WEBVTT - 10 - Yes, 10! - Dumb Criminals

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, everybody, we are coming to a town ostensibly near you,

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the podcast I'm Josh, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck and Jerry's here too, and we'd like to welcome

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<v Speaker 1>you to what will certainly be the greatest episode of

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<v Speaker 1>thought you should know ever produced.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, this one, I love it. Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 2>This one harkens back to the old days when I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like we weren't very good at this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it really does. Yeah. Yeah, I had

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<v Speaker 1>nothing to add because it does. Dude, I can't make

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<v Speaker 1>heads or tails of this. I'm like, what what bothers

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<v Speaker 1>me about this, this episode, this topic. I even selected it,

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<v Speaker 1>and it still bothers me. And so I started doing

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<v Speaker 1>like a search to try to be like, Okay, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>there is something like inherently wrong with lists of dumb criminals.

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<v Speaker 1>And I looked up, I searched every way I could

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<v Speaker 1>to try to find even just the dumbest think piece

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<v Speaker 1>on what's wrong with dumb criminal lists. No one and

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<v Speaker 1>the history of the Internet has apparently ever even had

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<v Speaker 1>that thought. So I finally just decided to mellow out

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<v Speaker 1>and go with the flow and just share some dumb

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<v Speaker 1>criminal stories for face value.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically, yeah, I'm fine with that. I think we both

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<v Speaker 2>had a tough week. So let's Uh, let's just make

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<v Speaker 2>fun of ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, and some criminals.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey you hey, dummy, that's right, all right, So this

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<v Speaker 2>is a top ten. It's on the other side we

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<v Speaker 2>usually do like eight. You actually have eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, well one of them is zero. I started

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<v Speaker 1>counting as a mayan.

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<v Speaker 2>Would I know. I was like, what are you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to go back and renumber everything else.

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<v Speaker 1>That's fine, so I just added zero. I thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was rather clever.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's just breeze through these in eh oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's not a seven though. This is like the blotder

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<v Speaker 2>episode of stuff you should know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So first up on our police blotter, we've got

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<v Speaker 1>the story of Maganga. Maganga out of Omaha, Nebraska. Mcganga

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<v Speaker 1>was a seventeen year old boy who back in twenty fourteen,

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<v Speaker 1>attempted a carjacking, which seemed to be a step up

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<v Speaker 1>from his usualm which was to rob stores with a knife.

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<v Speaker 1>This time he carjacked a woman in a car with

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<v Speaker 1>a gun, and.

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<v Speaker 2>He thought making her kid to school, right, yes, reprehensible.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was like seven am. I saw something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a seven am carjacking. Either, you got up way

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<v Speaker 1>too early, or you never went to bed. Seven am

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<v Speaker 1>is too early for a carjacking, frankly, but he did,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was it started out kind of successfully for him.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, because mom did what mom should do, which

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<v Speaker 2>is get out of that car, I assume grabbed her son,

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<v Speaker 2>and dude jumps in and realizes it's a stick shift,

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<v Speaker 2>a manual transmission could not drive a stick shift. And

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<v Speaker 2>for evidently about seven minutes, this nitwit, we can say

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I think so. I think this kid definitely proved

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<v Speaker 1>himself a nitwit, a nitweit who had a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>stick touitiveness. How about that?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, a nitwit with a spunk. Yeah, about seven minutes

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<v Speaker 2>of trying to get this car to move just moved

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<v Speaker 2>a few yards, which I imagine was just lurching forward

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<v Speaker 2>while he's popping that clutch. Yeah, finally gives up after

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<v Speaker 2>just a few minutes of that and then leaves on

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<v Speaker 2>foot and is nabbed by the cops.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they said. Some witnesses said that like he turned

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<v Speaker 1>the lights on, he turned the windshield wipers on, just

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<v Speaker 1>trying to figure out how to make this thing work, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And I saw a video of it and he somehow

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<v Speaker 1>the car ended up on the sidewalk perpendicular to the street.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, I have no idea how he got up there.

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<v Speaker 2>Progress.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so he he had just gotten out of jail

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<v Speaker 1>like two weeks earlier from his robbery spree. Before that

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<v Speaker 1>he'd been caught for. I could not find out what

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<v Speaker 1>happened to this kid, like I just saw he was

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<v Speaker 1>charged no sentencing. Usually in stories like this, there's more

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<v Speaker 1>often than not a follow up story, like two years

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<v Speaker 1>later about what happened to them when they're finally sentenced

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that. Couldn't find anything about this kid,

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<v Speaker 1>but I did find out his name means in Swahili,

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<v Speaker 1>it means essentially healer or like doctor, like bush doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>essentially as a maganga okay, and as a last name,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the sixteen thousand, three hundred and first most common

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<v Speaker 1>last name in the world. Well, really, that's what I got. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>that's this kind of episode.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Let's move on to number nine. Okay, with

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<v Speaker 2>mister Derreck Moseley. This is a Sean Connery kind of

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<v Speaker 2>crime because that great line from The Untouchables, you brought

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<v Speaker 2>a knife to a gunfight. Dereck Moseley brought a baseball

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<v Speaker 2>bat and a knife to the robbery of a gun store, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and this was discount gun sales in Washington County, Oregon,

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<v Speaker 2>near Portland. He is, I guess smart enough to go

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<v Speaker 2>in and at least smash a display case and get

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<v Speaker 2>a gun. But because it's a gun store, I would

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<v Speaker 2>say ninety nine out of one hundred gun shops, the

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<v Speaker 2>owner has a gun on their person with actual bullets

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<v Speaker 2>in it.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. That seems to be his failing that he assumed

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<v Speaker 1>that the guns were going to be loaded. He didn't

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<v Speaker 1>account for the people having their own personal loaded guns

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<v Speaker 1>on them.

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<v Speaker 2>One was loaded, But that seems.

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<v Speaker 1>To have been Like the whole reason he attacked the

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<v Speaker 1>gun store was to get a gun. Yeah, like that

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<v Speaker 1>was the purpose. But yeah, it didn't go very well.

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<v Speaker 1>The manager pulled his gun and said get on the ground,

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<v Speaker 1>and he got on the ground until the police came,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was that. He got five years probation for

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<v Speaker 1>it and had to pay three hundred and fifty dollars

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<v Speaker 1>to fix the display case.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Wow, we're really cruising through these, aren't we.

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<v Speaker 2>We're cruising through Hey, we get off early today.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's right. Okay, Chuck, Well it's two number eight.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess number eight A and B because it's this

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<v Speaker 1>is two guys and I sent you the photo. You

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<v Speaker 1>saw the photo, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I did. That was very kind of you. Don't glue

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<v Speaker 2>that because it really paints a picture.

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<v Speaker 1>I would like very much for everybody to look up

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<v Speaker 1>the photo of Joey Miller and Matthew McNelly and while

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about them, how about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and maybe we could throw this on the Instagram

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<v Speaker 2>page too. This was from a crime in October two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and nine, or I guess a sort of a

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<v Speaker 2>near crime. And these guys put on their hoodies. They

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<v Speaker 2>went to break into a guy's house in Carol, Iowa

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<v Speaker 2>because one of the guys suspected that his girlfriend was

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<v Speaker 2>cheating on him, basically with a guy who lived there.

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<v Speaker 2>But their disguise was their hoodie sweatshirts and then what

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<v Speaker 2>can only be described as toddler esque scribbling of sharpie

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<v Speaker 2>on their face.

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<v Speaker 1>You totally nailed it. It is like a Toddler did it.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the lines aren't filled in, like it's just terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't disguise them at all. And ironically it's sharpie

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<v Speaker 2>or some kind of permanent marker. I don't want to,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, necessarily say that they were using the name brand,

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<v Speaker 2>but what it ended up doing was like it made

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<v Speaker 2>them obviously prime suspects for the cop who pulled them over.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because permanent marker is pretty permanent. I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure they're still not walking around. This is two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and nine. I'm sure it's washed off by now, but

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<v Speaker 1>certainly that same night it hadn't washed off. And so

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<v Speaker 1>when they were pulled over in their car, which matched

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<v Speaker 1>the description a witness gave them, they matched the description

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<v Speaker 1>of the assailants who had permanent marker all.

