WEBVTT - Someone Else’s Scandoval with Tom Schwartz 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:06.760 Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of Amy and TJ. 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:09.800 And we have a very special guest in the studio 0:00:09.840 --> 0:00:13.319 with us today. And if you have never in your 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:19.320 natural life ever watched a reality show, you probably still. 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:20.120 Know this name. 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:25.680 Yes, vander Pump Rules. It was everywhere and it still is. 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:28.760 It's been going on for eleven seasons, by the way, 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:32.159 but season ten, this was last year. Things hit a 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:33.160 fever pitch. 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:36.120 Okay, And you didn't have to be watching to know this, 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:37.839 because the truth of the matter is you and I 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:42.920 robes we okay, below Deck? Yes, what else are we 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:43.600 hooked on. 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:45.839 When it comes to reality show ninety fiance? 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:47.879 That's new to us, but we just started but yes, 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:51.279 just started it. But below Deck is the one we 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:52.120 were really into your head. 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:54.200 Below Deck got us through last year. 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:54.600 Okay. 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:57.560 So I never, to be honest with you, I've never 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:01.959 seen vander Pump Rules. I hadn't really heard of it, 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:05.160 but for in the past several months, six months plus, 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:07.600 it was everywhere to where I thought it was a 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:08.160 new show. 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:11.360 Right, you said, what is this show called vander Pump Rules? 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:14.520 The hashtag scanned of all was everywhere and so it 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:16.680 kind of led people there but to go way back, 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:18.080 as I had to explain it to you, and I 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:20.600 think a lot of people might not know. This all 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:23.600 began with the storied franchise The Real Housewives, and this 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:26.679 was The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and Lisa vander Pump, 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:30.759 who was a main star in that. She took her 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:34.040 time from there and spun off another reality show which 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:37.399 was called vander Pump Rules. She is a restaurant tour. 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:40.440 This was a reality show about her staff members and 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:44.679 who knew the drama would be what it became, and 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:49.240 it certainly I think even surprised the show producers, everyone 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:52.680 who was involved with it, because they had over eleven 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:57.200 million viewers last year. That is huge for any cable 0:01:57.200 --> 0:01:57.920 streaming show. 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:00.560 And not just that it's a matter of look you 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:02.000 hear it you. I mean, you could read an article 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:06.080 a day about how the television landscape is changing and 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:10.600 how viewership is going down on television across all genres. 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:13.560 But to see a show that's been on now for 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:16.320 eleven seasons to survive eleven seasons is big in the 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:19.000 first place, but to actually be increasing your viewership, and 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:21.200 in some cases they're getting the highest numbers they've seen 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:25.840 over at Bravo in almost a decade. In some demos, 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:29.480 that tells you something is going well over there. But 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:31.560 something's going well because something would really really bad. 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:34.480 Exactly. I was like, high ratings might be great for 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:37.880 the network and for perhaps people's paychecks, it doesn't necessarily 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:40.200 mean it was great for people's personal lives. And that's 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:43.680 exactly the case that happened over at vander Pump Rules. 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:46.160 But we've all been watching and we actually were able 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:49.880 to catch up and are so excited about our next 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:53.400 guest because he is a big player and a huge 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:56.120 part of what ended up being. As I mentioned before, 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:59.560 that hashtag scanned of all, we all know him and 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:02.960 you have probably a very strong opinion about him either way. 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:05.240 And that's I think that was I was saying this 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:08.680 to you earlier a moment ago. But the reason I 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:11.200 know about the show is because of the scandal. And 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:13.960 I didn't, to be honest with you, I started seeing 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:17.359 scandalval everywhere. I didn't know there was a scandal attached. 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:19.680 I thought it was actually I said, okay, what is that. 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:22.480 I didn't research it. I just see scandabal, scandabal, scandabal. 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:25.360 I actually didn't know what it meant. I didn't know 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:29.200 what they were talking about. And his name is Tom Sandoval, 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:32.240 kind of clever hash jack yep, give him credit for that. 