1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a Michael Hobby in just one second, 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: the lead singer of the band A Thousand Horses. They 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: kind of shot quickly to success with the song here 4 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: called Smoke. That's the number one for them. We'll get 5 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: to that. And also they have a new song I 6 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: called Drinking Song, which is right here, song to keep killing. 7 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,479 Speaker 1: So that's the second. His wife's Caroline Hobby, has a 8 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: really great podcast called Get Real with Caroline Hobby. You know, 9 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: she has the whole thing too where she talks to 10 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: the wives of country stars. Just definitely more than that. 11 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: That podcast has really turned turned into a great podcast. 12 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: Um so um. I've just I know him through her again, 13 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 1: and I know her and him through Amy too, like 14 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: I've known Caroline, but I've become i think more friendly 15 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: with especially both of them on a different level because 16 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: of Amy because over the house and I guess they 17 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: live right by each other, so I just kinda be 18 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: hanging out. So when they put out new music and 19 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: I kind of tell them in a minute that Rod. 20 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: You know, my guy in radio was like, have you 21 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: heard the new song? And I was like, I haven't 22 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: heard it. I was day we should get an I 23 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: think I just text you one night. I was like, Okay, 24 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: let's get my gobby in all right, so um, yeah, 25 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: he's coming in a second. But check out Get Real 26 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: with Caroline Hobby. Mike has a podcast called Movie Mike's 27 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: Movie Podcast, which I saw you when and saw that 28 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: movie Parasite, which is a movie without English. It's no, 29 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: it's North Korea, South Korea. Okay, what I like it? 30 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: I think you would. It's not scary. It's kind of 31 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: like black mirror ish, but okay, I don't care about that. 32 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: It's the subtitles, but you don't. You don't After five minutes, 33 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: it doesn't even like factor into it. M I thought 34 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: it was gonna be it. She's too That's why I 35 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: waited so long to see it. But after about five minutes, 36 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm totally into this movie. Will it 37 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: win Best Picture? Is that up for Best Picture? Yeah? 38 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: I think it's close. One of my friends went and 39 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: saw nineteen seventeen the movie loved it, and I guess 40 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: it only goes black a couple of times, like fades 41 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: to black. Otherwise it looks like one continue shot pretty much. Yeah, 42 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: they'll do like little camera motions where he goes like 43 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 1: to the side will go black for like a quick 44 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: second and then it goes back into it. It's about 45 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: a kid who has to get let me see if 46 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: I'm right on this, because you've seen it. It's about 47 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: a kid who has to get many miles away during 48 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: the war to tell them that they're all about to 49 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: be killed. Yeah, to call off an attack. So it's 50 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: him and another guy and go travel to tell this 51 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: other troup, like, hey, call off this attack. And they 52 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: sent him because of the brothers in the troup and 53 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: they know he'll do everything possible to get to them. Man, 54 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: that sounds good. It is really good. Like I'm still 55 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: holding on that once upon a time will win. But 56 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: after sing nine seventeen, I like, that's like probably the 57 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: critic favorite movie. Mike's Movie Podcast where on this week's episode, which, 58 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: by the way, who knows when you'll hear this, but 59 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: you're talking about massive A list stars that never won 60 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: an Oscar? Yeah, who is who is one that comes 61 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: to mind? Brad Pitt never won an Oscar. He's one 62 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: as a producer, but never as an actor. So is 63 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: he up for any of this year? He's up for 64 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: Best Supporting for one. Yeah, So he'll probably finally one 65 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: this year. Al Right, check that movie mix movie podcast. 66 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: Amy has the four Things podcast where she talks about 67 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: four things that faith, family, love, watermelons, I don't know, 68 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: it's all different stuff. Check that out The Sore Losers. 69 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: The sports podcast is obviously this one. Um. We always 70 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: say that another one's coming. I don't know, is it coming? 71 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: Are we close to the other one? How close? Pretty close? 72 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: All right? I give up saying we have another one again. Um, alright, 73 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: So appreciate you guys. I'm on Instagram, Mr Bobby Bones. 74 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: And if you like this podcast, heck, even if you don't, 75 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: if you have a second, go and rate this thing 76 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: with all the stars. Is it five stars or four 77 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: five stars? Give up five stars? Write a comment. And 78 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: we appreciate that because it moves us up to podcast rankings, 79 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: and if we're up higher, more people see it when 80 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: they're just looking for something to listen to me when 81 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: you're scrolling through the like, oh what's this? Yeah, so 82 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: check it out? All right, that's it. We do need 83 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: to change. But by the way, hey, where's your Joe Mike. 84 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: You guys have done a good job on that new 85 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,839 Speaker 1: thing where it's like me and the R like see 86 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: your face whatever, it's good. But we need to change 87 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: the main Bobby Cast image because when i'm you can 88 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: tell me why we can't or I shouldn't. When I'm 89 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: scrolling other people have cool pictures. Who knows what the 90 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: heck of Bobby Cast is. I just named it that 91 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: two and a half years ago because I don't know 92 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: to name it. We'll just call it something the Bobby Cast. 93 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: It's really not I didn't know what to name it. 94 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: What's your thought? Like, I've seen other people kind of 95 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: take that now, what like putting their name in cast 96 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 1: after you did it? I don't know. I don't know. 97 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: I don't think I invented that, but I have seen 98 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 1: people cloth right, But again I didn't invent that. But yes, people, 99 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: I know, yeah that's which is weird, Like yeah, but 100 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: again I didn't. I didn't admit that. But we should 101 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: change not the name of the podcast obviously, but the 102 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: header to be more attractive. Because when I'm scrolling through 103 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 1: looking for like a sports podcast to listen to, I 104 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: find a fun picture, I'm like, oh, it looks fun. 105 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe even a face on it. When 106 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: I have put my books out. I never want to 107 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: put a picture on the front of the book, and 108 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: they're like, no, you need to put a picture in 109 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: the front of the book because people feel like they 110 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: can see who's riding it, who's voice coming from. If 111 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 1: they don't know, we should do something like that. We 112 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 1: can keep the same dark, straight colors, but we should 113 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: do that. All right, here we go. This is Michael 114 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: Hobby from A Thousand Horses. By the way, check out 115 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: Velvet's Edge with Kelly Henderson, a lifestyle podcast for women. Um, yeah, 116 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: there you go. All right, here you go, Michael Hobby. 117 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to episode to three with Michael Hobby of A 118 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: Thousand Horses. And I was looking at I didn't realize 119 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: that you guys don't ever spell out that thout due 120 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: to the numbers. Do you know the numbers are wrong? 121 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: Twenty one Pilots has the thing too, where they don't 122 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: put the number. It's spelled t W E N T 123 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: Y And you guys are a thousand. No do people 124 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: spell it out? And does that annoy you? I mean, 125 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 1: we I got over it, but yeah, everybody writes one 126 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 1: thousand like the numbers and horses and I'm you know, 127 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: after a while, you're like, well, I mean whatever, we're 128 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: happy to be here. Was that a creative conversation or 129 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: me on to where Okay, we're just gonna we're spelling it, 130 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: we're not doing numerals. Well, where it came from was, 131 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: uh a song title that we had called A Thousand Horses. 132 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: That's just how we wrote the song. So when we 133 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: came up with it, we didn't have a band name 134 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: at the time. We had the terrible band name um, 135 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: but it was we had to come up. We were 136 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 1: with signed to a label and Interscope and we had 137 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: to come up with this. You know, they're like, we 138 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: gotta have a band name in like two weeks, like 139 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: no pressure. So you know, we we get out the 140 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: white board, everybody writes down a bunch of ridiculous names. 141 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: I mean space Wolf name space Wolf. Did you guys 142 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: lean in space Wolf's direction? Personally? I like space Wolf, 143 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: I like Spacebolf, but also like space hog. And it 144 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: makes me feel like that's what and you know what 145 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: that was that came up? Electric Buffalo. Okay, here's the question. Yeah, 146 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 1: it sounds like you're going to are your band names 147 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: are different exhibits of the zoo? Um? You mentioned that 148 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: the first interest up deal. So was that more of 149 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 1: a rock thing? And is that why electric and space 150 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 1: Because if you're a country band, I don't hear a 151 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: lot of you know, astronaut type names and country music. 152 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: But on then Interscope deal, because when I was over 153 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: in pop and hip hop, Interscope is a big big 154 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: deal for rock and pop bands. Was that more of 155 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: the idea we will be a shot ahead rock band? First? Well, no, 156 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: I mean we were always like a southern rock band. 157 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: I mean we all come from South Carolina and Georgia 158 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: and that was a big influence with us musically and 159 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: and with country music. You know, Alan Jackson was my 160 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: first concert, so like we were listening to that constantly 161 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: in the house. And then you know, my older brother 162 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: got into the grunge rock phase, so he was always 163 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: doing that and then so I mean we were just 164 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: were Yeah, we were a southern rock band, and like, 165 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: you know, how they thing came about was they were 166 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: looking to put together a group. I don't know if 167 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: you remember that back in the day of like an 168 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: Eagles type thing, and uh, Interscope was yeah, And and 169 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: my name came across as you know, uh to to 170 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: meet with him. And then when I met with them, 171 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: you know, I told I was like, well, guys, I 172 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: got my own band. Where do you go to meet 173 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: with them? Will you get an email from like a 174 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: guy Desmond Child? It was like to see the guy 175 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: that uh set me up. Like my wife Caroline introduced 176 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: me to Desmond because she knew him through Victoria. So 177 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: do you go to New York to meet with him? 178 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: I'm just curious about what building this is in? Like 179 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: they came to town, So they came to Nashville. Yeah, 180 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: and they said we're them, We'd like to meet with 181 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: you and they wanted to. Yeah. Yeah, So I can 182 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: give you the whole story if you want to hear, 183 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: Like how the whole interscipt our first record do we 184 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: ever got? Came about? How old are you? By the way, 185 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: when it starts, I was, yeah, um been in town. 186 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:40,719 Speaker 1: I moved to when I was eighteen so five, so 187 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: yeah it was um. Anyways, I met Desmond Child through 188 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: Victoria's Shaw and I do who that is, by the way, 189 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: I would have played cool and that like a Desmond 190 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: Child huge songwriter? Okay, yeah, like uh living on a 191 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: prayer Manjoe, I mean huge Aerosmith angel like big songwriter. UM, 192 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: so I was stoked when I got to meet this guy. 193 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 1: He wrote a bunch of huge hits and uh, I 194 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: guess the lady like Katie Perry's, um what was that song? 195 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: Woke up waking up in Vegas? Um? So he called. 196 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: I went to his house and played him some like 197 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 1: demos that we had and he was like okay, cool. 198 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: And he's like, I'll I'll be in touch and I 199 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: was like, all right, we'll see you later. So he 200 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 1: kind of took me under his wing and he introduced 201 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: me to a guy, Brian House, who had an imprint 202 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: with Interscope and he's the guy that like started Hinder 203 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: and founded them and reproduced that record and uh and uh. 204 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 1: He called his boss, who was Jeff's oz now who 205 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 1: was the head of A and R at Interscope, and said, Hey, 206 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: I got this kid and he's got a band and 207 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: I think they're really great. You want to come to 208 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: town and see him? And uh He's like sure, So 209 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: like next week he flew in. We get an email 210 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: from Jeff's assistant to meet him at the Hermitage Hotel. 