1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, presented by first Light, 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: creating proven versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind. 4 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: First Light, Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host 5 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: Tony Peterson. 6 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 2: Hey, everyone, welcome to the Wire to Hunt Foundation's podcast, 7 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 2: which has brought to you by first Light. I'm your host, 8 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 2: Tony Peterson, and today I'm going to be talking about 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 2: gun hunting for white tails, but maybe kind of doing 10 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 2: it in a way that will set yourself apart from 11 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 2: a lot of your competition throughout much of the country. 12 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 2: Right now, the archery season is giving way to gun season. Now, 13 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 2: that might be bad news for a lot of you 14 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 2: hardcore you know, rider die bow hunters, but it also 15 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 2: might be a hell of a relief for many of you. 16 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 2: Gun hunting is just a different beast and it comes 17 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 2: with a different set of rules, at least that's what 18 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 2: many of us think. I kind of think the rules 19 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 2: stay the same, but the game is just a little different. 20 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: Now. 21 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 2: I know that's confusing as hell, So you just have 22 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 2: to let me get there, which is what I'm going 23 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:29,839 Speaker 2: to do right now. There's a quote that I love 24 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 2: that is pretty hard to attribute to any one individual 25 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 2: because so many people have said it and written it 26 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: over the years, so I actually don't know who came 27 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 2: up with it first. But it goes like this tradition 28 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 2: is just peer pressure from dead people. A lot of 29 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 2: traditions are harmless and just help us feel more socially connected. 30 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 2: Here in the good old USA, or just a little 31 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 2: bit north of here, in the land of hockey and 32 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 2: maple syrup. Most of our traditions are pretty laid back 33 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 2: and not really all that shocking little thing. It's like saying, 34 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: you know, how are you instead of what we mean, 35 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 2: which is hey, bro. That's one. Smiling as strangers is another. 36 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:10,679 Speaker 2: Try that in some countries and you might get kicked 37 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 2: right in the old sock puppet. Try that with a 38 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 2: wrong monkey or other primate and you might see that 39 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 2: old sock puppet get removed from your body and tossed 40 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 2: into the trees. Traditions you might not know about include 41 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 2: drinking coffee on the go. There are a lot of 42 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 2: cultures where coffee is a communal thing and not just 43 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 2: a baseline drug we use every day. So do murder 44 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,679 Speaker 2: someone for I don't know, weirdly smiling at us Mark 45 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: Kenyan style. We also have a weird tradition of requesting 46 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 2: changes to the menu at restaurants, or I guess you know, 47 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 2: changes to a certain type of dish at a restaurant. 48 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,119 Speaker 2: As someone who cooked his way through college, this one 49 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 2: drives me bah nanas, especially when my mother in law 50 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 2: does it every single time she goes out to eat. 51 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 2: During the process of explaining how she wants something totally 52 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 2: changed in a dish that doesn't make sense, I can 53 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 2: see the servers just die a little inside, and I 54 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 2: feel for the lime cook who has to make something 55 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 2: totally different after having made it exactly one way five 56 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 2: thousand times. Other than sort of ruining a restaurant worker's day, 57 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 2: most of those traditions are pretty harmless. Head to the 58 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 2: other parts of the world and you'll see that this 59 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 2: isn't always the case. In parts of Indonesia, there are 60 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 2: tribes where women are expected to show their grief by 61 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 2: chopping off part of their finger. This is done to 62 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 2: satisfy ancestral ghosts and can result in older ladies missing 63 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 2: a lot of the parts of their fingers that most 64 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: of us wouldn't want to lose involuntarily, let alone voluntarily. 65 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 2: Although that's the thing about tradition, it's often not that voluntary. 66 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 2: Take the vegetarian festival in Thailand, for example. This culture 67 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 2: abstains from eating meat in October in an attempt to 68 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 2: invite good fortune into their lives. To further appeal to 69 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,839 Speaker 2: the gods that they'd like some seriously good luck, many 70 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 2: of these people penetrate their own bodies withs needles and knives, 71 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: then they walk around town. Google this. If you're not squeamish, 72 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 2: then google foot binding in China and bullet ant gloves 73 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 2: for some particularly unlucky tribes people of the Amazon. I 74 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 2: guess I shouldn't say that. They probably feel more gratitude 75 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 2: for their lives than a lot of US Western folks, 76 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 2: and they are testing themselves in a way that probably 77 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 2: feels pretty satisfying to get through. So I guess who knows. 