WEBVTT - Kanye West interview with Charlamagne 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:16.120 Yeah, it's good. How are you, my brother, I'm good, Yes, sir. 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:18.640 They've seen a lot of pictures of you lately out 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:21.160 and about, you know, so that to the first question 0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:24.840 is how are you. I'm feeling good because the last 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:27.360 time I think people have heard about you in the 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:31.400 news was Kanye West was having a mental breakdown. So mentally, 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:35.080 where are you? I think I'm in a stronger place 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:39.920 than iver than I ever was after the breakdown, or 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:42.440 I like to say the breakthrough. What do you? What 0:00:42.479 --> 0:00:49.600 do you? What do you think caused the mental breakdown? Fear, stress, control, 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:54.880 being controlled, manipulation, like being a pawn and a chess 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:59.880 piece of life, stressing things that that create, like valid 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:04.080 dation that I didn't need to uh worry about as 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:08.440 much and you know that. Just this is the concept 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:14.080 of competition and being in competition with so many you know, 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:18.560 elements at one time on a race against time, your age, 0:01:18.880 --> 0:01:23.560 Oh yo, you're getting old. Race against popularity on the radio. 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:26.640 Klik got this song, Drake got this song on race 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:30.080 playing the death Saint Polo ain't playing. I could do that, man, 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:33.800 take the whole I could take the whole interview talking 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:37.360 about Yeah, it's interesting because you never you've been the 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:40.520 guy that has always created the flow, not gone with 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:43.559 the flow. So it seems like you were a little 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:47.640 upset that you weren't a part of the flow. It 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:50.320 was weird. I was looking at you know, we're doing 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:56.840 SAT poplo and the cultural impact is incredible, but I'm 0:01:56.880 --> 0:02:01.000 looking for other forms of validation when it's other frequencies 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:04.600 and other currencies. So just because it's not playing on 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:06.680 the radio. Of course, we had you know, father stretches 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:09.560 in the club and on the radio a bit like 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:15.920 it went to number one, but you know, to put 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:18.760 that same amount, if not more work into a piece 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:21.679 of work, and then you used to it coming out 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:26.720 like graduation where everything is everywhere. You know, it's frustrating, 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:30.480 and really ever since the Taylor Swift moment, it just 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:34.160 had never had never been the same, the connection with radio. 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:40.000 It's like whatever powers that be, it was much harder 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:44.520 after that. And then also you know La leaving Universal, 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:50.680 like you know, he had that radio locked. So if 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:53.000 you're an artist and you signed to a major label, 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:55.560 you want to be on the radio, espasically, if you 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:58.880 if you popular, if you popping, you know, if you 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:01.880 want the most famous people and planning and people love 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:04.000 your music and all the best artists in the world 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:06.760 are coming to your concert and all friends is like, 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:11.079 you know, snapchat themselves at the shows and you're selling 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:13.560 merch out like that. It seems like, okay, radio should 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:16.160 just be intacted. It might be just a piece of 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:19.280 information that I was missing that wasn't being expressed to 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:21.679 me that I didn't understand because at the end of 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:24.560 the day, someone's controlling it and I didn't. I didn't 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:29.040 understand it. But the radio con the radio element was 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:34.480 just one of the factors. There's like, uh, you know, 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:39.000 the situation with my wife in Paris, and all of 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:44.080 the elements of like you feeling like, you know, helpless, 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:46.760 you feeling like what can you do? A thousand you know, 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:52.960 I had like went to Paris on that trip to 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:59.360 protect her, but not protect her, you know, physically, but 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:02.200 to go and just help her with her looks because 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:04.640 she's in Paris. So I'm like, let me put my 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:07.720 eye on it personally while she's out in Paris, to 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:10.080 make sure she busts these nigga's ass blah blah. You know, 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:15.120 just so so like get fly and one of the 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:19.279 things that she said that she heard is that they 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:21.880 were coming to robber and they had to wait till 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:24.680 I had I had left and when I finally and 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:28.080 that the people have been strategizing and scheming on that 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:31.440 for a long time. So when she probably got to 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:35.920 Paris by herself, they were like, okay, this is our chance. Next, 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:37.560 you know, I get off on the flight the next 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:41.719 day and they were like, oh okay, we got to 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:45.320 like fall back. And then, you know, when I left. 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:47.120 A couple of days later, I'm on stage and I 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:52.880 hear that my boys. KaiA comes up to me and says, 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:56.719 you know, your wife was robbed, and I at that 0:04:56.720 --> 0:04:59.880 point I didn't know the whole element of the host 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:03.360 story of what was happening previous to that. You know, 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:06.440 just one week before that or two weeks before that, 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:11.200 I had done a fashion show and I was forty 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:16.039 five minutes late and they Lebron to me bro like 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:18.680 men when Lebron went to like when Lebron went to 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:22.960 Miami and they just killed him and like burned his 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:27.200 like jersey and all that. It's like I just down 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:31.120 the MSG young thug on stage, you know, and then 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:34.119 go and plug in an iPhone with sixteen thousand people, 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:37.400 everybody in the audience, whoever you want to name and shit, 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:41.000 you know, stream and live all this like a breakthrough. 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:44.240 And as soon as I was forty five minutes late, 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:50.600 I felt it was the fashion community getting the right 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:54.640 to say nigger without saying it, to be like, Yo, 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:58.520 we know you come through stepping on next and all 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:00.440 that and what you do in your approach of things 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:02.560 and stuff, but if you get out of line, boy, 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:07.080 we're gonna roast you. And it affected me because I'm 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:11.320 an artist, and it affected me emote like, emotionally. It's 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:14.279 like all these things were like almost set up to 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:18.320 put me on mats, to break me down. The robbery, 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:20.159 like I don't you know, I don't know where that 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:24.159 you know, where that came from? The you know, was 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:28.080 that a bigger plan, a bigger setup? You know. Also, 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:31.760 just be on stage four times a night, I mean 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:36.719 four times a week, you know, you get exhausted up there. 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:42.240 So he was mentally exhausted, emotionally exhausted, physically exhausted everything. Yeah, yeah, 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:44.200 did you go to therapy at all? Because I feel 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:47.839 like this is a lot to unpack, and I'm sure 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:49.599 you're to go to guy for a lot of people, 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:51.159 so it's like, who did the go to guy go to? 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:53.000 So I'm sure you had to go to some therapist. Nah. 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:55.920 I used the world as my therapy, as my therapist, 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:58.840 anyone I talked to is my therapist. I would pull 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:01.440 them into the conversation when I'm feeling at that point 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:03.760 and get their perspective. Sometimes they'd be like, damn, I'm 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:05.920 talking to Yay, I'm not expecting to talk about this. 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:09.680 I'll use you know, I'll talk through things anybody that 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:11.679 I'm around. And I put that as advice to people. 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:14.920 It's like, use people around you as your therapists because 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:17.240 they probably know more about you, like a therapists, like 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:20.160 does a crash course in NA And then it comes 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:22.600 it's like want to give you, you know, some advice. 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:26.120 And I'm not saying that the therapists are bad. I'm 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:32.440 just saying that I like just talking to acquaintance, friends, family, 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:35.160 and you know, I'll keep them on the phone, you know, 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:37.720 for forty five minutes at a time talking through things. 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:42.200 It's like it's kind of narcissistic, you know, uh, talk 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:45.080 about my problems using the energy even like just then 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:48.320 being a sounding board and talking through it so well 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:50.280 when when when it comes to you know, I guess 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:52.560 mental healthhold to speak. You seem to be in a 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:54.880 good space mentally, so how did how did you get there? 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:58.120 You just talk through it with people or wasn't music 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:02.240 we set earning the Twitter now? Just getting these thoughts 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:06.320 out therapeutic for you. Yeah, but I'm not even the 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:08.360 thoughts that I'm getting down on Twitter right now and 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:11.680 that you know, I think everything is therapeutic, but I'm 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:14.720 not doing it as a you know, a form of 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:19.320 personal therapy. It's just an innate feeling. I just I 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:24.600 want to express. I decided to use this platform to 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:29.320 express some breakthroughs that I've had since going to the hospital. 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:32.320 What are some of those breakthroughs? You know, you said 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:35.280 something about the fashion world and how you felt like 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:37.360 when you was forty five minutes late, they tried to 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:39.439 cut your head off. It's kind of the same thing 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:41.960 with Taylor Swift when you got on stage and you know, 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:46.680 interrupted her acceptance. It's like, do you feel like whenever 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:51.480 you're in spaces where you're tolerated as opposed to celebrate it, 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:54.319 they let they remind you of that. Oh yeah, you 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:58.959 get reminded all the time, but the reminders don't mean 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:04.320 nothing to me anymore because I've broken it. You know, 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:10.160 this is this is an erma's level existence at this point. 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:13.000 You know, like you look at a birkin bag, the 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:15.480 way it's made, the more scratches on it, the more 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:19.480 the more value it has. You know. So all those things, 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:25.640 those pieces of the story have created who I am today. 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:28.679 And I wouldn't turn down anything like I always I 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:31.400 would be thinking about you as I was recovering, and 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:34.640 I always thought I'm gonna go and talk to Charlotmagne first, 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:38.240 And I just wanted to say, like there was elements 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:41.079 about going to the hospital and having a breakdown or 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:46.280 breakthrough that was fire. It was incredible, the feeling, it 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:50.800 was incredible, you know. Well, on the song St. Pablo, 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:53.960 I said, I'm praying an outer body experience what happens, 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:55.880 so people could see my light and know it's not 0:09:56.000 --> 0:10:01.439 just rapping. You have the context of rap um. Here 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:03.840 here go one related I want to talk about rap picko. 