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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Left Podcast. My

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Speaker 1: guest today is Steph Payne, guitarist and leading force of

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Speaker 1: the band les Zeppelin. Steph, good to have you on

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Speaker 1: the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thanks, Bob, it's fantastic to be here. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: having me.

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Speaker 1: Let's start from the beginning. Is Steph Payin's your real name?

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's my real name. But there is a small

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Speaker 2: little difference, and that is there's a why in it.

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Speaker 2: When when I was born there was no why, so

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Speaker 2: it was P. A. N. E. S. And that's the truth.

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Speaker 2: And you're the first one to hear it. But it's

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Speaker 2: a funny story, which if I go into it.

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Speaker 1: Well tell the story. We're here, We're here.

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Speaker 2: This is all right, Okay, okay. It sort of ties

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Speaker 2: in because I put the Y in my name after

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Speaker 2: I moved to England the first time, which is a

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Speaker 2: long time ago, right after college, and I had found

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Speaker 2: myself working, you know, trying to be a big rock

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Speaker 2: star and make it and do all this stuff because

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Speaker 2: you know, British Invasion rock was my favorite thing. So

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Speaker 2: I thought I have to go to England. And while

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Speaker 2: I was here, at that point, I started to write

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Speaker 2: for the music press, and I was writing for the

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Speaker 2: NME actually, and when I got my first story published,

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Speaker 2: I realized, because I was paranoid about working without a

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Speaker 2: work permit, that if I put a Y in the name,

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Speaker 2: they could not prove that it was me, because there's

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Speaker 2: a why in the name and all my passport there isn't.

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Speaker 2: So that was my thinking and ever since it became

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Speaker 2: my name and it stuck. So there's a wine.

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Speaker 1: Okay, there's a lot to unpact there, but I'm going

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Speaker 1: to go back to original theme. Les Zeppelin would imply

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Speaker 1: that it's an act of lesbians. What is the truth?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I knew you were going to get there. I

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Speaker 2: didn't think it would be second. I thought it would

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Speaker 2: be first. We have always had a don't ask, don't

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Speaker 2: tell policy since the beginning of the band. Lots of

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Speaker 2: reasons for that, but I figured I basically, in a nutshell,

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Speaker 2: I'd get into trouble either way, So don't ask, don't tell,

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Speaker 2: and we welcome speculation. We're fine with whatever anybody thinks.

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Speaker 2: And people actually like to guess, so it's fun.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you yourself have been married, have children, You certainly

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Speaker 1: have lived a heterosexual lifestyle, So the question because naming

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Speaker 1: it led Zeppelin, was that to gain attention or was

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Speaker 1: that because that was the easiest play on the name

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Speaker 1: led Zeppelin? How did you come up with it? Long?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I will tell you my mother came up with it.

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Speaker 2: Believe it or not. My mother, this is true. She

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Speaker 2: was an English professor, and she was fantastic with puns

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Speaker 2: and you know, writing. I mean, it was wonderful. She

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Speaker 2: quickest person with a pun that I'd ever met. And

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Speaker 2: we were sitting around the table and I had already

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Speaker 2: started this, I mean, had this idea to start this band,

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Speaker 2: and I was gung ho, and we were trying to

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Speaker 2: think of names, and there were all sorts of really

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Speaker 2: bad names being put on the table as bands, do

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Speaker 2: just turns to me and says, lez Zeppelin. Now, I

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Speaker 2: had never heard my mother even say the word lesbian

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Speaker 2: okay out loud. But it was the most brilliant thing

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Speaker 2: I ever heard. I just that was it. There was

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Speaker 2: no question in my mind that that had to be

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Speaker 2: the name of the band. And I think, honestly, I

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Speaker 2: think it's like the best band name ever. Maybe not ever,

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Speaker 2: but it's up there.

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Speaker 1: Okay, for those people unfamiliar with les Zeppelin, how would

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Speaker 1: you describe the band?

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's you mean trying to describe led Zeppelin in

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Speaker 2: and of itself.

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Speaker 1: And someone goes to a led Zeppelin show, someone listens

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Speaker 1: to your music, what are they getting? What is the

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Speaker 1: ethos of the band? What is it you're selling?

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Speaker 2: Okay, they will get a powerful, very passion very spontaneous

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Speaker 2: show that is all around the songs of led Zeppelin.

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Speaker 2: We play the songs as they are written most of

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Speaker 2: And it's kind of an amazing thing because we focus

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Speaker 2: more on the spirit of the band, i would say,

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Speaker 2: and the incredible combination of musicianship that made them who

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Speaker 2: they are, which is why this band has to be

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Speaker 2: so organic, because we are playing together as musicians like

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Speaker 2: they were and trying to achieve that special sort of

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Speaker 2: magical moment of intensity, and that really is our goal.

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Speaker 2: And you know, sometimes I'll play a solo. I mean

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Speaker 2: a lot of the solos I play at this point

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Speaker 2: are you know, in Jimmy Page's style, but they're not

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Speaker 2: exactly what Jimmy played, and my hope is maybe he

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Speaker 2: more evocative, I think, to.

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Speaker 1: Go for.

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Speaker 2: That essence of the band, and I think people react

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Speaker 2: to it feeling like they've really been to a led

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Speaker 2: they played, which is frankly no interest to me.

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Speaker 1: However, having seen the act, it's not like going to

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Speaker 1: a song that's famous and I didn't recognize that. The

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Speaker 1: songs generally speaking, are very faithful to the originals.

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Speaker 2: Yes, because you have to be. I mean, it's brilliant

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Speaker 2: the Ocean. Well, let's take that song. It's kind of

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Speaker 2: such a perfect package. I never changed the guitar solos

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Speaker 2: for that. We never change the arrangements. But you know,

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Speaker 2: we're only four people, so we play it live like

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Speaker 2: they played it, So our renditions are how they played

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Speaker 2: it live. We don't have extra people on stage to

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Speaker 2: fill all the guitar parts. We're not trying to replicate

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Speaker 2: the albums. But you know, a song like the Ocean

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Speaker 2: is very, very true to form. It'll sound like it

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Speaker 2: sounds on the record without the extra guitar tracks. It

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Speaker 2: sounds like they played how it sounded when they played

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Speaker 2: it live.

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Speaker 1: But just to nail this down, what is different is

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Speaker 1: primarily is solos, etc. You're going to the show, You're

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Speaker 1: if you close your eyes, theoretically you say, okay, this

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Speaker 1: is led Zeppelin live. Yes, would you agree with that?

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's my goal. It works, though it succeeds.

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Speaker 1: How'd you come up with the idea?

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Speaker 2: Pow? Oh gosh, it's really kind of boring. It's boring, Bob,

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Speaker 2: It's really boring. I mean, frankly, I just love the

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Speaker 2: music of Led Zeppelin. I mean it was a pure

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Speaker 2: act of indulgence. And I was between gigs. I had

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Speaker 2: spent a time playing with Ronnie Specter. That had been

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Speaker 2: mood to really dig down and get intense with the guitar.

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Speaker 2: I frankly hadn't really studied Jimmy Page. Before i'd studied

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Hendrix, I'd studied a lot of jazz, I'd studied

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Speaker 2: really wanted to see if I could get into his zeitgeist,

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Speaker 2: you know, So I thought, this will be fun. Why

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Speaker 2: led Zeppelin? So I thought, you know, I took the

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Speaker 2: why not, let's just play led Zeppelin? And I sort

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Speaker 2: of set off to do it, and that was really it.

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Speaker 2: Just I figured, we'll play a gig once a month.

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Speaker 2: I'll get a couple of girls together, because I knew

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Speaker 2: that it would be better with all girls, and maybe

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Speaker 2: we'll make fifty bucks and have a beer and it'll

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Speaker 2: be really fun and kind of get all rocks off.

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Speaker 2: But once I started the band, it turned out to

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Speaker 2: be a much more work than that, way much more work.

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Speaker 2: And then the level of interest in the group was immediate.

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Speaker 2: This is twenty twenty four. I'm sorry, two thousand and four.

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Speaker 2: It's been twenty years actually, and I realized I was

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Speaker 1: Let's start with the work. You say it was much

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Speaker 1: more work? Can you go deeper there?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, okay. First I had to find three other

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Speaker 2: other all girl band that was amazing and very powerful,

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Speaker 2: so I had no doubt that girls could do it

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Speaker 2: and probably better. Where were they?

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Speaker 1: Oh well, we just have to stop there for one second.

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Speaker 1: Why probably? Why probably better? Or was that just an

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Speaker 2: It was kind of offhand, but it was kind of

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Speaker 2: the way I felt. I just my latter The one

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Speaker 2: all girl band I had been in was called one

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Speaker 2: nine hundred Bucks, and it was in the nineties, so

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Speaker 2: it was kind of like a Jane's Addiction kind of band.

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Speaker 2: We were compared to them a lot, and we were

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Speaker 2: compared to and I'm telling you, Bob, it was the

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Speaker 2: most powerful band I've ever played in. And I've played

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Speaker 2: in a lot of bands with a lot of guys,

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Speaker 2: not that they can't do it. There was just something

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Speaker 2: Can they do it better? Well? Now I think that,

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Speaker 2: But then you know, I think my band does it better.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to stop you for one second. Since led

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Speaker 1: Zeppelin is an all male band, macho males here that

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Speaker 1: they can't use the word girls. They must use the

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Speaker 2: Girls is fine with me? I don't. I have no

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Speaker 2: interest in that kind of semantic volleyball. And I would

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Speaker 2: take you to task on saying that led Zeppelin were macha,

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Speaker 2: because I think they were pretty far from macho. I

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Speaker 2: think there was a lot of posturing and a lot

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Speaker 2: the rest, and it was very sexual. But if you

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Speaker 2: think about how led Zeppelin looked like girls kind of.

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Speaker 2: If you think about the beautiful texture and dynamics of

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Speaker 2: a whole lot of love or something like that, it

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Speaker 2: runs the spectrum. And I never consider it cock rock,

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Speaker 2: as many people have said, or particularly macho, but somehow

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Speaker 2: it has that reputation. I mean, maybe you can explain it.

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Speaker 1: No, I think those words came out of my mouth

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Speaker 1: and I was doubting. I'm good for you for calling

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Speaker 1: me on it. But let's go back to the narrative.

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Speaker 1: So you say, Okay, I'm going to do this. First,

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Speaker 1: I have to find three other girls. So what did

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Speaker 1: you do?

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Speaker 2: I just word of mouth. I just asked everybody and

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Speaker 2: I mean everybody, like people who were bankers, people who

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Speaker 2: were in restaurants. I was like hairdressers. I just figured

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Speaker 2: if I put the word out, someone will know somebody.

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Speaker 2: And in fact, that's exactly how that band came together.

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Speaker 2: Somebody saying, oh, my friend, my hairdresser in fact plays drums,

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Speaker 2: and my brother went to a party and called me

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Speaker 2: up and said, I think I found your singer like that,

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Speaker 2: and that the drummer. I knew what the drummer from

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Speaker 2: the all girl band that I mentioned, and I called her. Initially,

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Speaker 2: her name was Chip English, and she went off to

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Speaker 2: But Chip is an incredibly intense drummer, and she joined up.

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Speaker 2: She was gung ho for about a month and a

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Speaker 2: then it was I'm not doing this. This is too

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Speaker 2: much practicing. So I then, you know, found another drummer

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Speaker 1: Okay, it started as a lark. When in your brain

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Speaker 2: Did I think it would become what it actually became. No,

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Speaker 2: Ah? How much time do we have?

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Speaker 1: Okay, bands have arcs. Was the fall off in publicity

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you coasting at this point or are you

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, so let's start. Do you have a mailing list?

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Speaker 2: We did, but we now have a huge Facebook, Instagram,

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Speaker 1: Okay, who is doing the posting? Who is coordinating this?

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Speaker 1: to get a whole new band.

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00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 2: Why, Well, there were different reasons throughout the twenty some

432
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: odd years, but basically I think, you know, people sort

433
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 2: of run their course with a group, except for me,

434
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 2: you know, the guitar player remains the same, I guess.

435
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 2: But you know, this was my baby, so I don't

436
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 2: ever get sick of it. I don't ever, you know,

437
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 2: feel like it's too much work or whatever that is.

438
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 2: So there were some of that, but some of the

439
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 2: players got pulled away by other things. Like one of

440
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 2: our singers got a gig as a on Broadway as understudy,

441
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 2: and it was great money and she took that, so

442
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 2: you know, I totally understand that, But then we had

443
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 2: to find another sing so it was things like that too.

444
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 2: I'm kind of amazed that the band has lasted in

445
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 2: its sort of some form or this form for so long,

446
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 2: because bands don't last that long. I think we're around

447
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 2: twice as long as Led Zeppelin actually were.

448
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: So okay, focusing back on band members, did you ever

449
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: have to fire a band member?

450
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, once, I sort of didn't fire. I didn't fire

451
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: her exactly. I saw an avenue that I could take

452
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 2: to make her quit and it worked. She had already

453
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: quit five times, and I figured she'll quit again. There's

454
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 2: no question. If she makes this request and I say no,

455
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 2: she's bound to quit again because all of us had

456
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 2: had enough. She was a little unstable and we'd had enough.

457
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: So okay. So one can say it's your band.

458
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:14,479
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's my band, but everyone who plays in

459
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: the band feels very passionate about it and they feel

460
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 2: like it's their band as well. Because that's the nature

461
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 2: of this music. You cannot play it without having that

462
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 2: exist on stage. You can't just have backup players doing

463
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 2: their bit. You have to be huddling in the middle

464
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 2: of the stage, staring at each other, throwing riffs back

465
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: and forth and being in the moment. And that is

466
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 2: a very intimate, involved way to play music. Far too

467
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: rare these days, but that's what it is, and that's

468
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 2: what I love most about it.

469
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: Okay, do you split the money equally?

470
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 2: No, but I pay for everything.

471
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: Okay. Can you make a living on lives Zeppelin? Yeah?

472
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it depends on what you consider a living. Could

473
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 2: I could I find some very you know, cheap place

474
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 2: to pull up and maybe run the band? It depends.

