1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy V. 3 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: Wilson and I'm Holly Fry. We talked about high pretension 4 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 1: this week, Yes, we did. There have been various points 5 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: in my life prior to this when I've gone to 6 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: the doctor and my blood pressure has been like in 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: this somewhere in the one thirties range rather than one 8 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: twenty where they would like it to be. Uh. But 9 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: this time, when I got my physical, it was more 10 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: than that. And unlike that first set of guidelines that 11 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: was like, if somebody's blood pressure is one sixty over 12 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: nine five, they should get another check in a month. 13 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: Mine wasn't quite that high. It was above one. Uh, 14 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: And it was immediate, like, immediately, go home, take your 15 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: blood pressure every day. We're sending you a thing in 16 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: the app so that you can send us your blood 17 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: pressure every day. That's good, though, it is. It is good. 18 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: It's good. It's good. It is Uh. Of all the 19 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: things that might happen in a person's life, needing to 20 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 1: be on blood pressure medication is like not by far 21 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: the worst thing that could happen, just annoying. It just 22 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: it cracked me up a little bit as I was 23 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: reading this, and it was like, if somebody's blood pressure 24 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: is like one eight over something today, that's an emergency, right, 25 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: whereas they used to be just normal, That's that's fine, 26 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: that seems right, that's fine. Um, and I it's so complicated, 27 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: right because some of the some of the writeups about 28 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: it make it seem like that doctors just didn't care, 29 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: but it was more like they didn't have a good 30 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: way to help, and they were like, well, we could 31 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: either put people on heavy doses of barbiturates, which might help, 32 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: might not, is definitely going to impact their lives in 33 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: a whole lot of ways, or we could just not 34 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: Like today there are so many different classes of drugs 35 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 1: for hypertension. There's it's just a jillion different options. And uh, 36 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: also we did not get into at all, like if 37 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: a person is anxious and their anxiety is causing their 38 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: blood pressure to be higher and massage alleviates their anxiety, 39 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: Like massage can lower their blood pressure. This is not 40 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: medical advice, by the way, but like if there's some 41 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: other physiological thing going on, might not make a difference. 42 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: And so it was like there was so much stuff 43 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: that was being tried, especially in the first half of 44 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: the twentieth century, which probably did work for some people, 45 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: that like did not work for a lot of people, 46 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: And so a lot of doctors were like, I feel 47 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: like I'm just gonna hurt somebody if I try to 48 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: prescribe this invasive, non like irreversible surgery that may or 49 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: may not have any effect on a person's life expectancy 50 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: or their quality of life, for their health or any 51 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, I historically have had very blood pressure, 52 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 1: but I'm a little worried about my next one because 53 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: I am getting older put on a little extra weight. Uh. 54 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: You know, we'll see what happens. Uh. Yeah, we didn't. 55 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: We didn't talk about this in the episode. This was 56 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: in my notes at one point, and then I just 57 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: couldn't find a good place for it to make sense. Um, 58 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: there has long been an observation that there are people 59 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 1: who go to the doctor and their blood pressure is 60 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: high at the doctor's office, but it's normal when they're 61 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: not at the doctor. Uh. And the the name white 62 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: coat syndrome was coined for this, and I think and 63 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: the reason that we already had a blood pressure monitor 64 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: in our house when my doctor was like, you need 65 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: to keep up with us at home. Um, is that 66 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: the last time Patrick got a physical. He had not 67 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: been to the doctor in a long time because of 68 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: the pandemic, and his his blood pressure was high at 69 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: the doctor, uh, normal at home. Um, So he had 70 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: already picked up on monitor like a year or whatever 71 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: ago when his doctor was like, you gotta you gotta 72 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: check on this. Yeah, we have had we have a 73 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: monitor for a very similar reason. Yeah. I learned to 74 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: uh to take a person's blood pressure when I was 75 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: in massage school and that was actually the first time 76 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: that I heard the term white coat syndrome. Was when 77 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 1: we were learning about about blood pressure and learning to 78 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: take each other's blood pressure. And uh. Then, in the 79 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: many years that it has been since I went to 80 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: massage school, I totally forgot the process of how that works. 