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:05.680 One related to what I was saying about the fashion show. 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:11.160 So if my name pops up in a publication, uh, 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:16.480 and you know today I don't want to use white 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:19.000 black black man show all too much of that. I 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:22.200 want to modernize, but I want to speak about the 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:25.559 concept of racism is something that is something we're in, 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:27.839 is something of the past, it's something we'll break in 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:31.240 the future. So i'd say this. You know, if it's 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:36.280 a white publication, if they use the word rapper, they're 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:42.000 not saying that in a complimentary way. They're trying to 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:48.840 say that to not classified in a Howard Hughes picassos. 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:54.320 You know, I just way, yeah, artists or just person 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:57.680 or something, just who I am, whatever, say say my 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:00.880 name and whatever, Just say my first name, say half 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:03.760 of my first name, just say yeah, whatever and whatever 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:07.720 someone takes from that, then cool, and then say what happened. 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:09.839 Let's just leave it there, don't put no extra sauce 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:13.040 on it. So when they put the rapper and then 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:17.280 they'll say something, I'll say that's like absolutely inspired. But 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:20.200 if they put it in the something inspired in the 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:25.040 wrong context will come off as I don't want to 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:27.680 say crazy because I also want to change the stigma 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:30.040 or crazy, and I want to change the stigma of 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:33.880 mental health period And I have not done no extra 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:36.800 study on it. We at the beginning of it, at 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:39.840 the beginning of the conversation. But let's believe I'm gonna 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:45.160 take the stigma off the word crazy. But let's just 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:48.280 say for now, people will take something that's enlightened, put 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:50.640 it in a different contexts, and then call it crazy 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:55.120 to try to diminish the impact and the value of 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:58.880 what I'm actually saying. Yeah, I mean, that's that's why 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:00.800 I say I go to therapy every Friday at three 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:02.920 o'clock because you know, sometimes you feel like rad Finki 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:06.679 and the Lion King. Remember r Finki knew exactly what 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:09.000 Simbol came from. You knew exactly who Simbol was and 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:10.920 what Simbol was about what everybody would say, Yo, ro 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.040 Fiki is crazy. Stayed away from him, and when nay 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:15.440 ro Finki took that staff and hit Simbol over here 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:17.520 and say, no, you're crazy because you don't even know 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:19.040 who you are. Looking this is lake and let me 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:21.000 show you where you come from. I think you might 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:25.240 have forgotten that your Kanye was because so many people 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:27.400 was trying to read, trying to make you believe that 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:30.400 you were lesser than who you truly are. Oh yeah, 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:33.080 if you hang around people who act like you aren't 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:35.760 who you are, then you'll forget who you are. And 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:38.360 I got a doper way. I've written it down and 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:42.880 that was a way. Yeah, tweet, you know we should 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:47.600 just tweet. Just tweet that right now? Speaking of Twitter, Yeah, 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:50.600 you know, how does that feel coming back to Twitter? 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:52.240 Because I would think I was coming back to Twitter 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:54.760 because I would think that the hardest thing for Kanye 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:57.800 was is to be quiet. Yeah, he was quiet for 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:01.600 like a year. I didn't have a lot to say. 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:08.960 I had a lot to learn. And you know, right 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:13.360 now you'll document where I'm at. This is I felt 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:17.120 the need to speak at this point. You know, when 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:18.880 you when you look up at five years from now 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:26.840 or ten years from now, there'll be I'll be even 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:30.120 more I'll have more experience, I'll be in a I'll 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:32.320 be in a better place than I was today. But 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:34.040 it's good for you to see, Yea. You know, there'll 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:37.000 be mistakes, there'll be flaws and the way I communicate 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:40.320 today because where human beings are flawed. I'm not media trained, 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:42.760 I'm not studied in that. I'm not trying to save 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:46.600 the right thing. I'm just saying exactly what I feel 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:52.280 out of out of love. When was the last time 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:55.000 Kanye westfold like he had something to learn? Because that's 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:56.760 interesting here, you say, because you know, Kanye is the 0:13:56.760 --> 0:14:00.200 guy who seems to know everything, like to know what's 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:02.640 going on as far as music fashion, Like, when's the 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:04.880 last time Kanye felt like he has something to learn? 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:12.520 Every day? Every day I'm trying to learn something, and 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:17.120 every day I get you know, I get afraid. I'm 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:21.800 I'm fearful of things and I just use bravery to overcome. 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:25.320 But I'm fearful of I mean the quote, it's the 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:28.120 quote people always say, the wise man knows he knows nothing. Yeah, 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:32.360 I'm learning and now I'm expressing some things that I 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:36.960 felt And if they mean something to you at this time, 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:40.040 then great. If not, then you know, don't don't use them. 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:46.520 So you know a lot of um you know, I 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:53.560 think me and um Jay's issue, my my issue. It 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:59.720 just came down to information. I'm super hungry for information. 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:05.160 I'm I need information more than I need validation, more 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:09.320 than I need finance. I need like if I learned 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:13.080 how to fish, then I can feed my family forever. 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:17.480 So I'm just constantly looking for the information. Information. How 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:19.480 do I set up a factory? So you feel like 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:21.320 Jay was tossing you money as opposed to give you 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:23.360 the information. You know, the infamous line on four four 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:26.480 four is, you know, I gave Kanye twenty meal without 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:29.160 thinking he gave me twenty minutes on stage. You know 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:30.920 what was he thinking? Oh? I think it was twenty 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:33.080 meal without banking. Whatever it was, he gave me twenty 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:38.040 million dollars. That concept that you gave me, that he 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:41.280 gave me the money, that's what frustrated me, because actually 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:46.840 the money was he got it from my nation. He 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:50.200 rack Nations managed me at the time. That's something normal 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:52.800 that someone gives someone a touring deal. It was a 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:55.880 touring deal. But the fact that it was worded that 0:15:55.920 --> 0:16:00.520 it came from him. I'm a very loyal, emotional like 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:05.960 artist person. You know, that made me feel like I 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:09.080 owed more than just the money itself. For the fact 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:13.000 that it came from him, you know, it just put 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:18.040 me under a bit more of a kind of controlled situation. 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:20.800 It's like, and I don't I'm only acting out of love. 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:24.320 I don't need to be controlled. I just need to 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:28.000 be inspired and informed and I can be the best 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:31.880 Ya in that way. But if I have to, I 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:34.400 gave you this on it and I don't have the 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:37.000 full information of how it happened. Now that said, I 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:41.760 think there was some love in that because on Jay's part, 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:46.560 because he did have to co sign for it when 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:50.320 the Live Nations and these different companies wouldn't co sign 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:53.360 for me and I was in debt. Jay did have 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:56.800 to go up and say I'm a co sign for ya. 0:16:56.880 --> 0:16:58.960 So the thing is, it's it's one of those ones 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:01.680 that have you ever done something where you did something 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:04.679 for someone that's positive, but it was something about the 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:06.679 way you did it that kind of like blew the 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:09.560 whole thing up. So Jay did something that was positive, 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:12.920 but the fact that I didn't receive the information in 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:19.040 the right way, I you know, because I always feel like, man, 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:22.879 I'm not hearing Hollywood, I'm not here, like my mom's past, 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:26.639 I don't know who I can trust. I don't trust nobody, 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:30.120 And Jay was a big brother, big brother. I feel 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:32.720 like both of y'all might have reacted emotionally though, meaning 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:34.960 that like you reacted emotionally when you was on stage 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:38.040 and you ranted and then he replied in a record, 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:40.879 you know, that's not really his his character to do 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:42.919 something like that, to put out like this is what 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:46.919 I did for such and such. I mean, yeah, but 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:49.840 he he did it in a brotherly way. You know, 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:51.840 he could have went all. He could have released an 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:54.040 entire record or something like that. It's just a bar. 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:58.200 You could have could have went crazy, got every single 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:00.960 piece of information and possible my life and stuff. No, 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:09.320 the finances are you know so um, even like when 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:14.280 I tweeted I was in debt, that gave me power 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:17.160 that I took my power back because it's like someone 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:19.080 trying to say, like, yo, if you say this, you're 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:21.640 not gonna be cool no more. And it's like, man, 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:25.920 my financial situation don't make me Yeah, I'm in debt 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:29.439 now what and I'm still Yeah, you did the eminem 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:32.240 and a mile when you say it about myself before 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:33.840 somebody else can use it against me. Yeah, that's what 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:35.399 I call living your truth. To living your truth, so 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:37.199 you know, when you lived the truth, nobody can use 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:39.760 your truth against you. Yeah. You know. Um, when you 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:44.120 and Jay that now we're good. You know, we're tweeting. 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:47.119 I mean we're texting each other. It's positive energy. Have 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:50.879 y'all seen each other. I haven't seen him, but I 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:56.960 could feel him. Or you know what keeps what keeps 0:18:56.960 --> 0:18:59.240 you brothers like y'all from just you know, come to 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:01.720 the house, man, let's have a meal, Let's let's let's 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:03.320 sit down and talk face to face out of the eye. 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:05.320 Because every time I, you know, see him doing an interview, 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:07.119 whether they would let him in, whoever he's saying, that's 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:09.440 that's my brother, like I love him. Like, so what 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:15.399 stops you off from just face to face communication. We'll 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:19.680 do it sometimes. Also, like when you have like such 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:23.920 similar personalities and people are you know, creating their own 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:26.960 existence in their own world and their own simulation or whatever. 