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:36.440 But yes, there was a scandal with him and his girlfriend, 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:40.120 and people were taking sides, and they were taking signs 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:44.080 not just okay, Tom Sandival, you're a bad guy, but 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:49.240 people associated with him, including his business partner. They have 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:52.320 what two restaurants together, and they have. 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:55.000 Two ventures together. And his name actually happens to be 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:58.320 Tom too, so it's one of their Oh yeah, Tom, 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:00.560 Tom is one of their businesses. Makes a lot of sense. 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:04.600 But the other Tom, the best friend, Tom got completely 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:08.280 sucked into this scandal because he knew about it before 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:09.040 everyone else. 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:11.880 So a lot of people who are hating on Tom 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:15.120 Sandi all, well, there was some residual height. They went 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:19.599 to Tom Schwartz, his really really good friend. He got 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:22.240 a lot of that blowback as well, and a lot 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:24.479 of people had a lot to say about Tom Schwartz, 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:26.440 and a lot of people had a lot of questions 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:27.760 for Tom Schwartz. 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:31.960 We have Tom Shwarts with us. Welcome to the I 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:32.960 Heard Studios. 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:35.400 Thank you for the applause, and thank you for emphasis 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:38.680 on very special it is I heard that now? 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:40.920 Is that natural? You naturally threw your fist in the 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:42.680 air when the intro came right, Yeah, that's me. 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:45.680 I feel good. It feels cozy in here, oh good, 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:47.320 And hopefully it feels safe. 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:47.800 Very safe. 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:50.640 Good God, How does it feel these days after all 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:52.760 they went through last season, which we don't have to 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:54.880 explain to people, But when you go out and when 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:57.680 you would go out, did you feel safe? Did you 0:04:57.680 --> 0:04:59.800 feel like people were eyeing you? Did you always feel 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:02.240 like somebody was looking at you in a negative light? 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:04.880 Yeah, there was a moment there where I always felt 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:10.400 like someone was watching me, and it felt very Truman 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:12.960 Show esque. It wasn't nearly as bad for me as 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:15.920 it was for Sandoval. He couldn't go anywhere without paparazzi 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:18.359 following him, sitting outside, camped out of his house like 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:22.400 twenty four to seven for like three months. And you know, 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:25.080 they would follow me around every once in a while. 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:28.440 And I have a tendency just to ramble on when 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:30.280 someone shoves a camera in your face, because it's kind 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:32.760 of jarring. I'm sure you guys know, we know a 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:33.240 little bit. 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:39.080 About it, just just a little bit about that. Sorry, 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:40.880 Like I said, it's a safe space. 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:45.320 Yeah yeah. And I remember a few interviews like TMZ 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:48.440 where it's like, you know, it's alarming when they shove 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:50.960 a camera up in your face and you you it 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:57.080 like intrinsically, you instinctually you smile awkwardly, but like even 0:05:57.080 --> 0:06:00.640 though they're talking about a serious, you know, heated topic. 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:03.520 And I don't know, I remember just making a fool 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:05.840 of myself a lot of the time. But uh, it 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:08.800 was a trip. The whole thing was a trip, you know, 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:10.160 add a very bad. 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:13.200 Message trip, because there actually is. I'm sure you found 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:14.600 this out if you looked at the headlines or the 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:18.680 pictures afterwards. There is no actual appropriate facial expression you 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:21.240 can make because they'll make something out of whatever facial 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:25.080 expression you're making. Yes, thank you, yes, right, yeah, it's 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:26.919 hard to be you. Let me ask you this. People 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:29.440 have always said this, and they still say it. There's 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:32.320 no such thing as bad press. Do you believe that? 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:38.480 I think the past year has proved that saying wrong honestly, 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:43.880 I mean, maybe good for the show, the network, good 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:48.479 for ratings, bad for the soul, you know. I think 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:52.720 I'll stick with that. Yeah, yeah, but I mean it did. 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:54.039 It did. 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:56.120 There was a great human cost, of course, but like 0:06:56.160 --> 0:07:00.320 it did revitalize the show and it brought on a 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:03.080 whole new audience. You know, I've got so many people. 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:05.160 We have two bars and Tom, Tom and Schwartz and 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:07.280 Sandies would love to host you guys, if you're ever an. 