WEBVTT - Oops: Biden Classified Docs Fiasco 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:04.000 Welcome it's verdict to a center. Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:07.360 with you. And if you are excited that Joe Biden 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:11.719 might be going to prison for classified documents found in 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:16.800 an office, well you've got to be disappointed. I just, senator, 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:21.319 is this whole story? I'll give you my theory. I 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:25.040 think that they have set this up to say, look 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:27.680 at how you should handle this. This will be used 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:30.600 as precedent to then say Donald Trump, as a horrible person, 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:34.040 deserves to be indicted and even go to jail for this. 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:36.800 This has been done too perfectly. And I'll ask you, 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:40.280 as a former i'd say former lawyer, practicing lawyer, when 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:45.360 was the last time you hired a lawyer to move 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:48.040 your office like a as a mover. And he's like, oh, 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:51.080 my lawyers were packing up an office, an old office. 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:54.280 I don't buy that for a second. Well, to be fair, 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:57.200 my wife Heidi has used me to move office more 0:00:57.200 --> 0:01:02.600 than once, but that's more a matrimonial thing. Get a professional. Yeah. Look, 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:05.200 let me start out by saying, when this news broke, 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:10.479 I immediately jumped on Twitter and tweeted a very simple tweet, 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:16.240 convene a grand Jury's like it now I don't actually 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:20.679 mean convene a grand jury. But the reason I tweeted 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:24.240 it is because if you're a leftist, if you're a journalist, 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:26.440 if you're a Democrat, if you're an operative, if you're 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:28.640 one of the gazillion Twitter trolls that are out there, 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:31.880 and you see that convene a grand jury, make your 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:35.120 head explode. So you've got to say, no, f and wait, 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:41.240 do not convene a grand jury because and I really 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:44.959 wanted to hear the becauses. I really wanted to hear 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:49.720 why Lefty's explaining why we should not convene a grand 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:55.440 jury and listen, this episode I think demonstrates absolute and 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:59.840 complete hypocrisy. This episode demonstrates one of the things that 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:03.280 you and I said on this podcast when the Marlaga 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:07.600 raid happened, when the media was hyper ventilating over Oh 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:15.480 my goodness, there were documents and Trump's archives. Every president 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:21.600 of modern times has had documents, and there's been an 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:24.560 ongoing back and forth. When presidents leave, they take documents, 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:30.119 They write autobiographies, they write memoirs, they write books. This 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:32.600 has been true with George W. Bush, This has been 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:35.160 true with Bill Clinton. This has been true with Barack Obama, 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:39.240 and you know what, this is true with Joseph Robinette 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:45.440 Biden Jr. The problem here, so you suggested they're doing 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:48.200 this is like a it's just too perfect. This story 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:50.840 is too perfect. My lawyers are packing at my office. 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:54.480 We then contacted the authorities immediately. We then went to 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:57.680 the DJ We followed the protocol. We let them have 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:00.919 them within twenty four hours. It's too perfect. Okay, So 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:04.200 I don't agree with you, all right, then, please explain 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:06.400 to me what I'm missing. Look, I don't think it's perfect. 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:10.360 I think the Biden guys are crying and like, oh crap. 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:13.160 I think they were packing it up and they discovered 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:15.080 and they said, oh crap. And they did decide to 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:19.120 turn it in. So look, that's the right thing to do. Sure, 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:22.480 but I don't think this was orchestrated at all. I 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:26.360 think this hurts them profoundly. Okay, So where were these documents. 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:31.040 They were at an organization that is entitled the Biden 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:36.160 Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement at the University of Pennsylvania. Now, 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:38.760 what is the Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement, 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:44.680 among other things? In an institution that has received fifty 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:49.680 four point six million dollars in donations from communist China. 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:53.440 So I want you to think about this, Hunter Biden 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:57.040 is out doing business with China, making millions of dollars. 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:01.360 He's earning of dollars and loans on top of that 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:03.680 ten percent for the big guy. That big guy would 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:08.040 be Joe Biden the president right now. And at the 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:11.600 same time, China is giving fifty four point six million 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:15.280 dollars to the Joseph Biden Center at the University of Pennsylvania. 