WEBVTT - Live From New York, It's Your Grandmother

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<v Speaker 1>Art originals.

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<v Speaker 2>This is an iHeart original.

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<v Speaker 3>On October eighth, nineteen seventy seven, Connie Crawford did what

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of college students were doing every Saturday night.

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<v Speaker 2>I was in my first year at college, and every

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<v Speaker 2>Saturday night, every party shut down and we would all go.

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<v Speaker 2>There was only one TV and every dorm, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was usually one of those big console, old fashioned TVs,

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<v Speaker 2>and everybody would gather around and watch Saturday Night Live.

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<v Speaker 3>That's Connie that year. She was a freshman at Vassar,

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<v Speaker 3>a liberal arts school in Poughkeepsie, New York. As you

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<v Speaker 3>might imagine, parties were frequent. It took a lot for

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<v Speaker 3>students to pass one up in favor of watching television,

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<v Speaker 3>but SNL managed to lure them in. It was hip, irreverent,

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<v Speaker 3>it spoke to them. The entire cast, from John Belushi

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<v Speaker 3>to Gilda Radner to Bill Murray, were becoming some of

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<v Speaker 3>the most famous comic actors in the country. Connie, however,

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<v Speaker 3>was a fan of one cast member in particular.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they were all great, but I had a crush

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<v Speaker 2>on dan Aykroyd, and when I was in high school,

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<v Speaker 2>I think in the first year Saturday Night Live came out.

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<v Speaker 2>I wrote him a fan letter, and he sent me

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<v Speaker 2>back a picture of him on a motorcycle and in

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<v Speaker 2>crayon underneath. Because I think he thought I was a child.

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<v Speaker 2>He wrote Connie Let's Ride to Nicaragua Together Loved Dan.

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<v Speaker 3>As Connie and her friends watched the episode, something a

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<v Speaker 3>little strange happened. There on screen was Lourene Michaels, the

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<v Speaker 3>creator and executive producer of the show. Michaels was making

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<v Speaker 3>an offer of sorts to the audience, and it wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>a bit. SNL was holding a contest that any viewer

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<v Speaker 3>could enter. The winner would be flown to New York

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<v Speaker 3>City and enter thirty Rockefeller Center on Saturday, December seventeenth,

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen seventy seven for the Christmas episode. That person would

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<v Speaker 3>be the first, and to date, the only civilian to

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<v Speaker 3>ever get one of the most coveted assignments in show business,

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<v Speaker 3>hosting Saturday Night Live. Entries came pouring in, well over

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred thousand of them, with everyone from aspiring performers

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<v Speaker 3>to housewives to at least one governor vying for the spot.

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<v Speaker 3>Some people showed up in person and only partially clothed.

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<v Speaker 3>But was it really possible for anyone to host SNL.

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<v Speaker 3>Could an amateur hold their own against the likes of Belushi,

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<v Speaker 3>Hurry and Radner? Or was SNL setting itself up for

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<v Speaker 3>an epic disaster? Welcome back to Very Special Episodes and

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<v Speaker 3>iHeart original podcast. I'm your host, Dana Schwartz, and this

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<v Speaker 3>is live from New York. It's your grandmother.

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<v Speaker 4>Welcome back to Very Special Episodes. I am one of

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<v Speaker 4>your hosts, Jason English. There's a famous tweet that reservices

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<v Speaker 4>during every Olympics. It goes something like, in each Olympic event,

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<v Speaker 4>there should be a normal person competing for reference, just

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<v Speaker 4>to show you how phenomenal the actual Olympians are. Today's

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<v Speaker 4>Very Special episode is the television equivalent what would a

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<v Speaker 4>chaotic sketch comedy variety show look like if you just

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<v Speaker 4>picked somebody or somebody's grandma off the street. I will

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<v Speaker 4>let Dana tell you in a minute. First, a quick

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<v Speaker 4>housekeep announcement. We are all hard at work here behind

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<v Speaker 4>the scenes on our next full batch of Very Special Episodes.

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<v Speaker 4>We'll be back to our regular weekly cadence later next month.

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<v Speaker 4>We're talking about adding in a second, still pretty special

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<v Speaker 4>episode on Saturdays. This spring. We'll keep working on that

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<v Speaker 4>and I'll give it back to Dana.

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<v Speaker 3>When Lauren Michaels launched Saturday Night Live in the fall

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<v Speaker 3>of nineteen seventy five, he knew he wanted a different

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<v Speaker 3>guest host each week. Watching a famous actor or comedian

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<v Speaker 3>or athlete get thrown into the choppy waters of live

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<v Speaker 3>sketch comedy is what helped give SNL its reputation for

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<v Speaker 3>being dangerous, and it was also good for ratings.

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<v Speaker 1>Was just not to be missed.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, whatever else you had pends on Saturday night,

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<v Speaker 5>you wanted to get home by eleven thirty so you

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<v Speaker 5>could watch this show. And I mean it just spoke

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<v Speaker 5>to me. The idea was to blow up the convention

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<v Speaker 5>of the variety show with the sketch show.

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<v Speaker 3>That's Bill Carter. Bill is a longtime television critic who's

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<v Speaker 3>covered Late Night for The New York Times since nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>eighty nine. He's also written several books, including The Late Shift,

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<v Speaker 3>a definitive account of the war for Johnny Carson's chair

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<v Speaker 3>at The Tonight Show in the early nineties. His coverage

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<v Speaker 3>of SNL actually dates to the very first episode, a

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<v Speaker 3>time when SNL was less a pop culture phenomenon and

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<v Speaker 3>more of a what the heck is this thing?

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<v Speaker 1>So I was right on top of it when it started.

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<v Speaker 5>And my own situation was pretty interesting because the NBC

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<v Speaker 5>affiliate in Baltimore, WBAL, did not originally carry the show.

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<v Speaker 5>They did not sign on to carry Saturday Night Live

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<v Speaker 5>when it started, so I had to watch the first

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know how many four six episodes something on

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<v Speaker 5>your old antenna TV and trying to get a picture

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<v Speaker 5>through snow from the Washington and affiliate Baltimore.

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<v Speaker 3>Soon caught on, and so did the rest of the country.

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<v Speaker 3>SNL was unlike anything television had produced up to that point.

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<v Speaker 3>There had been variety shows like The Smothers Brothers and

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<v Speaker 3>laugh In with sketches and special guests, and even politicians

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<v Speaker 3>like Richard Nixon spoofing their own image. But SNL took

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<v Speaker 3>it further, much further.

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<v Speaker 5>It was an incredible breath of fresh air to me,

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<v Speaker 5>and it was aimed toward me. I mean, I was

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<v Speaker 5>recent college graduates. You know what else did I want?

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<v Speaker 5>I watched some of those shows, but it wasn't like

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<v Speaker 5>they spoke to the generation I felt like I belonged to,

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<v Speaker 5>and this show did.

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<v Speaker 1>It had the vibe of the stage show.

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<v Speaker 5>Had been done called Lemmings, which I had actually seen

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<v Speaker 5>an off Broadway show, and interestingly, it had both Chevy

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<v Speaker 5>Chase and John Belushi in it. So when Saturday Life

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<v Speaker 5>came out, I had seen them. I'd seen them on

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<v Speaker 5>stage doing this kind of antique kind of stuff, and

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<v Speaker 5>I was very open to it. I really responded to it,

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<v Speaker 5>and I think they just hit it. They hit the

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<v Speaker 5>mark so well from the beginning.

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<v Speaker 3>The humor was born out of the Lemmings, Second City,

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<v Speaker 3>National Lampoon, all institutions where edgy comedy was thriving. Performers

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<v Speaker 3>like Chevy Chase, John Belushi, Jane Curtin and others were

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<v Speaker 3>coming out of those improvisational troops and becoming major stars.

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<v Speaker 3>They got the cover of New York Magazine. There were

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<v Speaker 3>drugs and rock and roll and movies beckoning. SNL became

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<v Speaker 3>the cool hangout. Mick Jagger might have been too big

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<v Speaker 3>to perform on the show, but he was more than

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<v Speaker 3>willing to show up and watch. But one thing SNL did,

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<v Speaker 3>rather something it almost had to do, was very uncool.