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:31.000 You know, they need to do it on their own. 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:35.280 You know, when we were doing Watch the Throne, I 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:39.600 was there, you know, in service to Jay, in service 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:43.680 to myself too, you know, but I was there where 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:48.840 any idea that Givanchi artwork on Watch the Throne, Like 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:50.960 the first time you ever saw the Givanchi dog was 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:54.439 on ham was on a ham cover or that you know, 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:58.920 the oldest be the producers were working with. Every piece 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:05.639 of information was open source directly for you know, my 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:11.200 idol for Jay and that's where we were at that time. 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:13.960 And if that's the case, then you know, yeah, he's 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:17.879 gonna be around more. You know. If I you know, 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:20.920 I went off and you know, started focusing on clothes 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:27.720 and uh building my company and my you know, my 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:31.000 factory and my office and just focus on my family 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:39.520 all this, and you know that's what happened. Jay said, 0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:42.000 you went too far talking about his family. Do you 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:47.119 feel like you feel like you went too far? What 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:52.120 pends on how you look at it. If we're a family, 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:57.560 if we're brothers and we are family, then then it's 0:20:57.600 --> 0:21:00.960 my family. If we're business or so shits and this, 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:07.920 then it was too far, gotcha, you know, respectfully, you know, Um, 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:12.800 you know, I gotta say, you know, I was hurt 0:21:12.920 --> 0:21:15.439 about I was hurt about them not coming to the wedding. 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:23.080 I understand it was going through some things. But if 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:27.560 it's family, you know, you're not gonna miss a wedding, 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:30.280 you know. And I'm not I'm not using this interview 0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:35.640 to put any negative things, but I gotta state, yeah, 0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:38.560 I gotta state my truth, like and then that one 0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:41.000 thing happens, and another thing happens, another thing, have another 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:43.200 things happening you just start coming up with all type 0:21:43.200 --> 0:21:45.680 of crazy ideas in your head and stuff like why 0:21:46.800 --> 0:21:49.480 and it obviously it's me. I'm like, wow, personality and 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:51.439 stuff from like the cousin. You can't bring nowhere all 0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:57.080 this type of stuff obviously. Uh. But uh, that's interesting 0:21:57.080 --> 0:21:59.679 about the wedding. Did did they not come because you 0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:02.200 know in the press it was Beyonce they has a 0:22:02.280 --> 0:22:04.840 problem with Kim or you know, they don't like all 0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:09.440 the Kardashian reality show type thing, or maybe now in hindsight, 0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:11.199 maybe it was because they had their own issues that 0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:13.280 they was trying to work out. What do you think 0:22:13.280 --> 0:22:20.280 it was? I'm not sure. I'm past it, but at 0:22:20.280 --> 0:22:22.320 the time I was hurt about it. Did you ask him? 0:22:26.040 --> 0:22:30.879 I don't think I've asked them that question directly, maybe 0:22:30.920 --> 0:22:34.400 talking through someone that worked with him and that kind 0:22:34.400 --> 0:22:38.400 of thing. But I think you gotta address what bothers you. Hey, 0:22:38.840 --> 0:22:41.639 I think that's what might be causing that, what causes 0:22:41.680 --> 0:22:45.600 the breakthroughs. You know, when you're not asking the things 0:22:45.600 --> 0:22:48.600 that you want to ask, Like those are questions you 0:22:48.600 --> 0:22:50.920 can get answers for, Like some things you can't get 0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:52.840 answered for, but that one you can get an answered 0:22:52.840 --> 0:23:00.159 for I don't think the answer fixes it. True. True. 0:23:00.920 --> 0:23:02.679 I want to go back to something you said speaking 0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:05.440 about fixing something like how did you, as a man, 0:23:06.400 --> 0:23:09.439 forgive yourself for you know, you said you feel like 0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:12.760 you let your your wife down because you hired the security. 0:23:12.920 --> 0:23:15.600 How did you get over that because that's not your fault, 0:23:15.720 --> 0:23:20.960 that's a chance. I mean, she wasn't here. I would 0:23:20.960 --> 0:23:28.320 never forgive myself, you know, it's just bucked out when 0:23:28.359 --> 0:23:32.840 you're super a high profile and this celebrity, the concept 0:23:32.840 --> 0:23:36.800 of celebrity. You're like as famous as the president, but 0:23:36.960 --> 0:23:40.080 you don't have National Guard with you. You gotta hire 0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:44.119 your own. You gotta make your own like you know, 0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:48.880 community guard. So you just it's just a constant thing basically, 0:23:49.680 --> 0:23:52.040 the idea of security and the way it relates to 0:23:52.119 --> 0:23:55.760 fame and this that all that. It's like, yeah, especially 0:23:55.800 --> 0:23:59.080 with you know, social media and all these different things 0:23:59.119 --> 0:24:01.680 and like, oh, that's like my wife doesn't even wear 0:24:02.560 --> 0:24:05.480 big diamonds anymore. We don't keep no jury, no money 0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:09.920 in the house, no you know, name, high art, none 0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:12.479 of that. We don't keep any of that any place, 0:24:12.960 --> 0:24:15.560 you know, where our kids stay. Yeah, that's one of 0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:17.480 the things I'll talk to my therapists about though, because 0:24:17.480 --> 0:24:21.359 it's it's a very vulnerable feeling being a father and 0:24:21.440 --> 0:24:23.640 a husband, because our job is to protect and provide. 0:24:23.640 --> 0:24:26.040 But you we're not with our kids twenty four seven, 0:24:26.160 --> 0:24:29.400 like our kids at school right now, Like anything can happen. 0:24:29.600 --> 0:24:31.400 You know, you're not with your wife all the time, 0:24:31.480 --> 0:24:33.359 so anything can happen. So it's kind of like a 0:24:33.480 --> 0:24:36.679 very vulnerable feeling like you almost got to let go 0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:40.119 and let God so to speak. You know, do you 0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:43.480 think you think it's easy to be feeless when it's 0:24:43.520 --> 0:24:45.879 just you that you have to worry about. But you know, 0:24:45.920 --> 0:24:48.159 not being a husband and a parent do to make 0:24:48.200 --> 0:24:53.399 you more afraid to take more chances? Yeah, but you 0:24:53.440 --> 0:24:58.880 gotta stay brave. You have to follow your gut feeling. 0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:04.880 Know I have everyone has a position in the universe, 0:25:04.960 --> 0:25:07.480 and you know, I've been made and had the experiences 0:25:07.520 --> 0:25:14.240 I had for a reason to be expressive, to to 0:25:14.240 --> 0:25:18.160 to go through going to the hospital, to go through 0:25:18.200 --> 0:25:25.640 the dynamics of you know, family, brother working relationships. You know, 0:25:26.520 --> 0:25:29.200 I gotta follow my gut when I have that fear. 0:25:29.240 --> 0:25:31.520 I said, have to be you know, brave, and you 0:25:31.560 --> 0:25:34.320 know I think as interested in this world. That's like 0:25:34.440 --> 0:25:38.800 looking for sound bites. Like when we talk about the 0:25:38.960 --> 0:25:44.960 Jay thing, it's like, you know what, I do love Jay, 0:25:46.000 --> 0:25:54.600 and I don't have all the answers for every issue 0:25:54.640 --> 0:25:58.760 I've ever had. I don't have a sound bite for everything. 0:25:59.040 --> 0:26:03.320 That's fine, you know, Like you said, sometimes a language 0:26:03.359 --> 0:26:07.119 is an overrated formal communication, right, Like words don't always 0:26:07.560 --> 0:26:09.600 do it? Do it? Justice? I saw something you tweeted 0:26:09.800 --> 0:26:11.440 and it was to the effective us. Some things can't 0:26:11.440 --> 0:26:15.080 be explained. Some things just need to be experienced. What's 0:26:15.080 --> 0:26:18.239 what's that? Expand on that a little bit. When you 0:26:18.280 --> 0:26:21.239 want to express yourself, A lot of times words can 0:26:21.280 --> 0:26:26.760 get in the way justice innate feeling that we have. 0:26:27.800 --> 0:26:30.440 You know, when someone's talking to you, trying to talk 0:26:30.480 --> 0:26:32.440 you into something or something like that, and you're just like, look, 0:26:33.000 --> 0:26:38.800 this just don't feel right. You know. Oftentimes people playing 0:26:38.840 --> 0:26:43.480 ball doing karate whatever it is they and people that 0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:45.800 they don't mention karate. Since the eighties, karate used to 0:26:45.840 --> 0:26:47.280 be the ship, you know, but you see all the 0:26:47.359 --> 0:26:51.160 karate films like, but it always be you know, get 0:26:51.160 --> 0:26:53.920 out of your head, go from your gut, go from 0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:57.480 your cheat, do what you feel and That's what I'm 0:26:57.520 --> 0:27:05.600 big on. Stop strategizing so much, Stop setting so many plays, 0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:12.560 Stop doing things only based in fear, like the universe 0:27:13.800 --> 0:27:18.119 will assist you when you are acting in love. I 0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:20.480 tweeted this thing where I said, when you're acting in love, 0:27:20.560 --> 0:27:22.600 you're like a drop of water and you have the 0:27:22.680 --> 0:27:26.040 ocean as your army. When you act in fear, it's 0:27:26.080 --> 0:27:28.879 just you and your money. Now, you could take your 0:27:28.880 --> 0:27:31.200 money and put it in bitcoin, and put a credit form, 0:27:31.240 --> 0:27:33.520 put in cash, or all your cash, and then and 0:27:33.560 --> 0:27:36.200 then stand up to the ocean, and who's gonna win. 0:27:37.000 --> 0:27:41.080 I'm understanding. I think your mind stayed a little bit 0:27:41.080 --> 0:27:43.280 more like when you was on stage and you'd be 0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:47.520 going into those rants, it was out of fear. You're 0:27:47.560 --> 0:27:55.480 afraid at that time. I think those rants, I think 0:27:55.520 --> 0:28:00.800 to do the rants though we're brave. I think we're 0:28:00.840 --> 0:28:08.200 in a place now where bravery is more important than perfection, 0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:16.200 Feeling is more important than thought. People get so they 0:28:16.240 --> 0:28:18.359 put so much thought into it, what's going to happen? 0:28:18.560 --> 0:28:22.359 So I actually think that the rents came from a 0:28:22.440 --> 0:28:27.400 place a bravery and I had enough of the politics, 0:28:28.200 --> 0:28:30.120 you know, And that's the world that we're in right now, 0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:35.360 like people are speaking their truth. You know, people are 0:28:35.400 --> 0:28:39.840 expressing themselves. And you know, I've been waiting for this. 0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:42.680 I've been waiting for this moment because it's always been 0:28:42.720 --> 0:28:47.040 such a you know, just a politically rand you know, 0:28:48.080 --> 0:28:51.440 society and mentality that everyone's been in and stuff like 0:28:51.520 --> 0:28:53.320 don't do that, you need to do this, you need 0:28:53.360 --> 0:28:55.000 to you don't need to hang out with them, you 0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:56.640 need to hang out with them, you know, blah blah 0:28:56.680 --> 0:28:59.000 all this and like trying to please people and all 0:28:59.040 --> 0:29:01.640 that stuff. And I don't feel like right now like 0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:05.080 people are trying to please people the same way they're 0:29:05.120 --> 0:29:09.360 trying to please themselves. That could be a bad thing too, though, 0:29:09.440 --> 0:29:11.680 right because I feel like we're all public service at 0:29:11.680 --> 0:29:13.320 the end of the day, we're here to serve the 0:29:13.440 --> 0:29:17.480 needs of the public. We're all greater than ourselves. Well, 0:29:17.720 --> 0:29:19.440 we definitely got to touch you on the word bad 0:29:20.080 --> 0:29:24.120 and the idea of good and bad things just are 0:29:25.240 --> 0:29:27.480 it depends on what side you are if something is 0:29:27.520 --> 0:29:30.120 good or bad. It depends on what your agenda is. 0:29:30.440 --> 0:29:32.200 But of course we can speak in terms of bad. 0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:36.160 You know, we we haven't got our language hasn't evolved 0:29:36.640 --> 0:29:40.160 to what either of us are feeling at this point. 0:29:40.640 --> 0:29:43.760 So both of us could be thinking in two thousand 0:29:43.800 --> 0:29:47.360 and thirty, but we still got to communicate in two 0:29:47.760 --> 0:29:51.640 and eighteen because that's when this is dropping. So we 0:29:51.960 --> 0:29:55.440 because you always seem to play play in the future. Yeah, 0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:57.080 I guess we don't. I guess we could be in 0:29:57.080 --> 0:30:00.440 the future. Yeah, people got to catch up. Yeah, you 0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:03.720 talked about the politics, you know, you said on stage. 0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:07.560 I was saying that with the word bad bad, because 0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:10.440 people are people. People are so raised on the idea 0:30:10.480 --> 0:30:15.160 of home team, away team, positive, negative, good, bad, Like 0:30:15.200 --> 0:30:17.320 I think negative gets too much of a negative rap. 0:30:18.120 --> 0:30:21.600 You know, it's life is a balance. Yeah, that's when 0:30:21.600 --> 0:30:23.280 we were talking earlier. I was liking, I don't believe 0:30:23.280 --> 0:30:26.680 in any good or bad experiences. I feel like everything's 0:30:26.680 --> 0:30:29.240 just a part of the process of life. Yeah. You know, 0:30:29.240 --> 0:30:31.600 when you think about bad experiences that have happened to you, 0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:34.720 do you still look at them as just bad or 0:30:34.720 --> 0:30:38.840 did you learn something from them? There's no bad and 0:30:38.960 --> 0:30:43.440 there's no enemies, even people want to kill you or 0:30:43.560 --> 0:30:49.720 not your enemy. That's something I was going to tweet, 0:30:49.720 --> 0:30:53.080 and I was like, I feel this, but I don't 0:30:53.120 --> 0:30:59.920 know if people would take it in a certain way. 0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:02.320 Got a lot of ideas that afford and you know, 0:31:02.360 --> 0:31:04.640 I'm just gonna keep building like a mountain, the mountain 0:31:04.720 --> 0:31:07.760 of like a snowball snowball ideas, and just keep getting 0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:11.800 more and more more more expressive as I go. That's 0:31:11.800 --> 0:31:14.840 what the book is going. But you know, I don't 0:31:14.840 --> 0:31:16.720 even know if it's a book. It's like stream. It's 0:31:16.720 --> 0:31:18.800 all about streams. Everything is stream. That's why that's an 0:31:18.840 --> 0:31:23.120 amazing word. That's an amazing modern and futuristic word. Streams, 0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:26.960 streams of conscious and streaming music. Everything is just a stream. 0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:31.600 It relates to water. You know, it's like exactly you 0:31:31.640 --> 0:31:34.640 know where we will be. We will be ultra like 0:31:34.720 --> 0:31:36.800 being an ultra like stream. We will be all just 0:31:36.840 --> 0:31:41.080 a stream. I feel like Kanye West the brand, well, 0:31:41.160 --> 0:31:44.680 Kanye West, the man is rebelling against Kanye West the brand. 