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<v Speaker 2>Over their face to scribbles.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I saw the cops described. I'm just stunned when

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<v Speaker 1>they pulled the car over.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's so interesting when you read about these things

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<v Speaker 2>and these decisions people make. An interesting you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>filling that word in for a lot of terrible things

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<v Speaker 2>I could say. But it's almost like they were like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>let's think of a way that we'll be sure to

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<v Speaker 2>get caught right when they thought it was a disguise.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, I saw a reference in more than one

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<v Speaker 1>place that they may have been drunk when they did

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<v Speaker 1>this better, and at the very least a judge who

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<v Speaker 1>saw them, I think like less than a week later

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I'm just dismissing these charges because there's no

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<v Speaker 1>evidence they actually made it into that man's apartment.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they didn't break in, they.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't have a weapon on them, and nobody got hurt.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're like, these guys their mugshot staying on the

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<v Speaker 1>internet forever is probably punishment enough.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, there's no charge for nit Wittery.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, So that's Joey Miller and Matthew mcnellian. While

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<v Speaker 1>you're looking at that that photo of them, We're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead and take an ad break.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, we'll be right back with more than Wittery.

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<v Speaker 1>Stuffing the Jaws show.

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<v Speaker 2>Stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So check. I want to add this one in because

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's a good example of like you should

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<v Speaker 1>be skeptical even when you're sitting back and enjoying reading

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<v Speaker 1>lists of dumb criminals, right, Okay, Klaus Schmidt is when

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<v Speaker 1>you might come across fairly frequently. He was on a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of lists that I saw. Uh and Klaus Schmidt

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<v Speaker 1>may not have existed as far as I can tell. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I did some research. I won't say it's the deepest

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<v Speaker 1>research has ever been done to try to find somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>But I did look extensively when on a newspapers dot

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<v Speaker 1>com did a few searches. Nothing thing came up about

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<v Speaker 1>this guy. Yeah, I traveled to Berlin and interviewed some

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<v Speaker 1>potential family members. No one had ever heard of him,

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<v Speaker 1>but his story is all over the internet because it's

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<v Speaker 1>just such a whopper of a story, and it's I

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<v Speaker 1>just I wanted to include it, but I also think

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<v Speaker 1>it definitely deserves to be pointed out as probably not true, apocryphal,

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<v Speaker 1>as they say in the Bible.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, now that you've mentioned this, it very much smacks

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<v Speaker 2>of a of an urban legend.

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<v Speaker 1>It does. It does because he's described as a man

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<v Speaker 1>in Berlin who went to rob a bank in August

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<v Speaker 1>of nineteen ninety five.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, Well, I want you to tell the story, though,

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<v Speaker 2>why me? Because you picked this stupid topic.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So Klaus Schmidt is said to have gone into

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<v Speaker 1>a bank pretending like he exists in August of the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety five to rob it with a handgun, and

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<v Speaker 1>he everything's going rather smoothly, like a bank robbery would

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<v Speaker 1>be if it's it's successful. And apparently one of the

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<v Speaker 1>tellers asked him like, do you need a bag? And

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<v Speaker 1>Klaus Schmidt supposedly said, you're damn right, it's a real gun.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how you would say that in German?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you uh now?

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<v Speaker 1>And the tellers apparently were like, oh, obviously this man

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<v Speaker 1>is deaf, not that he misheard, not that he's super high,

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<v Speaker 1>strong and anxious. Right now, because he's robbing a bank,

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<v Speaker 1>he's clearly deaf. So we're gonna go ahead impress the

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<v Speaker 1>alarm that everybody else can hear except him.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. I think we should write a new version where

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<v Speaker 2>they're like, do you need a bag? And he says

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<v Speaker 2>why does this got to do with Schnitzel.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're like, oh, he's clearly deaf, right, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so the alarm he wouldn't have heard is I

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<v Speaker 2>guess if this story is true. So they're like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>this guy can't hear anything, let's just sound this loud alarm.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because that's what banks have, or loud alarms that

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<v Speaker 1>would totally alert any other bank robber. You just have

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<v Speaker 1>to hope that once in a while somebody who can't

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<v Speaker 1>hear comes in and robs the bank, and that's exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what allegedly happened with Klaus Schmidt. But it gets even better, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>because here's a twist that effectively proves that this is

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<v Speaker 1>an urban legend.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. Apparently, according to internet lore, Klaus Schmidt sued

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<v Speaker 2>the bank for abusing his disability.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because they there's no way this is real. Essentially

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<v Speaker 1>tricked him by pressing an alarm that he couldn't hear,

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<v Speaker 1>which led to him being caught by the police. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad we see owait it, But it was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of fun to pick apart. It's so it's great because

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<v Speaker 1>you go on the internet and you read stuff like this,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you're not like looking out for it, you

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<v Speaker 1>could just be like, wow, I got to tell you

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<v Speaker 1>this story of this Klaus Schmidt. It's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>They used to call it, Hey, Martha's Stories, I think

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<v Speaker 1>in the you know, the Inquire of the World Weekly News.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh really, yep, because you wanted the whoever was reading

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<v Speaker 1>the paper, like the husband, to be like, hey, Martha,

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<v Speaker 1>get a load of this one like that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right. We'll go on to number five here

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<v Speaker 2>with James Blankenship in Willoughby, Ohio. This in June twenty thirteen.

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<v Speaker 2>James was trying to rob his own mother's house during

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<v Speaker 2>the day and this very key it was in broad daylight. Apparently,

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<v Speaker 2>got a little rattled and went and hid in a

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<v Speaker 2>cross space nearby. The police got there, they caught him,

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<v Speaker 2>and he his big sort of problem with getting arrested

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<v Speaker 2>was you can't get arrested for burglary during the day.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what he thought.

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<v Speaker 2>Burglary is a nighttime crime. You cannot take me away.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Essentially, when the cops grabbed him and they were

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<v Speaker 1>they're like, what do you mean you can't with burglary?

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<v Speaker 1>It's daytime, and everybody's like, that guy's the dumbest criminal

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<v Speaker 1>of all time. He thought that you couldn't get arrested

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<v Speaker 1>for burglary because it was daylight out. And here's the

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<v Speaker 1>great twist to this, which I found.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a good twist.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently, the old common law definition of burglary says that

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<v Speaker 1>it only occurs during the night time. It's breaking and

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<v Speaker 1>entering in someone else's dwelling at night with an intent

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<v Speaker 1>to commit a felony therein, and that if you commit

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<v Speaker 1>the same act during the daytime, it's a lesser crime

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<v Speaker 1>of presspass So it seems that James Blankenship, had he

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<v Speaker 1>been living in the eighteenth century, would have had quite

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<v Speaker 1>a case for himself.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a question for you, what I meant to

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<v Speaker 2>look this up, But is burglary specifically when there's somebody

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<v Speaker 2>there or does that matter?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh? Oh, I think it definitely matters. I think if

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<v Speaker 1>somebody's there, it's considered home invasion. It's like a whole

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<v Speaker 1>other level like you can in some states, you can

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<v Speaker 1>get life in prison or death penalty for a home invasion,

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<v Speaker 1>depending on what happens and what your intent was.

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<v Speaker 2>The burglary means you have to take something otherwise it

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<v Speaker 2>could just be b and e, right, because I was

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<v Speaker 2>just wondering because the nighttime thing, I mean, obviously I

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<v Speaker 2>knew that wasn't a thing, but whenever I was a

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<v Speaker 2>kid and I heard cat burglar, you always thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was something that happened at night while you slept.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Absolutely, yeah, But of course a burglary can happen

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<v Speaker 1>during the day. But it's just the legal system in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States said we're going to get rid of

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<v Speaker 1>that distinction between trespassing burglary and it's all burglary no

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<v Speaker 1>matter when it happens. Just the mind blowing part is

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<v Speaker 1>that somewhere along the line James Blankenship that old common

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<v Speaker 1>law definition was passed along to him and he went

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<v Speaker 1>with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, actually, here we go. I looked it up.

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<v Speaker 2>Burglary the official definition is entering entry into a building

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<v Speaker 2>illegally with the intent to commit a crime, especially theft,

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<v Speaker 2>but not necessarily.

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<v Speaker 1>Theft, gotcha, So especially theft. I wonder what else it

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<v Speaker 1>could be too.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean there's all kinds of crimes. You'd set

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<v Speaker 2>someone's bathroom on fire and not metaphorically.

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess you would be charged with you'd be

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<v Speaker 1>charged with arson and burglary.

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<v Speaker 2>Then in that case, I guess, I don't know, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>burglar's on of those crimes they can just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>tack on just because you're in someone's house.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, we would make super lawyers, wouldn't we think, So

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<v Speaker 1>we just hash it out in open court.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing I also love most about James Blankenship's story

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<v Speaker 1>is that his mother's house was the one he was

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<v Speaker 1>trying to break into. Like you said, I just love that,

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<v Speaker 1>and apparently she found him and he might Eke and

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<v Speaker 1>like ran off.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I'm just picturing us as attorneys co attorneys in

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<v Speaker 2>court looking up definitions on our phone. Yeah, and the

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<v Speaker 2>judge just being like, do you guys have licenses to

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<v Speaker 2>practice law? I know, no, sir, we don't. But we

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<v Speaker 2>did a podcast for sixteen years where we dabbled in

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<v Speaker 2>legally yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I'd pipe up and be like, and we

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<v Speaker 1>stated a holiday and express.