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:17.880 And it just so happens this center that is being 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:22.279 funded and very significant part by communists, China has classified 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:27.719 documents there illegally. I gotta say, if you're a Democrat, 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:29.600 I don't care how machievellen you are. I don't care 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:32.599 how much you're like, Okay, I'm trying to think not 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:37.320 four dimensional chess, but nine dimensional chess. This is zero 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:41.400 dimensional chess. This is just a frigging mess. So the 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:44.880 Democrats are not happy about this. But the beauty of 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:49.000 it is it illustrates the utter and complete hypocrisy of 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:52.320 the press and all the Democrats because if they explain, 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:55.680 if they try to dismiss it away, well look, he 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:58.280 was vice president. He had lots documents. He at things 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:01.640 in there. You know it. It's part of the natural process. 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:05.000 Oh wait, wait, this kind of undermines our narrative that 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:10.480 Donald Trump is a master spy committing espionage. By the way, 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:14.200 you want to know someone who actually committed serious crimes 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:18.200 with classified documents. Have you ever heard of Sandy Burger? Yeah, 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:21.640 Sandy Burger was Bill Clinton's National security advisor. He went 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:26.480 into a classified dance, right, classified skiff, which is so, 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:28.560 have you ever been in a skiff? I've not, Okay, 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:31.560 I've been in a skiff many times. A skiff is 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:35.880 a big secured room with like big heavy metal doors, 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:39.720 and it's a skiff is designed so like you can 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:41.960 have you can take no electronics in there. So when 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:43.680 you go into a skiff, you gotta give your cell phone, 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:45.280 you gotta give. I wear a fit bet on my 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:46.840 rich you gotta give your fit bet. You gotta give 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:49.080 like everything you have no electronics you go in there, 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:52.640 and it's designed so the Chinese, so the Russians, so 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:56.480 no one can penetrate and do surveillance. It's basically a 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:00.919 steel and concrete box. It's a big room Sandy Burger 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:03.440 went to a skiff of the National Security Council and 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:07.080 he found some classified documents that apparently he found problematic. 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:10.440 And what he did you referenced it. He took the 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:14.960 documents and stuffed them down his damn pants, literally stuck 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:18.720 them down his damn pants, and he walked out of 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:24.960 the room and he got caught. Now, listen, if Joe 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:31.240 Biden were caught with classified documents in his underwear, that 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:35.760 would be a bigger problem. To be clear, I'm not sure, 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:38.479 but okay, only because I know the system's rigged. To 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:40.880 be clear, we don't necessarily know whether Joe Biden has 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:43.599 classified documents in his underwear now or not. I don't 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:49.040 think he would know either. But this is a different scenario. 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:53.440 And when the Marlaga raid happened, we did a podcast 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:55.760 where you and I talked about it, and all of 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:59.880 the media was clutching their pearls and saying, oh, my goodness, 0:06:59.880 --> 0:07:02.360 is the most horrible thing ever. And I made the point. 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:06.239 I said, listen, Presidents, when they leave the White House, 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:10.280 they go to wherever their next location is, they move 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:12.960 a lot of documents out. They are preparing for their 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:15.800 presidential library. So if you want a library, the Ben 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:20.400 Ferguson Presidential Library, the monument to old Miss Tennis. I 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:22.960 love it. See now you're making me think of running 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:25.560 one day. Just for that. I'm kissing up to you 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:29.480 big time. But look, you take your papers with you. 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:32.640 Now do you take the nuclear codes with you? Know? 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:35.240 Because you're not a moron, right, But you take a 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:37.360 lot of stuff with you because it's your presidency, it's 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:40.960 your legacy. It is your legacy. You're looking at writing stuff, 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:43.600 you're looking at history, you're looking at creating a library. 