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Speaker 1: Welcome to Securing America with me, Frank Affney. The program

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Speaker 1: that's a well an owner's manual for protecting the country

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Speaker 1: we love against all enemies, foreign and domestic, to the

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Speaker 1: glory of God and his Kingdom. We have with us.

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Speaker 1: I'm very pleased to say a man we have come

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Speaker 1: to describe as the duty genius here at Securing America.

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Speaker 1: His name is George Raceley, and we're going to pick

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Speaker 1: his brains on two subjects of considerable importance, both in

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Speaker 1: terms of our enemies and the foreign and domestic component.

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Speaker 1: And so that let me just give you a little

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Speaker 1: context on the first of the two topics. Two years ago,

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Speaker 1: the Gaza franchise of the terrorist organization known as the

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Speaker 1: Muslim Brotherhood perpetrated the most horrific act of jihad since

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Speaker 1: nine to eleven, beheading, raping, and murdering twelve hundred Israeli babies,

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Speaker 1: women and men. The Biden Harris administration responded with rhetorical sympathy,

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Speaker 1: intermittent support, and a diplomatic and political campaign to save

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Speaker 1: Hamas and its allies from Israel's retaliation and to topple

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Speaker 1: Benjamin Netaniehu. Today, Egypt is hosting negotiations on a ceasefire

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Speaker 1: deal strikingly similar to one drawn up by Kamala Harris's

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Speaker 1: national security advisor, Philip Gordon. As a practical matter, it

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Speaker 1: would ensure the survival of Hamas, preclude Israeli annexation of

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Speaker 1: Judaea and Samaria, conduced to a g hottest Palestinian state

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Speaker 1: in Gaza, and likely result in nettagne Who's electoral defeat.

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Speaker 1: That's a formula for more endless war, not what it

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Speaker 1: is required to prevent it, namely Israel's decisive victory over

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Speaker 1: her enemies and ours. Let's talk to George Racy about this.

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Speaker 1: George is the managing editor of terrific online resource Richard

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Speaker 1: Vigori's Conservative HQ. You can follow his work there at

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Speaker 1: Conservative hq dot com. I strongly encourage you to do so.

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Speaker 1: George is a man of very considerable experience in government,

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Speaker 1: both in the legislative and executive branches, including time on

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Speaker 1: the office of the Vice President of the United States.

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Speaker 1: He is, in addition to all of that, a MENSA

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Speaker 1: member and very important member of the leadership of the

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Speaker 1: conservative movement. We're always delighted to catch up with him,

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Speaker 1: our duty genius, George, welcome back, my friend.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Frank. As always, I'll try and live up

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Speaker 2: to that build.

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Speaker 1: Up, no sweat, you do it endlessly. Let me start,

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Speaker 1: George by just asking you this question. It seems as though,

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Speaker 1: as I indicated in that commentary, what we're about now

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Speaker 1: bears an uncanny resemblance to what Joe Biden and Kamala

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Speaker 1: Harris were about. And I'm very concerned that the effect

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Speaker 1: of this is not going to be a piece in

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Speaker 1: but possibly as I say, that endless war.

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Speaker 2: What are your thoughts, well, Frank, our government and it

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Speaker 2: seems no matter who is president is infected with this

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Speaker 2: you know, definition of insanity problem. We keep doing the

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Speaker 2: same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

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Speaker 2: And what we are what we are doing over and

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Speaker 2: over again, is not decisively defeating our jie hottiest enemies.

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Speaker 2: And there's a phony sort of idea circulating in high

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Speaker 2: and it's that is a complete one and eighty degree

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Speaker 2: opposite of what the reality is, which is this war

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Speaker 2: about defending Western civilization from the growing jihadi movement, and

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Speaker 2: Israel just sort of happens to be in the way,

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Speaker 2: if you will, between them and you know, US and

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Speaker 2: Western civilization more broadly. And it's very disappointing to see

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Speaker 2: what we have going on right now in Egypt, and

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Speaker 2: you know, God blessed Donald Trump for his humanity in

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Speaker 2: wanting to get the hostages back to their families and

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Speaker 2: And so the best that's going to come out of

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Speaker 2: the negotiators leave Egypt, and if they do so proclaiming

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Speaker 2: and they've said that. In fact, I've got an article

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Speaker 2: it just drives from the point that Hamas has war aims,

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Speaker 2: a little. Well, there's no giving to their ultimate war aim,

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Speaker 1: And George, I mean, I appreciate your clarity on this

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Speaker 1: so much. It's it's one of these things where we're

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Speaker 1: to do that. And dittoh, the Iranians and the Kataris

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Speaker 1: and and you know the Sharia supremacist enterprise globally that's

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Speaker 1: so called global Islamic movement. So I'm just so frustrated,

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Speaker 1: a temporary pause to regroup and rearm and then go

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Speaker 1: is endlessly playing out. Talk about an endless war. For

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Speaker 1: fourteen hundred years, we've watched this playing out. So, George,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, because you've got your finger

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Speaker 1: you know grand politics and strategy, there seems to be

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Speaker 1: an increasingly fratricidal division between people on the right with

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Speaker 1: respect to Israel. What are we to make of that?