0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:48.280 You know, my email is not at Kanye West. You 0:31:48.400 --> 0:31:53.120 will have retired from whatever that meant to be Kanye West. 0:31:53.160 --> 0:31:55.560 So I think the spirit, my spirit, my attitude is 0:31:55.560 --> 0:32:00.200 a representation of fighting for your own truthful live. Like 0:32:00.200 --> 0:32:02.360 if I died tomorrow, stuff it would live past me. 0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:06.400 The Yeah, it's like a pock thing and stuff. That's 0:32:06.400 --> 0:32:08.520 your name though, just like Tupac, that was his name, 0:32:08.600 --> 0:32:12.320 Like your mother gave you the name Kanye West there 0:32:12.480 --> 0:32:15.240 and it means the only one. You know. One of 0:32:15.280 --> 0:32:17.280 the incredible things I thought about when I went to 0:32:17.280 --> 0:32:19.440 the hospital is on Kendrick's album, there is the skit, 0:32:20.160 --> 0:32:24.240 uh what Tupackets talk about the Black man at age thirty? Right, 0:32:24.760 --> 0:32:28.480 And I'm like, I made it to thirty nine. I 0:32:28.560 --> 0:32:32.520 made it to thirty nine with my opinion alive, with 0:32:32.680 --> 0:32:36.920 my opinion. I'm forty and I still have my opinion. 0:32:38.320 --> 0:32:41.960 You know. One of the things that was incredible when I, 0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:52.800 you know, got out of the hospital was I had 0:32:52.840 --> 0:32:57.760 lost my confidence. Kanye was with no confidence. I was 0:32:57.800 --> 0:33:02.720 like Michael Jordan new jumping Yeah, like and you could 0:33:02.720 --> 0:33:04.520 see it, that's what I'm saying, sunken place and all 0:33:04.520 --> 0:33:11.280 this stuff. You know, It's like, uh and wow. I 0:33:11.520 --> 0:33:16.160 never had the empathy for people who lacked confidence. I 0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:19.760 had so much of it. I didn't know what it 0:33:19.840 --> 0:33:22.080 was like to be without it. Do you mean zero 0:33:22.320 --> 0:33:26.680 confidence or you just was less confident than usual. It 0:33:26.840 --> 0:33:36.800 just wasn't Black Panther Superman level confidence. It was you know, 0:33:39.000 --> 0:33:41.520 it was placed into the simulation, and shit, I was 0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:48.040 like completely could be like molded and controlled and everything. 0:33:48.080 --> 0:33:50.360 If that was the case, if I was, you know, 0:33:50.400 --> 0:33:53.680 I wouldn't I wouldn't speak up, you know, I you 0:33:53.720 --> 0:33:56.040 know I'm gonna speak up and stuff like where I 0:33:56.160 --> 0:34:00.560 was and I got the hospital. It's even when I 0:34:00.600 --> 0:34:05.920 did the next fashion show, you know it, it got 0:34:05.960 --> 0:34:11.880 all these good reviews. Yeah, because I was less confident 0:34:11.960 --> 0:34:15.040 because it's like they're there, boy, that's exactly what we wanted. 0:34:16.080 --> 0:34:22.440 Oh okay, okay, So you were you traded authenticity for approval. 0:34:22.760 --> 0:34:26.319 I didn't trade it. I just didn't have it. I 0:34:26.360 --> 0:34:29.960 didn't have me. I didn't have my confidence, so that 0:34:30.200 --> 0:34:35.480 superpower could never Like if I was like homeless, any situation, 0:34:35.840 --> 0:34:38.920 you could take everything you could black mirror me. You 0:34:38.960 --> 0:34:41.680 can put shit on the media and say yay, fuck 0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:43.759 the goat, that all this type of ship, and you 0:34:43.800 --> 0:34:50.040 will not take my confidence away. What took Kanye's confidence? 0:34:50.080 --> 0:34:52.640 That's like that's literally like somebody bringing Krypton make the Superman. 0:34:52.760 --> 0:34:55.000 That's why I taking the herb from Black Panther. Like, 0:34:55.040 --> 0:35:01.600 what took your confidence? I don't know exactly what it was. 0:35:01.760 --> 0:35:03.720 It had something to do. I mean maybe a doctor 0:35:03.760 --> 0:35:06.040 could give an explanation, but it had to do or 0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:09.359 something with coming through the breakthrough. I like to call 0:35:09.440 --> 0:35:12.520 it the breakthrough and have the breakdown coming through the 0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:20.799 breakthrough that you know. But also I think it was 0:35:20.840 --> 0:35:25.160 incredible because it was a forced amount. It was forced 0:35:25.239 --> 0:35:28.719 humility because I positive or negative, I like a humility. 0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:34.040 It just is what it is. But previously I would 0:35:34.040 --> 0:35:36.279 have looked at humility is more of a negative thing, 0:35:36.280 --> 0:35:39.439 and even if you read certain definitions, it's it's kind 0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:41.359 of got a negative vibe. But as you said before, 0:35:41.520 --> 0:35:46.600 no positive or negative. But also that humility gave me 0:35:46.680 --> 0:35:51.160 time to to grow and everyone just backed off. A 0:35:51.800 --> 0:35:53.200 lot of people depend on me. They asked for a 0:35:53.239 --> 0:35:55.000 lot of things that like Superman do this for me. 0:35:56.440 --> 0:36:03.080 And you know, one of the things that the irony 0:36:03.120 --> 0:36:06.520 because people always talk about the Sunken Place and you 0:36:06.600 --> 0:36:08.839 think the meme. They got the meme of you and 0:36:08.880 --> 0:36:10.719 you're you're the main character from Get Out with the 0:36:10.760 --> 0:36:15.400 Tears in your eyes and Chris Teacup. Yeah that I 0:36:15.480 --> 0:36:17.000 never saw the meme, but I could, I could, I 0:36:17.080 --> 0:36:20.480 get the picture of it. M The funny thing about 0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:26.200 that is that my wife like she's like, I'm responsible, 0:36:26.440 --> 0:36:30.640 Like Yay's mom has passed away, I'm responsible to take 0:36:30.680 --> 0:36:35.040 care of this superhero. And my mom might have had 0:36:35.200 --> 0:36:39.160 these things where she made sure I never took my 0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:42.800 Superman cape off. You know, I got this rap that 0:36:42.920 --> 0:36:45.800 say parents are the strippers striped kids, that the confidence 0:36:46.480 --> 0:36:50.120 teach white dominance, question your common sense. I've been washed 0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:52.759 in tradition. The a'm a Rents hopped off the alma 0:36:52.840 --> 0:36:57.000 stile and made a'm a god. Um. Now, when I 0:36:57.040 --> 0:36:58.719 said it, I like it for this interview. When I 0:36:58.719 --> 0:37:01.719 said it on a song, I didn't like the frequency 0:37:01.760 --> 0:37:04.680 of it because it felt dated because it touched on 0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:08.480 race too much. So it's not that not that racing. 0:37:08.640 --> 0:37:11.000 We definitely are dealing with racism, but I want to 0:37:11.239 --> 0:37:16.600 push future concepts you know now I'm doing. I'm giving 0:37:16.600 --> 0:37:18.480 you two streams of consciences. In one, I want to 0:37:18.480 --> 0:37:20.200 talk about my wife. I also want to talk about 0:37:20.200 --> 0:37:23.279 Harriet Tubman on twenty dollars bill. We're following you. You 0:37:23.320 --> 0:37:25.080 said it up good. That was the moment that I 0:37:25.120 --> 0:37:27.520 wanted to use bitcoin and I saw Harry Tubbing on 0:37:27.520 --> 0:37:30.120 a twenty dollar bill. Why it's like when you just 0:37:30.160 --> 0:37:32.680 see like all the slave movies. It's like, why you 0:37:32.719 --> 0:37:38.239 gotta keep reminding us about slavery. Why don't you show 0:37:38.280 --> 0:37:40.400 us put Michael Jordan on a twenty dollars bill? But 0:37:40.560 --> 0:37:43.680 Harriet tubbing with the slave who rebelled though, like hearing 0:37:43.719 --> 0:37:46.640 that turner in a different frequency. Though they kind of 0:37:46.640 --> 0:37:48.000 would like you when you said you didn't feel like 0:37:48.040 --> 0:37:51.520 being controlled. Yeah, you know what, it's funny Like my 0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:55.360 boy Tremaine tweeted, you know, a picture of me and 0:37:55.440 --> 0:37:57.839 Virgil and he said, Malcolm X among of the king 0:37:58.120 --> 0:38:00.799 and all these people got mass, Like how can you 0:38:00.880 --> 0:38:06.319 compare them to that? Man? I know this is going 0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:16.759 to cause an uproar, but certain certain icons is just 0:38:16.840 --> 0:38:20.640 too far in the pass and that relatable and that's 0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:24.560 what makes them safe. Like they'll let you go on 0:38:24.640 --> 0:38:29.160 the Grammys and talk about slavery and all that and 0:38:29.280 --> 0:38:34.759 racism because it's not talking about buying stock, it's not 0:38:34.880 --> 0:38:38.920 talking about buying property. Yeah, economic empolament, Yeah, it's not 0:38:38.960 --> 0:38:42.480 talking about economic power. You can complain as hard as 0:38:42.520 --> 0:38:46.920 you want on that platform, but it's not scary or 0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:49.480 that's what ultimately got model for King Junior killed like 0:38:49.520 --> 0:38:51.279 it wasn't when he was fighting the civil rights. That's 0:38:51.320 --> 0:38:53.360 when he started talking about economic empolament. When he was 0:38:53.400 --> 0:38:56.680 playing things like the Poor People's March, which is gonna 0:38:56.680 --> 0:38:59.680 be the largest march on Washington with people of all 0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:02.319 colors that were just pointing this enfranchise, that's when they 0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:05.719 took Martin up. How Cay, how is the comparison with 0:39:05.800 --> 0:39:10.480 virgin Virgil though? What was saying that he's he's more Martin, 0:39:10.520 --> 0:39:17.160 I'm more Malcolm. Oh, but there is a civil rights 0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:24.360 element to the ability to create your own industry because 0:39:24.440 --> 0:39:29.080 even when we did rap everything we got. Basketball and 0:39:29.239 --> 0:39:35.400 rap are both someone else's industry, so you're always a player. 0:39:36.160 --> 0:39:40.440 M it took Michael Jordan a long time to become 0:39:40.480 --> 0:39:45.840 an owner. Would that said because you mentioned Virgil like 0:39:45.920 --> 0:39:49.560 he's not a creative director for Louis Baton, feel like 0:39:49.600 --> 0:39:51.759 he went from being an owner with off White to 0:39:51.840 --> 0:39:53.640 not being a player. How do you how do you 0:39:53.640 --> 0:39:58.960 feel about that some people have to do things just 0:39:59.040 --> 0:40:03.160 to prove that they can be done and whether they 0:40:03.280 --> 0:40:07.320 become the billionaire Da da dada. On the other side 0:40:07.360 --> 0:40:12.319 of it, you know, Obama went into that office as 0:40:12.400 --> 0:40:19.600 a public servant in a service position, and it didn't 0:40:19.719 --> 0:40:22.680 matter the amount of money, it didn't matter the amount 0:40:22.719 --> 0:40:27.600 of ownership. The world, the world needed to see that 0:40:27.600 --> 0:40:33.799 this was a possibility. So for Virgil, it's like the 0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:37.360 world just needs to see things. You know, I was 0:40:37.400 --> 0:40:40.440 afraid to speak the way I speak now. I was 0:40:40.480 --> 0:40:46.319 afraid to show you, you know, my office in Calabasas. 0:40:46.360 --> 0:40:50.200 I was afraid to show you there's three hundred acres 0:40:50.239 --> 0:40:52.840 that I just purchased that I'm building my first community on, 0:40:52.960 --> 0:40:56.720 my first five properties on because you know, I felt 0:40:56.719 --> 0:41:01.399 like it would be shut down. But it's not about me. 0:41:01.840 --> 0:41:05.279 Even if I got killed tomorrow and they shut everything down. 0:41:06.719 --> 0:41:09.719 The fact that I put the idea out is the 0:41:09.760 --> 0:41:14.360 black panther ship. That is a kid watching this in 0:41:14.480 --> 0:41:17.680 high school and a kid in college because at a 0:41:17.719 --> 0:41:23.000 certain point, you know Pock, at a certain point he 0:41:23.080 --> 0:41:27.080 just had to message and hand the baton. He's like, 0:41:27.120 --> 0:41:29.719 I might not be here, I mean not change the world, 0:41:29.760 --> 0:41:33.560 but I mean the seed and somebody else that mean change. Yeah, 0:41:33.600 --> 0:41:38.760 And that's the thing. The problem is obviously self reservation 0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:45.640 is the first law nature, but people won't hand over 0:41:47.040 --> 0:41:54.239 codes completely to the next generation out of just protecting themselves. Like, 0:41:54.320 --> 0:41:58.880 some of the stuff we're touching on is very scary, 0:41:58.960 --> 0:42:01.680 and I'm having to be brave to talk to you 0:42:01.719 --> 0:42:05.680 about it. There's so many elements in our life that 0:42:06.160 --> 0:42:10.240 create an icon that you're supposed to look, you're supposed 0:42:10.239 --> 0:42:12.600 to feel like you're not as good as the icon. 0:42:14.000 --> 0:42:16.080 I have an issue with that. I'm just gonna say it, 0:42:16.320 --> 0:42:22.399 backlash whatever. I have an issue with ideas that are 0:42:22.400 --> 0:42:26.120 presented that make you feel less for your entire life. 0:42:26.480 --> 0:42:28.520 We look at human beings as more than men or 0:42:28.600 --> 0:42:31.520 more than women. Yeah, yeah, and then when they do 0:42:31.600 --> 0:42:36.959 something that's human, yeah, they're like, oh they let us down. 0:42:37.360 --> 0:42:42.239 Oh yeah, bro. When I was in the hospital, especially 0:42:43.160 --> 0:42:45.560 the black people that worked at the hospital, and I 0:42:45.600 --> 0:42:50.600 was on that hospital bed, and I felt like they 0:42:50.640 --> 0:42:52.799 were like my family members, and I looked at them 0:42:52.800 --> 0:42:56.120 in their in their eyes, and I don't know, it 0:42:56.280 --> 0:42:58.520 was like the tribe or something. It's like, as much 0:42:58.560 --> 0:43:00.840 as I want to say we're one race, one he 0:43:00.920 --> 0:43:04.680 met one living organism. You know, there is an element 0:43:04.880 --> 0:43:09.040 of the black celebrity in America. And when I was 0:43:09.120 --> 0:43:11.280 laid out in the hospital bad looking through the window 0:43:11.920 --> 0:43:15.920 at a black UCLA employee, I felt like I had 0:43:16.000 --> 0:43:18.399 left them down. I felt like they was looking at 0:43:18.440 --> 0:43:22.359 me like just shaking a head. That just sad. It's like, oh, 0:43:22.400 --> 0:43:26.000 that's yay, that's yay in that hospital bad, that's our 0:43:26.160 --> 0:43:30.920 gay bro, like, that's that's our the ya juice, like 0:43:31.040 --> 0:43:34.360 he can't like they can't, they can't break him. That 0:43:34.719 --> 0:43:36.880 your tribe though. I think I think, you know, one 0:43:37.160 --> 0:43:39.400 of the one of the big moments was when you 0:43:39.760 --> 0:43:42.440 met with Donald Trump, and I think that led a 0:43:42.480 --> 0:43:45.640 lot of people down. You know. The funny thing is 0:43:45.719 --> 0:43:48.799 I always think about that Dave Chappelle skit of the 0:43:49.960 --> 0:43:58.319 was Benjamin Bixie. It's like they created you know about 0:43:58.320 --> 0:44:00.680 the blind Rasons, right, yeah, the blind Raceists and stuff 0:44:00.719 --> 0:44:06.600 like Clayton Bigsby. Right. It's like I felt like when 0:44:06.640 --> 0:44:09.560 I came out and expressed what I said, and when 0:44:09.600 --> 0:44:12.320 I felt that was almost like a Clayton Bigsby moment, 0:44:12.400 --> 0:44:16.439 when everybody's head exploded, like, my ya, George Bush don't 0:44:16.440 --> 0:44:20.439 care about black people, cannot in any way, this dude 0:44:20.480 --> 0:44:23.640 has to like dis Trump at all points, at all costs, 0:44:24.000 --> 0:44:31.440 everything about and who was some dynamics to this. So 0:44:31.480 --> 0:44:37.200 many people around me said, don't express your feelings why 0:44:37.400 --> 0:44:41.080 your brand, You're this, You're that, You're that you said 0:44:41.120 --> 0:44:43.520 you would have voted for. That's the feeling I'm you're 0:44:43.560 --> 0:44:50.719 talking about, right, Yeah, that feeling. Yeah, because people first 0:44:50.719 --> 0:44:53.520 thing they say is racism. They say, well, what makes 0:44:53.600 --> 0:45:00.800 George Bush more any more racist than Trump? There's a question, 0:45:02.080 --> 0:45:08.600 my friend asked me. My responses, well, racism isn't the 0:45:08.719 --> 0:45:10.440 deal breaker from here. If that was the case, I 0:45:10.440 --> 0:45:13.640 wouldn't live in America. That's a rich that's a rich 0:45:13.719 --> 0:45:21.960 nigh though. Oh no, as a rich yeah ideal with racism, 0:45:22.200 --> 0:45:25.239 I do it just best for the indusgated community. But 0:45:25.440 --> 0:45:39.080 all the tip shit, I deal with it. So I 0:45:39.080 --> 0:45:41.600 I got love for Obama. I got love for everybody, 0:45:41.640 --> 0:45:46.200 every human being that ever existed. But I felt like 0:45:47.400 --> 0:45:52.880 Obama was perfect. He was almost like Nike or is 0:45:54.320 --> 0:45:58.879 where if you or Nike? When I was at Nike 0:45:59.760 --> 0:46:02.800 that Nike. Now like when I said, if you sew 0:46:02.880 --> 0:46:06.600 in the good with everything and you got your whole 0:46:06.640 --> 0:46:09.840 thing playing down a strategize, if you have like a 0:46:10.000 --> 0:46:12.960 rogue character like me that comes in and says we 0:46:13.000 --> 0:46:15.080 need to do this for Chicago, we need to do this, 0:46:15.160 --> 0:46:18.760 that you're gonna take it with a grain of salt. 0:46:19.760 --> 0:46:22.920 You're gonna be cordial, You're gonna be all you know, 0:46:23.040 --> 0:46:27.800 all that. But you're like, you're not really gonna change anything, 0:46:28.760 --> 0:46:30.480 you know. Night when I was at Nike, they weren't 0:46:30.520 --> 0:46:34.400 willing to change anything. They feel n who I have 0:46:34.440 --> 0:46:37.000 the most respect for. I have respect for everyone at 0:46:37.040 --> 0:46:40.319 Nike too, these guys, Mark Parker. You know, I just 0:46:40.360 --> 0:46:43.080 gotta speak out as a as a parent, you know, 0:46:43.200 --> 0:46:46.160 and apologize to this man forever, speaking ill on his 0:46:46.280 --> 0:46:51.400 name and his company, because he gave me that shot 0:46:51.840 --> 0:46:55.400 when we did the original Easy at Nike and he 0:46:55.520 --> 0:46:56.719 was there with me. I was on a plane with 0:46:56.800 --> 0:46:59.479 him on sketching and he said, look at this sketch 0:46:59.640 --> 0:47:01.400 because got a chance. And he put me next to 0:47:01.440 --> 0:47:07.040 Tinker hot Field and it's me and don See making 0:47:07.080 --> 0:47:10.160 the first Yeezy with Tinker hot Field and Mark Parker. 