475
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 2: I mean, now it's super expensive to tour, so it's uh,

476
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 2: it's challenging sometimes, but generally speaking, yes, this is my

477
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 2: this is my job.

478
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: So if you're not living on a subsistence level, how

479
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: are you paying the bills other than lives? Zuppelin?

480
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: Well, I've you know, I had, I owned an apartment

481
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 2: in New York City and you sold that. I had

482
00:33:55,520 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 2: help from my ex for a while. I uh, just investments,

483
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 2: being smart with the money, stuff like that. We've had

484
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 2: times when it you know, we'll play private parties or something.

485
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 2: You know, the money vascillates. It's it's okay, you know,

486
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 2: I make money as a musician. I'm lucky.

487
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: Okay, the other three women, if you the band has

488
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: been together for six years, are they living on the

489
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: income from le Zeppelin or are they doing other things?

490
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: And what might they be?

491
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 2: Yes, everyone has They all have other things that they do.

492
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 2: So Marlaine our singer, she's an actress and she does voiceovers,

493
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 2: so that's a big gig for her. She mainly does that.

494
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 2: You know, this is the only band she's in at

495
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 2: the moment. Joan the bass player, she has a bunch

496
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 2: of other bands. And our drummer is I would say,

497
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 2: well the drummer where with Now she has a full

498
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 2: time job, but it's very flexible so she can work remotely.

499
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 2: So everyone is secure. Plus they have good living situations.

500
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 2: They have partners, and their partners are okay. You know,

501
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 2: they handle a lot too, So nobody in the band

502
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 2: feels desperate for money. It's a good situation to have

503
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 2: because it's not where everyone is up tight. This is

504
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 2: not enough money to play, and you know we're not

505
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 2: getting enough. I mean, you know, I'll take gigs where

506
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 2: I lose money playing, but you know, you keep a

507
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 2: band working, so it's okay. So I think everyone's okay

508
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 2: with it, and they're not totally reliant at.

509
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: This point in time. How many gigs a year does

510
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: les Zeppelin do?

511
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 2: I would say we averaged thirty five to forty gigs

512
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 2: a year, give or take. It's mostly weekends.

513
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: And is it waxed in Wane? Where were there other

514
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:24,720
Speaker 1: years where you played more?

515
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 2: Yes? Absolutely. I mean there were times when we were

516
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 2: doing European tours and we were out for a month,

517
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 2: or we were in Japan, or we were in Australia,

518
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 2: We've done you know where it was much more constant,

519
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 2: lots more gigs and playing. You know, we had an

520
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 2: agent who was booking us like mad and that that's

521
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 2: really what you need. You know, someone's booking you like that.

522
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:58,280
Speaker 2: And I will say that when I started this band

523
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 2: and in the early days, there were not so many

524
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 2: of these other bands playing led Zeppelin. Now there are

525
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 2: a plethora of these bands. And it's sometimes hard to

526
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 2: described to promoters what the difference is aside from us

527
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 2: being all girls or all women as it were. They

528
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: don't really know, and some of them don't really care

529
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 2: because if they can just get people through the door

530
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: and buy alcohol whatever, you know, whoever gives them the

531
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 2: lowest price, but I was not dealing with that. Early on.

532
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 2: We were much more unique in our just existence. Forget

533
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 2: about the way we played it, which I still believe

534
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 2: we are unique in that way. But there just weren't

535
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 2: so many of these bands, and it's made it tough for.

536
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: So how do you actually get the gigs today? Do

537
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: you have an agent today?

538
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 2: Yes, we do have a great agent working for us.

539
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 2: We are playing mostly theaters, and now that people know

540
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 2: who we are, the promoters know who we are, so yeah,

541
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 2: it's it's good. But you know you have to book

542
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 2: it so that some other led Zeppelin band isn't down

543
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 2: the block on the same night. You know that's happened,

544
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 2: and then you know it's crazy.

545
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: Have you ever gone to see these other lads up

546
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: win bands and say, you know they're better than we are.

547
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 2: No, you can answer that in a second. I've seen

548
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: the big ones.

549
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: If your agent said, okay, I can book you on

550
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: one hundred dates this year, would you say set it up?

551
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: You say, oh, that's just too much work. I'm too old.

552
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: I've been there, done that. I'm forty's pretty good.

553
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:09,919
Speaker 2: I'd say, what's the money? No, good question, Bob I'd

554
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 2: have to ask the girls what they wanted to do.

555
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 2: You know, if they all were in, then I'd be in.

556
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 2: I'm pretty game at this at this point, at any point.

557
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 2: That's just you know. I love being on stage. I

558
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 2: love meeting people. I love the sound of the guitar.

559
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 2: I just you know, I I can't see giving it up.

560
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 2: It's just part of who I am. And I'm happy

561
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 2: to play. I don't know, I imagine myself not playing.

562
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: So okay, let's go back to the beginning. Where'd you

563
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: grow up?

564
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 2: I grew up in Long Island, in a town called

565
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 2: Great Neck, New York.

566
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: You see, your mother was a college professor. What did

567
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: your father do for a living?

568
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 2: So my dad was a publisher and he worked at home.

569
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 2: He had his own business and he put out all

570
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 2: sorts of publications that they used to call employee relations magazines.

571
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 2: He went to j school and this is what he did.

572
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 2: So he had, you know, big businesses like Bloomingdale's or

573
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 2: a big you know, King Cullin, or he had a

574
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 2: lot of supermarkets and Hurts, you know, was a client,

575
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 2: but he would put out their in house publications. So

576
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 2: it was kind of like a house organ You know,

577
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 2: for the employees to read, they'd read about themselves. They

578
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 2: have stories about what's happening in this store that store.

579
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 2: And it was a good business. And he did the

580
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 2: whole thing himself.

581
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: And how many kids in the family just too other

582
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: and myself, your brother older or younger, what's he up to.

583
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: He's a little younger. And he was a violinist, very

584
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: serious violinist, so also a musician, and now he's writing

585
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 2: for television. He's writing US series for MGM. Plus if

586
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 2: you've ever seen The Godfather of Harlem, he's a writer

587
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 2: on that.

588
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: Okay. So if he's a serious violinist and you're a musician,

589
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 1: was there music in the house. There must have been

590
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,240
Speaker 1: some driving force if you're both into music.

591
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,879
Speaker 2: There was music all the time. I mean, my mother

592
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 2: was a pianist, but not any professional, but she wasn't bad,

593
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 2: you know, she was pretty good. And my dad loved

594
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 2: music but didn't play anything. He played stuff for us,

595
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: like there was a lot of classical music mostly that

596
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 2: they liked. They did not like rock and roll. I

597
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: was on my own with that. But the one thing

598
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 2: that my dad played for me from when I was

599
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 2: a wee little child was Django Reinhart from as long

600
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 2: as I can remember. He loved Jango Reinhart, and I

601
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 2: grew up listening to that, and I still think he's

602
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 2: the greatest guitarist who ever lived.

603
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: So what point do you start playing an instrument?

604
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 2: Well, I asked for a guitar at five and got

605
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 2: it for my sixth birthday. So I played it a

606
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 2: little bit, and then I put it under the piano,

607
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 2: and then I took it back out from under the

608
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 2: piano at about eight years old and learned a few

609
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 2: chords and I was off. That was it?

610
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 1: Well, a little bit slower. What do you you know?

611
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: Did you take lessons? What was the music you were

612
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: listening to? How'd you learn how to play?

613
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 2: All by ear? No lessons?

614
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: So if you're eight years old, what are you playing?

615
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 2: Oh? I was playing folky music like James Taylor. I

616
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 2: was getting into finger picking and beatle songs and stuff

617
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 2: like that. I was interested in. Yeah, and it was

618
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 2: fairly easy for me, you know, so, so I wasn't

619
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 2: frustrated with it, which is why I kept doing it.

620
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 2: And at some point, when I was a tween, I

621
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 2: guess they called them a tween, I did go for

622
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 2: the summer, I went for two summers to this place

623
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 2: called the Guitar Workshop, which was out on Long Island,

624
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 2: and it was kind of this hippie commune of guitar players.

625
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 2: No real rock and roll, but a lot of classical,

626
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 2: a lot of finger picking, a lot of blues. And

627
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 2: there was one guy there who played jazz. And the

628
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 2: second I went for just the summer, it was kind

629
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 2: of like you know, the Guitar Institute. It was just

630
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 2: a cram eight hour day of playing different classes and

631
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 2: technique and ear training and stuff. And when I heard

632
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 2: this guy play jazz, that was it. I just signed

633
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 2: up for the whole jazz program and that's what I studied.

634
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 2: So I did that for two summers.

635
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: And you were how old when you do that?

636
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 2: I would say, thirteen fourteen.

637
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: Okay, that's the summer. You come back home. What are

638
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: you playing at home? Are you interested in forming beans?

639
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 1: What's going on?

640
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to I'm just trying to be Joe passed.

641
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 2: I was like, I wasn't forming bands really well. I

642
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 2: played in the high school jazz band. I was doing that.

643
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 2: I played with a few kids who were into jazz,

644
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 2: but I was not playing rock, and I was not

645
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 2: doing that. I was a real jazz head, which is

646
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: funny but actually turned out to be really helpful later on,

647
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 2: I think with playing led Zeppelin actually, But yeah, it

648
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,720
Speaker 2: wasn't until I got to college that I started getting

649
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 2: into bands.

650
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: Okay, you ended up going to Brown in Rhode Island,

651
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 1: so one would assume you were a good student.

652
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 2: I guess you could assume that, although you know, I

653
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 2: wasn't the greatest student in the world, but I was

654
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 2: good enough, and I had a lot of, as they say,

655
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:29,280
Speaker 2: other things on my resume, as it were. I'd worked

656
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 2: on the hill on Capitol Hill for two summers for congressman,

657
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 2: which nobody did in high school. And I did that

658
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 2: in high school. And I was a writer, so I

659
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 2: could I still actually writing is the other thing I do.

660
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 2: So I could write my application pretty well. And I

661
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 2: just had these and then I had jet you know,

662
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 2: I had the guitar play. I just had a lot

663
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 2: of different things, and it appealed to that to schools,

664
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 2: as it were. But yeah, I was all right, My

665
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 2: grades were all right.

666
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: How'd you end up working on Capitol Hill?

667
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 2: Well, there was a congressman in our town that my

668
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 2: parents had helped write some of his campaign speeches. It's

669
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 2: a Democrat from New York called Lester Wolfe, and we

670
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 2: met one day. I mean I got introduced to him,

671
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 2: actually at a temple. He went to the same temple,

672
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: and I just asked him and he said, yeah, your

673
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 2: send me a letter. And I did. I sent him

674
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 2: a letter and I got in and then I loved it.

675
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 2: They loved me. So I went back the next summer.

676
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: Okay, today, are you disillusioned with politics or you think

677
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: there's a future?

678
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: Oh boy, I'll tell you. I just kind of stopped

679
00:46:56,160 --> 00:47:00,760
Speaker 2: reading newspapers or listening to anything for a good long while.

680
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 2: But now I'm like a political junkie again. I just can't.

681
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:12,760
Speaker 2: I can't not check in with it every hour or something.

682
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 2: But it's a good question. I think it's a really

683
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 2: dark time. But one thing I will never forget. When

684
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 2: I was an intern on the Hill, sometimes the interns

685
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 2: got to go to these presentations or speakers would come.

686
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 2: And one of the speakers who came to speak to us,

687
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 2: he was already quite sick and was fairly old at

688
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 2: that point, was Hubert Humphrey. So I'm dating myself a little,

689
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 2: but Hubert Humphrey came and talked to all the interns,

690
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 2: and I'll never forget it because he said, sort of,

691
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 2: this thing goes. Don't lose hope in this country or

692
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 2: in this system. It's going to seem like at times

693
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 2: when it's beyond help, but you've got to believe in it.

694
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 2: It is a good system, it does work. Don't lose

695
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: hope in it. And I remember that. I'll never forget

696
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,399
Speaker 2: it because I thought, Wow, that's a guy that could

697
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 2: have easily lost hope in it, because you know, he

698
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 2: lost a bunch of time. It was very frustrating career

699
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 2: for him. So I have to believe that it'll come

700
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 2: back around.

701
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: Okay, So you go to college. Do you have any

702
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: idea you want to make your living in music? What

703
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 1: are you thinking when you go?

704
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 2: Well, I was sort of I was kind of hedge

705
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 2: in my bets a little like I majored in international

706
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 2: relations because I was interested in all that stuff. But really,

707
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 2: deep down, I just wanted to be a rock star.

708
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll just say it, that's what I wanted.

709
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 2: It sounds childish, but that's was my dream, you know.

710
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 2: So at the so I sort of set off to

711
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 2: do it after I graduated.

712
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: Before you graduated, you say you started playing in bands

713
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:21,919
Speaker 1: in college. Tell us about that.

714
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 2: Well, I played. I played in a sort of new

715
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 2: wave band. It wasn't very good, but we thought we

716
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 2: were good. And you know, we wrote all the music.

717
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 2: We did some covers like I don't know Joe Jackson

718
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 2: covers or what else did we do? Even Born to

719
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 2: Be Wild. We had a weird mix of things. But

720
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 2: we looked amazing. We really looked great, Like we had

721
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 2: the coolest looking people on the campus, without doubt. But

722
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 2: you know, black leather pants and spiked heels and I

723
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 2: was the only girl that one of our players had

724
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 2: a bouffontaire do I mean? We really look good. We

725
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 2: sounded eh. But all those guys went off to law

726
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 2: school after I wanted, you know, let's let's try it,

727
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 2: let's try it, but they just they all went to

728
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 2: law school. So that's when I graduated. I went to England.

729
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: Okay, a little bit slower. You're a girl.

730
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 2: There's a lot, there's a lot, Bob, Yeah.

731
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: Okay, you're a girl. You say in this band, you know,

732
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: we hear all about sexism, opportunities. You're a guitar player.

733
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: Did you find you know, obstacles in your way or

734
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: you just another guitar player and you found opportunities.

