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Speaker 1: where are you? I think I'm in a stronger place

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Speaker 1: I like to say the breakthrough. What do you? What

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Speaker 1: Klik got this song, Drake got this song on race

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Speaker 1: I've ever had. I don't have a sound bite for everything.

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Speaker 1: That's fine, you know, Like you said, sometimes a language

427
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 1: is an overrated formal communication, right, Like words don't always

428
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: do it? Do it? Justice? I saw something you tweeted

429
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 1: and it was to the effective us. Some things can't

430
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: be explained. Some things just need to be experienced. What's

431
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,239
Speaker 1: what's that? Expand on that a little bit. When you

432
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,239
Speaker 1: want to express yourself, A lot of times words can

433
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: get in the way justice innate feeling that we have.

434
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 1: You know, when someone's talking to you, trying to talk

435
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 1: you into something or something like that, and you're just like, look,

436
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: this just don't feel right. You know. Oftentimes people playing

437
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: ball doing karate whatever it is they and people that

438
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: they don't mention karate. Since the eighties, karate used to

439
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: be the ship, you know, but you see all the

440
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 1: karate films like, but it always be you know, get

441
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 1: out of your head, go from your gut, go from

442
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: your cheat, do what you feel and That's what I'm

443
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: big on. Stop strategizing so much, Stop setting so many plays,

444
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: Stop doing things only based in fear, like the universe

445
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: will assist you when you are acting in love. I

446
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: tweeted this thing where I said, when you're acting in love,

447
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: you're like a drop of water and you have the

448
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: ocean as your army. When you act in fear, it's

449
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: just you and your money. Now, you could take your

450
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: money and put it in bitcoin, and put a credit form,

451
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: put in cash, or all your cash, and then and

452
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 1: then stand up to the ocean, and who's gonna win.

453
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: I'm understanding. I think your mind stayed a little bit

454
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: more like when you was on stage and you'd be

455
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: going into those rants, it was out of fear. You're

456
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: afraid at that time. I think those rants, I think

457
00:27:55,520 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: to do the rants though we're brave. I think we're

458
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: in a place now where bravery is more important than perfection,

459
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: Feeling is more important than thought. People get so they

460
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: put so much thought into it, what's going to happen?

461
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: So I actually think that the rents came from a

462
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 1: place a bravery and I had enough of the politics,

463
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 1: you know, And that's the world that we're in right now,

464
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 1: like people are speaking their truth. You know, people are

465
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: expressing themselves. And you know, I've been waiting for this.

466
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: I've been waiting for this moment because it's always been

467
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: such a you know, just a politically rand you know,

468
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: society and mentality that everyone's been in and stuff like

469
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: don't do that, you need to do this, you need

470
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: to you don't need to hang out with them, you

471
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: need to hang out with them, you know, blah blah

472
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: all this and like trying to please people and all

473
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: that stuff. And I don't feel like right now like

474
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: people are trying to please people the same way they're

475
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: trying to please themselves. That could be a bad thing too, though,

476
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: right because I feel like we're all public service at

477
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: the end of the day, we're here to serve the

478
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: needs of the public. We're all greater than ourselves. Well,

479
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: we definitely got to touch you on the word bad

480
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: and the idea of good and bad things just are

481
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: it depends on what side you are if something is

482
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: good or bad. It depends on what your agenda is.

483
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: But of course we can speak in terms of bad.

484
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: You know, we we haven't got our language hasn't evolved

485
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: to what either of us are feeling at this point.

486
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: So both of us could be thinking in two thousand

487
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: and thirty, but we still got to communicate in two

488
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: and eighteen because that's when this is dropping. So we

489
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: because you always seem to play play in the future. Yeah,

490
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: I guess we don't. I guess we could be in

491
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: the future. Yeah, people got to catch up. Yeah, you

492
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: talked about the politics, you know, you said on stage.

493
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: I was saying that with the word bad bad, because

494
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: people are people. People are so raised on the idea

495
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: of home team, away team, positive, negative, good, bad, Like

496
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: I think negative gets too much of a negative rap.

497
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: You know, it's life is a balance. Yeah, that's when

498
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: we were talking earlier. I was liking, I don't believe

499
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: in any good or bad experiences. I feel like everything's

500
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: just a part of the process of life. Yeah. You know,

501
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: when you think about bad experiences that have happened to you,

502
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: do you still look at them as just bad or

503
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: did you learn something from them? There's no bad and

504
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: there's no enemies, even people want to kill you or

505
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: not your enemy. That's something I was going to tweet,

506
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: and I was like, I feel this, but I don't

507
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: know if people would take it in a certain way.

508
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: Got a lot of ideas that afford and you know,

509
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna keep building like a mountain, the mountain

510
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: of like a snowball snowball ideas, and just keep getting

511
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: more and more more more expressive as I go. That's

512
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: what the book is going. But you know, I don't

513
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: even know if it's a book. It's like stream. It's

514
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: all about streams. Everything is stream. That's why that's an

515
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: amazing word. That's an amazing modern and futuristic word. Streams,

516
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: streams of conscious and streaming music. Everything is just a stream.

517
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: It relates to water. You know, it's like exactly you

518
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: know where we will be. We will be ultra like

519
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: being an ultra like stream. We will be all just

520
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: a stream. I feel like Kanye West the brand, well,

521
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: Kanye West, the man is rebelling against Kanye West the brand.

522
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: You know, my email is not at Kanye West. You

523
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: will have retired from whatever that meant to be Kanye West.

524
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: So I think the spirit, my spirit, my attitude is

525
00:31:55,560 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: a representation of fighting for your own truthful live. Like

526
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: if I died tomorrow, stuff it would live past me.

527
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: The Yeah, it's like a pock thing and stuff. That's

528
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: your name though, just like Tupac, that was his name,

529
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: Like your mother gave you the name Kanye West there

530
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: and it means the only one. You know. One of

531
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: the incredible things I thought about when I went to

532
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: the hospital is on Kendrick's album, there is the skit,

533
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: uh what Tupackets talk about the Black man at age thirty? Right,

534
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I made it to thirty nine. I

535
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: made it to thirty nine with my opinion alive, with

536
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: my opinion. I'm forty and I still have my opinion.

537
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: You know. One of the things that was incredible when I,

538
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: you know, got out of the hospital was I had

539
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: lost my confidence. Kanye was with no confidence. I was

540
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: like Michael Jordan new jumping Yeah, like and you could

541
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: see it, that's what I'm saying, sunken place and all

542
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: this stuff. You know, It's like, uh and wow. I

543
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: never had the empathy for people who lacked confidence. I

544
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: had so much of it. I didn't know what it

545
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: was like to be without it. Do you mean zero

546
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: confidence or you just was less confident than usual. It

547
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: just wasn't Black Panther Superman level confidence. It was you know,

548
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: it was placed into the simulation, and shit, I was

549
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: like completely could be like molded and controlled and everything.

550
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: If that was the case, if I was, you know,

551
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: I wouldn't I wouldn't speak up, you know, I you

552
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: know I'm gonna speak up and stuff like where I

553
00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: was and I got the hospital. It's even when I

554
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: did the next fashion show, you know it, it got

555
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: all these good reviews. Yeah, because I was less confident

556
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: because it's like they're there, boy, that's exactly what we wanted.

557
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, So you were you traded authenticity for approval.

558
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: I didn't trade it. I just didn't have it. I

559
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: didn't have me. I didn't have my confidence, so that

560
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: superpower could never Like if I was like homeless, any situation,

561
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: you could take everything you could black mirror me. You

562
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: can put shit on the media and say yay, fuck

563
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: the goat, that all this type of ship, and you

564
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: will not take my confidence away. What took Kanye's confidence?

565
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: That's like that's literally like somebody bringing Krypton make the Superman.

566
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: That's why I taking the herb from Black Panther. Like,

567
00:34:55,040 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: what took your confidence? I don't know exactly what it was.

568
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 1: It had something to do. I mean maybe a doctor

569
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: could give an explanation, but it had to do or

570
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 1: something with coming through the breakthrough. I like to call

571
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: it the breakthrough and have the breakdown coming through the

572
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: breakthrough that you know. But also I think it was

573
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: incredible because it was a forced amount. It was forced

574
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: humility because I positive or negative, I like a humility.

575
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: It just is what it is. But previously I would

576
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: have looked at humility is more of a negative thing,

577
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,439
Speaker 1: and even if you read certain definitions, it's it's kind

578
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 1: of got a negative vibe. But as you said before,

579
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: no positive or negative. But also that humility gave me

580
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: time to to grow and everyone just backed off. A

581
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: lot of people depend on me. They asked for a

582
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: lot of things that like Superman do this for me.

583
00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: And you know, one of the things that the irony

584
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: because people always talk about the Sunken Place and you

585
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 1: think the meme. They got the meme of you and

586
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: you're you're the main character from Get Out with the

587
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: Tears in your eyes and Chris Teacup. Yeah that I

588
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: never saw the meme, but I could, I could, I

589
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: get the picture of it. M The funny thing about

590
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: that is that my wife like she's like, I'm responsible,

591
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: Like Yay's mom has passed away, I'm responsible to take

592
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: care of this superhero. And my mom might have had

593
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: these things where she made sure I never took my

594
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 1: Superman cape off. You know, I got this rap that

595
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 1: say parents are the strippers striped kids, that the confidence

596
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: teach white dominance, question your common sense. I've been washed

597
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: in tradition. The a'm a Rents hopped off the alma

598
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: stile and made a'm a god. Um. Now, when I

599
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: said it, I like it for this interview. When I

600
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: said it on a song, I didn't like the frequency

601
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: of it because it felt dated because it touched on

602
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: race too much. So it's not that not that racing.