211 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: How nervous do you get the one you get the 212 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: email saying someone's gonna come watch your band. They could 213 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: make they could they could change your life. I think 214 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: showcases are the worst like for artists to do. I 215 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: mean the conference room showcase to uh, you know, the 216 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: where they set up the tables and everybody comes in 217 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: at six o'clock for a show. I've never quite gotten that, 218 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: but it's worked for a lot of people, so great. 219 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: And Uh, anyway, so we go meet him at the 220 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: Hermit's Hotel. We go in his room. He's got four 221 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: chairs like set up in front of his bed, and 222 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: he hops in his bed and he goes, okay, cool, 223 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 1: play me some songs. And we're we got our acoustic guitars, 224 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: and we run through a song in this little hotel 225 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: room and he goes, okay, play me another one, and 226 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: so on and so forth, and he goes all right. 227 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: He's a very methodical guy. He's very quiet, and uh 228 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: He's like, can you play electric for me tomorrow? And 229 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: we're like yeah, I mean, hell yeah, we can play 230 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: whatever you want to do. Books the room at s 231 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: ar We go in um and honestly, it's crazy that 232 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: the people he brought with him, he brought Dave Cobb 233 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: with him, which we didn't know David at the time. Um, 234 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: and then an attorney and then another guy. Anyways, we 235 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: play on song and he walks up to the stage 236 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,959 Speaker 1: and he goes, welcome to Interscope Records, and we thought, 237 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: this is the greatest day of our life. We just 238 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: signed a major deal. Holy cal you didn't have a 239 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: name at this point, well we did. It was called 240 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: sterling Y, which is the name that Bill and I 241 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: guitar player, came up with back in South Carolina when 242 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: we started playing music together when we were teenagers. Um, 243 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,719 Speaker 1: and we moved to town together. So anyways, we knew 244 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: that name wasn't gonna work because we didn't like it either. 245 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: But I was saying name in a band's tough. Um. 246 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: But so anyways, two weeks later, we're in l A. 247 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: We're playing for Jimmy IV, you know, at his little club. 248 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: He's the final say so of anybody that gets signed. 249 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: So we go to his little clubs called the Time 250 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: Sign Club. It's right across the street from their office 251 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: in Santa Monica. We played three songs. Jeff says we're 252 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: good to go. We go to the Rainbow Room, like 253 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: old school style, and celebrated and then picked Dave to 254 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: do our first little six song EP. What's the conversation 255 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: though at the celebration, because again it sounds like a 256 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: whirl wind. Hey, we'll come to town. They come to town, 257 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: you play, then you play one song, and then it's 258 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 1: like you're in. But now let's go get really into 259 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: l A. Then you're in. I mean at that point 260 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: you've been through about five stages. It's like a callback, 261 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: call back and cons and then they go, yeah, you're in, 262 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: let's go celebrate. What is that? What are you thinking 263 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: at the celebration? What what is your head wrapping around 264 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: right then? Well, you know, like everybody's verbally like committed, 265 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: but then you gotta negotiate your contract, which you know 266 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: they always say, well, you know, hopefully everything works out 267 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: with us negotiating, so you know, and that takes they 268 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: they'll tell you it takes a month, but it takes six. 269 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 1: I don't care what anybody says. We've done a few 270 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 1: of them now and it's um that. But yeah, we 271 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: just celebrating like, hey, we got a team, and like 272 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: all these people are around and you know, they make 273 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: you feel like you're on top of the world and 274 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: you feel great because you're just some kids that land 275 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: at a record deal. Now you're in Los Angeles on 276 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: sunset and everybody's stoked about your band. I mean, it 277 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: was a dream come true for us. I mean I 278 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: still look back on it and think about those memories. So, Sterling, 279 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: why you're here? Did you guys? What were you gonna 280 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: stay in Nashville without the plan? Yeah? Yeah, So when 281 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 1: we picked Dave Cob to do the little EP that 282 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: we did, he had a house in Silver leg So 283 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: we went to Los Angeles, Los Angeles, Yeah, California. So 284 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 1: we went out there and stayed with him and we 285 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 1: spent three weeks recording in his little basement. You know, 286 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: this was before Dave was Dave and he was just 287 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: doing records too, and um we uh made the EP 288 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: and then went home and then it came out just 289 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: digitally like a little release. We were on tour, you know, 290 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: in our van. What year was this? This was two 291 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: thousand ten, Okay, so streaming really wasn't a super thing. Yeah, 292 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: you could download. Yeah, we were talking about we were 293 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: like gonna get high MySpace place, you know what I mean. 294 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: Uh So, yeah, we're on tour, it's like six months 295 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 1: into touring and we're out just rough, and we've always 296 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 1: been in a van, but this tour was like just 297 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: grew to like three months at a time. And uh 298 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: we get a call from uh raining and Fort Lauderdale, Florida, 299 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: and ever forget We just got off a skinner cruise. 300 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 1: We did the Lenear Skinners simple Man cruise, and we're 301 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: about to start back up and we're in a hotel 302 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: in Fort Lauderdale, raining like crazy, and our manager calls 303 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: us and says, Interscopes, let go of all rock bands 304 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: and rock department. They've shut down the vision the label 305 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: of d g C. And we're just like, oh man, 306 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: how does that conversation get to that point? Does do you? 307 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: Did you take the call by the way where the 308 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: one I was always a guy that takes call. Do 309 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: you remember because there are certain times in my life 310 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: where I can vividly remember looking at my phone and 311 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: seeing a call and answering and knowing every part of 312 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: the call right there. There are three or four times 313 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: in my life. Do you remember that call? Yes? Absolutely? 314 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: And how does your manager warm you up to that 315 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: or does your manager go right to it? Like like 316 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: Michael what you just got dropped? Well, it was you 317 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: kind of could feel it in the area anyways, you know, 318 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: because we'd had conversations before because the label wasn't really 319 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: doing anything and we couldn't get really any answers, and 320 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: that's always a pretty big red flag. And then we 321 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: talked to some other friends that were bands on the 322 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: on the roster, and they were getting the same thing. 323 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: And then so the call, when I answered it, I 324 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: knew it was gonna be you guys are gonna be 325 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: okay or we gotta figure something out, and it was 326 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: your drops and we gotta figure something out. What do 327 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: you do with the tour? Do you keep going? Yeah? 328 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: We had to finish. Everything was booked already. Yeah, I mean, 329 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: and and what's funny is in our agent quit right 330 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: after that, of course Classic and uh and then our 331 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: management we parted ways. But we finished the tour and 332 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: then we came back home to Nashville and like regrouped. 333 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: Were you a thousand horses at this point? Yes, we were. Yeah, 334 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: we were already a thousand horses this point. So Sterling 335 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: I was dead when we did that deal. And then 336 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: thousand Horses was born in Dave's garage. So okay, so 337 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: you get you're in you're in Florida, the whole thing disintegrates. 338 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: There is no in front of that that the rock 339 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: part of Interscope is done. So not just do anyone 340 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: else get dropped? A note. You can have big bands 341 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: like Marilyn Manson and popa Roach and like some other things, 342 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: and like if you weren't really in the pop world, 343 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: it was pretty much done because boy band I mean 344 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: boy bands, and they've been humongous in pop, like in 345 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: my time in pop, they were probably the biggest record 346 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: label that would constantly blow acts up like Interscope is massive. Yeah, 347 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: I mean they had a bunch of huge I mean 348 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: you still have a fuge stuff. But yeah, I guess 349 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: who was on was Instinct, Yeah yeah, and then Biscuit 350 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: was huge and eminem and so you get dropped. You 351 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: go back to nash. How much longer do you have 352 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: to tour? And are you just defeated? Like six months? 353 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: You had six months because this was in January and 354 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: we weren't there. Last date was in like June or July. Okay, 355 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: so you're still out, You're grinding trying to figu yourself 356 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: out while you're grinding it. Yeah, no tour support, and 357 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: we weren't making any money, I mean anything, so we 358 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: were you get crafty um. So yeah, we come home. 359 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: We didn't really know what we were gonna do. You know, 360 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:04,120 Speaker 1: we had a bunch of songs that we had written, 361 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: so we regrouped and you know, all the new material 362 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: leaned like where we are now, you know as a 363 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 1: southern rock country band, and you know, we just kind 364 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: of started plugging away at that and and you know, 365 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: we we signed it with CIA. They came to the table, 366 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: and then we met our manager, a new manager at 367 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 1: the time, Scott McGee and Doc McGhee and then uh, 368 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: that's when we had Jimmy Harden at Republic or Big 369 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: Machine and signed a deal with him. So how long 370 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: between you getting dropped and you're signing a new deal? 371 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 1: Um a four years? And then what's the celebration like 372 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: the second time you signed? Well, I mean yeah, I 373 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: guess you know, it's different. It's always different the second time. 374 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: But what was crazy about that is, you know, we 375 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: were kind of a band that always bets on ourselves 376 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: and in any type of defeat and just you know, 377 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: if you don't stop it won't stop. It's kind of 378 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: our mentality. So what we did too, we had to 379 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: you know, Dave would record us because he moved to 380 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: town too, so he'd record us, and we exchange for recording. 381 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 1: We'd clean his studio or we'd help him move gear 382 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: and he could use our band trailer and things like that. 383 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: So one day we're like, man, we gotta make a 384 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: full length record, Like we can't make two or three 385 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 1: songs here and there in this. So we all got 386 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: on our phones and called our credit card companies to 387 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: try to get a lot of like to put it 388 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: on a credit card. Because day was like, pay the musicians, 389 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: pay this and don't worry about me, and we'll we'll 390 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:26,360 Speaker 1: just make a ten twelveth song record. Wow, yeah, huge, huge, 391 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: And uh couldn't get any credit card. But you're paying 392 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,360 Speaker 1: your bill on time though, yeah we didn't. I don't 393 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 1: even that's the question because if you're paying the bill 394 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: on time, did you pay your bills on time in 395 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: twenty one? I don't know. That's that's the whole thing though, 396 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: is is And I know a few people who have 397 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: done that, who have said, hey, I'm gonna kind of 398 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: bet at all myself the most notable and I don't 399 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: know him. I met him. I don't know as Kevin Smith, 400 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 1: who did Clerks and mall Rats and Chasing Amy. So 401 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: what his whole story is is that he had no money. 402 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: He wanted to make clerks, so he opened a bunch 403 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: of credit cards and put the whole thing on credit. 404 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: He was like, believe in myself so much. I'm just 405 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: gonna finance the whole thing on credit. I bet you 406 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 1: it's a hundred of one. Didn't work out for people, 407 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: for sure. You guys couldn't even get credit. Yeah we could. 408 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 1: You never even had the shot there. But so you 409 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: do record the music. So yeah, what we did is 410 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: actually had a friend of mine who was the head 411 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: of Avenue Bank, and he'd become a really good buddy, 412 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: and he was always a fan of our band, and 413 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: he believes in us. And I don't know if he 414 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 1: likes people doing this but or thinking banks should do this. 415 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 1: But he gave us a line of credit and he's 416 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 1: he said, I'll never give you more than I know 417 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 1: you can't pay me back sweeping my parking lots, and 418 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: we're like deal. So he hooked you up. So he 419 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: hooked us up How does he write that on paper? 