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Speaker 2: Sir Well, I will forbear speculating on any economic incentives

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Speaker 1: Notwithstanding the presence of kutar in a big way and

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Speaker 1: it's openmination.

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Speaker 2: But I'm afraid that it shows a complete lack of

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Speaker 2: some of our friends who don't see this big picture

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Speaker 2: and they're looking at, you know, the next six months

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Speaker 2: they see, oh, you know, we're spending all this money

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Speaker 2: we're doing this, We're doing that to support Israel, when

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Speaker 2: in fact we're doing it to defend Western civilization.

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Speaker 1: All this thought, Georgia, couldn't be more important. We'll be

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Speaker 1: right back Folk Street too. We're back so as George Raceley,

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Speaker 1: Praise the Lord. We are talking with George about the

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Speaker 1: Middle East, and most immediately the fact that we seem

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Speaker 1: to be pursuing policies that well are uninformed by a

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Speaker 1: lot of history, hard history at that, to say nothing

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Speaker 1: of seemingly resembling, unsettlingly the policies of the Biden Harris team.

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Speaker 1: But Georgie, you were making a point about the conservative movement,

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Speaker 2: Well? Just to kind of wrap this up, I mean,

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Speaker 2: the map tomorrow, we'd be next. And so again this

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Speaker 2: is a lack of understanding of history, understanding of the

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Speaker 1: And particularly understanding that whether it's literally that they would

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Speaker 1: view or not, absolutely it can't help but inspire greater

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Speaker 1: aggressiveness on the part of these guys. And they're not

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Speaker 1: We don't want these guys being any more in bolden

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Speaker 1: than they already are. George, let me pivot quickly because

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Speaker 1: You have branded it properly as Red China. There seems

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Speaker 1: a view to not just the kind of unrestricted warfare

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Speaker 1: that we've been warning about for years now with our

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, as I survey what's been going on

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Speaker 2: a growing activity by Communist China, Red China to prepare

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Speaker 2: the battlefield here within the United States, and we can

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Speaker 2: can send messages to the tune of thirty million a minute.

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Speaker 2: There were something like three hundred thousand of these identified

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Speaker 1: Quite frankly, and as I recall, the President of the

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Speaker 2: Around when this was discovered, and in fact, one of

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Speaker 1: And the Secret Service was therefore involved in trying to

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Speaker 2: We have the one hundred thousand at least military age

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Speaker 2: Chinese nationals who have entered the country, mostly in that

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Speaker 2: count are illegal entries. There are thousands more who came

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Speaker 2: and quote researchers, end of quote. There are actually spies

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Speaker 1: We have the ongoing Georgia Before you leave that, it's

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Speaker 1: is these guys are actually military personnel, and maybe they're

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Speaker 1: stashed in the universities or in growhouses or heavens knows

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And of course they have nodes or rally points

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Speaker 2: also they're they're centrally located near our military industrial complexes

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Speaker 1: Political installations and everything else. Who knows where they are.

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Speaker 2: And of course the you know, we already have the

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Speaker 2: bioweapons attack against US through COVID, we have the ongoing

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Speaker 2: chemical weapons attack through fentanyl. And there's now an even

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Speaker 2: more powerful opioid that Narkhan doesn't touch that's begun flowing

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Speaker 2: into the United States, and of.

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Speaker 1: Course from from China, George, from Red China.

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Speaker 2: It's clearly a weapon.

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Speaker 1: And the bottom line, George, is I think in each

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Speaker 1: He is the executive director of Hearts of Oak, terrifectly

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Speaker 1: important British think tank in the United Kingdom, in which

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Speaker 1: We're always delighted to talk to Peter for that purpose.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, my friend. It's good to have you with us.

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Speaker 3: Good to chat Frank always.