81 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, I remember there was a 82 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: part where we were like listening until the sound went away, 83 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 1: like but what how would the process work? And then 84 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 1: I finally got to the part in the research that 85 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 1: spelled it all out, and I was like, oh, yeah, 86 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: now I remember. Yeah, I have also had that thing 87 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: happened where I have been I have to self again, 88 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: I don't think that's probably the case anymore, but where 89 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: I've had a self monitor for white coat syndrome because 90 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: the take my blood pressure and go, oh that's totally normal, 91 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: and I'm like not for me, No, yeah, that's a 92 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: bit high for me. So um, yeah, I gotta keep 93 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: an eye on it. Yeah, I in case, and he 94 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: was wondering did order a die roll Man off of 95 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: eBay while Tracy was talking during our episode after we 96 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: discussed him, I'll put up pictures when he gets here. Yeah. 97 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: I was also pretty charmed by dire real Man. Like 98 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 1: I obviously, I have a lot of complicated feelings about 99 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: like the way pharmaceuticals are marketed and that kind of stuff, 100 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: and uh, this kind of shows how how early in 101 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: the flourishing of the pharmaceutical industry, like little desktop toys 102 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: became part of like the sales process. Um. But when 103 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: I saw these diarial Man illustrations and realized that, like 104 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 1: you like, there's little pictures of them, Uh, I was 105 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: pretty captivated also. And now I will own one and 106 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 1: it will be in my haunted mansion part of my house. Uh. 107 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: It reminds me a little bit of my childhood like 108 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: fixation with slim good body. Oh yeah, it's a very 109 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: slim good body esque thing. There's part of me that's like, 110 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 1: how could this be a Halloween costume? But it's tricky 111 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: to become transparent for Halloween. But yeah, we'll see we're 112 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: back to slim good body. Maybe maybe instead of trying 113 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: to dress as dire real Man, dire real Man will 114 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: get a tiny Halloween costume of his own. Maybe there 115 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: you go. That sounds good. Plans at our house. Yeah, 116 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: we'll see. We'll see how my blood pressure journey goes. Um, 117 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know that I'll offer any updates 118 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 1: on that on future episodes of the podcast. I will 119 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: just say so prevalent, like so many people have high 120 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: blood pressure, and it's so clearly associated with so many 121 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: other negative effects, uh like other heart diseases, other so 122 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: like I don't know. I think I can't as I 123 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: can't say, have your blood pressure checked, especially if you're 124 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: getting older and have an extensive family history of hypertension 125 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: like I do, well, right, Like I mean, I'll just 126 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: make the wider p s a of like I know 127 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: it sucks to go to the doctor, Yeah, but go 128 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: to the doctor if you have I know that's not 129 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: also available readily for everybody if you have the means. Uh, 130 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: it's really good to get your baseline numbers before you 131 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: get sick, so that yeah, a doctor can go, hey, 132 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: this number looks weird, but maybe you're just like that 133 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: and this that way you will know no I'm not 134 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: just like that. Yeah yeah, yeah, vitally improved. Very important. 135 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: Go to the doctor when you feel fine to get 136 00:07:55,800 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: your anti make say, uh, we have to because if 137 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: we don't, our insurance costs more. That is correct UM 138 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: at our work. So that is a motivating factor for sure. Uh. 139 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: But you know, also it's good to check in on 140 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: how your body's doing. I love my doctor. Uh. I 141 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: love the physicians assistant that I saw at the doctor 142 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: last year because my doctor was not available in time 143 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: for me to make that insurance deadline. UM. And it's 144 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: super helpful to have a doctor that like you like 145 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: and you trust and you feel like listens to you. 146 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: And I know that is not what everybody gets and 147 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: that there are like clear disparities about UM access and 148 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: just whether the doctor believes you that fall along like 149 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 1: racial lines and people with chronic illnesses and disabled people 150 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: like I'm aware that all of that factors into it. 151 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: Um well also of feeling like getting your blood pressure 152 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: checked out's a good idea, Tracy. We talked about zippers 153 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 1: this week. I love a zipper. Yeah. When I was 154 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: a kid, I was fascinated with them. I would like 155 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 1: watch I would watch the teeth come together and come apart. Hypnotic. Yeah, yeah, 156 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: I love them as a design feature. Obviously, I don't 157 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: agree with that statement we read at the opening of 158 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: the episode that they're not necessary there I must um, 159 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: I love them. I UM. I totally recognize how a 160 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: zipper is a lot easier and more convenient than like 161 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: a button fly in your jeans or shoes or little 162 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: boots that have a zipper on them can be a 163 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: lot easier to deal with than like unlacing and relacing 164 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: um simultaneously. As as someone who has had some involvement 165 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: in helping a disabled person dress, there are even easier 166 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: options than that. So it's like, I also, I can 167 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: see the argument about there rarely being necessary, but they 168 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: are all over my own clothes. Do you remember when 169 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: Levi's reintroduced the button fly as like a cool retro 170 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: thing and I just remember being like why, But I 171 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: know people that love them. So, you know, here's a 172 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: fun thing that often comes up when you'll read some 173 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: of those, like even not so quick stories of the 174 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 1: invention of the zipper. There's a weird, completely fabricated, as 175 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: near as I can tell, version of the story of 176 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: why Judson Whitcomb was like I would like to put 177 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: zippers in my boots. There are people that have made 178 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: the logic jump of like he was so fat he 179 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: couldn't tie his shoes, and it's like, one, what too, 180 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: what's wrong with you? Three? There's no evidence that there 181 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: was any like that other than he just was looking 182 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 1: for faster, easier ways to close. Yeah, and I don't 183 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: know why someone I could never trace where that rumor 184 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 1: version started. And it's so weird to me. Um So 185 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: if you see that anywhere he was a big man. 186 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,839 Speaker 1: He was quite I think he was quite tall. But like, 187 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: it's a weird logic jump on a variety of levels. 