420 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: How does he That's what I'm saying. That's why I 421 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, we talked about it now, but 422 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: um and and we did it. And then that led 423 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: to our deal, you know, with with Big Machine and 424 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: Republic with Jimmy because we took that chance. We we 425 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: we got that opportunity before the even record was done. 426 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,360 Speaker 1: They heard it, and so we just kind of moved 427 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: right into you know that world. What were you doing 428 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,479 Speaker 1: for four years to pay the bills? I worked at 429 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: Buckle in Cool Springs? Is that because here my experience 430 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: of the Buckle not a not a great one. I 431 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 1: apologize for you used to go there a lot. But 432 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: here's my thing with the hip thing with the Buckle. 433 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: Would go into the Buckle and I need a pair 434 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 1: of jeans, and so I go in and I would say, 435 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: I'm a thirty one and I find me a pair 436 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: of jeans that I like. And I don't like the 437 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: jeans two shaved or I don't like fancy pockets. You know. 438 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: So I'm I'm I don't like I don't like to 439 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:31,919 Speaker 1: be the jeans to be the story of who I am. 440 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 1: I'd like the jeans to be there. The rest of 441 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: me will define who I am. My jeans are just 442 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: they're just they're they're placeholders for the rest of me. 443 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: And so I get my jeans and put them on. 444 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: I go into the dressing and put them on, and 445 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, there's like seven things coming over 446 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: the top of the dressing room door, like this show 447 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: look great with those. Here's a bell, here's a T shirt. 448 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: What do you think about this? Here's a corset. I'm like, 449 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: don't you go the corset? So that so you had 450 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 1: to do that at the buckle? You didn't. I didn't 451 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: really like that either, so I would kind of figure 452 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: out ways to not be that guy. Did they tell 453 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: you to do that? Though someone grab something, you need 454 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 1: to grab things that match exactly. Do you make commission? Yeah? 455 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 1: I would do that too. Then yeah, yeah, I lost 456 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 1: just lost a lot of hate for that because if 457 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 1: it's the commission, I would do that too. Well. Now, 458 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: when I go into stores, like, uh, like, if I 459 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 1: see shirts, un fold them up because people would come 460 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: in like you do this immaculate table, It's take you 461 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: an hour and then people just come in and just 462 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: throw your stuff where I'm like, God, come on, let 463 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: me grab it armed people awesome and sucky because that's 464 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: what I learned and working in service because I had 465 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: waited tables or did a marina, I did maintenance on 466 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: a golf course. I have all these jobs where people 467 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 1: could really make my day so much easier and better 468 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: with just a little bit of um being nice kind 469 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: that they could also really piss me off and ruin 470 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: my day too by doing things, especially in the restaurant 471 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: business especially I worked a hobby lobby and where people 472 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: would when people would come in and just knock over 473 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: complete racks and displays like you're talking about with shirts, 474 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: just you do just like one second to fix it. 475 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: And and you're talking about because I want he just 476 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 1: displays now and it'll give me PTSD display PTSD. I 477 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: gotta fix it back for them because I know somebody's 478 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 1: struggling with that. So I feel the same way. And 479 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 1: so when I when I see it's funny that you 480 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: say that about shirts, because I do that with corner 481 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: displays like edge displays. So you're working at Buckle, how 482 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: long did you work there? Just like a few years 483 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: off and on? And then what's our guitar player? Zach 484 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: had a photo booth rental company, so we would go 485 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 1: work for him, like doing photo booth events and like 486 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: setting it up, set it up, and like stand there 487 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 1: and he'd you know, he'd pay us to do that 488 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 1: because that was his side hustle. So we all kind 489 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: of jumped in on that, and you guys all decided 490 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: you were gonna stay together. We did. Yeah, was there 491 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: ever a minute where you go, you don't want me 492 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 1: to try to my coobby project? No? I mean I 493 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: never wanted to. You know, I've never I've always wanted 494 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 1: to be in a band, and I've never really had 495 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: like a big desire to do a solo thing. Even 496 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: even when opportunities were presented. It was always like, well, 497 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: I want to, I want to. These are my brothers 498 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: and we grew up together and we're best friends in 499 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 1: our families, your best friends, and you know, this is 500 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: what we do. It's kind of was always my thing. 501 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: So you're working at Buckle, You're you're working the photo booth. 502 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: You're just hustling so you can hustle harder at something 503 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: else later, Because it's a difference on hustling o something 504 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 1: you love. You were hustling to do something you loved. Yes, absolutely, 505 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: So you're making them, you're making money to pay the bills, 506 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 1: did you were you guys playing together at all? And 507 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: and you know, we play in town like we and 508 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: we tour regionally like we'd go out and do these 509 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: gigs and people would give us opportunities. And when we 510 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: took every opportunity we could get what did anyone ever 511 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 1: see a buckle and gohahs, Oh my god, I saw 512 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: you play a show? Uh no, I don't think so. 513 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 1: So it had been cool, that'd have been my day. Yeah. Right, 514 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 1: you're playing a little bit and you cut this record 515 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: and who hears it though as you're making it, and 516 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: they go, hey, this may be a cool thing for us. Well, 517 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: I guess our manager, Scott you know, was was with us. 518 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: He just signed on with us, and because he'd heard 519 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: some demos and yeah, I didn't even know that he 520 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: was playing it four people, you know, so he was. 521 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 1: I guess he was playing golf, he said, and with 522 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: with Jimmy Harden and he played it for him on 523 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: like the last hole one. Jim he was like, oh, 524 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: let me hear it again. And then speaking of showcases, 525 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: we get to do the awkward conference for him showcase 526 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: for him and his staff, and then we do it 527 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 1: again for for Scott Borchetta A Big Machine, which was 528 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: funny because like this showcase, I messed up the first song, 529 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 1: like I didn't. No one knows this, but I sing 530 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: the chorus twice and I never went into the verse. 531 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 1: But the band covered me. So the course was the 532 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: best part anyways. And uh, and you know Scott's sitting 533 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 1: like right here in front of me, like just as 534 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: as nerve racking as it gets, you know, And uh, 535 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: I mess up the first song, So I'm like, you know, 536 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: did they know you messed up? Okay? So so really 537 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 1: get didn't messed up? Because if they're covering you, and 538 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: you don't because I mess up a lot, but you 539 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 1: know that feeling you get, yeah, and you gotta pull 540 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 1: yourself balance balance. Yeah. So luckily we pulled ourselves together 541 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: and kept playing songs and that, and you know when 542 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 1: we left there, we weren't sure that wasn't like a 543 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 1: slam dunk. And uh, talk about though for a second, 544 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: because I've been in these rooms where you're playing for 545 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: someone and they're giving there's like four people watching you, 546 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: and you're pouring your heart into something and they're looking 547 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: at you like this, there's nodding their head really not. 548 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 1: You know, it's different than to show people are pumped. 549 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 1: They've seen a thousand bands come through. You really can't 550 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: read them. They almost don't want you to read them. 551 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 1: I could agree with that. And even if they're loving you, 552 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: they may crack a smile or but for the most part, 553 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: they never show it. And for you, as a performer, 554 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 1: you're playing towards something that's isn't giving you anything back. 555 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: And that's the hardest to do, is to play towards 556 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: something that isn't reciprocating anything back. And that's what you 557 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: guys do as artists. In these you talk about how 558 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 1: weird it is to go into these rooms and do 559 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: these showcases. I mean, I have to imagine that's what 560 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: it was like playing in front of Borshadow. Yeah, I 561 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 1: mean it led to great opportunity. But I recommend everybody. 562 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,479 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, if you get the shot. But it's 563 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: like comedians who go on Saturday and a lot of 564 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: the talk about warming in front of um, Laura Michael's 565 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: and he just he doesn't move and even though he 566 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: loves him, he's just like, all right, next Yeah, you 567 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: get a phone call the next day of good or bad, 568 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: and if it's good, and that's it. It's just like okay, 569 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,199 Speaker 1: all right, here we go. Let's get to work. But 570 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,439 Speaker 1: you play it and then how long until you know 571 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: that the deal at Republic Big Machine is actually gonna 572 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 1: work for you? Guys? We got a little word that night, 573 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 1: but the next day, what's the word that night? What's 574 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: a little word that night? I mean like he did great, 575 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 1: feels good, We'll be in touch when you left the room, 576 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,360 Speaker 1: did feel good? No, I don't think so. I don't 577 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: think any of us were like super stokes about you know, 578 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,719 Speaker 1: how it went down, and plus I'm in my head 579 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 1: about messing up and anyways, you know. But I was like, 580 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: you know, we're all positive and optimistic. It's like, well shit, 581 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 1: I mean we did it. What songs did you play? 582 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: Remember man old songs like some landslide that's I think 583 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: it's still out Tennessee. Whiskey was a song. We played 584 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 1: a bunch of other songs we didn't end up cutting 585 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: and uh, and we played I think they wanted to 586 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: would play like tin song Holy crap. I mean it 587 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: was a record. Yeah, we played like a whole set. 588 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: Like I even thought, I was like, really, did you 589 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 1: stand up or sit down? We're standing up? Yeah, right 590 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: at the end of the coward really weird. Yeah, that's 591 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: part of it though. It is. So you get the 592 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: call the next day, tell me, tell me about the 593 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: phone call. Yeah, Like our manager calls and staid we're 594 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: doing a deal, and they and we did the deal. 595 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: I mean that was pretty much it whenever we call it. 596 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: When you going to round two, you've been through it once, 597 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 1: so you're probably not as wide eyed and just like 598 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: life has changed, but you're like, we got a shot again, right, 599 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,679 Speaker 1: it's gotta be a different a different optimistic feeling than 600 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 1: it was the first time. Yeah, I mean you feel 601 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: lucky for sure, and then you're like okay, like you 602 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: still swept the small stuff because you're like, well, this 603 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: will take a while and they'll get it all worked out. 604 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: And you know, do you get money initially when you 605 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: signed a deal? Uh? No, we did not. Uh did 606 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 1: you have to keep working your side hustles after you 607 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: signed the Dude, I did a pub deal. I gotta 608 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: pub deal with Water Chapel before that. So you're being 609 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 1: hay to write. Yeah, so that took That took me 610 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: out of the work working force game, which was like 611 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: about probably a year before we did that deal. I 612 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,199 Speaker 1: got a pub deal. You Did you ever have any cuts? Uh? No, 613 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: I mean not no. Do you feel like they signed 614 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: you because they knew as an artist you would probably 615 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: hit soon and they wanted you as a writer because 616 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: of what you were going to write for you as 617 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: an artist? Did you feel like there was anything there 618 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: with that? You know? I think I think when it 619 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: comes to artists and writers in town, the separation is 620 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 1: if your sign as a writer and an artist, you're 621 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 1: viewed as an artist, you know, and and there's a 622 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 1: difference between just being a soul writer, you know, like 623 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: a lot of our friends that we have. But so 624 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: I think that's you know, people write writers and artists 625 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: talked about at all the time, like what's the the difference? 