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<v Speaker 3>It was the time tested publicity stunt, something out of

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<v Speaker 3>the norm to stir up the media or to drum

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<v Speaker 3>up ratings for sweeps weeks when networks try to grab

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<v Speaker 3>big ratings so they can charge more for advertising.

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<v Speaker 5>They were still becoming sort of part of the network

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<v Speaker 5>while they were, you know, kind of the underground part

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<v Speaker 5>of the network, and Lauren, who's very skillful at managing

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<v Speaker 5>up and always was, I'm sure, was able to sort

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<v Speaker 5>of wrangle this, you know, and say it'll be different,

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<v Speaker 5>let's just try it. And as time went on, they

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<v Speaker 5>didn't really need to do that anymore because they got

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<v Speaker 5>tremendous leverage and they just got this following that wasn't

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<v Speaker 5>gonna all of a sudden kick up wildly because they

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<v Speaker 5>went to a different location.

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<v Speaker 3>But in the early years they weren't above a ratings stunt.

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<v Speaker 3>In the show's second season, NBC arranged for the show

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<v Speaker 3>to air its first and only on location broadcast. Think

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<v Speaker 3>of it as a very special episode of SNL. The

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<v Speaker 3>cast and crew headed for Marty Grass. The idea came

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<v Speaker 3>from Lorne Michaels, who thought sketches based in and around

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<v Speaker 3>the celebration would add a different flavor to the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Cast member Jane Curtin and comic actor Buck Henry would

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<v Speaker 3>anchor the parade itself, commenting on the sites. It aired

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<v Speaker 3>at the more reasonable time slot of nine thirty and

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<v Speaker 3>on a Sunday, and almost immediately things went south. A

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<v Speaker 3>pedestrian was struck by one of the cars in the

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<v Speaker 3>Bacchus parade, which brought it to a halt and messed

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<v Speaker 3>up the show's timing completely. Guest star Cindy Williams, who

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<v Speaker 3>was supposed to appear with her Laverne and Shirley co

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<v Speaker 3>star Penny Marshall, got lost on the way to the shoot.

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<v Speaker 3>Unlike the studio audience in New York, this one was

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<v Speaker 3>made up of mostly drunk college kids who began throwing

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<v Speaker 3>gold coins, beads, and beer cans at the cast. The

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<v Speaker 3>episode never really recovered. Michaels found out SNL could never

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<v Speaker 3>be a traveling road show, but he wasn't done experimenting.

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<v Speaker 3>The next season, he made a rare on screen appearance,

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<v Speaker 3>speaking directly into the camera and with a perfect straight

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<v Speaker 3>man's delivery, he promised members of the fractured Beatles a

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<v Speaker 3>certified check for a whopping three thousand dollars. If they

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<v Speaker 3>agreed to reunite on the show, they could give ringo

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<v Speaker 3>star less of a cut, it was up to them.

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<v Speaker 3>The joke was picked up by the media and has

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<v Speaker 3>endured over the decades, and it came with a punchline

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<v Speaker 3>of sorts. Well two George Harrison actually showed up on

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<v Speaker 3>a later episode to pick up a check for three

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and fifty dollars. Paul McCartney would later say he

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<v Speaker 3>and John Lennon were actually watching SNL the week after

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<v Speaker 3>Michaels made his offer. They talked about taking a taxi

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<v Speaker 3>to thirty Rock just for the hell of it. They

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<v Speaker 3>never did, but the skit was notable for another reason.

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<v Speaker 3>It presented Michaels as an on screen persona something he

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<v Speaker 3>had once flirted with early on by considering casting himself

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<v Speaker 3>in the role of co anchor of Weekend Update.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Loin was a performer, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>He was in a comedy team that performed in Canada

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<v Speaker 5>before he became a writer producer, and he was comfortable

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<v Speaker 5>with performing for sure. He obviously has a very big

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<v Speaker 5>ego to be running a show like this, but I

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<v Speaker 5>don't think he felt like all the attention had to

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<v Speaker 5>be on him so he had to also be on

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<v Speaker 5>the show. But I think he realized he can't possibly

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<v Speaker 5>do that and run this crazy machine that was going on.

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<v Speaker 5>But you know, his occasional appearances would only happen if

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<v Speaker 5>he wanted it that and so he definitely wanted it

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<v Speaker 5>to happen for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Michaels wasn't done experimenting, because the show itself wasn't yet

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<v Speaker 3>set in stone. In its third year, and practically every

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<v Speaker 3>year since, critics and viewers wondered if SNL's best days

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<v Speaker 3>were behind it. Chevy Chase had left shortly after the

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<v Speaker 3>second season to begin to pursue a film career. John

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<v Speaker 3>Belushi was filming movies and seemingly had one foot out

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<v Speaker 3>the door. There were critics said, too many recurring characters.

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<v Speaker 3>No one looked at it and said, well, this thing

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<v Speaker 3>will still be on the air in five decades, not

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<v Speaker 3>even Michaels himself, whose contract with NBC expired at the

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<v Speaker 3>end of the season. Michaels was getting tired of the grind,

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<v Speaker 3>saying quote, I can't work eighteen hours a day for

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<v Speaker 3>the rest of my life, or I'll die. But before

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<v Speaker 3>his possible departure, he had another idea, although arguably one

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<v Speaker 3>just as potentially disastrous as the Marti Gras Debacle, the

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<v Speaker 3>show would hold a contest, not a spoof contest or

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<v Speaker 3>the appearance of a contest, but an actual contest. On

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<v Speaker 3>October eighth, nineteen seventy seven, the second show of the season,

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<v Speaker 3>hosted by actress Madeline Cohn, Michaels appeared behind a desk

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<v Speaker 3>and he said, how many of you out there watching

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<v Speaker 3>the show right now are saying to yourselves? You know,

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<v Speaker 3>Madeline con is pretty good, but I think I can

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<v Speaker 3>do a better job than that. Well, here's your chance,

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<v Speaker 3>because now anyone can host Saturday Night Live. Michaels called

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<v Speaker 3>it the Anyone Can Host Contest, and the premise was simple.

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<v Speaker 3>Instead of being a famous star or comic or singer,

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<v Speaker 3>any viewer could potentially be the host for the show's

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<v Speaker 3>Christmas episode in December. No performing experience was needed to

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<v Speaker 3>be considered for the contest. Viewers could mail in a

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<v Speaker 3>postcard and explain in twenty five words or lie us

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<v Speaker 3>why they should be chosen as the guest host. Send

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<v Speaker 3>it to box seven to two radio City Station New York,

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<v Speaker 3>New York one zero zero one nine by midnight November first,

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen seventy seven. If they were one of five finalists.

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<v Speaker 3>They'd be flown out to appear on a November show

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<v Speaker 3>so viewers could vote for their favorite. The winner would

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<v Speaker 3>host the Christmas episode and receive the then standard hosting

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<v Speaker 3>fee of three thousand dollars. Put another way, they'd get

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<v Speaker 3>paid as much as the Beatles. Michaels believed the contest

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<v Speaker 3>was more than just a stunt in a meataway. He

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<v Speaker 3>thought he could demystify the idea of being an entertainer,

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<v Speaker 3>that it was reserved only for a chosen few. He

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<v Speaker 3>joked that quote, comedy is much too important to be

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<v Speaker 3>left to professionals. There was the pressure too of SNL

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<v Speaker 3>getting predictable. If roping in an amateur host was dangerous,

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<v Speaker 3>that was the point, and he offered very few guidelines,

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<v Speaker 3>say for stressing that anyone caught approaching him or a

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<v Speaker 3>cast member in person to make their case would be disqualified.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't know if it was for real at first.

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<v Speaker 5>You always have to wonder when they do things like that,

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<v Speaker 5>And then I thought, Okay, they're basically saying, this is

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<v Speaker 5>how confident we are that we can do this show

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<v Speaker 5>with anybody, You know.

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<v Speaker 1>What I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>Amateurs had appeared on SNL's stage before. Fran Tarkenton, a

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<v Speaker 3>quarterback for the Minnesota Vikings, hosted, so did Ron Nelson,

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<v Speaker 3>the White House Press secretary under Gerald Ford. These non

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<v Speaker 3>performers gave the show a different feel and energy.