735
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 2: I have to say that in that environment, certainly, at

736
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 2: a school like that, there wasn't sexism, not overtly, not

737
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 2: from my bandmate. I was the lead guitarist. There was

738
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 2: another guitar player, so no, and I was the guitar

739
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 2: player in this stage band. That was just an audition.

740
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:15,240
Speaker 2: It was later and before it's certainly in high school.

741
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 2: I had to prove myself and you know, everyone assumed

742
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 2: I couldn't play. And there was tryouts for the stage

743
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 2: band in high school, and some snotty kid was, hey,

744
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 2: you could play rhythm and I'll play lead, and I

745
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 2: just sort of looked at him like, well, all right,

746
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 2: we'll see. And sure enough, you know, the audition came

747
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 2: and came around and he took his solo and it

748
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 2: was all blues and not even good blues over jazz changes.

749
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 2: And then I just sort of, you know, laughed to

750
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 2: myself in my seat because when it came to me,

751
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 2: I knew how to play jazz, so I was, you know,

752
00:51:56,120 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 2: da nadauata and his face was just so things that

753
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 2: happened a lot, but not at school a little later.

754
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,399
Speaker 2: Even in England, you know, there were some of it,

755
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 2: but it didn't stop me. I mean I figured out

756
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 2: just they'll hear me play and that'll be that end

757
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 2: of conversation. So I wasn't deeply affected by it.

758
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 1: Okay, you graduate from college, you see, my goal is

759
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: to be a rock star. Yes, so tell us about

760
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: why you went to England, what the path was, what

761
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: was in your head and what actually happened.

762
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so much to my parents' chagrin to take

763
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 2: that beautiful degree and go to England to be a

764
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 2: rock star. Fine, you know, but they were very look,

765
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 2: they didn't like the idea, but they supported it once

766
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 2: I was determined and they knew they weren't going to

767
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 2: stop me. So I came over all by myself with

768
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 2: a Les Paul in a hardcover case, schlepping it around

769
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 2: because it was heavies and a suitcase. And I had

770
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 2: a friend who was here because I had done a

771
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 2: semester abroad in political science with a program with the

772
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 2: London School of Economics. So I did make a friend.

773
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 2: I stayed with her for a while and then I

774
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 2: found a cold water flat somewhere and started auditioning for bands,

775
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 2: and I also had a few letters of introduction so

776
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 2: that I ended up working for a literary agent part time,

777
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 2: so there was a little money coming in, so that's

778
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 2: what I did. I joined a band and it was

779
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 2: a super progressive, crazy intricate band with two scotsmen and

780
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 2: I think it was called The Death's Heads Piano Players

781
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 2: or something, but it was in German. Why I joined

782
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 2: this band, I don't know, but it was very challenging

783
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 2: and it got nowhere. So eventually, on that along that path,

784
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 2: after about a year or so, I did start it's

785
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 2: a story, but I did start writing for the music

786
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 2: press and I became a rock journalist quite seriously, and

787
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 2: that kind of became my second track for a good

788
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 2: long while. So I was running for the enemy as

789
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 2: a freelancer. And what year we in, Well we're in

790
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 2: the eighties.

791
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 1: Okay, so we're in the eighties. You're writing for the memy.

792
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: What's happening with your goal to become a rock star?

793
00:54:55,640 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 2: Well, that band fizzled out, That was no good. So

794
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 2: I ended up in you know, another band or that

795
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:11,720
Speaker 2: had promise but was again it's one of these stories.

796
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 2: Where it implodes because the people are so nuts. We

797
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 2: actually had some sort of publishing deal with CBS, but

798
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 2: we went to make a record and that the singer

799
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 2: showed up and he was so drunk he could I mean,

800
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 2: he just couldn't sing. And the producer, who was Bruce

801
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 2: Thomas from Elvis Costello's band, Yeah, he walked out on

802
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 2: the session because this guy was such a clown. Got

803
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 2: we got him back, but it took some doing. But

804
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 2: that just you know, that didn't We played a few

805
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 2: big gigs and opened for some people, but that also

806
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:58,800
Speaker 2: went puff. And then what happened is I was writing

807
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 2: a lot, but I needed a work permit and the

808
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 2: nmy said that they would get one for me. So

809
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 2: I left the country because they had to stay out

810
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 2: of the country for a while, you know, And at

811
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 2: that time it was tough in England. You know, they

812
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 2: were really crunching down on people coming over and taking

813
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 2: jobs and it was I was a little paranoid about that,

814
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 2: so it was hard to get in. People were questioning

815
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 2: you all of that. So I stayed in the States

816
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 2: for a while waiting for this work permit, and basically

817
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 2: it never came through. So I stayed in New York

818
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 2: City doing what writing, Mostly writing. I played in a

819
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 2: few bands here and there. I started to play myself

820
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 2: as a singer songwriter. I was kind of sick of band,

821
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 2: so I went out kind of Billy Bragg style, you know,

822
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 2: just with a guitar, guitar and my vocal and I

823
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 2: wrote a bunch of songs, a whole bunch of songs,

824
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 2: and I kind of played around New York City, mostly

825
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 2: to very few people. And I had, you know, promises

826
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 2: from this guy and promises from that. You know. It

827
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 2: was that kind of thing. And didn't you know, I

828
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 2: had my own band, I had other bands, and I

829
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 2: just did that for years. But then there got to

830
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 2: be a point when I kind of got sick of

831
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 2: I really I burned out on it. It was too

832
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 2: much rejection. I had too much energy. The other band

833
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 2: people were too unreliable, and I just kind of stopped

834
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 2: for a couple of years. I put my guitars in

835
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 2: the closet and I stopped, and I started on a novel,

836
00:57:56,600 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 2: which I wrote. But then I saved by Joey Ramone

837
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 2: who called me up. And I hadn't played the guitar

838
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 2: in a long time. And Joey liked my playing because

839
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 2: he had seen me with that all girl band I

840
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 2: mentioned before, and he was looking for a guitar player

841
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 2: to join Ronnie Spector's band because he was working with her,

842
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 2: and he thought I'd be good because he wanted youth

843
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 2: energy in her band rather than just side musicians. So

844
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 2: I flew to Yeah, I flew in, and I was

845
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 2: living in California at the time, actually in San Francisco

846
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 2: with my boyfriend who then became my husband, and I

847
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 2: played with Ronnie for a couple of years. It was

848
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 2: fantastic and I was so happy playing. It's like it

849
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 2: was like a gift. I had been given this gift

850
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 2: of music again that I could play and be happy

851
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 2: and not worry about if I was going to get

852
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 2: a record deal, and not worry about this, and just

853
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 2: have fun on stage. And it was really fantastic. And

854
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 2: I think that that whole experience sort of fed this

855
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 2: les Zeppelin thing because I just wanted to do it

856
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 2: out of pure joy and love with the music. That's it,

857
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 2: that's all. I had no other agenda and no other plans,

858
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 2: and I think that's why it worked.

859
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: Okay, you graduate from college, you want to become a

860
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 1: rock star.

861
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 2: Ultimately, that sounds so cliched, Bob oh no no.

862
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: No headline, no no, no. People don't understand it. Most

863
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: talent is fifty percent the raw desire, you know, and

864
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: especially someone who's educated. Whatever. I mean, it's a dream.

865
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: But my question ultimately is when you decide to put

866
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: the guitar back in the case, how how hard was

867
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: it to give up the dream?

868
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 2: Impossible? Nearly impossible. That's why I wrote a novel. I

869
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 2: had to funnel it into something else that I did

870
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 2: that was creative that I loved. And I hadn't written

871
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 2: a novel before. I'd written lots of stories and some

872
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 2: short stories and stuff, but I just dove into that.

873
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 2: It was like trying to get over a death. I

874
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 2: know that sounds really sort of hyperbolic, but it was

875
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 2: like something died and I just didn't know what to do.

876
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 2: So I wrote, and that was the tonic. It was

877
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 2: the only tonic for me. Really.

878
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: How old were you at that point and what ended

879
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 1: up happening with the novel?

880
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 2: Oh, I can't tell you how old I was, but

881
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 2: you can guess, but you know old enough the novel.

882
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 2: I had an age four it's a pretty good novel.

883
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 2: I mean I did get a very you know, fairly

884
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 2: good literary agent and she helped me head it edited

885
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 2: a little, and she sent it out. She didn't send

886
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 2: it out a lot. She sent it out maybe two

887
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 2: eight to ten publishers and they liked it, but no

888
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 2: one bit. So the novel is still waiting to be read,

889
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 2: and I will. I will get it out there at

890
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 2: some point, but I'm working on another novel now, so

891
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 2: I'm focused on that.

892
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: Okay. At this distance, do you still feel as positive

893
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 1: about the novel or you say, now there was some distance, Well,

894
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:43,959
Speaker 1: it really wasn't that great.

895
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 2: So I'm very, very very hard on myself with everything

896
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 2: I do. I mean writing less so, but I was

897
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 2: very hard on myself with my guitar playing hard. I

898
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:07,919
Speaker 2: still am. I think it's a good novel. I let

899
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 2: someone read it recently and she really loved it, so

900
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it. My mother thought it

901
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 2: was a great novel, so I'll take.

902
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 1: That, okay. And what was it about?

903
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 2: It was about it was kind of a dual story

904
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 2: of well, it's a first novel, right, so there's a

905
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 2: little bit of you know, life experience in there. But

906
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 2: it's about a girl who finds that who's in a

907
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 2: mental institution because she's driven crazy by her pursuit of

908
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 2: being in the music business. Yeah, it comes in, It

909
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 2: comes in big time. But it's also about one of

910
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 2: the nurses in the mental hospital and her whole life,

911
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 2: and the two of them interact and the nurse in

912
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 2: a nuts. The nurse is bereft of any intense, beautiful,

913
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 2: adventurous experience, and she starts to feed off this patient

914
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 2: who tells her all these stories and she gets very

915
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 2: into it.

916
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 1: Okay, we're in this story. Do you meet the gentleman

917
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 1: that becomes your husband? And how hard was it to

918
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 1: move to San Francisco And what was that like?

919
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I met him. You will laugh at this.

920
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 2: I will meet him. While I was writing for the Enemy,

921
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 2: and I was in New York and I was sent

922
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 2: to review or I pitched it one or the other.

923
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 2: I was set to review a gig by the Dead Kennedys,

924
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 2: who were playing in New York City. Okay, so I

925
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 2: went to this show which was at this place called

926
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 2: the World, and it was crumbling. It was like a

927
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 2: crumbling ballroom and I was standing at the back and

928
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 2: coming up the steps and the banister. It wasn't me

929
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 2: who did it, but the banister behind me at some

930
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 2: point fell off the wall like and just like half

931
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 2: the wall fell down, and this was one of the

932
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 2: guys that went to rush and help with it. I

933
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 2: saw him. He looked like someone I knew, so I

934
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 2: was kind of looking at him, and he looked back

935
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 2: at me and we just started talking. You bought me

936
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 2: a ginger ale.

937
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 1: So how did you end up moving to San Francisco?

938
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 2: Well, so this guy, you know, we were friendly. He

939
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 2: was very easy going at the time, and it was

940
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 2: it was nice and we'd go to gigs and stuff

941
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 2: like that. So we were compatible in that way eventually.

942
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 2: And I have to say this, it's when you live

943
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 2: in New York. A lot of relationship decisions are made

944
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 2: because of apartments, like who can afford an apartment by

945
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 2: themselves and who needs a roommate? And if you happen

946
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 2: to be seeing somebody and you need an apartment, which

947
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 2: is what happened, you are then thrust into this mega

948
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 2: decision do I move in with this person? And you know,

949
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 2: everyone knows once you move in with someone, it's pretty

950
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 2: hard to move out, So that's kind of what happened

951
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 2: to us, and we just stayed together and we didn't

952
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 2: get married or anything. But he was a union organizer

953
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 2: or would be, and he did that for a while,

954
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 2: and then he went back to college to finish his degree.

955
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 2: He never had his degree. Smart guy, but never So

956
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 2: he went to Columbia, got his degree, did so well

957
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 2: that he got into law school. And the law school

958
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 2: he got into was Stanford, and I thought he should

959
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 2: go to Stanford rather than Chicago. I don't know if

960
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 2: that was a good choice, but San Francisco was nicer

961
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 2: weather than Chicago. I think I was more interested in

962
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 2: being there, and he let you know, so we went there.

963
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 2: That's how I ended up in California and stayed there

964
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 2: for a while.

965
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 1: Okay, when you're playing in Ronnie Spector's band, are you

966
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 1: living in California or do you move back to New York.

967
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 1: I was.

968
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 2: I was going living in both places. I would fly in.

969
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 2: My parents had an apartment that they in the village,

970
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 2: and I could stay there. So I had a way

971
01:06:57,120 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 2: to do it. And I wasn't making any money because

972
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 2: you know, he was not going to be her manager,

973
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 2: was not going to pay my airfare, and I didn't

974
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 2: want to make it seem it was too hard for

975
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:12,920
Speaker 2: me to do the show because I was having so

976
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 2: much fun and it was such a gift that I

977
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 2: just wanted to play. So I'd fly myself back and

978
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 2: forth and basically break even, but it was super fun.

979
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 2: So I was kind of by coastal.

980
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 1: How long did you play for Ronnie Specter and what

981
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 1: did you learn there?

982
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 2: I played with her for a couple of years and

983
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 2: we had a couple of amazing shows. We played at

984
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,920
Speaker 2: a G eight conference for like the leaders of the

985
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 2: Western world. That was amazing. You know, Bill Clinton clapping

986
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 2: to be my baby. It was just something to behold.

987
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 2: We went to Japan, just a lot of fun stuff.

988
01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 2: I learned a lot from her. We had some gigs

989
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 2: here and there where they were small clubs, and you know, Bob,

990
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 2: you know how big a star she was. She was huge.

991
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 2: The ronettes were huge, And there she was in some

992
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 2: club where she had a change behind a screen or something,

993
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 2: and it could not have been fun for her to

994
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 2: do that, but I'm telling you, when she got out there,

995
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 2: no matter where she was, she gave it everything and

996
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 2: she was amazing. Her voice was still amazing. She gave

997
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 2: it people a show and she turned up and I

998
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 2: just thought, damn, you know, that's that's a big lesson.

