of the conversation with Kim Ward.

480
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Speaker 2: It wasn't just that, like, Okay, he walked into a

481
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,399
Speaker 2: really bad, really good situation and he played really poorly.

482
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Speaker 2: He was no this We knew going into the year

483
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Speaker 2: that this was going to be a rough situation for

484
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Speaker 2: any quarterback.

485
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

486
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Speaker 2: The wide receivers that he had and the coaching, I mean, yeah,

487
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Speaker 2: you can that thing blew up quick. So I think

488
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Speaker 2: it's all part of it. You have to have the

489
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Speaker 2: context to it. You have to have the context to

490
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Speaker 2: be able to say, Okay, how did we get to

491
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Speaker 2: those numbers and is there a way for him to rebound?

492
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Speaker 2: So it's not necessarily that I'm like, yeah, cam Ward

493
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Speaker 2: for sure, top twelve quarterback next year. But it's more

494
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Speaker 2: so I'm going to be interested in taking some late

495
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Speaker 2: round dark throws on an eli Ao Mayner or you know,

496
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Speaker 2: one of these other guys that they bring in in

497
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Speaker 2: free agency.

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Speaker 1: You know, I do think I know that you're doing

499
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Speaker 1: more dynasty focused stuff now, but it wouldn't surprise me

500
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Speaker 1: at all. Like from a dynasty standpoint, I don't really

501
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Speaker 1: have a strong take on cam Ward. From a redraft standpoint,

502
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Speaker 1: I guarantee you he's going to be a late round

503
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Speaker 1: dart throw for me. Next year, you know where like

504
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Speaker 1: where you know the quarterback is deep enough where we're

505
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Speaker 1: going to have fifteen quarterbacks that we feel great about,

506
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Speaker 1: and he's not going to be part of that group,

507
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Speaker 1: but you get dable there where you know they're going

508
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Speaker 1: to run a lot of those like RPO type stuff.

509
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Speaker 1: That RPO type stuff you're going to get him, you know,

510
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Speaker 1: using his legs a lot more. Obviously it's a cheat

511
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Speaker 1: code and fantasy. And so if you do see that

512
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Speaker 1: ascension in any way from a passing standpoint, then all

513
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 1: of a sudden you're like, Okay, yeah, he could be

514
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Speaker 1: a at least you know, fringe top twelve quarterback when

515
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Speaker 1: he's being drafted, probably as like a mid to lower

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Speaker 1: QB two.

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Speaker 2: Right, and it goes to it speaks to this entire theme,

518
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Speaker 2: and the takeaway is my late round dart throw quarterback

519
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Speaker 2: last year was Drake May, right, because it was a

520
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Speaker 2: very similar like, okay, well in the final rounds draft

521
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Speaker 2: and I'm gonna wait on quarterback. Do I Joe Flacco

522
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Speaker 2: has a pretty solid streaming matchpen week one or do

523
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Speaker 2: I go with Drake May. I'll go with Drake May

524
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Speaker 2: because of the rushing upside and then of course he

525
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Speaker 2: has as phenomenal of as year as he does, and

526
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Speaker 2: I didn't drop him the entire year, so it kind

527
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Speaker 2: of speaks to that takeaway it could work out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about last year's rookie running back class,

529
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Speaker 1: because I went into it thinking, you know, from like

530
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Speaker 1: a prospecting standpoint, and what my model does. That model

531
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Speaker 1: was saying that last year's rookie class looked really, really good.

532
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Speaker 1: The interesting thing is that when we walk away from

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Speaker 1: the season, a lot of people have differing opinions and

534
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Speaker 1: views on how good that class was. So my question

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Speaker 1: to you was, do you think that that rookie class underperformed, overperformed,

536
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Speaker 1: or kind of just performed at expectation.

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Speaker 2: I think the answer to this is yes to all

538
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Speaker 2: of the above, right, Like, I think you can answer

539
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Speaker 2: it that way because you look at the top of

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Speaker 2: the class in Ashton genty, Marion Hampton, r J Harvey,

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Speaker 2: Trevon Henderson, Like Ashton GenZ was RB seventeen in points

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Speaker 2: per game amry In Hampton RB sixteen, Harvey RB twenty two,

543
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Speaker 2: and this is in half PPR scoring format triviaon Henderson

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Speaker 2: RB twenty five, and you like, okay, Quinn Shawn Judkins

545
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Speaker 2: RB twenty three from a points per game standpoint, like,

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Speaker 2: that's not really what we expected of them, Especially with

547
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Speaker 2: rookie running backs, we expect them to hit the ground

548
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Speaker 2: running and perform potentially into that top fifteen category. But

549
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Speaker 2: then you look at how deep the class was and

550
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Speaker 2: you go further down the board and you're like Cam'scat

551
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Speaker 2: RB eleven in points per game, wood he Marks RB

552
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Speaker 2: thirty three, Kyle Manungai RB thirty eight, and you can

553
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Speaker 2: just keep going down the list, And I don't know

554
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Speaker 2: if it was like this for you, where you think

555
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Speaker 2: through the rookie running backs from this last year, like

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Speaker 2: Okay gent Hampton Harvey, Okay, j Corey Krossky merrit At

557
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Speaker 2: RB thirty seven in points per game, and the list

558
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Speaker 2: just keeps going. It just truly just keeps going where

559
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Speaker 2: you're like, oh yeah that, oh yeah him, Devin neil

560
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Speaker 2: Brichhard Smith, Ollie Gordon, like baseel Tooton. It just keeps

561
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Speaker 2: going for the amount of players that were in this

562
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Speaker 2: rookie class, and it made me think of the timing

563
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Speaker 2: of it was really really needed and beneficial for Fantasy

564
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Speaker 2: because of that Elite twenty seventeen NFL Draft. Yeah, and

565
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Speaker 2: how deep that class was. Those guys are on the

566
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Speaker 2: tail at the tail end of their career or are

567
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 2: already out of the league. Like that was Christian McCaffrey,

568
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 2: Austin Eckler, Dalvin Cook, Joe Mixon, Aaron Jones, Leonard Fournette,

569
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Speaker 2: Alvin Kamara, James Connor, Marlon Matt Kareem Huntery, Kareem, Wayne Gallman,

570
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Speaker 2: Chris Carson, Matt Breda, Corey Clement. Right, Like that was

571
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Speaker 2: an insanely deep fantasy draft, and I think the depth

572
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 2: of this past class was really really needed to bring

573
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Speaker 2: in that next wave of players. So it's kind of

574
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 2: an accordion effect, if that makes sense, where you're like

575
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Speaker 2: the top of the class didn't meet expectations really or overperform,

576
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Speaker 2: but then the back end of the class and some

577
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 2: of those dart throw names actually dramatically overperformed, and it

578
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Speaker 2: kind of brings them all into this really kind of

579
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Speaker 2: just in the middle.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, that makes a ton of sense.