603
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: We definitely are dealing with racism, but I want to

604
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: push future concepts you know now I'm doing. I'm giving

605
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: you two streams of consciences. In one, I want to

606
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: talk about my wife. I also want to talk about

607
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: Harriet Tubman on twenty dollars bill. We're following you. You

608
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: said it up good. That was the moment that I

609
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: wanted to use bitcoin and I saw Harry Tubbing on

610
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: a twenty dollar bill. Why it's like when you just

611
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: see like all the slave movies. It's like, why you

612
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: gotta keep reminding us about slavery. Why don't you show

613
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: us put Michael Jordan on a twenty dollars bill? But

614
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: Harriet tubbing with the slave who rebelled though, like hearing

615
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: that turner in a different frequency. Though they kind of

616
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: would like you when you said you didn't feel like

617
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: being controlled. Yeah, you know what, it's funny Like my

618
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: boy Tremaine tweeted, you know, a picture of me and

619
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 1: Virgil and he said, Malcolm X among of the king

620
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: and all these people got mass, Like how can you

621
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: compare them to that? Man? I know this is going

622
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: to cause an uproar, but certain certain icons is just

623
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: too far in the pass and that relatable and that's

624
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: what makes them safe. Like they'll let you go on

625
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: the Grammys and talk about slavery and all that and

626
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: racism because it's not talking about buying stock, it's not

627
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: talking about buying property. Yeah, economic empolament, Yeah, it's not

628
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: talking about economic power. You can complain as hard as

629
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: you want on that platform, but it's not scary or

630
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: that's what ultimately got model for King Junior killed like

631
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: it wasn't when he was fighting the civil rights. That's

632
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: when he started talking about economic empolament. When he was

633
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: playing things like the Poor People's March, which is gonna

634
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: be the largest march on Washington with people of all

635
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: colors that were just pointing this enfranchise, that's when they

636
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Speaker 1: took Martin up. How Cay, how is the comparison with

637
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: virgin Virgil though? What was saying that he's he's more Martin,

638
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: I'm more Malcolm. Oh, but there is a civil rights

639
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: element to the ability to create your own industry because

640
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: even when we did rap everything we got. Basketball and

641
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: rap are both someone else's industry, so you're always a player.

642
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: M it took Michael Jordan a long time to become

643
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: an owner. Would that said because you mentioned Virgil like

644
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: he's not a creative director for Louis Baton, feel like

645
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: he went from being an owner with off White to

646
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: not being a player. How do you how do you

647
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: feel about that some people have to do things just

648
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: to prove that they can be done and whether they

649
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 1: become the billionaire Da da dada. On the other side

650
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Speaker 1: of it, you know, Obama went into that office as

651
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Speaker 1: a public servant in a service position, and it didn't

652
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: matter the amount of money, it didn't matter the amount

653
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: of ownership. The world, the world needed to see that

654
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: this was a possibility. So for Virgil, it's like the

655
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: world just needs to see things. You know, I was

656
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: afraid to speak the way I speak now. I was

657
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: afraid to show you, you know, my office in Calabasas.

658
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: I was afraid to show you there's three hundred acres

659
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: that I just purchased that I'm building my first community on,

660
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,720
Speaker 1: my first five properties on because you know, I felt

661
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 1: like it would be shut down. But it's not about me.

662
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: Even if I got killed tomorrow and they shut everything down.

663
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: The fact that I put the idea out is the

664
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Speaker 1: black panther ship. That is a kid watching this in

665
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: high school and a kid in college because at a

666
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: certain point, you know Pock, at a certain point he

667
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: just had to message and hand the baton. He's like,

668
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: I might not be here, I mean not change the world,

669
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: but I mean the seed and somebody else that mean change. Yeah,

670
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 1: And that's the thing. The problem is obviously self reservation

671
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: is the first law nature, but people won't hand over

672
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: codes completely to the next generation out of just protecting themselves. Like,

673
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: some of the stuff we're touching on is very scary,

674
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: and I'm having to be brave to talk to you

675
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: about it. There's so many elements in our life that

676
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:10,240
Speaker 1: create an icon that you're supposed to look, you're supposed

677
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: to feel like you're not as good as the icon.

678
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: I have an issue with that. I'm just gonna say it,

679
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 1: backlash whatever. I have an issue with ideas that are

680
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: presented that make you feel less for your entire life.

681
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: We look at human beings as more than men or

682
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: more than women. Yeah, yeah, and then when they do

683
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:36,959
Speaker 1: something that's human, yeah, they're like, oh they let us down.

684
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, bro. When I was in the hospital, especially

685
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: the black people that worked at the hospital, and I

686
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: was on that hospital bed, and I felt like they

687
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: were like my family members, and I looked at them

688
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: in their in their eyes, and I don't know, it

689
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: was like the tribe or something. It's like, as much

690
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 1: as I want to say we're one race, one he

691
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: met one living organism. You know, there is an element

692
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: of the black celebrity in America. And when I was

693
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,280
Speaker 1: laid out in the hospital bad looking through the window

694
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: at a black UCLA employee, I felt like I had

695
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 1: left them down. I felt like they was looking at

696
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 1: me like just shaking a head. That just sad. It's like, oh,

697
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: that's yay, that's yay in that hospital bad, that's our

698
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: gay bro, like, that's that's our the ya juice, like

699
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: he can't like they can't, they can't break him. That

700
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: your tribe though. I think I think, you know, one

701
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: of the one of the big moments was when you

702
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: met with Donald Trump, and I think that led a

703
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: lot of people down. You know. The funny thing is

704
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: I always think about that Dave Chappelle skit of the

705
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: was Benjamin Bixie. It's like they created you know about

706
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: the blind Rasons, right, yeah, the blind Raceists and stuff

707
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: like Clayton Bigsby. Right. It's like I felt like when

708
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: I came out and expressed what I said, and when

709
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 1: I felt that was almost like a Clayton Bigsby moment,

710
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,439
Speaker 1: when everybody's head exploded, like, my ya, George Bush don't

711
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,439
Speaker 1: care about black people, cannot in any way, this dude

712
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: has to like dis Trump at all points, at all costs,

713
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: everything about and who was some dynamics to this. So

714
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: many people around me said, don't express your feelings why

715
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: your brand, You're this, You're that, You're that you said

716
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: you would have voted for. That's the feeling I'm you're

717
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: talking about, right, Yeah, that feeling. Yeah, because people first

718
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: thing they say is racism. They say, well, what makes

719
00:44:53,600 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 1: George Bush more any more racist than Trump? There's a question,

720
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: my friend asked me. My responses, well, racism isn't the

721
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: deal breaker from here. If that was the case, I

722
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't live in America. That's a rich that's a rich

723
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: nigh though. Oh no, as a rich yeah ideal with racism,

724
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: I do it just best for the indusgated community. But

725
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: all the tip shit, I deal with it. So I

726
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: I got love for Obama. I got love for everybody,

727
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: every human being that ever existed. But I felt like

728
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: Obama was perfect. He was almost like Nike or is

729
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 1: where if you or Nike? When I was at Nike

730
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 1: that Nike. Now like when I said, if you sew

731
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: in the good with everything and you got your whole

732
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 1: thing playing down a strategize, if you have like a

733
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: rogue character like me that comes in and says we

734
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: need to do this for Chicago, we need to do this,

735
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,760
Speaker 1: that you're gonna take it with a grain of salt.

736
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: You're gonna be cordial, You're gonna be all you know,

737
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 1: all that. But you're like, you're not really gonna change anything,

738
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: you know. Night when I was at Nike, they weren't

739
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: willing to change anything. They feel n who I have

740
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: the most respect for. I have respect for everyone at

741
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 1: Nike too, these guys, Mark Parker. You know, I just

742
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: gotta speak out as a as a parent, you know,

743
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: and apologize to this man forever, speaking ill on his

744
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: name and his company, because he gave me that shot

745
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: when we did the original Easy at Nike and he

746
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: was there with me. I was on a plane with

747
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,479
Speaker 1: him on sketching and he said, look at this sketch

748
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: because got a chance. And he put me next to

749
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: Tinker hot Field and it's me and don See making

750
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: the first Yeezy with Tinker hot Field and Mark Parker.

751
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: That was the squad that made the original Nike Yeasy.

752
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: So I just want I always wanted to express that

753
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: as as a father, and you know, and when my

754
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: karma comes, you know, I'll accept it in real time,

755
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: you know, like kill Bill. You know what I'm saying.

756
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: When that karma comes to get you, people I got

757
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: a frustration sometimes, yeah, but I got some karma waiting

758
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:48,280
Speaker 1: on me so um, but I just wanted to express

759
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: that because we're putting into the universe only good energy,

760
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: and every moment was a great moment because if Mark

761
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: Parker hadn't given me that moment, then he help turbo

762
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 1: charge me. And the combination Louis Vuitton. I had Louis

763
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: Vuitton sneaker and Nike sneaker come out at the same time,

764
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: so they helped turbo charge me. And I had a

765
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: conversation with my friend in Chris's house down the street.

766
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 1: And you talk about some rich egga shit, I'll tell

767
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: you something, a regular man shit that every man deals with.

768
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: My girlfriend has a child. We have a baby. You

769
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: make decisions in your life based on providing for your family.

770
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: I love Nike. I loved the Nike. I have to

771
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: put the eed on it for the stockholders. So but

772
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: when I was, you know, younger, I used to sketch

773
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: to swoosh everything, you know, So it was heartbreaking for

774
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: me to have to leave Nike. But they refused to

775
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: allow me to get royalty on my shoe, and I

776
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: knew I had the hottest shoe in the world. I

777
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: knew Yeasy was the hottest brand in the world, but

778
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: I couldn't get royalties. They just said, look, you can

779
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 1: make five thousand shoes or ten thousand shoes and we'll

780
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: give some of the proceeds to your favorite charity. But

781
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: it was nothing to build. No. Now we building factories.

782
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:30,879
Speaker 1: They wouldn't let me build anything. Trying to create generational wealth. Yeah,

783
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: and just put out more amazing ideas to the world,

784
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: both things, generational wealth, more ideas. My friend was that

785
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: Chris's house and expressed to me that he had received

786
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: a royalty because he was a store and I'm easy

787
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: and they wouldn't give me a royalty. That was like

788
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: the final straw. I was talking to Puma and talking

789
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: to Adidas. The dude didn't sign me at Puma. Definitely

790
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: needs to lose his job and stuff. I'm not gonna

791
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: say his name, but can you imagine so, because you know,

792
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: with that infrastructure and these ideas in this connection I have,

793
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: it wasn't no way. It wasn't gonna be a unicorn.

794
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: You know, Jeezy is a unicorse, a billion dollar company.

795
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: We were at fifteen million two years ago, and we're

796
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: gonna hit a billion this year. It's never ever been

797
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: heard of. So that make you anxious if they give

798
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: you anxiety, Uh, okay, that's what it's supposed to be.

799
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: You know, if I really had some percentage that related

800
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: to my actual influence, I'd be like a multi trillionaire.