626 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: Like why can't I be an artist and a writer 627 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 1: for other people as well? Or you know, why can't 628 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: these songs be cut and I'll just cut these from 629 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: my project and do this. Um, you know, that's a 630 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: that's something that comes up all the time. I had 631 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: that conversation, you know, last night with a friend. It's like, 632 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,719 Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess My point is if I 633 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: thought that you in the next year or two would 634 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: be good enough as an artist to get a deal, 635 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: I would try to sign you as a writer because 636 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: my assumption is you're gonna write songs for you as 637 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: an artist, and that's where I'm gonna make my money. Totally, 638 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: absolutely so. Do you feel like that someone had faith 639 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: in you as an artist a year prior that signed 640 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: you to a published deal or they just saw you 641 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: as a writer Michael Howe the writer and signed you 642 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: to a pub deal. I think they just saw me 643 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: as a writer, an artist who writes his own songs, 644 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: so level one, Yeah, yeah, cool, that's good. That's someone 645 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: investing money in you a year prior to you landing 646 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: an artist deal. Because a lot a lot of my 647 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: friends were artists. They get a pub deal for a 648 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: year and a half, they don't have a record deal, 649 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: but whoever signed them just was betting early money that 650 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: they would get signed eventually. And then if you're an 651 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: artist writer, you're gonna write most of your own stuff, 652 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: and that's how you're gonna make your money back, because 653 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: those you're gonna get cuts because you're writing your own cuts. 654 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: So you go over and you guys are like, wow, 655 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: we gotta deal. So what what what? What do you 656 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: do as a band? Like, what's what's the first thing 657 00:29:58,680 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: when you get to deal at the second time? What 658 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: do you? Well? We went keep writing, so and uh 659 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: we kept writing. We you know, book studio. We went 660 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: right back in to finish the record and kind of 661 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: redo some stuff and it was like September of two 662 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: four we did that, and uh, I wrote all the 663 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: way up till the day we started the record, and 664 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: thank god I did, because the last song I wrote 665 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: for the record was Smoke, and it came in in 666 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: the eleventh hour. Turn it in first song we cut, 667 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: and then first single, and you know, then it all 668 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: that that began, which is crazy. Here's a little bit 669 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: of smoke from a thousand and we'll get around to 670 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: being a number one song in just a second. But 671 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: what's interesting is the last song I wrote got on 672 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: the record ended up being the single because it's not 673 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: just you, guys, has happened to a lot of friends 674 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: go but as the last song I wrote. Now, my 675 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: theory is this that it's the last song you wrote, 676 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: and it's the one you for sure. Remember you're very 677 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: passionate about because you just finish to it's so top 678 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: of mind, and you've been writing so much and you 679 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: know what you're writing for because you're you're building, You're 680 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: you're writing for a record. Now, I could be telling 681 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: it wrong in this situation, I think. I think there's 682 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: a lot of truth to that. And you're like calibrated, 683 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: you know of what you're doing, and yeah, the excitement 684 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: and what you need and yeah, you're like that focus 685 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,479 Speaker 1: is like really strong, especially like up to the you know, 686 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: the game. Did you feel like you were trying to 687 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 1: write a radio single when you wrote Smoke? Like did 688 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: you walk in the room and go, all right, we 689 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: gotta I need a we need a radio song, we 690 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: need to hit. I was just in the room, right, 691 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: you know. And that's what's funny, Like I wasn't even 692 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: like planning on writing anymore because they told me that 693 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 1: the record was done, but I just like to write. 694 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 1: And they had this right lined up and which was 695 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: with Ross Copperman and John Knight, which, by the way, massive, huge, 696 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: So yeah, like I'm not gonna go into that, yeah massive, 697 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: right with guys who are just monster songwriters, producers, so yeah, 698 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: all above, those guys are incredible. What's that room? Like? 699 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 1: You walk into the room, and again I'm asking you 700 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: to pull deep from the memory tap. You walk into 701 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: the room, and how does this concept come up? Okay, yeah, 702 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: so the concept came up. I walk in and I 703 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: met Ross and John and uh, I was wearing a 704 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: BlackBerry smoke hat, the camouflage BlackBerry smoke at I still 705 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: have it. Um, And you know, we're sitting there and 706 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: like hass around ideas and Ross has got a vibe 707 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: going and and uh I think he said he was. 708 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: Was he building a track going on about this? Yeah? 709 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: You know what he does, That's what he does. He 710 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: does his thing, and um, he's like, let's writing a 711 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: song about what about the title smoke? You know, he's 712 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: looking at my hat and I was like, okay, that 713 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 1: could be cool. And like then you start hashing and 714 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: it's like, well, what about an addictive relationship? It's toxic 715 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: but compared to you know, a cigarette in a way, 716 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: and uh, and then it just kind of fell out. 717 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: I mean it didn't take us very long at all, 718 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: and then we had it. He sent me the demo 719 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: at midnight that day. I played it and sent it 720 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: to my guys and send it the label and management. 721 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: And then the next morning just the phone lit up 722 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: and we're like, this is the one, Like this is 723 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 1: the first single. Let's let's go crazy. How it was 724 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: the last minute thing? You got the demo in and 725 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: time everything. Yeah, I think we started recording September five. 726 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: I wrote a September three. Whenever you're nailing something with 727 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: Ross and he goes, he gets that's his enthusiasm is 728 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: what makes the right which man, Yeah, he's got his thing. 729 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: That's that's Ross. So you're right, this right on the 730 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: edge of the record. It's gonna become the first single 731 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: when you signed a new deal. How much of them 732 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: is picking the single? How much of you care that 733 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: they picked the single? I mean, I think in any situation, 734 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: whatever they felt was the strongest way to lead and whatever, 735 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: they're gonna put the reference behind exactly. I mean, that's 736 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: their job, not ours, as the way I always look 737 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: at it. I mean, you can voice your opinion, but 738 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: that was you know, we're just in there and like 739 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: this thing's happening fast, and you know they're like, we're 740 00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: gonna go with this one, and it's getting great. Response. 741 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: You know how that that world goes and so we're like, hell, yeah, 742 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: that sounds great. What you know, we love all these songs. 743 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: So so it goes to radio. And did you feel 744 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 1: like it was going to be a success at first? 745 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 1: It wasn't? On the verge? Was that the biggest So, 746 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: which is the biggest thing you can get as a 747 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 1: new artist new song because it's the biggest company playing 748 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,240 Speaker 1: your song the most amount of times, and so, holy crap, 749 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: there's a lot that's happened quickly. New Deal wrote a 750 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 1: song on the record, it's gonna be the single. Now 751 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: you're on the verge. Yeah. And then when a debuted 752 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: debut at like seven, which is not normal. No. Yeah, 753 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 1: so we're sitting here going, wait this how this works? 754 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: You know, I mean kind of blown away by it? 755 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 1: And then you know that's when it all began. And 756 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: you know, you learn a lot in that time period, 757 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 1: and we were just going a million miles a minute 758 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: in that process and it Yeah, and then it just 759 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: kept climbing and kept going and everything was perfect. What 760 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,319 Speaker 1: was kind of the apex of that Smoke run where 761 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: the song was killing it, like you do something real cool? 762 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 1: I don't know, if it's a TV show, if it 763 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: was a festival, like where did you go? Holy crap, 764 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 1: this thing this song had right now has taken us. 765 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: Just do this man, I mean, I guess you know, 766 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: getting to do like Kimmel was awesome and and uh, 767 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,839 Speaker 1: you know we did The Morning Good Morning America. I think, yeah, 768 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: and uh, but like some of those big festivals like 769 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 1: the Tortigos I mean I remember, I mean, uh Root 770 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 1: ninety one festival we did in Vegas like sixteen fifteen 771 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: or six sixteen, and that was like I still have 772 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: a video of that where these the entire place is 773 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: lit up in like the whole crowd at night is 774 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 1: just and that for me was a moment where it 775 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: was like wow, I mean, because you know when a 776 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 1: song it went number one and then you're out on 777 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,359 Speaker 1: these tours, but when you go back out on another tour, 778 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,919 Speaker 1: that's when you start to see the people have really 779 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: heard it, and you know, there's moments like that, you know, 780 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 1: Tortugo was one of those moments. And and then being 781 00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 1: out on the road with like Al Deane, you know 782 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: towards the end of that too, where you started to 783 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 1: see that the arena light up you know, and and 784 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,760 Speaker 1: those are things that you know you'll never forget still 785 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: to this day, you know, when it happens, so smoke 786 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 1: kills it. We're gonna run through a couple of these 787 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: other ones, so that ain't no drunk dial. Here's this 788 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:18,919 Speaker 1: one here, So this one peaks according to my chart 789 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,959 Speaker 1: here at three. Yeah. So after you have a number 790 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,879 Speaker 1: one and the song goes to twenty three and kind 791 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: of peters out, How what what's the conversation like in 792 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: between the band members when that happens. I mean, to 793 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:36,359 Speaker 1: be honest with you, that was super stressful, you know, 794 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 1: for where we were at and what we were doing. 795 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: And you know, that was a point where things really 796 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 1: started to like get wobbly, you know that quick you know, 797 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 1: as quick as that other one happened, is as quick 798 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: as they got wobbly. So it put us in a 799 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: very I mean, it was a stressful time, you know, 800 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 1: I mean it was. It was when tension started to 801 00:36:55,520 --> 00:37:00,320 Speaker 1: build build between you know, our situation with la Able 802 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 1: in a way, and then you know, we were like 803 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 1: what's going on? You know, like you know, are we 804 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 1: were just frustrated, you know, and like nothing was happened, 805 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 1: but why does this song look like you couldn't have 806 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,400 Speaker 1: gone farther? I mean, it got that high in a 807 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,319 Speaker 1: very short period of time. So we're like, well, let's 808 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 1: keep pushing, you know. Let's did you feel like you're 809 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 1: feeling was the label stopped before they should have and 810 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: you're feeling right? Right or wrong? Was your feeling? As 811 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,880 Speaker 1: a band man, you got to keep pushing, you know, 812 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 1: we didn't know any We just we kind of trusted 813 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 1: them that that was the right thing to do, to 814 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: be honest with you, and we didn't really know any better. 