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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A gorgeous young nursing student,

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Speaker 1: Holly Bobo walks into the woods and vanishes forever. At tonight,

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Speaker 1: her brutal killer to walk free. I'm Nancy Grace. This

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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: I want to thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Okay, oh my stars, you are hearing the heartbroken mother

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Speaker 1: of Holly Bobo begging, begging for law enforcement to go

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Speaker 1: immediately to her home. You hear her stating, I'm at school,

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Speaker 1: she's a school teacher. I'm trying to get to my home.

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Speaker 1: Neighbors heard her screaming, and somebody in camouflage got Holly

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Speaker 1: and that is how this case her disappearance kicked off.

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Speaker 1: Listen to more of that nine one one call off.

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Speaker 3: The pain in the mother's voice is almost unbearable.

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Speaker 1: It's excruciating to hear it. You were hearing Holly Bobo's

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Speaker 1: mother raising the alarm her daughter has been taken by

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Speaker 1: a man in camo. Joining me an all star panel

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Speaker 1: to make sense of what we are learning. Straight out

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Speaker 1: to Shane Dieter joining us from Tennessee form our assignment

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Speaker 1: editor wat and Memphis Chane, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Just hearing Holly's mother is heartbreaking in the nine to

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Speaker 1: one one call. Her voice is sometimes a scream, and

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Speaker 1: then she's begging and she's crying, and the excruciating trip

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Speaker 1: from work trying to get home. Describe where was the

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Speaker 1: mother when she learns this is happening, Shane. She was

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Speaker 1: at work.

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Speaker 4: She is a school teacher and she was at work.

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Speaker 4: I know she was so upset that she had to

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Speaker 4: have a friend or a coworker driver home. I just

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Speaker 4: that call. It was heartbreaking as you heard. I could

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Speaker 4: not imagine the scared that that mother had. That was

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Speaker 4: her baby.

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Speaker 1: That is Holly Bobo's mother. But who is Holly?

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Speaker 5: Holly Bobo a beautiful twenty year old nursing student at

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Speaker 5: the University of Tennessee Martin. She lives with her parents

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Speaker 5: and brother Clint at the family home in Darden, Tennessee.

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Speaker 5: April thirteen, Holly awakens at four thirty am to study

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Speaker 5: for an exam. Brother Clint wakes up to the sound

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Speaker 5: of the family dogs barking around seven forty five am.

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Speaker 5: Looks out to see Holly and a man dressed in

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Speaker 5: camouflage in the garage, Clint thinks Holly and her boyfriend

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Speaker 5: Drew Scott are having an argument.

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Speaker 6: As I listened a little bit closer, I could tell

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Speaker 6: that that was Holly's voice, So I knew it was Holly,

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Speaker 6: So in my mind the male's voice I knew to

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Speaker 1: You know who is her boyfriend? That's who of my

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Speaker 1: our friends at ABC twenty twenty again joining me at

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Speaker 1: All Star panel. You know, it's very disconcerting to doctor

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Speaker 1: angel Arnold joining us fronaw psychiatrist out of the Atlanta jurisdiction,

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Speaker 1: and you can find her at ANGELA Arnold md dot com.

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Speaker 1: Because your day is going along as normal until it's not.

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Speaker 1: And you hear the mother just she can hardly talk.

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Speaker 1: She screams, then she begs and she cries, trying to

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Speaker 1: get the entire community out pronto to help find her daughter.

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Speaker 1: All she knows at this juncture is that a male

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Speaker 1: wearing camo led her daughter, took her daughter after an

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Speaker 1: along the Tennessee River. That's all she knows when she's

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Speaker 1: calling nine one one. There she is at work, she's

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Speaker 1: a school teacher, and she gets this call, and her

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Speaker 1: life will never be the same, Doctor Angie.

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Speaker 6: Imagine Nancy. She has literally no control over what is

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Speaker 6: happening to her daughter. All she can do is try

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Speaker 1: Now, we just heard from our friends at ABC twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: Clant Bobo speaking. He was stating, as I listened a

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Speaker 1: I knew if it's Holly, then she must be talking

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Speaker 1: to her boyfriend Drew. Okay, how did he come to

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Speaker 1: the idea? Shane Deeter joining us from Tennessee, that Holly

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Speaker 1: was talking to the boyfriend.