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<v Speaker 5>So they had to really write around that. So they

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<v Speaker 5>didn't do it just because they thought, oh, this will.

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<v Speaker 1>Be a blast.

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<v Speaker 5>I think they did it as part of what they

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<v Speaker 5>were doing overall there, which is just we're just shaking

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<v Speaker 5>up all the conventions. This is another convention we're going

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<v Speaker 5>to shake up. We're going to have a host that

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<v Speaker 5>nobody'd ever heard of.

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<v Speaker 3>But even those hosts were recognizable. The winner of the

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<v Speaker 3>Anyone Can Host contest could be well anyone. The question

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<v Speaker 3>was just how many people wanted to host SNL and

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<v Speaker 3>what lengths would they go to in order to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Millions of people watched Michaels make his contest announcement, but

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<v Speaker 3>you didn't have to be watching the show to hear

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<v Speaker 3>about it. Many major newspapers covered the contest. It was,

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<v Speaker 3>after all, a chance for literally anyone to headline the

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<v Speaker 3>hottest comedy show in the country. Within weeks, NBC had

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<v Speaker 3>gotten one hundred and twenty thousand responses, with people using

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<v Speaker 3>their allotted twenty five words to make their case. According

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<v Speaker 3>to Barbara Burns, a talent coordinator for the show who

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<v Speaker 3>was overseeing the contest, a surprising number of entries were

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<v Speaker 3>actually threatening in nature put me on the air or else. Those,

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<v Speaker 3>she said, went directly in the garbage. There were a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of nude photos with some people apparently hoping to

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<v Speaker 3>seduce their way onto the show. Those two were discarded,

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<v Speaker 3>and so were entries begging for the three thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 3>host fee. And despite Lorne Michael's cautioning against personal appearances,

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<v Speaker 3>some did show up At thirty Rock. One man came

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<v Speaker 3>as a people card instead of a postcard, dressed in

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<v Speaker 3>a postal sack and boxer shorts. He didn't win anyone over.

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<v Speaker 3>There were even celebrity entrants of sorts. Bella Abzig, a

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<v Speaker 3>former congresswoman, sent in a submission, so did Al Goldstein,

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<v Speaker 3>the widely loathed publisher of an adult publication titled Screw Magazine.

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<v Speaker 3>And then there was Connie Crawford's submission. Connie, you'll remember,

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<v Speaker 3>was a freshman at Vassar who had a standing offer

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<v Speaker 3>to run off to Nicaragua with Dan Akrid. What could

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<v Speaker 3>she say in twenty five words or less that would

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<v Speaker 3>make her postcard stand out from the thousands of other entries.

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<v Speaker 3>It was something she carried with her everywhere, her Vassar

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<v Speaker 3>student identification card.

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<v Speaker 2>And so my friend and I were like, this sucks,

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<v Speaker 2>and what is this ID? And you know without this ID,

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<v Speaker 2>we can't eat. Without this ID, we can't go into

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<v Speaker 2>certain places. This ID rules our life. And so I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, Okay, that's it. The id's stage a revolution.

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<v Speaker 2>My ID and my friend's ID go to the local

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<v Speaker 2>holiday inn and my friend staples my ID on a

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<v Speaker 2>holiday in postcard and I wrote, free me, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>what I sent in. And of course I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if anybody got the backstory, it doesn't matter. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it was more that it was my actual college ID

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<v Speaker 2>stapled to a holiday and postcard in the words free me.

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<v Speaker 3>Connie sent it off and waited. Meanwhile, SNL still had

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<v Speaker 3>shows to do. Al Goldstein never hosted, but one of

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<v Speaker 3>his peers did. Hugh Hefner, founder of Playboy magazine, hosted

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<v Speaker 3>the third episode of the season. Charles Grodin was next,

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<v Speaker 3>and then musician Ray Charles. By this point SNL's staff

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<v Speaker 3>had come to a decision. Out of the now one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and fifty thousand entries received, the finalists had been selected,

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<v Speaker 3>and shortly Connie Crawford's phone rang, or more accurately, the

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<v Speaker 3>phone at the dorm rang.

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<v Speaker 2>And this was Vasser and these are old dorms, so

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<v Speaker 2>each of these phone booths had those folding wooden doors,

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<v Speaker 2>and you'd go in and you'd sit on these little

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<v Speaker 2>wooden things, and it was old school, even first seventy seven.

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<v Speaker 2>And the way you would get messages is they would

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<v Speaker 2>call the dorm and the person at the front desk

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<v Speaker 2>would write down a little message on a piece of paper,

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<v Speaker 2>fold it up and put it in your little slot.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's how I found out. I got a message saying,

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<v Speaker 2>Barbara Burns, the casting coordinator, wants to talk to you

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<v Speaker 2>about the contest. So of course I was really excited.

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<v Speaker 2>And there was an initial interview which I did in

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<v Speaker 2>one of those little wooden booths, and I think it

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<v Speaker 2>was mostly to just see am I crazy? Or you know, really,

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<v Speaker 2>who the fuck am I?

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<v Speaker 3>At first? Connie remembers being told she was one of

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<v Speaker 3>twenty five finalists and being asked to send in a photo,

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<v Speaker 3>but quickly she was one of the final five. Connie

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<v Speaker 3>and four finalists had just a few days to make

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<v Speaker 3>their way into Manhattan. This was surreal. Just days Connie

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<v Speaker 3>was in class. Now she was at SNL, getting a

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<v Speaker 3>chance to see the stage, the audience seats, the cameras,

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<v Speaker 3>and the sheer energy of preparing for a live sketch

0:21:18.842 --> 0:21:23.602
<v Speaker 3>comedy show. Cast members ran around half dressed, moving from

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<v Speaker 3>one sketch to the next in a dry run before

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<v Speaker 3>the live broadcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you got to understand, they brought in these

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<v Speaker 2>five people and they're in the middle of doing their

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<v Speaker 2>live show and they're running around. They were busy. Bilda

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<v Speaker 2>Radner was very sweet, and the others were all polite

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<v Speaker 2>and everything.

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<v Speaker 3>Connie also got exposed to Bill Murray, who was not

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<v Speaker 3>yet the full force of nature he would become. This

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<v Speaker 3>was Murray's first full season as a cast member.

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<v Speaker 2>He was always on in terms of what I saw,

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<v Speaker 2>which was just moments here and there. So I kind

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<v Speaker 2>of felt like he's the new guy. He's got this

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<v Speaker 2>amazing of Billy to just riff and he's both experimenting

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<v Speaker 2>with riffing. You know, he's practicing and he's doing it

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<v Speaker 2>all the time, which maybe that's him working on his craft.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe that's him trying to get material, or maybe that's

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<v Speaker 2>just him how he works. I don't know, but brilliant,

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<v Speaker 2>clearly brilliant, because even his little riffs with the costume

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<v Speaker 2>person were just extraordinary.

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<v Speaker 3>But one person seemed to stand out even among this

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<v Speaker 3>group of performers, John Belushi. As a fan of the show,

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<v Speaker 3>Connie got to see some of the sketch rehearsals. In one,

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<v Speaker 3>Belushi reprised his highly popular Samurai, a man in a

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<v Speaker 3>top fun who delivers rapid fire gibberish while struggling to

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<v Speaker 3>adapt to modern customs. He often did the sketch with

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<v Speaker 3>Buck Henry, a frequent host who made for a good

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<v Speaker 3>straight man for Belushi's wild energy.

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<v Speaker 2>In those studios, you know it's a great big room,

0:23:09.842 --> 0:23:12.362
<v Speaker 2>it's actually quite small, and then they have all these

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<v Speaker 2>little modular sets. So they were in one set, and

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<v Speaker 2>as you know, people who do tech are working and

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<v Speaker 2>they don't get sucked into the vacuum of acting because

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<v Speaker 2>they see a lot and they have work to do. Well, Belushi,

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<v Speaker 2>in one of the rehearsals, he just started riffing and improvising,

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<v Speaker 2>and Buck, of course went along with him. And he

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<v Speaker 2>must have gone, I don't know it. It felt really long.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I would say it was at least twenty

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<v Speaker 2>minutes for an original. I think the skets like two

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<v Speaker 2>or three minutes. And it was so funny and so

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<v Speaker 2>brilliant that every person in that whole studio stopped what

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<v Speaker 2>they were doing and gathered around this little modular set.