815 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: We thought, well that you know, if they want to 816 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 1: put come off of it, then they'll come off it, 817 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,880 Speaker 1: will come with something else, and that's okay. You know, 818 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: let's let's just keep keep rocking. But looking back, I 819 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 1: think maybe pushed a little harder, you know, in our end, 820 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 1: but we didn't We didn't really know any better. So 821 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:56,880 Speaker 1: you have a couple other songs, uh, Southern reality, like 822 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,280 Speaker 1: a Southern Reality and then preaching to the choir depot 823 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 1: didn't work at least radio wise. Yeah, that that was 824 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:10,439 Speaker 1: That was when we were like talking about timing. That's 825 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 1: when we were like in the position to get out 826 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 1: of this, like situation that we were in. So that 827 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 1: song came out and then we parted ways. How did 828 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 1: that go down? It was just more like, you know, 829 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,360 Speaker 1: they wanted us. It just was the relationship wasn't working 830 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 1: any What do they want from you that you didn't 831 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 1: want from you? Well, I think it got it to 832 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,479 Speaker 1: the point of trying to change things to a big 833 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,120 Speaker 1: degree for us, Like fundamentally they wanted to change something 834 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: with you guys. Yeah, like what you know, just you 835 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 1: know what we musically and like recording wise, and like 836 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 1: we started trying different hats on. You know, we got 837 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,359 Speaker 1: in that situation where we're trying different things and try 838 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 1: different people and we're cutting you know, an outside song 839 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 1: and we're doing this, which is great. We love that song. 840 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 1: We think it's a great song. Um, and it just 841 00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: got really like cloudy and like really like heavy, you know, 842 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 1: and it just wasn't the relationship wasn't the right where 843 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 1: it needed to be. So we just both agreed two, 844 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 1: you know, walk away, and they were super great about it. 845 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 1: We were super great about it. We went out and 846 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,759 Speaker 1: had drinks after it, you know, and we took our 847 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,840 Speaker 1: things and we went home. And then they continue to 848 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 1: do what they do. So it wasn't like a big 849 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,360 Speaker 1: you know, fight or argument or anything. It was more like, Okay, 850 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:30,759 Speaker 1: we need to go be a band and you know, 851 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 1: our career is still here and before anything else happens, 852 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 1: like can we go do our thing? And they said, 853 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,920 Speaker 1: you know, we just all agreed on that. That's what was. 854 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 1: It really was a blessing and they changed our life, 855 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,239 Speaker 1: you know with that was what we did on that 856 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,439 Speaker 1: first record. And the difference between not having a record 857 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,840 Speaker 1: deal after the first one and the second one is 858 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,440 Speaker 1: people now know your music and you can still go 859 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,840 Speaker 1: tour and make money. Yeah, you can go and actually sleep. 860 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 1: So even though you're not in a record deal, people 861 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 1: now knew what thousand horses because of the success that 862 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 1: you had. Yeah, so you're able to go out and 863 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:03,920 Speaker 1: play shows and actually maintain a lifestyle. Do they still 864 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 1: when you broke off? How long do they have like 865 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,200 Speaker 1: part of your part of your deal, part of your 866 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 1: touring or was it all like it right then done? Yeah? 867 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 1: So yeah we went back back on the road and regroup. 868 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 1: What are we gonna do next? So you know, we 869 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: did like we did the first time. We it's got 870 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,400 Speaker 1: a while to think about, but we uh had a 871 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:30,440 Speaker 1: bunch of songs, wrote a bunch of songs. Called Dave said, hey, 872 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 1: we want to make a record. Same guy, same freaking guy. 873 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,319 Speaker 1: We want to make a record. By the way, he's 874 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,400 Speaker 1: much elevated. He's elevated, we're elevated. So we're all in 875 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 1: a way better situation. But you know each other, and 876 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,440 Speaker 1: we known each other for ten years, so I mean, 877 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 1: Dave's like family to us. And he calls us his 878 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,799 Speaker 1: little hippie brothers. So we called him and he goes, okay, cool, Well, 879 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,640 Speaker 1: come play me the music. So we sat playing some music. 880 00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,239 Speaker 1: He's like all right. So we went to Hooters, and 881 00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,520 Speaker 1: he loves Hooters, and we had these little Hooters cards 882 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,400 Speaker 1: for a minute where you got free Hooters, So we 883 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,239 Speaker 1: went there all the time. How did you get a 884 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,480 Speaker 1: Hooters card? A friend of a friend, a girl that 885 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,719 Speaker 1: a regional that worked for Big Machine had a friend 886 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 1: that like, I don't know, owned Hooters, or like a 887 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,799 Speaker 1: gold card. If you just go it says, you know, 888 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,399 Speaker 1: you eat for free on us, and you just how 889 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,359 Speaker 1: long a year at a time? Holy crap? And did 890 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,000 Speaker 1: they cancel it at some point? Did the record label 891 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 1: call and be like, wait, wasn't It wasn't a label thing. 892 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 1: It was just her friend things. So, I mean we 893 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 1: had them for a couple of years and then we 894 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,640 Speaker 1: didn't get them. Would you take advantage of that? Would 895 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,319 Speaker 1: you go a lit Yeah we would. Yeah, absolutely, I 896 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,320 Speaker 1: got here. I had an out back one. That's cool. 897 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,799 Speaker 1: I know, it was really cool and and so and 898 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,360 Speaker 1: I forget the name of the company. Where there's a company. 899 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 1: Well crop was part of it too, but they all 900 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 1: were owned. Yeah, and they were like, here's a card, 901 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,359 Speaker 1: go whenever you want. It was like outback Corrobs, bone 902 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,520 Speaker 1: Fish Grill. There were like four of them on this. 903 00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,719 Speaker 1: I never used it. This is a gold mine, I know, 904 00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,520 Speaker 1: and I was so I didn't. I was so scared 905 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,719 Speaker 1: of being the guy that was looking like he was 906 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,920 Speaker 1: going to take free food. I never used it. It's 907 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:09,319 Speaker 1: out of my wallet, bloom big tips right right right. 908 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,360 Speaker 1: I know. I just felt like looking back, looking back, 909 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:16,880 Speaker 1: I wish I would have used it a lot. You 910 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,279 Speaker 1: had a good varide, I did. We were just we 911 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,919 Speaker 1: were stuck in one spot. Yeah that's a good spot though. Yeah, 912 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,359 Speaker 1: so you're going to Hooters. He goes to Hooters. What 913 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 1: what's he doing at Hooters to make to decide. Well, 914 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:27,960 Speaker 1: he knew we had these cards, so like we just 915 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,600 Speaker 1: got a bunch of wings and uh, he loves you know, 916 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,200 Speaker 1: we all love footers, and uh he said, all right, cool, 917 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,040 Speaker 1: we're gonna make the record and this is what we're 918 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,520 Speaker 1: gonna do. But just gotta schedule it and we'll do it. 919 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,839 Speaker 1: But it's just gonna be us and me and you 920 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,400 Speaker 1: guys and that hip. We're like great. So gets scheduled. 921 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,880 Speaker 1: We lock ourselves in his studio in our c a 922 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,919 Speaker 1: for a month or three weeks in September. Another September thing. 923 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:51,719 Speaker 1: Where are you getting the money, by the way, to 924 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,759 Speaker 1: make this record? We just yourself. Okay, so you went 925 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,879 Speaker 1: on the road, you save money touring for the record? Yeah, 926 00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 1: once again, but on ourselves. Same guy at the bank said, 927 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,480 Speaker 1: well I'll go in a little heavier this time. Is 928 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,799 Speaker 1: good for him? Yeah, well we've already, we've done well 929 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,760 Speaker 1: in the first You didn't make him look smart already? 930 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,560 Speaker 1: Did you pay that one back all the way immediately immediately? 931 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,319 Speaker 1: That was a great One of the greatest things you know, 932 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,920 Speaker 1: to pay off isn't to prove someone right? Really like 933 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,440 Speaker 1: a wonderful blessing to prove someone right that believes in 934 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,240 Speaker 1: you absolutely. For a lot of my life, people were 935 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:27,840 Speaker 1: and I felt this way and you may feel this 936 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,040 Speaker 1: way too. For a lot of it, I was trying 937 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:33,880 Speaker 1: to prove the naysayer is wrong a lot of people. 938 00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,279 Speaker 1: I didn't think I, or you or anyone else would 939 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,399 Speaker 1: turn out to you know, we come from places where 940 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,839 Speaker 1: a lot of people don't. You know, don't because it's 941 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,320 Speaker 1: not because they can, it's because they don't chase their dreams. 942 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,160 Speaker 1: When when you're told that your dreams can't come real, 943 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,799 Speaker 1: sometimes you got more than me. I shouldn't chase them, um, 944 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,400 Speaker 1: And I think that happens a lot in places like 945 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,399 Speaker 1: we're from. But whenever people would say now, you can't 946 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:56,640 Speaker 1: do it because of where you came from, for a 947 00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,080 Speaker 1: lot of my life, I thought I'm just gonna prove 948 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,440 Speaker 1: them all wrong. But then there was that point or 949 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,160 Speaker 1: it flipped for me and it was I'm going to 950 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,279 Speaker 1: prove them all right that bet on me or then 951 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,200 Speaker 1: invested in me. I've never actually thought about it like 952 00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,959 Speaker 1: in flipping it of like the people that really believe 953 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,399 Speaker 1: in you and letting them have the glory as well. 954 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,799 Speaker 1: And to me it has become one of you know, 955 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,560 Speaker 1: my favorite things to do is to go to someone 956 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,560 Speaker 1: and say, hey, you believe to me. And I was 957 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,839 Speaker 1: able to achieve this because of what you did for 958 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,080 Speaker 1: me back. And it's also encouraged me time and time 959 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,839 Speaker 1: again to believe in other people because you just are 960 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,600 Speaker 1: constant you're chasing the people that helped you. You're like, man, 961 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,439 Speaker 1: I'm so grateful that people bet on me, and you 962 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,799 Speaker 1: start betting other people because of this. And so when 963 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,520 Speaker 1: you mentioned your friend, I'm like, man, how great is 964 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,920 Speaker 1: that that you got to go and prove him right? Yeah? 965 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,920 Speaker 1: For all the big win you pay him back, and 966 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,440 Speaker 1: he's like, I'm gonna give you even more to you 967 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:55,080 Speaker 1: still him right now. So you go into the studio 968 00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,680 Speaker 1: and how long has taken to record the new record? 969 00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,200 Speaker 1: And how many songs you got? Songs took a out 970 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,640 Speaker 1: three weeks and then we did some overdubs and stuff 971 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:07,200 Speaker 1: after the fact, but uh, you know, and then we 972 00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:11,320 Speaker 1: get a phone call from another electra a labeled Dave's 973 00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,239 Speaker 1: imprint that he has through Warner in Atlantic and and 974 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,239 Speaker 1: they they heard it, you know, he obviously Dave sent 975 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,319 Speaker 1: it to him and and they called and said, hey, 976 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,200 Speaker 1: we we love this, and we wanna we wanna offer 977 00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,800 Speaker 1: you another deal and what's the third deal? Party like that? 978 00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,600 Speaker 1: Now this is what this is because we're in this now, 979 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:34,520 Speaker 1: you know that, you know, yeah, what is the At 980 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,000 Speaker 1: that point we can figure this out together, man, And 981 00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,520 Speaker 1: it's like all right, well let's let's just let's eat 982 00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,960 Speaker 1: and get back to work. Yeah that's pretty much. Yeah, 983 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,800 Speaker 1: it's like, great, what's the plan? You know, where everybody's 984 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,560 Speaker 1: a little sharper, everybody's a little more knowledgeable of how 985 00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:52,480 Speaker 1: you know what, how you think it works? I guess 986 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,919 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, and that was it. So now 987 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,440 Speaker 1: that's you know, that's where we are now with this 988 00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,480 Speaker 1: new record, and it's about to you know, come out 989 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:04,239 Speaker 1: here in a little it and it just just to 990 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,360 Speaker 1: you know, always to keep going, I think is what 991 00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,439 Speaker 1: you know. Always tell people to ask, you know, people 992 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,239 Speaker 1: ask you, like what's your advice or what you're thinking. 993 00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,560 Speaker 1: It's like just don't stop and like don't be afraid 994 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,200 Speaker 1: to jump and just keep kind of rocking. I mean 995 00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,399 Speaker 1: you're gonna hit. I mean for us, I mean, hell, 996 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,919 Speaker 1: they go from like where we like that's first song 997 00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,799 Speaker 1: to like dropping back down to like coming back you know, 998 00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,799 Speaker 1: it's the peaks and valleys, and there are a lot 999 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:27,960 Speaker 1: of them. There's a ton of them. It's funny you 1000 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,080 Speaker 1: bring that up. I have a whole whole deal that 1001 00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:37,080 Speaker 1: I talked about because you've had to go through no no, no, yes, no, no, no, no, no, yes. 1002 00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:38,320 Speaker 1: You know, it's a lot of nose to get to 1003 00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:42,640 Speaker 1: that one. Yes. And if you find that thing that 1004 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,200 Speaker 1: you love so much, it could be music, it could 1005 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,279 Speaker 1: be horses, it could be it's gonna be hugs. I 1006 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,960 Speaker 1: don't need. If you find that thing that you love 1007 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,200 Speaker 1: so much and someone telling you know doesn't keep you 1008 00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,840 Speaker 1: from loving it. That's what you're supposed to do. And 1009 00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,759 Speaker 1: as soon as someone telling you know it makes you go, 1010 00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,680 Speaker 1: well maybe it shouldn't be that's not your thing anymore. 1011 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,799 Speaker 1: Like you guys are being told no, not for us, 1012 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,560 Speaker 1: or yes and then no again a lot, and it 1013 00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,400 Speaker 1: sounds like you guys were never like, all right, well 1014 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:08,759 Speaker 1: maybe this isn't for us. It's not like you guys 1015 00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 1: were always like, we may have to go work at 1016 00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,440 Speaker 1: the buckle for a little bit, or do you know, 1017 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:17,040 Speaker 1: picture boots. We'll figure something out. But you know, it's 1018 00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:21,280 Speaker 1: it's that if people telling you know does not disenfranchise 1019 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,600 Speaker 1: you at all. That's what you're supposed to be doing. 1020 00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,719 Speaker 1: I agree with that, Like that is it because that 1021 00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,560 Speaker 1: someone saying not for you, we're not gonna and you're like, 1022 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,000 Speaker 1: it's good. Maybe it's not for you, but I'm going 1023 00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:33,520 Speaker 1: to keep going. That's how you know, that's what you're 1024 00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,720 Speaker 1: supposed to be doing. And that's what's so cool about 1025 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,320 Speaker 1: I'd tell you. What's cool is to me about you 1026 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,960 Speaker 1: guys is that you're still a freaking band that you 1027 00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:45,560 Speaker 1: stayed together through through some ups but a lot of downs. 