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Speaker 4: Nancy The night before the brother and Drew, the boyfriend,

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Speaker 4: going Honey. So when Holly's brother heard die and saw

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Speaker 1: This one critical mistake may have cost Holly her life

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Speaker 1: when the brother, by all accounts, well intentioned, looks out.

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Speaker 1: He sees his sister with a guy. They're talking and

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Speaker 7: Clint calls his mother, Karen, at work, telling his mother

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Speaker 7: is turkey hunting on Bobo family property. Clint asks, you

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Speaker 7: want me to shoot Drew. Karen Bobo immediately calls nine

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Speaker 1: shoot him. And Clint said, you want me to shoot Drew?

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Speaker 1: And I think that's when I hung up and call

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Speaker 1: nine one one from our friends at ABC. So what

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Speaker 1: she didn't know, out to Dave Matt Crime Stories Investigative reporter,

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Speaker 1: what he didn't know is when he's told Mom, some guy,

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Speaker 1: I guess the boyfriend is leading her down the trail

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Speaker 1: to the river into the woods. Her response is she knew.

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Speaker 1: She did not have time to explain. Dave mac She says,

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Speaker 1: is just groggy. What he's just waking up. He's like,

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Speaker 1: you want me to shoot Drew. But what the mother

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Speaker 1: the boyfriend wasn't even there. He was miles away turkey

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Speaker 1: hunting with his own father. But the brother didn't know that.

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Speaker 1: He's like, what explain it, Dave.

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Speaker 8: That's exactly what happened, Nancy. All right, Clint was just

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Speaker 8: waking up and he here's the dog's barking. You mentioned

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Speaker 8: that Parry knows that Drew is hunting because he's turkey

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Speaker 8: hunting on Bobo family property. It's actually Karen's grandmother. That's

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Speaker 8: the property they're hunting on. So he's thirty miles away,

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Speaker 8: And Clint has no clue. He's just blurry eyed and

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Speaker 8: think about it. It's early in the morning. Who else

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Speaker 8: That was hervice. She could go shoot him. She knew intuitively,

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Speaker 1: With your mercy.

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Speaker 2: Somebody has my daughter.

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Speaker 9: Now, cars some money and pull kemel what got Holly?

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Speaker 5: Please get everybody looking me out.

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Speaker 1: They're on their way, sweetie.

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Speaker 9: I got everybody on their way right now already.

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Speaker 10: Oh my god.

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Speaker 5: Clint Bobo can see sister Holly with the man in

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Speaker 5: Holly's mother, Karen, tells Clint to grab a pistol and

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Speaker 1: Nine one one.

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Speaker 5: As he walks in the garage, Clint finds bloodstains. Police

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Speaker 1: Minutes, straight back out to Shane Deeter, former assignment editor

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Speaker 1: w at M Memphis. Shane, what is it that Clint

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Speaker 4: Just thought it was his sister having an argument with

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Speaker 11: he did what most people would do, you know, until

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Speaker 11: his mom told him to get a gun.

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Speaker 4: Then he went out and found the blood.

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Speaker 1: So Dave Mac explained to me, when he looks out,

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Speaker 1: they're not walking yet, No, they're kneeling, kneeling, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 8: What really set Clint off, Nancy, because he sees hollye

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Speaker 8: what he thinks is Holly and her boyfriend. But they're kneeling.

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Speaker 8: They're not in a way that he would expect them

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Speaker 8: he didn't take immediate corrective action because he thought that

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Speaker 8: he hears her say no. You start putting it all together,

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Speaker 8: that situation. He didn't see it as dangerous. Somebody on

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Speaker 8: their knees. If they're both kneeling, that's not a dangerous situation, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: the Nevada Police Department, twenty five years in la. You know, interesting,

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Speaker 1: well back at every crime right and you can say

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Speaker 1: known that wasn't Drew the boy friend. He could have

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Speaker 1: called nine one one, he would have done the right thing.

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Speaker 1: But the reality is he couldn't see the guy's face. Ever,

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Speaker 1: he never saw the purpse face. He saw him from behind.

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Speaker 1: He describes him as wearing camo, a baseball hat, and

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Speaker 1: So all the speculation it's the brother Clint's fought, it's not.