0:47:10.719 --> 0:47:14.680 That was the squad that made the original Nike Yeasy. 0:47:14.800 --> 0:47:21.480 So I just want I always wanted to express that 0:47:21.520 --> 0:47:25.480 as as a father, and you know, and when my 0:47:25.600 --> 0:47:33.279 karma comes, you know, I'll accept it in real time, 0:47:34.239 --> 0:47:36.680 you know, like kill Bill. You know what I'm saying. 0:47:37.360 --> 0:47:39.640 When that karma comes to get you, people I got 0:47:39.680 --> 0:47:42.120 a frustration sometimes, yeah, but I got some karma waiting 0:47:42.120 --> 0:47:48.280 on me so um, but I just wanted to express 0:47:48.360 --> 0:47:53.840 that because we're putting into the universe only good energy, 0:47:54.040 --> 0:47:56.560 and every moment was a great moment because if Mark 0:47:56.560 --> 0:48:01.640 Parker hadn't given me that moment, then he help turbo 0:48:01.760 --> 0:48:04.399 charge me. And the combination Louis Vuitton. I had Louis 0:48:04.440 --> 0:48:07.120 Vuitton sneaker and Nike sneaker come out at the same time, 0:48:07.440 --> 0:48:11.600 so they helped turbo charge me. And I had a 0:48:11.600 --> 0:48:15.000 conversation with my friend in Chris's house down the street. 0:48:16.040 --> 0:48:19.359 And you talk about some rich egga shit, I'll tell 0:48:19.360 --> 0:48:23.400 you something, a regular man shit that every man deals with. 0:48:24.480 --> 0:48:30.840 My girlfriend has a child. We have a baby. You 0:48:32.760 --> 0:48:39.400 make decisions in your life based on providing for your family. 0:48:40.400 --> 0:48:45.600 I love Nike. I loved the Nike. I have to 0:48:45.600 --> 0:48:50.799 put the eed on it for the stockholders. So but 0:48:52.000 --> 0:48:53.880 when I was, you know, younger, I used to sketch 0:48:54.000 --> 0:48:57.520 to swoosh everything, you know, So it was heartbreaking for 0:48:57.680 --> 0:49:05.799 me to have to leave Nike. But they refused to 0:49:05.840 --> 0:49:09.920 allow me to get royalty on my shoe, and I 0:49:10.000 --> 0:49:12.120 knew I had the hottest shoe in the world. I 0:49:12.200 --> 0:49:15.040 knew Yeasy was the hottest brand in the world, but 0:49:15.120 --> 0:49:17.000 I couldn't get royalties. They just said, look, you can 0:49:17.000 --> 0:49:19.399 make five thousand shoes or ten thousand shoes and we'll 0:49:19.440 --> 0:49:22.040 give some of the proceeds to your favorite charity. But 0:49:22.120 --> 0:49:25.200 it was nothing to build. No. Now we building factories. 0:49:25.680 --> 0:49:30.879 They wouldn't let me build anything. Trying to create generational wealth. Yeah, 0:49:30.920 --> 0:49:33.680 and just put out more amazing ideas to the world, 0:49:33.920 --> 0:49:38.600 both things, generational wealth, more ideas. My friend was that 0:49:39.080 --> 0:49:42.440 Chris's house and expressed to me that he had received 0:49:42.480 --> 0:49:46.600 a royalty because he was a store and I'm easy 0:49:46.840 --> 0:49:49.239 and they wouldn't give me a royalty. That was like 0:49:49.280 --> 0:49:53.560 the final straw. I was talking to Puma and talking 0:49:53.600 --> 0:49:58.480 to Adidas. The dude didn't sign me at Puma. Definitely 0:49:58.520 --> 0:50:00.480 needs to lose his job and stuff. I'm not gonna 0:50:00.520 --> 0:50:05.600 say his name, but can you imagine so, because you know, 0:50:05.680 --> 0:50:09.960 with that infrastructure and these ideas in this connection I have, 0:50:11.080 --> 0:50:13.640 it wasn't no way. It wasn't gonna be a unicorn. 0:50:13.719 --> 0:50:16.120 You know, Jeezy is a unicorse, a billion dollar company. 0:50:16.360 --> 0:50:22.719 We were at fifteen million two years ago, and we're 0:50:22.719 --> 0:50:26.920 gonna hit a billion this year. It's never ever been 0:50:26.960 --> 0:50:30.520 heard of. So that make you anxious if they give 0:50:30.520 --> 0:50:36.279 you anxiety, Uh, okay, that's what it's supposed to be. 0:50:37.120 --> 0:50:42.400 You know, if I really had some percentage that related 0:50:42.480 --> 0:50:45.120 to my actual influence, I'd be like a multi trillionaire. 0:50:45.600 --> 0:50:50.360 So that's fine. So I made the decision and I left, 0:50:51.320 --> 0:50:55.640 and I went with someone that would allow me to 0:50:55.680 --> 0:51:01.840 build something. You know, I can call the CEO of 0:51:03.800 --> 0:51:07.720 Adidas directly. I have a cell phone. Mark Parker wouldn't 0:51:07.719 --> 0:51:14.759 get on the phone with me. Really, I don't even 0:51:14.760 --> 0:51:18.440 think you should be apologizing them. He wouldn't even give 0:51:18.440 --> 0:51:22.120 you a courtesy call. Yeah, you know, they'd say things 0:51:22.160 --> 0:51:25.640 like I don't know why people like the Yeasies and 0:51:25.800 --> 0:51:29.160 you know fairies. So and the funny thing is, look 0:51:29.160 --> 0:51:35.919 at Nike now. Literally all the people that ever work 0:51:36.000 --> 0:51:39.200 with me are like the hottest people at Nike now, 0:51:39.840 --> 0:51:46.480 Like they gave them the deals because we left and 0:51:46.600 --> 0:51:50.480 ripped their heads off. Um, how did that make you 0:51:50.520 --> 0:51:53.960 feel with me? Leave you to go back to a 0:51:54.000 --> 0:51:58.000 place that stifled job? Basically, who are you saying they're 0:51:58.040 --> 0:52:04.640 talking about? Like, yeah, um they got families, bro. You 0:52:04.680 --> 0:52:08.480 know these corporations. They provide an opportunity. These are my friends, 0:52:08.480 --> 0:52:11.239 they have families. If I'm not going to provide them 0:52:11.239 --> 0:52:12.920 the same opportunity, I'm not going to stand in their 0:52:12.920 --> 0:52:16.320 way either. But you are provide them the same opportunity. 0:52:17.239 --> 0:52:20.080 It's just more of ale Y'll are building something as 0:52:20.120 --> 0:52:24.120 opposed to something that already exists. Now, like a lot 0:52:24.160 --> 0:52:27.440 of times, people like the room the space. You know, 0:52:27.520 --> 0:52:31.360 when you get such a big corporation, you could build 0:52:31.400 --> 0:52:35.000 up your own brand next to it. If you're really 0:52:35.400 --> 0:52:39.000 you know, close to me, it's just going to be 0:52:39.040 --> 0:52:42.279 my brand. So people you know, want to build their 0:52:42.280 --> 0:52:45.120 own brand actually need to be as far away from 0:52:45.120 --> 0:52:48.760 me as possible to just to get out of the shadow. 0:52:49.600 --> 0:52:52.040 I'm kind of we kind of weird because you know, 0:52:52.880 --> 0:52:55.080 you being Kanye West. The heat that you bring heats 0:52:55.120 --> 0:52:57.720 them up just enough. Like I wouldn't know a Virgil 0:52:58.160 --> 0:53:00.920 and he hadn't been Kanye West, his creative director or 0:53:01.000 --> 0:53:06.520 creative collaborator or whatever you wanted to call it. Yeah, 0:53:06.920 --> 0:53:11.560 it's interesting. Now all unfolds and you feel different ways. 0:53:11.600 --> 0:53:14.879 There's a lot of there's mixed emotions. They're like, oh, 0:53:14.920 --> 0:53:17.160 this is my crew, My crew is working for Nike 0:53:17.960 --> 0:53:22.560 killing it. You know, I want my crew next to me, 0:53:22.640 --> 0:53:24.480 because like when I get on the phone with Virgil, 0:53:25.360 --> 0:53:30.160 that's my you know, that's my team. He's he's like 0:53:30.320 --> 0:53:34.399 the strategists. I'm I'm the emotor. I'm like Tesla. I'm 0:53:34.400 --> 0:53:36.640 thinking of all the ideas like Nikola, Tesla like not 0:53:36.719 --> 0:53:40.160 the car. And I'm thinking of all these ideas. And 0:53:41.000 --> 0:53:43.120 Virgil is able to take all of those ideas and 0:53:43.160 --> 0:53:50.400 then architect them because he is an architect, like you 0:53:50.440 --> 0:53:54.880 would the school for architecture. But also this is great training. 0:53:55.040 --> 0:53:57.200 You know, people gotta like I heard Nike dust stuff 0:53:57.239 --> 0:54:00.480 like sends people to business school. But there still like 0:54:00.600 --> 0:54:09.280 a Nike like best believe Don Matt, Virgil, Jerry still 0:54:09.400 --> 0:54:12.279 Donda at the end of the day, Louis Baton, It's 0:54:12.280 --> 0:54:15.160 still Donda at the end of the day. So I know, 0:54:15.200 --> 0:54:18.279 we go We're going to back to the presidential thing. 0:54:19.520 --> 0:54:21.080 So I want to go back to Brundia too. We'll 0:54:21.080 --> 0:54:22.359 go back 's go back to the president thing. I'm 0:54:22.400 --> 0:54:24.680 still trying to figure out what's the correlationship between Obama 0:54:24.719 --> 0:54:31.120 and Nike and how it relates to Trump. See, Obama 0:54:31.560 --> 0:54:34.160 came to me before he ran for office, and he 0:54:34.239 --> 0:54:36.759 met with me and my mother to let me know 0:54:36.840 --> 0:54:39.160 he was going to run for office because I am 0:54:39.200 --> 0:54:42.840 his favorite artist of all time, because I am the 0:54:42.880 --> 0:54:46.560 greatest artist of all time. You know what, It makes sense. 0:54:46.719 --> 0:54:50.640 He got good taste. Yeah, he got his confidence back. 0:54:51.960 --> 0:54:56.799 I'm just saying that it's a flat statement up to 0:54:56.880 --> 0:55:00.400 this point. You know, after me, there will be greater 0:55:01.880 --> 0:55:05.000 you know, but this is this is yay, Like this 0:55:05.120 --> 0:55:09.080 is like past anything that's happened up to this point. 0:55:10.000 --> 0:55:15.840 This is the best, even Michael Jackson, Prince Steven Wonder, 0:55:16.880 --> 0:55:18.799 whoever else you want to throw out there, because I 0:55:18.840 --> 0:55:20.920 throw out there. I though Howard Hughes in there. I 0:55:20.920 --> 0:55:24.120 through Henry Ford, I though Walt Disney, I through Steve 0:55:24.239 --> 0:55:27.480 Jobs got you in there also. So you can't say 0:55:27.480 --> 0:55:29.279 it's a lot because something like that is a matter 0:55:29.320 --> 0:55:33.040 of opinion. Yeah, and the debate, they're right, it's naven 0:55:33.080 --> 0:55:39.160 in debate. It's just the truth. Yeah, it's man, When 0:55:39.200 --> 0:55:41.399 you when you, when you're the greatest, is funny, man, 0:55:41.520 --> 0:55:44.200 you know what I mean? Like Ali lived a great life. 0:55:44.640 --> 0:55:47.360 You gotta know who you are, absolutely, you gotta know 0:55:47.400 --> 0:55:53.520 who you are. Um. So Obama it's like, Yay's like 0:55:54.560 --> 0:55:58.480 my favorite artist. I want you to support. I'm running 0:55:58.520 --> 0:56:01.399 for office, my office. It's dope. You know, I'm gonna 0:56:01.400 --> 0:56:06.360 get a black president students. Matt COO's from you know, Chicago. 0:56:08.360 --> 0:56:12.120 Then when I went on stage, and it would have 0:56:12.120 --> 0:56:13.800 been good if this video didn't get out, but you 0:56:13.840 --> 0:56:17.600 saw the video, let me called you jack? Yeah, you know, 0:56:17.680 --> 0:56:21.520 he never called me to apologize, just the same person 0:56:21.560 --> 0:56:25.399 that sat down with me and my mom. I think 0:56:25.440 --> 0:56:36.279 should have communicated to me directly and being like yo, yay, yo, 0:56:36.800 --> 0:56:38.680 you know what it is. I'm in the room and 0:56:39.760 --> 0:56:43.480 it's just a joke. You know why he said that though, 0:56:43.520 --> 0:56:46.160 I mean at that time, so words from Obama probably 0:56:46.160 --> 0:56:49.399 could have helped. He's the situation, not a little bit, 0:56:49.560 --> 0:56:51.840 you know what I mean, other pools to call you 0:56:51.840 --> 0:56:53.920 a jack as the point more fuel on the fight. 0:56:54.760 --> 0:56:58.080 You know, No, nobody's perfect. I love Obama. I'm sure, 0:56:58.640 --> 0:57:01.399 I'm sure we'll hang out Richard Francis Island or whatever. 0:57:01.480 --> 0:57:03.080 You know what I mean, It's it would be cool. 0:57:03.400 --> 0:57:06.720 I just think that we were in a period where, 0:57:08.400 --> 0:57:11.040 you know, he had so much stuff to deal with. 0:57:11.120 --> 0:57:13.320 He couldn't deal with a you know wild card Like me, 0:57:13.440 --> 0:57:17.240 I think that's too unpredictable, someone that wasn't being controlled 0:57:17.320 --> 0:57:20.240 by strategy and thoughts with someone who's acting on feelings. 0:57:21.760 --> 0:57:23.720 We knew that already up to that point, though. I mean, 0:57:23.800 --> 0:57:25.920 if anything, when you said, George Bust, don't camp up 0:57:25.960 --> 0:57:28.640 black people on stage in front of millions live, people 0:57:28.640 --> 0:57:32.560 should have realized that that moment, we can't control that guy. Yeah, 0:57:32.720 --> 0:57:35.720 you think you think people would have realized that, wouldn't 0:57:35.720 --> 0:57:43.920 You guess they didn't, So in our kind of I 0:57:44.080 --> 0:57:48.320 felt away a little bit about Obama that I'm your 0:57:48.360 --> 0:57:51.760 favorite artist. You play Touched the Sky at your inauguration, 0:57:52.680 --> 0:57:56.160 and now all of a sudden, Kendrick and Jay and 0:57:56.320 --> 0:57:58.320 all these all the people you invite to the White 0:57:58.360 --> 0:58:02.520 House like now, ease your favorite rappers now. And I 0:58:03.200 --> 0:58:05.320 ain't got a problem with these rappers, but you know 0:58:05.440 --> 0:58:12.240 I'm your favorite. But I'm not safe. But that's why 0:58:12.320 --> 0:58:16.240 you love me. So just tell me you love me, 0:58:17.240 --> 0:58:20.280 that's all, And tell the world you love me. Don't 0:58:20.320 --> 0:58:23.240 tell the world on the jackass. I'm fighting hard enough. 0:58:23.840 --> 0:58:27.360 Something about me going on stage was similar to what 0:58:27.520 --> 0:58:31.520 you was doing, because I'm fighting to break the simulation 0:58:31.880 --> 0:58:35.720 break the setup. That didn't make no sense. It's not 0:58:35.840 --> 0:58:40.560 that I'm particularly fighting for Beyonce's video. It was every 0:58:40.600 --> 0:58:43.920 time a word show has ever done that. Just fucking 0:58:44.000 --> 0:58:49.480 with artists. We are hsp highly sensitive people, artists. That's 0:58:49.520 --> 0:58:51.760 what you love about us. So you're gonna line up 0:58:51.880 --> 0:58:54.080 a whole bunch of artists and put us in some 0:58:54.240 --> 0:58:57.800 bumass suits and shit, this idea from like two hundred 0:58:57.920 --> 0:59:00.800 years ago. We dressed like two hundred years ago, lined 0:59:00.920 --> 0:59:03.440 up trying to wait for a gold statue, and you're 0:59:03.440 --> 0:59:05.840 gonna make us feel like shit. You know, it's five 0:59:05.920 --> 0:59:07.480 of us and shi four of us got to go 0:59:07.600 --> 0:59:09.360 to the restaurant with our friends and be like, man, 0:59:09.480 --> 0:59:14.920 we ain't We're nothing. Fuck that, Yeah, fuck that. I 0:59:14.920 --> 0:59:17.920 remember you said that you were upset because Rance said 0:59:17.960 --> 0:59:20.880 she refused to perform at the VMA unless you won 0:59:21.000 --> 0:59:23.400 the award. I was one of the I think as 0:59:23.400 --> 0:59:26.920 a Sacramento you went on that rent. Now you know what, 0:59:27.760 --> 0:59:30.880 I don't know if that's true. I don't. I don't. 0:59:31.040 --> 0:59:33.080 I honestly don't know if that's the true thing. I 0:59:33.200 --> 0:59:34.560 like it. Don't turn in the fact that was fake 0:59:34.640 --> 0:59:36.760 news you put up there. No someone told me that, 0:59:37.880 --> 0:59:40.280 but I haven't heard that from her and it's not confirmed, 0:59:40.480 --> 0:59:42.560 so I don't know if it's true. So that shows 0:59:42.560 --> 0:59:46.400 you like people put thoughts in your head to separate, 0:59:47.320 --> 0:59:49.760 you know. It's people who play both sides. People are 0:59:49.800 --> 0:59:53.880 somebody switching sides. There's people who will literally talk to 0:59:54.000 --> 0:59:56.040 you that I get a peace of information, drop a 0:59:56.120 --> 0:59:59.960 negative piece of talk to other side, get drop negative 1:00:00.000 --> 1:00:02.560 the information on both sides. And then it showed up. 1:00:02.600 --> 1:00:06.240 I'm like, what's up? You know? So I don't know 1:00:06.440 --> 1:00:10.280 so I could talk to I could talk to them directly. 1:00:10.360 --> 1:00:12.959 It's neither here nor there to me. But at that point, 1:00:13.160 --> 1:00:15.480 when I was on my way to the hospital, that 1:00:15.960 --> 1:00:28.120 was that affected me because I'm pure. It's like you 1:00:28.200 --> 1:00:31.919 don't appreciate pure. It's like if you don't appreciate pure, 1:00:32.240 --> 1:00:34.280 this is like more an Obama thing, Like you don't 1:00:34.280 --> 1:00:37.760 appreciate purity. You know, you don't understand the amount of 1:00:37.840 --> 1:00:42.480 bravery that it takes to be pure into your thirties 1:00:42.800 --> 1:00:46.920 and be a black in America and famous, like the 1:00:46.960 --> 1:00:49.560 amount of brain Like Richard Pryor has this piece where 1:00:49.560 --> 1:00:52.120 he talks about that. He says, like there's no such 1:00:52.200 --> 1:00:56.080 thing as someone making it and remaining pure. Like I'm 1:00:56.160 --> 1:00:58.960 talking to you in a stream right now. I'm forty 1:00:59.040 --> 1:01:02.480 years old, got a family, I'm famous, i got a 1:01:03.200 --> 1:01:09.320 billion dollar business, and I'm speaking to you in a stream. Yeah. 1:01:09.440 --> 1:01:12.120 That that bothered me. But I'm not saying I have 1:01:12.160 --> 1:01:13.600 a problem with that. I just want to put this 1:01:13.640 --> 1:01:17.080 out into the universe just to just to kind of 1:01:18.480 --> 1:01:21.840 give some people something to think about it. Now. It's interesting. 