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:50.760 That's what all presidents do. Now, much of the overheated 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:55.040 concern I think about Trump was taking what all presidents 0:07:55.080 --> 0:08:00.520 do and exploding it. Why I think this news development 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:06.200 is so problematic for the mainstream media narrative is, well, 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:08.560 if Joe Biden did it, either it's a big deal 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:10.880 and throw as ass in jail, which they're not willing 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:13.400 to do, or everyone does it and it's not a 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:16.080 big deal, which we mean Donald Trump's documents are not 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:20.000 actually a big deal. So that's their problem, and so 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:23.600 it's why I'm not given to This was a plan 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:26.280 to show, look how moral we are. I think they 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:29.160 were like, oh, crap op op o, crap o, crap. 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:32.480 I think that that was their reaction when they found it. 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:35.080 Did the lawyers pack it up? No, of course not. 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:37.240 That was my question about the big lie. It's not 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:38.880 the big lie. It's usually the little lies to get 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:41.559 you in trouble. I don't believe I had a far 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:44.040 a boss. It was a very senior lawyer in the government, 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:46.599 and when I was a baby lawyer fresh at a 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:48.920 law school. He said, Okay, when you're a senior lawyer 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:51.679 in the government, often people will come to you and 0:08:51.720 --> 0:09:00.520 they'll say, okay, so I've got a dead body. Is 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:04.880 that a problem? And you're sitting there as the lawyer, what, Yeah, 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:07.040 We're not a problem, are you? Where are you out 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:11.280 of your frigging mind? Yes, that is a problem. I 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:13.560 think what happened here was the same that they had 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:16.080 people packing up. They're packing up, they're open a box 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:19.240 and they're like, oh, oh wait, this says classified at 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:23.600 the top. That's kind of a problem. Let's call somebody. 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:25.520 They probably first person they calls, not a lawyer, and 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:27.560 they say, okay, we've got a bunch of documents to 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:31.760 say classified or top secret or say sci code code. 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:33.920 We don't know what they said. We don't know what 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:36.000 they were. I do actually believe them when he says 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:39.040 I have no idea what they were. Okay, that believe it. 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:41.160 But I also believe Joe Biden has no idea what 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:43.400 the classified documents are. They showed him yesterday in the 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:46.240 Oval office. So absolutely believe there's no idea what was 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:50.880 it penned? But somebody found them. Somebody called someone higher up, 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:54.360 and at some point someone higher up in the Biden 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:58.840 organization said, we had a call lawyer, and they call 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:01.480 lawyer and the law layer says, you've got a dead body. 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:04.240 What do you mean. Is this a problem? Yes, it's 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:06.800 a problem. You got a bunch of classified documents. And 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:10.080 so the lawyers said, okay, we're gonna come over, we're 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:12.520 gonna look, and we're gonna unpack it. And oh, we 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:14.600 have classified documents. And by the way, this is what 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:17.679 lawyers do to fix things, is when they discover it, 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:21.520 they go call and try to turn it in. So look, 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:25.560 I get the sort of media narrative of we want 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:28.080 to show the right way to do it. I mean, 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:31.040 it's clear it's too perfect. But nobody in their right 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:35.800 mind would do this this so complicates If the Biden 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:40.080 Department of Justice tries to indict Donald Trump, they will 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:44.840 deal with a thousand questions of why are you indicting 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:48.720 Trump for doing what Joe Biden literally the exact same thing. Yeah, no, 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:52.000 it's so they might say, oh, it's different, it's more, 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:55.880 and maybe it's true. But at the end of the day, 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:59.240 the broader point that they're trying to criminalize they hate 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:02.480 Donald Trump. They don't want him to be elected president. 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:05.800 They want him permanently ineligible. They are willing to say 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:08.880 that again because I think people may forget this. The 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:12.520 whole reason why the FBI, in my opinion, went into 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:15.840 Marlago and the Democrats want this and the dj wanted 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:17.960 this is because they want to charge him with a crime, 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:21.200 so that therefore, if he's charged that crime and convicted 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:23.600 that crime, he would be ineligible to run for office. 