1028 00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,120 Speaker 1: That's I mean, that's great. I mean, that's my favorite 1029 00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:51,879 Speaker 1: part of this whole story, frankly, is that you guys 1030 00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,920 Speaker 1: are still together because who knows what's gonna happen. You 1031 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,239 Speaker 1: may have tend number one, you may may get another 1032 00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,440 Speaker 1: deal in three years. Imagine that party. That party we're 1033 00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,080 Speaker 1: gonna do that. I a nap, Like all right, I'm 1034 00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,319 Speaker 1: gonna take a nap, celebration, nap. We'll be back. Come 1035 00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,600 Speaker 1: on here, we'll talk about the chapter here is. Here's 1036 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,800 Speaker 1: the new single drinking song from Thousand Horses. Everybody was 1037 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:17,520 Speaker 1: a drinking song to keep you going long into tree 1038 00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:23,120 Speaker 1: too strong. The glass raised every time it comes, hoverybody 1039 00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:30,799 Speaker 1: in the body, crawl, getting singing, even nib doors all wrong, 1040 00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:39,720 Speaker 1: every song my my, I mean, I guess it's my boss. 1041 00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,239 Speaker 1: I guess what kind of appears. But he's the head 1042 00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,480 Speaker 1: of country for I Heart Radios and Rod Phillips. Rod 1043 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,400 Speaker 1: came to me and he goes, hey, this is a 1044 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,319 Speaker 1: month ago, so you are that thousand Horses news and 1045 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,800 Speaker 1: we didn't. He doesn't bring up music to me, and 1046 00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,640 Speaker 1: I don't bring up music to him unless it's kind 1047 00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,240 Speaker 1: of a And we don't even talk about the big 1048 00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,359 Speaker 1: the songs that are already hits, because those are the ones, 1049 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,399 Speaker 1: you know, the al Dean's and the Luke they're gonna 1050 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,360 Speaker 1: flya off the chart anyway. Um, we don't get a 1051 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:05,480 Speaker 1: lot of time to spend together. But it's one of 1052 00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,640 Speaker 1: my dearest friends, and we worked together. And he comes 1053 00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,240 Speaker 1: up and he goes, hey, you hear that new thousand 1054 00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:10,799 Speaker 1: Mors song and drinking song. I don't even if it 1055 00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,399 Speaker 1: was out yet, and and I hadn't, and he was like, 1056 00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,400 Speaker 1: that's a good one. He never said he almost almost 1057 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,800 Speaker 1: never says that that's great, and rarely, yeah, it rarely 1058 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,160 Speaker 1: does he bring songs to my attention. So he said 1059 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,080 Speaker 1: it was like it's real good. So here we are 1060 00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,759 Speaker 1: the songs out now, Like what's happening with it? Like, 1061 00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,799 Speaker 1: what's the hasn't he been playing it? Yeah? No not Yeah, 1062 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,879 Speaker 1: we're there gearing up for that whole plan. So it's 1063 00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,319 Speaker 1: not as of right now, that's not happening yet. It's 1064 00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,200 Speaker 1: gonna happen. It's coming. Are you doing the whole You're 1065 00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:43,560 Speaker 1: going to stations and stuff, you know, I don't. I 1066 00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,480 Speaker 1: don't know what they have planned for all that they're 1067 00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,320 Speaker 1: they're doing that whole brutal I let them where you know, 1068 00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:52,960 Speaker 1: let's you know the people that do that. But I mean, well, 1069 00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,319 Speaker 1: it's it's coming very soon. I mean, you know it's 1070 00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,239 Speaker 1: out now, and then radio is right right behind it. 1071 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:04,200 Speaker 1: Your voice is pretty distinct and very raspy and strong. 1072 00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,399 Speaker 1: You have a very really strong singing voice. If you 1073 00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:11,160 Speaker 1: get sick, what the heck happens? Oh man? You just 1074 00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,279 Speaker 1: hope that doesn't happen. Have you ever had to cancel 1075 00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,960 Speaker 1: let show because you had no voice? No? Wow? Is 1076 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,799 Speaker 1: that right? No? I did one time, thought it was 1077 00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,360 Speaker 1: going to have to and then I got a shot. Yeah, 1078 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:26,160 Speaker 1: and who Yeah, does that work? Tell me about it. 1079 00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:27,279 Speaker 1: They have been a couple of times, and I'm like, 1080 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:28,759 Speaker 1: I can't go on stage and do standard. I feel 1081 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:33,560 Speaker 1: like you go and then you feel like garbage the 1082 00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,399 Speaker 1: next after that, you gotta take the next week off. Well, 1083 00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,359 Speaker 1: my thing is, I'll book two or three shows and three, 1084 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,000 Speaker 1: you know, consecutive nights, and so I'll get this shot, 1085 00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:42,360 Speaker 1: and I'll get an I V and a shot, and 1086 00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,160 Speaker 1: I get if they can put it in any hole 1087 00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:45,759 Speaker 1: in my body, I'll take it. I don't care what 1088 00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:50,160 Speaker 1: it is. Do you have anything to put in my hole? Medical? 1089 00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,080 Speaker 1: Not medical? Stick in the hole. Let's just see if 1090 00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,920 Speaker 1: it works. And so you get that shot and you're like, oh, 1091 00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:57,560 Speaker 1: and your your voice starts to come back a little 1092 00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,240 Speaker 1: bit and you're like, I'm top of the world, baby. 1093 00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,040 Speaker 1: And then you take it and you crush and then 1094 00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:02,239 Speaker 1: you feel like garbage and you're like, I don't know 1095 00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:03,480 Speaker 1: if I go on the next night. You do it again, 1096 00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,040 Speaker 1: and you do it again vicious, and then it just 1097 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,480 Speaker 1: wallops you after that, But the show much freaking go on. 1098 00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,759 Speaker 1: Gotta play, got pay, I gotta pay for the lights 1099 00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:20,360 Speaker 1: of the podcast. I gotta go do this expensive lives people. Um, so, okay, 1100 00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,879 Speaker 1: so you have not you have a whole record that's 1101 00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,319 Speaker 1: gonna come out. Do you have a date on that yet? No, 1102 00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,359 Speaker 1: not yet. So they're pretty excited about it though. Man, 1103 00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,399 Speaker 1: we're so it's been a long time since we put 1104 00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,480 Speaker 1: out a record, you know, since the first one, and 1105 00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,319 Speaker 1: uh yeah, we're just ready to get back get back 1106 00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,239 Speaker 1: at it and do what we love to do. You're 1107 00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,600 Speaker 1: one line insta bio husband to Caroline Hobby, father of 1108 00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,759 Speaker 1: Sonny Yah. Let's let's talk about the baby first. How 1109 00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:49,759 Speaker 1: much is the baby changed your life? I mean, like unbelievable, 1110 00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,319 Speaker 1: Like how much she's changed my life. It's you thought 1111 00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,520 Speaker 1: you loved something and then like we have her, and 1112 00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,920 Speaker 1: like the amount of love you feel for that child 1113 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,680 Speaker 1: is like nothing you've ever felt before, at least for me. 1114 00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,160 Speaker 1: And Caroline says the same thing. But you know, like Carolin, 1115 00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,360 Speaker 1: I love each other, we're married, that's all great, but 1116 00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,560 Speaker 1: like with her, just watching her grow and you know 1117 00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:13,439 Speaker 1: it definitely it drives you and it makes you more 1118 00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:17,719 Speaker 1: like pay attention to everything that's around you because you're 1119 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,680 Speaker 1: now you've got a human that you gotta take care 1120 00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,640 Speaker 1: of and send an example for and and try to 1121 00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:25,640 Speaker 1: raise to be a good human, you know, And I 1122 00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,680 Speaker 1: think that's the that's the thing about me is just 1123 00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,480 Speaker 1: it's it's all fun too, Like I want to have 1124 00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,040 Speaker 1: fun with it and not be so serious. But you know, 1125 00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,480 Speaker 1: keep it. I don't know every parents probably got a 1126 00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,640 Speaker 1: different story. But and when I happened a baby, it's 1127 00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,479 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do bits with it all the time. Yeah, 1128 00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,399 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do like like a puppet. Don't have a baby. 1129 00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,000 Speaker 1: It's gonna be all bits all the time. Yeah, I 1130 00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:50,839 Speaker 1: mean the puppet thing. Whatever I've spen around my uh 1131 00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,600 Speaker 1: even Caroline have been married for how long? Five years? 1132 00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,439 Speaker 1: How's that going going great? Yeah, it's better be the answer. Yeah, 1133 00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,879 Speaker 1: can you imagine? I mean it's all right. I mean, 1134 00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,360 Speaker 1: I'm glad you have me on here getting things so 1135 00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,680 Speaker 1: much as I's been married for five years. Do you 1136 00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:10,239 Speaker 1: listen to every Caroline podcast? I not every single podcast. 1137 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,200 Speaker 1: I do when I go on like walks or runs 1138 00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:13,799 Speaker 1: like I'll pop you one in like especially like a 1139 00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,560 Speaker 1: friend or something and listen to. I mean, she's got 1140 00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:20,480 Speaker 1: a very you know, female audience, extremely female. Yeah, I 1141 00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,400 Speaker 1: mean I think it's her. It's like a hundred percent 1142 00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:26,200 Speaker 1: female unless I'm listening to see what's going on in 1143 00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,880 Speaker 1: you may be you may maybe the one percent that 1144 00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:33,200 Speaker 1: ticks in from time to time. Um, but yeah, so 1145 00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,640 Speaker 1: a lot of the topics of conversation aren't really a 1146 00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,920 Speaker 1: male thing for me, I guess. But she does an 1147 00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:40,800 Speaker 1: incredible job. I mean, the people come to the house 1148 00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:42,719 Speaker 1: and I get to meet all these awesome people that 1149 00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:44,680 Speaker 1: come in and people that we've known, and she's just 1150 00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,640 Speaker 1: got a gift for that thing. Man, She's really good. Yeah. 1151 00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,520 Speaker 1: And she always says she's like, is this a stamp 1152 00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:52,920 Speaker 1: on my forehead that says tell me your problems or something. 1153 00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:54,799 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I mean that's kind of been the 1154 00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,480 Speaker 1: name of the game for a long time. And uh, 1155 00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:59,520 Speaker 1: she's just done a really great job and being a 1156 00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,839 Speaker 1: part of your you know, your thing with the Heart 1157 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,879 Speaker 1: and Bobby cast is. She loved it. It's called Get 1158 00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:07,920 Speaker 1: Real with Caroline Hobby if you want to check it out. 1159 00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,799 Speaker 1: And the thing is, I remember Caroline coming over and 1160 00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:12,440 Speaker 1: I was like, hey, because I think she thought she 1161 00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,400 Speaker 1: was really good. Thinks she's really good, really talented. She 1162 00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:18,120 Speaker 1: just hadn't been with the right person to actually show 1163 00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,000 Speaker 1: her what road to walk down and she was like, 1164 00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:21,759 Speaker 1: I never made any money off this, but I've been 1165 00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,280 Speaker 1: just grinding at it. And I was like, well, welcome 1166 00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,080 Speaker 1: to the world of you know art period. And she 1167 00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,239 Speaker 1: had done that in her band too, That's right. She 1168 00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,279 Speaker 1: was an artist before that and a radio regional done 1169 00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,680 Speaker 1: it before that. I mean, she's she's done it all 1170 00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,520 Speaker 1: and but now she's actually making a little money to 1171 00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,640 Speaker 1: a podcast, which is great because she's so good and 1172 00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,880 Speaker 1: it's just and I can just see it really turning 1173 00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,239 Speaker 1: into something really special for her. Like like, you know, 1174 00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,400 Speaker 1: you gotta pay the bills, but if you find something 1175 00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,200 Speaker 1: you love, you tend to work harder at it and 1176 00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,920 Speaker 1: pursue it with a passion. And when you do pursue 1177 00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,239 Speaker 1: something with a passion and you work hard at it, 1178 00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,960 Speaker 1: that's when you're successful. And that in you know music 1179 00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,480 Speaker 1: are I just really see big things for her and 1180 00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,200 Speaker 1: what she's doing. So I agree with me to you, man, 1181 00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,640 Speaker 1: she if she puts her mind to it and puts 1182 00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,239 Speaker 1: her head down, I mean she I can't wait to 1183 00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,120 Speaker 1: see what she turns all this into because she's such 1184 00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,440 Speaker 1: a special person in that way and and just just 1185 00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,680 Speaker 1: as great at it. Do you let her pick songs? Like, 1186 00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,480 Speaker 1: which one do you like? Play her everything? Yeah, And 1187 00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,880 Speaker 1: it's funny when like she's like, I don't like that, 1188 00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:25,040 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't know any wrong, But sometimes 1189 00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:26,960 Speaker 1: they're mostly don't me around. I think everybody plays their 1190 00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,239 Speaker 1: their wife, a significant other, um their music to see 1191 00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,480 Speaker 1: what they think. And does she ever go, let's do it, 1192 00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,359 Speaker 1: do it? Let me get on that. No, we haven't. 1193 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,640 Speaker 1: We haven't done that yet. She always laughs about that. 1194 00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,680 Speaker 1: Maybe one day. You know, she's a great singer. So yeah, 1195 00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,120 Speaker 1: that would be fun. That would be fun. Maybe like 1196 00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,359 Speaker 1: a Christmas song, that would be fun. Christmas. I want 1197 00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,000 Speaker 1: to do a Christmas song, right, because then your band 1198 00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,680 Speaker 1: want to get mad if it's like Michael and Caroline 1199 00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:54,600 Speaker 1: Hobby the Hobbies Christmas, nobody gets mad at Christmas and 1200 00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:56,960 Speaker 1: let the band play on. That's the name of what 1201 00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:58,399 Speaker 1: is it? What does that? The name of the new album? 1202 00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,960 Speaker 1: Possibly the name just doesn't come out. It is not 1203 00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:02,960 Speaker 1: out yet. No, Yeah, we're just getting a street day. 1204 00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:04,960 Speaker 1: So it's like a baby that you have named. It's 1205 00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,440 Speaker 1: not out, Yeah, it's not quite there. What's up? What's sunny? 