999
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 2: Doesn't matter who's it out there, you just that's your

1000
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:47,720
Speaker 2: job and you do it. And she was a real

1001
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 2: show person, you know, she was great. So I learned

1002
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:54,679
Speaker 2: about that too, how to work a stage a little,

1003
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 2: you know.

1004
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 1: So how did that end?

1005
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 2: Well, we went to Japan, and after that I kind

1006
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:09,040
Speaker 2: of was getting the feeling that they were sick of

1007
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 2: being uncertain and flying, you know, worrying whether I could

1008
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 2: fly from here or from there because I had a

1009
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 2: fly you know. So they wanted a more New York

1010
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:20,559
Speaker 2: based band, and they probably wanted to pay somebody less,

1011
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 2: to be honest with you whatever. And coincidentally, I was

1012
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:29,680
Speaker 2: pregnant the first time, so it all worked out. I

1013
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:30,759
Speaker 2: was done with it anyway.

1014
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:33,280
Speaker 1: So how'd you end up back in New York?

1015
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 2: Well, I thought it would be better to be in

1016
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:42,719
Speaker 2: New York to be because I had this amazing little kid,

1017
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 2: and my parents had no grandchildren, and I missed New York.

1018
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:48,720
Speaker 2: San Francisco was you know, not doing it for me.

1019
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 2: I was done. I was over. It wasn't mine.

1020
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 1: Yet yes, but you're involved with this man who's going

1021
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:57,639
Speaker 1: to Stanford law school. As he moved back to New York.

1022
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:00,120
Speaker 2: Oh, he was done. He was done with law. With

1023
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 2: law school. He was working in a firm, and he

1024
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 2: got a job at a big New York firm, which

1025
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 2: didn't last long. But that's what happened. So he was willing,

1026
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 2: although I think he didn't. I think he didn't really

1027
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 2: want to leave. And I think that that and I

1028
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:20,560
Speaker 2: kept asking him because I could tell, but he consisted

1029
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:24,280
Speaker 2: he was fine. But I think that was one of

1030
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 2: the reasons our relationship sort of went a different way.

1031
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 2: He should have stayed.

1032
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 1: Who blew the whistle? Ultimately him? Were you?

1033
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 2: I think you know.

1034
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 1: It was no, never mutual.

1035
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 2: No, but we grew apart. We grew apart. I probably

1036
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 2: realized at first. He realized it pretty quickly and even

1037
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 2: said it to me. So I don't know how to

1038
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 2: answer that question.

1039
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 1: It was important. Yeah, yeah, So are you having this

1040
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 1: child sitting steering in four a wall saying God, I

1041
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:10,799
Speaker 1: got to do something. What is the genesis of the thought?

1042
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 1: And then why is it led Zeppelin?

1043
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:20,799
Speaker 2: Okay, this is the great, great, great question. So without

1044
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 2: trying to be too wordy. I have a problem with

1045
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:33,080
Speaker 2: that sometimes. I never wanted children, ever, not interested. In fact,

1046
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 2: I kind of thought it was a feminist thing, like

1047
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 2: women were destroyed by children they'd have. I had friends

1048
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 2: that went to medical school and business school and then

1049
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:47,599
Speaker 2: they had a kid and threw it all out the window.

1050
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 2: So I was frightened of that whole thing. I thought,

1051
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 2: you become some sort of zombie, a kid zombie, and

1052
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 2: that's it. Everything is, all your interests are gone, your

1053
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:01,439
Speaker 2: life is over all you can about is this toddler

1054
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 2: or something. So it never interested me. But at the

1055
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 2: end of the day, I think I felt, do I

1056
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 2: really want to go through life without any kids at all?

1057
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:19,879
Speaker 2: And I wasn't sure. So not being sure was the sticker.

1058
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:23,840
Speaker 2: The fact that I wasn't sure meant I either had

1059
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 2: a move or it be made. This is the decision

1060
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 2: would be made for me. So I said, all right,

1061
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 2: we'll see what happens. Let's just see, and bingo, that's

1062
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 2: what happened pretty fast. So I was frightened to death

1063
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 2: when I you know, when I realized I was going

1064
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 2: to have this kid, I was scared because I thought

1065
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 2: this was going to happen to me zombie land. Well,

1066
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 2: guess what I have this little guy, and I have

1067
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 2: to say he was a great zen baby. He was amazing.

1068
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 2: But I did not feel trapped. In fact, lo and behold,

1069
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 2: the exact opposite happened. I felt empowered by this thing,

1070
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 2: totally more empowered than I'd ever felt. So I would

1071
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:22,600
Speaker 2: have to say that just to cut to your question. No,

1072
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:33,480
Speaker 2: I I was thoroughly enjoying my kids, but also empowered

1073
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:36,559
Speaker 2: to do things that I wanted to do, and I

1074
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 2: felt I could do them both. It was a lot

1075
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:43,679
Speaker 2: of entery, it was difficult, but I did do them both.

1076
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 2: So No, I wasn't staring at four walls. I was

1077
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:51,639
Speaker 2: totally engaged. It's just that this thing was still there.

1078
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:54,799
Speaker 2: I wanted to do it, and I felt good about

1079
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:57,880
Speaker 2: everything I fell. Oh, I'll cut a bunch of things out,

1080
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:00,880
Speaker 2: like spending time with people who don't interest me, and

1081
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:03,960
Speaker 2: I'll form a band. You know, it's like you sort

1082
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:05,519
Speaker 2: of have to give and take a little.

1083
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 1: Okay, how long from that thought until you settle on

1084
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 1: the concept of leeds Zeppelin.

1085
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 2: Well, let's see, my first was about three and we

1086
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:22,800
Speaker 2: were in New York, so he was two and a

1087
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 2: half two and a half ish three, so we were

1088
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 2: pretty settled in you know that we had some help.

1089
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 2: So it seemed like I could go play a gig.

1090
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 2: Why not play a gig on a weekend. And you know,

1091
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 2: my partner was very he was supportive. He wasn't threatened

1092
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 2: by it or anything. He thought why not. It was

1093
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 2: so it was supposed to be some little, you know,

1094
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 2: fifty buck a week, you know thing or fifty buck

1095
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:57,439
Speaker 2: a month, little escapade where I'd have to work really

1096
01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 2: hard to practice, but it would be fun. And then

1097
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 2: it turned into something more. And then you know, I

1098
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:07,840
Speaker 2: had to decide whether I was going to keep doing

1099
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 2: it or bow out because I had kids. But I

1100
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 2: didn't bow out. I thought, why bow out, I'll just

1101
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 2: take them with me, or I'll work around it, or

1102
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:26,160
Speaker 2: I'll go weekends. It didn't occur to me that I

1103
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:30,479
Speaker 2: couldn't do it all, I guess, and I think a

1104
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 2: lot of people make that assumption. They think, oh, I

1105
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:38,759
Speaker 2: can't do that because I have kids. It's like, well,

1106
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 2: sure you can. You just you know, you have to

1107
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:43,639
Speaker 2: have the energy to do it, but sure you can.

1108
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 2: So that's kind of how it was. Really.

1109
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 1: So you decide you want to do something. Do you

1110
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 1: decide on other things or is it immediately less Zeppelin?

1111
01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 2: Well, this was the thing that was. I just wanted

1112
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 2: to play. I had the itch to play, so that's

1113
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:07,479
Speaker 2: why I went in that direction. I wanted to not

1114
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:12,240
Speaker 2: at that point be Jimmy Page that came later, but

1115
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 2: I was enamored of his let's just say genius and

1116
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 2: I wanted to get those riffs. I wanted to dig

1117
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 2: into what he was doing, which was so encompassing of

1118
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 2: so many things. That's all I just wanted to play.

1119
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:36,360
Speaker 1: Okay, you decide you want to play. It could have

1120
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 1: been a Beatles cover band, could have been an e

1121
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 1: Loo cover band. How long and what was the process

1122
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 1: signing no, it's going to be led Zeppelin or was

1123
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 1: that a very.

1124
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 2: First Okay, so no, it couldn't have been any of

1125
01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:52,920
Speaker 2: those others, because I know this is going to sound weird.

1126
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 2: I had no idea what a tribute band was. I'd

1127
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 2: never been in one. I didn't know they existed. To

1128
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 2: be honest, I know that it's only after I started

1129
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 2: this band that another tribute band wrote I don't consider

1130
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 2: us a tribute band, which we can get into in

1131
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 2: a minute, but wrote to us saying, hey, welcome to

1132
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:20,880
Speaker 2: the world of tribute bands or whatever it was. And

1133
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:24,200
Speaker 2: I was horrified because this was not what I had

1134
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:28,640
Speaker 2: in mind. I did not decide, oh, I'm going to

1135
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:33,880
Speaker 2: play someone's music and go out there and maybe make money.

1136
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 2: What music can I play? It was totally the reverse.

1137
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 2: It was like, I just want to be in led Zeppelin.

1138
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 1: That's it. Okay, okay, so you were a led Zeppelin fan. Yeah,

1139
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:54,320
Speaker 1: how did you become a led Zeppelin fan?

1140
01:17:56,280 --> 01:18:00,280
Speaker 2: Well, honestly, it wasn't until a little later, or I

1141
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 2: was not. I had some of their albums growing up,

1142
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:10,320
Speaker 2: but I wasn't a huge fan until I don't know,

1143
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 2: I guess maybe thirty in my thirties or something, when

1144
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:21,320
Speaker 2: I was starting to get more exposed to their music

1145
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:25,680
Speaker 2: through some band members, and I just couldn't believe. And

1146
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 2: then and then I started listening to it, and my

1147
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 2: mother in law bought me the box set for Christmas,

1148
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:35,840
Speaker 2: and that was it for me. You know, all the albums.

1149
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:40,040
Speaker 2: That was the rabbit hole. I just I just fell

1150
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 2: into the rabbit hole and I just thought, you know,

1151
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 2: this music is kind of a lot better than everything

1152
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 2: else I've been listening to I've been playing, it's just

1153
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:59,640
Speaker 2: a lot better. And I just was absolutely hooked. And

1154
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:01,240
Speaker 2: that's what and I became more obsessed with it.

1155
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:05,160
Speaker 1: Okay, so you get these other three girls together. LED's

1156
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:07,320
Speaker 1: up when not all their music sounds the same? How

1157
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:08,559
Speaker 1: do you decide what you're gonna play?

1158
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:15,600
Speaker 2: Ah? Good question. Well, some of some of it was,

1159
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:20,240
Speaker 2: you know, let's start with the basics, let's let's let's

1160
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:24,200
Speaker 2: take the canon and do this sort of necessary songs,

1161
01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:26,519
Speaker 2: and then you had to look at them and see

1162
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:31,120
Speaker 2: if it was possible to do now. Luckily, and this

1163
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:36,240
Speaker 2: was a bit of magic just when I was starting

1164
01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:40,240
Speaker 2: this band, that How the West was one CD and

1165
01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:44,840
Speaker 2: DVD came out. It was like a godsend because the

1166
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:53,280
Speaker 2: DVD was like a playbook literally to how they were

1167
01:19:53,320 --> 01:20:00,559
Speaker 2: handled it as four people. So I I could see

1168
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 2: what lines Jimmy picked to play out of the ten

1169
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 2: guitar layers. We could see how they finished songs that

1170
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 2: trailed out on a record, what do they do? We

1171
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 2: had this whole guy set before us, like you know,

1172
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:23,439
Speaker 2: the Book of Mormon or something, so that was really handy.

1173
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 2: So a lot of the songs we started with were

1174
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 2: those songs that we could sort of have a guide too,

1175
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:35,240
Speaker 2: but it was a pretty basic setlist and if we

1176
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:37,679
Speaker 2: found stuff was too hardly, you know, like we didn't

1177
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:43,880
Speaker 2: start off playing four sticks or Achilles Last Stand or something.

1178
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:47,360
Speaker 2: We got to that eventually, but much later.

1179
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 1: Okay, As you say, you're a four piece and always

1180
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:04,639
Speaker 1: have been without extra players, how hard and how long

1181
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 1: did it take you to learn to play those parts?

1182
01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:09,919
Speaker 1: You know, you're carrying almost a complete band. It's essentially

1183
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 1: a trio with a lead singer.

1184
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:16,559
Speaker 2: That's right, and I've always loved that. You know, Cream

1185
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:19,599
Speaker 2: was my other favorite band. It is it's basically a

1186
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:26,760
Speaker 2: power trio, which means the guitar it's totally naked. I

1187
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:30,519
Speaker 2: mean you're playing solos over just bass and drums most

1188
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:33,679
Speaker 2: of the time. There's no rhythm guitar, there's nothing, there's

1189
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:39,520
Speaker 2: no safety net man, nothing just out there and it's formidable.

1190
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 2: But you know, that's what got me, That's what intrigued me.

1191
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:47,960
Speaker 2: I wanted to be that kind of play. I wanted

1192
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:50,599
Speaker 2: to do that. It was. It was hard, though, it

1193
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:55,400
Speaker 2: took me just I don't know if I could put

1194
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:57,559
Speaker 2: a time on it, because I think I'm still learning

1195
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 2: to be honest with you. But I think about five

1196
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:05,639
Speaker 2: or six months before I felt I could really step

1197
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 2: on a stage and deliver something with integrity. I didn't

1198
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:16,120
Speaker 2: want to just play it. It had to have integrity

1199
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:21,320
Speaker 2: in its other dimensions. So maybe six months and then

1200
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 2: it took a few years of really digging down to

1201
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:31,240
Speaker 2: keep getting better and better and better. But I've watched,

1202
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 2: you know, my own playing change, and you know, it

1203
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 2: would stay at a certain level and then leap up

1204
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:40,679
Speaker 2: a little, and then leap up a little. So it's

1205
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:42,800
Speaker 2: just kind of like that. That's the way it is.

1206
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 2: And I still think I can get better, you know,

1207
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 2: I'm hoping.