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<v Speaker 2>The more people who watched, the funnier he got. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's one of the greatest performances I've ever seen. On

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<v Speaker 2>both their parts.

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<v Speaker 3>Belushi was also generous with Connie. She recalls he was

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<v Speaker 3>the only one to try and settle her nerves.

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<v Speaker 2>I was sitting around and he came over and just

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<v Speaker 2>started chatting. And he was drinking a beer during the day,

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<v Speaker 2>so we just started chatting. And he also did something

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<v Speaker 2>that was really kind, which was so they did on Saturday.

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<v Speaker 2>They run through the show once for a studio audience,

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<v Speaker 2>and then there's a little break and then you do

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<v Speaker 2>it live. And after the first run through of the show,

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<v Speaker 2>he came up to me and he said, just let

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<v Speaker 2>it go. He said, just pretend you're talking to some

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<v Speaker 2>of your friends at school, and you know, nobody else

0:24:52.682 --> 0:24:56.362
<v Speaker 2>said anything to me. The director nobody else you know,

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<v Speaker 2>basically told me to relax, calm down, and I just

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<v Speaker 2>really appreciated that.

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<v Speaker 3>Connie also met the other finalists, and they were a

0:25:05.842 --> 0:25:11.402
<v Speaker 3>highly eclectic bunch. There was deb Blair, an employment counselor

0:25:11.522 --> 0:25:15.402
<v Speaker 3>and mother of three from Peoria, Illinois, who wrote that quote,

0:25:15.682 --> 0:25:19.202
<v Speaker 3>my three sons only listen to people on TV. Please

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<v Speaker 3>let me host Saturday Night. There are a few things

0:25:22.442 --> 0:25:26.082
<v Speaker 3>I need to tell them. And there was David Lewis,

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<v Speaker 3>a bearded twenty year old college dropout from McMinnville, Oregon,

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<v Speaker 3>who sent in seventy five different entries. In the one selected,

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<v Speaker 3>he wrote that quote, I'm so bored in the town

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<v Speaker 3>where I live. I know all the vending machines by name. David,

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<v Speaker 3>more than anyone, seemed to have a big appetite for

0:25:46.282 --> 0:25:49.802
<v Speaker 3>show business. He told reporters he aspired to get into

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<v Speaker 3>comedy writing, but he didn't seem to make a big impression,

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<v Speaker 3>at least not with Connie.

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<v Speaker 2>The guy from Oregon. I don't even really remember him

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<v Speaker 2>very much.

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<v Speaker 3>Weirdly, there was then current Governor of South Dakota, Richard Neap,

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<v Speaker 3>who wrote that quote, being host could be my big breakthrough.

0:26:10.202 --> 0:26:14.482
<v Speaker 3>In showbiz. Otherwise it's probably back to selling automatic milking

0:26:14.562 --> 0:26:19.242
<v Speaker 3>machines wholesale. Like before I was governor, Connie actually had

0:26:19.282 --> 0:26:22.122
<v Speaker 3>spent time in South Dakota, which made for an easy

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<v Speaker 3>camaraderie with the governor.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It was really funny because in between some of

0:26:27.682 --> 0:26:30.402
<v Speaker 2>the shoots, they said, okay, and one of the other

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<v Speaker 2>finalists here is the governor of South Dakota. And I

0:26:34.482 --> 0:26:36.602
<v Speaker 2>looked at him and I went, oh, my god, I

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<v Speaker 2>have spent the happiest months of my life in South Dakota.

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<v Speaker 2>And he said, oh, I love you, know, And so

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<v Speaker 2>we just immediately hugged and became really good friends.

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<v Speaker 3>And finally Connie met an eighty year old grandmother from

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<v Speaker 3>New Orleans named Miskel Spelman. I'm eighty years old and

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<v Speaker 3>need one more cheap thrill since my doctor has just

0:26:59.042 --> 0:27:01.922
<v Speaker 3>told me I only have twenty five years left to live,

0:27:02.362 --> 0:27:06.282
<v Speaker 3>Spelman wrote. The contest was her first visit to New

0:27:06.362 --> 0:27:09.562
<v Speaker 3>York and her first time on an airplane.

0:27:09.642 --> 0:27:14.002
<v Speaker 2>And of course the grandmother was completely charming and sweet

0:27:14.522 --> 0:27:17.082
<v Speaker 2>and just such a great sport.

0:27:17.482 --> 0:27:20.722
<v Speaker 3>And just like that, the final five were set. They

0:27:20.762 --> 0:27:24.402
<v Speaker 3>all settled into stereotypes that made them more palatable to

0:27:24.522 --> 0:27:27.962
<v Speaker 3>both the viewers and the writers. Connie, of course, was

0:27:28.042 --> 0:27:29.122
<v Speaker 3>the comely co ed.

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<v Speaker 2>I think given how little time there was, the writers

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<v Speaker 2>don't know who we are. You know, we're all stereotypes.

0:27:36.962 --> 0:27:41.442
<v Speaker 2>That's how they selected us, you know, the dropout from Oregon,

0:27:41.482 --> 0:27:45.442
<v Speaker 2>the Vassar co ed, the ninety year old grandmother from Louisiana,

0:27:46.082 --> 0:27:49.642
<v Speaker 2>mother of three from Peoria, and the governor of South Dakota.

0:27:49.842 --> 0:27:53.042
<v Speaker 2>You know. So they don't have enough time to know

0:27:53.082 --> 0:27:55.242
<v Speaker 2>who we are to build something.

0:27:56.122 --> 0:27:58.842
<v Speaker 3>It was now up to America to figure out which,

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<v Speaker 3>if any, they liked. On November nineteenth, nineteen seventy seven,

0:28:04.442 --> 0:28:08.482
<v Speaker 3>SNL opened with Gilda Radner and Garrett Morris talking about

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<v Speaker 3>the contest finalists in a locker room, as though the

0:28:11.882 --> 0:28:14.842
<v Speaker 3>cast were a sports team about to go out and play,

0:28:15.442 --> 0:28:18.602
<v Speaker 3>and in a sense, they were. They came out to

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<v Speaker 3>meet America dressed in blue and white varsity sweaters. After

0:28:22.962 --> 0:28:25.642
<v Speaker 3>the opening credits, they were joined on stage by the

0:28:25.802 --> 0:28:30.122
<v Speaker 3>host of the episode, Buck Henry. Henry acted as a

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<v Speaker 3>kind of MC. He called them quote five amazingly brave

0:28:34.722 --> 0:28:38.602
<v Speaker 3>people and let each of them speak before reminding viewers

0:28:38.642 --> 0:28:42.242
<v Speaker 3>they had until November thirtieth to vote for a winner

0:28:42.762 --> 0:28:47.122
<v Speaker 3>using a form found in TV Guide. Each one had

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<v Speaker 3>a letter on their shirt ABCD and E in an

0:28:51.402 --> 0:28:53.402
<v Speaker 3>attempt to make voting easier.

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<v Speaker 2>We were moving props more than anything. They would just

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<v Speaker 2>sort of shuffle us into a scene and shuffle us out,

0:29:02.162 --> 0:29:07.802
<v Speaker 2>so we weren't really performing. It was more like furniture.

0:29:08.362 --> 0:29:11.842
<v Speaker 2>And I don't mean that like, uh, treating me like

0:29:12.962 --> 0:29:16.602
<v Speaker 2>pieces chair or something. No, it was more like, Okay,

0:29:16.842 --> 0:29:19.242
<v Speaker 2>you five are gonna come in here and stand here.

0:29:19.842 --> 0:29:22.562
<v Speaker 2>Then you're gonna go sit over there, and next set,

0:29:22.762 --> 0:29:24.762
<v Speaker 2>you know, you'll be in here and you'll do this.