188 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: I don't know what that is. Um it even comes 189 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 1: up the main book that I read, which is that 190 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: when I quoted from the beginning, UM is kind of 191 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: like similarly, like why did people make that presumption? What 192 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: is going on. It's a little bit strange. I would 193 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: like to give a shout out to the adorable words 194 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: pintils and sockets. Yeah, I feel like that should be 195 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: a punk band. Someone get on it. What I did 196 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: not talk about in all of this, as various types 197 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: of fascinating as were being put to market and refined 198 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: because they all had problems, was what happened with their 199 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: sales teams because it gets into be like a whole 200 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 1: other story on its own, but apparently, you know, this 201 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 1: was a new technology, so salesman because initially, like a 202 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,439 Speaker 1: lot of what they were doing was really like getting 203 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 1: very very motivated salesman and sales reps to go not 204 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: just to individual purchasers like individual consumers, but also to 205 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: like dress shops, to companies blah blah blah, and really 206 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 1: like just sell these things like they were going to 207 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 1: change the world, even the ones that were popping open 208 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: when people were actually just you know, torking their body 209 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: in a way that was totally no and how because 210 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: they were constantly rolling out revisions, there were instances there 211 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: was one particular salesman that worked for Earle and uh 212 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: Whitcomb Judson who was apparently really really good at his job. 213 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 1: But that meant that when a subsequent fastener came out 214 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: that fixed problems from the earlier one, people were like, 215 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: I bought a gross of those things from you, get 216 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: out of my store like that, I'm not having it, 217 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: which I think is interesting, and that's I think part 218 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: of why as they went on they were happy to 219 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: get like sort of those bigger Okay, great, we'll sell 220 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: those to the manufacturers of tobacco pouches because that's a 221 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: little bit easier. But I thought that was very funny, 222 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: the idea that you did such a good job that 223 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: it bait you on the butt later in in when 224 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: you come back with more product to sell. Yeah. Yeah, 225 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: the zipper morality panic cracked me up as well. Yeah, 226 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: it reminded me in a in a weird way, although 227 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: it was not the same thing at all of that 228 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: straw hat riot episode we talked about. Even though it 229 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: was not at all the same argument, something about it 230 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: reminded me of that it will make it too easy 231 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: to take pants and skirts off. Everyone is going to 232 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: be walking around half naked in lascivious situations. This is unacceptable. 233 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: Let's go back to buttons. That's a very strange logic 234 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: train to me, but you know I love it. We 235 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: talked early on about how how common zippers are in 236 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: everything that we don't always think about. Yeah, I won't 237 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: buy a purse or bag of any kind if it 238 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: doesn't have a zipper. I'm very This is part of 239 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: why when people are like, do you love this dress? 240 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: It has pockets and like great stuff is gonna fall out. 241 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: I don't care about pockets. I need zipper closure on 242 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: all things. Yeah, I so long ago had a tote 243 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: bag I would carry that was just open at the 244 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: top and I always felt not secure about it. Um. 245 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: I hike a lot and a lot of the things 246 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: like if I if I need to have the house 247 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: key with me, the house key is going in a 248 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: pocket that has a zipper in it, like a zipper 249 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: closing at the top. This was not like a metal 250 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: teethed zipper. Um. But I bought a new clear plastic 251 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: bag to take through airport security before we went to 252 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: Italy that had just a you know, a plastic kind 253 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: of zipper. Uh, and it broke on the first use, 254 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: like literally the first use. I took it out of 255 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: the of the bag when we got to like the 256 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: very first hotel and it was just gaping open and 257 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: was beyond my ability to repair. And I was like, 258 00:15:55,360 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: come on now, the thing was brand new. That stinks. Yeah, 259 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: I I want everything to close with the zipper. We 260 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: didn't also talk about how much zippers have changed and 261 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: spun off into other varieties in the years. You know 262 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: that they're separating zippers. There are you know, different kind 263 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: of coil zippers. There zippers made just for sleeping bags. 264 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: There's it's obviously like there's a zipper for every need 265 