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<v Speaker 2>This time, I was like, this sounds like something. That's

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what I was thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I would look a lot like Gil from

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<v Speaker 1>The Simpsons in court as a lawyer. It was Gil,

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<v Speaker 1>the guy, like the hard luck guy from Jack Lemon,

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<v Speaker 1>from Glengarry Glenn Ross.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, but was that he was on the Simpsons.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a recurring character.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was Gilnders. Okay, yeah, yah, I see him now,

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<v Speaker 2>kil I remember Gil?

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<v Speaker 1>Now something like look's gotta come for old Gil. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>that would be me in court as your lawyer.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Esquire, should we take a break or keep going?

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<v Speaker 2>Let's keep going.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do one more and then we'll take another break.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So let's talk about the story of Darren Kempton.

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<v Speaker 2>This fellow was in England in twenty thirteen and Abington,

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<v Speaker 2>England specifically. And this is a pretty interesting one because

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<v Speaker 2>not only had Darren Kempton already broken into a house

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<v Speaker 2>earlier that day, so this was Darren's second attempt at

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<v Speaker 2>a break in that same day, but the house that

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<v Speaker 2>Darren chose to broke into the second time, it was

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<v Speaker 2>that house's second break in of the day. Yeah, because

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<v Speaker 2>when Darren showed up to break in found there was

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<v Speaker 2>already a window busted out. It was like this is perfect,

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<v Speaker 2>and went inside. There were police there inside, still dealing

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<v Speaker 2>with the details of the previous break in case earlier

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<v Speaker 2>that day.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's Gil. Darren Kempton is Gil. He is. He

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<v Speaker 1>apparently said in court that he was trying to steal

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<v Speaker 1>so that he could buy presents for his elderly parents

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas presents. He was apparently also addicted to heroin, and

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<v Speaker 1>his lawyer described him as clumsy and pathetic.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so obviously, if this guy's got a serious

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<v Speaker 2>drug addiction, maybe he was buying stuff for his parents.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe not. I have a little bit more empathy here

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<v Speaker 2>and don't want to make too fun of the but

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<v Speaker 2>he did leave a trail of blood from his first

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<v Speaker 2>break in leading to the second, so that then connected

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<v Speaker 2>him to that first crime as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So there was just no way that Darren Kimpton

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<v Speaker 1>was ever going to get away with these crimes either

0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:16.360
<v Speaker 1>one of them. He'd had a bad day.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically he broke into a house full of cops.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like, you don't do that very often. I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>other stories too, I didn't research them, so I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure how true they are of people like holding up.

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<v Speaker 1>There was one where somebody tried to rob a Walmart

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<v Speaker 1>during the shop with a cop day for like the

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<v Speaker 1>local orphanage or something like that. Yeah, and the place

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<v Speaker 1>was just full of cops. There's plenty of times where

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<v Speaker 1>it's just been like bad timing or yeah, you just

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<v Speaker 1>broke into the wrong place at the wrong time or

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<v Speaker 1>tried to rob the wrong place at the wrong time.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not like Darren Kimpton's alone.

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<v Speaker 2>Hunter s. Thompson remember when he with a head full

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<v Speaker 2>of drugs stumbled into the police convention.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, and then he stole the briefcase with the

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<v Speaker 1>drug samples in him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I want to go back and read some of

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<v Speaker 2>his I read, you know, Fear and Loathing of course,

0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:10.000
<v Speaker 2>and which other one did I read Rum Diaries or

0:21:10.040 --> 0:21:12.000
<v Speaker 2>maybe it was Fear and Loathing on the campaign trail,

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<v Speaker 2>But there were a couple of more that I always

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<v Speaker 2>meant to get back to. But I kind of went

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<v Speaker 2>through my Hunter as Thompson pays and and quit reading him.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's such a great writer. I mean, I know

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<v Speaker 2>everyone always just sort of if you weren't a reader,

0:21:23.960 --> 0:21:26.359
<v Speaker 2>actual reader of his, you might think that he was

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<v Speaker 2>just that crazy guy that did drugs and you know,

0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:31.800
<v Speaker 2>made a name doing that. But he was a fantastic writer.

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<v Speaker 1>Just absolutely like one of the better journalists who overwalk

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<v Speaker 1>the earth.

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<v Speaker 2>For just amazing stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that going back to him might be folly though.

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<v Speaker 1>I think maybe I think he's like Bukowski, Like there

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<v Speaker 1>is a specific set of years, yeah, clean, like your

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<v Speaker 1>early twenties.

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<v Speaker 2>You're listening to the doors here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, where you're reading Hunter Thompson and reading Bukowski and yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>all sorts of other things, and that as you age

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<v Speaker 1>it that you might find that you don't appreciate him

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<v Speaker 1>quite as much as you used to.

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<v Speaker 2>I have an admission here, since we're just having fun

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<v Speaker 2>with this episode. In my twenties, I actually bought a

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<v Speaker 2>one of Jim Morrison's poetry books.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I used to listen to American Prayer like ceaselessly.

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<v Speaker 1>That was really good. Yeah, did you like American Prayer?

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<v Speaker 2>It's fine. I mean I kind of. I can like

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<v Speaker 2>there's some real bangers that the Doors did, and I

0:22:21.560 --> 0:22:23.480
<v Speaker 2>can go back and listen to that now and appreciate

0:22:23.520 --> 0:22:25.920
<v Speaker 2>some of those songs. But it definitely, for some reason,

0:22:25.960 --> 0:22:28.679
<v Speaker 2>just feels like a time and place in your life

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<v Speaker 2>when you thought he was like the most amazing deep

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<v Speaker 2>soul on the planet Earth. Right now I'm a little older,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like Jim Morrison, come on.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's weird. For some reason, that same period with

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<v Speaker 1>Bukowski and Hunter Thompson and Jim Morrison is also like,

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<v Speaker 1>upon reflection, very cringey. It seems like a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>times too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, I'm cringing right now whatever that means these days?

0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:53.359
<v Speaker 1>What cringey?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you say? Like me right now?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm cringing right now just thinking about it, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>But American Prayer was good. I'll stand by that.

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<v Speaker 2>Was that? The the song? The book? What was that?

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<v Speaker 1>It was? It was essentially like a sonic book of

0:23:09.320 --> 0:23:12.879
<v Speaker 1>his poetry. At the doors I think put together after

0:23:12.920 --> 0:23:15.760
<v Speaker 1>his death the years and years later, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>like they played snippets of some of their other songs.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like stuff mixed in. Yeah, and the whole thing,

0:23:23.119 --> 0:23:25.920
<v Speaker 1>from like start to finish is essentially one long thing.

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<v Speaker 1>There's obviously like discrete like read poems that Jim Morrison's reading,

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<v Speaker 1>but the whole thing, like as a single package, was

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<v Speaker 1>really well done if I remember correctly. I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to go back and listen to it because I just

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<v Speaker 1>want to I just want to keep it as is

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<v Speaker 1>in my memory.

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<v Speaker 2>No, totally. I mean, why ruin that for yourself exactly?

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I urge you not to go back and

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<v Speaker 1>read Hunter Thompson.

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<v Speaker 2>Ok, okay he's dead to me, Well he really did. Yah.

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<v Speaker 2>You want to take a break now, Yeah, let's take

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<v Speaker 2>a break and we'll do are or should we? Now

0:24:01.560 --> 0:24:03.320
<v Speaker 2>let's take a break. We'll do our top three because

0:24:03.320 --> 0:24:24.560
<v Speaker 2>they're a little more robust stoffy jaws sh shop.

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<v Speaker 1>Soff your shore.

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<v Speaker 2>All right? Next up on the list at number three,

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<v Speaker 2>we have one rubin. I'm gonna say, zaraate.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's how I took it.

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<v Speaker 2>Serati, Yeah, this is in two thousand and eight. He

0:24:41.400 --> 0:24:44.560
<v Speaker 2>was eighteen years old at the time, and he tried

0:24:44.600 --> 0:24:47.760
<v Speaker 2>to ribe to ribe to rob a muffler shop.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like bribing and robbing at the same time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a muffler shop in Chicago. But here's the hook

0:24:55.160 --> 0:24:59.080
<v Speaker 2>is that when he got there, the person working and

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<v Speaker 2>this was the manager, jose Ceda sid A. He said,

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<v Speaker 2>the cash is here, but the cash is actually in

0:25:06.080 --> 0:25:10.520
<v Speaker 2>a safe and only the opener knows the safe code combination.