801
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 1: So that's fine. So I made the decision and I left,

802
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: and I went with someone that would allow me to

803
00:50:55,680 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 1: build something. You know, I can call the CEO of

804
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,720
Speaker 1: Adidas directly. I have a cell phone. Mark Parker wouldn't

805
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: get on the phone with me. Really, I don't even

806
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: think you should be apologizing them. He wouldn't even give

807
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: you a courtesy call. Yeah, you know, they'd say things

808
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: like I don't know why people like the Yeasies and

809
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: you know fairies. So and the funny thing is, look

810
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:35,919
Speaker 1: at Nike now. Literally all the people that ever work

811
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: with me are like the hottest people at Nike now,

812
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: Like they gave them the deals because we left and

813
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: ripped their heads off. Um, how did that make you

814
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: feel with me? Leave you to go back to a

815
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: place that stifled job? Basically, who are you saying they're

816
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: talking about? Like, yeah, um they got families, bro. You

817
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: know these corporations. They provide an opportunity. These are my friends,

818
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: they have families. If I'm not going to provide them

819
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: the same opportunity, I'm not going to stand in their

820
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 1: way either. But you are provide them the same opportunity.

821
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: It's just more of ale Y'll are building something as

822
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: opposed to something that already exists. Now, like a lot

823
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: of times, people like the room the space. You know,

824
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 1: when you get such a big corporation, you could build

825
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: up your own brand next to it. If you're really

826
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: you know, close to me, it's just going to be

827
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: my brand. So people you know, want to build their

828
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: own brand actually need to be as far away from

829
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,760
Speaker 1: me as possible to just to get out of the shadow.

830
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: I'm kind of we kind of weird because you know,

831
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: you being Kanye West. The heat that you bring heats

832
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,720
Speaker 1: them up just enough. Like I wouldn't know a Virgil

833
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: and he hadn't been Kanye West, his creative director or

834
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: creative collaborator or whatever you wanted to call it. Yeah,

835
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: it's interesting. Now all unfolds and you feel different ways.

836
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,879
Speaker 1: There's a lot of there's mixed emotions. They're like, oh,

837
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: this is my crew, My crew is working for Nike

838
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: killing it. You know, I want my crew next to me,

839
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: because like when I get on the phone with Virgil,

840
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: that's my you know, that's my team. He's he's like

841
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:34,399
Speaker 1: the strategists. I'm I'm the emotor. I'm like Tesla. I'm

842
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: thinking of all the ideas like Nikola, Tesla like not

843
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: the car. And I'm thinking of all these ideas. And

844
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: Virgil is able to take all of those ideas and

845
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: then architect them because he is an architect, like you

846
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: would the school for architecture. But also this is great training.

847
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: You know, people gotta like I heard Nike dust stuff

848
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: like sends people to business school. But there still like

849
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:09,280
Speaker 1: a Nike like best believe Don Matt, Virgil, Jerry still

850
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: Donda at the end of the day, Louis Baton, It's

851
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: still Donda at the end of the day. So I know,

852
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: we go We're going to back to the presidential thing.

853
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: So I want to go back to Brundia too. We'll

854
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:22,359
Speaker 1: go back 's go back to the president thing. I'm

855
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: still trying to figure out what's the correlationship between Obama

856
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: and Nike and how it relates to Trump. See, Obama

857
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: came to me before he ran for office, and he

858
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: met with me and my mother to let me know

859
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: he was going to run for office because I am

860
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 1: his favorite artist of all time, because I am the

861
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: greatest artist of all time. You know what, It makes sense.

862
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: He got good taste. Yeah, he got his confidence back.

863
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that it's a flat statement up to

864
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: this point. You know, after me, there will be greater

865
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: you know, but this is this is yay, Like this

866
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: is like past anything that's happened up to this point.

867
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 1: This is the best, even Michael Jackson, Prince Steven Wonder,

868
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 1: whoever else you want to throw out there, because I

869
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: throw out there. I though Howard Hughes in there. I

870
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: through Henry Ford, I though Walt Disney, I through Steve

871
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: Jobs got you in there also. So you can't say

872
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: it's a lot because something like that is a matter

873
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: of opinion. Yeah, and the debate, they're right, it's naven

874
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: in debate. It's just the truth. Yeah, it's man, When

875
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,399
Speaker 1: you when you, when you're the greatest, is funny, man,

876
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like Ali lived a great life.

877
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 1: You gotta know who you are, absolutely, you gotta know

878
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: who you are. Um. So Obama it's like, Yay's like

879
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 1: my favorite artist. I want you to support. I'm running

880
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 1: for office, my office. It's dope. You know, I'm gonna

881
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: get a black president students. Matt COO's from you know, Chicago.

882
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: Then when I went on stage, and it would have

883
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 1: been good if this video didn't get out, but you

884
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: saw the video, let me called you jack? Yeah, you know,

885
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 1: he never called me to apologize, just the same person

886
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:25,399
Speaker 1: that sat down with me and my mom. I think

887
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 1: should have communicated to me directly and being like yo, yay, yo,

888
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: you know what it is. I'm in the room and

889
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: it's just a joke. You know why he said that though,

890
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: I mean at that time, so words from Obama probably

891
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 1: could have helped. He's the situation, not a little bit,

892
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, other pools to call you

893
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 1: a jack as the point more fuel on the fight.

894
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: You know, No, nobody's perfect. I love Obama. I'm sure,

895
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,399
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll hang out Richard Francis Island or whatever.

896
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, It's it would be cool.

897
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,720
Speaker 1: I just think that we were in a period where,

898
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: you know, he had so much stuff to deal with.

899
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 1: He couldn't deal with a you know wild card Like me,

900
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 1: I think that's too unpredictable, someone that wasn't being controlled

901
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: by strategy and thoughts with someone who's acting on feelings.

902
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: We knew that already up to that point, though. I mean,

903
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 1: if anything, when you said, George Bust, don't camp up

904
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: black people on stage in front of millions live, people

905
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: should have realized that that moment, we can't control that guy. Yeah,

906
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: you think you think people would have realized that, wouldn't

907
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: You guess they didn't, So in our kind of I

908
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: felt away a little bit about Obama that I'm your

909
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: favorite artist. You play Touched the Sky at your inauguration,

910
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: and now all of a sudden, Kendrick and Jay and

911
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: all these all the people you invite to the White

912
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: House like now, ease your favorite rappers now. And I

913
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: ain't got a problem with these rappers, but you know

914
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: I'm your favorite. But I'm not safe. But that's why

915
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: you love me. So just tell me you love me,

916
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: that's all, And tell the world you love me. Don't

917
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 1: tell the world on the jackass. I'm fighting hard enough.

918
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: Something about me going on stage was similar to what

919
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: you was doing, because I'm fighting to break the simulation

920
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: break the setup. That didn't make no sense. It's not

921
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: that I'm particularly fighting for Beyonce's video. It was every

922
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 1: time a word show has ever done that. Just fucking

923
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: with artists. We are hsp highly sensitive people, artists. That's

924
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: what you love about us. So you're gonna line up

925
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of artists and put us in some

926
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: bumass suits and shit, this idea from like two hundred

927
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: years ago. We dressed like two hundred years ago, lined

928
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: up trying to wait for a gold statue, and you're

929
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: gonna make us feel like shit. You know, it's five

930
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: of us and shi four of us got to go

931
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: to the restaurant with our friends and be like, man,

932
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 1: we ain't We're nothing. Fuck that, Yeah, fuck that. I

933
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: remember you said that you were upset because Rance said

934
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: she refused to perform at the VMA unless you won

935
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: the award. I was one of the I think as

936
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 1: a Sacramento you went on that rent. Now you know what,

937
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true. I don't. I don't.

938
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: I honestly don't know if that's the true thing. I

939
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: like it. Don't turn in the fact that was fake

940
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: news you put up there. No someone told me that,

941
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: but I haven't heard that from her and it's not confirmed,

942
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: so I don't know if it's true. So that shows

943
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: you like people put thoughts in your head to separate,

944
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 1: you know. It's people who play both sides. People are

945
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: somebody switching sides. There's people who will literally talk to

946
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: you that I get a peace of information, drop a

947
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 1: negative piece of talk to other side, get drop negative

948
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: the information on both sides. And then it showed up.

949
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, what's up? You know? So I don't know

950
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: so I could talk to I could talk to them directly.

951
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,959
Speaker 1: It's neither here nor there to me. But at that point,

952
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 1: when I was on my way to the hospital, that

953
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 1: was that affected me because I'm pure. It's like you

954
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:31,919
Speaker 1: don't appreciate pure. It's like if you don't appreciate pure,

955
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: this is like more an Obama thing, Like you don't

956
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: appreciate purity. You know, you don't understand the amount of

957
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 1: bravery that it takes to be pure into your thirties

958
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 1: and be a black in America and famous, like the

959
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: amount of brain Like Richard Pryor has this piece where

960
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: he talks about that. He says, like there's no such

961
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 1: thing as someone making it and remaining pure. Like I'm

962
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: talking to you in a stream right now. I'm forty

963
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 1: years old, got a family, I'm famous, i got a

964
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: billion dollar business, and I'm speaking to you in a stream. Yeah.

965
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 1: That that bothered me. But I'm not saying I have

966
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: a problem with that. I just want to put this

967
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 1: out into the universe just to just to kind of

968
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: give some people something to think about it. Now. It's interesting.

969
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 1: It's like it's a very Gemini thing. You know. You

970
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: see the trades, you see the in you and in

971
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: the Pocket's like, what's wrong with expressing how you feel?

972
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You get to this point

973
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 1: where you're Kanye West, the superstar of branding, It's like

974
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: they want you to be everything but human. But you're

975
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 1: a human being being got emotions. They want you to

976
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 1: be everything but you. But you what you're gonna say? No,

977
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying you if you feel a way about, you

978
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: know something you heard that be honestly, did you feel

979
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 1: a way about Obama calling you a jackass? You should

980
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 1: be able to express that. Oh yeah, And then I

981
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: also like had a problem you know that Obama's from Chicago,

982
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 1: and Chicago's a murder capital the world. You know, I

983
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 1: had a number of things that made me say, just

984
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 1: like how there's racist Trump supporters. There's things where I'm like, well,

985
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 1: maybe this could make a difference. You felt like President

986
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 1: Obama could have like wave a magic wand and just

987
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 1: got Chicago right. It's not a magic wand. You know what,

988
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 1: it's not his fault. Man. You've seen that gray hair

989
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: on that man. You don't know what that man was doing.

990
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you can only imagine, but just it took

991
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 1: everything from everything in that man's spirit and soul and

992
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 1: not say mentor racism every sentence. This man was a

993
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: Jackie Robinson of politics. You know, he was the first

994
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 1: person to do it. So, you know, we want to

995
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 1: be supportive and be aligned also. But this isn't like

996
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 1: an absolute sound bite. This isn't an obbsotite. This is

997
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 1: an absolute hen on either one. It's complex. It's this

998
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 1: is complex because these are voices. I might be president

999
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 1: one day, you know, so I might be in that

1000
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: situation where it's harder for me to explain to the

1001
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 1: masses why something isn't happening that they feel that the

1002
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 1: concept of a president should be able to fix. So two.