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: at this point, including have you ever seen this is 266 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: going a little bit down a rabbit hole. We have many, 267 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: many friends and to some degree we are involved in this, 268 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: but not on a on a heavy dedicated kind of way. 269 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: Who do like one six scale action figures and collectibles right, 270 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: so like they'll do completely accurate like World War two 271 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: uniform uh dudes, Like it's like if you're g I. 272 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: Joe were elevated to like an extreme level of um 273 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: craftmanship and detail for some of them. They make the 274 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:09,959 Speaker 1: teeny tiniest functioning zippers and it's amazing. Wow. I'm forever 275 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 1: awed by the things that people will make in miniature 276 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 1: to make various hobby things work and look correct. Yeah, 277 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: because I remember as a kid, I think we've talked 278 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: about how like my early sewing was largely about making 279 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: sure that Barbie had one of the kind originals at 280 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 1: all times. Yeah. Yeah, And like I was stuck with 281 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,199 Speaker 1: zippers available at the fabric store or whatever was in 282 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 1: my mom's stash, and those are not to scale. So 283 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: Barbie always looked like she had a wild, chunky closure 284 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: on her back and it made me absolutely beatty to 285 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: deal with. It never looked right. It made me so 286 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: now that I know that they make these ten ti 287 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: a perfect ones that you can buy amazing. My mom 288 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: taught me to sew, but when we stopped with those lessons, 289 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 1: um I had not progressed to putting in a zipper yet. 290 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: That probably would have been the next major skill she 291 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: had taught me, was how to put in a zipper. 292 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 1: But the way not just my mom, my mom and 293 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: the other moms who were teaching their other daughters too. 294 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: So because that this was the nineteen eighties, things were 295 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: being very gendered. Everybody talked about putting in zippers as 296 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: though it was like the hardest, most fiddliest, terrible thing 297 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,120 Speaker 1: in the world. And so the first time I had 298 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: to do it because I was making something as an 299 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: adult that had a zipper in it, and I was like, 300 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: I don't know. Then my mama never taught me um, 301 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 1: And then I was like, that was not I expected 302 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 1: this to be horrific and it was not. No. I 303 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: get kind of perturbed by the perpetuation of the myth 304 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: that a zipper is like a nightmare part of assembling 305 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: a garment, because they're really not that hard. Also, I 306 00:18:56,320 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: will tell you this, this is truly the biggest benefit 307 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: of the digital age is that you can literally be like, 308 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: I know, someone's got a great tutorial on youtubeer TikTok 309 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: to show me how to put in a zipper lickety 310 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: split in the easiest way possible, and they do. And 311 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 1: it will often because you're seeing someone do it in 312 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: real time as they work through it, it often solidifies 313 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: some of the stuff that seems a little difficult to 314 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: grasp when you're just standing there holding your fabric and 315 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: your zipper. I am a big encourager of people to 316 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: always go try to watch stitching tutorials online because you 317 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: can learn anything zippers. You have every option for zippers. 318 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: You're easy overlap zipper a basic like flush, abutted edges, zippers. 319 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: Of it's none. If it's that hard, Listen, you have 320 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 1: met people who can make clothes who are probably not 321 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 1: as smart as you. So that's a good indicator. You 322 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: can do it. You can do it. Um do you 323 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 1: know it's not It's not as elusive a skill as 324 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: people would like to make it out to be. I 325 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: don't know why. To me, it feels a little gate 326 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: keep e like you know when you get to zippers, 327 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard, And I'm like, what, No, encourage 328 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 1: that person because they're gonna make cool stuff. Don't you 329 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: want more cool stuff in the world? I do. Um. Yes, 330 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: Should anybody out there be scared of zippers, please let 331 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: my words bolster you and realize people are putting those 332 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 1: things in garments all day, every day, all around the world. 333 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 1: Zippers not a monster, not a boogeyman of sewing. Fine. Uh, 334 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: if you are about to go into your weekend and 335 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: maybe do some sewing, if you're me, uh, put some 336 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: zippers in good time to test that out. Hopefully you'll 337 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: have some time off this weekend and you'll get to 338 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: do whatever it is that strikes your fancy. I can't 339 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: imagine a lot of people are like, Yeah, I'm gonna 340 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: use that time to put zippers in clothes. But if 341 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: you do, I hope that goes well. Uh, if you 342 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 1: have to work, or if you have some other responsibilities 343 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: that are kind of taking up your time and it's 344 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 1: not really yours to claim, I hope that those things 345 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: go well, easily, low stress, and that everybody is cool 346 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: to each other. We will be right back here tomorrow 347 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: with a classic, and then on Monday you'll give more 348 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: brand new stuff. Stuff you missed in History Class is 349 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: a production of I heart Radio. For more podcasts from 350 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: I heart Radio, visit the I heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 351 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.