0:29:27.242 --> 0:29:30.602
<v Speaker 3>Later in the show, Henry appeared with each finalist in

0:29:30.682 --> 0:29:35.202
<v Speaker 3>a pre taped bit under the pretense of each trying

0:29:35.282 --> 0:29:38.962
<v Speaker 3>to convince Henry to pick them. The governor told Henry

0:29:39.002 --> 0:29:41.722
<v Speaker 3>he could give him something from his state's gold mines.

0:29:42.322 --> 0:29:45.762
<v Speaker 3>Debbie Blair, the mother of three, went for the guilt trip,

0:29:46.082 --> 0:29:49.202
<v Speaker 3>saying she needed the three thousand dollars hosting fee to

0:29:49.242 --> 0:29:53.362
<v Speaker 3>give her kids a nice Christmas miscl Spilman cautioned she

0:29:53.442 --> 0:29:56.842
<v Speaker 3>might be dead before in New Year's Eve, and as

0:29:56.962 --> 0:30:01.682
<v Speaker 3>the stereotypical comely co ed, Connie's role was to try

0:30:01.722 --> 0:30:03.002
<v Speaker 3>and seduce Henry.

0:30:03.602 --> 0:30:07.002
<v Speaker 2>So I go into this hotel room and there's a

0:30:07.002 --> 0:30:11.642
<v Speaker 2>little lounge area with the sofa, and they introduced me

0:30:11.762 --> 0:30:14.882
<v Speaker 2>to the other contestants and they say, okay, so each

0:30:14.922 --> 0:30:17.762
<v Speaker 2>one of you is going to try to bribe Buck

0:30:18.122 --> 0:30:21.482
<v Speaker 2>so you can be the host. And it's so telling.

0:30:21.522 --> 0:30:22.002
<v Speaker 5>So I was.

0:30:21.962 --> 0:30:26.282
<v Speaker 2>Eighteen when this happened, and when it came my time

0:30:26.322 --> 0:30:29.722
<v Speaker 2>to shoot, they said, okay, you know what to do,

0:30:30.362 --> 0:30:33.962
<v Speaker 2>and I knew what to do, which was try to

0:30:34.002 --> 0:30:38.562
<v Speaker 2>seduce him, and so we just improvised it and they

0:30:38.642 --> 0:30:39.602
<v Speaker 2>used the first take.

0:30:40.642 --> 0:30:44.642
<v Speaker 3>Aside from the contest, the episode unspooled like a normal

0:30:44.842 --> 0:30:49.202
<v Speaker 3>SNL entry. There were coneheads with Akroyd and curtain playing

0:30:49.242 --> 0:30:54.162
<v Speaker 3>aliens with elongated heads and clipped speech and weekend update,

0:30:54.642 --> 0:30:59.122
<v Speaker 3>and John Belushi as a retired world class athlete disclosing

0:30:59.442 --> 0:31:03.882
<v Speaker 3>that his secret to premium performance is cigarette and chocolate donuts.

0:31:04.802 --> 0:31:06.762
<v Speaker 3>The five returned at the end of the show to

0:31:06.802 --> 0:31:11.042
<v Speaker 3>me one final plea. Connie said that by winning, she

0:31:11.122 --> 0:31:14.802
<v Speaker 3>could flunk every other course but at least pass drama.

0:31:15.322 --> 0:31:18.402
<v Speaker 3>Governor Neepe admitted he didn't really want to win, that

0:31:18.482 --> 0:31:21.242
<v Speaker 3>he was just doing the show for his staff and kids,

0:31:21.322 --> 0:31:23.762
<v Speaker 3>and not to vote for him. He later said he

0:31:23.802 --> 0:31:26.042
<v Speaker 3>thought the week needed to rehearse the show would be

0:31:26.122 --> 0:31:30.282
<v Speaker 3>too much of an imposition. Afterward, Connie got maybe the

0:31:30.482 --> 0:31:34.682
<v Speaker 3>second best perk of appearing on SNL getting to attend

0:31:34.842 --> 0:31:36.402
<v Speaker 3>the vaunted after party.

0:31:36.842 --> 0:31:40.682
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, there is a party. And there

0:31:40.682 --> 0:31:44.722
<v Speaker 2>were all these amazing people there, like Eric Idle was there.

0:31:45.362 --> 0:31:48.122
<v Speaker 2>I mean that to me was huge. And I had

0:31:48.162 --> 0:31:50.762
<v Speaker 2>a little book and I had people autograph stuff, and

0:31:50.802 --> 0:31:55.202
<v Speaker 2>Paul Simon was really snotty to me and everybody else. Yeah,

0:31:55.242 --> 0:31:55.922
<v Speaker 2>it was fun.

0:31:56.802 --> 0:31:59.802
<v Speaker 3>The show was about to take the next few weeks off,

0:32:00.042 --> 0:32:03.842
<v Speaker 3>giving staff enough time to prepare their two shows in December.

0:32:04.322 --> 0:32:08.202
<v Speaker 3>The second would feature the winner, who would America Pick.

0:32:09.362 --> 0:32:12.402
<v Speaker 3>People began tearing out the form from their copy of

0:32:12.522 --> 0:32:16.642
<v Speaker 3>TV Guide and scribbling down a letter. Then NBC and

0:32:16.922 --> 0:32:22.362
<v Speaker 3>SNL staffers tabulated the votes after counting viewers had decided

0:32:22.522 --> 0:32:26.162
<v Speaker 3>the next host of Saturday Night Live was the letter

0:32:26.602 --> 0:32:30.282
<v Speaker 3>e and the only contestant who had been born in

0:32:30.322 --> 0:32:43.802
<v Speaker 3>the nineteenth century. Watching the Finalists episode of SNL, one

0:32:43.882 --> 0:32:49.562
<v Speaker 3>thing becomes immediately apparent. The studio audience loved Miskel' Spilman,

0:32:50.002 --> 0:32:53.962
<v Speaker 3>while the other contestants were typically met with silence. Anything

0:32:54.122 --> 0:32:59.042
<v Speaker 3>Spilman said was greeted with laughter. Anything even dead panning

0:32:59.162 --> 0:33:02.482
<v Speaker 3>that she was old drew a big reaction, and so

0:33:02.722 --> 0:33:07.282
<v Speaker 3>when votes came in, Miskel was the overwhelming favorite, beating

0:33:07.442 --> 0:33:12.162
<v Speaker 3>second placed finalist David Lewis by over fifteen thousand votes.

0:33:13.202 --> 0:33:16.002
<v Speaker 3>One letter said, we cast our votes for the eighty

0:33:16.082 --> 0:33:19.762
<v Speaker 3>year young gal. She is a peach. Come on, Granny,

0:33:19.882 --> 0:33:23.802
<v Speaker 3>do your thing, wrote another. At least two people claiming

0:33:23.882 --> 0:33:27.642
<v Speaker 3>to be President Jimmy Carter wrote in endorsing her, making

0:33:27.722 --> 0:33:30.802
<v Speaker 3>at least one of them a fake. Even Governor Neepe

0:33:30.842 --> 0:33:34.402
<v Speaker 3>said he voted for her America at least the America

0:33:34.482 --> 0:33:38.082
<v Speaker 3>voting for a Saturday Night Live host wanted to see

0:33:38.122 --> 0:33:41.002
<v Speaker 3>an eighty year old interact with the not ready for

0:33:41.082 --> 0:33:45.402
<v Speaker 3>primetime players. That was something Connie Crawford picked up on

0:33:45.602 --> 0:33:46.402
<v Speaker 3>pretty quickly.

0:33:47.002 --> 0:33:49.922
<v Speaker 2>Oh well, there was no question from the beginning that

0:33:50.002 --> 0:33:54.122
<v Speaker 2>she was going to win, because she was ninety years

0:33:54.162 --> 0:33:58.562
<v Speaker 2>old and from Louisiana, and she had this little sparkle

0:33:58.722 --> 0:34:01.322
<v Speaker 2>about her, and just the fact that she was willing

0:34:01.402 --> 0:34:04.202
<v Speaker 2>to do this and that she did it with such

0:34:04.322 --> 0:34:06.522
<v Speaker 2>grace and again.