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Speaker 1: And what's important to our audience, of course, is not

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Speaker 3: Would well, on Boris Johnson. I remember campaigning for him

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Speaker 1: Well, I want to drill down on this point about

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Speaker 1: from the Great British Isles. We always appreciate our visits

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Speaker 1: was Tony Blair, and I vividly remember that a fellow

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Speaker 1: who worked for Tony Blair actually made a public admission

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Speaker 1: as to the impetus behind his opening of the doors,

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Speaker 1: if you will, to the British Isles to immigrants, largely,

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Speaker 1: not exclusively, but largely from South Asia. As I recall,

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Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about that, Peter, if you would.

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, one of his aids let the cat out

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Speaker 3: of the bag, basically admitted to the reason why they

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Speaker 3: wanted mass immigration, and that was to change the voter block.

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Speaker 3: I think in a similar way to you have in

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Speaker 3: the US with the Democrats, they've tried to open the

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Speaker 3: borders to change the balance of power, to change the

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Speaker 3: voter blocks and give the right to vote to all

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Speaker 3: those illegals that have come in. So we share the

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Speaker 3: same horrendous situation in terms off the left. Sadly, why

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Speaker 3: in the UK have continued that on the so called right.

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Speaker 3: But when Tony Blair came in nineteen ninety seven. It

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Speaker 3: was a wave of euphoria. It was on a tired

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Speaker 3: Conservative government that had Morgaret Thatcher, but then it moved

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Speaker 3: over to John Major, who was an awful leader. And

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Speaker 3: therefore Tony Blair came in this wave of euphoria on

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Speaker 3: Britain regaining their place in the world. It was excitement,

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Speaker 3: it was enthusiasm, it was vision and many people bought

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Speaker 3: into it. I co't metervide it, but anyway, that's another conversation.

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Speaker 3: So with the British people bought into with a landslide

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Speaker 3: result in nineteen ninety seven, and you're right, that message

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Speaker 3: from one of Tony Blair's aids shows the reason why

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Speaker 3: Tony bar opened the draw bridge to mass immigration. And

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Speaker 3: up to that point, up until the mid nineties, we

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Speaker 3: had it was thirty forty thousand in terms of net

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Speaker 3: migration that we could cope with that, in terms of schooling,

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Speaker 3: in terms of transport, in terms of health, in terms

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Speaker 3: of all the institutions we have, and you're facing the

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Speaker 3: same struggle. And then those gates were opened, and that

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Speaker 3: was Tony Blair that opened and we went from the

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Speaker 3: forty fifty thousand, we went to two three four hundred

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Speaker 3: thousand over that labor government. So that was Tony Blair

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Speaker 3: and then under Boris Johnson, another so called conservative that

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Speaker 3: was ramped up. But it was Tony Blair that opened

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Speaker 3: the floodgates and changed the demographic ship off the UK.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the implications of that, as we talk about

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Speaker 1: with you each week, basically have been profound and traumatic.

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Speaker 1: And some say, Peter and I think you've been heard

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Speaker 1: on the subject too, but you might speak to it

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Speaker 1: that it appears with millions of Britons turning out the

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Speaker 1: other day in opposition basically to all of this in

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Speaker 1: London particularly, but elsewhere I think as well, the conditions

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Speaker 1: may be inexorably leading towards a kind of civil strife

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Speaker 1: in Britain between these predominantly Sharia inculcated, if not Sharia

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Speaker 1: supremacist Muslims and the native population. Is that where Tony

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Speaker 1: Blair's legacy is likely to lie, do you think well?

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Speaker 3: Tony Blair used to tell us that he read the

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Speaker 3: Koran as he went to bed for comfort. I'm not

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Speaker 3: sure what version of the Kuran you can read in

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Speaker 3: Frank you do this, I know there is no comfort

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Speaker 3: in the Qoran it's it messes with your mind. It's

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Speaker 3: utterly chaotic for a start, it's it's not already a

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Speaker 3: book that you could read step by step, but all

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Speaker 3: the background of the spread of Islam. So I'm not

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Speaker 3: sure what part of that found him comfort or give

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Speaker 3: him comfort unless you're some unless you're some psychopath that

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Speaker 3: actually enjoys that chaos that that brings. So that's the

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Speaker 3: individual we have that instead of reaching for the Bible,

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Speaker 3: instead of reaching for the teachings of Jesus that you

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Speaker 3: should do under others as you do to yourself, he

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Speaker 3: reached for the Qoran. That does not make sense and

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Speaker 3: that really rang alarm bells to a lot off the UK.