1208
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 1: Okay, you know, today we have the internet that goes

1209
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:55,120
Speaker 1: deep into how they made all these records, but you're

1210
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 1: starting before that becomes a really big thing. I mean

1211
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:01,439
Speaker 1: you're listening to the records. Yeah, to a degree, you

1212
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:03,160
Speaker 1: have how the West was won, and you could see

1213
01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 1: what guitar is playing, But how do you figure out

1214
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:10,760
Speaker 1: how to actually replicate those sounds with the guitar, with

1215
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 1: the effect, with the amps, with all the other elements

1216
01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:14,760
Speaker 1: that go in.

1217
01:23:16,040 --> 01:23:20,720
Speaker 2: Ah that honestly, by ear, I sat there like an

1218
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:27,559
Speaker 2: bloodite with the CD or the record or there was Spotify. Well,

1219
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:29,080
Speaker 2: I don't even know what it was on. I could

1220
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:33,559
Speaker 2: get it somewhere. I don't remember how I kept repeating it,

1221
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:37,080
Speaker 2: but I would literally sit and repeat it and play

1222
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 2: it and backwind and replay it, and you know, just

1223
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:46,559
Speaker 2: over and over and over, and then I'd start to

1224
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 2: hear something different in it, so I'd realize, Aha, there's that,

1225
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:55,360
Speaker 2: and aha, there's that, and he's wiggling the note here

1226
01:23:55,560 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 2: not there. Like it was all just literally by ear

1227
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:04,000
Speaker 2: and a little bit by watching. But you know those

1228
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:06,719
Speaker 2: videos that they're not all on his fingers. You can't

1229
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 2: learn it by it's all over the place. So and

1230
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:15,200
Speaker 2: I used a little bit of tablature to get me oriented.

1231
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 2: But a lot of the time the tablature is wrong,

1232
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:21,160
Speaker 2: so you listen to it and it's like, no, that's

1233
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 2: not it, you know. But that's how I play by ear,

1234
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:27,200
Speaker 2: And it's very old fashioned, but I think it's the

1235
01:24:27,240 --> 01:24:30,720
Speaker 2: way that Jimmy Page learned to play or and Eric

1236
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 2: Clapton and all those guys. So it was kind of

1237
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:38,280
Speaker 2: in the style of what they did. It was really

1238
01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:41,000
Speaker 2: not very technical technically, going.

1239
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:43,280
Speaker 1: Okay, you're learning by ear since you went to this

1240
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:46,360
Speaker 1: summer camp for two years. Did you learn how to

1241
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:47,080
Speaker 1: read music?

1242
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:53,320
Speaker 2: Well? Not really. No, I can't really read music. I

1243
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:55,599
Speaker 2: can read a little piano music on the right hand,

1244
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:57,840
Speaker 2: because I took some piano lessons when I was little.

1245
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:02,000
Speaker 2: But maybe if I really tried to get it back,

1246
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:05,759
Speaker 2: I could read a little. But music on the guitar,

1247
01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:09,840
Speaker 2: like if it's not tab, it's just insanely hard because

1248
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:13,360
Speaker 2: there are so many positions for the same notes, and

1249
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:19,080
Speaker 2: that would be useless to me, absolutely useless. The TAB

1250
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:21,920
Speaker 2: I could get through a little bit, but I don't

1251
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:23,080
Speaker 2: read it that well either.

1252
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:29,920
Speaker 1: Okay, how much equipment do you need to replicate Jimmy

1253
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:32,960
Speaker 1: Page's sound? I mean he had the last ball, he

1254
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 1: had the Gibson with the two necks. How much did

1255
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:37,559
Speaker 1: you need and how much do you have?

1256
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:43,240
Speaker 2: So this is kind of a trick question. As I said,

1257
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:48,000
Speaker 2: I had the basic thing. I did not have all

1258
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:51,600
Speaker 2: of his stacks. I had one martial amp. It was

1259
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:55,240
Speaker 2: a JCM eight hundred because I could overdrive it. And

1260
01:25:57,479 --> 01:26:00,760
Speaker 2: I do have a Plexi as well, but it's it

1261
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:04,360
Speaker 2: doesn't have a master volume, and it's just way too loud.

1262
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:08,800
Speaker 2: And to get Jimmy sound, it has to be way

1263
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:11,880
Speaker 2: too loud. I mean, it's got to be up at eight.

1264
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 2: I know what his settings are, and it's just and

1265
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:21,519
Speaker 2: his amp was more beefed up, so you're not really

1266
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 2: going to get that tone he's going to get unless

1267
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:27,000
Speaker 2: you can do that. So you have to just sort

1268
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:31,639
Speaker 2: of get as close as you can by overdriving it.

1269
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 2: But you can't overdrive it that much because he didn't

1270
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:38,080
Speaker 2: play like modern guitars. He didn't play with all that

1271
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 2: dirt and overdrive, which basically means you can play with

1272
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 2: your left hand and you don't even have to pick

1273
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:49,120
Speaker 2: the note. You know, most modern guitarists are so in

1274
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:54,559
Speaker 2: this sound sort of whirlwind that it's just a very

1275
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:58,639
Speaker 2: different tech style. I mean, Jimmy was playing all of it.

1276
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:03,280
Speaker 2: It's super hard. So you've got the amp, and I

1277
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:07,280
Speaker 2: just copied what he had, which was not much. It's

1278
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:12,880
Speaker 2: basically a wah it's I had like this Kate. I

1279
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:16,439
Speaker 2: had this Klon type pedal to push it a little,

1280
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:23,479
Speaker 2: a Phase ninety, an mx R a Phase ninety, and

1281
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:30,200
Speaker 2: I did have one other. What did I have that's

1282
01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:34,639
Speaker 2: really I mean, that's mostly it and an echoplex, sorry,

1283
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 2: an echoplex, and I had the old echoplex, the tape

1284
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:42,960
Speaker 2: echoplex and a theremin. Yeah, I did his whole thing.

1285
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 2: But that is basically what you have to work with.

1286
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:49,400
Speaker 2: If you want to sound like Jimmy Page, you have

1287
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:53,760
Speaker 2: to you have to learn to play the notes like

1288
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:57,880
Speaker 2: he played them, and that is how you sound like him.

1289
01:27:58,160 --> 01:28:00,120
Speaker 2: No equipment's going to make you sound like it.

1290
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:03,719
Speaker 1: So how'd you end up working with Eddie Kramer?

1291
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:09,719
Speaker 2: Again? It was another like crazy balls out steph moment

1292
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:12,920
Speaker 2: where I said to our manager we were going to

1293
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:17,280
Speaker 2: make a record, and we were making lists of producers,

1294
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:19,720
Speaker 2: and I just said, you know, I always used to

1295
01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:22,240
Speaker 2: joke with the girls about Eddie Kramer. Why don't you

1296
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:25,000
Speaker 2: know Eddie Kramer Shoot's going to come and produce a record?

1297
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 2: And they'd laugh at me. So I said to Alan,

1298
01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:31,680
Speaker 2: who was our manager, go, I don't know, should you

1299
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:36,120
Speaker 2: ask him? He goes, I'll ask him. Couldn't hurt to ask, right,

1300
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:39,960
Speaker 2: So he called him up and he asked him, and

1301
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 2: Eddie checked out our stuff and he thought, I guess

1302
01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:46,439
Speaker 2: we were good enough. So I'm sitting in my office

1303
01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 2: one day with a guitar and the phone rings as

1304
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:53,120
Speaker 2: they did then, and I picked it up and he goes, oh, hello,

1305
01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:55,880
Speaker 2: it's Eddie Kramer, and you know, I nearly fell off

1306
01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:59,639
Speaker 2: my chair because bingo, that was it. I just said

1307
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:04,639
Speaker 2: skin and he did it. So he came to New York.

1308
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 2: We put him up and he produced this record, this

1309
01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:07,839
Speaker 2: first record.

1310
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:11,360
Speaker 1: What was it like? Would you learn working with Eddie Kreamer?

1311
01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 2: I'll say there were some surreal moments, you know how

1312
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:20,760
Speaker 2: on Physical Graffiti, which we have had discussed where in

1313
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 2: a Black Country Woman before that track, there's the you

1314
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:27,800
Speaker 2: know Robert going, oh, there's Eddie. You got to get

1315
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:30,639
Speaker 2: the those planes off right? He says this thing right,

1316
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:33,840
Speaker 2: So we would joke about that. But do you know

1317
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:36,720
Speaker 2: what it felt like to have that voice in the

1318
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:42,479
Speaker 2: control room saying rolling I mean like literally rolling nuts?

1319
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:42,920
Speaker 1: Right?

1320
01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:46,200
Speaker 2: It was just like I'd entered some other dimension of

1321
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:51,679
Speaker 2: notting a crazy Zeppelin vortex. The one thing I will

1322
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:54,479
Speaker 2: tell you, And he was great. He was very nice

1323
01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:58,000
Speaker 2: to us. Maybe not so nice to some of the

1324
01:29:58,040 --> 01:30:01,440
Speaker 2: other people in the studio, but he was nice to us.

1325
01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:05,559
Speaker 2: That's all I'll say about that. But there was one

1326
01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:09,960
Speaker 2: day when and this was a devil death day, when

1327
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:14,519
Speaker 2: I realized it was the guitar solo day, that I

1328
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:17,200
Speaker 2: was going to go in just me and Eddie and

1329
01:30:17,240 --> 01:30:20,200
Speaker 2: I was going to play all the solos, and I'm

1330
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:23,479
Speaker 2: telling you, Bob, I nearly threw up. I mean I

1331
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:26,880
Speaker 2: was like, am I out of my mind? I was like,

1332
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:31,480
Speaker 2: what am I thinking? This guy sat with Jimmy Hendricks

1333
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:36,080
Speaker 2: for his old career, this guy sat with Jimmy Page

1334
01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:39,000
Speaker 2: and whoever else, And I'm going to go in and

1335
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:42,120
Speaker 2: I'm going to play the solos. I was like, I'm

1336
01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:45,479
Speaker 2: out forget about. This is crazy. And I don't know

1337
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:48,599
Speaker 2: what I did push ups or something, and I had

1338
01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:51,479
Speaker 2: no choice. I had to go and do it. So

1339
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:57,080
Speaker 2: I went in, you know, scared to death, and it

1340
01:30:57,160 --> 01:30:59,280
Speaker 2: was just me and him. We spent an hour or

1341
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:01,960
Speaker 2: two finding the right amp because Jimmy didn't use the

1342
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:06,240
Speaker 2: Marshall to play the solos, you know, the supro maybe

1343
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:10,559
Speaker 2: some other stuff. But we found this crazy little amp

1344
01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:15,719
Speaker 2: which was a vox Nova, which is not a guitar

1345
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:19,200
Speaker 2: amp at all. It's actually an amp for horns, if

1346
01:31:19,240 --> 01:31:21,600
Speaker 2: that makes any sense. It's a weird little amp, but

1347
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:24,160
Speaker 2: it sounded great. You turn it all the way up

1348
01:31:24,160 --> 01:31:27,759
Speaker 2: and it just had the right crunch and something about

1349
01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:32,439
Speaker 2: the tone. So I basically we chose that, and I

1350
01:31:32,479 --> 01:31:38,919
Speaker 2: think the first song I tried to play was Communication Breakdown.

1351
01:31:41,439 --> 01:31:44,320
Speaker 2: So I went into this. I wed in and there's

1352
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:47,920
Speaker 2: Eddie Kramer and there's Roland, you know, and I just

1353
01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:53,800
Speaker 2: played the solo and I actually played it okay, and

1354
01:31:54,200 --> 01:31:58,360
Speaker 2: he stopped after it. He goes, come in here. I

1355
01:31:58,360 --> 01:32:01,320
Speaker 2: think that's it. I'm like, you don't want me to

1356
01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:04,280
Speaker 2: do it again. He's like, come out here, and he

1357
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:08,280
Speaker 2: played it. He goes, you did it, that's it. One take.

1358
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:11,120
Speaker 2: He goes, I'll tell you something. He said. I wasn't

1359
01:32:11,160 --> 01:32:13,280
Speaker 2: sure you could do this. He goes, but you can

1360
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:16,160
Speaker 2: do it. So after that we were good.

1361
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:21,439
Speaker 1: Okay, tell me about meeting Jimmy Page.

1362
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:26,040
Speaker 2: Oh okay, this could be a whole podcast and of itself.

1363
01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:31,280
Speaker 2: So it took ten years before I actually met Jimmy,

1364
01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:37,320
Speaker 2: which is probably good actually, because I was so in

1365
01:32:37,439 --> 01:32:42,000
Speaker 2: Jimmy world that, you know, it's probably good. It took

1366
01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:44,559
Speaker 2: ten years, but I met him at the when I

1367
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:46,720
Speaker 2: didn't know I was really going to meet him. It

1368
01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:51,920
Speaker 2: was the last minute. My friend had an extra ticket.

1369
01:32:51,960 --> 01:32:54,280
Speaker 2: My friend who knows Jimmy and who's worked with him

1370
01:32:54,280 --> 01:32:56,880
Speaker 2: and is a con vintage guitar dealer. He had an

1371
01:32:56,920 --> 01:33:03,280
Speaker 2: extra ticket to the premiere of Celebration Day in New

1372
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:09,799
Speaker 2: York at the zig Field Theater. Did I want to go? Damn? Yeah,

1373
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:12,360
Speaker 2: this is a half an hour before the show or something.

1374
01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:17,160
Speaker 2: I didn't even you know, and I realized I might

1375
01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:19,240
Speaker 2: actually meet Jimmy, who knows. I don't know, but I

1376
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:22,679
Speaker 2: had to get dressed, throw something on race down there

1377
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:27,280
Speaker 2: we saw the thing, you know, Jimmy and Robert, they

1378
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:29,240
Speaker 2: all came in the room, and just then being in

1379
01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:32,640
Speaker 2: the room was amazing. But then we got to go

1380
01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:39,799
Speaker 2: to the after party and I thought, okay, you'll probably

1381
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:42,120
Speaker 2: walk in. I'll get a chance finally to meet him.