0:34:06.402 --> 0:34:11.602
<v Speaker 3>Spark Okay, so miss gal Spellman wasn't quite ninety. She

0:34:11.762 --> 0:34:16.082
<v Speaker 3>was born in eighteen ninety seven, generations removed from the

0:34:16.162 --> 0:34:20.402
<v Speaker 3>counterculture vibe of SNL, Yet she was an ardent fan

0:34:20.522 --> 0:34:24.722
<v Speaker 3>of the show, which she watched religiously, including Lauren Michael's

0:34:24.722 --> 0:34:29.162
<v Speaker 3>announcement for the contest. Her birth predated the invention of

0:34:29.242 --> 0:34:34.842
<v Speaker 3>television itself. If both comedy and drama come from conflict,

0:34:35.242 --> 0:34:38.562
<v Speaker 3>what could be better than someone like miscal thrown into

0:34:38.602 --> 0:34:40.442
<v Speaker 3>the hippist show on the air.

0:34:41.042 --> 0:34:43.842
<v Speaker 2>That was evident from the first day. I mean, the

0:34:44.202 --> 0:34:48.042
<v Speaker 2>Governor was splashy, but she was the way I saw

0:34:48.082 --> 0:34:52.202
<v Speaker 2>it as like, oh, she's the special one, because you know,

0:34:52.242 --> 0:34:56.002
<v Speaker 2>this was a time where the generational gap was still

0:34:56.442 --> 0:34:59.722
<v Speaker 2>pretty strictured, and here was this ninety year old woman

0:34:59.882 --> 0:35:03.162
<v Speaker 2>coming onto the subversive show and she was from the

0:35:03.202 --> 0:35:03.962
<v Speaker 2>Deep South.

0:35:04.922 --> 0:35:08.202
<v Speaker 3>In looking at the coverage of the contest, it's fascinating

0:35:08.282 --> 0:35:11.802
<v Speaker 3>to see how reporters didn't really get curious about Miskell.

0:35:12.362 --> 0:35:16.322
<v Speaker 3>Out of the five sweeping characters, the co ed, the Governor,

0:35:16.402 --> 0:35:21.802
<v Speaker 3>the dropout. She was a grandmother stereotype. One article mentioned

0:35:21.802 --> 0:35:24.722
<v Speaker 3>in passing she had been a widow for twenty years.

0:35:25.482 --> 0:35:28.882
<v Speaker 3>Someone with her maiden name of Weatherby once worked as

0:35:28.962 --> 0:35:32.922
<v Speaker 3>a telephone operator for a local rotary club. In nineteen fifteen,

0:35:33.642 --> 0:35:37.402
<v Speaker 3>she was commended for fielding two hundred calls in just

0:35:37.562 --> 0:35:41.962
<v Speaker 3>forty five minutes. While we can't say definitively that was

0:35:42.122 --> 0:35:47.322
<v Speaker 3>our Miskal, it probably was. Yet her work, her life,

0:35:47.882 --> 0:35:51.122
<v Speaker 3>none of it seemed relevant so much as the idea

0:35:51.282 --> 0:35:55.722
<v Speaker 3>of an octagenarian was going to host snow And while

0:35:55.762 --> 0:35:58.802
<v Speaker 3>her age was a big reason people voted for her,

0:35:59.322 --> 0:36:03.162
<v Speaker 3>not everyone was certain she could do it. Miskell's son

0:36:03.322 --> 0:36:06.642
<v Speaker 3>Otis was quoted as saying he was unsure about the

0:36:06.642 --> 0:36:10.162
<v Speaker 3>idea that his mother may not have the stamina for

0:36:10.282 --> 0:36:13.402
<v Speaker 3>live television. I think it would be too much for her,

0:36:13.522 --> 0:36:17.522
<v Speaker 3>he said. SNL was taking a risk too. They were

0:36:17.562 --> 0:36:20.522
<v Speaker 3>banking on a woman who had never before been on

0:36:20.602 --> 0:36:23.722
<v Speaker 3>an airplane or in New York, much less on television

0:36:23.802 --> 0:36:27.322
<v Speaker 3>before her finalist appearance, here's Bill Carter again.

0:36:28.002 --> 0:36:29.602
<v Speaker 1>So that was the risk for the show.

0:36:29.682 --> 0:36:33.322
<v Speaker 5>Actually, the show was taken a risk because imagine if

0:36:33.362 --> 0:36:37.762
<v Speaker 5>she had frozen on stage, how bad that would look.

0:36:37.802 --> 0:36:39.922
<v Speaker 5>That they kind of put this woman in that position.

0:36:40.442 --> 0:36:42.762
<v Speaker 5>So you know, they did take a risk pushing her

0:36:42.802 --> 0:36:44.802
<v Speaker 5>out there in front of millions of viewers.

0:36:46.122 --> 0:36:49.482
<v Speaker 3>It turns out that Miskell had plenty of energy. During

0:36:49.562 --> 0:36:53.402
<v Speaker 3>the finalists show, a reporter noticed Miskel was the only

0:36:53.442 --> 0:36:55.882
<v Speaker 3>one of the five who didn't seem all that nervous

0:36:55.922 --> 0:36:59.962
<v Speaker 3>to be going on live television. The rest were smoking, pacing,

0:37:00.162 --> 0:37:04.682
<v Speaker 3>or inhaling donuts. The week before the show, escorted by

0:37:04.722 --> 0:37:08.562
<v Speaker 3>her granddaughter Janine, Miskel boarded a plane from New Orleans

0:37:08.642 --> 0:37:11.802
<v Speaker 3>headed for New York. When she arrived, she was given

0:37:11.842 --> 0:37:16.122
<v Speaker 3>a warm reception by Lorn and the cast. Writers plotted

0:37:16.242 --> 0:37:19.522
<v Speaker 3>how best to utilize her, which was made easier given

0:37:19.602 --> 0:37:21.762
<v Speaker 3>how natural she had been in front of the camera

0:37:21.922 --> 0:37:25.842
<v Speaker 3>during the finalists show. But there was still a loose

0:37:25.922 --> 0:37:30.162
<v Speaker 3>cannon quality to miscal As charming as she was, as

0:37:30.242 --> 0:37:34.442
<v Speaker 3>comfortable as she seemed, she was still an amateur, and

0:37:34.642 --> 0:37:38.242
<v Speaker 3>amateurs can freeze up or lose their mark on stage,

0:37:38.642 --> 0:37:42.362
<v Speaker 3>So Michaels decided to give Miskell an on stage escort.

0:37:43.002 --> 0:37:47.962
<v Speaker 3>Buck Henry Buck, as you'll recall, hosted the five contenders

0:37:48.402 --> 0:37:50.842
<v Speaker 3>in this era of SNL. He was a kind of

0:37:50.922 --> 0:37:54.562
<v Speaker 3>all star, a bit of a nerdy vibe, very suburban dad,

0:37:54.722 --> 0:37:57.242
<v Speaker 3>but with a bit of a dark side. He was

0:37:57.322 --> 0:37:58.482
<v Speaker 3>also reliable.

0:37:59.242 --> 0:38:03.682
<v Speaker 5>He was enormously admired and respected by the cast and

0:38:03.762 --> 0:38:08.682
<v Speaker 5>by Lorne. He was a veteran writer performer. People loved

0:38:08.722 --> 0:38:12.082
<v Speaker 5>his writing. He could handle anything. You know, he could

0:38:12.162 --> 0:38:12.882
<v Speaker 5>handle anything.

0:38:12.922 --> 0:38:13.082
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:38:13.282 --> 0:38:17.002
<v Speaker 5>When Belushi cut his head with the sword at one time,

0:38:17.402 --> 0:38:21.802
<v Speaker 5>you know, he handled that. So they had great confidence

0:38:21.922 --> 0:38:23.162
<v Speaker 5>in him on stage.