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Speaker 3: That is Tony Blair's legacy in opening doors a massive immigration,

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Speaker 3: but opening the doors of the Islamization of the UK

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Speaker 3: that we have had in terms of the Muslim population

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Speaker 3: going up ten times faster than the national population, in

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Speaker 3: terms of Sharia courts coming with the Muslim Arbitration Tribune, realact,

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Speaker 3: in terms of halal being across with many schools. I

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Speaker 3: know many of my local schools have only halal because

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Speaker 3: it's easier to have just a halal supplier because they

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Speaker 3: don't want legal action. They do want the publicity of

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Speaker 3: mixing halala with non halal, so they focus for halal. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so a lot of that opened the doors off that

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Speaker 3: that was a lot under Tony Blair's time, that the

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Speaker 3: multicultural agenda that opened the doors to an entity, a

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Speaker 3: belief system that didn't fit with the values that we

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Speaker 3: had in the UK. That really is Tony Blair's legacy

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Speaker 3: is not just immigration, but I think it's the Islamia

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Speaker 3: the way have had in the UK. I know your

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Speaker 3: viewers will share that concern.

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Speaker 1: And that because it's coming here is the door of.

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Speaker 3: The US, unless.

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Speaker 1: Well, I would argue inside the doors here the drawbridge

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Speaker 1: analogy to mind as well, it's been opened. We now

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Speaker 1: have large numbers of Sharia supremacists here. They're becoming, as

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Speaker 1: in Britain, increasingly aggressive and I fear that they're looking

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Speaker 1: to what's happening in the Middle East at the moment

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Speaker 1: in which Tony Blair is again being allowed to play

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Speaker 1: a role, unimaginably the negotiations underway in Egypt and what

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Speaker 1: might flow from them. He's supposed to somehow preside over

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Speaker 1: along with President Trump, formula for disaster. It seems to me,

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Speaker 1: but it's almost certainly emboldening all of these Sharia supremacists, yes,

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Speaker 1: in the UK, elsewhere around the world, but also here

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Speaker 1: that we are in the face of their increasing assertiveness.

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Speaker 1: We have one more block coming up with Peter mcavin.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about that and France what it

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Speaker 1: portends there. Stay tuned. We're back and so is Peter mcaven.

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Speaker 1: He is our emissary in the Transatlantic region, the British Isles,

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Speaker 1: of course, from what s he hails, and we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk to him about the continent beyond, specifically the

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Speaker 1: Fifth Republic of France, which some suggest is now going

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Speaker 1: through its death throws in part Peter, I think it's

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Speaker 1: fair to say because of a similar unchecked immigration that

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Speaker 1: successive French governments have enabled or at least allowed in

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Speaker 1: the past decade, or so true of much of Europe

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Speaker 1: for that matter. But France is a place where we

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Speaker 1: now have no go zones all over the place, very

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Speaker 1: aggressive Sharia, you know, following jihattists, and a government that

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Speaker 1: seems tottering under President Macrome, well tottering at best. It's

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Speaker 1: actually fallen a couple of times. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: they're going to be able to put Humpty Dumpty back

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Speaker 1: together again as we speak, that's underway. But talk us

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Speaker 1: through what's going on as you see it from across

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Speaker 1: the channel in France, and again, what does it say

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Speaker 1: about immigration practices and the policies that generally are flowing

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Speaker 1: from it.

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Speaker 3: It's intrigued what's happening with France because for your viewers,

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Speaker 3: frank France and Germany have always been the engine of Europe,

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Speaker 3: always been the strong countries. France is the only military

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Speaker 3: might in Europe apart from the UK, although I don't

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Speaker 3: know you talk about either of them being military might anymore.

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Speaker 3: But that's a separate conversation. But it's I know, and

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Speaker 3: you talked about some of the the impact in the

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Speaker 3: Nogo areas. I think it's France and Sweden and the

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Speaker 3: UK have really been on the forefront of the Islamization.

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Speaker 3: Parts of Germany, yes, but really it's been France and

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Speaker 3: the UK. I mean France, what Paris is twelve percent Muslim,

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Speaker 3: same as as as London in the UK. Sweden have

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Speaker 3: utterly collapsed under those Islamic gangs that have destroyed Sweden.