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:08.200 La, we will be there. 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:10.920 So I would love to set you off for beers. 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:13.560 Yeah, still too hot around you. 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:16.320 We just get Yeah, do you really want us to 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:18.240 come there? Actually, by the way, maybe we're not the 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:20.600 appropriate We're kidding, of course we're kidding. 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:22.200 It's a safe place. 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:26.280 But uh yeah, Well I want to ask you because 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:29.360 you mentioned something that is first and foremost on my mind. 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:32.720 The show vendor Pump Rules was declining in viewers. It 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:35.520 was not doing as well as it had been in 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:38.280 the past. So a lot of people said, this scandal 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:42.240 is bs. This scandal thing is a made up, scripted 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:45.560 thing that isn't true, and they did it for the 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:46.360 ratings solely. 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:52.280 Yeah, that's that's blowney. There's no way you could pull 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:54.240 that off in this day and age. There would have 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:57.400 been a whistleblower at some point, you know, someone would 0:07:57.400 --> 0:07:59.640 have went rogue and be like, this is fake, this 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:04.360 is thrived. You know, it's a PR stunt. But the 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:07.239 truth is, aside from me and a few other people, 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:11.120 no one on production knew. Lisa didn't know, Ken didn't know, 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:13.320 none of the executive producers knew. 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:14.680 How long had you known? 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:18.960 I knew, I knew, I knew, and even when I 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:21.360 didn't know, I knew. That's my little song, I sing. 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:25.679 I gave myself a lobotomy, and I've removed that whole 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:29.040 chapter from my life from my memory. So I had 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:32.400 it surgerly removed and it's just much more pleasant now. 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:34.720 You know, for everybody, What difference does it make? You 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:37.800 did know? Right? You knew that he was stepping out 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:41.559 on his girlfriend, and depends on like people want to 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:45.360 judge you by when you knew, So why is that? 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:49.080 Is that still not clear? Because you, like you said, 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:52.400 it's like a you kind of faded into some way 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:54.560 you don't really know for sure. So but and then 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:56.680 people criticized you for that, like come on, man, so 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:59.560 what is the definitive answer there? And why is it 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:00.000 so important? 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:04.760 I honestly I did my best to reconstruct that whole storyline. 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:07.440 But like, also it wasn't my life. I wasn't the 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:11.360 one having an affair. And I'm telling you, I'm telling 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:15.520 you my brain was just not functioning properly. I was 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:18.440 under constant duress. I was in a constant state of 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:21.760 like fight or flight. Fresh off of divorce. I almost 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:23.880 lost my daddy was in the hospital for seven months, 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:27.319 like he almost died four times. My brother got cancer. 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:31.160 My other brother had was, you know, almost lost his 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:35.319 life because of cirrhosis. And it just I was going 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:38.800 through it was I was absolutely just mired in my 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:41.800 own melodrama. You know what I mean, We get it. 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:44.040 I mean, when you only can take so much, and 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:46.880 especially with all that other drama going on in your life, 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:51.640 real actual personal drama, life or death drama, it gets 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:54.640 all muddled. Sometimes you see it in slow motion. Sometimes 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:56.920 you can't remember. That makes perfect sense. I think to 0:09:56.920 --> 0:10:00.800 anyone who's gone through anything traumatic, let me ask you this, 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:05.320 what how would you describe you know, you chose to 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:08.080 put your life in front of the cameras. What has 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:09.480 the price of fame cost you? 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:17.600 Hmm, Well a lot of sleepless nights. And I don't 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:22.439 do this anymore. But like dwelling on worst case, hypothetical 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:25.840 scenarios or like dread after it's in the can you 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:28.439 filmed the season and you're like, oh my god, I'm 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:30.520 going to have to relive this in front of millions 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:36.200 of people and get absolutely roasted, castigated, just flamed on 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:39.520 the internet, and you know, but for the most part, 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:42.280 I have nothing but good things to say about the 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:45.839 whole experience. I mean, how lucky are we You get 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:47.920 to be on a show with people you love, some 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:50.480 of your best friends in the world, and they follow 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:55.720 you around and the highs, the lows, everything in between. Like, overall, 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:59.520 I just feel I'm full of gratitude. It's been such 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:02.760 a wow. I'll ride and it's been a wave and 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:05.000 I know one day it's gonna crash, But for now, 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:06.480 I think we're still riding high. 