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:27.600 So look, let me be clear, Joe Biden and the 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:31.520 elected Democrats in Congress and the Democrats in the White 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:35.640 House hate Donald Trump. They loathe him. They think these 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:39.199 the embodiment of evil, the deep state that has burrowed 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:41.840 into the Department of Justice, the FBI, to the CIA, 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:45.360 to the entire alphabet soup of the federal government hates 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:48.600 Donald Trump, as we've talked about on this podcast a 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:53.360 bunch of times. My most recent book, Justice Corrupted, talks 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:56.960 about how the left has weaponized our legal system, how 0:11:57.000 --> 0:11:59.960 they burrowed into it. By the way, for the folksleist 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:02.280 this podcast. If you haven't bought the book, go buy 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:05.920 the book Justice Corrupted. It'll walk you through. Look. I 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:09.560 revere the Department of Justice. I revere our legal systems, 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:14.000 and I am angry that these partisans, starting with Barack 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:16.959 Obama and even worse under Joe Biden, have turned them 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:19.560 into political weapons to go after their enemies. But the 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:23.640 problem is they hate them so much that the ends 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:27.120 justify their means. So, for example, one of the things 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:31.520 we know about the ridiculous Russia prosecution as there was 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:35.640 a senior lawyer at the FBI who fraudulently created a 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:38.200 fake document and submitted it to a federal court. He 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:42.160 was prosecuted for this. So this this federal lawyer was 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:45.719 going after Carter Page, who was a kind of ancillary 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:49.400 foreign policy advisor the Trump campaign, and the FBI was 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:54.160 investigating Carter Page because he had talked to suspicious Russians. 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:58.800 Now you talk to suspicious Russians. That's not unreasonable for 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:01.120 the government to say, why are you talking into suspicious Russians. 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:05.839 The FBI sent an email to the CIA and said, Hey, 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:10.200 is this guy, Carter Page one of your guys source? Yeah? Literally, 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:12.920 is this guy one of your guys and working for you? 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:15.120 And even to ask that question, they had to have 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:18.160 been tipped off by somebody. You might want to check 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:21.680 with the CIA because Carter Page may be their guy. 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:26.240 And he sends the email, and what does the CIA say? Yes, 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:29.280 he's our guy, he's our guy. He's doing this for 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.920 the United States of America. He is helping us by 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:37.720 talking to sketchy Russians. So what does this lawyer for 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:41.360 the FBI do. He takes the email from the CIA 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:45.240 and he alters it. He creates a fraudulent counterfeit document, 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:49.559 and he takes the sentence he was he was a source, 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:53.200 and he adds the word not to say he was 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:57.160 not a source. Now, let me tell you this, Ben, 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:01.200 if you did this in civil litigation, if you took 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:03.280 a document, a piece of evidence, you altered it to 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:05.480 make it one hundred and eighty percent one hundred and 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:08.520 eighty degrees the opposite of what it was, and you 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:12.520 submitted it to a federal court, you'd be doing hard time. 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:14.920 And someone would be saying, Benjamin, don't bed over for 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:19.640 the soap. That's just the simple reality. If I did that, 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:23.200 you don't get to create fraudulent documents and submit him 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:25.240 to a federal court and get busted and not be 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:29.040 held accountable for it. And that's what the deep state 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:34.120 was doing. And so when you look at this their 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:37.680 degree of loathing for Donald Trump when they went after him, 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:41.200 the reason for the Marilaga raid is they hate him 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:43.680 so much they wanted to go They wanted to prove 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:45.640 him guilty of a crime. But in particularly they want 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:48.120 to prove him guilty of a crime that renders him 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:51.760 ineligible to run for or be elected president. Now listen, 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:54.040 if you're a Democrat, you don't want Donald Trump to 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:56.280 be elected. Okay, fine, there's a democratic process. You can 0:14:56.320 --> 0:15:00.040 go and try to win at the ballot box. But 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:03.640 but they're trying to do here has corrupt the justice system. 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.800 And the day of the Marlaga raid, you and I 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:10.040 did a podcast where I said it ain't gonna work 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:14.280 if they think some federal Court is gonna say Donald 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:17.920 Trump can never be president again. The chances of that success, 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:21.200 I believe are zero point zero percent. Maybe true, you 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:22.960 have a lot of faith in the system that when 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:24.520 you say that there's gonna be good that listen, go, 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:27.040 how can you say that when they just they just 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:29.560 rated mar Lago. How can you say that when they 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:33.240 they made fraudulent documents against Carter Page. How can you 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:35.560 say that when the FBI director knew that the Steel 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:39.680 dossier was a source document from the Democrat National Committee 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:42.840 in Hillary Clinton, and the lawyer was lying to the FBI. 