1382
01:33:42,160 --> 01:33:45,280
Speaker 2: So Jimmy finally comes in after about an hour. I've

1383
01:33:45,320 --> 01:33:47,759
Speaker 2: been hanging out with Joan Jet at the bar, talking

1384
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:51,960
Speaker 2: about women in music, which is very interesting, and about

1385
01:33:52,040 --> 01:33:56,519
Speaker 2: you know, being a girl guitar player. So Jimmy comes

1386
01:33:56,560 --> 01:34:00,760
Speaker 2: in and this friend of mine grab me and says,

1387
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:02,800
Speaker 2: we got to get him before he gets lost in

1388
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:09,200
Speaker 2: this crowd. So we pulls me up, shoves me in

1389
01:34:09,240 --> 01:34:12,000
Speaker 2: front of him and says, Jimmy, this is Steph from

1390
01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:15,840
Speaker 2: Les Zeppelin, and Jimmy stops and he turns and he

1391
01:34:15,880 --> 01:34:21,479
Speaker 2: looks at me and he's like, oh wow, great to

1392
01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:25,120
Speaker 2: finally meet you, like, oh my god, thank god, like

1393
01:34:25,160 --> 01:34:31,639
Speaker 2: he actually knows the band and is big hug, right,

1394
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:36,400
Speaker 2: big hug. And we stand back and I say, Jimmy,

1395
01:34:36,439 --> 01:34:38,439
Speaker 2: you know, I got to tell you, and I don't

1396
01:34:38,439 --> 01:34:40,839
Speaker 2: know how I thought of this. He said, it's really

1397
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:45,160
Speaker 2: hard being you and he just laughed and he goes,

1398
01:34:45,320 --> 01:34:48,200
Speaker 2: it is. I said, yeah it is. He goes, yeah,

1399
01:34:48,240 --> 01:34:50,719
Speaker 2: I know it is. And we had this crazy life

1400
01:34:51,200 --> 01:34:53,960
Speaker 2: because it was he knew I meant more than just

1401
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:57,599
Speaker 2: playing the guitar and all this stuff. It was everything about,

1402
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:01,439
Speaker 2: you know, being the Jimmy person. And then he said

1403
01:35:01,439 --> 01:35:05,000
Speaker 2: to me, you know what you're doing out there is

1404
01:35:05,080 --> 01:35:11,400
Speaker 2: really great. It's stunning, especially the first album, and I was,

1405
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:15,200
Speaker 2: oh my god, he knows the albums like this is.

1406
01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:17,439
Speaker 2: And then I got to say to him how much

1407
01:35:17,479 --> 01:35:20,240
Speaker 2: his music meant to me and how much love it's

1408
01:35:20,280 --> 01:35:22,760
Speaker 2: brought into my life, and we just stared at each

1409
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:27,200
Speaker 2: other like love birds. I was fuck because we both

1410
01:35:27,240 --> 01:35:30,840
Speaker 2: have the same love, you know, led Zeppelin, and it

1411
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:36,479
Speaker 2: was just an instant. Yeah, we were soulmate, we're friends.

1412
01:35:36,520 --> 01:35:38,760
Speaker 2: This is it. So then he came around the room.

1413
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:42,479
Speaker 2: I was like done, I didn't need anything after that,

1414
01:35:42,760 --> 01:35:45,280
Speaker 2: but he did come around the room and someone else

1415
01:35:45,360 --> 01:35:47,559
Speaker 2: dragged me over and said, Jimmy, you got to see

1416
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:50,400
Speaker 2: her band, and we both I was like, no, he knows,

1417
01:35:50,439 --> 01:35:53,320
Speaker 2: it's fine, it's fine. But then we talked for like

1418
01:35:53,760 --> 01:35:58,360
Speaker 2: fifteen twenty minutes and it was it was great. It

1419
01:35:58,479 --> 01:36:02,599
Speaker 2: was really just he was so friendly and it was

1420
01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:07,400
Speaker 2: clearly we liked each other. And I told him, I said, Jimmy,

1421
01:36:07,439 --> 01:36:10,960
Speaker 2: you know we we got you got to see us.

1422
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:12,479
Speaker 2: We have to come to England. Goes yeah, I know,

1423
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:14,880
Speaker 2: you guys. Last time you were here, I wasn't there.

1424
01:36:14,920 --> 01:36:17,240
Speaker 2: I wasn't in town. I said, well, we'll come again.

1425
01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:22,920
Speaker 2: So after that night, first thing I did is I

1426
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:25,960
Speaker 2: called this guy in England who was trying to book

1427
01:36:26,040 --> 01:36:31,240
Speaker 2: us a tour who wildly underpaid. I mean, I couldn't

1428
01:36:31,240 --> 01:36:33,720
Speaker 2: even do it because it was no money in it.

1429
01:36:33,880 --> 01:36:37,000
Speaker 2: But I called him and I said, look, we got

1430
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:39,280
Speaker 2: to come to England. You know, we got to do it.

1431
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:42,960
Speaker 2: Can you can you arrange it? And he came back

1432
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:47,439
Speaker 2: the next day with a small tour which which started

1433
01:36:47,479 --> 01:36:50,320
Speaker 2: off with the Isle of Wight. We played at the

1434
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:53,880
Speaker 2: Isle of Wight. It was it was like I'm telling you,

1435
01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:58,120
Speaker 2: it was nuts. And the next day this is a

1436
01:36:58,120 --> 01:37:00,400
Speaker 2: whole funny story, but you know, I've been I've been

1437
01:37:00,439 --> 01:37:04,439
Speaker 2: sending Jimmy messages or his office telling him when we

1438
01:37:04,439 --> 01:37:09,920
Speaker 2: were going to be there, and he didn't respond to

1439
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:14,360
Speaker 2: me at that point, so I didn't know if he

1440
01:37:14,439 --> 01:37:16,880
Speaker 2: even knew. But we were coming back from the Isle

1441
01:37:16,920 --> 01:37:21,559
Speaker 2: of Wight and we were in the van on the

1442
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:24,280
Speaker 2: way to London where we played at this place called

1443
01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:30,640
Speaker 2: the Garage or the Garage, and I open up my

1444
01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:33,080
Speaker 2: little flip phone, you know how it used to be

1445
01:37:33,160 --> 01:37:35,760
Speaker 2: where when you're overseas you have to get one of

1446
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:39,960
Speaker 2: those Motorola flip phones where you poke at the at

1447
01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:45,520
Speaker 2: the anyway. And I see a message and the message

1448
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:52,559
Speaker 2: says love Jimmy XOXO. And I look at it and

1449
01:37:52,600 --> 01:37:56,360
Speaker 2: I'm exhausted, right, and I say love Jimmy, and my

1450
01:37:56,600 --> 01:38:03,400
Speaker 2: drummer Lisa, looks over at me and says, steph Jimmy,

1451
01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:06,760
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh oh, and I like go

1452
01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:09,799
Speaker 2: into the messages, and sure enough there was this whole

1453
01:38:09,880 --> 01:38:13,280
Speaker 2: other message and he forgot to sign his name, so

1454
01:38:13,479 --> 01:38:15,640
Speaker 2: the one message said love Jimmy. But then there was

1455
01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:18,640
Speaker 2: a whole other message and it was going on and

1456
01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:22,320
Speaker 2: on about how he was me, Oh, I hope it's

1457
01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:24,600
Speaker 2: going well and blah blah blah, like to try to

1458
01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:29,120
Speaker 2: come and I'm reading it and I'm freaking out. And

1459
01:38:29,200 --> 01:38:34,400
Speaker 2: then I try to start messaging him back. And as

1460
01:38:34,439 --> 01:38:39,880
Speaker 2: I'm poking away at this phone ABC D housing and

1461
01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:43,120
Speaker 2: my hands are sort of shaking, the phone rings. The

1462
01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:48,479
Speaker 2: phone rings in my hand, so I look at it

1463
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:55,800
Speaker 2: and Lisa again, my goes, Steph, answer the phone. It's like,

1464
01:38:55,880 --> 01:38:58,920
Speaker 2: this is so funny and so silly, it's very Monty

1465
01:38:58,960 --> 01:39:02,519
Speaker 2: Python it. So I answered the phone, and of course

1466
01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:06,160
Speaker 2: it's it's him. Hey, Hello, is this step It's it's

1467
01:39:06,240 --> 01:39:10,439
Speaker 2: Jimmy Page right. I'm like, oh hi, and the whole van,

1468
01:39:11,200 --> 01:39:16,759
Speaker 2: the whole crew silence. And he's a little bit ticked

1469
01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:19,439
Speaker 2: off that I didn't answer him. You know, it's like

1470
01:39:19,960 --> 01:39:21,960
Speaker 2: I didn't know he texted me, because you know, I

1471
01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:24,839
Speaker 2: called you or I texted you, but I said.

1472
01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:25,400
Speaker 1: Oh, I know I did.

1473
01:39:25,640 --> 01:39:28,320
Speaker 2: I didn't see it, and blah blah blah blah. So anyway,

1474
01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:32,439
Speaker 2: he's talking and he's telling me about how he's in

1475
01:39:32,479 --> 01:39:36,559
Speaker 2: the studio he was working on those big three three

1476
01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:40,000
Speaker 2: set reissues that you know, was one, two, and three,

1477
01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:43,479
Speaker 2: and he was in the studio mastering all that stuff.

1478
01:39:44,640 --> 01:39:49,040
Speaker 2: So well, finally, after about ten minutes of a conversation,

1479
01:39:49,080 --> 01:39:52,400
Speaker 2: because well, I'd like to try to come, and uh so,

1480
01:39:52,479 --> 01:39:55,320
Speaker 2: maybe just put put me on the guest list, and

1481
01:39:55,360 --> 01:39:57,800
Speaker 2: he gave me his friend's name goes put us put

1482
01:39:57,840 --> 01:40:04,760
Speaker 2: me under this name plus. So I did that. Okay, great, Well,

1483
01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:06,559
Speaker 2: I hope you see you later. I said, come anyway,

1484
01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:10,519
Speaker 2: even if it's you know, halfway done. Great, bye, hang

1485
01:40:10,640 --> 01:40:13,040
Speaker 2: up the phone, and they all look at me, and

1486
01:40:13,080 --> 01:40:18,320
Speaker 2: then there's this like, you know, eruption of So that

1487
01:40:18,720 --> 01:40:21,200
Speaker 2: was I don't know if you even asked me this question,

1488
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:23,400
Speaker 2: but I'm telling you the whole thing. But then I

1489
01:40:23,560 --> 01:40:26,040
Speaker 2: you know, then I have the problem of knowing he

1490
01:40:26,160 --> 01:40:29,839
Speaker 2: might show up and having to play for him. Finally,

1491
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:35,439
Speaker 2: so that was that was formidable. Well did he show up, Yes,

1492
01:40:36,520 --> 01:40:41,519
Speaker 2: he showed up. I knew he'd show up. I kind

1493
01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:44,160
Speaker 2: of knew, and so I was again, it was kind

1494
01:40:44,160 --> 01:40:46,680
Speaker 2: of like going into the studio with Eddie Kramer, right,

1495
01:40:46,760 --> 01:40:51,439
Speaker 2: I was, Okay, Jimmy is going to be in the audience,

1496
01:40:51,479 --> 01:40:55,320
Speaker 2: and I have to play his solos in front of him.

1497
01:40:55,400 --> 01:40:58,000
Speaker 2: And you know, Bob, I took this all very seriously.

1498
01:40:58,080 --> 01:41:00,599
Speaker 2: This is not just oh, let's play he led Zeppel.

1499
01:41:00,680 --> 01:41:04,160
Speaker 2: I mean I was hook line and sinker. I was in.

1500
01:41:04,520 --> 01:41:08,080
Speaker 2: I was a lifer in this stuff. I was so

1501
01:41:08,200 --> 01:41:12,599
Speaker 2: serious about getting it all right, kind of like him.

1502
01:41:12,720 --> 01:41:15,320
Speaker 2: You know, it's not easy being Jimmy how to be right.

1503
01:41:15,960 --> 01:41:20,880
Speaker 2: So I realized I had two choices. I could freak

1504
01:41:20,960 --> 01:41:23,439
Speaker 2: out and not be able to go on stage and

1505
01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:28,120
Speaker 2: totally fuck it up right. Or I could just tell myself,

1506
01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:32,639
Speaker 2: you know, I play as if he's in the audience

1507
01:41:32,720 --> 01:41:35,639
Speaker 2: every night, so what difference does it make if he's

1508
01:41:35,680 --> 01:41:38,880
Speaker 2: out there? And that is the little lie that I

1509
01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:43,479
Speaker 2: told myself, and I gave the band a big pep talk,

1510
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:46,840
Speaker 2: and we were all nervous and we were all freaking out.

1511
01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:49,800
Speaker 2: We didn't know if he had come. So we go

1512
01:41:49,880 --> 01:41:53,200
Speaker 2: out and we're playing this show and we're all hyped up.

1513
01:41:53,240 --> 01:41:57,360
Speaker 2: It is super energetic, and I think, excuse me, I

1514
01:41:57,400 --> 01:42:02,280
Speaker 2: think it was during days and confused when he actually

1515
01:42:02,320 --> 01:42:07,000
Speaker 2: walked in. So I'm up there with the bow, right,

1516
01:42:07,240 --> 01:42:09,840
Speaker 2: you just have to imagine this. I'm doing a bo

1517
01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:14,960
Speaker 2: solo and Jimmy is in the back and I did

1518
01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:18,599
Speaker 2: not know this, but the other girls did. They told

1519
01:42:18,640 --> 01:42:21,479
Speaker 2: me later. Everyone else did, and they're like, oh my god,

1520
01:42:21,520 --> 01:42:23,479
Speaker 2: he's out because they saw his white hair. You know

1521
01:42:24,600 --> 01:42:28,280
Speaker 2: he's out there. Oh shit, don't tell Steph. That was like,

1522
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:32,040
Speaker 2: just don't tell her. So I'm doing the bow solo

1523
01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:34,679
Speaker 2: and we get through days crowd loves it. We play

1524
01:42:34,760 --> 01:42:37,080
Speaker 2: the rest of the show, and at some point toward

1525
01:42:37,160 --> 01:42:41,080
Speaker 2: the end, I did see him in the back, but

1526
01:42:41,160 --> 01:42:45,400
Speaker 2: I'd already been playing, so whatever. So after the show,

1527
01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:50,560
Speaker 2: I was in such a state of hyped up crazy,

1528
01:42:51,320 --> 01:42:59,559
Speaker 2: you know, show spirit. We go backstage and he makes

1529
01:42:59,600 --> 01:43:03,160
Speaker 2: a beat line for the for the State for the

1530
01:43:03,200 --> 01:43:09,320
Speaker 2: green room, at which point security everyone else got cleared out.