1206 00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,400 Speaker 1: The name of the baby? Like, what's the story of that? 1207 00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,080 Speaker 1: So Sonny Uh, yeah, it was a name that we 1208 00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,240 Speaker 1: just kind of randomly came up with. Her middle names Grayson. 1209 00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:16,200 Speaker 1: So a lot of people don't know, but I had 1210 00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:17,759 Speaker 1: a brother that passed away when I was younger from 1211 00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,719 Speaker 1: cancer and his name was Grayson. So I wanted to 1212 00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,400 Speaker 1: honor him with our family and her, you know, for 1213 00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:27,040 Speaker 1: his name, because he was such an incredible, you know guy, 1214 00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:31,400 Speaker 1: and you know, his life got cut short unfortunately, but um, 1215 00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,880 Speaker 1: you know that was kind of my like honoring him, 1216 00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:36,600 Speaker 1: you know, in his life that he had, in his 1217 00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,759 Speaker 1: impact on me. I mean he was he was the 1218 00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,439 Speaker 1: one that encouraged me to do music, and he helped 1219 00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,879 Speaker 1: me buy my first guitar, and he was always there 1220 00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:47,600 Speaker 1: and uh he was very wise, you know for his 1221 00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,280 Speaker 1: his age, and you know, it's it holds a special 1222 00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,520 Speaker 1: place in my heart. And then to have her carry 1223 00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,080 Speaker 1: his name on as something that we thought would be special. 1224 00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,359 Speaker 1: It's fast forward thirteen years. She's Sunny's fourteen years alto 1225 00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,920 Speaker 1: comes up. She's dad, I want to be a country singer. 1226 00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:05,399 Speaker 1: Oh boy, I mean, if that's what she wants to do. 1227 00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,759 Speaker 1: You know, what's the first piece of advice you give 1228 00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,239 Speaker 1: your fourteen year old daughter who wants to be a 1229 00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:15,319 Speaker 1: country singer. Oh man, first piece of advice? What would 1230 00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:20,840 Speaker 1: I have told myself? Oh? I mean I definitely I 1231 00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:25,600 Speaker 1: first write your own songs for sure. You know that 1232 00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:30,280 Speaker 1: would be the what somebody told me that, Um, I 1233 00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,080 Speaker 1: don't know, stay away from stay away from guys. That's 1234 00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,760 Speaker 1: probably gonna be whatever she is. You can't say that anyway. 1235 00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,360 Speaker 1: What's Newberry, South Carolina? Like? Man, it is a little 1236 00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,320 Speaker 1: small town, just a street light town. It's about ten 1237 00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,919 Speaker 1: thousand people I think there now, but just a little town. 1238 00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:48,960 Speaker 1: Everybody knows everybody. You know. We grew up about fifteen 1239 00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,560 Speaker 1: twenty minutes outside of town on some land that my 1240 00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,440 Speaker 1: parents had, and so we were country kids, you know, 1241 00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,560 Speaker 1: and everybody knew everybody in that town. Still do still talk. 1242 00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:00,840 Speaker 1: I mean it's a small town. I mean so I'm 1243 00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,560 Speaker 1: pretty sure it's similar to your small town. Well, your 1244 00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:07,880 Speaker 1: guys are like New York City. We're populate. Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, 1245 00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:12,400 Speaker 1: so little the same prize. Yeah yeah, well I'm related. 1246 00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:16,720 Speaker 1: Everybody's difference because I don't just know everybody. Somehow our 1247 00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,040 Speaker 1: twenty three and me all match up somewhere. I did 1248 00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,480 Speaker 1: the thing. It's kind of weird. What was the conversation, Like, um, 1249 00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:24,400 Speaker 1: you did you and billgo, We're gonna move out there 1250 00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:28,320 Speaker 1: together just in Nashville. Was that? Yeah? So we, Uh, 1251 00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:30,880 Speaker 1: Bill and I met in middle school and uh there 1252 00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,280 Speaker 1: was a one local music store and we would go 1253 00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:34,520 Speaker 1: there every day after school. And he was the only 1254 00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,160 Speaker 1: kid to play guitar too, and I played guitar, so 1255 00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,120 Speaker 1: we'd play every guitar in that place, and uh, we 1256 00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:41,560 Speaker 1: just kind of formed a friendship and bond over music 1257 00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,640 Speaker 1: and uh and when we were in high school, his 1258 00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:49,200 Speaker 1: cousin Graham, who's our bass player. You know, he come 1259 00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:50,920 Speaker 1: to the town every summer and stay with us, and 1260 00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,600 Speaker 1: he played punk rock music, and you know, he had 1261 00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:55,479 Speaker 1: his nipple piers and he was like the long haired 1262 00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,680 Speaker 1: rebellious guy. So he would come to town and we 1263 00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:00,600 Speaker 1: would just listen to records and play music together. And 1264 00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:02,600 Speaker 1: we were kids. And then we got the opportunity to 1265 00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:06,040 Speaker 1: come to Nashville, um to record with a guy that 1266 00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:10,800 Speaker 1: my dad had met, and UM, we came here and 1267 00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:15,000 Speaker 1: uh stayed here for like a few weeks, I think, 1268 00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:16,720 Speaker 1: and recorded a few songs. I don't know really what 1269 00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:18,760 Speaker 1: we got done. And this wasn't a good situation. That 1270 00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,720 Speaker 1: we got into, I don't think, but and then we 1271 00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:25,240 Speaker 1: went back home and came back to do some more 1272 00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,720 Speaker 1: and then we just never left. So I was eighteen 1273 00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:29,320 Speaker 1: at the time. Bill was seventeen. He was still in 1274 00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,040 Speaker 1: high school. But our principle was really cool because we 1275 00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:35,600 Speaker 1: were in a small town and they knew that, you know, 1276 00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,080 Speaker 1: that's what we wanted to do from away young age, 1277 00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:40,480 Speaker 1: because we knew everybody, and so they just supported us, 1278 00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:42,760 Speaker 1: and our parents supported us, you know, they they were 1279 00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,600 Speaker 1: there for us. And Bill got to do high school 1280 00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,760 Speaker 1: from here over there. Yeah, it's pretty cool. It's pretty 1281 00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:53,200 Speaker 1: cool that an educator actually let education happen in a 1282 00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:56,200 Speaker 1: non traditional way. Yeah, Principal Floyd, Bill Floyd was his name. 1283 00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,400 Speaker 1: That's that's really great. Look at you guys back again, 1284 00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:01,520 Speaker 1: and you know what, no speaking of what you said, 1285 01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:05,960 Speaker 1: like prove everyone, prove those people right. When we finally 1286 01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:10,080 Speaker 1: had success, we went back to our hometown and went 1287 01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:12,240 Speaker 1: to the high school and he'd be retired at the time, 1288 01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,520 Speaker 1: but he came back and we filmed a thing and 1289 01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:16,040 Speaker 1: like did a thing and he walked around the school 1290 01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,200 Speaker 1: and we kind of told our story together. And you know, 1291 01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,200 Speaker 1: it's because of him that we were allowed to miss 1292 01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,880 Speaker 1: school days and still get high school deployma. I mean 1293 01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:25,520 Speaker 1: we had decent grades. I don't know if I had 1294 01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:28,160 Speaker 1: great grades, but uh, you know it's guys people like 1295 01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:30,440 Speaker 1: that along the way that just do a little thing 1296 01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,160 Speaker 1: that helps you in the in a big way. And 1297 01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,040 Speaker 1: that was one of those moments to that we were 1298 01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:36,880 Speaker 1: proud to be a part of. Do you have long hair? 1299 01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:38,840 Speaker 1: Didn't you for a while? Oh yeah you don't. It's 1300 01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:40,720 Speaker 1: in your hat? Or did you cut it? No, it's 1301 01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:44,640 Speaker 1: it's cut okay. So it's it's what's that conversation, like 1302 01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:46,960 Speaker 1: who says, hey, cut your hair? Or do you say it? 1303 01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:50,240 Speaker 1: Or and and also I always wonder what the barber's thinking, 1304 01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:51,560 Speaker 1: like I'm going to be the one that has to 1305 01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,640 Speaker 1: cut all this hair. Well, I talked to my the 1306 01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:57,040 Speaker 1: lady that cuts my hair, Debbie. We probably talked for 1307 01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:59,320 Speaker 1: four years about me cutting my hair before I actually 1308 01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:01,360 Speaker 1: committed to cutting my hair. And I think one day 1309 01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:02,800 Speaker 1: I came in there and I was like, you know, 1310 01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,040 Speaker 1: I think maybe I'll do it, and she's like the 1311 01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:06,640 Speaker 1: like before you know it, She's like, you know, I'm 1312 01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:08,280 Speaker 1: just sorry to hearing you talk about this. So she 1313 01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,000 Speaker 1: just went at it before that chance to go back. 1314 01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:11,880 Speaker 1: She just went at it. And I was like, thank 1315 01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,960 Speaker 1: you for just making that because I had long hair 1316 01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:17,480 Speaker 1: my forever, like that was the rebel thing to do 1317 01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:21,240 Speaker 1: in our little small town. And yeah, she just cut 1318 01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:26,440 Speaker 1: it and I've never I love it. Are are you related? 1319 01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:28,480 Speaker 1: Are you the Black Crows related? Are you related? It 1320 01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:31,960 Speaker 1: was one of them, your cousin, Christian rich Robinson And 1321 01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,040 Speaker 1: what is their relation to you? So they're my my 1322 01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:37,680 Speaker 1: dad's cousin, my second cousin, but my dad and their 1323 01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:40,040 Speaker 1: dad grew up they were similar to the same age 1324 01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:43,920 Speaker 1: in Atlanta, and you know that was a yeah, So 1325 01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:46,000 Speaker 1: they're growing up like they were a big influence on 1326 01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,040 Speaker 1: me because like my cousin, I mean they were. Did 1327 01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:52,000 Speaker 1: you ever know them? Not till uh my dad let 1328 01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,600 Speaker 1: me meet them in ninety nine nine, when I was 1329 01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:57,520 Speaker 1: like really, I mean I was, you know, I was 1330 01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:02,480 Speaker 1: like twelve, um when they came to Columbia, South Carolina 1331 01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:04,720 Speaker 1: to play and he's like, all right, I'll let you. 1332 01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,240 Speaker 1: I'll let you meet your cousins. Now you're old enough 1333 01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,400 Speaker 1: to kind of understand and like you obviously were taking 1334 01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:12,520 Speaker 1: this music thing very serious, and uh, that's who told 1335 01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:15,160 Speaker 1: me to write my own songs was Rich. I was like, hey, man, 1336 01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:17,280 Speaker 1: what's your advice for a guy like me? You know, 1337 01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,880 Speaker 1: He's like, well, write your own songs. He's like, don't 1338 01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,440 Speaker 1: learn other people's You'll have time for that, but writing 1339 01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:26,680 Speaker 1: your own songs is what makes you unique. So I 1340 01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:29,760 Speaker 1: took that obviously to heart. And uh, and then ever 1341 01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:32,520 Speaker 1: since then we've been close and even two now, and 1342 01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,520 Speaker 1: you know it, it's kind of a while to have 1343 01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:37,680 Speaker 1: a you know, that's your family, you know, I don't 1344 01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:40,800 Speaker 1: think of it and the sometimes I'm like, well damn, 1345 01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,320 Speaker 1: I mean, those guys are a badass. But yeah, that 1346 01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:45,600 Speaker 1: was a big musical influence for me growing up. The 1347 01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,640 Speaker 1: biggest really because they were family, or because of their style. 1348 01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:53,080 Speaker 1: Their style and like you know, when you're a kid, 1349 01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:55,160 Speaker 1: you're like, man, these guys were rock stars and that's 1350 01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:58,760 Speaker 1: what you know, that's what I wanted to be. And uh, 1351 01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,439 Speaker 1: and they were cool and like I was a huge 1352 01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:03,640 Speaker 1: Black Crows fan. Yeah I still am. They're coming to 1353 01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:05,400 Speaker 1: play the show in a few weeks um here in 1354 01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:06,960 Speaker 1: nashvill which is pretty cool because I'm die hard and 1355 01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:08,640 Speaker 1: they were like, what come players shows? So they gonna 1356 01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,920 Speaker 1: come to brother because they're back together, they're coming to show. Awesome, 1357 01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:15,840 Speaker 1: Yeah okay. And so because i'm red Light Management, they're 1358 01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:18,800 Speaker 1: red Light Yeah yeah, Mark Yeah. And so they know 1359 01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:20,840 Speaker 1: I'm a fan, and I was like, dude, I'm on 1360 01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:24,439 Speaker 1: like hundred fifty cities like that. And so they're gonna 1361 01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:25,960 Speaker 1: come play the show. So I'm super pumped about it. 1362 01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:30,040 Speaker 1: But I've also sure, whatever you want. I'm a family affair. 1363 01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:32,919 Speaker 1: But it's it's interesting to hear and know their story 1364 01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:34,360 Speaker 1: because as big a fan as I am with them, 1365 01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:36,680 Speaker 1: I also followed their story. And I've listened to the 1366 01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,280 Speaker 1: interviews on Howard Stern and they did not like they 1367 01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:42,560 Speaker 1: there was a big old right between those two brothers. Yeah, 1368 01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:44,680 Speaker 1: they had some turmoil for sure. Did you talk to 1369 01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:46,520 Speaker 1: both of them while they were split or any either 1370 01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:47,560 Speaker 1: one of them or did you have one year were 1371 01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:50,919 Speaker 1: closer to I did? I mean I talked to Rich Moore, 1372 01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:53,840 Speaker 1: you know, and his wife and my wife are friends, 1373 01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,160 Speaker 1: and he's got kids and now that we have a kid, 1374 01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:58,920 Speaker 1: but and there they were more in town than Chris was. 1375 01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:00,920 Speaker 1: But I see Chris when he came to town and 1376 01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:02,280 Speaker 1: we go to the show, and you know, he was 1377 01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,880 Speaker 1: always great, But yeah, there was a time they don't 1378 01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:06,680 Speaker 1: even talk. They say this, this is not your saying. 1379 01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:09,920 Speaker 1: I listened to many interviews they didn't talk like years. 