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:45.440 You got to understand why people are gonna listen to you, going, 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:47.920 how can you have such confidence that this is never 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:50.200 gonna happen when we just witnessed all the things I 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:52.200 just mentioned. Because at the end of the day, the 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:55.440 federal courts have not been thoroughly corrupted. Okay, So there 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:57.960 have been hard partisans that are burrowed into the FBI, 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:00.200 that are burrowed into the DJ that have correct up 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:03.280 to justice. That's why I wrote the last book. Look, 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:05.840 I was in two thousand and one. I was what's 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:08.760 called an Associate Deputy Attorney General in the US Department 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:13.479 of Justice, and the Department of Justice is an institution 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:19.160 I respect deeply. It has an incredibly long history of 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:22.560 being a political I've said before, I don't want a 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:25.640 Republican Department of Justice. I don't want a Democrat Department 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:27.800 of Justice. You don't want to right leaning or left leaning. 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:30.760 You want a non party that follows the damn law. 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:33.360 I want an FBI that follows the damn law. If 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:35.720 you're a child predator, the FBI how to catch you, 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:38.480 the dog, how to prosecute you. If you're a mobster, 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:41.640 if you're if you're a money launderer, if you're a 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:44.600 crack dealer, the DOJ, how to go after the FBI 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:47.560 go after you. But if you are of the wrong 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:50.480 political persuasion, and I don't care if whether that is 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:53.520 right leaning or left leaning, it's not the DOJ and 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:57.040 FBI's job to go after people on either side. They 0:16:57.040 --> 0:16:59.800 ought to stay the heck out of it. And I 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:03.400 will tell you, with an enormous frequency, I talk to 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:06.280 people who are either currently at the FBI of the DOJ, 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:10.080 or who are alums of the FBI and DOJ. They 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:13.520 come to me, and particularly the current folks, they're really 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:17.880 upset because they've spent imagine, Ben, You've spent ten years, 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:20.399 twenty years, thirty years devoting your life. You believe in 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:22.879 so life mission, the rule of law. You believe in 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:25.920 protecting people, you believe in protecting kids. I mean, there 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:30.919 are so many heroes that work is these institutions, and 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:36.240 they've seen these rabid partisans take over the senior career 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:42.919 positions and just corrupt them from within. It's fundamentally wrong. 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:48.480 And so listen, were there's some documents that should not 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:52.680 have been at Marlago, perhaps, and the judicial process will 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:56.000 play out on that. But my point is that's something 0:17:56.080 --> 0:18:00.720 that every prior president is done that when it comes 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:04.639 to the documentary history and the chain of custody of 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:08.080 documents from the White House to the former president to 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:11.840 the former president's library and often their negotiations the archives. 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:17.560 When you think of the chief criminal law enforcement organizations 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:21.520 of the United States, the archivists of the United States 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:24.320 of America is not high on your list. Yeah, and 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:27.920 historically there have been negotiations and discussions back and forth 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:31.560 between the archives and former presidents in the libraries, right 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:33.480 even libraries, because they want to see this stuff, they 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:36.240 want to have this stuff, and there's these debates that happened. 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:38.320 I remember when when we were I was going to 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:42.240 the Bush Library opening forty three. There was debate both there. 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:44.320 We saw each other, Yeah that I didn't actually even 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:47.120 know each other very well. That was such a cool 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:49.840 thing because, like I was, I got to be a 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:52.600 part of that campaign, a part of that administration, and 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:55.760 there's history that happened. But I remember the debates even then. 0:18:56.359 --> 0:18:58.800 There were a lot of things that happened, specifically with 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:02.280 the War on Terror Posts nine to eleven that were 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:04.720 fought over of could the public have it, could the 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:06.199 library have it, could they see it? Could it be 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:08.679 in display? Could it be in the in the in 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:10.919 the library, you know, so you can look it up. 