1531
01:43:09,880 --> 01:43:12,320
Speaker 2: He got let in and the door closed and that

1532
01:43:12,479 --> 01:43:15,439
Speaker 2: was it. No one else was coming in. And I

1533
01:43:15,439 --> 01:43:17,400
Speaker 2: got to tell you, Bob, when he came in, he

1534
01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:23,519
Speaker 2: was he was kind of beside himself. He was, I mean,

1535
01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:26,720
Speaker 2: I was on mars. I couldn't even really hear any

1536
01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:29,479
Speaker 2: of it. I was so done. I was so spent.

1537
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:34,960
Speaker 2: Everything I had went into that. But he said, that

1538
01:43:35,479 --> 01:43:38,920
Speaker 2: is how it should be done. That's the way this

1539
01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:42,160
Speaker 2: music should be played. Each and every one of you

1540
01:43:42,560 --> 01:43:47,320
Speaker 2: are great, but that is that's it, that's what this

1541
01:43:47,800 --> 01:43:52,439
Speaker 2: is about. And I got to tell you that, you know,

1542
01:43:53,040 --> 01:43:56,600
Speaker 2: it was amazing. We've done our job, and you know

1543
01:43:56,680 --> 01:43:59,559
Speaker 2: he has since he stayed with us for an hour

1544
01:44:00,520 --> 01:44:04,559
Speaker 2: and we just hung out and then he suggested that

1545
01:44:04,600 --> 01:44:09,280
Speaker 2: we take a picture. He suggested it, and you got

1546
01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:11,960
Speaker 2: to know that he knew what that meant. So we

1547
01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:17,120
Speaker 2: took a pick pictures. I had this this woman who

1548
01:44:17,160 --> 01:44:19,519
Speaker 2: was doing pr for us and she was a great

1549
01:44:19,520 --> 01:44:22,439
Speaker 2: photographer also, and her name is Judy Totten. I don't

1550
01:44:22,439 --> 01:44:24,680
Speaker 2: know if you know who she is, but she used

1551
01:44:24,680 --> 01:44:27,880
Speaker 2: to do a lot of PR in the UK and

1552
01:44:27,960 --> 01:44:31,040
Speaker 2: I hired her for this little run and she took

1553
01:44:31,160 --> 01:44:36,640
Speaker 2: some pictures of us that were fantastic. So it was

1554
01:44:36,720 --> 01:44:40,000
Speaker 2: really thank god. I don't know, thank god because if

1555
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:42,000
Speaker 2: he didn't like it, I don't I'm not sure what

1556
01:44:42,040 --> 01:44:47,719
Speaker 2: I would have done.

1557
01:44:50,320 --> 01:44:53,559
Speaker 1: Okay, the band's going on the road for the fiftieth

1558
01:44:53,640 --> 01:44:57,840
Speaker 1: the anniversary. You're playing Physical Graffiti start to finish. Tell

1559
01:44:57,840 --> 01:44:58,439
Speaker 1: me about that.

1560
01:44:59,640 --> 01:45:02,439
Speaker 2: Yes, it's not our fiftieth anniversary, but we'll talk again

1561
01:45:02,479 --> 01:45:06,600
Speaker 2: when that happened. But yes, fiftieth anniversary of Physical Graffiti.

1562
01:45:08,840 --> 01:45:11,759
Speaker 2: You know, for some reason, Physical Graffiti was my dream

1563
01:45:11,880 --> 01:45:15,280
Speaker 2: to play it the whole album. Really from the beginning,

1564
01:45:16,040 --> 01:45:19,559
Speaker 2: I just thought, God, that would be so cool and

1565
01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:24,960
Speaker 2: so fun because it's so it's kind of got all

1566
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:28,760
Speaker 2: the elements of what Led Zeppelin were, I think in

1567
01:45:28,840 --> 01:45:32,880
Speaker 2: that one double album. It sort of runs the spectrum

1568
01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:37,919
Speaker 2: of the genres that they touched on, and there's some crazy,

1569
01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:41,519
Speaker 2: weird stuff in it, but there are some amazing things

1570
01:45:41,520 --> 01:45:47,160
Speaker 2: in it, like you know, ten years Gone, which is

1571
01:45:47,520 --> 01:45:50,600
Speaker 2: probably if I were pigeonholed would have to say, is

1572
01:45:50,640 --> 01:45:55,080
Speaker 2: my favorite led Zeppelin song. But in my time of

1573
01:45:55,200 --> 01:45:58,760
Speaker 2: dying Cashmir there's just a whole bunch of things that

1574
01:46:00,240 --> 01:46:03,240
Speaker 2: are really sick again, it's cool, you know, there's just

1575
01:46:03,280 --> 01:46:07,920
Speaker 2: some some cool stuff. So we got to the point

1576
01:46:07,960 --> 01:46:12,280
Speaker 2: where our promoter, who's our agent, he's started as our promoter,

1577
01:46:12,880 --> 01:46:16,559
Speaker 2: suggested it, and this is a couple of years ago.

1578
01:46:16,600 --> 01:46:20,120
Speaker 2: He said, what about Physical Graffiti? You know, can I

1579
01:46:20,160 --> 01:46:22,840
Speaker 2: ever get that from you? And I thought, you know what,

1580
01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:26,000
Speaker 2: We're ready to do it. We're ready, let's do it.

1581
01:46:26,080 --> 01:46:30,320
Speaker 2: Because so we just started working on it and there

1582
01:46:30,360 --> 01:46:33,080
Speaker 2: are a couple of songs that are really hard to do,

1583
01:46:33,280 --> 01:46:38,880
Speaker 2: Like in the Light near impossible because you just need

1584
01:46:38,920 --> 01:46:42,160
Speaker 2: too many people. With four people, it's almost impossible. But

1585
01:46:42,240 --> 01:46:45,880
Speaker 2: we figured it out and we got a whole multimedia

1586
01:46:45,920 --> 01:46:49,960
Speaker 2: show and it's really I love it, you know, in

1587
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:54,000
Speaker 2: the Light, I mean I cry, you know, ten years gone.

1588
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:57,120
Speaker 2: I cry. I'm just like I'm up there unless I'm

1589
01:46:57,160 --> 01:46:59,880
Speaker 2: really screwing it up and I'm crying for another reason.

1590
01:47:00,400 --> 01:47:05,759
Speaker 2: But yeah, we're going to play it all year twenty

1591
01:47:05,800 --> 01:47:09,559
Speaker 2: twenty five. We have a lot of shows booked, mostly

1592
01:47:10,360 --> 01:47:15,519
Speaker 2: you know theaters, and it's an amazing shows. It's just

1593
01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:19,479
Speaker 2: and then we throw in a couple of rocker numbers

1594
01:47:19,520 --> 01:47:25,040
Speaker 2: after that. But it's it really is so satisfying, but

1595
01:47:25,080 --> 01:47:26,120
Speaker 2: it's not easy to do.

1596
01:47:27,200 --> 01:47:28,680
Speaker 1: How long did it take you to learn it? And

1597
01:47:28,680 --> 01:47:32,719
Speaker 1: how long did it take for the band to learn it?

1598
01:47:32,720 --> 01:47:36,040
Speaker 2: It took a while to figure out a couple of things,

1599
01:47:36,120 --> 01:47:39,800
Speaker 2: like in the Light took a while. We had to

1600
01:47:39,840 --> 01:47:44,519
Speaker 2: go through different experiments of how to get this sound

1601
01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:47,240
Speaker 2: on the keys, how to get the drone, how to

1602
01:47:47,960 --> 01:47:50,519
Speaker 2: turn the drone off. I mean I hit a few things.

1603
01:47:50,840 --> 01:47:55,040
Speaker 2: Joan switches keyboards, so that it took a while. I

1604
01:47:55,080 --> 01:47:57,559
Speaker 2: don't know I would say it took us a couple

1605
01:47:57,560 --> 01:48:01,559
Speaker 2: of months to maybe we really get it so that

1606
01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:06,639
Speaker 2: we could play each song pretty well, even down by

1607
01:48:06,640 --> 01:48:07,320
Speaker 2: the seaside.

1608
01:48:07,560 --> 01:48:09,880
Speaker 1: How often do you play the guitar and how often

1609
01:48:09,880 --> 01:48:13,040
Speaker 1: do you play these songs?

1610
01:48:13,720 --> 01:48:18,400
Speaker 2: I don't practice nearly enough. I admit it. I'm bad.

1611
01:48:18,479 --> 01:48:22,320
Speaker 2: I'm a bad I just I just don't. I should.

1612
01:48:23,200 --> 01:48:26,880
Speaker 2: I go through spells of practicing, but I don't play enough,

1613
01:48:27,800 --> 01:48:30,000
Speaker 2: and I think if I did, I'd be a lot better. Then.

1614
01:48:30,040 --> 01:48:33,479
Speaker 2: I'm not bad or anything, it's just I think I

1615
01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:37,760
Speaker 2: could be even better. But I play when we learn

1616
01:48:37,840 --> 01:48:41,960
Speaker 2: something new, I'm constantly playing, and we're always trying to

1617
01:48:41,960 --> 01:48:45,080
Speaker 2: add to our repertoire. And then we rehearse, and you know,

1618
01:48:45,640 --> 01:48:47,680
Speaker 2: the girls are really We all learn it on our

1619
01:48:47,720 --> 01:48:50,280
Speaker 2: own and then we come together, so we're pretty prepared

1620
01:48:50,360 --> 01:48:54,639
Speaker 2: by the time we actually attempt it. And like I said,

1621
01:48:54,720 --> 01:48:59,960
Speaker 2: these girls are amazing musicians, so it's not like we're

1622
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:03,920
Speaker 2: starting from square one. We're already in the feel of

1623
01:49:03,960 --> 01:49:06,240
Speaker 2: what we have to do and how we have to play,

1624
01:49:06,960 --> 01:49:08,639
Speaker 2: you know, which is a big thing.

1625
01:49:10,479 --> 01:49:14,040
Speaker 1: Okay, so what's your favorite Lids Up One album?

1626
01:49:15,479 --> 01:49:20,760
Speaker 2: H have we done this before? I'm not sure we have.

1627
01:49:23,560 --> 01:49:27,519
Speaker 2: It's not really a fair question. It's another trick question, Bob.

1628
01:49:28,360 --> 01:49:33,200
Speaker 2: I don't know if I could really say what's my

1629
01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:39,320
Speaker 2: favorite that they're all sort of have. I have favorite things,

1630
01:49:39,400 --> 01:49:44,320
Speaker 2: I mean one or two or physical graffiti. Maybe would

1631
01:49:44,360 --> 01:49:48,200
Speaker 2: have to narrow it down. But I don't know if

1632
01:49:48,240 --> 01:49:51,800
Speaker 2: you really had a you know what is it a

1633
01:49:51,920 --> 01:49:56,599
Speaker 2: knife over my head? And I had to decide probably

1634
01:49:56,640 --> 01:50:03,160
Speaker 2: physical graffiti because of the aforementioned things. I mean, one

1635
01:50:03,280 --> 01:50:06,360
Speaker 2: is amazing because it is you know, I think they

1636
01:50:06,400 --> 01:50:10,719
Speaker 2: were at the height of their playing powers. It's just insane,

1637
01:50:11,000 --> 01:50:14,360
Speaker 2: as are their first gigs. I mean, it's that level

1638
01:50:14,400 --> 01:50:18,600
Speaker 2: of playing is amazing. And two is very well crafted.

1639
01:50:18,640 --> 01:50:22,080
Speaker 2: It's got some great stuff, you know. I guess I'll

1640
01:50:22,120 --> 01:50:26,639
Speaker 2: just say PG just because I have to. You're making

1641
01:50:26,640 --> 01:50:27,200
Speaker 2: me say it.

1642
01:50:28,360 --> 01:50:33,240
Speaker 1: Okay, what about you? I always used to say the

1643
01:50:33,280 --> 01:50:38,160
Speaker 1: first album, Now I say physical graffiti. In terms of

1644
01:50:38,200 --> 01:50:41,040
Speaker 1: the second album was way overplayed. I bought it the

1645
01:50:41,120 --> 01:50:43,360
Speaker 1: day came out. You have no idea what it was like.

1646
01:50:44,800 --> 01:50:47,360
Speaker 1: Third album. I saw the band live on that tour.

1647
01:50:48,280 --> 01:50:51,679
Speaker 1: They punched the clock in the Haven. But third album

1648
01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:57,040
Speaker 1: the renaissance of criticism. I believe is unfounded. It's kind

1649
01:50:57,040 --> 01:51:00,519
Speaker 1: of like on Dennis Wilson solo, Wow, these are things

1650
01:51:00,560 --> 01:51:05,560
Speaker 1: I'm familiar with, but they were not that great. Fourth album,

1651
01:51:06,040 --> 01:51:07,960
Speaker 1: you know, Steerway to have we never have to hear,

1652
01:51:08,040 --> 01:51:12,080
Speaker 1: but Battle of Evermore, you know, going to California rock

1653
01:51:12,120 --> 01:51:14,560
Speaker 1: and roll Black Dog don't really mean that much to me.

1654
01:51:14,760 --> 01:51:19,200
Speaker 1: But when the levee breaks Houses of the Holy, a

1655
01:51:19,200 --> 01:51:21,320
Speaker 1: lot of people think that's the best. I don't think so,

1656
01:51:21,720 --> 01:51:25,760
Speaker 1: and I certainly believe the two albums after Physical Graffiti

1657
01:51:25,880 --> 01:51:28,719
Speaker 1: presence is not as good as in Through the Outdoor.

1658
01:51:28,760 --> 01:51:32,000
Speaker 1: But they were kind of spent, so they're all listenable.