1380 01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,160 Speaker 1: I mean, imagine not talking to your sibling for sick 1381 01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:14,240 Speaker 1: and I always it say like, man, just it's your brother, 1382 01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:18,480 Speaker 1: like call but for whatever reason, you know. And then 1383 01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:21,640 Speaker 1: I guess they finally did their back. I love they're 1384 01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:24,080 Speaker 1: back because and they're playing they're playing the whole record 1385 01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:27,920 Speaker 1: from back Yeah, which that to me is one of 1386 01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:31,560 Speaker 1: the albums that, as I look back at what I 1387 01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:34,160 Speaker 1: really listened to as a kid, that was one of 1388 01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:37,280 Speaker 1: the records that was most influential to me growing up 1389 01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,800 Speaker 1: in Arkansas being a grunge kid. It was kind of 1390 01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:43,120 Speaker 1: this weird hybrid. It wasn't eighties metal, it wasn't like 1391 01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:46,160 Speaker 1: sound Garden, and it wasn't quite grunge, but there was 1392 01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:49,080 Speaker 1: a little bit of everything. And it wasn't quite country. 1393 01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:53,280 Speaker 1: But if you put you know, she Talks to Angels 1394 01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:57,040 Speaker 1: out now, you definitely could put it on country radio. Absolutely, 1395 01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:00,400 Speaker 1: they've said that before, So it's this. It was a 1396 01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,760 Speaker 1: big part of because again they were like southern rock 1397 01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:06,240 Speaker 1: is they don't like to be called that. Other things, right, 1398 01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,760 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Yeah, what do you call it? 1399 01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,640 Speaker 1: Rock and roll band? But it was interesting though because 1400 01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:14,520 Speaker 1: when they came out that they were this sound and 1401 01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:17,280 Speaker 1: nobody else was. And I tell a lot of new 1402 01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:21,800 Speaker 1: artists that are different, for example, like a Cassie Ashton. 1403 01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:23,880 Speaker 1: I don't know if you know Cassie at all. It's 1404 01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:27,520 Speaker 1: she's so different, but yeah, but all of it. But 1405 01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,360 Speaker 1: she's so different, and at times it can be a 1406 01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,480 Speaker 1: struggle to be very different. But if you're different and 1407 01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:35,720 Speaker 1: you pop, you now have created them. You're now and 1408 01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:37,280 Speaker 1: everyone wants to get in your road. Every wants to 1409 01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,200 Speaker 1: get on the road that you've now created. I think 1410 01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:42,200 Speaker 1: you you saw that with guys like Sam Hunt, who 1411 01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:44,600 Speaker 1: comes in and you know, half the public was like, 1412 01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:46,360 Speaker 1: what is this garbage? But the other half was like, 1413 01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:48,760 Speaker 1: this is the greatest thing ever. But then success happens 1414 01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,800 Speaker 1: and then everybody's using snap tracks, everyone's using all of 1415 01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:56,360 Speaker 1: this thing. Everyone's like talking in their songs, yeah just so, 1416 01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:59,240 Speaker 1: and everyone is going, well, I don't know if that's 1417 01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:01,840 Speaker 1: gonna but once itau and Sam created his own lane, 1418 01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,200 Speaker 1: you see that with I would even say you guys 1419 01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:05,640 Speaker 1: did it for a bit where people were starting to 1420 01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:07,800 Speaker 1: hop in and be this kind of southern rock thing 1421 01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:10,720 Speaker 1: and so we're still here with Yeah, and with the 1422 01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:12,480 Speaker 1: Black Crows, that was that was what happened. They were 1423 01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:14,440 Speaker 1: the first of the sound and other people trying to 1424 01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:17,800 Speaker 1: emulate them, and it's the emulation is never quite the same. 1425 01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:20,040 Speaker 1: But I was just a massive fan. I'm so pumped 1426 01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:21,919 Speaker 1: there coming in, man, that I didn't even think about 1427 01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,080 Speaker 1: you guys being related till I was. I was like, 1428 01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:25,600 Speaker 1: I knew you related. It's not even my note. I 1429 01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:27,000 Speaker 1: knew related at somebody and I was like, Oh, they're 1430 01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,800 Speaker 1: coming on the show. Yeah, I'm I haven't announced that 1431 01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:31,880 Speaker 1: on yet on the radio show, but um, that's a 1432 01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:34,680 Speaker 1: cool one for me. That's my favorite artist to bring 1433 01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:38,120 Speaker 1: in or those from when I was a kid. Nobody 1434 01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:39,800 Speaker 1: is really famous and cool to me unless they were 1435 01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:41,600 Speaker 1: famously cool when I was a kid. That's like the 1436 01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:43,720 Speaker 1: time to be famous. Well, it's like, also, I don't care. 1437 01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:45,640 Speaker 1: It's like your favorite football team. It's like and I'm 1438 01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,040 Speaker 1: so jaded because I see what this fame crap is. 1439 01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:52,640 Speaker 1: There's nothing, it's nothing. Who cares? And like and I've 1440 01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:54,760 Speaker 1: just had like a little tiny morsel of it like 1441 01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:58,680 Speaker 1: just and it's like you're killing grills, man. But again, 1442 01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:02,360 Speaker 1: even at the tiniest more in it, it's like everybody's 1443 01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:05,200 Speaker 1: just putting the drawers on the same way. As my 1444 01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:07,439 Speaker 1: dad always said, everybody wakes up and puts their pants 1445 01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:09,120 Speaker 1: on the same way. To either and the person you 1446 01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:13,720 Speaker 1: think has that most together, Often it's the opposite. Often 1447 01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,600 Speaker 1: it's the opposite unless you were famous. When I was 1448 01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:18,880 Speaker 1: a kid, then you were awesome. Who's like your number one? 1449 01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:21,680 Speaker 1: Like the guy, like the person whoever you want to 1450 01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:23,640 Speaker 1: get on the show that you haven't done yet? Well, 1451 01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:27,560 Speaker 1: I mean I think I've got them. But for me 1452 01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:32,919 Speaker 1: it was like, obviously Garth was a big deal to me, Um, 1453 01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,280 Speaker 1: who do you? Was a huge part of my childhood. 1454 01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:37,040 Speaker 1: It was the biggest foot in the Blowfish fans and 1455 01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:40,840 Speaker 1: Darius and are buds and like close and so to 1456 01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:43,760 Speaker 1: get Darius and then do the hoodie stuff was cool. 1457 01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:46,560 Speaker 1: But even aside from the show. Once this is one 1458 01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:48,360 Speaker 1: of my cooler stories that most people don't find it 1459 01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:49,920 Speaker 1: fun at all. But I'm a massive sports fan and 1460 01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:52,160 Speaker 1: I was getting on a Southwest Caroland's flight and I 1461 01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:53,440 Speaker 1: was the last one on the flat right before they 1462 01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:55,200 Speaker 1: shut the doors, and they're like, I gotta get in, 1463 01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:56,720 Speaker 1: I gotta get it. So I go on and they 1464 01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,200 Speaker 1: shut the doors and one there's like just one seat left, 1465 01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:00,920 Speaker 1: and it's a middle seat, obviously, and I'm walking back 1466 01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:02,360 Speaker 1: and trying to find that seat, trying to find that seat, 1467 01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:04,400 Speaker 1: and in between there was one middle seat and there 1468 01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:06,040 Speaker 1: are two old men sitting on both sides of the 1469 01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:08,240 Speaker 1: middle seat. And one of the men was Eddie Sutton 1470 01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:11,320 Speaker 1: who coached Arkansas Oklahoma State. It was a massive college 1471 01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:13,200 Speaker 1: basketball coach. And the other one Barry Switzer, who is 1472 01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:17,640 Speaker 1: Arkansas played Arkansas one national champions Oklahoma Dallas Cowboys. And 1473 01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:19,040 Speaker 1: the seat was opened in the middle of them and 1474 01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:20,400 Speaker 1: they were famous to me as a kid, and I 1475 01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:23,240 Speaker 1: sat between them and I was like, oh my god, 1476 01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:25,840 Speaker 1: why didn't no one else sit here? And Barry Switzer 1477 01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,840 Speaker 1: was the nicest guy. He was. He we talked the 1478 01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:30,760 Speaker 1: whole time, and I was trying to be very I 1479 01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:33,760 Speaker 1: was cognizant. I'm not talking too much because sometimes now 1480 01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:35,760 Speaker 1: I'll get on Southwest and someone will go, oh, I'm 1481 01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:37,760 Speaker 1: gonna about Bobby, and then they won't stop talking. They 1482 01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:40,040 Speaker 1: will not and I love it. I don't get me wrong. 1483 01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:42,040 Speaker 1: I love it, but I want airplane. I get motion sick, 1484 01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:44,400 Speaker 1: and I get tired. I'm tired. I'm just trying to 1485 01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:46,639 Speaker 1: sit by the window because I want to take a nap. Yeah, 1486 01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:48,599 Speaker 1: and I put the headphones on, like no, no, no, 1487 01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:51,080 Speaker 1: I didn't want to be that and he but we 1488 01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:54,639 Speaker 1: talked the whole time. So for me, that was cool, 1489 01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:59,240 Speaker 1: like the childhood you know, fame. It's still cool. Otherwise 1490 01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:01,280 Speaker 1: who cares? Yeah, like I just wrote for my friends 1491 01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:02,680 Speaker 1: that are that are good to do good things and 1492 01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:08,040 Speaker 1: move on. It's always a few though, like that our garbage. Yeah, 1493 01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:11,519 Speaker 1: well listen, um, whenever you hear this is gonna go 1494 01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:14,040 Speaker 1: up soon. So right now, drinking song is out. But 1495 01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:15,639 Speaker 1: if you're listening to this far away now, the record 1496 01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:17,360 Speaker 1: may already be out. If you listen to this way 1497 01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:20,120 Speaker 1: later on and the record it's fine. Don't tell me 1498 01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:21,720 Speaker 1: the name of it. Don't tell me the name of it, 1499 01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:24,960 Speaker 1: because I need to remember this too. It is called 1500 01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:28,880 Speaker 1: let the band play on. Why that because you guys 1501 01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:31,920 Speaker 1: are like back and freaking let us play. Yeah, it's 1502 01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:33,599 Speaker 1: kind of the same. But at the end of this song, 1503 01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:36,479 Speaker 1: I ad libbed that, like randomly doing ad libs at 1504 01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:37,680 Speaker 1: the end of the song, and I said, let the 1505 01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:40,679 Speaker 1: band play on, Baby, and then I think grahamar bass player. 1506 01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:42,000 Speaker 1: We're trying to figure on the name for their title, 1507 01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,000 Speaker 1: and he's like, man, you said this in this song. 1508 01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:45,280 Speaker 1: He's like, why don't you just why don't we just 1509 01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:46,840 Speaker 1: call it? Let the band play on. That's what we are. 1510 01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,840 Speaker 1: We've always forged ahead, and we've always just played. And 1511 01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:51,719 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, we're just a band, 1512 01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:54,400 Speaker 1: and we're four dudes. They love to play music together 1513 01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:57,799 Speaker 1: and that's what we do. So that was the whole 1514 01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:00,200 Speaker 1: sentiment to the whole album, and that's what we did. 1515 01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:04,200 Speaker 1: We just went in and played one final note. Zack 1516 01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:06,240 Speaker 1: in your Band, which, by the way, he has an 1517 01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:10,759 Speaker 1: interesting name, yeah, which is the same Zack Zack Brown, 1518 01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:13,600 Speaker 1: which is is that weird? He's got the h But 1519 01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:17,240 Speaker 1: I mean, people did they ever confuse just so he's 1520 01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:21,240 Speaker 1: he's actually um he calls himself the real Zach Brown, 1521 01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:24,120 Speaker 1: but he uh. He was in Vegas one time that 1522 01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:26,200 Speaker 1: had staying at a hotel doing a photo booth event 1523 01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:30,880 Speaker 1: and out there with his wife and he was like, uh, 1524 01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:35,360 Speaker 1: checking in and the lady was like, oh, Zack Brown 1525 01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:37,439 Speaker 1: and she goes, sir, you know that we we have 1526 01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:40,960 Speaker 1: private you know, interest is for people like you. You 1527 01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:42,000 Speaker 1: know that you can come in and like don't we 1528 01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:43,880 Speaker 1: we're gonna take care of your room and we're gonna 1529 01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:45,760 Speaker 1: you know, room service will take care of all that, like, 1530 01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:47,760 Speaker 1: but thanks for staying at our hotel. And he's like, 1531 01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:50,479 Speaker 1: they're like, you're a musician, musician, right, and he goes, well, yeah, 1532 01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:53,320 Speaker 1: I am a musician and she's like okay, great, great, great, 1533 01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:55,840 Speaker 1: And you know he didn't lie, and then like they 1534 01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:57,600 Speaker 1: just kind of like took care of a lot of 1535 01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:59,320 Speaker 1: stuff for him, and he was like, man, this whole 1536 01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:01,920 Speaker 1: is Zach Brown. So he never had to pay. They 1537 01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:03,720 Speaker 1: just I think he did a little bit, but like 1538 01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:05,559 Speaker 1: they treated him, but any of it, if he gets 1539 01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,080 Speaker 1: any of it, because that's what he looks, nothing, nothing, nothing. 1540 01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:10,880 Speaker 1: My point was zac as we were playing a softball game, 1541 01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:14,040 Speaker 1: he slid hard in a second and like towards what 1542 01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:17,800 Speaker 1: did he is? That? What it was? He slid hard 1543 01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:19,080 Speaker 1: and then he limped off and I was like, I 1544 01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:21,000 Speaker 1: was wearing a boot on stage for a while. That 1545 01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:23,439 Speaker 1: stuck and he was giving it all he had. At 1546 01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:26,160 Speaker 1: a charity game, the only person I've seen go harder 1547 01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:28,600 Speaker 1: than Zach with Lauren Lane, who I saw it actually 1548 01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:30,960 Speaker 1: face first dive into home plate on a play that 1549 01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:34,880 Speaker 1: didn't matter and I will never forget it. And she 1550 01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:36,200 Speaker 1: went as harder because she and you can tell you 1551 01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:38,439 Speaker 1: play ball as a kid. She went face first harden 1552 01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:41,200 Speaker 1: too home and it was like eleven to one, and 1553 01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:42,840 Speaker 1: I was like, Lauren, there was no need for that. 1554 01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:46,120 Speaker 1: He could have just walked. Yeah, you could. So we'll listen. Congratulations, 1555 01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:48,720 Speaker 1: I'm glad, You're glad you're able to come over, and 1556 01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,479 Speaker 1: thanks for having me. I was very excited about this. 1557 01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:54,439 Speaker 1: Carolina said, hello, absolutely, there we go. Um, so there, 1558 01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:56,760 Speaker 1: we can check it out. Drinking song that is episode 1559 01:11:56,840 --> 01:12:00,719 Speaker 1: to three. You can follow Michael on Instagram at icle Hobby, 1560 01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:05,480 Speaker 1: or you can follow a Thousand Forces both the the 1561 01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,439 Speaker 1: the solo and the band. All right, that's it, We'll 1562 01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:13,320 Speaker 1: see you next time. Everybody. M hm hm hm