1003
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 1: Obama will say that I understand, bro, Like I understand,

1004
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 1: I understand like Jay that coming to the wedding, they

1005
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 1: just had an altercation. Understand, But I have my feelings also,

1006
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 1: or so it's complex. When the black even spoke Obama, well,

1007
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 1: that was the last time we email with your mom.

1008
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 1: We did a fundraiser for midterm or for them in

1009
01:03:52,920 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 1: San Francisco, and we did a performance for them, and

1010
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 1: right before I went on stage, someone let me know

1011
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 1: that he had left. So you don't even get to

1012
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 1: see him in there. I saw him beforehand for OK.

1013
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 1: Yeah he left right before he performed. Yeah, that made

1014
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 1: you feel away? I felt away, Bro, I just don't

1015
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 1: reach out to the brother man. I'm sure you get

1016
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 1: in touch with him, just to let him know, like

1017
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 1: I feel away. He see this interview or we talked,

1018
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 1: I felt the way, I'll be feeling away, Bro, I'll

1019
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 1: be feeling I'll be feeling I got feelings, Bro, He's

1020
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 1: feeling away, Bro, I'd be feeling I'll be hey, I'd

1021
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 1: be feeling a way because these are people that you've

1022
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 1: assisted and helped them maybe possibly get to the point

1023
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 1: that they at and then when they get there, they

1024
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 1: don't give you that same love and return or supporting

1025
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 1: return when you need it. Nobody owes me anything, but

1026
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna fee or what I feel. And I understand.

1027
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 1: That's the thing where sometimes a conversation can help show

1028
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 1: respect for a situation. You know, look, I couldn't do

1029
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 1: this because of these reasons. You know how it is.

1030
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,440
Speaker 1: You see my gray hair. It's crazy out here. I'm

1031
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 1: I'm the leader of the free world. Yeah, sorry for

1032
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 1: calling you jackass. I appreciate your honesty. I appreciate your Gemini,

1033
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 1: your tuparcnus. I appreciate that somebody's gonna do it because

1034
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 1: I'm friends that I can't do it, but I appreciate

1035
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 1: that somebody is still willing to do it. That's why

1036
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 1: I get the interview with you. You know what I'm saying.

1037
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 1: You go off truth as you risk your life or

1038
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 1: your truth. You know the feeling? What was the feeling

1039
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 1: that made you say, you know what, I want to

1040
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 1: go meet with Donald Trump? And what yay are we

1041
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 1: talking about? When that happened? When nothing you ain't with

1042
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 1: no confidence nothing, yea, he was trying to figure things out.

1043
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 1: What ya was that? Yeah, but I'm not gonna back

1044
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 1: down after that. I'm not I'm not gonna let myself

1045
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 1: off easy by saying I met with Trump just because

1046
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 1: I was going through something. I ain't gonna give the

1047
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 1: universe that. Nah. I'm gonna face it, and they're gonna

1048
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 1: face me. This is the ya that wanted to do

1049
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 1: something to change something. And I would meet with them

1050
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 1: today and I would talk about Chicago first, to talk

1051
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 1: about some more things. We could eventually get into a

1052
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 1: lot of you know, elements, but we start there. Do

1053
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 1: you think he cares about black people? What do you think? Now?

1054
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Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna hit you with a question. Your question.

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01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 1: I hate when people do that to me. You can

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01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 1: have you though, are you that's fire because you used

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01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 1: to George Bush quote against me get about black people

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01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 1: because when you met with him, he hadn't even really been,

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01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 1: you know, acting president. Now we've got a year into

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01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 1: our belt. Nothing good has comp of Donald Trump being

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01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:26,959
Speaker 1: in the White House other than people starting to build

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Speaker 1: their own like you talked about when you left Nike,

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01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 1: because Nike wouldn't allow you to build your own. But

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01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 1: I think Donald Trump is forcing us to build their own.

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01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 1: It's a difference, Bro, I'm doing my landscape in the

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01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 1: back of my crib, rich nigh right before we could

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01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 1: put all the trees and add the beauty. You gotta

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01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 1: break some things if you keep on getting just the beauty,

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01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:02,440
Speaker 1: just the perfect thing. Just the Obama walked through the hallway.

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01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 1: It just see he don't even want his feet don't

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01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 1: even touch the floor. He's just floating. Give a bird

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01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 1: the handshake and all that. You know what I mean,

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01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 1: You get all of these images. This is what it is.

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01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:16,839
Speaker 1: This is what I wanted to talk about, the idea

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01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 1: of black perfection. Like a black person can't be imperfect

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01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 1: in the public eye. That's a form of control. I'm

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01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 1: here to show you imperfection. The beauty is in the imperfection,

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01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 1: that this is possible. When I'm sitting there at the

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01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 1: War Show and I'm like, man, this is the staple

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01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 1: centers they play ball here. Y'all gonna sit through this

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01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 1: and put this Let this mind manipulation tell you that

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01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 1: you know someone you know. I'm ain't gonna put no energy.

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01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 1: We're keeping a positive energy like that exactly what you're saying.

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01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 1: That's what they used to saying about rock had to

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01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 1: be perfect because if he wasn't perfect, and we probably

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01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 1: would never get another one. You know, that's like the

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01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 1: Virgil situation, right. You know, I feel like I feel

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01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:15,879
Speaker 1: like Barrock's brother a little bit. You remember when Barrock's

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01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 1: brother was talking a little bit before up. You know,

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01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 1: it's like because it's complex with Louis Vatton. You know,

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01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 1: as me and Virgil went and infiltrated fashion, which is

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01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 1: what we did, he started to learn about it. He started,

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01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 1: I got this thing that I'm gonna tweet later, and

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01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 1: I rode on my retreat. That was, um. You know,

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01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:44,600
Speaker 1: you look at this mountaintop and at the top of

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01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 1: the mountain, it's all these tools for life. So you proceed,

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01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 1: You said, I need these tools in order to win

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01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 1: it life. So you proceed to climb up the mountain.

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01:09:57,600 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 1: But you you need tools in order to get up

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01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 1: the the client you're collecting tools and stuff. By the

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01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 1: time you get to the top of the mountain, you

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01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 1: got more tools than was at the top. And that's

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01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 1: what I figured out about fashion. You know, I talked

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01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 1: to Virgil for an hour. You know, I realized that

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01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:24,280
Speaker 1: the concept of luxury and all this is what did

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01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 1: I love about Gucci? What did I love about Louis Vatan,

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01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 1: I love tom Ford, I love the artist, and Gucci

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01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 1: created a platform for the artist. I love Mark Jacobs

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01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:44,080
Speaker 1: and Louis Vatan created a platform for the artists. It's

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01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 1: a battle that y'all don't know about. Francois Pino, Bernard Arno.

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01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 1: Who those people are, Francois Pino, Is Balenciaga and Gucci. Okay, okay,

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01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 1: Binararno is the richest person in fashion. This is the

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01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:06,600
Speaker 1: head of the LVMH group. Like I've been to his

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01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:10,719
Speaker 1: house before. I've shaken hands to do a deal before

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01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 1: with this man, and he's one of my idols, just

1116
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 1: like jay Z. He's called you know as he made

1117
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 1: culture before culture there was culture because he set the

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01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:24,560
Speaker 1: platform before there was an internet. To hire John Gagliano

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01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 1: from Saint Martin's one of Louis Wilson students, hire Mark Jacobs.

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Speaker 1: He had the vision. This man is a visionary, you know,

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Speaker 1: he is one of my idols. I love Bernard. I

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01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 1: feel as energy he loves me also. So this is

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Speaker 1: how it works. They have two main, main main schools

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01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:56,320
Speaker 1: that have raised the fashion icons. Parsons in New York

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01:11:56,439 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 1: and Saint Martin's in London, but Nard I know, and

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01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 1: Pino that's their recruiting, you know camp they go there.

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01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:12,599
Speaker 1: And now the breakthrough Virgil is now we have someone

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Speaker 1: who's come from Donda. It's come from the school to

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01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 1: Kanye West. And I hear people talk about all he

1130
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 1: didn't go to school. Oh, we went to school, all right.

1131
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 1: We hit to school. Were doing JPEGs in Japan and

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01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 1: we were we were making photoshops so much and not

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01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:34,520
Speaker 1: making clothes that we we started just joking about the JPEGs,

1134
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:37,600
Speaker 1: like did you shrink my jpeg? Did you? Did you?

1135
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 1: Did you die my jpeg? And ship we because we

1136
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 1: couldn't figure out how to actually make the clothes, so

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01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:45,000
Speaker 1: we just do it in photoshop. And Virgil became the

1138
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 1: fastest photoshop artist that I've ever met in my life.

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01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 1: We'd be sitting in a you know, you know, right

1140
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 1: before we went to Findy, you know, just photoshopping things

1141
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 1: we en't during defending. But we ain't do shit, bro,

1142
01:12:57,920 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 1: We ain't get to do nothing. Man. I was just

1143
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:02,599
Speaker 1: happy to have a cart. Did it upset you because

1144
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 1: you said you have mixed emotions with Virgil? Got the

1145
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 1: got the job? Did it upset you because that's something

1146
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:12,040
Speaker 1: that you wanted, Like you was verbal about wanting it

1147
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 1: on one of these fashion houses and being able to

1148
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 1: create for Louis Baton, a Gucci. What's the thing we

1149
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:20,880
Speaker 1: said about, you know, the tools at the top of

1150
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 1: the mountain. You know, in the process you gain all

1151
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 1: the tools. It's the journey, and that journey you gain

1152
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:31,280
Speaker 1: everything you need. Now we got factories, we've it's you know,

1153
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:33,720
Speaker 1: there is some we talk about validation, need or not

1154
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:38,120
Speaker 1: need for validation. There is some validation and the fact that, um,

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01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 1: someone that I came up with is now the head

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01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:47,679
Speaker 1: of Louis Baton, you know, And I said, you know, honestly,

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01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:52,839
Speaker 1: you know that's um, that was a slight. I shouldn't

1158
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:57,599
Speaker 1: have worded like that. Virgilous the head of men'swear. Nicholas

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01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 1: gascar is the head of women's weear, but our no,

1160
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:04,360
Speaker 1: it's the head. So I just want a word it

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01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:06,680
Speaker 1: straight straight up, because every time we stay head, it's

1162
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 1: like a little bit of a slight to Nicholas, and

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01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 1: Nicholas is the god, like maybe the best top top

1164
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 1: number one designer in the world. Did Virgil call you

1165
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:17,720
Speaker 1: before he took the job, because because because that was

1166
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 1: something that you wanted. Did he call you, like, yo,

1167
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 1: let me at least consult with yea, asking if there's

1168
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:24,600
Speaker 1: something I should do? Or did you hear about it

1169
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 1: on the internet like the rest of us. No, he

1170
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:31,519
Speaker 1: made the call two minutes before hit dinner. But wow,

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01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:34,680
Speaker 1: But so you didn't know about the meetings or the

1172
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 1: stuff that was happening beforehand. No. No, when we I

1173
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 1: was in the I was in Berlin with Rocky and

1174
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 1: he told me, He's like, you know, we're looking at

1175
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 1: I'm looking at Bluis Vutan, I'm looking at Versachi like

1176
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 1: he you know, you know, like yeah, I'm wow, you

1177
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:49,679
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So it's all like the fact

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01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 1: that he had to work with me for ten years.