1:01:21.920 --> 1:01:24.320 It's like it's a very Gemini thing. You know. You 1:01:24.400 --> 1:01:26.320 see the trades, you see the in you and in 1:01:26.400 --> 1:01:29.520 the Pocket's like, what's wrong with expressing how you feel? 1:01:30.280 --> 1:01:31.440 You know what I mean? You get to this point 1:01:31.480 --> 1:01:34.000 where you're Kanye West, the superstar of branding, It's like 1:01:34.040 --> 1:01:36.960 they want you to be everything but human. But you're 1:01:36.960 --> 1:01:39.000 a human being being got emotions. They want you to 1:01:39.000 --> 1:01:42.320 be everything but you. But you what you're gonna say? No, 1:01:42.400 --> 1:01:44.520 I'm saying you if you feel a way about, you 1:01:44.560 --> 1:01:46.880 know something you heard that be honestly, did you feel 1:01:46.920 --> 1:01:49.400 a way about Obama calling you a jackass? You should 1:01:49.400 --> 1:01:53.160 be able to express that. Oh yeah, And then I 1:01:53.280 --> 1:01:58.400 also like had a problem you know that Obama's from Chicago, 1:01:58.520 --> 1:02:02.440 and Chicago's a murder capital the world. You know, I 1:02:02.560 --> 1:02:05.440 had a number of things that made me say, just 1:02:05.640 --> 1:02:10.360 like how there's racist Trump supporters. There's things where I'm like, well, 1:02:10.440 --> 1:02:16.120 maybe this could make a difference. You felt like President 1:02:16.200 --> 1:02:20.080 Obama could have like wave a magic wand and just 1:02:20.960 --> 1:02:26.640 got Chicago right. It's not a magic wand. You know what, 1:02:27.680 --> 1:02:29.720 it's not his fault. Man. You've seen that gray hair 1:02:29.800 --> 1:02:33.080 on that man. You don't know what that man was doing. 1:02:33.240 --> 1:02:35.840 I mean, you can only imagine, but just it took 1:02:36.040 --> 1:02:39.760 everything from everything in that man's spirit and soul and 1:02:39.880 --> 1:02:44.120 not say mentor racism every sentence. This man was a 1:02:44.240 --> 1:02:47.320 Jackie Robinson of politics. You know, he was the first 1:02:47.360 --> 1:02:49.960 person to do it. So, you know, we want to 1:02:49.960 --> 1:02:54.640 be supportive and be aligned also. But this isn't like 1:02:54.840 --> 1:02:59.120 an absolute sound bite. This isn't an obbsotite. This is 1:02:59.160 --> 1:03:03.240 an absolute hen on either one. It's complex. It's this 1:03:03.440 --> 1:03:07.640 is complex because these are voices. I might be president 1:03:07.720 --> 1:03:11.120 one day, you know, so I might be in that 1:03:11.240 --> 1:03:19.080 situation where it's harder for me to explain to the 1:03:19.400 --> 1:03:24.480 masses why something isn't happening that they feel that the 1:03:24.600 --> 1:03:28.240 concept of a president should be able to fix. So two. 1:03:28.320 --> 1:03:32.440 Obama will say that I understand, bro, Like I understand, 1:03:33.200 --> 1:03:35.440 I understand like Jay that coming to the wedding, they 1:03:35.520 --> 1:03:39.000 just had an altercation. Understand, But I have my feelings also, 1:03:39.400 --> 1:03:44.240 or so it's complex. When the black even spoke Obama, well, 1:03:44.320 --> 1:03:46.480 that was the last time we email with your mom. 1:03:46.760 --> 1:03:52.760 We did a fundraiser for midterm or for them in 1:03:52.920 --> 1:04:00.200 San Francisco, and we did a performance for them, and 1:04:01.880 --> 1:04:04.960 right before I went on stage, someone let me know 1:04:05.080 --> 1:04:10.040 that he had left. So you don't even get to 1:04:10.040 --> 1:04:13.160 see him in there. I saw him beforehand for OK. 1:04:13.920 --> 1:04:17.360 Yeah he left right before he performed. Yeah, that made 1:04:17.360 --> 1:04:20.680 you feel away? I felt away, Bro, I just don't 1:04:20.720 --> 1:04:23.600 reach out to the brother man. I'm sure you get 1:04:23.680 --> 1:04:25.200 in touch with him, just to let him know, like 1:04:26.160 --> 1:04:29.400 I feel away. He see this interview or we talked, 1:04:31.360 --> 1:04:33.880 I felt the way, I'll be feeling away, Bro, I'll 1:04:33.880 --> 1:04:38.760 be feeling I'll be feeling I got feelings, Bro, He's 1:04:38.840 --> 1:04:42.840 feeling away, Bro, I'd be feeling I'll be hey, I'd 1:04:42.880 --> 1:04:46.760 be feeling a way because these are people that you've 1:04:46.800 --> 1:04:50.400 assisted and helped them maybe possibly get to the point 1:04:50.440 --> 1:04:52.040 that they at and then when they get there, they 1:04:52.040 --> 1:04:54.880 don't give you that same love and return or supporting 1:04:54.960 --> 1:04:58.600 return when you need it. Nobody owes me anything, but 1:04:58.840 --> 1:05:03.040 I'm still gonna fee or what I feel. And I understand. 1:05:03.080 --> 1:05:07.600 That's the thing where sometimes a conversation can help show 1:05:07.720 --> 1:05:12.840 respect for a situation. You know, look, I couldn't do 1:05:13.000 --> 1:05:15.440 this because of these reasons. You know how it is. 1:05:15.760 --> 1:05:18.440 You see my gray hair. It's crazy out here. I'm 1:05:18.960 --> 1:05:22.560 I'm the leader of the free world. Yeah, sorry for 1:05:22.640 --> 1:05:28.920 calling you jackass. I appreciate your honesty. I appreciate your Gemini, 1:05:29.040 --> 1:05:32.800 your tuparcnus. I appreciate that somebody's gonna do it because 1:05:32.920 --> 1:05:35.560 I'm friends that I can't do it, but I appreciate 1:05:35.680 --> 1:05:38.840 that somebody is still willing to do it. That's why 1:05:38.880 --> 1:05:40.600 I get the interview with you. You know what I'm saying. 1:05:40.760 --> 1:05:42.880 You go off truth as you risk your life or 1:05:42.920 --> 1:05:48.680 your truth. You know the feeling? What was the feeling 1:05:48.760 --> 1:05:50.160 that made you say, you know what, I want to 1:05:50.160 --> 1:05:59.560 go meet with Donald Trump? And what yay are we 1:05:59.640 --> 1:06:02.400 talking about? When that happened? When nothing you ain't with 1:06:02.480 --> 1:06:05.920 no confidence nothing, yea, he was trying to figure things out. 1:06:05.960 --> 1:06:09.720 What ya was that? Yeah, but I'm not gonna back 1:06:09.760 --> 1:06:12.440 down after that. I'm not I'm not gonna let myself 1:06:12.560 --> 1:06:16.040 off easy by saying I met with Trump just because 1:06:16.040 --> 1:06:18.760 I was going through something. I ain't gonna give the 1:06:18.880 --> 1:06:22.200 universe that. Nah. I'm gonna face it, and they're gonna 1:06:22.240 --> 1:06:26.680 face me. This is the ya that wanted to do 1:06:26.920 --> 1:06:30.160 something to change something. And I would meet with them 1:06:30.200 --> 1:06:37.000 today and I would talk about Chicago first, to talk 1:06:37.040 --> 1:06:39.520 about some more things. We could eventually get into a 1:06:39.600 --> 1:06:48.960 lot of you know, elements, but we start there. Do 1:06:49.080 --> 1:06:58.600 you think he cares about black people? What do you think? Now? 1:06:58.600 --> 1:07:00.400 I'm not even gonna hit you with a question. Your question. 1:07:00.440 --> 1:07:02.040 I hate when people do that to me. You can 1:07:02.080 --> 1:07:07.640 have you though, are you that's fire because you used 1:07:07.640 --> 1:07:13.760 to George Bush quote against me get about black people 1:07:14.000 --> 1:07:16.560 because when you met with him, he hadn't even really been, 1:07:16.760 --> 1:07:19.720 you know, acting president. Now we've got a year into 1:07:19.760 --> 1:07:22.800 our belt. Nothing good has comp of Donald Trump being 1:07:22.800 --> 1:07:26.959 in the White House other than people starting to build 1:07:27.000 --> 1:07:30.120 their own like you talked about when you left Nike, 1:07:30.160 --> 1:07:33.720 because Nike wouldn't allow you to build your own. But 1:07:33.800 --> 1:07:36.720 I think Donald Trump is forcing us to build their own. 1:07:37.160 --> 1:07:42.680 It's a difference, Bro, I'm doing my landscape in the 1:07:42.760 --> 1:07:49.640 back of my crib, rich nigh right before we could 1:07:49.680 --> 1:07:53.080 put all the trees and add the beauty. You gotta 1:07:53.160 --> 1:07:58.400 break some things if you keep on getting just the beauty, 1:07:59.320 --> 1:08:02.440 just the perfect thing. Just the Obama walked through the hallway. 1:08:02.480 --> 1:08:04.240 It just see he don't even want his feet don't 1:08:04.240 --> 1:08:07.120 even touch the floor. He's just floating. Give a bird 1:08:07.200 --> 1:08:08.840 the handshake and all that. You know what I mean, 1:08:08.920 --> 1:08:12.200 You get all of these images. This is what it is. 1:08:13.000 --> 1:08:16.839 This is what I wanted to talk about, the idea 1:08:17.800 --> 1:08:22.760 of black perfection. Like a black person can't be imperfect 1:08:23.800 --> 1:08:29.320 in the public eye. That's a form of control. I'm 1:08:29.439 --> 1:08:35.920 here to show you imperfection. The beauty is in the imperfection, 1:08:36.760 --> 1:08:39.519 that this is possible. When I'm sitting there at the 1:08:39.640 --> 1:08:42.479 War Show and I'm like, man, this is the staple 1:08:42.520 --> 1:08:45.519 centers they play ball here. Y'all gonna sit through this 1:08:46.360 --> 1:08:49.840 and put this Let this mind manipulation tell you that 1:08:51.840 --> 1:08:55.479 you know someone you know. I'm ain't gonna put no energy. 1:08:56.040 --> 1:08:58.840 We're keeping a positive energy like that exactly what you're saying. 1:08:58.840 --> 1:09:01.200 That's what they used to saying about rock had to 1:09:01.400 --> 1:09:04.080 be perfect because if he wasn't perfect, and we probably 1:09:04.120 --> 1:09:07.160 would never get another one. You know, that's like the 1:09:07.280 --> 1:09:13.200 Virgil situation, right. You know, I feel like I feel 1:09:13.200 --> 1:09:15.879 like Barrock's brother a little bit. You remember when Barrock's 1:09:15.920 --> 1:09:19.320 brother was talking a little bit before up. You know, 1:09:19.439 --> 1:09:24.080 it's like because it's complex with Louis Vatton. You know, 1:09:25.080 --> 1:09:29.439 as me and Virgil went and infiltrated fashion, which is 1:09:29.479 --> 1:09:34.000 what we did, he started to learn about it. He started, 1:09:34.240 --> 1:09:36.080 I got this thing that I'm gonna tweet later, and 1:09:36.600 --> 1:09:41.080 I rode on my retreat. That was, um. You know, 1:09:41.200 --> 1:09:44.600 you look at this mountaintop and at the top of 1:09:44.640 --> 1:09:50.080 the mountain, it's all these tools for life. So you proceed, 1:09:50.240 --> 1:09:52.880 You said, I need these tools in order to win 1:09:52.960 --> 1:09:56.920 it life. So you proceed to climb up the mountain. 1:09:57.600 --> 1:09:59.760 But you you need tools in order to get up 1:09:59.800 --> 1:10:03.080 the the client you're collecting tools and stuff. By the 1:10:03.160 --> 1:10:05.280 time you get to the top of the mountain, you 1:10:05.400 --> 1:10:08.960 got more tools than was at the top. And that's 1:10:09.000 --> 1:10:13.120 what I figured out about fashion. You know, I talked 1:10:13.160 --> 1:10:18.160 to Virgil for an hour. You know, I realized that 1:10:20.120 --> 1:10:24.280 the concept of luxury and all this is what did 1:10:24.320 --> 1:10:27.320 I love about Gucci? What did I love about Louis Vatan, 1:10:28.840 --> 1:10:33.240 I love tom Ford, I love the artist, and Gucci 1:10:33.360 --> 1:10:37.400 created a platform for the artist. I love Mark Jacobs 1:10:37.800 --> 1:10:44.080 and Louis Vatan created a platform for the artists. It's 1:10:44.080 --> 1:10:48.439 a battle that y'all don't know about. Francois Pino, Bernard Arno. 1:10:50.160 --> 1:10:57.120 Who those people are, Francois Pino, Is Balenciaga and Gucci. Okay, okay, 1:10:57.960 --> 1:11:02.439 Binararno is the richest person in fashion. This is the 1:11:02.720 --> 1:11:06.600 head of the LVMH group. Like I've been to his 1:11:06.720 --> 1:11:10.719 house before. I've shaken hands to do a deal before 1:11:10.840 --> 1:11:13.360 with this man, and he's one of my idols, just 1:11:13.439 --> 1:11:17.040 like jay Z. He's called you know as he made 1:11:17.120 --> 1:11:20.280 culture before culture there was culture because he set the 1:11:20.360 --> 1:11:24.560 platform before there was an internet. To hire John Gagliano 1:11:25.200 --> 1:11:29.479 from Saint Martin's one of Louis Wilson students, hire Mark Jacobs. 1:11:30.040 --> 1:11:34.200 He had the vision. This man is a visionary, you know, 1:11:35.080 --> 1:11:38.000 he is one of my idols. I love Bernard. I 1:11:38.280 --> 1:11:45.800 feel as energy he loves me also. So this is 1:11:45.880 --> 1:11:50.479 how it works. They have two main, main main schools 1:11:51.080 --> 1:11:56.320 that have raised the fashion icons. Parsons in New York 1:11:56.439 --> 1:12:01.240 and Saint Martin's in London, but Nard I know, and 1:12:01.960 --> 1:12:07.240 Pino that's their recruiting, you know camp they go there. 1:12:07.840 --> 1:12:12.599 And now the breakthrough Virgil is now we have someone 1:12:12.880 --> 1:12:15.360 who's come from Donda. It's come from the school to 1:12:15.479 --> 1:12:17.960 Kanye West. And I hear people talk about all he 1:12:18.000 --> 1:12:21.120 didn't go to school. Oh, we went to school, all right. 1:12:23.120 --> 1:12:27.160 We hit to school. Were doing JPEGs in Japan and 1:12:27.439 --> 1:12:31.000 we were we were making photoshops so much and not 1:12:31.160 --> 1:12:34.520 making clothes that we we started just joking about the JPEGs, 1:12:34.600 --> 1:12:37.600 like did you shrink my jpeg? Did you? Did you? 1:12:37.800 --> 1:12:40.320 Did you die my jpeg? And ship we because we 1:12:40.360 --> 1:12:42.160 couldn't figure out how to actually make the clothes, so 1:12:42.240 --> 1:12:45.000 we just do it in photoshop. And Virgil became the 1:12:45.200 --> 1:12:48.200 fastest photoshop artist that I've ever met in my life. 1:12:48.240 --> 1:12:50.160 We'd be sitting in a you know, you know, right 1:12:50.160 --> 1:12:53.240 before we went to Findy, you know, just photoshopping things 1:12:55.120 --> 1:12:57.519 we en't during defending. But we ain't do shit, bro, 1:12:57.920 --> 1:12:59.320 We ain't get to do nothing. Man. I was just 1:12:59.360 --> 1:13:02.599 happy to have a cart. Did it upset you because 1:13:02.600 --> 1:13:05.920 you said you have mixed emotions with Virgil? Got the 1:13:06.040 --> 1:13:08.920 got the job? Did it upset you because that's something 1:13:09.000 --> 1:13:12.040 that you wanted, Like you was verbal about wanting it 1:13:12.160 --> 1:13:14.320 on one of these fashion houses and being able to 1:13:14.439 --> 1:13:17.840 create for Louis Baton, a Gucci. What's the thing we 1:13:17.960 --> 1:13:20.880 said about, you know, the tools at the top of 1:13:20.920 --> 1:13:24.280 the mountain. You know, in the process you gain all 1:13:24.320 --> 1:13:27.080 the tools. It's the journey, and that journey you gain 1:13:27.200 --> 1:13:31.280 everything you need. Now we got factories, we've it's you know, 1:13:31.640 --> 1:13:33.720 there is some we talk about validation, need or not 1:13:33.880 --> 1:13:38.120 need for validation. There is some validation and the fact that, um, 1:13:39.720 --> 1:13:43.280 someone that I came up with is now the head 1:13:43.320 --> 1:13:47.679 of Louis Baton, you know, And I said, you know, honestly, 1:13:48.920 --> 1:13:52.839 you know that's um, that was a slight. I shouldn't 1:13:52.840 --> 1:13:57.599 have worded like that. Virgilous the head of men'swear. Nicholas 1:13:57.680 --> 1:14:01.200 gascar is the head of women's weear, but our no, 1:14:01.360 --> 1:14:04.360 it's the head. So I just want a word it 1:14:04.439 --> 1:14:06.680 straight straight up, because every time we stay head, it's 1:14:06.680 --> 1:14:08.080 like a little bit of a slight to Nicholas, and 1:14:08.880 --> 1:14:12.479 Nicholas is the god, like maybe the best top top 1:14:12.600 --> 1:14:15.120 number one designer in the world. Did Virgil call you 1:14:15.479 --> 1:14:17.720 before he took the job, because because because that was 1:14:17.800 --> 1:14:19.519 something that you wanted. Did he call you, like, yo, 1:14:19.600 --> 1:14:22.200 let me at least consult with yea, asking if there's 1:14:22.200 --> 1:14:24.600 something I should do? Or did you hear about it 1:14:24.640 --> 1:14:26.280 on the internet like the rest of us. No, he 1:14:26.360 --> 1:14:31.519 made the call two minutes before hit dinner. But wow, 1:14:32.240 --> 1:14:34.680 But so you didn't know about the meetings or the 1:14:35.160 --> 1:14:37.479 stuff that was happening beforehand. No. No, when we I 1:14:37.600 --> 1:14:39.519 was in the I was in Berlin with Rocky and 1:14:39.640 --> 1:14:42.880 he told me, He's like, you know, we're looking at 1:14:43.560 --> 1:14:45.920 I'm looking at Bluis Vutan, I'm looking at Versachi like 1:14:46.000 --> 1:14:48.160 he you know, you know, like yeah, I'm wow, you 1:14:48.200 --> 1:14:49.679 know what I mean. So it's all like the fact 1:14:49.720 --> 1:14:51.160 that he had to work with me for ten years. 1:14:51.200 --> 1:14:55.320 It's like my reputation is kind of like Devil Wears 1:14:55.360 --> 1:14:57.760 product or something like that. So people are mindful in 1:14:57.800 --> 1:14:59.840 the way that they give me information too. So he 1:15:00.120 --> 1:15:02.559 he didn't, He didn't. He was like, I'm going to move. 1:15:02.840 --> 1:15:06.000 He's like, Avasachi got this. I got to kind of 1:15:06.040 --> 1:15:08.320 laid it out. Then I showed him the season six campaign. 1:15:08.400 --> 1:15:10.760 I showed him Paris Hilton and this and that. It's 1:15:10.760 --> 1:15:12.840 like we're about to drop this and we was doing 1:15:12.920 --> 1:15:16.000 musical Rocky. But he knew he's going to leave Banton 1:15:16.080 --> 1:15:19.799 at that time because he did System magazine. System Magazine 1:15:19.920 --> 1:15:22.800 is an LVMH magazine, and whenever they're about to prep up, 1:15:23.320 --> 1:15:25.040 you know, a new talent, they put him on System 1:15:25.120 --> 1:15:28.200 Magazine just to kind of put it in the ethos. Yeah, 1:15:28.680 --> 1:15:32.040 you know, this is who we're gonna you know, we're 1:15:32.040 --> 1:15:35.519 gonna put here. Um as far as getting the job 1:15:35.760 --> 1:15:39.000 or taking the job or is it cool? Yeah, bro, 1:15:39.479 --> 1:15:42.360 like it's a cool job to have. They got that platform, 1:15:42.400 --> 1:15:46.240 they got thousands of stores, they got you know resources. 