0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:14.600
<v Speaker 2>And he's not going to be here for a few hours.

0:25:15.320 --> 0:25:19.520
<v Speaker 2>And hey, let's stick it to this guy. You come back.

0:25:19.600 --> 0:25:21.480
<v Speaker 2>I'll let you know when he's here if you give

0:25:21.520 --> 0:25:23.439
<v Speaker 2>me your number and you give me a cut of

0:25:23.480 --> 0:25:27.040
<v Speaker 2>this thing. Brilliant plan to think of on the fly.

0:25:27.760 --> 0:25:30.640
<v Speaker 1>It really is. So Zarati is like, oh, okay, well cool,

0:25:30.640 --> 0:25:33.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm in cahoots with this guy. Here's my number. Call

0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:35.520
<v Speaker 1>me when the owner comes in, and then I'll come

0:25:35.560 --> 0:25:37.280
<v Speaker 1>back and rob the muffler shop.

0:25:37.359 --> 0:25:38.119
<v Speaker 2>It's amazing.

0:25:38.520 --> 0:25:40.359
<v Speaker 1>I'll give you a taste of the money that I

0:25:40.480 --> 0:25:43.919
<v Speaker 1>take from here, right uh huh. So he did, he laughed,

0:25:43.920 --> 0:25:47.919
<v Speaker 1>and then jose Ceda called the cops and tell them

0:25:47.960 --> 0:25:51.119
<v Speaker 1>what was going on. He waited twenty five minutes for

0:25:51.160 --> 0:25:54.480
<v Speaker 1>some reason. But he did call the cops, and the

0:25:54.520 --> 0:25:57.040
<v Speaker 1>story starts taking some dark turns around now because the

0:25:57.080 --> 0:25:59.240
<v Speaker 1>cops are like, this is great. We're going to use

0:25:59.240 --> 0:26:02.000
<v Speaker 1>you as eight. It's decoy and you call the guy,

0:26:02.119 --> 0:26:03.960
<v Speaker 1>but let us get there first and hide in the

0:26:04.000 --> 0:26:06.879
<v Speaker 1>back and like the garage, the workshop of the garage.

0:26:06.960 --> 0:26:08.680
<v Speaker 2>He said, it'll be so great, you're gonna love it.

0:26:08.800 --> 0:26:10.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's gonna he's gonna be so surprised.

0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:12.240
<v Speaker 2>So he got it like an engine block I can

0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:13.879
<v Speaker 2>hide behind. Oh yeah, okay, perfect.

0:26:14.200 --> 0:26:16.159
<v Speaker 1>He's like, I'm gonna pretend like I'm changing oil. I've

0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:17.040
<v Speaker 1>always wanted to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have a jumpsuit for me?

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<v Speaker 1>So, so Ruben Zarati or Jose sid It calls Rubens variety.

0:26:24.359 --> 0:26:26.600
<v Speaker 1>He's like, hey, the owner's here, come on back and

0:26:26.680 --> 0:26:29.760
<v Speaker 1>rob the muffler store that I'm the manager of. And

0:26:29.800 --> 0:26:34.119
<v Speaker 1>so Rubens Zeroty comes back to rob the store. And apparently,

0:26:34.840 --> 0:26:37.600
<v Speaker 1>he said because he sued the City of Chicago after this.

0:26:37.760 --> 0:26:39.840
<v Speaker 1>He said that he got through the door and opened

0:26:39.840 --> 0:26:43.960
<v Speaker 1>it and before anything, before anyone said anything, the cops

0:26:43.960 --> 0:26:46.400
<v Speaker 1>just started shooting at him. So he turned and ran.

0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:49.760
<v Speaker 1>They shot him in the back. It inflicted a life's

0:26:49.800 --> 0:26:52.840
<v Speaker 1>life threatening injury that apparently only surgery would have would

0:26:52.880 --> 0:26:55.280
<v Speaker 1>have saved his life with He did have the life

0:26:55.320 --> 0:26:57.919
<v Speaker 1>saving surgery and then lived to sue the city. I

0:26:57.920 --> 0:27:03.080
<v Speaker 1>could not find out what happened, but his story was

0:27:03.119 --> 0:27:06.080
<v Speaker 1>actually backed up by one of the people who worked

0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:06.880
<v Speaker 1>at the shop too.

0:27:07.680 --> 0:27:12.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, basically they sort of god always they agreed and

0:27:12.720 --> 0:27:16.679
<v Speaker 2>said that I was like my porky pig moment that

0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:20.480
<v Speaker 2>the cops didn't even announce themselves that they were cops

0:27:20.560 --> 0:27:22.280
<v Speaker 2>before they started shooting, right.

0:27:23.080 --> 0:27:28.200
<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, this is a world class Ruben Zerati story.

0:27:28.200 --> 0:27:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Everybody that you just heard like this was real research.

0:27:31.880 --> 0:27:34.800
<v Speaker 1>If you read the Ruben Zarati story, all you hear

0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:37.200
<v Speaker 1>is about a criminal who was dumb enough to leave

0:27:37.240 --> 0:27:40.200
<v Speaker 1>his number, yeah, so he could be called to come

0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:42.600
<v Speaker 1>back and rob the place. And now it makes a

0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:45.280
<v Speaker 1>little more sense and you find out that rubens Arrity

0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:46.639
<v Speaker 1>was shot in the back by the cops.

0:27:46.880 --> 0:27:49.640
<v Speaker 2>It also featured, for my money, one of your best

0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:51.720
<v Speaker 2>jokes in a long long time that was very under

0:27:51.720 --> 0:27:54.480
<v Speaker 2>the radar, which one the one he said the guy

0:27:54.960 --> 0:27:56.919
<v Speaker 2>the cops said, I would have pretend like I'm changing

0:27:56.920 --> 0:27:58.960
<v Speaker 2>oil wanted to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you liked.

0:28:00.480 --> 0:28:01.280
<v Speaker 2>Oh that was good.

0:28:02.080 --> 0:28:05.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, Okay, so that was number three and we're

0:28:05.960 --> 0:28:12.240
<v Speaker 1>going to one zero. So this is the top four.

0:28:12.920 --> 0:28:13.960
<v Speaker 2>I forgot that was a zero.

0:28:14.040 --> 0:28:17.040
<v Speaker 1>All right, I'm you really you're mad about the zero,

0:28:17.080 --> 0:28:17.439
<v Speaker 1>aren't you.

0:28:17.640 --> 0:28:20.080
<v Speaker 2>Well, let's just just really threw me.

0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:22.600
<v Speaker 1>Hey man, we've gotten twenty eight minutes out of this

0:28:22.680 --> 0:28:23.840
<v Speaker 1>so far. I'm amazed.

0:28:23.960 --> 0:28:26.480
<v Speaker 2>All right, let's talk about Albert Bailey. This was in

0:28:26.560 --> 0:28:30.960
<v Speaker 2>twenty ten. Bailey and this was had an accomplice, but

0:28:31.000 --> 0:28:32.560
<v Speaker 2>it was a juvenile, so we don't know the name

0:28:32.560 --> 0:28:35.040
<v Speaker 2>of the accomplice. Said all right, let's rob this bank.

0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:38.040
<v Speaker 2>It's Fairfield, Connecticut. It's a good place to rob a bank.

0:28:38.760 --> 0:28:42.880
<v Speaker 2>And to make this happen quicker, what Bailey did was

0:28:43.360 --> 0:28:46.800
<v Speaker 2>call the bank ahead of time and said, I'm coming

0:28:46.840 --> 0:28:49.760
<v Speaker 2>to rob this thing, so get all that money together

0:28:50.160 --> 0:28:53.000
<v Speaker 2>so it doesn't take us very long while we're in there.

0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:56.880
<v Speaker 1>Like this is one of the stories. This is legit

0:28:57.120 --> 0:29:02.600
<v Speaker 1>like it legitimately happened, just like this CT Insider, which

0:29:02.640 --> 0:29:04.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm guessing is short for Connecticut Insider.

0:29:05.000 --> 0:29:05.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think so.

0:29:05.960 --> 0:29:09.760
<v Speaker 1>They did a story on it after I think shortly

0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:15.680
<v Speaker 1>after it, and that's exactly what happened. Like, Albert Bailey

0:29:15.760 --> 0:29:18.840
<v Speaker 1>called the bank and said, get the bunny together. He

0:29:18.960 --> 0:29:21.800
<v Speaker 1>said some other things too that made the bank really worry.

0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:24.400
<v Speaker 1>He's like, we're not afraid to take hostages and turn

0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:27.600
<v Speaker 1>the place into a blood bath. So the bank's like, okay, well,

0:29:27.600 --> 0:29:29.720
<v Speaker 1>we're just going to hang up now and call the cops.