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Speaker 3: The only other part really is is in Brussels, where

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Speaker 3: they've got thirty percent, the cultural capital, the political couple

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Speaker 3: of Europe. But it is France, and it's intriguing watching

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Speaker 3: Macron being a very weak individual, a consensus politician, which

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Speaker 3: shows you go with your belief system, go with your conviction,

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Speaker 3: and not actually gather people around you that will just

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Speaker 3: all say the same thing. And Macron is being pillared

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Speaker 3: in France and the only reason why he won the

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Speaker 3: last election is because the elite refused to let refuse

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Speaker 3: to let Marie la Penn win. They came against her

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Speaker 3: to make sure. They removed those three parties running together

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Speaker 3: in what one hundred and fifty regions, They removed one

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Speaker 3: of the ones on the left, so only it was

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Speaker 3: one left, one right, and therefore Marine Lea Penn couldn't

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Speaker 3: slip through. And although she is the largest party in

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Speaker 3: the French Parliament, the system, the deep state in Europe

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Speaker 3: in France, could not let her win and they made

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Speaker 3: sure and stopped hern all came together. So you've got

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Speaker 3: a gathering of individuals of parties that wouldn't normally agree,

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Speaker 3: but their only agreement is to keep Marie lepennot and

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Speaker 3: that's why.

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Speaker 1: And Marilla Penn again, just back to the main theme here, Peter,

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Speaker 1: mariell A Penn's constituency is very angry over the immigration

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Speaker 1: policies that have been pursued by these other parties. And

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Speaker 1: just quickly, as you see it now, is the government

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Speaker 1: of France, Is the Republic of France likely to fall

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Speaker 1: in the midst of this present crisis, and what again

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Speaker 1: may be heading towards the civil war there as well?

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Speaker 3: Well, let's take the civil war part and let me

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Speaker 3: glut over the collapse of the Macron government because this

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Speaker 3: is his what third or fourth prime minister and the

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Speaker 3: President Macron as the president basically selects the prime minister,

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Speaker 3: and the prime minister had been actually in position for

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Speaker 3: just over three weeks. He couldn't even last a month,

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Speaker 3: so he has stepped on, and then Macron said, please

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Speaker 3: put together a budget if you can do it within

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Speaker 3: a few days. So as we speak this afternoon, supposedly

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Speaker 3: the President Macron has begged the former prime minister who

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Speaker 3: stepped on days ago, to come up with a budget.

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Speaker 3: That's not going to happen. And Macron said, if that

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Speaker 3: doesn't happen, he will do the right thing. What is

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Speaker 3: the right thing. That would be the call an election

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Speaker 3: and marine Leapenn with the national rally or pulling top

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Speaker 3: in France. That strikes fear into the establishment because she

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Speaker 3: wants to keep French borders, she wants to keep French culture,

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Speaker 3: she wants to keep France France. That's not a bad thing.

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Speaker 3: That's what loves want to do. We want to keep

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Speaker 3: our nations according to their social, their traditional, their historical elements,

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Speaker 3: and she wants to do that. And she has been

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Speaker 3: in this fight for I don't know two decades, hasn't

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Speaker 3: been since renal Le Penn and always been the edge,

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Speaker 3: just like gard Fielders was always on the edge in

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Speaker 3: Holland and not a stepped into government with their election

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Speaker 3: coming up. And Renally Penn has always been on the edge.

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Speaker 3: And I think we are at the point where the

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Speaker 3: establishment cannot keep that. Renally Penn waved back and I

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Speaker 3: think that she will be able to step in Marine

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Speaker 3: Ly Penn as president of France. That is what we

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Speaker 3: really want because that resets the European Union, it resets

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Speaker 3: the European project. That's what we want. But we've got

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Speaker 3: opposition because obviously the deep state in terms of France

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Speaker 3: and across Europe don't want that to happen. So I

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Speaker 3: think we need to keep our eyes on this situation hugely.

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Speaker 1: For sure we will, Peter, with your help is among others.

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Speaker 1: But just to tie this off, is it your estimation

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Speaker 1: that if they do not bring forth as a sort

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Speaker 1: of safety valve elections, presumably the past play of blocking

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Speaker 1: Marine Lapenn won't work under these circumstances, but might begin

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Speaker 1: in the process of dismantling the Fifth Republic. And would

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Speaker 1: that matter?

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Speaker 3: It would matter and'll be a wonderful thing. And I think, yes,

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Speaker 3: that actually the deep sit have overplayed their hand. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I think the support is there for Rene Lapen. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I think public sentiment is against Macron and they want

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Speaker 3: to change. Their sick and tied to Macron. They want

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Speaker 3: to change, and I think they will welcome Rene la Pen.

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Speaker 1: We will be watching this, as I say, closely, Peter McLevin,

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Speaker 1: and thank you for your insights on both what's happening

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Speaker 1: in your own country Britain as well as across the channel.

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Speaker 1: Keep us posted, my friend, God bless you keep up

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Speaker 1: the great work at Hearts of Oak. We we'll talk

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Speaker 1: with the rest of you next time. I hope until

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Speaker 1: then that you go forth and multiply