78 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 2: What I do know is that we view tradition through 79 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 2: many lenses, and we often don't realize how much it 80 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: has an influence over our lives. When it comes to hunting, 81 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 2: there's no more evidence of this than on a typical 82 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 2: opening weekend a gun season, when you're heading to the 83 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 2: cabin to meet up with your relatives. If you could 84 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 2: see a time lap shot of the typical gun hunting 85 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 2: party that has a the traditional cabin somewhere, you could 86 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 2: probably relay opening weekend every year over opening weekend from 87 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 2: every other year, and I bet it would look very 88 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 2: similar at least the start of the whole thing. Would 89 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 2: You'd probably see the same orange clad hunters walking the 90 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 2: same trails to the same stands. You'd see the same 91 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 2: four wheelers and side by sides puttering along the same routes. 92 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,679 Speaker 2: You'd probably see the reverse of that moment at about 93 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 2: the same time every day, maybe a few hours into 94 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 2: the morning, maybe sometime at midday. Then you might see 95 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 2: a whole bunch of orange clad hunters set up the 96 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 2: same deer drive in the same spots year after year. 97 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 2: By afternoon, you're likely to see the same movement that 98 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 2: you saw in the morning, lather, rinse, repeat. I bet 99 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 2: if you could survey a random group from the up 100 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 2: of Michigan, and a random group from Pennsylvania, and then 101 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 2: a random group from North Carolina and wherever, year after year, 102 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 2: you'd probably hear about the same relative amount of success 103 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 2: at any given opening weekend. There's a consistency to the 104 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 2: success side of things because there is a consistency to 105 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 2: the effort. One hot dough can change that, of course, 106 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 2: but so can twenty degree weather versus seventy degree weather. 107 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 2: But these things have a way of finding a path 108 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 2: of least resistance, so to speak, and the results, well, 109 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 2: they're typical. We don't really think about how much of 110 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 2: a tradition it is for grandpa to go to a 111 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 2: certain stand, for the young hunters to always be the 112 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 2: drivers and the deer draggers. We don't think too hard 113 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 2: on the fact that even though we might complain about 114 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 2: not killing much or not really even seeing much, we've 115 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 2: also locked ourselves into a pattern of behavior that produces 116 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 2: expected results. It's weird, but you know, absolutely ensconced in 117 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 2: the human condition. It's gene deep to embrace tradition, and 118 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 2: it happens across all cultures. But it doesn't have to happen. 119 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 2: We mostly choose it. We mostly lean into it, at least, 120 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 2: you know, most of us. For the traditional gun hunting party, 121 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 2: not doing what you always do might be viewed as 122 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 2: greedy or an attempt to flip over the old apple cart, 123 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 2: so to speak. You might not hunt the way you 124 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 2: want because your uncles seem real resistant to change, and 125 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 2: you don't want to get loads of shit tossed your 126 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 2: way for changing their natural order. But this is just 127 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 2: deer hunting. Deer camp peer pressure is prevalent, but it's 128 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 2: not that big of a deal. It's also kind of dumb. 129 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 2: Doing the same thing year after year after year is 130 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 2: a great way to not have a very successful hunt 131 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 2: year after year after year. You're playing a game with 132 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 2: animals that do have a memory, and they do have 133 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 2: some pretty typical reactions to typical hunter movements. We often 134 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 2: make it so easy for them to avoid us. This 135 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 2: is especially true if you just blissfully ignore the difference 136 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 2: in conditions from year to year and day to day 137 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 2: and instead just go always sit that one ladder stand 138 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 2: you like which has a nice view. I think a 139 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 2: lot of hunters over in the land of cheese and 140 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 2: thinly veiled functional alcoholism where I hunt are going to 141 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 2: be in for a rude awakening this year. A lot 142 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 2: of those die hard Packers fans are going to go 143 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 2: out to their guns stands for the first time all 144 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 2: year and realize that their shooting lanes are gone, and 145 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 2: that the old logging road they used to walk to 146 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 2: get to their stand is now nearly fully blocked by 147 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 2: down trees. Add in the further reality that a CWD 148 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: positive deer in a nearby game farm has baiting on 149 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 2: the no fly list and their hunt is about to change. 150 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 2: But will they change with it. I don't know. They 151 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 2: probably should. It would be inconceivable for most of us 152 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 2: bow hunters to not obsess over the wind direction and 153 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 2: the weather conditions before we go sit for a lot 154 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 2: of gun hunting, it's not even really considered. Now. I'm 155 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 2: generalizing here, of course, but if you have one stand 156 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 2: you always sit, then it's highly likely you'll sit there 157 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 2: whether there's an east wind or a west wind, or 158 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 2: whether it's freezing cold or sweltering hot. So here's the thing. 