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Speaker 1: Clint is not the one that kidnapped Holly Bobo. It's

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Speaker 1: not his fault. He did not see the purpse face.

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Speaker 1: And isn't it true, Shipley that in every case people say,

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Speaker 9: No of course, I mean, and we all regret things

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Speaker 9: that have happened, especially in those stress situations where you know,

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Speaker 9: the person realizes later that if they had intervened, the

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Speaker 9: man is regretting, you know, so many things in his

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Speaker 5: Several items belonging to Holly are found scattered throughout the

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Speaker 1: Would argue that the discovery of her belonging, school papers, homework,

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Speaker 10: So the first inference that I have is something's already

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Speaker 5: Investigators put together a timeline of what happened to Holly Bobo.

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Speaker 1: The so called A train word gets around that the

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Speaker 1: We go to doctor Kendall Crowns joining us. Now his

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Speaker 1: the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU, Dodger Kendl Crowns.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, nothing is stronger than a

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Speaker 1: It is said, much like Natalie Holloway's mother Beth confronted

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Speaker 6: Well, she sure does. And Nancy, you need to have

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Speaker 1: Oh my stars, that's for our friends at ABC twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: Let me understand has been Powers, so nobody knows what's

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Speaker 10: I mean once they started really drilling him about the

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Speaker 10: details and getting him to admit very incriminating things like

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Speaker 10: you know she's in their home, she's wearing a pink

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Speaker 10: T shirt. These are the guys that are with me.

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Speaker 10: This is who did what and this is the condition

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Speaker 10: of things, and this is what happened. I mean, from

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Speaker 10: that point, it's just a matter of trying to corroborate

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Speaker 10: what he's saying. If you're the state, if you're on

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Speaker 10: the defense side, you're pointing out all the ways his

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Speaker 10: story doesn't match the physical evidence that they've collected, and

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Speaker 10: doesn't match other electronic data like self ping data and

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Speaker 10: other messages that might be recovered from cell phones and

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Speaker 10: things like that. But that's where it goes next, is

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Speaker 10: you try to either build a statement or discredit the statement.

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Speaker 1: Right Todd Shipley joining US former detective Sergeant Reno Nevada

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Speaker 1: author surviving a cyber attack. Hey Todd. Also the level

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Speaker 1: of detail in John Dillon's description. He gets to the

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Speaker 1: house and there he sees Holly Bobo in a pink

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Speaker 1: shot a pink top sitting there. His brother is wearing

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Speaker 1: camo shorts, a black cutoff T shirt and green crocs,

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Speaker 1: and the brother brags that they Holly and videoed it.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot of detail for somebody to make up.

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Speaker 9: Well, it depends on what they're trying to defend themselves with.

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Speaker 9: Are they trying to put the blame on somebody else

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Speaker 9: and give very detailed information about what they supposedly did

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Speaker 9: and when it could have been himself that did it.

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Speaker 9: I'm not sure that we know all those facts. And

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Speaker 9: as mentioned earlier by your guest, was the details don't

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Speaker 9: match up with the evidence, and that becomes problematic and

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Speaker 9: where the prosecution or the law enforcement is going to

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Speaker 9: go with the evidence. Do they disprove what he said

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Speaker 9: or do they try to build their case around that statement,

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Speaker 9: And that becomes a very difficult thing to live.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace, what happened to Holly Bobo

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Speaker 1: and will her killer now walk through? Is that possible?

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Speaker 1: In what world can that happen? Because not only do

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Speaker 1: we have the brother of Zachary Adams when he gets

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Speaker 1: arrested on an unrelated gun charge, spill it all about

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Speaker 1: Holly being and murdered, now we have another member of

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Speaker 1: the so called a train singing like a nightingale. Listen,

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Speaker 1: I'm standing.

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Speaker 2: Over the top of them.

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Speaker 9: On my knees.

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Speaker 8: She being rocky, see foot.

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Speaker 11: Sound of distress.

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Speaker 1: Called from I told him, mysage, you're still alive. From

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Speaker 1: our friends at ABC twenty twenty, that's Jason Autry describing

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Speaker 1: what happened to Holly Bobo? I mean, did you hear that,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns, He just he drives a multicolored blanket

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Speaker 1: that is in the back of one of the other

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Speaker 1: perpse truck and he's looking at it, and the foot

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Speaker 1: moves and he hears an audible sigh and they realize

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Speaker 1: Holly Bobo is still alive.