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Speaker 1: The other thing, like you mentioned that twenty seventeen class,

582
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Speaker 1: which was always the comparison you know that folks were making,

583
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Speaker 1: and I, in my opinion, when you look at it objectively,

584
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Speaker 1: like starting the season, beginning of the season, you know,

585
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Speaker 1: before the season, I thought that there were players like

586
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Speaker 1: this class matched up well with that one in terms

587
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Speaker 1: of just like sheer, talent and ability. And I did

588
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Speaker 1: that even looking at it objectively through the models lens.

589
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Speaker 1: But then on top of that, like there are players

590
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Speaker 1: from that twenty seventeen class, Like it felt like this

591
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Speaker 1: was the year where it finally collapsed. You know, you

592
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: had you just named all the players, but Alvin Kamara

593
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 1: finally looks like he fell off right, Like it's probably

594
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Speaker 1: over for him.

595
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Speaker 3: You have Joe Mixon who didn't even play.

596
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm assuming retirement is coming for him just

597
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Speaker 1: based on what happened there. James Connor, you know, gets

598
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: banged up and who knows what's going to happen, you know,

599
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Speaker 1: with his career in the future. So you get these injuries.

600
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Speaker 1: And then on top of that, you already had guys

601
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Speaker 1: who are already kind of done, you know, like a

602
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook type CMC is still cooking. But even he

603
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: had long year. Yeah, and then he didn't even have

604
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Speaker 1: that that efficient of a season. He was a beast,

605
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Speaker 1: but he didn't have that efficient of a season, and

606
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Speaker 1: so yeah, it's sort of like a changing of the guard,

607
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: like we have this new running back class. I look

608
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: at it, and I would agree that the ceiling outcomes

609
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 1: were not there. We didn't get I mean, maybe we

610
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Speaker 1: could have seen Cam Skataboo end up.

611
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Speaker 3: As a low end RB one, high end RB two.

612
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Speaker 1: Maybe I know that my rest season rankings had him

613
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: around there right before he got hurt. But you know,

614
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 1: we can't just assume that would have gone down near

615
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Speaker 1: the rest of the season. Yeah, Ashon gent inefficient in

616
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: a bad situation, quench On Judkins inefficient in a bad situation,

617
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: and then like took a little bit for Travon Henderson

618
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,719
Speaker 1: to get going, et cetera, et cetera. But again, you

619
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Speaker 1: mentioned that depth the Day three guys. I don't think

620
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: people realize how rare it is to have multiple I'm

621
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Speaker 1: talking like three or four Day three running backs being

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Speaker 1: as relevant as they were in a single season like that.

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Speaker 2: Now, yeah, everyone everyone's going to go into this year

624
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Speaker 2: being like, oh, I can get I can get running

625
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Speaker 2: back in my third or fourth round of my Dynasty

626
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 2: rookie draft.

627
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Speaker 3: No, you can't, you can't.

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Speaker 1: You usually get like one of those guys a year,

629
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Speaker 1: and we had from like a usable peace standpoint. I

630
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: mean what he marks wasn't like a beast, but he

631
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: was at least usable in fantasy. And Kyle Mnungai wasn't

632
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: a beast, but he was a usable in fantasy. And

633
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 1: and you had Jacory Krossky merrit at times, you know,

634
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,719
Speaker 1: down the stretch whenever you get that backguone to himself.

635
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: And then there's still players in this class, like a

636
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: Bashall Tutan who didn't get that opportunity, you know, was

637
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 1: banged up a little bit. You know, I have some

638
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: concerns that I actually need to to send an amendment

639
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 1: to a.

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00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 3: Take that I had earlier last month.

641
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,479
Speaker 1: But regardless of all that, like he still might have

642
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: an opportunity next year if they don't you know, re

643
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: sign and keep Traves etn. So there's just a lot

644
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 1: of that going on where like some of these guys

645
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: who didn't break out, you I could still do something.

646
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: And so that that's to me why I would agree

647
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: totally that there's a lot deeper of a class than

648
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: what folks might totally just realize because they're looking at

649
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: more of those.

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00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 3: Like high end outcomes overall.

651
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's again going back to the twenty seventeen

652
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 2: NFL draft, like those are chairs that are going to

653
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 2: be opened up, right if they aren't already opened up,

654
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 2: And Eckler was that situation for Washington with Jakori Krossky

655
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Speaker 2: Maria stepping in.

656
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 3: So like those these.

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Speaker 2: Players that, especially given the fact that this twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: six NFL Draft does not have as deep of a

659
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: running back group, then there is a chance for Baseil

660
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 2: Tutin to actually make an impact next year, assuming that

661
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: Etn leaves in free agency, because like, well, you're not

662
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 2: going to find a top tier replacement for him in

663
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 2: the NFL draft this year, so might as well go

664
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Speaker 2: with tutan who we saw some flashes from this past year.

665
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, for the record, and I'll I'll just tease this slash.

666
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna end up sending a newsletter blast

667
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: out about it. But my Tutin take last month was

668
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: that I thought he was a buy candidate and I

669
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: only you know, I only called out like nine ish

670
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: by candidates on the show. And the more that I've

671
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: done because I'm doing year two profiles for the Prospect

672
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: Guide right now, the more I've dug into it the thing,

673
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,719
Speaker 1: the more I think, Okay, it's fine to buy him,

674
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: but I should have called him out specifically on the show,

675
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: you know, Like I think I would lean more by

676
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: than sell, But a lean is not necessarily what I

677
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: want to call out on a show like that. And

678
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: there's some reasons for that that I you know, dig

679
00:29:58,680 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: into it and whatnot.

680
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 3: But you know, I just think he's.

681
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: A volatile asset, or more volatile than I than I initially,

682
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: you know thought whenever I made that take.

683
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 3: With that class.

684
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Speaker 1: One of the weird things that I did a Cell

685
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Speaker 1: candidate show earlier this week, and on that show, I

686
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: talked about a lot of Year two players, specifically in

687
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Speaker 1: this running back classes. We're talking about running backs Travon

688
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: Henderson and RJ.

689
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 3: Harvey. Now, I don't think they're bad players.

690
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,239
Speaker 1: This is all a price related thing, and I was

691
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: I was getting those prices from keep trade cut whenever

692
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: I made those those takes, those stances. Am I an

693
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: idiot for calling them out as potential cell candidates?

694
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 3: Right now?

695
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 2: The conversation with Dynasty always has to take into the

696
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 2: greater context and an understanding that it's all relative, right,

697
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 2: Like you can say a player is a cell like

698
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 2: Trevon Henderson, you can say he's a cell, but if

699
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 2: you're going to get the RB thirty five in return,

700
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, well, no, he's not a sell right,

701
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 2: Like you're you're trying to take advantage. And I did

702
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 2: listen to that podcast I heard you. I think think

703
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: you mentioned James Cook is the name that was like Henderson? Yeah, yeah,

704
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 2: Henderson being ranked above James Cook doesn't make sense to you.