159 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 2: You don't need to hold court with all of your 160 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 2: fellow rifle hunting buddies the night before the opener and 161 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 2: tell them you're calling a camp wide audible and that 162 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 2: everything is going to change. You can do little things 163 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 2: to be different, and you should take shot opportunities. For example, 164 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 2: if you're going to rifle or shotgun hunt or muzzlod 165 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 2: or hunt, I guess what are your lanes like, what's 166 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 2: the average shot distance? A lot of people look at 167 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 2: gun hunting in their effective range so much differently than 168 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 2: bow hunters. Most bow hunters tend to practice at some 169 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 2: distance and then they peel off a certain percentage of 170 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 2: that distance. In respect to the reality of shooting wild 171 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 2: deer and wild situations. Gun hunters often don't do that. 172 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 2: They shoot their rifles or whatever at certain distances and 173 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 2: then kind of figure they can push it by fifty 174 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 2: or one hundred yards by holding a little high That's 175 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 2: great for good shooters, but often not so great for 176 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: people who don't shoot a whole lot, which is probably 177 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 2: most of the whitetail hunters. And it's a different thing 178 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 2: sitting on a bench punching paper at three hundred yards 179 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 2: than it is to try to shoot a live buck 180 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 2: as he walks along a clear cut three football fields away. 181 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 2: It's hard not to put a little lead in the 182 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 2: air when you can, but sometimes it's best to understand 183 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 2: what your real effective range is. This is one of 184 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 2: the reasons that when I gun hunt, whether it's a 185 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 2: general season or a muzzleloader hunt, I'm often in places 186 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 2: that don't allow for a long shot because I know 187 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 2: I'm only an okay shot with a gun. I'm really 188 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 2: only an okay shot with a bow, too, which is 189 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 2: why I'm a super huge fan of twenty yard broadside shots, 190 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 2: and I work pretty hard to try to set those 191 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 2: up with guns. You know that distance is mostly too close, 192 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 2: but it also doesn't take me too long to get 193 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 2: into a little bit too far a territory. Either, know 194 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 2: this about yourself and understand what it means for your 195 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 2: stand or blind setup. Think about your shots, and if 196 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 2: you're thinking about how far you should really shoot, consider 197 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,719 Speaker 2: something else house your rest. One of the things I've 198 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 2: learned here at meat Eater, where we are overrun by 199 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 2: Western rifle hunters who probably would hold a bow upside 200 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 2: down if you handed them one, is that they don't 201 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 2: shoot without a good rest. When they have a chance 202 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 2: to shoot, their focus goes on getting a good range 203 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 2: and establishing a rest, a really good rest. Quickly, you 204 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 2: might think, well, hell, Peterson, I have that covered since 205 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 2: I hunt out of a ladder stand with a shooting rail, 206 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 2: And I'd say, well, hell, random listener, how tall are you? 207 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 2: How comfortable is your shot off that shooting rail? It 208 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 2: might be a different deal for someone who is five 209 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 2: to three versus someone who is six ' five. Now 210 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 2: I don't hunt out a ladder stands much, but I've 211 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 2: noticed that shooting rails are perfect for some shot angles 212 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 2: and kind of a struggle for others. Can you get 213 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 2: a better rest? Can you maybe wrap the rail on 214 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 2: something soft and malleable. Can you use some hockey tape 215 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 2: or a bungee cord and a fix a bipod to 216 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 2: your stand? Maybe set it up for the highest odd 217 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 2: shot anyway, Now, what if a deer comes behind you? 218 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 2: This is a little thing that makes a big difference, 219 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,839 Speaker 2: and it's something that most of your competition isn't doing. 220 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 2: Take it a step further though. A typical bow hunter 221 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 2: who watches deer do something, but those deer don't get 222 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 2: into range will do one thing, try to call the 223 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 2: deer in. A good bow hunter will usually just move 224 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 2: closer to the action and kill one. A gun hunter 225 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 2: who watches deer goes through the cedars but never offer 226 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 2: a shot is very likely to follow a typical bow 227 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 2: hunter's plan and turn that can call over a few 228 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 2: hundred times or grunt to his heart's content. He might 229 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 2: also try to slip a shot through the brush, But 230 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 2: what would be a better bet you know it move. 231 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 2: This is something that the general gun hunting crowd does 232 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 2: not seem to grasp very well. Sure they'll move, but 233 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 2: they'll move with the confidence of someone who can make 234 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 2: an offhand shot at two hundred yards. You know they can't, 235 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 2: and neither can you. Probably the ability to close the 236 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 2: distance and leave behind your traditional stand is huge. You 237 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 2: can probably still stay in the zone of your stand 238 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 2: or your spot so you don't piss off the rest 239 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,599 Speaker 2: of the people and your party. But it might be 240 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 2: a move of you know, fifty yards that changes everything. 