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Speaker 12: Yes, that can happen occasionally in murders where the individual

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Speaker 12: is found to still be alive after the initial assault

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Speaker 12: that they thought they killed him with. Often we see

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Speaker 12: this in strangulations. And what happens then is they will

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Speaker 12: use whatever means they have available to make sure they

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Speaker 12: end that person's life so that person can't wake up

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Speaker 12: and testify against him at a later date. They may

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Speaker 12: beat their head into with a rock. If they have

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Speaker 12: knives available, they may stab them even multiple times. I've

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Speaker 12: even seen them try to cut heads off, and then

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Speaker 12: they'll also in this case shoot them in the head

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Speaker 12: with a gun.

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Speaker 1: And Doctor Angela Arnold, did you hear the callous nature?

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Speaker 1: Did Witch re referred to Holly? He sees the foot move,

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Speaker 1: he sees her foot and if he hears her sigh,

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Speaker 1: and he says, this still alive.

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Speaker 6: Oh well, Nancy, they never, they never didn't have a

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Speaker 6: callous feeling towards her. They kidnapped her, they murdered her.

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Speaker 6: They never had any warm and fuzzy feelings towards her.

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Speaker 6: So that just describes how all of them are. Okay, Nancy,

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Speaker 6: there are a bunch of psychopaths. There are a bunch

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Speaker 6: of psychopaths. They wanted to rape her. And you know, Nancy,

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Speaker 6: what the sad thing is. You know when we talk

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Speaker 6: about she was gay, Nancy, not just one of them,

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Speaker 6: She was gay. This poor woman suffered unmercifully at the

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Speaker 6: hands of these horrific psychopaths.

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Speaker 1: Talk about singing like a bird. Listen, an Autrey, good.

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Speaker 2: Tim William John one up.

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Speaker 1: Shall underneath that bridge. It was just one shot, but

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Speaker 1: it echoed underneath the bridge all the way down that

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Speaker 1: damn river body.

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Speaker 11: And when that gun went, birds whatever, all up under

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Speaker 11: that breed and it was just dead silence or just

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Speaker 11: a shot.

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Speaker 1: From my friends at ABC twenty twenty, Bienpowers, criminal defense attorney,

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Speaker 1: Why isn't all your clients have guns that just go off?

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Speaker 1: Nobody ever says he shot her under the bridge and

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Speaker 1: then it echoed twice. It sounded like three gunshots from

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Speaker 1: the echo under that concrete bridge, and then the birds

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Speaker 1: flew up in the air and then everything was dead, silent.

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Speaker 1: How what all your clients, the gun just goes off.

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Speaker 1: Nobody pulls it to that.

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Speaker 10: I have all my clients that the guns just goes off.

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Speaker 10: I think the state trust to put a gun in

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Speaker 10: my client's hands. Instead they used it intentionally. But that

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Speaker 10: as that doesn't always match the forensic evidence that we

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Speaker 10: have in the case. But that's certainly what the state

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Speaker 10: likes to do. Is it's cleaner to say this person Shawn.

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Speaker 1: Intentionally those pasty guns that just go off with such

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Speaker 1: incredible precision that they actually kill the victim when they

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Speaker 1: just go off, And that's what they're saying here. Autry,

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Speaker 1: he's singing, but he ain't singing on tune because he's

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Speaker 1: saying the gun went off and boom, boom boom from

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Speaker 1: the three the shot and the two echoes underneath the

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Speaker 1: bridge and the birds fly off. Now we have a problem.

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Speaker 1: We've got John Dillon Adams confessing. We have Autry testifying

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Speaker 1: in the hopes that someday, somehow he'll get a plea

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Speaker 1: a cheap plea, but yet it's still a no body

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Speaker 1: k how hard is it to prove and nobody tastes

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Speaker 1: being powers.

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Speaker 10: Well, I think it's really hard for the state because

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Speaker 10: they're going to rely on probably not the most outstanding

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Speaker 10: witness or witnesses, and you know, they're probably not the

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Speaker 10: first choice for the state on who they put on

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Speaker 10: a stand because I'm sure they have a lot of

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Speaker 10: character flaws, possible drug abuse histories, things like that. I

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Speaker 10: believe one or all of them were pretty familiar.