705
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 2: And that's the same way for me. I've got Henderson

706
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 2: at RB eight in Dynasty right now and then James

707
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 2: Cook at RB six. So if there is an opportunity

708
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 2: to sell someone like Trevon Henderson for James Cook, then yes,

709
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: I would do that because the rankings actually dictate that

710
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 2: and spell that out clearly for me. But if you're

711
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 2: going to just say, like there are some Dynasty cells

712
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 2: where you're like, I want to get out now before

713
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 2: the bottom completely falls out, yes, and I don't think

714
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 2: I don't think that's the case.

715
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 3: What are these either of these players?

716
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 2: Right, Henderson the bottom's not going to fall out on him,

717
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 2: and RGI Harvey r J Harvey, the Botmom's not going

718
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 2: to fall out on him. Either I think he's going

719
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 2: to have this role. But I think for Henderson the

720
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 2: comp that I keep coming back to from a usage

721
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 2: standpoint and potentially the path is Jamior Gibbs. Right, you

722
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 2: remember the first two years for Gibbs, if I'm remembering correctly,

723
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 2: the first two years for Gibbs were like, Okay, he's

724
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 2: in this split backfield. He's not truly taking that next

725
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: step that we think he can be and can handle

726
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 2: a larger workload because that's the role that the offense

727
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 2: had for him and they wanted to keep him in

728
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 2: a lighter touch count. And he's still being very very

729
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 2: effective for Fantasy, but he's not going to truly ascend

730
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 2: because there is another.

731
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,719
Speaker 3: Member of this backfield in David Montgomery.

732
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: And so for Henderson, I think is a very similar

733
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 2: conversation with Ramandra Stevenson and how well he performed down

734
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Speaker 2: the stretch last year. I think we're not going to

735
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Speaker 2: get Henderson stepping into a larger role, even though he

736
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 2: may well be deserving of it. There is an argument

737
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 2: to be made with the one two punch that they

738
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 2: have in New England and this offense taking another step

739
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 2: next year where Stevenson's under contract, he's not going anywhere,

740
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 2: So I think Henderson, we're going to have to wait

741
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 2: a year before we then see potentially a larger step forward.

742
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 3: So that means that he's.

743
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 2: Still a valuable top ten dynasty running back right because

744
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 2: of his age and because of the talent level. But

745
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 2: I don't think we can put him up into the

746
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 2: top five for Harvey really quickly.

747
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 3: Harvey is there.

748
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 2: We've seen that there are NFL offensive coordinators and NFL

749
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 2: head coaches that they have their offensive scheme and then

750
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 2: they and they believe so firmly in that scheme that

751
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 2: then they are going to go out and find the

752
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 2: players that fill the roles that make that scheme go.

753
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: And so for Sean Payton with r J. Harvey, I

754
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 2: think the role that he has is what we saw

755
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: this past year, which was one hundred and forty six

756
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 2: brush attempts and fifty eight targets for R J. Harvey,

757
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 2: and that didn't change much. When JK. Dobbins went down.

758
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 2: You saw other running backs step in versus the majority

759
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 2: of the workload going to the Harvey. So I don't

760
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 2: see I mean, let me know if you think differently,

761
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 2: but I don't see that role massively increasing this next year.

762
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 2: I think in free agency, I think they could go

763
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 2: out and get a Tyler Aljeer to fill if they

764
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 2: don't want to bring Dobbins back because of the injury history.

765
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 2: But I think they could very well bring Dobbins back.

766
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 2: I just don't see Sean Payton going like, you know what,

767
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 2: I'm going to change everything that I've done over the

768
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 2: how long and be like Harvey at two hundred and

769
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 2: five pounds or whatever he is is worthy of being

770
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: a workhorse twenty plus touch, you know, a game type

771
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 2: of player that's just not a conversation the path I

772
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 2: see play out.

773
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:13,919
Speaker 3: Yeah.

774
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: I mean so first off with the Henderson stuff, I

775
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 1: also see with Hendrick because I I think I have

776
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 1: Henderson a like RB eight and Dynasty even though he's

777
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: like RB seven and that it's like why would you

778
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: call him out as a cell? Well, first off, I

779
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: think it's a little provocative and interesting content to do

780
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: it right, So, like I wanted to talk through that.

781
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: That's not me doing clickbait stuff. That's me saying like, hey,

782
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: I think that, like this is the way our mind

783
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: should be thinking about Dynasty. That even the players that

784
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: we think are good we can still trade away if

785
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: we think that this is an opportunity to do so

786
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: based on what the market is saying. It's also there's

787
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: just wide receivers that around there that I would just

788
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: way rather.

789
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 3: Prefer than than Henderson in that instance. And so that's

790
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 3: that's playing a big role.

791
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: But like the running back rankings in general, like if

792
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: you go and you sit down and do Dynasty rankings,

793
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: running back just drops off like after like RB four,

794
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: You're just like.

795
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 3: That's the point that I was just about to bring up.

796
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 3: I could throw many many players into this spot. The RJ.

797
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: Harvey stuff, I think is a little bit more clear

798
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: cut in terms of where I see his overall talent profile,

799
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: you know, versus a Henderson, because I thought Henderson was

800
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 1: a better prospect.

801
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 3: Obviously he got a little bit better draft capital.

802
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: The landing spot was doing a little bit more of

803
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: the heavy lifting for RJ.

804
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 3: Harvey.

805
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: And there's also I think I personally think there's a

806
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: phenomenon that goes on where like and I'm guilty of

807
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: it too. You know, maybe I'm even guilty of that

808
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: to a degree with like a bas Shall Tuton, where

809
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: a player that you like going into a draft, gets

810
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: drafted by maybe higher than you expected, or to a

811
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: team that looks good on paper that they can get

812
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,439
Speaker 1: that immediate opportunity, and it's it's sort of natural human

813
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: nature to want to.

814
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 3: Double count that for that player, right. And there was

815
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 3: an RJ.

816
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: Harvey hive for sure during the draft process last year

817
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: where people really really liked him. And I liked him

818
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: too enough, Like I thought that he was a pretty

819
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: good prop But the stuff that I look at analytically,

820
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: you know, like he was older.

821
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 3: He's already twenty five.

822
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: Years old, Like like that's like the Ray Davis stuff,

823
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: Like Ray Davis who was coming out old too, and

824
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 1: like he had a really robust profile.

825
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, he also did because he was playing for

826
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 3: a while.

827
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 2: R J.

828
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 3: Harvey had injuries and he you know, was what have you.

829
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: But I didn't think that his production profile overall was

830
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: like so robust and can't miss. I didn't think it

831
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 1: was a bad prospect. He had a really good burst,

832
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 1: really good speed score and we saw that like we've

833
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: seen that, you know in the NFL now that he

834
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: can generate some of those bigger plays. You know, his

835
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: twenty plus yard run rate was over two percent this

836
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: past year, which is above average for you know, a

837
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: rookie running back.

838
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 3: But I just go back to we love Sean Payton's.