0:38:24.082 --> 0:38:27.202
<v Speaker 3>It's hard to know exactly what people were thinking or

0:38:27.362 --> 0:38:30.442
<v Speaker 3>hoping for when they switched on their televisions at eleven

0:38:30.562 --> 0:38:35.922
<v Speaker 3>thirty on Saturday, December seventeenth, nineteen seventy seven. Were they

0:38:36.002 --> 0:38:40.282
<v Speaker 3>hoping Miskell proved adept and witty? Were they anticipating the

0:38:40.322 --> 0:38:42.402
<v Speaker 3>cast would have to think on their feet to cover

0:38:42.522 --> 0:38:46.162
<v Speaker 3>up her mistakes. The show opens with John Belushi and

0:38:46.202 --> 0:38:50.482
<v Speaker 3>Lorraine Newman in the cast locker room. They discuss Miskell's age,

0:38:50.562 --> 0:38:53.802
<v Speaker 3>and Belushi makes an eerie joke about how he'll be

0:38:53.922 --> 0:38:57.362
<v Speaker 3>dead before he's thirty. The comment got a laugh then,

0:38:57.522 --> 0:39:00.682
<v Speaker 3>but given his death from a drug overdose at thirty

0:39:00.682 --> 0:39:06.482
<v Speaker 3>three in nineteen eighty two, hits differently now. Belushi, trading

0:39:06.522 --> 0:39:10.642
<v Speaker 3>on his party boy image, tells Newman that Miskell seemed nervous,

0:39:10.842 --> 0:39:12.962
<v Speaker 3>so he gave her a joint to calm her down.

0:39:13.562 --> 0:39:17.642
<v Speaker 3>The show leaned hard on two tropes this episode, Miskell's

0:39:17.682 --> 0:39:20.562
<v Speaker 3>age and the idea of getting a grandmother high.

0:39:21.122 --> 0:39:24.322
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's right, that was in the show. Yeah, that

0:39:24.402 --> 0:39:26.842
<v Speaker 5>kind of humor never hit me well anyway. I mean

0:39:26.962 --> 0:39:30.282
<v Speaker 5>I was like drug joke. Come on, I can do

0:39:30.362 --> 0:39:30.802
<v Speaker 5>better than that.

0:39:31.802 --> 0:39:35.842
<v Speaker 3>After the opening credit sequence, Buck Henry walks out to

0:39:35.882 --> 0:39:39.082
<v Speaker 3>the stage with Miskell on his arm, and Miskell does

0:39:39.122 --> 0:39:42.242
<v Speaker 3>a very good job of pretending to be stoned, telling

0:39:42.282 --> 0:39:46.562
<v Speaker 3>buck Henry she can see colors. From that point on,

0:39:46.882 --> 0:39:51.442
<v Speaker 3>Miskell Spilman is deployed very carefully. She appears sitting next

0:39:51.442 --> 0:39:54.362
<v Speaker 3>to Jane Curtin as curtain reads a holiday story re

0:39:54.522 --> 0:39:58.162
<v Speaker 3>enacted by Belusi and Gilda Radner. In the story, Belushi

0:39:58.242 --> 0:40:01.522
<v Speaker 3>gifts his girlfriend a kidney and she gives him a

0:40:01.562 --> 0:40:05.762
<v Speaker 3>watch chain. Miskell nails her lines, and then it's onto

0:40:05.802 --> 0:40:10.442
<v Speaker 3>the requisite hosting duty of introducing the musical guest ladies

0:40:10.482 --> 0:40:14.842
<v Speaker 3>and gentlemen, Elvis Costello. She then appears briefly in a

0:40:14.882 --> 0:40:18.322
<v Speaker 3>sketch as Bill Murray's mother while Murray's character robs a bank,

0:40:18.882 --> 0:40:22.322
<v Speaker 3>but her real star turn is in the next segment,

0:40:22.722 --> 0:40:26.282
<v Speaker 3>when Belushi returns home from College to greet his parents

0:40:26.602 --> 0:40:30.002
<v Speaker 3>played by Dan Ackrod and Jane Curtin. He wants them

0:40:30.042 --> 0:40:32.682
<v Speaker 3>to meet his new girlfriend, whom he's brought home for

0:40:32.762 --> 0:40:37.322
<v Speaker 3>the holidays. The audience can sense what's going to happen next,

0:40:37.842 --> 0:40:41.762
<v Speaker 3>and they go crazy when Belushi ushers in Miskel his

0:40:41.922 --> 0:40:45.442
<v Speaker 3>new flame. Akrd and Curtain try to make sense of

0:40:45.482 --> 0:40:49.562
<v Speaker 3>it before accepting their son has found true love Harold

0:40:49.602 --> 0:40:53.002
<v Speaker 3>and Maud style. But before the show is over, the

0:40:53.042 --> 0:40:59.482
<v Speaker 3>worst thing possible did happen. Warren Michael's lost control. It

0:40:59.762 --> 0:41:04.482
<v Speaker 3>just wasn't Miskle's doing. During his set, Elvis Costello, who

0:41:04.522 --> 0:41:08.202
<v Speaker 3>had just released his first album in the Uba, stopped

0:41:08.322 --> 0:41:11.562
<v Speaker 3>the song he was playing, less than Zero and told

0:41:11.562 --> 0:41:16.282
<v Speaker 3>his band to move into radio radio instead. For Michaels

0:41:16.322 --> 0:41:21.162
<v Speaker 3>and SNL, this was verboten. Musical acts didn't just decide

0:41:21.202 --> 0:41:24.002
<v Speaker 3>on the fly what they were going to do. As

0:41:24.042 --> 0:41:28.562
<v Speaker 3>rebellious as SNL was, it still had NBC's censors and

0:41:28.682 --> 0:41:33.482
<v Speaker 3>the FCC to contend with. And for all its seeming spontaneity,

0:41:34.042 --> 0:41:38.602
<v Speaker 3>SNL was planned down to the second that Bill believes

0:41:39.002 --> 0:41:41.322
<v Speaker 3>is what really set Michaels off.

0:41:42.042 --> 0:41:45.002
<v Speaker 5>This show has to basically end ninety minutes, so he

0:41:45.162 --> 0:41:47.962
<v Speaker 5>has to have a clock going in his head. So

0:41:48.002 --> 0:41:51.282
<v Speaker 5>if someone comes in and does something like changes the song,

0:41:51.362 --> 0:41:54.322
<v Speaker 5>well the song's gonna be maybe a different lane, so

0:41:54.402 --> 0:41:57.402
<v Speaker 5>that may mess up the whole next whatever the pattern

0:41:57.482 --> 0:42:00.762
<v Speaker 5>is after that. So yes, if somebody does something that

0:42:00.842 --> 0:42:04.602
<v Speaker 5>he doesn't expect or he didn't plan, not obviously an

0:42:04.602 --> 0:42:07.642
<v Speaker 5>ad lib, that's fine. If it's funny, that's fine. But

0:42:07.762 --> 0:42:10.242
<v Speaker 5>to change the structure in some way, that's not going

0:42:10.322 --> 0:42:13.642
<v Speaker 5>to go. And he doesn't like people messing with his show.

0:42:14.282 --> 0:42:18.722
<v Speaker 3>Michaels was furious. He allegedly gave Costello the middle finger

0:42:18.802 --> 0:42:23.522
<v Speaker 3>from offstage, and again allegedly Costello was banned from appearing

0:42:23.562 --> 0:42:27.762
<v Speaker 3>on SNL for a decade, and just like that, the

0:42:27.842 --> 0:42:31.442
<v Speaker 3>show was over. Miskel joined the cast on stage to

0:42:31.562 --> 0:42:34.922
<v Speaker 3>wave goodbye in a missus clause costume while the credits

0:42:35.042 --> 0:42:40.562
<v Speaker 3>rolled for a publicity stunt. It worked spectacularly well. The

0:42:40.722 --> 0:42:44.882
<v Speaker 3>Miskel Spilman episode of Saturday Night Live drew a staggering

0:42:45.122 --> 0:42:50.282
<v Speaker 3>fourteen point five million viewers, the highest rated episode of

0:42:50.322 --> 0:42:53.602
<v Speaker 3>the series up to that point, drawing more attention than

0:42:53.602 --> 0:42:55.842
<v Speaker 3>the season premiere with Steve Martin.

0:42:56.202 --> 0:42:59.322
<v Speaker 5>They had this tremendous publicity, So it doesn't surprise me

0:42:59.402 --> 0:43:03.242
<v Speaker 5>that much that it did extremely well, because beyond everything

0:43:03.242 --> 0:43:06.602
<v Speaker 5>else was a curiosity like, oh my gosh, what is

0:43:07.002 --> 0:43:07.562
<v Speaker 5>I gonna do?