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Speaker 4: Character flaws.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, did you just say possible flaws? You mean a

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Speaker 1: wrap sheet as long as I seventy five? Is that

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Speaker 1: a possible flaw in your mind?

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Speaker 10: That's one example of a possible flaw. But yeah, that's

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Speaker 10: a rap sheet. Just bad character. I mean, even the

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Speaker 10: ones that are testifying are involved. You know, they're not

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Speaker 10: a good Samaritan. They're just trying to help themselves. And

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Speaker 10: so that brings into some concern are they really testifying

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Speaker 10: to do the right thing or are they testifying to

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Speaker 10: save them to the forensics.

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Speaker 1: And with that one, I don't have to worry about

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Speaker 1: it because it's just Heaven drops another bombshell in the States.

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Speaker 1: Lat listen.

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Speaker 7: Six months after the arrest of Dylan Adams and subsequent

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Speaker 7: arrest of others, Larry Stone is hunting ginseeing in a

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Speaker 7: wooded area about twenty miles from Darden. Stone says he

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Speaker 7: saw a large bucket in the woods and beneath the

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Speaker 7: bucket he found a human skull. Investigators recover the skull

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Speaker 7: and other remains in the area and positively identify Holly Bobo.

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Speaker 7: Her skull has a bullet hole in the back and

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Speaker 7: fracturing her cheekbone as it exited straight out.

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Speaker 1: To doctor Kendall Crown's chief medical examiner, Terran County Star

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Speaker 1: on Mayhem in the Morgue, Doctor Kendall crowns decipher what

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Speaker 1: we just learned that was found by two gen saying hunters,

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Speaker 1: they see a bucket, they look under the bucket. Of

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Speaker 1: course they looked under the bucket. They couldn't help themselves,

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Speaker 1: and they find Holly Bobo's skull.

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Speaker 12: So what they described is the skull had no flesh

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Speaker 12: on it and had an entrance wound in the back

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Speaker 12: right side of the head and an eggsit wound on

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Speaker 12: the left side of the facial bones of the cheek.

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Speaker 12: So it showed that she was kind of executed by

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Speaker 12: a single gunshot wound to the back of the head.

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Speaker 1: Doctor crowns, how do you explain the fact that only

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Speaker 1: a few of her bones were found. That doesn't necessarily

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Speaker 1: mean she was dismembered, does it? It does not.

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Speaker 12: Sometimes when an individual dies in a wooded area, animals

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Speaker 12: come out and they scavenge. The vultures, crows, if there's razor,

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Speaker 12: hogs in the area, tye oats, anything can come in

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Speaker 12: and take parts of the body away, and they'll spread

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Speaker 12: them over a wide, vast area of the wooded spot,

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Speaker 12: and you will find bones everywhere, and in fact, they

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Speaker 12: can drag them off for miles and you may never

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Speaker 12: find all that person again.

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Speaker 5: The caate hook years to solve and longer to get

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Speaker 5: to court, But once there, Prosecutor Paul Hagerman laid out

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Speaker 5: Zach Adams told Jason Audrey that he, Jane Austen, and

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Speaker 5: John Dylan Adams had kidnapped and Colly Autrey saw a

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Speaker 5: blanket in the bed of adams truck. There was a

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Speaker 5: body in the blanket. Hagerman says, Autry has been offered

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Speaker 5: immunity to testify, and that's going to tell the jury,

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Speaker 5: He asked, sag Adams, how did this blank get in

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Speaker 5: your truck? The plan was to gut her body so

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Speaker 5: it would sink in the water, but Holly moved and

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Speaker 5: made a noise. That's when Zach Adams got a gun

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Speaker 5: and shot Holly in the back of the head.

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Speaker 10: He hurt her, he killed, she held her up, she

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Speaker 10: fragged about it, and he almost got.

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Speaker 1: Away from our friends that law news. So let me understand,

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Speaker 1: Shane Deeert. These guys convicted. How is it that's some

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Speaker 1: way the lee member on the A train could walk free?

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Speaker 1: How can this be?

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Speaker 4: My understanding is Nancy that Audrey has begin did his

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Speaker 4: testimony and has admitted that he did it to get

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Speaker 4: a deal. And that's you know where we're staying. When

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Speaker 4: you lose your star witness, h then.