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:13.320 Basically you could go in and see parts of the history. 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:15.680 And I remember some of those grand debates because some 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:17.600 people thought the archives were being a little bit over 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:20.920 zealous and like saying no too often when he's like, look, 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:23.680 this is part of the history of my administration. This 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:25.600 needs to be on display for the America. Even every 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:28.359 foreign president wants to tell that narrative. And they hold 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:32.359 on too documents and I will say, listen, in my 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:34.840 time in the Senate. I've read a lot of classified documents, 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:39.440 and one of the virtues of being the Senate, I 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:41.600 haven't had this issue because I don't take classified documents 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:44.800 out of a skiff, so there are no classified documents. 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:47.320 I gotta pull back the curtains so people understand how 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:49.160 this works, because everybody's gonna want to ask a question 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:52.240 about to ask you when you become a senator, do 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:54.920 they teach you the pro to call of classified documents? 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:56.760 Like right away? Do they explain to you they got 0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:58.879 to stay in the in the in the skiff? Is 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:01.040 there a skiff in the Senate side? Where can you 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:02.919 talk about that? And then and then what is the 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:05.720 protocol for that? Ever? You can't make copy like this 0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:09.760 is pretty simple, okay. So in the Senate at least, 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:11.800 there's a skiff down in the basement of the Capital, 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:14.160 so if you're going down there, we go down there 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:18.000 fairly regularly for briefings, and there are hearing rooms. So, 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:20.439 for example, I spent six years in the Center Arm 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:24.119 Services Committee. I'm currently on the Senate Formulations Committee. So 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:27.800 we regularly have classified hearings in the skiff, and there's 0:20:27.800 --> 0:20:30.440 a hearing room and you go in and they have 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:32.560 lots of it's actually very funny. They have lots of 0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:36.280 posters that are sort of scary World War two eras 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:38.840 of somebody talked and people died, and they're sort of 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:43.439 posters about protect classified information. And you go in and 0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:46.360 I and Evan, maybe I take my iPhone, I hand 0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:48.320 it to Gray, who is with me at all times. 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:51.080 I handed my iPhone, I handed my AirPods. I don't 0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:52.600 know if air pods are questionable or not, but I 0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:54.399 just give them to them anyway, why not? And I 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:57.240 give them a fitbit. So you just want no electronics 0:20:57.240 --> 0:21:00.159 because I don't want the Chinese hearing me. Sure, you 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:02.040 go in and you sit. So if it's hearing, you 0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:04.480 sit in a room and the room is I don't know, 0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:07.960 thirty feet by fifty feet, so it's sort of like 0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:10.680 in a hearing room. It's not that bit. It's not huge, 0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:13.120 but on purpose though, design that way, right. It's down 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:16.240 in the basement of the Capitol, and it's designed so 0:21:16.320 --> 0:21:20.600 that no listening, no penetration of anything. And you'll have testimony. 0:21:20.640 --> 0:21:22.920 I've been in that room with testimony from the Secretary 0:21:22.920 --> 0:21:25.520 of State at the head of the CIA, the Attorney General, 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:28.160 the Secretary of Defense, or a lot of times you'll 0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:31.160 have testimony from the Assistant Secretary of State, the Assistant 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:35.240 Secretary Defense, and you'll have classified briefings about then, about Ukraine, 0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:38.080 about Russia, about China. So when people to paint that 0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:41.399 picture of I remember after nine to eleven, there was 0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:43.359 a lot of people that testified on public hearings and 0:21:43.400 --> 0:21:45.199 they would say to the center center, I can give 0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:48.640 you a close classified briefing on that. I can't say 0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:52.639 that publicly. I can certainly give you that answer center offline. 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:55.320 Basically in the skiffs, that's where this room would come 0:21:55.320 --> 0:21:58.320 into play. So I've been to dozens, if not probably 0:21:58.480 --> 0:22:03.600 hundreds of hearings in a skiff where you hear classified information, 0:22:04.320 --> 0:22:08.120 and with some frequency ethose hearings, you're given classified documents 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:10.240 and they'll have all sorts of markings about the level 0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:13.760 of classification, their lower levels and higher levels of classification, 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:16.720 and you could read those documents and my general practices, 0:22:16.760 --> 0:22:18.360 I'll read them the skiff and I leave them there. 0:22:18.760 --> 0:22:20.800 There's no issue for me a classified documents because I 0:22:20.800 --> 0:22:22.720