0:29:29.840 --> 0:29:32.560
<v Speaker 2>Well also said this is key, don't call the cops

0:29:32.560 --> 0:29:35.440
<v Speaker 2>because we're going to be monitoring the police scanner.

0:29:35.880 --> 0:29:38.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, typically banks don't listen to you when you call

0:29:38.480 --> 0:29:41.000
<v Speaker 1>them ahead of time, but also tell them not to

0:29:41.040 --> 0:29:44.080
<v Speaker 1>call the cops. So they did. They called the cops immediately,

0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:46.200
<v Speaker 1>and as they were calling the cops, they went to

0:29:46.200 --> 0:29:48.120
<v Speaker 1>go lock the doors, which is another thing that you

0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:51.480
<v Speaker 1>would do as a bank. But Albert Bailey was one

0:29:51.520 --> 0:29:55.600
<v Speaker 1>step ahead of them because his unnamed juvenile accomplice, who

0:29:55.680 --> 0:29:57.760
<v Speaker 1>turned out to be his sixteen year old cousin, was

0:29:57.800 --> 0:30:00.680
<v Speaker 1>already in the bank and happened to be carrying a briefcase.

0:30:01.160 --> 0:30:04.040
<v Speaker 1>And when they locked the doors, he said, do you

0:30:04.040 --> 0:30:07.479
<v Speaker 1>see my little accomplice over there, Give him the money.

0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:09.840
<v Speaker 1>So it kind of takes a turn. Yeah, this guy's

0:30:09.880 --> 0:30:12.280
<v Speaker 1>calling the bank ahead of time, but he's he's thought

0:30:12.320 --> 0:30:14.160
<v Speaker 1>a little further along than you might give him credit

0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:15.160
<v Speaker 1>for initial totally.

0:30:15.320 --> 0:30:17.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. When I got to that point in the story,

0:30:17.160 --> 0:30:18.960
<v Speaker 2>I was like, okay, all right.

0:30:19.040 --> 0:30:21.840
<v Speaker 1>All right, I may have misjudged you over Bailey.

0:30:21.640 --> 0:30:23.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a little bit. So the cousin's already in there,

0:30:23.480 --> 0:30:25.600
<v Speaker 2>because immediately when the bank was like, well, let's just

0:30:25.640 --> 0:30:27.719
<v Speaker 2>go lock the door. But like that kind of solves

0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:28.760
<v Speaker 2>the problem right there.

0:30:30.200 --> 0:30:33.680
<v Speaker 1>But now they've locked themselves in with the bank robber.

0:30:33.840 --> 0:30:35.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, So the bank robber's in there, which is

0:30:35.600 --> 0:30:37.640
<v Speaker 2>the sixteen year o or the accomplish or whatever is

0:30:37.680 --> 0:30:41.479
<v Speaker 2>in there? I guess bank robber. Sure, And the teller

0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:45.760
<v Speaker 2>actually puts money in the briefcase and the kid left

0:30:45.760 --> 0:30:47.800
<v Speaker 2>the bank. The sixteen year on left with this money

0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:50.520
<v Speaker 2>because I guess it just it still took the cops

0:30:50.560 --> 0:30:53.560
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of time to get there. Police said

0:30:53.600 --> 0:30:56.760
<v Speaker 2>that they when they got there, he was walking out

0:30:56.760 --> 0:31:02.840
<v Speaker 2>to the car outside to where Bailey was waiting in

0:31:02.880 --> 0:31:06.320
<v Speaker 2>his car in a nearby apartment or kind of minim complex.

0:31:07.000 --> 0:31:10.360
<v Speaker 2>But they really did have a police scanner. They surrendered,

0:31:10.360 --> 0:31:14.200
<v Speaker 2>but they had walkie talkies, They had a robbery list

0:31:14.240 --> 0:31:17.800
<v Speaker 2>of things to do, and they had a working police

0:31:17.840 --> 0:31:20.440
<v Speaker 2>scanner tuned into that frequency, so that was not a bluff.

0:31:21.080 --> 0:31:23.040
<v Speaker 1>There was something else that stood out to me. The

0:31:23.480 --> 0:31:27.600
<v Speaker 1>CT Insider story says that the sixteen year old cousin

0:31:27.960 --> 0:31:32.920
<v Speaker 1>wordlessly put the briefcase on the teller's counter, and I

0:31:33.000 --> 0:31:35.520
<v Speaker 1>suspect it is weird. I'll bet it was creepy, but

0:31:35.680 --> 0:31:39.440
<v Speaker 1>I suspect that. I guess Albert Bailey was maybe looking

0:31:39.480 --> 0:31:42.520
<v Speaker 1>out for his cousin, because first of all, he's a juvenile,

0:31:42.640 --> 0:31:43.520
<v Speaker 1>so he's underage.

0:31:43.600 --> 0:31:45.600
<v Speaker 2>So don't say anything yes.

0:31:45.520 --> 0:31:47.240
<v Speaker 1>Don't say put the money in the bank, don't say

0:31:47.240 --> 0:31:50.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm Robin the bank, don't say anything. And essentially, as

0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:53.920
<v Speaker 1>far as a judge is concerned, this kid was basically

0:31:54.080 --> 0:31:57.480
<v Speaker 1>a tool and extension of Albert Bailey, who you could

0:31:57.560 --> 0:32:00.520
<v Speaker 1>argue is being used against his own will. That stood

0:32:00.520 --> 0:32:03.520
<v Speaker 1>out to me. I'm supposing here, but it seems like

0:32:03.600 --> 0:32:07.680
<v Speaker 1>that might have been the idea behind his cousin not

0:32:07.720 --> 0:32:09.200
<v Speaker 1>saying anything in the bank.

0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:11.640
<v Speaker 2>I wonder if they said do you want large bills

0:32:11.680 --> 0:32:13.320
<v Speaker 2>and he said, damn right, it's a gun.

0:32:13.880 --> 0:32:16.880
<v Speaker 1>And they're like, oh, let's press the alarm. They're like

0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:19.920
<v Speaker 1>this seems uncannily familiar to a story I've heard around

0:32:19.920 --> 0:32:21.560
<v Speaker 1>the campfire making s'mores on.

0:32:23.400 --> 0:32:24.880
<v Speaker 2>So there was one more little point to this one

0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:28.360
<v Speaker 2>that you found though, that was pretty good. First of all,

0:32:28.360 --> 0:32:31.320
<v Speaker 2>Bailey had just gotten out of prison seven year stint

0:32:31.720 --> 0:32:37.640
<v Speaker 2>for robbing another people's bank in Bridgeport, Connecticut. But the

0:32:38.320 --> 0:32:42.400
<v Speaker 2>Bailey said this time, he said, you know, I was

0:32:42.520 --> 0:32:46.280
<v Speaker 2>kidnapped earlier, and some guy kidnapped me and he put

0:32:46.320 --> 0:32:49.200
<v Speaker 2>a bomb in my pocket. Yeah, and said that he

0:32:49.320 --> 0:32:51.240
<v Speaker 2>was unless I robbed this bank for him, he was

0:32:51.240 --> 0:32:51.880
<v Speaker 2>going to blow me.

0:32:51.880 --> 0:32:56.560
<v Speaker 1>Up, which sounds very strangely familiar compared to remember the

0:32:56.600 --> 0:32:59.600
<v Speaker 1>Brian Wells story the pizza man, the pizza delivery man

0:32:59.600 --> 0:33:02.320
<v Speaker 1>who really did have a collar bomb put around him

0:33:02.320 --> 0:33:03.400
<v Speaker 1>and forced to rob a bank.

0:33:03.560 --> 0:33:06.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the collar bomb heighst episode exactly.

0:33:06.760 --> 0:33:09.479
<v Speaker 1>That happened the same year that Ronald Bailey said it

0:33:09.520 --> 0:33:14.800
<v Speaker 1>happened to him. That was not a widely known story,

0:33:14.840 --> 0:33:18.080
<v Speaker 1>I think at the time, was it?

0:33:18.080 --> 0:33:19.640
<v Speaker 2>It sort of was. I mean, I don't know if

0:33:19.640 --> 0:33:24.920
<v Speaker 2>it was national. Where was that? Do you remember Eerie Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania, Connecticut,

0:33:25.160 --> 0:33:26.160
<v Speaker 2>same side of the country.

0:33:26.400 --> 0:33:30.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess so people talk between those two states, right, sure, Okay,

0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:32.200
<v Speaker 1>but I just thought that was very odd, same year,

0:33:32.200 --> 0:33:34.360
<v Speaker 1>so I guess he was either inspired by the story

0:33:34.920 --> 0:33:38.360
<v Speaker 1>or it's just coincidence he came up with the same idea.