839
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: Offenses for the fact that they will target the running

840
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: back through the air, which is why I think Harvey

841
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: probably will have some role as your notice. But the

842
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: fact that we didn't see enough from him on the

843
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: ground as a runner makes me believe like he was

844
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,280
Speaker 1: third worst in yards overexpected PERRUH rushing yarbs were expected

845
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: per rush this past year according Next Gen Stats. The

846
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: fact that we didn't see that makes me believe that

847
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's going to be like a

848
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,240
Speaker 1: two hundred plus attempt rusher consistently, and if he doesn't,

849
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 1: you know, he can be like a one seventy kind

850
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: of guy with like a twelve percent target shair and

851
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 1: he can be viable in fantasy. But there are people

852
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: out there who likely see a legit like RB.

853
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 3: One ceiling with R J. Harvey, and I'm just not

854
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 3: there right now.

855
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 2: I would agree, and I think the conversation to potentially

856
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 2: have him higher up in Dynasty rankings would be if

857
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: we didn't get the JK. Dobbins injury, and that just

858
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 2: kind of continued and it was like, Okay, well we

859
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 2: still don't know if Harvey gets the full workload, what

860
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 2: could that be, but we we do. We have that

861
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 2: piece of the puzzle and his fantasy analysts. We're constantly

862
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 2: looking for how can we take the pieces of the

863
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 2: puzzle to put them together, and we're going to get

864
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 2: the picture wrong sometimes, but we want to try to

865
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 2: get as many pieces of the puzzles as we can,

866
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 2: and one of those with Harvey was the fact that

867
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 2: we did have a clear path for him to step

868
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 2: into the RB one workload, the clear RB one workload,

869
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 2: and Sean Payton still chose not to do that.

870
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think it's it's important to look at

871
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 1: those splits, you know, don't don't overstate them, but they're

872
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: obviously they're there to help guide us. The year two

873
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: model has three elite producers, so I have a new

874
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 1: category this year called Legendary Performer.

875
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 3: None of them are in that.

876
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: There's not many that are historically, but the elite producers

877
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: are guys who you know, you have a fairly good

878
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: shot of giving us a wide receiver one season over

879
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: the next three years. So that's Tedoro McMillan, No surprise

880
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: there a Mecca Buca and Luther Burden is the other one. Now,

881
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: part of the Luther Burden thing is anchoring to how

882
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: much the model loved him as a prospect.

883
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 3: Like his scorer, his NAP score was.

884
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 1: Just as good as t Max and Abuka's last year,

885
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: which is wild because he was the second round pick.

886
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: My question to you is, how are you ranking those

887
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: three in Dynasty right now? And are there of those

888
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: three do any of them make you nervous?

889
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 2: Okay, So McMillan is wide receiver ten in my Dynasty

890
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 2: rankings right now. He's wide receiver twelve in Fantasy Pros's ECR,

891
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 2: so the expert consensus ranking, So not super big difference.

892
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 2: He's in a tier. If you wanted to move him down,

893
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 2: that's fine. Ag Buka wide receiver eleven in my rankings

894
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 2: in Dynasty, Wide receiver sixteen in ECR. So that's one

895
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 2: where I'm a little bit more bullish on Egbuka, And

896
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 2: I think the missing piece to the puzzle there is

897
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 2: that he did have a hamstring injury in week six. Yeah,

898
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 2: and then that was the point where we saw the

899
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 2: drop off. So I'm I'm kind of banking on that

900
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 2: like we can't see what we saw from the first

901
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: five weeks of EGBUCA and especially have the missing component

902
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 2: of or the potential component of Mike Evans leaving in

903
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 2: free agency or retiring and then that being really his

904
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 2: offense and Chris Godwins to then not be a little

905
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 2: bit more bullish. But if you ask me which one

906
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 2: makes me the most nervous, then that would be that

907
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 2: ranking because of what we saw down the stretch. And

908
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 2: then Burden, I've got a wide receiver nineteen in my

909
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 2: rankings and he's wide receiver twenty six in ECR, which

910
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 2: just blows my mind.

911
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 3: Like, I'm very I'm the top twenty two.

912
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 2: I'm very bullish on Luther Burden moving forward, especially if

913
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 2: we get the DJ More trade that's being rumored, which

914
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 2: I think I think there's a very good chance that

915
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 2: that happens. So the main part for that specifically is

916
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 2: this offense doesn't have really anyone who can stretch the field,

917
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 2: like anyone who has the ability to threaten deep and

918
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,919
Speaker 2: open things up, which is why like if we get

919
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 2: that man, Colson Lovelin could potentially take another step this

920
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 2: next year and opening things up underneath to be able

921
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 2: to take some of those safeties back and deeper in

922
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 2: cover too. So like Luthor Burden was the field stretching option,

923
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 2: but he was doing that out of the slot and

924
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 2: because of his deep speed. But if we move on,

925
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 2: if the Bears move on from DJ Moore and they

926
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 2: bring in I'm just thrown out a namelets a known

927
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 2: fields but like Darius Slayton, like they bring in that

928
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 2: type of architect where it's literally like, hey, buddy, you're

929
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 2: out there running cardio and you're not going to take

930
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 2: a ton of targets from us, then we could see

931
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 2: Luther Burton just absolutely go nuclear this next year because

932
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 2: all of the supporting statistics are there to signal that

933
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 2: Luthor Burden is just going to be a lead.

934
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 3: Crazy yards per hour run rate for him this past year.

935
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: Crazy people got a little angry at me on Twitter

936
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: for because I sent tweets out and I would update it.

937
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: You know, if his yards per out run compared to

938
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: other rookie yards per out run with a threshold of

939
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: you know, minimum threshold of you know, two hundred.

940
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 3: Routes or what have you.

941
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I will say, like there is something to

942
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: the fact that like he didn't have a full time

943
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: role like a Pukuna Kua did.

944
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 3: No but no one's no one's looking at him the

945
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 3: way that we looked at Pa after the rookie season.

946
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: You know, like it's to just say that he was

947
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: incredibly efficient when he was on the field per route

948
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,240
Speaker 1: run and if you do look at players that had

949
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: you know, like one hundred to three hundred routes run

950
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: more in that range, and you look at the players

951
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: who had you know, really high yards per out run rates,

952
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: you have some misses in there for sure, but you

953
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: have some hits also, Like there's you know, like Chris

954
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: Godwin types are in there. You know he was over that,

955
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 1: that Tue Mark or I think Randall Cobb, like there's

956
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: there's there's good players in there too. So it's not

957
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: just like, oh, this is only a volume related thing.

958
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 3: It's not that.

959
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: I mean Luther Burden balled out and and to me also,

960
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's a lot of us.

961
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 3: There's the concrete nature of what his ZAP score looked like.