1:15:46.720 --> 1:15:53.400 You know, I've met with ERMZ you know, uh maybe 1:15:53.680 --> 1:15:55.639 a year and a half prior to that, I met 1:15:55.680 --> 1:15:58.280 with banar Or. No. We had to deal, you know, 1:15:58.960 --> 1:16:01.400 on the table that we shook on. I did some 1:16:01.479 --> 1:16:05.160 performances that they museum, and then three months later the 1:16:05.240 --> 1:16:11.400 deal got dropped at the board. And that that set 1:16:11.520 --> 1:16:15.200 me back in apparel a bit when that happened, because 1:16:15.840 --> 1:16:18.880 in order for me to even negotiate the deal, just 1:16:19.080 --> 1:16:22.519 after I did Season one with Adidas, I had to 1:16:22.560 --> 1:16:24.280 go to Adidas and say, Okay, I know we had 1:16:24.360 --> 1:16:27.479 the best fashion show all this, but Louis Vatton is 1:16:27.520 --> 1:16:31.040 gonna back you know Yeasy in the Kanye West company, 1:16:31.800 --> 1:16:35.160 and these guys are masters of clothes, so I need 1:16:35.200 --> 1:16:37.439 you to ademnify the pail. I got to paperwork on it, 1:16:38.200 --> 1:16:42.040 and Adidas say like, all right, okay, cool, We're cool. 1:16:42.080 --> 1:16:44.800 We just do to choose. So if you know this, 1:16:44.960 --> 1:16:49.280 ever since then, there's never been Adidas Yeasy clothing. So 1:16:49.439 --> 1:16:53.040 when I did so, this happened right after the fashion 1:16:53.080 --> 1:16:56.880 show in February. I met Ubanara No in February. We 1:16:57.000 --> 1:17:00.479 shook our hands on the deal and then you know, 1:17:00.600 --> 1:17:03.320 his son called me and they said, you know, it's 1:17:03.360 --> 1:17:04.960 dropped at the board. We don't think it's going to 1:17:05.000 --> 1:17:08.000 be profitable before we run out of money. They only 1:17:08.040 --> 1:17:12.120 wanted to, you know, invest thirty million into it. You 1:17:12.200 --> 1:17:14.200 need to invest at least one hundred million when you're 1:17:14.240 --> 1:17:18.320 making a new brand, only thirty millions. I know that 1:17:18.400 --> 1:17:23.800 was a stunt at the lebrity talking to um, but 1:17:23.920 --> 1:17:26.040 people need to get higher ceilings, and shit, we got 1:17:26.120 --> 1:17:27.920 to talk with the ceiling. This is diddy talk, you 1:17:27.960 --> 1:17:30.240 know what I mean, This is what Calibi talking about. 1:17:30.720 --> 1:17:34.880 This is that you know. So when they pulled on 1:17:34.960 --> 1:17:38.640 the deals. I went into season two, we didn't have 1:17:38.760 --> 1:17:42.000 any production partner in the collection ever went to market 1:17:43.120 --> 1:17:46.479 the first collection when Thedidas had lineups, and there was 1:17:46.560 --> 1:17:49.880 nothing to fall back on on the second collection due 1:17:49.960 --> 1:17:54.040 to that negotiation. So the hurtful part of it was 1:17:54.400 --> 1:17:56.160 that's why okay, that makes sense, that's why you never 1:17:56.200 --> 1:18:02.040 seen no clod. So the hurtful part was they agreed 1:18:02.200 --> 1:18:05.200 to support my clothing and guess who was one of 1:18:05.280 --> 1:18:12.240 my designers, Virgil. Then they didn't do the deal, and 1:18:17.120 --> 1:18:20.479 where didn't have anything to do? Would you say Virgil 1:18:20.479 --> 1:18:23.280 didn't have anything to do technically? Yeah, I mean he 1:18:23.360 --> 1:18:27.600 was doing all flight but um, you know, at that 1:18:27.680 --> 1:18:33.320 time we had our designers for Virgil Don Jerry fear God, 1:18:33.439 --> 1:18:38.320 Demna demla Is ahead of Laiaga. Demna was in the apartment. 1:18:38.400 --> 1:18:44.200 It's me, Virgil Jerry in this apartment one by one 1:18:44.320 --> 1:18:49.800 making season one. I wore this big sweatshirt vet my sweatshirt. 1:18:49.920 --> 1:18:53.720 I remember, you know something people say vetterment right and 1:18:53.880 --> 1:19:00.680 then oh, you know, shortly after it's not because I 1:19:00.720 --> 1:19:04.439 want a sweatshirt either. But shortly after Dimna went to 1:19:04.479 --> 1:19:08.760 Blanciaga and now Virgils you know, how Louis va tom 1:19:09.160 --> 1:19:13.760 So transitions in life. You know, as a as a 1:19:13.920 --> 1:19:19.320 business owner, these things are hurtful, you know when you 1:19:19.439 --> 1:19:22.759 have like you you're working with a talent like Demna, 1:19:22.960 --> 1:19:27.200 You're working with a talent like Virgil, and you know, 1:19:27.520 --> 1:19:31.759 somebody comes through and says, Bam, I'm gonna take Virgil, 1:19:32.400 --> 1:19:35.040 I'm gonna take culture. Explain to me because I don't 1:19:35.040 --> 1:19:38.479 know nothing about fashion. Yeah, so why would Virgil leave 1:19:38.800 --> 1:19:42.040 a brand that seems to be successful off White? It 1:19:42.120 --> 1:19:43.880 seems to be growing. Yeah, you know what I mean? 1:19:43.920 --> 1:19:47.600 Why would you leave that brand to go work for 1:19:47.760 --> 1:19:50.400 a Louis Vuitton, a brand that's already established? Like, why 1:19:50.400 --> 1:19:53.040 wouldn't you pull your resources and try to make off 1:19:53.080 --> 1:19:58.080 White that next high end luxury brand? Because off White 1:19:58.160 --> 1:20:02.320 has five ten stories, Thluiver times two thousand stores. It's 1:20:02.360 --> 1:20:06.400 like taking the job as a president. You know, you 1:20:06.479 --> 1:20:10.080 know Trump, you see Trump's name on all type of buildings, 1:20:10.160 --> 1:20:12.680 but he still took the job as president. You have 1:20:12.960 --> 1:20:16.320 like you know, there's conversations about a creative director role 1:20:16.400 --> 1:20:19.400 for me at Adidas. It's like, okay, I got my brand? 1:20:19.560 --> 1:20:23.880 Is this billion dollars brand's unicorn company's growing. But to 1:20:24.040 --> 1:20:27.719 be able to go and be able to direct Adidas 1:20:27.760 --> 1:20:33.120 at all those stores is a you know, it's another conversation. 1:20:33.200 --> 1:20:35.360 I'd be you know, I'd be open to the conversation 1:20:35.439 --> 1:20:38.000 of taking a job like that. But how did that 1:20:38.040 --> 1:20:40.759 help Chicago though? Because, like you said, you become president, 1:20:41.160 --> 1:20:44.360 so now you over two thousand stores as opposed the 1:20:44.400 --> 1:20:49.720 focusing on this one. Does that help off white girl? Any? Hell? Yeah? 1:20:50.200 --> 1:20:51.840 Christ Off White went up soon as he went to 1:20:51.880 --> 1:20:55.040 Louis Batton. OK. Yeah, not the price with the value 1:20:55.080 --> 1:20:58.320 of it, the validation of it, because Louis Baton, Louis 1:20:58.360 --> 1:21:02.599 Vuttan is the you know, Erman's is really the top 1:21:02.720 --> 1:21:06.599 luxury house. When they call luxury houses like anybody knows 1:21:06.640 --> 1:21:10.200 about luxury anybody Bernard will say Erma is the top 1:21:10.280 --> 1:21:14.599 luxury house. Family owned all that. Why do we only 1:21:14.680 --> 1:21:23.840 need validation from white people, all rich people? Because our 1:21:23.880 --> 1:21:25.800 cape got taken away when he was three years old. 1:21:26.000 --> 1:21:29.439 We're broken, We're in the simulation. We want our BMW, 1:21:30.000 --> 1:21:32.200 we want our house that we want to pay all 1:21:32.240 --> 1:21:33.920 our money for the house. We want to buy this 1:21:34.080 --> 1:21:35.840 dress for our wife. We want to do this. We 1:21:35.840 --> 1:21:37.600 want to get our kids in school, we want. We 1:21:37.840 --> 1:21:41.360 want this, you know, this championship trophy, we want this jewelry, 1:21:41.439 --> 1:21:44.040 We want all these different things. Like people, we not 1:21:44.240 --> 1:21:46.640 monks were in the simulation. We end it. You know 1:21:46.640 --> 1:21:48.920 what I'm saying. I can't talk nobody out of wearing Groucci. 1:21:49.080 --> 1:21:51.080 And you know this is me. I had to come 1:21:51.120 --> 1:21:53.320 out to the other side of the hospital and you know, 1:21:53.439 --> 1:21:56.040 have like a Russell sweatshirt on or something like that. 1:21:56.479 --> 1:21:58.760 It's me, like people be calling me like homeless all 1:21:58.800 --> 1:22:01.200 the time, but like this is my confidence where I 1:22:01.280 --> 1:22:04.880 don't wear branding like that and put words but like 1:22:04.920 --> 1:22:08.680 absomnia too, so I can. But everyone like they have 1:22:08.800 --> 1:22:11.400 to have that confidence. Like when I see when I 1:22:11.520 --> 1:22:14.600 see branding, I see insecurity, you know, I see and 1:22:14.720 --> 1:22:18.720 I see people buying you know, buying security, you know, 1:22:18.880 --> 1:22:24.400 buying get back through a brand, you know, protection of badge. 1:22:25.280 --> 1:22:27.360 Don't don't mess with me in high school, I guess supremot, 1:22:27.400 --> 1:22:31.960 you know, the just to put the agenda for a 1:22:32.040 --> 1:22:37.439 second of easy and of what we're doing out is 1:22:38.680 --> 1:22:41.960 our mission and what we fought for is to be 1:22:42.080 --> 1:22:45.880 able to take the best talents in the world and 1:22:46.560 --> 1:22:49.120 you know land that price point which we haven't done yet. 1:22:49.800 --> 1:22:52.880 But that's what's interesting about this interview. I like you 1:22:53.000 --> 1:22:55.639 get to see the steps. You know, it's like when 1:22:55.640 --> 1:22:58.840 you see early Jeff Bezos, you know he gona be 1:22:58.880 --> 1:23:01.960 Jeff Bezos. Oh, it's just like he's standing from a warehouse. 1:23:02.479 --> 1:23:06.280 But we're not interested in the concept of high fashion. 1:23:06.880 --> 1:23:10.479 You know, the concept of luxury. I'm changing the idea 1:23:10.479 --> 1:23:13.240 of luxury. I think luxury is space. I think luxury 1:23:13.360 --> 1:23:16.920 is time is a luxury. Friends are a luxury. Getting 1:23:16.960 --> 1:23:20.280 your vision out as a luxury. The ability to afford 1:23:20.439 --> 1:23:23.560 something is the luxury. Not to not able to afford it, 1:23:24.400 --> 1:23:26.280 to go in and be like, oh I can afford this, 1:23:26.800 --> 1:23:31.519 that's the luxury. That's the yea. Everybody fell in love 1:23:31.560 --> 1:23:33.800 with them that Yeah, who was so human? They ain't 1:23:33.800 --> 1:23:37.600 who cared about things bigger than brands. You know, like 1:23:37.800 --> 1:23:39.559 you talking about family and now here you talking about friends, 1:23:39.640 --> 1:23:43.000 here you talking about time. Those are something we all have. 1:23:43.240 --> 1:23:45.840 Those are valuables that we all possessed, regardless of you know, 1:23:46.000 --> 1:23:51.120 what our finances are. Yeah, and that's the thing that 1:23:51.600 --> 1:23:54.000 we had to crack the code. The reason why we 1:23:54.080 --> 1:23:57.760 went into fashion wasn't to stay there or be there 1:23:57.880 --> 1:24:02.640 or just do you know who high priced stuff. It 1:24:02.880 --> 1:24:08.960 was actually to take the incredible HSP highly sensitive people 1:24:09.280 --> 1:24:12.720 that usually end up in a fashion house and bring 1:24:12.880 --> 1:24:21.280 them to someplace where they could consistently connect with the public. 1:24:21.880 --> 1:24:26.280 Easy eventually will be, you know, closer to like a 1:24:26.400 --> 1:24:30.160 relief company if there's like a disaster. We're gonna dress 1:24:30.840 --> 1:24:35.000 you know, We're gonna bring clothes and water. You know, 1:24:35.600 --> 1:24:38.920 the same design perspective that can sell a three hundred 1:24:38.920 --> 1:24:43.360 dollars T shirt. We're just gonna give it. And eventually 1:24:43.520 --> 1:24:48.559 that's who will be. You'll look up five ten years 1:24:48.640 --> 1:24:57.000 from now and Easy will be the biggest service provider 1:24:57.400 --> 1:25:01.840 of apparel. And one by one, every year, we're gonna 1:25:01.880 --> 1:25:06.040 take one, two, three, ten people that would have normally 1:25:06.160 --> 1:25:08.679 ended up in the fashion house, would have went to Nike, 1:25:08.880 --> 1:25:12.600 would have went other places, and we're going to Calabasas. 1:25:12.680 --> 1:25:16.240 We're building factories as dope, you know, as dope. You know, 1:25:16.280 --> 1:25:18.760 I'm sitting there listening to you're talking. You know, I 1:25:18.880 --> 1:25:22.559 feel like Kanye from four years ago would have taken 1:25:22.600 --> 1:25:24.840 a job at the fashion house. I don't feel like 1:25:25.120 --> 1:25:27.080 the Kanye I'm talking to right now would take that job. 1:25:27.120 --> 1:25:31.439 At the fashion house. I am in too good of 1:25:31.520 --> 1:25:34.439 a position to take a job where I have to 1:25:34.520 --> 1:25:38.880 be away for my wife and my son and my daughters. 1:25:40.040 --> 1:25:43.720 That just don't make no sense. For what family is 1:25:43.800 --> 1:25:48.200 your most important currency. I got a cousin that the 1:25:48.240 --> 1:25:50.320 Florida I flew out here. I'm trying to get as 1:25:50.439 --> 1:25:52.920 much family as close to me as possible. That's one 1:25:52.920 --> 1:25:55.959 of the reasons why Kim won't end up in a hospital. 1:25:56.800 --> 1:26:05.360 She had a family close. Do you feel like you're 1:26:05.360 --> 1:26:08.680 in a position to change things now with y'all, like 1:26:08.840 --> 1:26:11.640 really change things? I always was, you know, it's my 1:26:11.760 --> 1:26:14.559 place in the universe. I've just been distracted. I've been 1:26:14.640 --> 1:26:17.880 distracted and manipulated, and I allow things that you know, 1:26:18.000 --> 1:26:24.240 my Mama made me to never be manipulated and gangstered 1:26:24.439 --> 1:26:27.040 and pimped and all that type of ship. But somehow, 1:26:27.520 --> 1:26:30.040 stepping into the music industry, it happened, you know, Like, 1:26:30.120 --> 1:26:33.200 the music industry is set up for you to have 1:26:33.520 --> 1:26:37.519 just enough money to afford a car, pay for your kids, 1:26:38.640 --> 1:26:40.760 a house, and be on tour for the rest of 1:26:40.800 --> 1:26:43.640 your life till you die. It ain't set up for 1:26:43.680 --> 1:26:48.080 you to literally go buy an album Island like feel Knight, 1:26:48.600 --> 1:26:50.320 it ain't set up for the artists to win. It's 1:26:50.360 --> 1:26:54.320 like boxing. You know, more, more people end up retarded 1:26:54.360 --> 1:26:57.880 than rich. Do you feel like when you was in 1:26:57.960 --> 1:27:04.800 debt did contribute to your lack of us Nah? I'm 1:27:04.840 --> 1:27:06.720 glad that you said that because that lets me. That 1:27:06.800 --> 1:27:08.439 makes me think, like the answer, money is what made 1:27:08.479 --> 1:27:12.120 him feel confident. Nah. That's why I tweeted that because 1:27:12.120 --> 1:27:14.599 I knew I had to power. That's why I tweeted 1:27:14.720 --> 1:27:18.760 Mark Duckerberg and I tweeted the debt. The reason I 1:27:18.800 --> 1:27:23.240 tweeted to Mark Zuckerberg's because he wanted to meet with me, 1:27:23.640 --> 1:27:25.160 and my hung out with him a few times and 1:27:25.240 --> 1:27:28.000 I got respect for him. And but when I was 1:27:28.040 --> 1:27:35.400 talking about my ideas, there was really like not a 1:27:35.479 --> 1:27:37.280 lot of follow up to that. And I always see 1:27:37.400 --> 1:27:41.360 these um these guys they'll go and support a guy 1:27:41.439 --> 1:27:46.280 that's got like one idea that they can capitalize off of. 1:27:46.680 --> 1:27:49.680 And then you get a guy that's proven and like 1:27:50.200 --> 1:27:53.360 done the impossible in every single field he's ever put 1:27:53.439 --> 1:27:56.519 his mind to. And I'm like, yo, help me get 1:27:56.560 --> 1:27:59.840 a valuation right for my company, and it would be 1:28:00.040 --> 1:28:02.040 people who know how to do that, and I'm hanging 1:28:02.120 --> 1:28:05.640 with them, right and they don't show me how to 1:28:05.720 --> 1:28:10.080 do that, and it's like, why are you keeping me misinformed? 1:28:11.200 --> 1:28:15.680 I felt like learning the valuation of just even the 1:28:15.760 --> 1:28:19.400 company and what I built was like a slave getting 1:28:19.439 --> 1:28:22.439 a social Security number. It's like, I got my rights. 1:28:23.160 --> 1:28:26.480 I know I'm worth this much. And everyone in Hollywood 1:28:26.840 --> 1:28:30.600 knows exactly who Yay is. Every agent, anybody they know 1:28:30.840 --> 1:28:36.400 Yay is Jay in the hospital, on stage, rant, in debt, 1:28:36.720 --> 1:28:40.960 or with a billion dollar company. Like the spirit is 1:28:41.040 --> 1:28:44.320 here and the only thing that can hold me back 1:28:45.320 --> 1:28:50.519 is a lack of information. But information is harder define, 1:28:50.560 --> 1:28:53.680 and you think it's secret codes. Like even when jay 1:28:53.760 --> 1:28:58.280 Z gave a little bit of codes on four there's 1:28:58.320 --> 1:29:01.000 people I know that tweeted or we're texting each other 1:29:01.120 --> 1:29:04.280 like he's giving colds away, he's giving information. But it's like, yo, 1:29:04.400 --> 1:29:07.920 this is open source. Yeah. I like. I like because 1:29:08.000 --> 1:29:12.559 because Elon Musk could be like, yo, here's all my plans, 1:29:12.680 --> 1:29:14.080 but he's the only one that could pull it off. 1:29:14.439 --> 1:29:16.280 I just you know, we work hard on that color 1:29:16.360 --> 1:29:18.599 pale right now. I just tweeted it today, like yo, 1:29:19.200 --> 1:29:21.439 because it's fire. You know what I'm saying? I'm sure 1:29:21.479 --> 1:29:23.479 there's gonna be some people that copy it one by one. 1:29:24.280 --> 1:29:26.840 That's great the ideas out there. You're hanging out with 1:29:26.920 --> 1:29:29.519 people and you're saying, I want to do all these things, 1:29:29.600 --> 1:29:32.920 and it's just not taking you seriously and it keeps 1:29:32.960 --> 1:29:38.880 you in a position to be you know, managed in 1:29:38.960 --> 1:29:42.240 a way. So my my last and final manager of 1:29:42.280 --> 1:29:47.720 Scooter Braun right, I've had every manager ge Robertson, Jay 1:29:47.800 --> 1:29:52.519 Brown is easy. You just parted. What was that about? 1:29:55.920 --> 1:30:01.679 I just can't be managed? But was dope about Scooter though, 1:30:01.960 --> 1:30:05.479 at the end of the day, for you really gotta 1:30:05.560 --> 1:30:08.840 give him his props. Is one thing is he has 1:30:10.720 --> 1:30:15.040 his parents, adopted a black child. His brother's black. So 1:30:15.320 --> 1:30:21.360 this is a Jewish guy who understands business, understands all this, 1:30:21.760 --> 1:30:25.080 but also understands how to communicate, you know, on a 1:30:25.240 --> 1:30:29.000 personal level or a black person, like on a brother level. 