0:33:38.680 --> 0:33:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that man, that was a good one.

0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:44.320
<v Speaker 1>It was poor Brian wells Man, good lord, like the

0:33:44.360 --> 0:33:47.000
<v Speaker 1>whole thing, that whole if I remember correctly, that whole story,

0:33:47.040 --> 0:33:50.080
<v Speaker 1>the way it's going, it's just so mad cap and

0:33:50.200 --> 0:33:53.080
<v Speaker 1>nuts that there's no ways actually gonna die. And then

0:33:53.120 --> 0:33:56.320
<v Speaker 1>he dies. Yeah, it's just so said. He's just such

0:33:56.320 --> 0:34:00.400
<v Speaker 1>a hapless dude. That just that that happened to Gil.

0:34:01.080 --> 0:34:04.280
<v Speaker 1>He is very much so. And then did you see

0:34:04.600 --> 0:34:06.960
<v Speaker 1>I think it was called Mastermind, the Netflix special on

0:34:07.080 --> 0:34:09.160
<v Speaker 1>the woman who devised that plan.

0:34:10.520 --> 0:34:12.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I saw it back then, I think, yeah, when

0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:13.480
<v Speaker 2>we recorded.

0:34:13.080 --> 0:34:16.480
<v Speaker 1>It, that was good. And while we're talking about I

0:34:16.600 --> 0:34:21.280
<v Speaker 1>just want to shout out, I don't remember the director's

0:34:21.360 --> 0:34:23.799
<v Speaker 1>name well enough to try to pronounce it, but the

0:34:23.880 --> 0:34:25.280
<v Speaker 1>guy who directed The.

0:34:25.120 --> 0:34:27.560
<v Speaker 2>Lobster, Oh yeah, sure.

0:34:27.680 --> 0:34:29.840
<v Speaker 1>I finally saw The Lobster, Chuck, And I asked you

0:34:29.880 --> 0:34:32.520
<v Speaker 1>about it, and you're like, yeah, like eight years ago,

0:34:33.120 --> 0:34:34.640
<v Speaker 1>but you did agree it's a good movie.

0:34:34.560 --> 0:34:38.040
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, it's Yorgis Lanthemos.

0:34:38.080 --> 0:34:39.920
<v Speaker 1>I think, I think so, Yes, that sounds right.

0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:41.920
<v Speaker 2>He's great, Yeah, he is.

0:34:42.360 --> 0:34:43.800
<v Speaker 1>And the thing that turned me on to him was

0:34:43.840 --> 0:34:45.960
<v Speaker 1>I just took a chance and watch the Killing of

0:34:46.000 --> 0:34:49.640
<v Speaker 1>a Sacred Deer Boy and it is just really good.

0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:53.680
<v Speaker 1>It's it's definitely different than The Lobster. But Colin Ferrell

0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:57.880
<v Speaker 1>is just perfect as this just dead pan, bone dry

0:34:58.560 --> 0:35:00.399
<v Speaker 1>character that he plays in both those.

0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:03.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's great. He also did the favorite in the

0:35:04.000 --> 0:35:07.279
<v Speaker 2>Academy Award winning Poor Things from last year.

0:35:08.040 --> 0:35:09.719
<v Speaker 1>Oh I didn't see that. I didn't know about that.

0:35:10.280 --> 0:35:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh, hang on to your hats and watch Poor Things.

0:35:13.280 --> 0:35:15.839
<v Speaker 1>Okay, great, Yeah, I want everything that guy's doing.

0:35:16.000 --> 0:35:17.480
<v Speaker 2>Yea, yea. I wouldn't even tell anything about it. But

0:35:17.520 --> 0:35:20.320
<v Speaker 2>you should also go back and watch his early foreign

0:35:20.840 --> 0:35:24.080
<v Speaker 2>language film out Dog Dog Tooth.

0:35:24.520 --> 0:35:27.279
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I started Alps, which is another one.

0:35:27.400 --> 0:35:29.759
<v Speaker 2>I have not seen Alps, but from his early work,

0:35:29.800 --> 0:35:32.520
<v Speaker 2>the only one I've seen his Dog Tooth, which was

0:35:32.840 --> 0:35:38.200
<v Speaker 2>also disturbing. And he's great, like he's one of the

0:35:38.239 --> 0:35:40.399
<v Speaker 2>sort of brilliant directors working today. I think.

0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:43.000
<v Speaker 1>I think brilliant is an excellent word to describe him.

0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:47.799
<v Speaker 2>And you were kind of bagging on Colin Ferrell Colin

0:35:47.880 --> 0:35:50.800
<v Speaker 2>Farrell a little bit, and I think he's he's great.

0:35:50.840 --> 0:35:52.640
<v Speaker 2>You need to see some more of his good stuff.

0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:55.040
<v Speaker 1>What's his good stuff?

0:35:55.360 --> 0:35:57.840
<v Speaker 2>Well? Did you see in Bruges or.

0:35:57.880 --> 0:35:59.320
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't make it too in Bruges?

0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:03.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow? Yeah, Well then you probably didn't watch the

0:36:03.640 --> 0:36:08.120
<v Speaker 2>recent one, the with Brendan Gleason, the same one, the

0:36:08.160 --> 0:36:11.640
<v Speaker 2>same guy he was in Bruges with the Bansheese of

0:36:11.719 --> 0:36:12.280
<v Speaker 2>Inna Sharon.

0:36:13.480 --> 0:36:16.120
<v Speaker 1>No, but I saw that served up to me on

0:36:16.640 --> 0:36:19.560
<v Speaker 1>whatever streaming service I was watching it on. No.

0:36:19.719 --> 0:36:22.520
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think it's great and it's actually got Berry.

0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:25.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't know you pronounce name Keegan, I guess or Cogan.

0:36:25.440 --> 0:36:28.000
<v Speaker 1>That kid is good. He's in killing of his Sacred deer.

0:36:28.200 --> 0:36:31.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, so you'd probably you'd probably like this, I.

0:36:31.040 --> 0:36:33.040
<v Speaker 1>Think, Okay, all right, well I'll give it a shot.

0:36:33.320 --> 0:36:35.160
<v Speaker 2>Great quirk, quirky Irish movie. Yeah.

0:36:35.400 --> 0:36:37.840
<v Speaker 1>And then I also went back and watched Black Swan

0:36:37.880 --> 0:36:39.160
<v Speaker 1>again last night, and.

0:36:39.200 --> 0:36:41.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, that is such a good movie.

0:36:41.200 --> 0:36:41.960
<v Speaker 1>It's crazy.

0:36:42.160 --> 0:36:43.640
<v Speaker 2>I saw that in the theater and I haven't seen

0:36:43.680 --> 0:36:44.280
<v Speaker 2>it since.

0:36:44.239 --> 0:36:46.279
<v Speaker 1>I saw it because you me and I went to

0:36:46.360 --> 0:36:51.400
<v Speaker 1>go see Swan Lake at Kennedy Center in Stree. It

0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:53.800
<v Speaker 1>was amazing. We stayed at the Watergate and then walked

0:36:53.840 --> 0:36:56.880
<v Speaker 1>over to the Kennedy Center and watched Swan Lake. It

0:36:56.920 --> 0:36:58.920
<v Speaker 1>was I was like, this is probably the most cultured

0:36:58.960 --> 0:37:02.520
<v Speaker 1>thing I've ever done in my entire life. It was great,

0:37:02.800 --> 0:37:03.200
<v Speaker 1>great well.

0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:05.279
<v Speaker 2>Also staying at the Watergate and going to see Swan Lake.

0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:07.520
<v Speaker 2>That was the very seventies esque experience.

0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:11.360
<v Speaker 1>Super for sure. But I like having seen it now

0:37:11.440 --> 0:37:14.520
<v Speaker 1>and then watching Black Swan it just makes you appreciate

0:37:14.600 --> 0:37:16.160
<v Speaker 1>it that much more. It's a good movie.

0:37:16.200 --> 0:37:18.120
<v Speaker 2>All right, here's what I say we do. I'm gonna

0:37:18.560 --> 0:37:21.160
<v Speaker 2>have a quick recommendation of something I've been watching. Okay,

0:37:21.600 --> 0:37:23.560
<v Speaker 2>and I say that in that time, you pick one

0:37:23.600 --> 0:37:24.480
<v Speaker 2>of these two to do.

0:37:25.000 --> 0:37:27.760
<v Speaker 1>Ah, it's like picking between my two children.

0:37:28.320 --> 0:37:29.279
<v Speaker 2>Do we have to do them both?