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<v Speaker 3>The record wouldn't stand for long. Chevy Chase, returning to

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<v Speaker 3>host in February nineteen seventy eight, got twenty five million viewers.

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<v Speaker 3>Chase also got into a fight with Bill Murray backstage

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<v Speaker 3>in an apparent clash of egos, which is something else

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<v Speaker 3>Miskel Spilman couldn't brag about. What she could lay claim

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<v Speaker 3>to was being the coolest of customers in a pressure cooker.

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<v Speaker 5>You could tell she was game. She was game for it,

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<v Speaker 5>you know what I mean. She wasn't intimidated. She was Okay,

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<v Speaker 5>whatever I'm supposed to do, I'm going to do it.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think people really admire that. You know, she

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<v Speaker 5>as an eighty year old person did not fit naturally,

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<v Speaker 5>but I think they embraced her, and that's why it worked.

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<v Speaker 3>The Miskel Spilman episode remains a remarkable chapter in the

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<v Speaker 3>history of SNL. She wasn't the oldest ever host of

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<v Speaker 3>the show, not even then. In the second season, actress

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<v Speaker 3>Ruth Gordon hosted at the age of eighty one, and

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<v Speaker 3>decades later Betty White would set the record at the

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<v Speaker 3>age of eighty eight, but Miskel Spilman remains the winner

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<v Speaker 3>of the first and only Anyone Can Host competition. No

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<v Speaker 3>one in the forty seven seasons to follow hosted who

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<v Speaker 3>was totally unfamiliar to the audience, plucked from obscurity to

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<v Speaker 3>entertain a pet theory of Michael's. The closest SNL ever

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<v Speaker 3>came again to this grand experiment was in nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 3>three when Brandon Tartikoff head lined an episode. While he

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't all that well known or much of a celebrity,

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<v Speaker 3>he did have one thing going for him. He was

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<v Speaker 3>the president of NBC's entertainment division. Miskel was the only

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<v Speaker 3>true civilian to ever do it.

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<v Speaker 5>It was in the B range for me, As I recall,

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<v Speaker 5>I haven't gone back and looked at it. I thought

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<v Speaker 5>she was cute and occasionally adorable with what they were

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<v Speaker 5>doing with her, it didn't stand out. I mean, if

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<v Speaker 5>I went back and looked at it, maybe a sketch

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<v Speaker 5>would stand out to me, but it wasn't overly memorable.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think the most notable thing about it is

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<v Speaker 5>that they never did it again.

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<v Speaker 3>They didn't really have to. As the years went on,

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<v Speaker 3>SNL grew from a counterculture maverick to an institution. There

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<v Speaker 3>were some interactive segments. Who could forget Eddie Murphy imploring

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<v Speaker 3>viewers to call in and vote to spare the life

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<v Speaker 3>of a lobster he wanted to boil in nineteen eighty two,

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<v Speaker 3>But for the most part SNL had tenure. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>eighty four, syndicated columnist Bob Green caught up with Miskel

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<v Speaker 3>to ask about her experience. She said it had been

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<v Speaker 3>the most thrilling night of her life. She said her

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<v Speaker 3>granddaughter was scared she might have a heart attack, but

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<v Speaker 3>that she didn't feel nervous at all. She recalled how

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<v Speaker 3>nice John Belushi was to her, how Bill Murray and

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<v Speaker 3>Gilda Radner invited her and her daughter out for dinner,

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<v Speaker 3>where they all talked until four o'clock in the morning,

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<v Speaker 3>how she and Radner had remained pen pals, writing letters

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<v Speaker 3>to one another for years. Afterward, Miskell was also gifted

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<v Speaker 3>a signed scrap book which congratulated her on winning. Lauren

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<v Speaker 3>Michaels signed it along with several of the writers, so

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<v Speaker 3>did Bill Murray, John Belucy, Jane Curtin, dan Aykroyd, Gilda Radner,

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<v Speaker 3>and of course Buck Henry Inside were many of the

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<v Speaker 3>letters sent in that voted for her. As late as

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty nine, she was still watching the show, admitting

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<v Speaker 3>she had to take a nap to stay up that late.

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<v Speaker 3>Her favorite cast member at that time was Dana Carvey,

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<v Speaker 3>and like most fans of SNL, she thought the show

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't as good as it used to be. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>ninety two, Miskell's Spilman, SNL's only civilian host, died at

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<v Speaker 3>the age of ninety five.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what she says.

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<v Speaker 5>She had a line in the show where she said

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<v Speaker 5>they had to give to me because I may only

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<v Speaker 5>live another twenty five years or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that, and damn she lived.

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<v Speaker 5>She lived fifteen, She lived fifteen more years.

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<v Speaker 1>She was ninety five.

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<v Speaker 3>The fate of the other contestants is largely unknown. Richard

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<v Speaker 3>Neepe died in nineteen eighty seven, but Debbie Blair and

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<v Speaker 3>David Lewis, who were part of this strange chapter in

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<v Speaker 3>show business, aren't easily found. They were candidates for a

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<v Speaker 3>grand experiment. Michaels had set out to prove anyone could

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<v Speaker 3>host SNL and he did well, maybe he found out

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<v Speaker 3>miss goals. Bilman could host, But could anyone? Could you

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<v Speaker 3>host SNL? Stand on stage in front of millions of

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<v Speaker 3>people and not panic?

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<v Speaker 5>It's not easy. It's not the easiest thing in the

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<v Speaker 5>world to do. As I said, if you don't have

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<v Speaker 5>a level of confidence to be out there in front

0:48:05.162 --> 0:48:08.202
<v Speaker 5>of that live audience and on camera, you could really

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<v Speaker 5>freeze up and have nothing. So I don't believe anyone

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<v Speaker 5>could do it. No, And I admire the fact that

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<v Speaker 5>she did it well. I think there was no built

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<v Speaker 5>in reason why she should have pulled that off, even

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<v Speaker 5>with the writing they had, etc. You see people try

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<v Speaker 5>to get up and just talk at a PTA meeting

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<v Speaker 5>and they can't do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Could Bill Carter?

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<v Speaker 1>Hell No.

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<v Speaker 5>The idea of standing in front of an audience and

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<v Speaker 5>getting them to laugh and the idea of not getting

0:48:36.082 --> 0:48:40.642
<v Speaker 5>them to laugh is like, you know, facing a crocodile.

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<v Speaker 3>For Connie Crawford, the Anyone Can Host contest was meant

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<v Speaker 3>to be a fleeting thrill. After Vassar, Connie went on

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<v Speaker 3>to Juilliard, the prestigious acting school, and got involved in theater,

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<v Speaker 3>including the improv group, the Groundlings. She now teaches acting

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<v Speaker 3>and directing at Brown University. She's never gone back to

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<v Speaker 3>look at the episode where she was able to stand

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<v Speaker 3>next to a legend cast she had revered on television.

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<v Speaker 3>After all, it's called Saturday Night Live.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never seen it, and I've made a point of

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<v Speaker 2>not seeing it just because it was so much fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to watch it and go oh, or

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't want to poison the memory because

0:49:28.602 --> 0:49:30.802
<v Speaker 2>it was live. I mean, that's the whole thing. That's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of hard today to have people understand the how

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<v Speaker 2>ethereal it was. If you missed it, you missed it,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's it, and you would never see it. That

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of the magic of it. And so that

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<v Speaker 2>was the fun of it for me. You know. Then

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<v Speaker 2>I go back to school, and you know, I just

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<v Speaker 2>have this kind of happy memory, and I've just chosen

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<v Speaker 2>to keep it that way because it was really special

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<v Speaker 2>and silly and and it was a great show.

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<v Speaker 3>No oh, she didn't wind up running away to Nicaragua

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<v Speaker 3>with dan Akride.

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<v Speaker 2>It was so disappointing. He didn't love me, no, But

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<v Speaker 2>by that point I wasn't in love with him anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh No, I mean at that point, if I had

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to, it would have been Blue Shie.

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