1:30:29.400 --> 1:30:31.160 So me and Scooter would just getting on the phone 1:30:31.240 --> 1:30:33.960 and we talked to me for hours, and that information 1:30:34.479 --> 1:30:39.000 meant everything. He was mine, let me third person. He 1:30:39.120 --> 1:30:42.360 was Kanye West, Gateway drug to business. Because before that 1:30:42.479 --> 1:30:44.320 it was always like you were artists, you were a rapper. 1:30:44.640 --> 1:30:46.720 We love you for the music. Hey, don't don't think 1:30:46.720 --> 1:30:49.040 about nothing, don't think about business, blah blah blah blah blah. 1:30:49.240 --> 1:30:51.120 And I would just you know the thing we was 1:30:51.160 --> 1:30:53.040 talking about before when we talk about Obama and Trump 1:30:53.080 --> 1:30:55.640 in then other room we talk about trust me like that, 1:30:55.640 --> 1:30:58.280 I would just trust trust the manager, Let them do everything, 1:30:58.320 --> 1:31:01.080 them handle everything, let them handle you know, let them 1:31:01.200 --> 1:31:03.040 hire your business manager or this and that, and you 1:31:03.120 --> 1:31:05.600 get a manager or manager, home manager, and then it 1:31:05.680 --> 1:31:08.639 becomes one big racket where it's like the tour guy 1:31:08.840 --> 1:31:11.200 is talking to the label guy is talking to the manager, 1:31:11.320 --> 1:31:12.880 is talking to the guy that sold you the house, 1:31:13.120 --> 1:31:15.799 and talk to you baba. And then you're just trapped. 1:31:17.080 --> 1:31:19.519 You don't you're not in control of your life anymore. 1:31:19.800 --> 1:31:23.640 And at that point you could be easily manipulated. You know, 1:31:25.720 --> 1:31:28.400 a whole album with Paul McCartney can end up becoming 1:31:28.439 --> 1:31:35.040 a single for Rihanna because you know, you're trapped in 1:31:35.160 --> 1:31:40.639 this box of the idea of your perception music industry 1:31:40.760 --> 1:31:42.479 this at that. So the funny thing I was I 1:31:42.520 --> 1:31:44.519 knew I wanted to say in this situation is like 1:31:45.120 --> 1:31:50.080 Scooter Braun is Kanye West, Kanye West gateway drug to 1:31:50.200 --> 1:31:54.320 business and maybe the death of the music industry as 1:31:54.360 --> 1:31:59.720 we know it. Really, Yeah, why because artists are businesses. 1:32:00.920 --> 1:32:05.320 We're not just artists. Artists shouldn't have managers, Artists should 1:32:05.320 --> 1:32:10.200 have CEOs. That's how I feel. I didn't put no 1:32:10.320 --> 1:32:13.240 thought on that. You know, it's like you know says 1:32:13.240 --> 1:32:14.479 a lot of people is going to have a problem 1:32:14.560 --> 1:32:17.000 with that statement. I'm gonna say how I feel. So 1:32:17.160 --> 1:32:23.719 that means, Okay, how many kids are going to business 1:32:23.760 --> 1:32:27.760 school right now? Warden Harvard. You think they like, let's sake, 1:32:27.880 --> 1:32:31.040 somebody Travis Scott, right, they probably listened to his music. 1:32:31.120 --> 1:32:35.040 Oozy somebody like that? Right? How many Uzi's and Travis 1:32:35.120 --> 1:32:40.240 Scott's are there? And how many business people are there? Right, 1:32:40.240 --> 1:32:44.160 I'm gonna think it's probably less Travis Scotts and Oozies 1:32:44.200 --> 1:32:46.880 than there are business people. So when you think of 1:32:46.960 --> 1:32:53.200 Travis Scott would deserve the same amount of employees as 1:32:53.600 --> 1:32:57.040 Dropbox in his first year. So that's some day he 1:32:57.120 --> 1:33:00.800 can ipo for ten billion, like my friend Drew just 1:33:01.000 --> 1:33:05.360 did with Dropbox, but with artistry an artist. What's the 1:33:05.439 --> 1:33:08.519 point where you ipl everyone want to talk to me 1:33:08.840 --> 1:33:13.800 about getting out? I'm out this to get out yeah, 1:33:15.320 --> 1:33:17.680 we didn't. That was a three sixty dealt The three 1:33:17.760 --> 1:33:20.400 sixty deal kind of like the label saying we recognize 1:33:20.520 --> 1:33:22.559 artists as a business. Now now we want a piece 1:33:22.600 --> 1:33:25.880 of all of their business. Three sixty deal make me 1:33:25.960 --> 1:33:29.639 think that Harriet Tubman on a twenty dollars bill. It's 1:33:29.640 --> 1:33:39.200 still some old slave ship. So all this is yours? Yeah, yes, sir, 1:33:39.760 --> 1:33:42.719 And what you're gonna do with it? I'm gonna build 1:33:43.520 --> 1:33:47.560 five properties, So it's my first community. I'm getting into development. 1:33:48.680 --> 1:33:50.479 I'm super Anybody has ever been to any of my 1:33:50.520 --> 1:33:54.640 cribs knows I'm super into developing homes. It's just the 1:33:54.760 --> 1:33:59.519 next frontier for me to develop. So that's why you 1:33:59.600 --> 1:34:03.000 design it boots and ships so you can do the hiking. 1:34:03.320 --> 1:34:05.640 Yeah see you got you got the Nikes. Shit have 1:34:05.720 --> 1:34:08.960 the easy boots and Nike's just trashed for hiking. But listen, 1:34:09.000 --> 1:34:11.439 it's crazy though, because you got this whole plan, three 1:34:11.520 --> 1:34:13.639 hundred acres of land, you want to build a community 1:34:13.680 --> 1:34:16.200 on it. Why does the Kanye West don't need nobody? 1:34:16.479 --> 1:34:17.880 So that goes back to what we were talking about 1:34:17.920 --> 1:34:20.000 with with Trump. You don't need to meet with Trump. 1:34:20.080 --> 1:34:23.360 You you yay, you didn't had a state of your 1:34:23.360 --> 1:34:30.040 own ship. Yeah, I feel that, you know. But I 1:34:30.200 --> 1:34:37.840 love real change. I love, you know, challenging the norm. 1:34:38.439 --> 1:34:40.680 I love. I love people who don't love them. I 1:34:40.800 --> 1:34:43.080 love the fact that they're speaking up and everybody's just 1:34:43.160 --> 1:34:47.000 giving their opinions, everybody's expressing themselves. I love. I love 1:34:47.120 --> 1:34:48.760 that I've been waiting. I's like I've been waiting for 1:34:48.840 --> 1:34:50.840 this moment in time. It's just like a yay moment 1:34:50.880 --> 1:34:52.920 in time and stuff when people are you know, my 1:34:53.080 --> 1:34:56.799 dad is an activist, and you know, my my mom's activists, 1:34:56.800 --> 1:34:59.920 who's in marches and stuff. I feel like that energy 1:35:00.320 --> 1:35:04.360 all coming to a head. You know. Now, I refused 1:35:04.400 --> 1:35:11.479 to believe that your mother would love Donald Trump. Hmm, 1:35:14.080 --> 1:35:18.559 I got have difference opinion from my mom. True. True, 1:35:18.920 --> 1:35:20.439 But what about when you see like, because you know, 1:35:20.680 --> 1:35:22.479 it's people that's watching this right now and they're like, yo, 1:35:22.600 --> 1:35:25.640 you know Donald Trump is getting our family deported, and 1:35:26.080 --> 1:35:28.640 you know, like especially you right now, you've got this 1:35:28.720 --> 1:35:31.439 whole economic empowerment thing going on, but you got a 1:35:31.479 --> 1:35:34.599 guy like him who's clearly trying to marginalize and oppress 1:35:34.640 --> 1:35:36.200 people people that look like you. You don't want to 1:35:36.240 --> 1:35:39.599 see people like you come up. Can you still love 1:35:39.640 --> 1:35:57.519 a person like that? Hm? I don't. I don't have 1:35:57.680 --> 1:35:59.720 all the answers that a celebrity is supposed to have, 1:36:00.479 --> 1:36:10.960 but I could tell you that when he was running, 1:36:11.000 --> 1:36:15.080 it's like I felt something. It's like the fact that 1:36:15.200 --> 1:36:18.600 he won, it's like it proved something. It proved that 1:36:18.720 --> 1:36:23.800 anything is possible in America, that Donald Trump could be 1:36:23.880 --> 1:36:26.519 president of America. I'm not talking about, you know, what 1:36:26.640 --> 1:36:29.080 he's done since he's been in office, but the fact 1:36:29.120 --> 1:36:30.720 that he was able to do it. Like, remember I 1:36:30.760 --> 1:36:32.479 said I was going to run for president. I had 1:36:32.520 --> 1:36:34.400 people that was close to me, friends of mine, like 1:36:34.640 --> 1:36:38.760 making jokes, making memes, talking shit, And now it's like, oh, 1:36:38.920 --> 1:36:42.840 that was proven that that could have happened. Yeah, So 1:36:43.479 --> 1:36:45.520 I get what you're saying. I felt the non conventional, 1:36:45.600 --> 1:36:47.200 you know what I mean, even from what we're doing 1:36:47.240 --> 1:36:50.040 in fashion, to me being a kid with the pink polos, 1:36:50.080 --> 1:36:53.200 to me being outspoken, to me being ostracized because the 1:36:53.280 --> 1:36:56.040 de Tailor Swift thing or the George Bush thing, or 1:36:56.640 --> 1:37:00.320 you know who I'm dating, who I'm marrying, and I'm 1:37:00.320 --> 1:37:04.120 talking about like all of this is like an outsider thing. 1:37:04.720 --> 1:37:08.160 You know. So when I see an outsider infiltrate, I 1:37:08.320 --> 1:37:12.080 connect with that. So maybe that's what you like the idea, Yeah, 1:37:12.280 --> 1:37:15.840 not necessarily the idea of Donald Trump with the idea 1:37:15.840 --> 1:37:19.720 of an outside of infiltrating. Yeah, I like that. It 1:37:19.840 --> 1:37:23.640 showed you that anything it's possible, shows you that it 1:37:23.760 --> 1:37:29.800 doesn't even like Virgil working at Louis Vuitton, Trump being 1:37:29.880 --> 1:37:34.040 in office, it's a time for the unconventional. I'm very 1:37:34.280 --> 1:37:37.720 I'm not a traditional thinker. I'm a nonconformist, you know. 1:37:37.800 --> 1:37:41.400 So that relates to the nonconformist part of me now, 1:37:41.600 --> 1:37:44.320 you know. But I'm also I'm a producer. I like 1:37:44.400 --> 1:37:46.600 to segue things. I like to take otis chop it 1:37:46.720 --> 1:37:48.559 up through it like this. So what's the a version. 1:37:48.640 --> 1:37:52.160 The a version of be the Trump campaign and maybe 1:37:52.240 --> 1:37:56.479 the Bernie Sanders principles. That would be my mix and stuff. 1:37:56.720 --> 1:38:01.080 But I think both had you know, you know, I 1:38:01.280 --> 1:38:05.360 needed you know, I hit the glass ceiling. Have you 1:38:05.439 --> 1:38:07.920 ever seen a bird flying to a window. They don't 1:38:07.960 --> 1:38:11.120 know it's glass. That was me when I hit that hospital. 1:38:11.240 --> 1:38:13.560 That was a bird flying into the window. And you 1:38:13.640 --> 1:38:15.920 know I could have, you know, not made it out 1:38:15.960 --> 1:38:18.640 of it. But I survived and ship. But it's um 1:38:20.760 --> 1:38:24.960 are you scared of that happening again? You haven't a 1:38:25.080 --> 1:38:35.599 breakdown or breakthrough? Nah? Nah, I'm happy it happened. I'm 1:38:35.640 --> 1:38:39.040 happy to see have gone to the other side and back. 1:38:40.040 --> 1:38:41.800 You know, there's some things when it happened. I do 1:38:41.920 --> 1:38:44.479 want to I want to speak on I want to 1:38:44.520 --> 1:38:47.840 point out the moment when you're in the hospital bed 1:38:48.200 --> 1:38:50.800 and you're next to your friend and you tell them 1:38:51.200 --> 1:38:53.720 don't let this person leave my side, and they put 1:38:53.800 --> 1:38:58.760 you inside of an elevator and take all your friends 1:38:58.800 --> 1:39:02.840 away from you. That was the scariest moment of my life. 1:39:03.720 --> 1:39:05.760 Was gonna drug you or kill you. I was gonna 1:39:05.760 --> 1:39:09.160 get killed. And you know, my wife wasn't in town. 1:39:09.240 --> 1:39:12.320 So I told my boy Don and my boy's ky like, 1:39:12.400 --> 1:39:15.560 don't leave my side until my wife gets here. And 1:39:15.640 --> 1:39:20.639 they have this moment where they're forced to leave your side. 1:39:21.280 --> 1:39:23.519 That's something that has to change, you know. It's like 1:39:23.600 --> 1:39:27.240 if a pregnant woman is, you know, delivering a baby, 1:39:28.280 --> 1:39:32.479 guarantee whoever the people, her sisters, the dad, they get 1:39:32.520 --> 1:39:35.080 to stay next to them till the baby is delivered. 1:39:35.160 --> 1:39:37.880 Not leave my wife in that situation. Yeah, HSP you 1:39:38.000 --> 1:39:40.640 you are paranoid to everything. You don't believe nothing. You 1:39:40.760 --> 1:39:44.440 just seeing through all of the simulation. Everybody's phony, everybody's 1:39:44.439 --> 1:39:47.759 an actor, all the ship and then they make your friends, 1:39:47.800 --> 1:39:50.120 the only people you believe in, leave your side. I 1:39:50.240 --> 1:39:55.760 can't express to you like how traumatizing that moment is. 1:39:56.479 --> 1:40:00.360 And then you waked up. Drugg the fuck out? Did they? 1:40:00.479 --> 1:40:03.679 So they put you on medication? Yeah? Are you still 1:40:03.720 --> 1:40:06.840 on any now? Almost? Definitely what they got you on. 1:40:07.120 --> 1:40:11.240 I ain't gonna say does the medication help? You don't? 1:40:11.280 --> 1:40:12.680 I mean, you don't want to tell us what it is, 1:40:12.720 --> 1:40:26.439 but does it help? Um? It's an imperfect solution. You 1:40:26.520 --> 1:40:29.400 can just calm me down, But there's a lot of 1:40:29.479 --> 1:40:32.360 ways to calm down, do we I don't want calm ye? Yeah? 1:40:32.560 --> 1:40:37.000 Well you the calm ya for v Y. You know, 1:40:37.600 --> 1:40:38.920 don't you feel like that ticked a little bit of 1:40:38.960 --> 1:40:43.960 your superpower away? Though? All this power and being controlled 1:40:44.040 --> 1:40:47.519 and calm you know, X men really understanding how to 1:40:47.640 --> 1:40:53.320 really use his uh power or Superman? That's me. This 1:40:53.560 --> 1:40:55.320 is like, what's the Kryptonite has gone? I got the 1:40:55.360 --> 1:41:01.479 confidence everything is possible. Building Acres Wraps Stadium tours, designs, 1:41:02.680 --> 1:41:08.160 companies ideas to ignite the next generations, like everything is possible, 1:41:08.240 --> 1:41:10.519 you know, And I'm just a vessel and that's my 1:41:10.680 --> 1:41:14.519 job in the universe as a servant to the world. 1:41:14.840 --> 1:41:17.400 I have to be me. I'm not as good as 1:41:17.439 --> 1:41:22.000 a servant if I'm not. Yay you are ya though 1:41:22.360 --> 1:41:26.280 almost definitely you know you are yea. And I mean 1:41:26.439 --> 1:41:30.200 like that's why I kept asking, like, well, first, let's 1:41:30.200 --> 1:41:33.200 talking about something that I know. It's therapeutic for your music. Yeah, 1:41:34.240 --> 1:41:36.799 I'm looking at all of this, this wild outdoors, this wilderness. 1:41:36.840 --> 1:41:39.960 Is that why you went to Waywomen? Yeah, you know 1:41:40.320 --> 1:41:43.080 for what I'm doing And I played you some of 1:41:43.120 --> 1:41:46.160 the music and you see where I'm going. Yeah, I 1:41:46.280 --> 1:41:49.640 want to create music that's therapeutic, you know, like I 1:41:49.800 --> 1:41:53.360 feel real friends, was in the in the territory of 1:41:55.040 --> 1:42:00.160 what we're creating. Do you feel like the lifestyle out 1:42:00.200 --> 1:42:03.280 of your your your wife, the mother in law, like 1:42:03.360 --> 1:42:05.200 that whole family. Do you think that plays a role 1:42:05.920 --> 1:42:08.160 and how you were feeling like did it get to 1:42:08.200 --> 1:42:11.120 be too much because you're already a superstar, but then 1:42:11.160 --> 1:42:13.640 you take that superstar element and add it and it 1:42:13.800 --> 1:42:17.000 is just like when do you have privacy. It seemed 1:42:17.000 --> 1:42:22.559 like paparazzi is always around. Yeah, paparazzi. It can't stress 1:42:22.600 --> 1:42:26.920 you out, But it's all in the inner piece that 1:42:27.000 --> 1:42:29.920 you can find. You said you don't trust people. Do 1:42:30.040 --> 1:42:34.320 you trust? Do you trust your in laws? Because it 1:42:34.400 --> 1:42:36.080 seem you know, we look at the world and it 1:42:36.120 --> 1:42:38.120 seems like everything is the storyline. Do you trust that 1:42:38.200 --> 1:42:41.240 they won't turn your life and what you're going through 1:42:41.439 --> 1:42:51.160 to a storyline? Ah, and you know, of course I'm 1:42:51.200 --> 1:42:54.360 gonna give you a slick answer on that because you 1:42:54.439 --> 1:43:03.439 gotta go home, but your fast. But uh like, right now, 1:43:03.880 --> 1:43:07.080 we're writing part of the story just by even doing 1:43:07.160 --> 1:43:10.000 this and speaking. I like the way that my wife 1:43:10.080 --> 1:43:14.000 communicates it. Documents things, you know, as an artist, you know, 1:43:14.040 --> 1:43:17.960 I think it's good to document ourselves, document are now 1:43:20.120 --> 1:43:22.479 see if we could recognize ourselves again in a different light, 1:43:23.560 --> 1:43:27.920 in a different life, what would um? What would what 1:43:27.960 --> 1:43:31.639 would college drop out? Kanye? He was looking at pictures 1:43:31.680 --> 1:43:52.160 of Kanye, Now what would he say? I think he'd 1:43:52.240 --> 1:43:57.519 be happy, satisfied, and he would believe it. You know 1:43:57.520 --> 1:43:59.920 how people saying I wouldn't believe it. I always believed. 1:44:00.760 --> 1:44:03.280 I always know what it is. You know this documentation 1:44:03.400 --> 1:44:05.479 right now, this is just the age forty. This is 1:44:05.479 --> 1:44:08.360 a version of a college drop out. Yeah, we're standing 1:44:08.439 --> 1:44:15.280 on my first property. Yeah, so I'm gonna be one 1:44:15.280 --> 1:44:17.519 of the biggest real estate developers of all time. Like 1:44:17.640 --> 1:44:21.280 some what Howard Hughes was to aircraft and what Henry 1:44:21.320 --> 1:44:27.200 Ford was to cars, and just the relationships that I 1:44:27.280 --> 1:44:31.560 have with architects, my understanding of like space and sacred proportions. 1:44:32.360 --> 1:44:34.920 Just this vibe, this new vibe, this new energy. Like 1:44:35.000 --> 1:44:37.519 I'm tired of the mc mansion's all the Spanish roof 1:44:37.600 --> 1:44:40.599 homes and stuff like that, like that shit whack bro, 1:44:40.880 --> 1:44:44.479 Like everybody house whack. It's trash bro. I don't go 1:44:44.600 --> 1:44:48.360 to except for lessons like a Howard back In or something. 1:44:48.479 --> 1:44:51.760 It's like the one of the few architects that I 1:44:51.880 --> 1:44:54.320 liked their homes. I was gonna ask you, what's next, 1:44:54.520 --> 1:44:58.479 because yeah, he's always predicted what he was going to be. 1:44:58.800 --> 1:45:01.360 So that's what that's that's the goal. Yeah, We're going 1:45:01.439 --> 1:45:02.280 to develop cities.