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01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 1: It's like my reputation is kind of like Devil Wears

1180
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:57,760
Speaker 1: product or something like that. So people are mindful in

1181
01:14:57,800 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 1: the way that they give me information too. So he

1182
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 1: he didn't, He didn't. He was like, I'm going to move.

1183
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 1: He's like, Avasachi got this. I got to kind of

1184
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 1: laid it out. Then I showed him the season six campaign.

1185
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:10,760
Speaker 1: I showed him Paris Hilton and this and that. It's

1186
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:12,840
Speaker 1: like we're about to drop this and we was doing

1187
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 1: musical Rocky. But he knew he's going to leave Banton

1188
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:19,799
Speaker 1: at that time because he did System magazine. System Magazine

1189
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:22,800
Speaker 1: is an LVMH magazine, and whenever they're about to prep up,

1190
01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 1: you know, a new talent, they put him on System

1191
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 1: Magazine just to kind of put it in the ethos. Yeah,

1192
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 1: you know, this is who we're gonna you know, we're

1193
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 1: gonna put here. Um as far as getting the job

1194
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 1: or taking the job or is it cool? Yeah, bro,

1195
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 1: like it's a cool job to have. They got that platform,

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01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 1: they got thousands of stores, they got you know resources.

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01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 1: You know, I've met with ERMZ you know, uh maybe

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01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:55,639
Speaker 1: a year and a half prior to that, I met

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01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 1: with banar Or. No. We had to deal, you know,

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01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 1: on the table that we shook on. I did some

1201
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 1: performances that they museum, and then three months later the

1202
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 1: deal got dropped at the board. And that that set

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01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:15,200
Speaker 1: me back in apparel a bit when that happened, because

1204
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 1: in order for me to even negotiate the deal, just

1205
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 1: after I did Season one with Adidas, I had to

1206
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:24,280
Speaker 1: go to Adidas and say, Okay, I know we had

1207
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 1: the best fashion show all this, but Louis Vatton is

1208
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 1: gonna back you know Yeasy in the Kanye West company,

1209
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 1: and these guys are masters of clothes, so I need

1210
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 1: you to ademnify the pail. I got to paperwork on it,

1211
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 1: and Adidas say like, all right, okay, cool, We're cool.

1212
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:44,800
Speaker 1: We just do to choose. So if you know this,

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01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 1: ever since then, there's never been Adidas Yeasy clothing. So

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01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 1: when I did so, this happened right after the fashion

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01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 1: show in February. I met Ubanara No in February. We

1216
01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 1: shook our hands on the deal and then you know,

1217
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 1: his son called me and they said, you know, it's

1218
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 1: dropped at the board. We don't think it's going to

1219
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:08,000
Speaker 1: be profitable before we run out of money. They only

1220
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 1: wanted to, you know, invest thirty million into it. You

1221
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 1: need to invest at least one hundred million when you're

1222
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 1: making a new brand, only thirty millions. I know that

1223
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 1: was a stunt at the lebrity talking to um, but

1224
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 1: people need to get higher ceilings, and shit, we got

1225
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:27,920
Speaker 1: to talk with the ceiling. This is diddy talk, you

1226
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 1: know what I mean, This is what Calibi talking about.

1227
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 1: This is that you know. So when they pulled on

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01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:38,640
Speaker 1: the deals. I went into season two, we didn't have

1229
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 1: any production partner in the collection ever went to market

1230
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 1: the first collection when Thedidas had lineups, and there was

1231
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 1: nothing to fall back on on the second collection due

1232
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 1: to that negotiation. So the hurtful part of it was

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01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 1: that's why okay, that makes sense, that's why you never

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01:17:56,200 --> 01:18:02,040
Speaker 1: seen no clod. So the hurtful part was they agreed

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01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 1: to support my clothing and guess who was one of

1236
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 1: my designers, Virgil. Then they didn't do the deal, and

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01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 1: where didn't have anything to do? Would you say Virgil

1238
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 1: didn't have anything to do technically? Yeah, I mean he

1239
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:27,600
Speaker 1: was doing all flight but um, you know, at that

1240
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 1: time we had our designers for Virgil Don Jerry fear God,

1241
01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:38,320
Speaker 1: Demna demla Is ahead of Laiaga. Demna was in the apartment.

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01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 1: It's me, Virgil Jerry in this apartment one by one

1243
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:49,800
Speaker 1: making season one. I wore this big sweatshirt vet my sweatshirt.

1244
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:53,720
Speaker 1: I remember, you know something people say vetterment right and

1245
01:18:53,880 --> 01:19:00,680
Speaker 1: then oh, you know, shortly after it's not because I

1246
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:04,439
Speaker 1: want a sweatshirt either. But shortly after Dimna went to

1247
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:08,760
Speaker 1: Blanciaga and now Virgils you know, how Louis va tom

1248
01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:13,760
Speaker 1: So transitions in life. You know, as a as a

1249
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:19,320
Speaker 1: business owner, these things are hurtful, you know when you

1250
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:22,759
Speaker 1: have like you you're working with a talent like Demna,

1251
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 1: You're working with a talent like Virgil, and you know,

1252
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:31,759
Speaker 1: somebody comes through and says, Bam, I'm gonna take Virgil,

1253
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:35,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take culture. Explain to me because I don't

1254
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 1: know nothing about fashion. Yeah, so why would Virgil leave

1255
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 1: a brand that seems to be successful off White? It

1256
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 1: seems to be growing. Yeah, you know what I mean?

1257
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:47,600
Speaker 1: Why would you leave that brand to go work for

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Speaker 1: a Louis Vuitton, a brand that's already established? Like, why

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01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:53,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't you pull your resources and try to make off

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01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 1: White that next high end luxury brand? Because off White

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01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 1: has five ten stories, Thluiver times two thousand stores. It's

1262
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:06,400
Speaker 1: like taking the job as a president. You know, you

1263
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 1: know Trump, you see Trump's name on all type of buildings,

1264
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:12,680
Speaker 1: but he still took the job as president. You have

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01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 1: like you know, there's conversations about a creative director role

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01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 1: for me at Adidas. It's like, okay, I got my brand?

1267
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 1: Is this billion dollars brand's unicorn company's growing. But to

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01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:27,719
Speaker 1: be able to go and be able to direct Adidas

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01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 1: at all those stores is a you know, it's another conversation.

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01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:35,360
Speaker 1: I'd be you know, I'd be open to the conversation

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01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 1: of taking a job like that. But how did that

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01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:40,759
Speaker 1: help Chicago though? Because, like you said, you become president,

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01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:44,360
Speaker 1: so now you over two thousand stores as opposed the

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01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:49,720
Speaker 1: focusing on this one. Does that help off white girl? Any? Hell? Yeah?

1275
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:51,840
Speaker 1: Christ Off White went up soon as he went to

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01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 1: Louis Batton. OK. Yeah, not the price with the value

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01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:58,320
Speaker 1: of it, the validation of it, because Louis Baton, Louis

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01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:02,599
Speaker 1: Vuttan is the you know, Erman's is really the top

1279
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:06,599
Speaker 1: luxury house. When they call luxury houses like anybody knows

1280
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:10,200
Speaker 1: about luxury anybody Bernard will say Erma is the top

1281
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:14,599
Speaker 1: luxury house. Family owned all that. Why do we only

1282
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:23,840
Speaker 1: need validation from white people, all rich people? Because our

1283
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:25,800
Speaker 1: cape got taken away when he was three years old.

1284
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:29,439
Speaker 1: We're broken, We're in the simulation. We want our BMW,

1285
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 1: we want our house that we want to pay all

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01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 1: our money for the house. We want to buy this

1287
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:35,840
Speaker 1: dress for our wife. We want to do this. We

1288
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:37,600
Speaker 1: want to get our kids in school, we want. We

1289
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:41,360
Speaker 1: want this, you know, this championship trophy, we want this jewelry,

1290
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:44,040
Speaker 1: We want all these different things. Like people, we not

1291
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:46,640
Speaker 1: monks were in the simulation. We end it. You know

1292
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I can't talk nobody out of wearing Groucci.

1293
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 1: And you know this is me. I had to come

1294
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:53,320
Speaker 1: out to the other side of the hospital and you know,

1295
01:21:53,439 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 1: have like a Russell sweatshirt on or something like that.

1296
01:21:56,479 --> 01:21:58,760
Speaker 1: It's me, like people be calling me like homeless all

1297
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:01,200
Speaker 1: the time, but like this is my confidence where I

1298
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 1: don't wear branding like that and put words but like

1299
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:08,680
Speaker 1: absomnia too, so I can. But everyone like they have

1300
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 1: to have that confidence. Like when I see when I

1301
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:14,600
Speaker 1: see branding, I see insecurity, you know, I see and

1302
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:18,720
Speaker 1: I see people buying you know, buying security, you know,

1303
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:24,400
Speaker 1: buying get back through a brand, you know, protection of badge.

1304
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 1: Don't don't mess with me in high school, I guess supremot,

1305
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 1: you know, the just to put the agenda for a

1306
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 1: second of easy and of what we're doing out is

1307
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:41,960
Speaker 1: our mission and what we fought for is to be

1308
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:45,880
Speaker 1: able to take the best talents in the world and

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01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 1: you know land that price point which we haven't done yet.

1310
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:52,880
Speaker 1: But that's what's interesting about this interview. I like you

1311
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:55,639
Speaker 1: get to see the steps. You know, it's like when

1312
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:58,840
Speaker 1: you see early Jeff Bezos, you know he gona be

1313
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:01,960
Speaker 1: Jeff Bezos. Oh, it's just like he's standing from a warehouse.

1314
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 1: But we're not interested in the concept of high fashion.