962
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: For me, you know, entering the league, that makes me

963
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: feel more bullish too, because this isn't something that just

964
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: came out of nowhere, like he was a really good

965
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: prospect coming out, and I think that teams had maybe

966
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: a little hard time projecting him because he had a

967
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: weird role in college. You know, maybe they didn't like

968
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: his character as much, whatever the case may be. But

969
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: I think that he found the exact spot he needed

970
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: to find, especially with the the insane head coach that

971
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: they have there in Ben Johnson. So I think the

972
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: the connection there and the matching and the pairing makes

973
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: a lot of sense. You mentioned Abuka. I wrote up

974
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: his year two profile, and I was looking for players

975
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: in history who started as hot as he did, right,

976
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: because he had over twenty PPR points per game, like

977
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 1: after the first five weeks of the season, and then

978
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: from there he had like eight point.

979
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 3: Three PPR points per game.

980
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I tried to find players who dropped off

981
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: that significantly.

982
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 3: There's none, you can say, there's I started laughing because

983
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 3: I was like, there's no, you can't find one.

984
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: The only player that like is kind of close to

985
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: the problem is that he started just so hot but

986
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: he still stayed hot. Was like Nikua. Nikua dropped by

987
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,280
Speaker 1: I don't know the exact number is, but he dropped

988
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: by a relatively decent amount from like week five, Week

989
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: five to seven through the rest of the year, it's

990
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 1: still over like sixteen points per game. And right now,

991
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley is another one. Maybe you could look at

992
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: him and say he dropped off a little bit, but

993
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: at the same time, we're talking about players that are

994
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: good at the game and good in fantasy. So the

995
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: drop off to me isn't necessarily it's more just like

996
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 1: the just a weirdness. You know, if it would have

997
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: gone in reverse, we would be looking at an Amen

998
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: Rossain Brown type production situation where everyone would be insanely bullish.

999
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: Right now, he'd be top he'd be top five, Yeah, right, right,

1000
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: if it would have gone in the reverse. So yeah,

1001
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: I'm i'm, I'm I'm about at market with Abuka and

1002
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: then and then t Mac. You know, as you as

1003
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 1: you mentioned, I think that he's just like a safe

1004
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: bet at this point of being t Mac actually had

1005
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: there was a really crazy thing that I'd I looked at.

1006
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: I've been looking at first down share, so that the

1007
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: percentage of first downs that the receiver had in his

1008
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,240
Speaker 1: offense team max is at thirty two point four percent.

1009
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 1: That's the fourth highest mark of all wide receivers. In

1010
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: the year two model in the history that goes back

1011
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: to twenty eleven. The other three that are ahead of

1012
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: them Malik Neighbors, Odell Beckham, and Pukinakua. So there's a

1013
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: lot of like when you remove the situation a little

1014
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: bit from Teterero McMillan, there are his numbers are amazing.

1015
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 3: I mean his his rookie season really was special.

1016
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 2: It was really Yeah, it's the talent conversation for McMillan

1017
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 2: versus the situation.

1018
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 3: Yes, right, let's talk about Matthew Golden. You're nervous about Golden, right,

1019
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 3: we have to Yeah, right, right, I definitely am.

1020
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 2: I think it's all again it goes back to what

1021
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:48,720
Speaker 2: we talked about with Henderson.

1022
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 3: It's like it's all relative.

1023
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: This is you're not going to find many dynasty analysts

1024
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: or fantasy analysts that are like, yeah, Matthew Golden's still

1025
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 2: a top twenty wide receiver in Dynasty rank He's he's

1026
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 2: a wide receiver four and my rankings and wide receiver

1027
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 2: forty eight in ECR. So I'm actually higher than ECR

1028
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 2: on Matthew Golden that I want no part of him.

1029
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: I think the missing part is it's not necessarily only

1030
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 2: about like the talent level, but it's it's the offense

1031
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 2: and it's just how many mouths there are to feed

1032
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 2: in here? And this has been the conversation for how

1033
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 2: long now, where you've got Tuckerkraft and Luke Muskrave, then

1034
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 2: you've got Romeo Dobbs and Christian Watson and it just

1035
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 2: keeps going. And then the players out of the backfield,

1036
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 2: it's like, how clear of a path is there for

1037
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 2: this player to truly ascend? And that was kind of

1038
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 2: like why I didn't love Matthew Golden landing with green

1039
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 2: Bay last year, even though the draft capital was there

1040
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 2: and the tape was good. It's like, Okay, well, how

1041
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 2: he's got to dominate the target share? And I just

1042
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 2: don't see that happening because, again, the offensive structure and

1043
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 2: the role says we are the scheme says we need

1044
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 2: to find the players that fit these roles, and you've

1045
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 2: got Romeo Dobbs who feels a very very valuable role

1046
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 2: in that offense. Can Golden step into that next year, maybe,

1047
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,919
Speaker 2: but that's not going to be a twenty percent plus

1048
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 2: target share.

1049
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1050
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: There's a couple of things with Golden too, where like,

1051
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: I try my best to not just look at the

1052
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: individual season or the six or seven games for these

1053
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: for these players where something good or bad might have happened,

1054
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: I want to see what that looked like leading up

1055
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: to That's why I have journey comparables, where it looks

1056
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 1: at a player's zapp score and then their year two

1057
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 1: score and finds players historically that shared a similar journeyism.

1058
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: So they look the same as prospects entering the league,

1059
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: and then they look the same exiting year one, right,

1060
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: so it's a larger sample.

1061
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 3: It's like a story about this player.

1062
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: And if a player is bad and bad again, then

1063
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: they're probably not that good, you know.

1064
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 3: Or if a player is good and.

1065
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: Then bad, and then you're like, well, you know, you

1066
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: can at least tell the story a little bit. With

1067
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: Matthew Golden, like the model had some really real concerns

1068
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 1: with him and his year two comparables right now, his

1069
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: journey comps are justin Hunter, kJ Hammler and ADENI Mitchell

1070
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: at this point, and so it's it's.

1071
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 3: Not looking great for Matthew Golden.

1072
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: And I also think, and didynasty I think to myself

1073
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 1: when I'm about to make a move is this guy

1074
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: gonna burn me?

1075
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 3: You know?

1076
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: Is this really gonna Could I see Matthew Golden being

1077
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: a wide receiver two in fantasy in over the next

1078
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: three years, Maybe I think that a more likely seiling outcomes,

1079
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: like a wide receiver three type. But even if he

1080
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: is that wide receiver too, you're probably not going to

1081
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: feel so so burned in that instance, you know, And

1082
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: so it's a lot easier to kind of kind of

1083
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: move on. Yeah, Well, the tough part is, like, who

1084
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: are you selling Matthew gold at this point?

1085
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 3: You need to find the truther in your lig right

1086
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 3: and good luck.

1087
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 2: Like I at this point, you're kind of just holding

1088
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 2: like you're really just riding the wave for spending a

1089
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,399
Speaker 2: late first round pick on him or early second round

1090
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 2: pick last year when you could have gone some different directions.

1091
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 2: You're at this point in Dynasty, and it's the same

1092
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 2: way Travis Hunter. In my opinion, it's like you're just

1093
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 2: kind of riding the wave because otherwise you are just

1094
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 2: completely taking that pick and lighting it on fire by

1095
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 2: selling it away.