0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:31.320
<v Speaker 1>No, we can just do one. I already I already

0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:32.480
<v Speaker 1>know which child I'm going with.

0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:37.000
<v Speaker 2>I know. But before we get to that, since this

0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:39.560
<v Speaker 2>is just a sort of a free wheeling episode, I'm

0:37:39.560 --> 0:37:43.800
<v Speaker 2>going to recommend the great great show Ripley. Oh really

0:37:43.840 --> 0:37:45.440
<v Speaker 2>that is on Netflix.

0:37:45.080 --> 0:37:46.400
<v Speaker 1>Right now, The Tom Ripley stuff.

0:37:46.480 --> 0:37:49.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's the talented mister Ripley. The Tom Ripley story,

0:37:49.880 --> 0:37:53.680
<v Speaker 2>but it is told over eight episodes. It is in

0:37:54.640 --> 0:37:57.440
<v Speaker 2>the most gorgeous black and white that I may have

0:37:57.520 --> 0:38:01.200
<v Speaker 2>ever seen. And I want to show out the DP

0:38:01.520 --> 0:38:06.160
<v Speaker 2>the cinematographer Brendan Gleeson. That's very funny, but no, it

0:38:06.239 --> 0:38:12.680
<v Speaker 2>was the legendary cinematographer Robert Elswit, who besides shooting all

0:38:12.719 --> 0:38:16.440
<v Speaker 2>of pt Anderson's movies, he's shot another forty other like

0:38:16.520 --> 0:38:18.879
<v Speaker 2>major movies you've heard of. But he did the great

0:38:18.920 --> 0:38:22.279
<v Speaker 2>black and white work in good Night and good Luck.

0:38:22.520 --> 0:38:24.560
<v Speaker 1>Ah. Yeah, that was good black and white stuff.

0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:29.759
<v Speaker 2>And it's just stunning photography. And the guy who plays Ripley, Oh,

0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:34.440
<v Speaker 2>what's his name? He was in he was in Fleabag

0:38:35.680 --> 0:38:39.040
<v Speaker 2>what's his name? Emily has a real crush on him.

0:38:39.080 --> 0:38:39.920
<v Speaker 1>Brendan Gleeson.

0:38:40.280 --> 0:38:43.640
<v Speaker 2>No, it's a good one though. Andrew Scott, Andrew Scott's

0:38:43.640 --> 0:38:45.359
<v Speaker 2>in it, and Dakota Fanning is in it, and it's

0:38:45.400 --> 0:38:47.960
<v Speaker 2>just really, really, really well done. And I think fans

0:38:47.960 --> 0:38:50.480
<v Speaker 2>of the book or maybe more than one book. Is

0:38:50.480 --> 0:38:51.239
<v Speaker 2>it more than one book?

0:38:51.280 --> 0:38:52.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a series.

0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:55.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think fans of the book series are I

0:38:55.320 --> 0:38:56.680
<v Speaker 2>think it's a lot more true to that. So they

0:38:56.680 --> 0:38:59.560
<v Speaker 2>seem to be pretty happy about it. Yeah. But the

0:38:59.600 --> 0:39:04.200
<v Speaker 2>other guy that's in it is Sting's son, Jeff Ellie

0:39:04.280 --> 0:39:07.840
<v Speaker 2>No Elliott Sumner sting son. This guy he plays Freddy,

0:39:08.360 --> 0:39:10.200
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, who is this guy? Where have

0:39:10.239 --> 0:39:12.840
<v Speaker 2>I seen him? I was like, Oh, it's young Sting basically.

0:39:12.960 --> 0:39:14.279
<v Speaker 1>Oh cool, They're good.

0:39:14.360 --> 0:39:18.440
<v Speaker 2>Huh yeah, nice, pretty good and looks like young Sting.

0:39:18.960 --> 0:39:21.600
<v Speaker 1>Okay, well I will check it out. I do have

0:39:21.600 --> 0:39:25.880
<v Speaker 1>a question though, did you watch all eight episodes yet? No?

0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:29.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm on. I think we finished six last night, so

0:39:29.920 --> 0:39:30.839
<v Speaker 2>I got a couple more.

0:39:31.280 --> 0:39:34.680
<v Speaker 1>So that's my problem with a like limited series as

0:39:34.719 --> 0:39:40.560
<v Speaker 1>they start out like like like Gangbusters basically, and then

0:39:40.560 --> 0:39:43.399
<v Speaker 1>they just peter out like a episode four or five,

0:39:43.800 --> 0:39:48.319
<v Speaker 1>six sometimes, and I like, it's just almost all of them.

0:39:48.360 --> 0:39:51.239
<v Speaker 1>Do they're so rare that they make it through all

0:39:51.280 --> 0:39:54.600
<v Speaker 1>eight episodes or ten episodes or whatever where you're not like, yep,

0:39:54.680 --> 0:39:56.720
<v Speaker 1>didn't need two of those episodes easily.

0:39:57.440 --> 0:39:59.600
<v Speaker 2>This is doesn't feel padded to me. It's it's really

0:39:59.600 --> 0:40:01.439
<v Speaker 2>really good so far, and I don't think it'll peter

0:40:01.520 --> 0:40:05.440
<v Speaker 2>out because it's just getting sort of climaxy in the

0:40:05.480 --> 0:40:06.359
<v Speaker 2>here toward the end.

0:40:06.800 --> 0:40:08.480
<v Speaker 1>I have to say, Chuck, it just struck me as

0:40:08.640 --> 0:40:12.160
<v Speaker 1>ridiculously audacious for me to be complaining about people patting

0:40:12.520 --> 0:40:16.440
<v Speaker 1>their series in the middle of this episode. That's pretty

0:40:16.600 --> 0:40:17.279
<v Speaker 1>pretty rich.

0:40:18.000 --> 0:40:19.960
<v Speaker 2>All right, So we'll finish up. But I also should

0:40:19.960 --> 0:40:24.200
<v Speaker 2>recommend Fallout, the TV show about the video game Fallout,

0:40:24.200 --> 0:40:26.400
<v Speaker 2>one of the video games I played on Amazon Prime

0:40:26.440 --> 0:40:29.400
<v Speaker 2>with the great, great great Walton Goggins, one of my favorites.

0:40:29.480 --> 0:40:32.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, got you snuck one more in? Huh, well, that

0:40:32.040 --> 0:40:33.720
<v Speaker 1>means we're doing the last two of these.

0:40:34.080 --> 0:40:38.440
<v Speaker 2>Now, No, no, don't punish me. Let's talk about Dennis Hawkins. Hey, nope,

0:40:38.840 --> 0:40:39.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh you want to do the last guy?

0:40:40.040 --> 0:40:41.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you didn't like the last guy?

0:40:42.200 --> 0:40:44.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, I thought you were gonna go with Dennis Hawkins.

0:40:44.320 --> 0:40:46.560
<v Speaker 1>No, I thought the last guy had a great twist

0:40:46.600 --> 0:40:48.120
<v Speaker 1>to it. But all right, let's.

0:40:48.040 --> 0:40:50.520
<v Speaker 2>Let's do it. James Washington. Everyone can look up Dennis

0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:51.799
<v Speaker 2>Hawkins if they want to know about him.

0:40:51.920 --> 0:40:54.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there you go, great idea. Look up Dennis Hawkins

0:40:54.680 --> 0:40:57.359
<v Speaker 1>and you'll pretty much get the whole the whole thing,

0:40:57.480 --> 0:41:00.960
<v Speaker 1>just from looking at a picture of them. All right, me, So,

0:41:01.120 --> 0:41:05.560
<v Speaker 1>James Washington, is this guy who was doing fifteen in

0:41:05.560 --> 0:41:09.400
<v Speaker 1>a Clink in Nashville back in two thousand and nine.

0:41:09.560 --> 0:41:11.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how far he was into his fifteen

0:41:11.440 --> 0:41:14.120
<v Speaker 1>year sentence, but he was definitely in there for attempted murder.

0:41:14.840 --> 0:41:17.920
<v Speaker 1>And he was pretty young, age forty seven when he

0:41:18.000 --> 0:41:22.640
<v Speaker 1>suffered a heart attack in prison and was taken to

0:41:22.640 --> 0:41:24.640
<v Speaker 1>the hospital and he was like, I don't think I'm

0:41:24.640 --> 0:41:27.120
<v Speaker 1>going to make it. And I guess his conscience was

0:41:27.120 --> 0:41:29.719
<v Speaker 1>bothering him because he had to get something off of

0:41:29.760 --> 0:41:30.320
<v Speaker 1>his chest.