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01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 1: You know, the concept of luxury. I'm changing the idea

1316
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:13,240
Speaker 1: of luxury. I think luxury is space. I think luxury

1317
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:16,920
Speaker 1: is time is a luxury. Friends are a luxury. Getting

1318
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 1: your vision out as a luxury. The ability to afford

1319
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:23,560
Speaker 1: something is the luxury. Not to not able to afford it,

1320
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 1: to go in and be like, oh I can afford this,

1321
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:31,519
Speaker 1: that's the luxury. That's the yea. Everybody fell in love

1322
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 1: with them that Yeah, who was so human? They ain't

1323
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:37,600
Speaker 1: who cared about things bigger than brands. You know, like

1324
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:39,559
Speaker 1: you talking about family and now here you talking about friends,

1325
01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:43,000
Speaker 1: here you talking about time. Those are something we all have.

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01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 1: Those are valuables that we all possessed, regardless of you know,

1327
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:51,120
Speaker 1: what our finances are. Yeah, and that's the thing that

1328
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:54,000
Speaker 1: we had to crack the code. The reason why we

1329
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:57,760
Speaker 1: went into fashion wasn't to stay there or be there

1330
01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:02,640
Speaker 1: or just do you know who high priced stuff. It

1331
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:08,960
Speaker 1: was actually to take the incredible HSP highly sensitive people

1332
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:12,720
Speaker 1: that usually end up in a fashion house and bring

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01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:21,280
Speaker 1: them to someplace where they could consistently connect with the public.

1334
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 1: Easy eventually will be, you know, closer to like a

1335
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:30,160
Speaker 1: relief company if there's like a disaster. We're gonna dress

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01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 1: you know, We're gonna bring clothes and water. You know,

1337
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 1: the same design perspective that can sell a three hundred

1338
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:43,360
Speaker 1: dollars T shirt. We're just gonna give it. And eventually

1339
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:48,559
Speaker 1: that's who will be. You'll look up five ten years

1340
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:57,000
Speaker 1: from now and Easy will be the biggest service provider

1341
01:24:57,400 --> 01:25:01,840
Speaker 1: of apparel. And one by one, every year, we're gonna

1342
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:06,040
Speaker 1: take one, two, three, ten people that would have normally

1343
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:08,679
Speaker 1: ended up in the fashion house, would have went to Nike,

1344
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:12,600
Speaker 1: would have went other places, and we're going to Calabasas.

1345
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:16,240
Speaker 1: We're building factories as dope, you know, as dope. You know,

1346
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:18,760
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there listening to you're talking. You know, I

1347
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:22,559
Speaker 1: feel like Kanye from four years ago would have taken

1348
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 1: a job at the fashion house. I don't feel like

1349
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 1: the Kanye I'm talking to right now would take that job.

1350
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 1: At the fashion house. I am in too good of

1351
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:34,439
Speaker 1: a position to take a job where I have to

1352
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 1: be away for my wife and my son and my daughters.

1353
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:43,720
Speaker 1: That just don't make no sense. For what family is

1354
01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 1: your most important currency. I got a cousin that the

1355
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:50,320
Speaker 1: Florida I flew out here. I'm trying to get as

1356
01:25:50,439 --> 01:25:52,920
Speaker 1: much family as close to me as possible. That's one

1357
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:55,959
Speaker 1: of the reasons why Kim won't end up in a hospital.

1358
01:25:56,800 --> 01:26:05,360
Speaker 1: She had a family close. Do you feel like you're

1359
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:08,680
Speaker 1: in a position to change things now with y'all, like

1360
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:11,640
Speaker 1: really change things? I always was, you know, it's my

1361
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:14,559
Speaker 1: place in the universe. I've just been distracted. I've been

1362
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:17,880
Speaker 1: distracted and manipulated, and I allow things that you know,

1363
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:24,240
Speaker 1: my Mama made me to never be manipulated and gangstered

1364
01:26:24,439 --> 01:26:27,040
Speaker 1: and pimped and all that type of ship. But somehow,

1365
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 1: stepping into the music industry, it happened, you know, Like,

1366
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:33,200
Speaker 1: the music industry is set up for you to have

1367
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:37,519
Speaker 1: just enough money to afford a car, pay for your kids,

1368
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:40,760
Speaker 1: a house, and be on tour for the rest of

1369
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:43,640
Speaker 1: your life till you die. It ain't set up for

1370
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 1: you to literally go buy an album Island like feel Knight,

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01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:50,320
Speaker 1: it ain't set up for the artists to win. It's

1372
01:26:50,360 --> 01:26:54,320
Speaker 1: like boxing. You know, more, more people end up retarded

1373
01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:57,880
Speaker 1: than rich. Do you feel like when you was in

1374
01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:04,800
Speaker 1: debt did contribute to your lack of us Nah? I'm

1375
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:06,720
Speaker 1: glad that you said that because that lets me. That

1376
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:08,439
Speaker 1: makes me think, like the answer, money is what made

1377
01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:12,120
Speaker 1: him feel confident. Nah. That's why I tweeted that because

1378
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:14,599
Speaker 1: I knew I had to power. That's why I tweeted

1379
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:18,760
Speaker 1: Mark Duckerberg and I tweeted the debt. The reason I

1380
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:23,240
Speaker 1: tweeted to Mark Zuckerberg's because he wanted to meet with me,

1381
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:25,160
Speaker 1: and my hung out with him a few times and

1382
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:28,000
Speaker 1: I got respect for him. And but when I was

1383
01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:35,400
Speaker 1: talking about my ideas, there was really like not a

1384
01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 1: lot of follow up to that. And I always see

1385
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 1: these um these guys they'll go and support a guy

1386
01:27:41,439 --> 01:27:46,280
Speaker 1: that's got like one idea that they can capitalize off of.

1387
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:49,680
Speaker 1: And then you get a guy that's proven and like

1388
01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:53,360
Speaker 1: done the impossible in every single field he's ever put

1389
01:27:53,439 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 1: his mind to. And I'm like, yo, help me get

1390
01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 1: a valuation right for my company, and it would be

1391
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 1: people who know how to do that, and I'm hanging

1392
01:28:02,120 --> 01:28:05,640
Speaker 1: with them, right and they don't show me how to

1393
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:10,080
Speaker 1: do that, and it's like, why are you keeping me misinformed?

1394
01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:15,680
Speaker 1: I felt like learning the valuation of just even the

1395
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 1: company and what I built was like a slave getting

1396
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:22,439
Speaker 1: a social Security number. It's like, I got my rights.

1397
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:26,480
Speaker 1: I know I'm worth this much. And everyone in Hollywood

1398
01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:30,600
Speaker 1: knows exactly who Yay is. Every agent, anybody they know

1399
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:36,400
Speaker 1: Yay is Jay in the hospital, on stage, rant, in debt,

1400
01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:40,960
Speaker 1: or with a billion dollar company. Like the spirit is

1401
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:44,320
Speaker 1: here and the only thing that can hold me back

1402
01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:50,519
Speaker 1: is a lack of information. But information is harder define,

1403
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:53,680
Speaker 1: and you think it's secret codes. Like even when jay

1404
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:58,280
Speaker 1: Z gave a little bit of codes on four there's

1405
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 1: people I know that tweeted or we're texting each other

1406
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:04,280
Speaker 1: like he's giving colds away, he's giving information. But it's like, yo,

1407
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:07,920
Speaker 1: this is open source. Yeah. I like. I like because

1408
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:12,559
Speaker 1: because Elon Musk could be like, yo, here's all my plans,

1409
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:14,080
Speaker 1: but he's the only one that could pull it off.

1410
01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:16,280
Speaker 1: I just you know, we work hard on that color

1411
01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:18,599
Speaker 1: pale right now. I just tweeted it today, like yo,

1412
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:21,439
Speaker 1: because it's fire. You know what I'm saying? I'm sure

1413
01:29:21,479 --> 01:29:23,479
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some people that copy it one by one.

1414
01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:26,840
Speaker 1: That's great the ideas out there. You're hanging out with

1415
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:29,519
Speaker 1: people and you're saying, I want to do all these things,

1416
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:32,920
Speaker 1: and it's just not taking you seriously and it keeps

1417
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:38,880
Speaker 1: you in a position to be you know, managed in

1418
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 1: a way. So my my last and final manager of

1419
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:47,720
Speaker 1: Scooter Braun right, I've had every manager ge Robertson, Jay

1420
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:52,519
Speaker 1: Brown is easy. You just parted. What was that about?

1421
01:29:55,920 --> 01:30:01,679
Speaker 1: I just can't be managed? But was dope about Scooter though,

1422
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:05,479
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, for you really gotta

1423
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:08,840
Speaker 1: give him his props. Is one thing is he has

1424
01:30:10,720 --> 01:30:15,040
Speaker 1: his parents, adopted a black child. His brother's black. So

1425
01:30:15,320 --> 01:30:21,360
Speaker 1: this is a Jewish guy who understands business, understands all this,

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01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:25,080
Speaker 1: but also understands how to communicate, you know, on a

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01:30:25,240 --> 01:30:29,000
Speaker 1: personal level or a black person, like on a brother level.

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01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:31,160
Speaker 1: So me and Scooter would just getting on the phone

1429
01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:33,960
Speaker 1: and we talked to me for hours, and that information

1430
01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:39,000
Speaker 1: meant everything. He was mine, let me third person. He

1431
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 1: was Kanye West, Gateway drug to business. Because before that

1432
01:30:42,479 --> 01:30:44,320
Speaker 1: it was always like you were artists, you were a rapper.

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01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:46,720
Speaker 1: We love you for the music. Hey, don't don't think

1434
01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:49,040
Speaker 1: about nothing, don't think about business, blah blah blah blah blah.

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01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:51,120
Speaker 1: And I would just you know the thing we was

1436
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:53,040
Speaker 1: talking about before when we talk about Obama and Trump

1437
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:55,640
Speaker 1: in then other room we talk about trust me like that,

1438
01:30:55,640 --> 01:30:58,280
Speaker 1: I would just trust trust the manager, Let them do everything,

1439
01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:01,080
Speaker 1: them handle everything, let them handle you know, let them

1440
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:03,040
Speaker 1: hire your business manager or this and that, and you

1441
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:05,600
Speaker 1: get a manager or manager, home manager, and then it

1442
01:31:05,680 --> 01:31:08,639
Speaker 1: becomes one big racket where it's like the tour guy

1443
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:11,200
Speaker 1: is talking to the label guy is talking to the manager,

1444
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:12,880
Speaker 1: is talking to the guy that sold you the house,

1445
01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:15,799
Speaker 1: and talk to you baba. And then you're just trapped.