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Speaker 1: You got hold on just a moment, Shane Diner, let

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Speaker 1: me understand something. So we've got Jason Autrey testifying a

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Speaker 1: trial with a story so rich in detail it's hard

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Speaker 1: not to believe, even talking about his own involvement. But then,

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Speaker 1: let's don't forget about being powers that John Dylon Adams

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Speaker 1: also took a guilty play to thirty five years behind bars.

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Speaker 1: So what they're gonna plead guilty to thirty five years

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Speaker 1: and eight years, respectively, because they didn't do it well.

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Speaker 10: I think they're going to take a plea in that

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Speaker 10: situation because the state's got a witness that they're concerned

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Speaker 10: about testifying and being able to put it all together

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Speaker 10: in a compelling way. And what they're looking at is

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Speaker 10: the possibility of life without parole, or the next best

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Speaker 10: thing would be life with parole, which is fifty one years.

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Speaker 10: And so under those circumstances, there's a lot of motive

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Speaker 10: to take a plea that doesn't always have to do

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Speaker 10: with guilt or innocence, but rather self preservation.

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Speaker 1: Now, isn't it also true to Dave Mac that when

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Speaker 1: I said it was critical where her discarded items are found,

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Speaker 1: that many of them were found just seventy five feet

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Speaker 1: from one of the purpose driveways. Another coincidence, Dave Mac.

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Speaker 8: The fascinating part about where those items are founding, as

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Speaker 8: as you pointed out, is these men were familiar so

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Speaker 8: much with the area that they were driving the first

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Speaker 8: drive away from the house and then back towards it

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Speaker 8: on different roads, but back in this day direction, seventy

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Speaker 8: five feet from Shane Austen's front door. That's where they

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Speaker 8: found a receipt with Holly Bobo's name on it. Now,

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Speaker 8: you mentioned a minute ago about the guilty pleas and

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Speaker 8: things like that, of the four members of the A train,

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Speaker 8: only Zach Adams actually went to trial. You know, we've

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Speaker 8: got Audrey rolling over on everybody and creating such an

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Speaker 8: incredible story on the stand. Is so articulate. The judge

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Speaker 8: that he was the best witness he had ever seen.

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Speaker 8: John Dillon Adams, you know, he just he was the

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Speaker 8: reason that even got an arrest to start with, when

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Speaker 8: there was no body found. And Shane Austen actually committed

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Speaker 8: suicide in February of twenty fifteen. So he commits suicide

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Speaker 8: and they never get it police under wh but they offered.

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Speaker 1: Him as killing Holly Bobo and commit suicide. So two

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Speaker 1: of them take to play. One commits suicide in the

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Speaker 1: other coast to trial and is now saying it's all

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Speaker 1: a big line. But let me ask you one more thing.

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Speaker 1: Isn't true, Dave Mack that Autrey gave the statement about

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Speaker 1: how Holly Bobo was shot once in the back of

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Speaker 1: the head. Then the skull is found and lo and behold,

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Speaker 1: it's exactly what he says happened, exactly as Autrey describes it.

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Speaker 8: Odd that you would tell the truth and claim it's

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Speaker 8: a lie. You know, none of it makes sense, But

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Speaker 8: I don't know. When you've got lifelong criminals and drug

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Speaker 8: addicts and dealers, you can't believe anything they're saying. But

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Speaker 8: when they tell the truth and it matches up with

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Speaker 8: the evidence you've got, I kind of think you go

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Speaker 8: ahead and believe that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, especially in line of the fact that they describe

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Speaker 1: what happened before the skull is found, So I guess

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Speaker 1: they're clairvoyant. Yet again, this is coming to the court

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Speaker 1: under a very little used writ of quorum and nabis,

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Speaker 1: which means that, according to the convicted killer, Zachary Itams,

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Speaker 1: he wants to correct the record of its factual inaccuracies. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you go ahead and get After that, we wait as

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Speaker 1: justice unfolds. And now we remember an American hero police officer,

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Speaker 1: Sia Burton, just twenty eight years old, shot and killed

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Speaker 1: at a traffic stop, survived by fiance set to be

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Speaker 1: wed in just nine days. Sierra and K nine partner

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Speaker 1: Brev American hero police officer Siarra Burton, Nancy Grace signing

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Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,