1096
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: What about Colston Loveland versus Tyler Warren, I'm assuming based

1097
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: on what you said about Burden and Loveland, you're on

1098
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: the Loveland side, but is it strongly on the Loveland side.

1099
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 2: There's a very big gap in rankings. Honestly, No, it's

1100
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 2: just kidding. It's Loveland at Titan three and Dynasty and

1101
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 2: Warren at tight end four, So there's not a big gap. Yere.

1102
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 2: I think, what again in fantasy and you know this,

1103
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: like we have a strong sense of recency bias, so

1104
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 2: whatever just most recently happened is going to affect the

1105
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 2: way that we view a player. So again we talked

1106
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 2: about it with like, if Egbuka had gone the other way,

1107
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 2: then we would have him in wideer sea like top

1108
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 2: five and Dynasty rankings. Now he's wide receiver sixteen. Loveland

1109
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 2: very very strong end of the year. We saw him

1110
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 2: on the national stage in the playoffs. Warren had a

1111
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 2: really solid start to the year and then things kind

1112
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 2: of you know, flickered out from there. So that I

1113
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 2: don't want to overreact to that. These are both very

1114
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 2: very solid Dynasty assets moving forward. It was a phenomenal

1115
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 2: class and both should be in the top five.

1116
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: What about like, do you think that there's a case

1117
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: to be made that Harold Fandon should be ranked ahead

1118
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: of Tyler Warren talent level.

1119
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 2: I think it's in the conversation, but the situations not

1120
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 2: Like you tell me, I can have Daniel Jones.

1121
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 3: Which again sounds crazy to even be saying the sentence.

1122
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 2: Out loud, but like Daniel Jones as the quarterback attached

1123
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:16,959
Speaker 2: to Tyler Warren or Deshaun Watson or Shador Sanders, Like, yeah,

1124
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 2: I'll go with I'll go with Daniel Jones in that situation. So, yeah,

1125
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 2: could that change in twenty twenty seven if they, you know,

1126
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 2: massively upgrade the position.

1127
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 3: Sure, but I just don't I don't see that happening

1128
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 3: anytime soon.

1129
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully, I mean hopefully Dimes is good, you know,

1130
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: and that that Achilles is not right.

1131
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 2: Right, there's it's not like it's a super clean situation

1132
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 2: to come back from. But yeah, I would still go

1133
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones over to Shahn Watsons.

1134
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: I've been, I've been, I've been toying with the idea,

1135
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 1: like like there's some there's some part of me that

1136
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: might end up having Fannin ahead of Warren from a

1137
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 1: dynasty perspective, because I think like both players are interesting

1138
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 1: because they're both really versatile in the way that they

1139
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: they're like their alignment and stuff, right, Like Colston Lovelin

1140
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: is more of the traditional athletic freak who can who can? Uh,

1141
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: you know, the Travis Kelsey type things and have like

1142
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 1: higher A dot looks, you know, like he his A

1143
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: dot was like four yards higher than Tyler Warren's last year,

1144
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: you know. Yes, so he can get down the field more,

1145
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 1: he can create those big plays and that's gonna be

1146
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: I mean, he's gonna be phenomenal in fantasy moving forward.

1147
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: The Tyler Warren and Harold Fannon stuff, there is more

1148
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: of that alignment of like I mean, Fannin's lined up

1149
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: in the backfield frequently and Tyler Warren you'll see that too,

1150
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,399
Speaker 1: And then you get those like lower ad dot look

1151
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: those cheaper looks, and we saw that with Harold Fannon

1152
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 1: down the stretch. We're het a thirty one percent target

1153
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 1: sher over the final five games.

1154
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:32,959
Speaker 3: Of his season because he did get hurt.

1155
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, like part of me is like

1156
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: trying to think through that situation and being like, what

1157
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 1: is the true delta here?

1158
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 3: And should I be buying into that delta so much?

1159
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: When again, Tyler Warren's an older prospect, you know, like

1160
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: he is a couple years older than these guys, and

1161
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: so that's that's at least like going through my head

1162
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: right now, is just to what I considering.

1163
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 2: I think it's fair, right, Like Colson Loveland, you need

1164
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 2: a quarterback like Kayleb Williams to truly unlock him with

1165
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 2: the role that he occupies in the offense versus it

1166
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 2: really doesn't matter who's throwing the ball to Harold Channon

1167
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 2: or Tyler Warren because they're two yards away from the

1168
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage or three yards behind the line of scrimmage. Like,

1169
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 2: if you're playing NFL quarterback, you should be able to

1170
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 2: get the ball into their hands and let them create

1171
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 2: off the catch, which which they're both so good at.

1172
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, there is some some stuff up

1173
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: in the air too, because we don't know exactly what

1174
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: fans deployment's going to look like and such with Todd

1175
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 1: Munkin there. I mean, I'm bullish because Munkin's been pretty

1176
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: tight unfriendly in the past, but yeah, I mean there's

1177
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:26,959
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff going on there.

1178
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 3: I have months to think about this.

1179
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,720
Speaker 1: Two quick questions because I haven't even talked prospects yet

1180
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,720
Speaker 1: on this feed. In this feed and on this show,

1181
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: you've done a little bit of prospecting work. I finally

1182
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: have it all in the database, and I'm starting to

1183
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,439
Speaker 1: dig in, and I do know you know the top

1184
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: guys and what the.

1185
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:44,720
Speaker 3: Models saying about the top guys. So I'm curious.

1186
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: So we have this like big three, a wide receiver

1187
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: of Jordan Tyson, McKay Lemon, and Carnel Tait. Yep, how

1188
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: do you rank these guys and what do you see

1189
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 1: out of those three players.

1190
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 2: Carnal Tate wide receiver out Ohio State, six foot three,

1191
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety five pounds, like has this size

1192
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 2: to be a true prototypical X receiver at the next level,

1193
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 2: but also is not just like a contested catch kind

1194
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 2: of like he can do it, but he has incredible speed, acceleration, moveability,

1195
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 2: can make some just crazy catches outside of his frame.

1196
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 2: Just a very very natural receiver. So his projection to

1197
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 2: the next level is actually pretty easy, and I think

1198
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:21,959
Speaker 2: he's going to get very very.

1199
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 3: High draft capital.

1200
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 2: Jordan Tyson six foot two hundred pounds Off the top of

1201
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:28,720
Speaker 2: my head, at least what he's listed.

1202
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 3: We'll see what he comes in at.

1203
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 2: The combine, but I think his role he has alignment versatility.

1204
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 2: He can go anywhere on the field and play and

1205
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 2: make an impact. Again, a very natural receiver can make

1206
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 2: some big plays. I would really love to see him

1207
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 2: utilized heavily out of the slot. With his ability for

1208
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 2: quick twitch at his size is actually pretty special.

1209
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:49,959
Speaker 3: That stood out to me on tape.