0:41:30.360 --> 0:41:35.600
<v Speaker 2>He decided that's right, as happened. Sometimes you hear about

0:41:35.600 --> 0:41:39.440
<v Speaker 2>this in prison, when someone is dying or something in

0:41:39.560 --> 0:41:42.360
<v Speaker 2>jail or in prison, they will admit to other crimes.

0:41:42.760 --> 0:41:45.000
<v Speaker 2>And that's exactly what happened in this case. When he

0:41:46.120 --> 0:41:48.799
<v Speaker 2>told the prison guard, Hey, come over here, and the

0:41:48.840 --> 0:41:50.800
<v Speaker 2>guy came over there and he was like, I actually

0:41:50.880 --> 0:41:55.640
<v Speaker 2>murdered Joyce Goodner back in nineteen ninety five. I'm dying

0:41:55.960 --> 0:41:57.520
<v Speaker 2>and I just had to get this off my chest.

0:41:57.800 --> 0:42:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he said, I killed somebody. I beat her to death.

0:42:00.520 --> 0:42:03.160
<v Speaker 1>The guard said that was James Tomlinson, who was the guard.

0:42:03.200 --> 0:42:06.960
<v Speaker 1>He just happened to be the closest person and that

0:42:07.160 --> 0:42:10.680
<v Speaker 1>would have probably been that had James Washington died, but

0:42:10.800 --> 0:42:13.400
<v Speaker 1>he actually took a turn for the better and recovered.

0:42:13.920 --> 0:42:15.759
<v Speaker 1>And when it became clear to him that he wasn't

0:42:15.760 --> 0:42:18.239
<v Speaker 1>going to die, he said, you remember that thing that

0:42:18.320 --> 0:42:20.319
<v Speaker 1>I confessed to you. I want to go ahead and

0:42:20.320 --> 0:42:20.880
<v Speaker 1>recant that.

0:42:21.600 --> 0:42:24.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And they said, no, takes these back siaes. No,

0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:29.840
<v Speaker 2>we suspected you to begin with. Apparently this was in Nashville,

0:42:30.480 --> 0:42:33.239
<v Speaker 2>and they knew that he had met with Goodner on

0:42:33.360 --> 0:42:35.279
<v Speaker 2>the day of her murder. He was a person of

0:42:35.360 --> 0:42:37.839
<v Speaker 2>interest in the case, but they just didn't have enough

0:42:37.840 --> 0:42:41.880
<v Speaker 2>to press charges against and it was an unsolved case.

0:42:41.920 --> 0:42:44.759
<v Speaker 2>But he confessed and they said, all right, I'm glad

0:42:44.800 --> 0:42:47.759
<v Speaker 2>you're feeling better. Let's just add a life sentence to

0:42:47.840 --> 0:42:49.480
<v Speaker 2>your already long sentence.

0:42:49.600 --> 0:42:52.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So he got convicted of it for his own

0:42:53.080 --> 0:42:56.279
<v Speaker 1>confession that he couldn't take back, and he didn't die.

0:42:56.360 --> 0:42:59.960
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's pretty ironic. He didn't die, So got

0:43:00.200 --> 0:43:04.239
<v Speaker 1>life in prison. That's right, You got anything else? We

0:43:04.280 --> 0:43:05.759
<v Speaker 1>want to do it? Three or four more of these.

0:43:06.719 --> 0:43:08.600
<v Speaker 2>You know what's funny is when we were about a

0:43:08.640 --> 0:43:11.279
<v Speaker 2>third of the way through and it was not much

0:43:11.320 --> 0:43:14.279
<v Speaker 2>was happening, I was like, oh, you know what we'll

0:43:14.280 --> 0:43:16.880
<v Speaker 2>do maybe at the end, we'll just do some recommendations,

0:43:16.920 --> 0:43:18.880
<v Speaker 2>like so many podcasts do that, like what they've been

0:43:18.960 --> 0:43:21.560
<v Speaker 2>reading or watching. Yeah, I said, maybe we'll just throw

0:43:21.600 --> 0:43:23.080
<v Speaker 2>that in there for fun, and then we ended up

0:43:23.239 --> 0:43:27.120
<v Speaker 2>organically doing it kind of in the last third.

0:43:27.560 --> 0:43:31.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if you introduce the thought of doing recommendations in

0:43:31.440 --> 0:43:33.640
<v Speaker 1>the first act, you have to shoot it all in.

0:43:34.600 --> 0:43:35.319
<v Speaker 1>That's what they said.

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<v Speaker 2>Well done, Thanks well.

0:43:37.640 --> 0:43:39.879
<v Speaker 1>Chuck said, well done everybody, And that means I want

0:43:39.880 --> 0:43:41.879
<v Speaker 1>to finish on a high note, which means it's time

0:43:41.920 --> 0:43:42.719
<v Speaker 1>for listener mail.

0:43:43.960 --> 0:43:46.000
<v Speaker 2>All right, I'm gonna call this I don't know. This

0:43:46.080 --> 0:43:47.520
<v Speaker 2>is just sort of a funny email from one of

0:43:47.520 --> 0:43:51.680
<v Speaker 2>our listeners about the white dog poop. Hey, guys, my

0:43:51.719 --> 0:43:54.200
<v Speaker 2>son is a regular listener. He tells me about your podcast,

0:43:54.239 --> 0:43:57.520
<v Speaker 2>and he thinks I would like NICs And what guy

0:43:57.600 --> 0:43:59.760
<v Speaker 2>do you know that doesn't like to joke about poop?

0:44:00.760 --> 0:44:02.879
<v Speaker 1>But not many, not many.

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<v Speaker 2>I never thought about the change and the color of

0:44:05.480 --> 0:44:07.480
<v Speaker 2>dog poop and the hardness until you pointed it out.

0:44:08.120 --> 0:44:09.839
<v Speaker 2>But I do remember when I was in the fifth

0:44:09.880 --> 0:44:12.279
<v Speaker 2>grade in nineteen fifty five. This is one of our

0:44:12.680 --> 0:44:17.279
<v Speaker 2>elder states persons getting in a white dog poop fight

0:44:17.880 --> 0:44:21.680
<v Speaker 2>with one of our neighbors, Jerry. He had a big

0:44:21.719 --> 0:44:24.400
<v Speaker 2>black dog and his next door neighbors had a big boxer,

0:44:24.640 --> 0:44:26.719
<v Speaker 2>so there were massive amounts of white dog poop in

0:44:26.760 --> 0:44:30.040
<v Speaker 2>both yards. I had an advantage because I wasn't wearing oh,

0:44:30.080 --> 0:44:34.239
<v Speaker 2>because I was wearing gloves, and Cherry wasn't. The dog

0:44:34.280 --> 0:44:37.000
<v Speaker 2>poop we were throwing was white and hard. I don't

0:44:37.040 --> 0:44:39.799
<v Speaker 2>remember who won. It stopped when we ran out of

0:44:39.920 --> 0:44:44.680
<v Speaker 2>white poop. The fight probably resulted in a tie. Laughing

0:44:44.719 --> 0:44:49.280
<v Speaker 2>crying emoji. And that is from dear listener Alan White

0:44:49.440 --> 0:44:52.160
<v Speaker 2>and Alan, this just struck me as very cute and

0:44:52.200 --> 0:44:54.280
<v Speaker 2>funny and kind of perfect for this episode.

0:44:54.400 --> 0:44:57.680
<v Speaker 1>That is a great, great, great email. Thank you very much.

0:44:57.719 --> 0:45:01.080
<v Speaker 1>Who was it that was, Alan, Alan, that's a great one. Alan.

0:45:01.520 --> 0:45:03.880
<v Speaker 1>That's the great thing about growing up at that age.

0:45:04.080 --> 0:45:04.600
<v Speaker 2>That's right.

0:45:04.719 --> 0:45:06.720
<v Speaker 1>You used to be able to throw poop at one another,

0:45:06.760 --> 0:45:09.200
<v Speaker 1>and some kids wouldn't even wear gloves when they did

0:45:09.239 --> 0:45:11.760
<v Speaker 1>it like that. It was just that kind of lucy,

0:45:11.800 --> 0:45:12.759
<v Speaker 1>goosey time, you know.

0:45:12.880 --> 0:45:15.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, not like these coddle kids these days with their

0:45:15.440 --> 0:45:16.160
<v Speaker 2>poop gloves.

0:45:16.400 --> 0:45:20.640
<v Speaker 1>Now they wear two pairs of gloves when they throw poop. Well,

0:45:20.640 --> 0:45:22.080
<v Speaker 1>thanks a lot. If you want to be like Alan

0:45:22.120 --> 0:45:24.560
<v Speaker 1>and reminisce with us, we love that kind of stuff.

0:45:25.080 --> 0:45:28.279
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0:45:28.320 --> 0:45:34.280
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