1659
01:51:32,520 --> 01:51:35,639
Speaker 1: But if I play them, I'll play the first, I'll

1660
01:51:35,680 --> 01:51:39,000
Speaker 1: play Physical Graffiti, I'll play stuff off the fourth.

1661
01:51:39,920 --> 01:51:42,799
Speaker 2: Okay, so we pretty much agree. I would put presents

1662
01:51:42,920 --> 01:51:45,160
Speaker 2: way before in Through the Outdoor. But we can have

1663
01:51:45,200 --> 01:51:48,400
Speaker 2: this discussion on the ski slopes because as it yeah,

1664
01:51:48,600 --> 01:51:52,800
Speaker 2: it's a long discussion, but yeah, I basically agree with you.

1665
01:51:53,000 --> 01:51:58,200
Speaker 2: And you know, we did not play Stairway for years. Yeah,

1666
01:51:58,400 --> 01:52:01,400
Speaker 2: the first four or five years at least, we did

1667
01:52:01,439 --> 01:52:03,799
Speaker 2: not play Stairway out of choice.

1668
01:52:04,840 --> 01:52:09,559
Speaker 1: So what works live? What does the audience react to

1669
01:52:09,760 --> 01:52:12,640
Speaker 1: most in terms of songs.

1670
01:52:12,400 --> 01:52:15,280
Speaker 2: Black Dog, rock and roll, whole lot of love.

1671
01:52:16,360 --> 01:52:21,480
Speaker 1: So the classic hits, they want to hear those absolutely.

1672
01:52:21,680 --> 01:52:26,639
Speaker 2: And our sound guy night Bob is always slamming us, saying,

1673
01:52:26,640 --> 01:52:28,680
Speaker 2: you gotta play the hits you just got, you know,

1674
01:52:28,720 --> 01:52:30,400
Speaker 2: and this is this is how the set should be.

1675
01:52:30,800 --> 01:52:34,360
Speaker 2: And we're just stubborn, you know, We're just like, oh

1676
01:52:34,439 --> 01:52:37,120
Speaker 2: but we love four sticks and oh but we love

1677
01:52:37,280 --> 01:52:41,080
Speaker 2: you know, you know, no quarter, I mean no quarter.

1678
01:52:41,560 --> 01:52:44,600
Speaker 2: You know you can play that for twenty minutes and

1679
01:52:44,640 --> 01:52:45,400
Speaker 2: we have done.

1680
01:52:46,120 --> 01:52:48,519
Speaker 1: If we've done that, the low quarter is long to

1681
01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:50,680
Speaker 1: begin with. Did everybody go to the bathroom?

1682
01:52:50,720 --> 01:52:53,519
Speaker 2: Then? Right? No, they go to the bathroom during the

1683
01:52:53,560 --> 01:52:54,400
Speaker 2: acoustic set.

1684
01:52:56,040 --> 01:52:59,120
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, why do you think that is?

1685
01:52:59,800 --> 01:53:03,160
Speaker 2: I just think it gets less loud and they all

1686
01:53:03,200 --> 01:53:06,439
Speaker 2: think it's okay to leave. I don't know it's it,

1687
01:53:06,600 --> 01:53:10,479
Speaker 2: but yeah, that's that's when they go so to speak.

1688
01:53:10,880 --> 01:53:14,519
Speaker 1: And are these people out for a casual night or

1689
01:53:14,560 --> 01:53:17,520
Speaker 1: how many of these people are die hard led Zeppelin fans?

1690
01:53:17,800 --> 01:53:23,960
Speaker 2: Ah, it's it's a mix. Well, at first, let's put

1691
01:53:23,960 --> 01:53:26,320
Speaker 2: it this way. The band is called led Zeppelin, right,

1692
01:53:26,600 --> 01:53:29,280
Speaker 2: so you got half the guys coming because they think

1693
01:53:29,280 --> 01:53:33,160
Speaker 2: we're going to kiss each other or maybe we will, so, hey,

1694
01:53:33,320 --> 01:53:36,200
Speaker 2: I want to do that. The music can't be very good,

1695
01:53:36,240 --> 01:53:38,920
Speaker 2: but they might kiss each other. So we got crowds

1696
01:53:39,360 --> 01:53:41,559
Speaker 2: for that, and then of course they would leave saying,

1697
01:53:41,720 --> 01:53:44,880
Speaker 2: oh my god, I can't believe they actually played like that.

1698
01:53:46,720 --> 01:53:51,040
Speaker 2: So we got a lot of really hardcore led Zeppelin fans.

1699
01:53:51,120 --> 01:53:55,800
Speaker 2: A lot of them are you know guys from I

1700
01:53:55,800 --> 01:54:01,560
Speaker 2: would say fifty to seventy maybe, and they are serious,

1701
01:54:02,080 --> 01:54:04,320
Speaker 2: but they love the band they do, and I was

1702
01:54:04,360 --> 01:54:07,559
Speaker 2: worried about those guys, mostly guys. There were girls too,

1703
01:54:07,680 --> 01:54:11,280
Speaker 2: a lot of more girls than you think. But I

1704
01:54:11,400 --> 01:54:14,720
Speaker 2: needn't have worried because they are some of our biggest supporters.

1705
01:54:15,240 --> 01:54:21,160
Speaker 2: But now in the last ten years, the audience is kids.

1706
01:54:21,200 --> 01:54:25,720
Speaker 2: To the guys that saw them twelve times, little kids

1707
01:54:25,720 --> 01:54:29,080
Speaker 2: in the front, and it is the most beautiful thing

1708
01:54:29,160 --> 01:54:31,559
Speaker 2: to see little girls. You know, their earplugs are in,

1709
01:54:31,880 --> 01:54:36,720
Speaker 2: they're with their parents, and they're staring up at four

1710
01:54:37,920 --> 01:54:42,440
Speaker 2: female musicians, never in their a million years having a

1711
01:54:42,480 --> 01:54:46,040
Speaker 2: thought I cannot do this, this is not what I

1712
01:54:46,080 --> 01:54:48,920
Speaker 2: can do, which was the thought I had when I

1713
01:54:49,080 --> 01:54:53,360
Speaker 2: was that age and I wanted to be a rock star. Whatever.

1714
01:54:53,560 --> 01:54:58,480
Speaker 2: Eric Clapton or whoever. I thought, I can't do this.

1715
01:54:58,520 --> 01:55:02,200
Speaker 2: I'm a girl, literally, that's what I thought. But I

1716
01:55:02,240 --> 01:55:05,240
Speaker 2: did it anyway, as you can see my personality. But

1717
01:55:05,360 --> 01:55:07,960
Speaker 2: those little girls and those little boys, all of them,

1718
01:55:08,000 --> 01:55:11,600
Speaker 2: they just have it. It's great. And there are a

1719
01:55:11,680 --> 01:55:14,600
Speaker 2: lot of young people. Sometimes it looks like the seventies.

1720
01:55:15,080 --> 01:55:17,680
Speaker 2: I'm like staring out there and there are these kids

1721
01:55:17,680 --> 01:55:21,720
Speaker 2: with long hair and jumping up. You know, they're teenagers

1722
01:55:21,840 --> 01:55:26,320
Speaker 2: or twenty. It's like, is this is it nineteen seventy two?

1723
01:55:26,560 --> 01:55:28,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, could be?

1724
01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:31,760
Speaker 1: Do these little girls and boys come up to you

1725
01:55:31,880 --> 01:55:34,320
Speaker 1: after the show and ask you questions, et cetera.

1726
01:55:35,320 --> 01:55:37,640
Speaker 2: They are some of those kids that are even too

1727
01:55:37,720 --> 01:55:40,640
Speaker 2: young or shy, but yes they do. Or like I

1728
01:55:40,720 --> 01:55:43,720
Speaker 2: hand them a pick or something and they're, oh my god,

1729
01:55:43,840 --> 01:55:50,040
Speaker 2: they're so enthralled, they really are. They love it. It's amazing.

1730
01:55:50,280 --> 01:55:50,800
Speaker 2: It's great.

1731
01:55:51,120 --> 01:55:53,600
Speaker 1: So you've gone on. You said some great things about

1732
01:55:53,680 --> 01:55:57,880
Speaker 1: Jimmy Page. Jimmy doesn't play live much at this point,

1733
01:55:57,960 --> 01:55:59,960
Speaker 1: if at all, but there are a lot of other

1734
01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:02,360
Speaker 1: inter acts of that vintage. We're going out and playing

1735
01:56:02,360 --> 01:56:06,040
Speaker 1: the same songs that they've been playing for fifty years. However,

1736
01:56:06,360 --> 01:56:10,040
Speaker 1: they were the original artists. To what degree do you

1737
01:56:10,200 --> 01:56:14,480
Speaker 1: feel stifled having to do this music all the time?

1738
01:56:16,200 --> 01:56:20,600
Speaker 2: You know, I don't feel stifled at all. I mean,

1739
01:56:20,600 --> 01:56:23,000
Speaker 2: there are times I don't want to go on stage

1740
01:56:23,040 --> 01:56:28,160
Speaker 2: and play the Ocean. I'll give you that. I'm not

1741
01:56:28,200 --> 01:56:30,480
Speaker 2: in the mood. I'm not in the mood to start

1742
01:56:30,600 --> 01:56:34,040
Speaker 2: into a whole lot of Love with all of its antics,

1743
01:56:34,400 --> 01:56:38,600
Speaker 2: because it ends up being this intense, crazy show. We

1744
01:56:38,720 --> 01:56:42,120
Speaker 2: do it a whole show, you know, with the theerremen

1745
01:56:42,360 --> 01:56:47,360
Speaker 2: and lots of improvisation. But once I get into it,

1746
01:56:48,760 --> 01:56:52,160
Speaker 2: I'm there and I still love it. I you know,

1747
01:56:53,560 --> 01:56:59,200
Speaker 2: I even if it's a road worn set, you know,

1748
01:56:59,440 --> 01:57:02,960
Speaker 2: like all the hits which we play or we'll do,

1749
01:57:03,080 --> 01:57:05,760
Speaker 2: the song remains the same concert and most of that

1750
01:57:05,960 --> 01:57:09,720
Speaker 2: is all the hits, you know, it's the most including Stairway.

1751
01:57:09,800 --> 01:57:13,680
Speaker 2: You gotta play that. But I don't know, I'm always

1752
01:57:13,720 --> 01:57:18,120
Speaker 2: finding something new in it, and I'm always finding something

1753
01:57:18,160 --> 01:57:22,320
Speaker 2: I didn't catch. So it's fun. It's fun because I'm

1754
01:57:22,320 --> 01:57:25,160
Speaker 2: communicating with the band and I don't know what they're

1755
01:57:25,200 --> 01:57:27,920
Speaker 2: gonna do all the time, and they don't know what

1756
01:57:27,960 --> 01:57:30,560
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do, and they have to respond, and that's

1757
01:57:30,600 --> 01:57:33,400
Speaker 2: what keeps it interesting. And I dare say that's what

1758
01:57:33,520 --> 01:57:34,200
Speaker 2: Jimmy loved.

1759
01:57:35,880 --> 01:57:40,160
Speaker 1: And you said earlier, led Zeppelin is not a tribute band.

1760
01:57:41,640 --> 01:57:44,040
Speaker 1: Experanid that well.

1761
01:57:44,080 --> 01:57:48,400
Speaker 2: I think partially for the reason I just said, we

1762
01:57:48,560 --> 01:57:54,839
Speaker 2: do not impersonate led Zeppelin. I would have no interest

1763
01:57:54,880 --> 01:57:58,320
Speaker 2: in that whatsoever. And I also don't really have an

1764
01:57:58,360 --> 01:58:05,200
Speaker 2: interest in playing every single note that they played that

1765
01:58:05,440 --> 01:58:07,920
Speaker 2: I would get bored with. If I had to do that,

1766
01:58:08,240 --> 01:58:12,120
Speaker 2: I would feel stifled. Like you said, right, but this

1767
01:58:12,320 --> 01:58:16,960
Speaker 2: music breathes. It's not that, and I feel like what

1768
01:58:17,040 --> 01:58:21,680
Speaker 2: we have to offer is more of The only word

1769
01:58:21,720 --> 01:58:26,560
Speaker 2: I could coin was she incarnation of the band, meaning

1770
01:58:27,080 --> 01:58:31,160
Speaker 2: we are a real band. This is our canon of music.

1771
01:58:31,960 --> 01:58:35,280
Speaker 2: We've studied our parts the way the composers wanted us

1772
01:58:35,320 --> 01:58:39,960
Speaker 2: to play them, but we still are musicians in our

1773
01:58:40,000 --> 01:58:42,760
Speaker 2: own right, and we go out there and once we

1774
01:58:42,880 --> 01:58:46,880
Speaker 2: take hold of this material, something of us comes through.

1775
01:58:47,800 --> 01:58:53,000
Speaker 2: And you know, we're not scared of that, because if

1776
01:58:53,080 --> 01:58:56,640
Speaker 2: you're looking for exactly the same notes or whatever, you're

1777
01:58:56,680 --> 01:58:58,520
Speaker 2: not going to have that all the time. When it

1778
01:58:58,600 --> 01:59:01,680
Speaker 2: comes to see you're going to have something else, something

1779
01:59:01,720 --> 01:59:05,840
Speaker 2: being created. And for that reason, We are not a

1780
01:59:05,920 --> 01:59:10,040
Speaker 2: tribute band. That's a real band, and you're.

1781
01:59:09,840 --> 01:59:12,280
Speaker 1: A real person, Steph. I want to thank you so

1782
01:59:12,360 --> 01:59:16,160
Speaker 1: much for telling your story and sharing your thoughts with

1783
01:59:16,360 --> 01:59:17,080
Speaker 1: my audience.

1784
01:59:18,080 --> 01:59:21,600
Speaker 2: It's always a pleasure. Thank you for having me on, Bob, really,

1785
01:59:21,600 --> 01:59:26,840
Speaker 2: it's an honor. I love your columns. You're very important

1786
01:59:26,920 --> 01:59:31,160
Speaker 2: to our stream of discussion these days, so thank you.

1787
01:59:33,080 --> 01:59:35,720
Speaker 1: Till next time, This is Bob left Stand