1210
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 2: And I'm at the point right now in my prospect

1211
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 2: evaluation where I'm going through and doing film evaluation and

1212
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 2: then I'll go into a stage of advanced statistics to

1213
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,280
Speaker 2: be able to kind of look back and say, Okay,

1214
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 2: did what I see on tape? Did that get validated

1215
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 2: with those stats or do I need to go back

1216
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 2: and take another look. And then injury history in NFL

1217
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 2: combine testing and all that. Makai Lemon wide receiver out

1218
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 2: of USC is just pure electricity. Man. This guy his

1219
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 2: top end speed, He's going to run in the four

1220
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,399
Speaker 2: threes of the combine. His ability to threaten deep is

1221
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 2: just insane. But he also has the ability to move

1222
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 2: into the slot and be a refined route runner out

1223
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 2: of the slot as well and create separation very very easily.

1224
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 2: So he's someone where I worry a little bit about

1225
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 2: the deployment and what he could be. He's got a

1226
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 2: land with the right NFL offensive coordinator because teams could

1227
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 2: look at his deep threat ability and say, we need

1228
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 2: that for our offense, and buddy, you're going to run

1229
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 2: go routes and post routes all game long. And that

1230
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 2: could very, very limit what he could do from a

1231
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 2: fantasy standpoint. But if he lands with the right offense,

1232
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 2: like how Mike McDaniel utilized Tyreek Hill free releases, getting

1233
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 2: him in motion, you know, pre snap and letting him

1234
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 2: run like that is the ideal deployment for Makay Lemon.

1235
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 3: So I would put Taate then Tyson than Lemon.

1236
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 2: But those are all guys that if you want to

1237
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 2: put them into one tier, and I think there's another

1238
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 2: name that belongs in that tier based on my film

1239
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 2: study right now. But if you want to put all

1240
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 2: those guys into one tier and shuffle them around.

1241
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 3: I don't have any issue with that. Who's the fourth

1242
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 3: that you would throw in that tier?

1243
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 2: Based on film study right now, Casey conception On from

1244
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 2: Texas A and m yep guys insane. His separation ability

1245
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:32,399
Speaker 2: is I absolutely love it. Like the Notre Dame game,

1246
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 2: I just watched This All twenty two just the other

1247
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 2: day on Notre Dame and that's Teach tape Man and

1248
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 2: his It's so frustrating because his quarterback play. There are

1249
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 2: so many times in that game where you're like, he

1250
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 2: could have had two hundred to three hundred yards in

1251
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 2: his quarterback. He's wide open routinely the entire game, and

1252
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 2: his quarterback just could not make the throw to be

1253
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 2: able to put it on him or anywhere near him

1254
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,800
Speaker 2: in fact. So he's one that I'm watching pretty closely

1255
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 2: and I'm going to be high than consensus on him

1256
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:01,479
Speaker 2: for sure.

1257
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1258
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: That so, although the Big three the model likes a lot,

1259
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 1: they're all in the elite produce well two of them

1260
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,320
Speaker 1: are in the Elite producer category. This is a spoiler

1261
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: alert for people. The first time I'm even saying this

1262
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,439
Speaker 1: out loud to anyone outside of David Kitchen and Brandon

1263
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: Godula who work for Late Round Fantasy Football. Jordan Tyson

1264
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: is a is right now today. There's stuff that can change.

1265
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: Listed as a legendary performer. His his age adjusted production

1266
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:28,919
Speaker 1: profile is out of this world, Like.

1267
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 3: It's crazy because his stats from this past year are not.

1268
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, elite, it'll it'll look at So I think it's

1269
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: the year after his because he what is his sophomore

1270
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 1: year where he was was banged up and didn't like

1271
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: play and didn't didn't accumulate anything. It's it's similar to

1272
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: what we saw with like a Luther Burden. It's what

1273
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 1: we've seen with like a Jackson Smith and Jigba. We've

1274
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: seen this in the past with players where their junior

1275
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: season they have unbelievable because because breakout scores, what drives

1276
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 1: the production stuff within the model and breakout score is

1277
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: as a schedule and age adjusted yards per team pass

1278
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: attempt metric that I created and as a player scales

1279
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: up in yards per team pass attempt, if he's doing that,

1280
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,919
Speaker 1: especially at a really reasonable age, he's gonna look better

1281
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 1: in breakout score. So hypothetically, like a senior could have

1282
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: a really good season and if that's the one season

1283
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: where like he could still have an okay enough breakout

1284
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: score because it was that big of a season. Now,

1285
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 1: fortunately it didn't like Xavier le Get that much, even

1286
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,240
Speaker 1: though that happened with him, So like, it's not weighing

1287
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: that too too much. But yeah, his age aj justin

1288
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: production because of that season and because I mean, the

1289
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: whole body work still isn't bad even outside of that season,

1290
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: but it just looks really really good in the spreadsheets

1291
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: right now.

1292
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 3: But like I said, I'm in the very very beginning stages.

1293
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: I'm trying to finish up the year two models or

1294
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 1: Year two profiles for the Prospect Guide. But I would

1295
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 1: be shocked if Jordan Tyson is not the models wide

1296
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: receiver one. I know that that injury history and such

1297
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: is one of the big question marks with him, so

1298
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to take that with a grain assault.

1299
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 2: But the model really really likes Tyson. The film backs

1300
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 2: up man, he's a really good prospect.

1301
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 1: And then the last, the the other one at running back,

1302
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,399
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Love. He's getting a lot of love, if you will,

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Speaker 1: as the obvious top back in this class.

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Speaker 3: Do you see that?

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Speaker 1: And then like, how do you see him stacking up

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Speaker 1: against other elite backs that we've seen recently? And then

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Speaker 1: are there any other backs that you really like from

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Speaker 1: this class that you've looked at? Yeah, so he's Jeremiah

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Speaker 1: Love running back out of Notre Dame. He's six foot,

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Speaker 1: two hundred and fourteen pounds, so brings a ton of

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Speaker 1: size to the position. It doesn't necessarily play the way

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Speaker 1: that you would.

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Speaker 2: Think a six foot two hundred and fourteen pound running

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Speaker 2: back would play, Like you would think that that is

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Speaker 2: just an absolute hammer coming downhill. He certainly can lower

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Speaker 2: his shoulders and drive through contact and has that ability.

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Speaker 2: But his best skill set, he's one of the best

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Speaker 2: receiving backs that I've scouted. Like his ability as a

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Speaker 2: receiver and just his natural receiving ability is absolutely insane.

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Speaker 3: Like I actually think.

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Speaker 2: There's a world if we could go back to when

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Speaker 2: he first came into college, where if a coach had

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Speaker 2: told him I actually want you to go and be

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Speaker 2: a wide receiver, that he could have been an absolutely

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Speaker 2: spectacular and phenomenal one there.

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Speaker 3: He's a good running back.