1446
01:31:17,080 --> 01:31:19,519
Speaker 1: You don't you're not in control of your life anymore.

1447
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:23,640
Speaker 1: And at that point you could be easily manipulated. You know,

1448
01:31:25,720 --> 01:31:28,400
Speaker 1: a whole album with Paul McCartney can end up becoming

1449
01:31:28,439 --> 01:31:35,040
Speaker 1: a single for Rihanna because you know, you're trapped in

1450
01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:40,639
Speaker 1: this box of the idea of your perception music industry

1451
01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:42,479
Speaker 1: this at that. So the funny thing I was I

1452
01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:44,519
Speaker 1: knew I wanted to say in this situation is like

1453
01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:50,080
Speaker 1: Scooter Braun is Kanye West, Kanye West gateway drug to

1454
01:31:50,200 --> 01:31:54,320
Speaker 1: business and maybe the death of the music industry as

1455
01:31:54,360 --> 01:31:59,720
Speaker 1: we know it. Really, Yeah, why because artists are businesses.

1456
01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:05,320
Speaker 1: We're not just artists. Artists shouldn't have managers, Artists should

1457
01:32:05,320 --> 01:32:10,200
Speaker 1: have CEOs. That's how I feel. I didn't put no

1458
01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:13,240
Speaker 1: thought on that. You know, it's like you know says

1459
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:14,479
Speaker 1: a lot of people is going to have a problem

1460
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 1: with that statement. I'm gonna say how I feel. So

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01:32:17,160 --> 01:32:23,719
Speaker 1: that means, Okay, how many kids are going to business

1462
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:27,760
Speaker 1: school right now? Warden Harvard. You think they like, let's sake,

1463
01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:31,040
Speaker 1: somebody Travis Scott, right, they probably listened to his music.

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01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:35,040
Speaker 1: Oozy somebody like that? Right? How many Uzi's and Travis

1465
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:40,240
Speaker 1: Scott's are there? And how many business people are there? Right,

1466
01:32:40,240 --> 01:32:44,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna think it's probably less Travis Scotts and Oozies

1467
01:32:44,200 --> 01:32:46,880
Speaker 1: than there are business people. So when you think of

1468
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:53,200
Speaker 1: Travis Scott would deserve the same amount of employees as

1469
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:57,040
Speaker 1: Dropbox in his first year. So that's some day he

1470
01:32:57,120 --> 01:33:00,800
Speaker 1: can ipo for ten billion, like my friend Drew just

1471
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:05,360
Speaker 1: did with Dropbox, but with artistry an artist. What's the

1472
01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:08,519
Speaker 1: point where you ipl everyone want to talk to me

1473
01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:13,800
Speaker 1: about getting out? I'm out this to get out yeah,

1474
01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:17,680
Speaker 1: we didn't. That was a three sixty dealt The three

1475
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:20,400
Speaker 1: sixty deal kind of like the label saying we recognize

1476
01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:22,559
Speaker 1: artists as a business. Now now we want a piece

1477
01:33:22,600 --> 01:33:25,880
Speaker 1: of all of their business. Three sixty deal make me

1478
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:29,639
Speaker 1: think that Harriet Tubman on a twenty dollars bill. It's

1479
01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:39,200
Speaker 1: still some old slave ship. So all this is yours? Yeah, yes, sir,

1480
01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:42,719
Speaker 1: And what you're gonna do with it? I'm gonna build

1481
01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:47,560
Speaker 1: five properties, So it's my first community. I'm getting into development.

1482
01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:50,479
Speaker 1: I'm super Anybody has ever been to any of my

1483
01:33:50,520 --> 01:33:54,640
Speaker 1: cribs knows I'm super into developing homes. It's just the

1484
01:33:54,760 --> 01:33:59,519
Speaker 1: next frontier for me to develop. So that's why you

1485
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:03,000
Speaker 1: design it boots and ships so you can do the hiking.

1486
01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:05,640
Speaker 1: Yeah see you got you got the Nikes. Shit have

1487
01:34:05,720 --> 01:34:08,960
Speaker 1: the easy boots and Nike's just trashed for hiking. But listen,

1488
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:11,439
Speaker 1: it's crazy though, because you got this whole plan, three

1489
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:13,639
Speaker 1: hundred acres of land, you want to build a community

1490
01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:16,200
Speaker 1: on it. Why does the Kanye West don't need nobody?

1491
01:34:16,479 --> 01:34:17,880
Speaker 1: So that goes back to what we were talking about

1492
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:20,000
Speaker 1: with with Trump. You don't need to meet with Trump.

1493
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:23,360
Speaker 1: You you yay, you didn't had a state of your

1494
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:30,040
Speaker 1: own ship. Yeah, I feel that, you know. But I

1495
01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:37,840
Speaker 1: love real change. I love, you know, challenging the norm.

1496
01:34:38,439 --> 01:34:40,680
Speaker 1: I love. I love people who don't love them. I

1497
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:43,080
Speaker 1: love the fact that they're speaking up and everybody's just

1498
01:34:43,160 --> 01:34:47,000
Speaker 1: giving their opinions, everybody's expressing themselves. I love. I love

1499
01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:48,760
Speaker 1: that I've been waiting. I's like I've been waiting for

1500
01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:50,840
Speaker 1: this moment in time. It's just like a yay moment

1501
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:52,920
Speaker 1: in time and stuff when people are you know, my

1502
01:34:53,080 --> 01:34:56,799
Speaker 1: dad is an activist, and you know, my my mom's activists,

1503
01:34:56,800 --> 01:34:59,920
Speaker 1: who's in marches and stuff. I feel like that energy

1504
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:04,360
Speaker 1: all coming to a head. You know. Now, I refused

1505
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:11,479
Speaker 1: to believe that your mother would love Donald Trump. Hmm,

1506
01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:18,559
Speaker 1: I got have difference opinion from my mom. True. True,

1507
01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:20,439
Speaker 1: But what about when you see like, because you know,

1508
01:35:20,680 --> 01:35:22,479
Speaker 1: it's people that's watching this right now and they're like, yo,

1509
01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:25,640
Speaker 1: you know Donald Trump is getting our family deported, and

1510
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:28,640
Speaker 1: you know, like especially you right now, you've got this

1511
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:31,439
Speaker 1: whole economic empowerment thing going on, but you got a

1512
01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:34,599
Speaker 1: guy like him who's clearly trying to marginalize and oppress

1513
01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:36,200
Speaker 1: people people that look like you. You don't want to

1514
01:35:36,240 --> 01:35:39,599
Speaker 1: see people like you come up. Can you still love

1515
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:57,519
Speaker 1: a person like that? Hm? I don't. I don't have

1516
01:35:57,680 --> 01:35:59,720
Speaker 1: all the answers that a celebrity is supposed to have,

1517
01:36:00,479 --> 01:36:10,960
Speaker 1: but I could tell you that when he was running,

1518
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:15,080
Speaker 1: it's like I felt something. It's like the fact that

1519
01:36:15,200 --> 01:36:18,600
Speaker 1: he won, it's like it proved something. It proved that

1520
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:23,800
Speaker 1: anything is possible in America, that Donald Trump could be

1521
01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:26,519
Speaker 1: president of America. I'm not talking about, you know, what

1522
01:36:26,640 --> 01:36:29,080
Speaker 1: he's done since he's been in office, but the fact

1523
01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:30,720
Speaker 1: that he was able to do it. Like, remember I

1524
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:32,479
Speaker 1: said I was going to run for president. I had

1525
01:36:32,520 --> 01:36:34,400
Speaker 1: people that was close to me, friends of mine, like

1526
01:36:34,640 --> 01:36:38,760
Speaker 1: making jokes, making memes, talking shit, And now it's like, oh,

1527
01:36:38,920 --> 01:36:42,840
Speaker 1: that was proven that that could have happened. Yeah, So

1528
01:36:43,479 --> 01:36:45,520
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying. I felt the non conventional,

1529
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:47,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, even from what we're doing

1530
01:36:47,240 --> 01:36:50,040
Speaker 1: in fashion, to me being a kid with the pink polos,

1531
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:53,200
Speaker 1: to me being outspoken, to me being ostracized because the

1532
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:56,040
Speaker 1: de Tailor Swift thing or the George Bush thing, or

1533
01:36:56,640 --> 01:37:00,320
Speaker 1: you know who I'm dating, who I'm marrying, and I'm

1534
01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:04,120
Speaker 1: talking about like all of this is like an outsider thing.

1535
01:37:04,720 --> 01:37:08,160
Speaker 1: You know. So when I see an outsider infiltrate, I

1536
01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:12,080
Speaker 1: connect with that. So maybe that's what you like the idea, Yeah,

1537
01:37:12,280 --> 01:37:15,840
Speaker 1: not necessarily the idea of Donald Trump with the idea

1538
01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:19,720
Speaker 1: of an outside of infiltrating. Yeah, I like that. It

1539
01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:23,640
Speaker 1: showed you that anything it's possible, shows you that it

1540
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:29,800
Speaker 1: doesn't even like Virgil working at Louis Vuitton, Trump being

1541
01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:34,040
Speaker 1: in office, it's a time for the unconventional. I'm very

1542
01:37:34,280 --> 01:37:37,720
Speaker 1: I'm not a traditional thinker. I'm a nonconformist, you know.

1543
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:41,400
Speaker 1: So that relates to the nonconformist part of me now,

1544
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:44,320
Speaker 1: you know. But I'm also I'm a producer. I like

1545
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:46,600
Speaker 1: to segue things. I like to take otis chop it

1546
01:37:46,720 --> 01:37:48,559
Speaker 1: up through it like this. So what's the a version.

1547
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:52,160
Speaker 1: The a version of be the Trump campaign and maybe

1548
01:37:52,240 --> 01:37:56,479
Speaker 1: the Bernie Sanders principles. That would be my mix and stuff.

1549
01:37:56,720 --> 01:38:01,080
Speaker 1: But I think both had you know, you know, I

1550
01:38:01,280 --> 01:38:05,360
Speaker 1: needed you know, I hit the glass ceiling. Have you

1551
01:38:05,439 --> 01:38:07,920
Speaker 1: ever seen a bird flying to a window. They don't

1552
01:38:07,960 --> 01:38:11,120
Speaker 1: know it's glass. That was me when I hit that hospital.

1553
01:38:11,240 --> 01:38:13,560
Speaker 1: That was a bird flying into the window. And you

1554
01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:15,920
Speaker 1: know I could have, you know, not made it out

1555
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:18,640
Speaker 1: of it. But I survived and ship. But it's um

1556
01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:24,960
Speaker 1: are you scared of that happening again? You haven't a

1557
01:38:25,080 --> 01:38:35,599
Speaker 1: breakdown or breakthrough? Nah? Nah, I'm happy it happened. I'm

1558
01:38:35,640 --> 01:38:39,040
Speaker 1: happy to see have gone to the other side and back.