241 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 2: You might have to set up on the ground. That's great, 242 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 2: grab a tripod do that. The distances that gun hunting 243 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 2: allows for make it ideal for a little chess move 244 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 2: where you put your back to a tree somewhere without 245 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 2: too much of a risk of getting busted before you 246 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 2: get a shot. If you have the means to go 247 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 2: mobile with a stand or a saddle, that's usually better. 248 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 2: This is something very very few gun hunters do, although 249 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 2: it's getting more popular again. All you're doing is breaking 250 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 2: tradition just a little bit, and another way to break 251 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 2: the tradition that might be the best way to kill 252 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 2: deer during a general gun season. Is something I've talked 253 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 2: about a lot. Just hunt more, hunt longer hours, take 254 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 2: a couple of vacation days to stick around camp on 255 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 2: Monday and Tuesday, when most hunters make a mass exodus 256 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 2: out of the woods and head back to their daily lives. 257 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,719 Speaker 2: The reality is that most hunters don't want to sit 258 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 2: that long. They put in a couple hours in the 259 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 2: morning and a couple in the afternoon. Those windows get 260 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 2: even shorter as the season goes on and the hangovers 261 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 2: kick in and the action dries up and the futility 262 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 2: of it all starts to settle across the land. That's 263 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 2: an opportunity for you to do the opposite. Spend all 264 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 2: day out there. I know I've talked about this a lot, 265 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 2: but you just want to be there when others aren't. 266 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 2: If you go to your same old ladderstand with the 267 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 2: plan to get back by eleven to watch the game 268 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 2: and eat some chili, that's great, but that's the move 269 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 2: for almost everyone, and the deer know that, or they 270 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 2: figure it out real quickly. A better bet is to 271 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 2: stick it out and even though you won't see tons 272 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 2: of deer. You might see the one you want, and 273 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 2: he might either just be moving through because of the 274 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 2: lull and hunter presence, or he might be sneaking out 275 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 2: through the side door as the neighbors set up for 276 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 2: another midday drive through the betting cover. There are other 277 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 2: ways to break tradition too. Depending on how much seniority 278 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 2: you have, you might be able to suggest some slight 279 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 2: variations and the deer drives. Instead of parking exactly where 280 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 2: you always park and sending one hunter to cover the 281 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 2: waterway and two to post up at the end of 282 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 2: the woods, take a look at the satellite imagery of 283 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 2: your ground. Think about how often the drive has worked, 284 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 2: or how often someone has watched a deer squored out 285 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 2: in a random spot which is probably not as random 286 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 2: as it seems. Maybe it's a matter of talking to 287 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 2: everyone about slowing way way down and trying to be quiet, 288 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 2: or maybe it's a matter of putting someone in a 289 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 2: spot to watch a new area as long as it's safe. 290 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 2: Breaking the mold a little on deer drives can be 291 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 2: a wildly educational experience. Here's the thing. Not to toot 292 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 2: my own horn a little too much. But I'm kind 293 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 2: of a contrarian at heart. I don't like doing things 294 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 2: just because you're supposed to. I also don't like hunting 295 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 2: when I feel like I'm just crossing my fingers and 296 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 2: praying to the deer gods for a pity buck. I 297 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 2: think most of us lean into this a little too much. 298 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 2: You know, it's easier to follow tradition and do the 299 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 2: same thing over and over. It's even easier when there's 300 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 2: an element of peer pressure involved. So here's the deal. 301 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 2: If you planned a gun hunt this season, ask yourself 302 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 2: why you're doing what you're doing, are you sitting where 303 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 2: you are? And if there's a chance to shake things up, 304 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 2: at least consider it. Maybe not on day one, but 305 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 2: by day two or three. Ask yourself what the results 306 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 2: are of your effort and the efforts of anyone else 307 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 2: you may be hunting with. Are they not so great? 308 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 2: Would it be possible to suggest a few new things? 309 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 2: If not, that's okay, watch your own bobber and try 310 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 2: to make the best adjustments you can to the situation 311 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 2: you're in. It often doesn't take much to go from 312 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 2: finger crossing kind of hunt to someone who is actually 313 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: in the game. That feeling usually feeds further adjustments and 314 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 2: not only makes it more likely you'll fill your tag, 315 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 2: but it makes the whole thing a hell of a 316 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 2: lot more enjoyable. And when you enjoy it, more kill 317 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 2: more deer. Trust me on that. So stay safe out there, 318 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 2: shoot straight, change things up a little bit if you're 319 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 2: not happy with how it's going, and come back next 320 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 2: week because I'm going to talk about a concept in 321 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 2: engineering that also applies to deer hunting, one that can 322 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 2: really help you eliminate some of the things that can 323 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 2: totally derail a hunt. 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