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Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, I do not think that he

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Speaker 2: should be in the conversation of being billed as this

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Speaker 2: next elite running back. He's the clear running back one

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Speaker 2: in this class, because this class is not great outside

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Speaker 2: of him. But when I'm doing these exercises, I want

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Speaker 2: to kind of put it and I'm happy that you

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Speaker 2: phrased it this way, like I had actually done the

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Speaker 2: exercise of if I want to look back over the

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Speaker 2: last three years to kind of put it into context

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Speaker 2: for people, like where would he go in conjunction with

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Speaker 2: these other running backs, Like over the past few draft classes,

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Speaker 2: we've had Ashton genty and this is as a prospect, right,

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Speaker 2: this is not knowing what we know now. So Ashton

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Speaker 2: Genty in the twenty twenty five class, Marrionhampton, Trebion Henderson,

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Speaker 2: then in twenty twenty four you go back to Jonathan Brooks.

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Speaker 2: Feels like an absolute lifetime ago that he came out

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Speaker 2: of college. Then Bjeon Robinson, Jamier Gibbs, and Zach Sharboney

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three. So if I were to go

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Speaker 2: through and Jeremiah Love as a prospect within those players,

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Speaker 2: Bijon Robinson's the clear number one for me, Ashton Gents

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Speaker 2: would have been right behind him. Then I'd go to

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Speaker 2: Jamir Gibbs as a prospect, Amaran Hampton, and then I

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Speaker 2: would put Jeremiah Love above Trayvon Henderson, Zach Sharboney and

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Brooks. So if that kind of makes sense to

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Speaker 2: put him into I don't think that he's a slam

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00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 2: dunk one oh one selection. He's ranked lower from me

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00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 2: than Carnel Tate, Jordan Tyson and Mackay Lemon and Casey

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Speaker 2: conception on right now from a film standpoint, I know

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Speaker 2: that that will not be industry consensus, but that's kind

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Speaker 2: of the way that I see them right now.

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Speaker 3: So it loves a good running back.

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Speaker 2: He's a good prospect, but there's a potential that he's

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Speaker 2: miscast based on the type of skill set that he

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Speaker 2: has versus the body type that he has.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so while you were saying that, you know, I

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Speaker 1: was obviously listening, but I was pulling up the model

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Speaker 1: on a separate screen because I was curious where if

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Speaker 1: I so, right now, I have him assumed at like

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Speaker 1: top like TENNISH overall pick draft capital that it's just

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Speaker 1: based on the NFL mock draft database. But if I

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Speaker 1: look back the last three years, the players with higher

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Speaker 1: scores than him, Jamiir Gibbs, Ashon Gent, Bijon Robinson, Amari

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Speaker 1: and Hampton, those four guys, yeah, all all look better

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Speaker 1: than him. And then you know, right below likes he's

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Speaker 1: in the elite producer category, still looks good. But a

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Speaker 1: guy like Bijon, Jamiir Gibbs, and Ashon Gent were legendary

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Speaker 1: performer category, and he's you know, he's just seemingly not

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Speaker 1: quite there. It doesn't mean that he's bad, but I

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Speaker 1: have seen sort of like that, you know, stance that

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Speaker 1: he is. He is that that good. I can't wait

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01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 1: to watch more of them and see what he's all about.

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Speaker 1: But that's where things are at for me right now. Yep,

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Speaker 1: all right, last question before I let you go. I

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Speaker 1: always ask for a hot take in season when I

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Speaker 1: do perspectives. But we're now out of the season, So

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Speaker 1: give me a hot take for this NFL offseason. It

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Speaker 1: could be draft related, it could be free agency related,

1384
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 1: it could be even twenty twenty six related, like season,

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Speaker 1: Why whatever you want, just give me a hot take.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait for this to blow up in my face.

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Speaker 3: Let's go.

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Speaker 2: So Tyler Algier will be a weekly starter in fantasy

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Speaker 2: football in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I like that.

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Speaker 2: I think him going into free agency, I think he's

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Speaker 2: going to be one of the players that gets a

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Speaker 2: little bit more money than we were expecting. We saw

1394
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 2: obviously really good things from him early on in his career.

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Speaker 2: Then you get Bijon coming into town, and he obviously

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01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 2: takes a back seat, but he fills a very, very

1397
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Speaker 2: valuable role for an NFL offense and I think for

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Speaker 2: him to land in I mentioned it earlier on in

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Speaker 2: the show, but like Denver to be the thunder to

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Speaker 2: Rgie Harvey's lightning there or even Chicago if they wanted

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Speaker 2: to upgrade over Kyle Manungai, which I don't think he

1402
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 2: was good, but don't get me wrong, but his draft

1403
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 2: capital I think won't prohibit them from taking a look

1404
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Speaker 2: at someone like Algier to be alongside Deander Swift this

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01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 2: next year. Like, there's a ton of situations where I

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01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 2: could see Algier landing in where he could be the

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Speaker 2: RB one in that backfield pretty quickly. So he is

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Speaker 2: someone that is a buy for me right now in

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Speaker 2: Dynasty because I don't think the majority of people even.

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Speaker 3: Know that he's actually hitting free agency.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and if it's a weaker draft class, then then

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Speaker 1: teams are gonna know that going in, you know, and

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Speaker 1: and go after that running back.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: This was great, It was great to catch up with you.

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Speaker 1: It was great to hear your fantasy takes again. Let

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Speaker 1: every know what you're working on, where they can find

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Speaker 1: you all that good stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 2: So like I said at the beginning, like I'm doing

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Speaker 2: this for the love of the game. This is not

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Speaker 2: because I'm trying to support my family or anything like that.

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01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 2: So I'm all my contents free and it's really just

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Speaker 2: kind of as I have the ability to do it.

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Speaker 3: So YouTube channel is Kylie Yates.

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Speaker 2: Dynasty Fantasy Football, so make sure to go and look

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Speaker 2: that up and then over on Twitter at Kya y NFL. No,

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Speaker 2: I've got a free sub stack as well at Kya

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Speaker 2: y NFL. You're gonna find me on any social media platform.

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Speaker 2: Just search Kyle y NFL and I'll come up there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I also want to shout out you. You

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Speaker 1: document a lot of the stuff that you're doing with

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Speaker 1: your daughter and it's it's it's great to see it's

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01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 1: from from one dad to another.

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01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 3: I just love seeing the dad content out there.

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Speaker 1: And uh, you know you you really playing the role

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Speaker 1: well you know her, So it's really really awesome to

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Speaker 1: see that content as well.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate them.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course you can find all my stuff over

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01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: on lateround dot com. Make sure you're following me on

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Speaker 1: social Twitter, Blue Sky at late Round QB.

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Speaker 3: Hope you guys like another Perspective episode.

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Speaker 1: This is the first Perspectives episodes since the end of

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01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 1: the season, so we'll be doing these every other week

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Speaker 1: on Fridays.

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Speaker 3: I don't even know who the next guest is.

1449
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 1: Actually, actually I do know who the next guest is,

1450
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 1: but we'll see what happens this offseason with the Perspective show.

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01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 1: But every other Friday we'll get Perspectives, and then in

1452
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 1: between that you will get the Mailbag episode. But otherwise

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Speaker 1: everyone as usual.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for tuning in.