1559
01:38:40,040 --> 01:38:41,800
Speaker 1: You know, there's some things when it happened. I do

1560
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:44,479
Speaker 1: want to I want to speak on I want to

1561
01:38:44,520 --> 01:38:47,840
Speaker 1: point out the moment when you're in the hospital bed

1562
01:38:48,200 --> 01:38:50,800
Speaker 1: and you're next to your friend and you tell them

1563
01:38:51,200 --> 01:38:53,720
Speaker 1: don't let this person leave my side, and they put

1564
01:38:53,800 --> 01:38:58,760
Speaker 1: you inside of an elevator and take all your friends

1565
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:02,840
Speaker 1: away from you. That was the scariest moment of my life.

1566
01:39:03,720 --> 01:39:05,760
Speaker 1: Was gonna drug you or kill you. I was gonna

1567
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:09,160
Speaker 1: get killed. And you know, my wife wasn't in town.

1568
01:39:09,240 --> 01:39:12,320
Speaker 1: So I told my boy Don and my boy's ky like,

1569
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:15,560
Speaker 1: don't leave my side until my wife gets here. And

1570
01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:20,639
Speaker 1: they have this moment where they're forced to leave your side.

1571
01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:23,519
Speaker 1: That's something that has to change, you know. It's like

1572
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:27,240
Speaker 1: if a pregnant woman is, you know, delivering a baby,

1573
01:39:28,280 --> 01:39:32,479
Speaker 1: guarantee whoever the people, her sisters, the dad, they get

1574
01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:35,080
Speaker 1: to stay next to them till the baby is delivered.

1575
01:39:35,160 --> 01:39:37,880
Speaker 1: Not leave my wife in that situation. Yeah, HSP you

1576
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:40,640
Speaker 1: you are paranoid to everything. You don't believe nothing. You

1577
01:39:40,760 --> 01:39:44,440
Speaker 1: just seeing through all of the simulation. Everybody's phony, everybody's

1578
01:39:44,439 --> 01:39:47,759
Speaker 1: an actor, all the ship and then they make your friends,

1579
01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:50,120
Speaker 1: the only people you believe in, leave your side. I

1580
01:39:50,240 --> 01:39:55,760
Speaker 1: can't express to you like how traumatizing that moment is.

1581
01:39:56,479 --> 01:40:00,360
Speaker 1: And then you waked up. Drugg the fuck out? Did they?

1582
01:40:00,479 --> 01:40:03,679
Speaker 1: So they put you on medication? Yeah? Are you still

1583
01:40:03,720 --> 01:40:06,840
Speaker 1: on any now? Almost? Definitely what they got you on.

1584
01:40:07,120 --> 01:40:11,240
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna say does the medication help? You don't?

1585
01:40:11,280 --> 01:40:12,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't want to tell us what it is,

1586
01:40:12,720 --> 01:40:26,439
Speaker 1: but does it help? Um? It's an imperfect solution. You

1587
01:40:26,520 --> 01:40:29,400
Speaker 1: can just calm me down, But there's a lot of

1588
01:40:29,479 --> 01:40:32,360
Speaker 1: ways to calm down, do we I don't want calm ye? Yeah?

1589
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:37,000
Speaker 1: Well you the calm ya for v Y. You know,

1590
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:38,920
Speaker 1: don't you feel like that ticked a little bit of

1591
01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:43,960
Speaker 1: your superpower away? Though? All this power and being controlled

1592
01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:47,519
Speaker 1: and calm you know, X men really understanding how to

1593
01:40:47,640 --> 01:40:53,320
Speaker 1: really use his uh power or Superman? That's me. This

1594
01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:55,320
Speaker 1: is like, what's the Kryptonite has gone? I got the

1595
01:40:55,360 --> 01:41:01,479
Speaker 1: confidence everything is possible. Building Acres Wraps Stadium tours, designs,

1596
01:41:02,680 --> 01:41:08,160
Speaker 1: companies ideas to ignite the next generations, like everything is possible,

1597
01:41:08,240 --> 01:41:10,519
Speaker 1: you know, And I'm just a vessel and that's my

1598
01:41:10,680 --> 01:41:14,519
Speaker 1: job in the universe as a servant to the world.

1599
01:41:14,840 --> 01:41:17,400
Speaker 1: I have to be me. I'm not as good as

1600
01:41:17,439 --> 01:41:22,000
Speaker 1: a servant if I'm not. Yay you are ya though

1601
01:41:22,360 --> 01:41:26,280
Speaker 1: almost definitely you know you are yea. And I mean

1602
01:41:26,439 --> 01:41:30,200
Speaker 1: like that's why I kept asking, like, well, first, let's

1603
01:41:30,200 --> 01:41:33,200
Speaker 1: talking about something that I know. It's therapeutic for your music. Yeah,

1604
01:41:34,240 --> 01:41:36,799
Speaker 1: I'm looking at all of this, this wild outdoors, this wilderness.

1605
01:41:36,840 --> 01:41:39,960
Speaker 1: Is that why you went to Waywomen? Yeah, you know

1606
01:41:40,320 --> 01:41:43,080
Speaker 1: for what I'm doing And I played you some of

1607
01:41:43,120 --> 01:41:46,160
Speaker 1: the music and you see where I'm going. Yeah, I

1608
01:41:46,280 --> 01:41:49,640
Speaker 1: want to create music that's therapeutic, you know, like I

1609
01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:53,360
Speaker 1: feel real friends, was in the in the territory of

1610
01:41:55,040 --> 01:42:00,160
Speaker 1: what we're creating. Do you feel like the lifestyle out

1611
01:42:00,200 --> 01:42:03,280
Speaker 1: of your your your wife, the mother in law, like

1612
01:42:03,360 --> 01:42:05,200
Speaker 1: that whole family. Do you think that plays a role

1613
01:42:05,920 --> 01:42:08,160
Speaker 1: and how you were feeling like did it get to

1614
01:42:08,200 --> 01:42:11,120
Speaker 1: be too much because you're already a superstar, but then

1615
01:42:11,160 --> 01:42:13,640
Speaker 1: you take that superstar element and add it and it

1616
01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:17,000
Speaker 1: is just like when do you have privacy. It seemed

1617
01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:22,559
Speaker 1: like paparazzi is always around. Yeah, paparazzi. It can't stress

1618
01:42:22,600 --> 01:42:26,920
Speaker 1: you out, But it's all in the inner piece that

1619
01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:29,920
Speaker 1: you can find. You said you don't trust people. Do

1620
01:42:30,040 --> 01:42:34,320
Speaker 1: you trust? Do you trust your in laws? Because it

1621
01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:36,080
Speaker 1: seem you know, we look at the world and it

1622
01:42:36,120 --> 01:42:38,120
Speaker 1: seems like everything is the storyline. Do you trust that

1623
01:42:38,200 --> 01:42:41,240
Speaker 1: they won't turn your life and what you're going through

1624
01:42:41,439 --> 01:42:51,160
Speaker 1: to a storyline? Ah, and you know, of course I'm

1625
01:42:51,200 --> 01:42:54,360
Speaker 1: gonna give you a slick answer on that because you

1626
01:42:54,439 --> 01:43:03,439
Speaker 1: gotta go home, but your fast. But uh like, right now,

1627
01:43:03,880 --> 01:43:07,080
Speaker 1: we're writing part of the story just by even doing

1628
01:43:07,160 --> 01:43:10,000
Speaker 1: this and speaking. I like the way that my wife

1629
01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:14,000
Speaker 1: communicates it. Documents things, you know, as an artist, you know,

1630
01:43:14,040 --> 01:43:17,960
Speaker 1: I think it's good to document ourselves, document are now

1631
01:43:20,120 --> 01:43:22,479
Speaker 1: see if we could recognize ourselves again in a different light,

1632
01:43:23,560 --> 01:43:27,920
Speaker 1: in a different life, what would um? What would what

1633
01:43:27,960 --> 01:43:31,639
Speaker 1: would college drop out? Kanye? He was looking at pictures

1634
01:43:31,680 --> 01:43:52,160
Speaker 1: of Kanye, Now what would he say? I think he'd

1635
01:43:52,240 --> 01:43:57,519
Speaker 1: be happy, satisfied, and he would believe it. You know

1636
01:43:57,520 --> 01:43:59,920
Speaker 1: how people saying I wouldn't believe it. I always believed.

1637
01:44:00,760 --> 01:44:03,280
Speaker 1: I always know what it is. You know this documentation

1638
01:44:03,400 --> 01:44:05,479
Speaker 1: right now, this is just the age forty. This is

1639
01:44:05,479 --> 01:44:08,360
Speaker 1: a version of a college drop out. Yeah, we're standing

1640
01:44:08,439 --> 01:44:15,280
Speaker 1: on my first property. Yeah, so I'm gonna be one

1641
01:44:15,280 --> 01:44:17,519
Speaker 1: of the biggest real estate developers of all time. Like

1642
01:44:17,640 --> 01:44:21,280
Speaker 1: some what Howard Hughes was to aircraft and what Henry

1643
01:44:21,320 --> 01:44:27,200
Speaker 1: Ford was to cars, and just the relationships that I

1644
01:44:27,280 --> 01:44:31,560
Speaker 1: have with architects, my understanding of like space and sacred proportions.

1645
01:44:32,360 --> 01:44:34,920
Speaker 1: Just this vibe, this new vibe, this new energy. Like

1646
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:37,519
Speaker 1: I'm tired of the mc mansion's all the Spanish roof

1647
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:40,599
Speaker 1: homes and stuff like that, like that shit whack bro,

1648
01:44:40,880 --> 01:44:44,479
Speaker 1: Like everybody house whack. It's trash bro. I don't go

1649
01:44:44,600 --> 01:44:48,360
Speaker 1: to except for lessons like a Howard back In or something.

1650
01:44:48,479 --> 01:44:51,760
Speaker 1: It's like the one of the few architects that I

1651
01:44:51,880 --> 01:44:54,320
Speaker 1: liked their homes. I was gonna ask you, what's next,

1652
01:44:54,520 --> 01:44:58,479
Speaker 1: because yeah, he's always predicted what he was going to be.

1653
01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:01,360
Speaker 1: So that's what that's that's the goal. Yeah, We're going

1654
01:45:01,439 --> 01:45:02,280
Speaker 1: to develop cities.