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:11.880 Still riding high. What has where are you now compared 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:15.600 to where you were after that season finale last year? Like, 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:18.120 how have things have things slowed down? Calmed down? You 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:20.000 talk about paparazzi and things like that. That's one thing, 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:23.360 but how do you think you've settled back into your 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:24.560 life in some way? Now? 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:28.720 I love that question. Yeah, I was a basket case 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:33.920 last year for a multitude of reasons. And you know, 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:37.319 I was like often dejected. I kind of was turning 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:42.080 into a hermit, snuggled up in my little hermitage, which 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:44.800 you know, at times was lovely with the dogs. Shout 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:49.120 out to Gordo and Butters, my surrogate therapists, and my plants. 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:50.800 Shout out to my plants, all twenty three of them. 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:52.240 Oh, yes, you have a lot of plants. 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:53.880 I have a lot of plants. But I gotta say 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:57.000 right now, like I don't want to jinx. It is 0:11:57.000 --> 0:11:58.480 there wood in here I can knock on. But like, 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:02.160 right now, everything feels kind of stable, and I'm smiling 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:04.640 a lot more. I feel a little lighter on my 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:07.040 my feet and or is it lighter on your toes? 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:09.200 My feet? 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:09.560 I think? 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:14.720 So didn't sound right again, But no, I feel I'm 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:18.720 like kind of brimming with optimism again. I got levity 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:20.800 in the system. I'm a little more like happy, go 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:24.000 lucky Schwartz. But like also, I feel like I've matured 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:27.880 significantly just with the stuff I've dealt with the past 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:29.680 few years. You know, I had a little bit of 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:32.800 a well some would say boyish charm, others might say 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:37.240 Peter pant syndrome. Whish I take offense to or. 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:40.559 I'm very mature and I thank you no, but I felt. 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:44.880 That over here by the way in the corner here, yes, 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:50.160 getting there. You mentioned the dogs and and and the plants. 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:53.120 Did you seek professional help? Have you been helped by 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:55.240 a professional through some of these times? I? 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:59.920 Uh no, I've just referring to my surrogate therapists, like 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:07.880 you know, snowboarding reading. Uh, Cody from Peloton's always there 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:11.960 for me, Lorie's there. My manager Ryan, he was mad 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:14.000 at and give him a shout out last time, Ryan Ravell, 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:18.120 thank you for consoling me. And in times of need. 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:20.320 We're gonna edit that out just to piss him. 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:25.040 I love that, Honestly, I have gotten. 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:27.960 I've gotten therapy before and and I think for the 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:32.360 most part, uh, it was great. You know. I signed 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:35.560 up for Better betterhelp dot com and I actually put 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:37.760 my down payment, but I never actually moved forward with 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:38.360 the sessions. 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:40.520 But it's there just in case. 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:46.120 Thank you. But I am an advocate for seeking council therapy, 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:50.960 life coaches. I love reading you know, motivational book big 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:55.320 on stoicism lately, Yeah, I like the Daily Stoic You guys. 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:58.160 But it's a good way to start your day. Yeah, 0:13:58.440 --> 0:13:59.640 I will check that out. 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:03.160 You know, people oftentimes say that these types of shows 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:06.160 are especially if they're portrayed in a negative way. They're 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:08.920 edited a certain way to make people feel a certain 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:12.800 way about certain people. Did that happen? And what do 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:16.440 you think people got wrong when they watched the season? 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:17.560 What do they get wrong about you? 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:22.000 It's such a cop out to cry editing, Like it's 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:24.480 almost like it's a big no no in our world. 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:28.240 Don't cry editing. Just take ownership, radical accountability, whatever you 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:31.080 want to call it. But yes, there's times where I'm like, wait, 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:34.120 hold on a sack, did I is that the way 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:34.800 that went down? 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:35.400 Exactly? 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:37.320 And by the way, shout out to our whole production 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:41.280 team behind the scenes, our editor it's like a masterclass 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:44.680 in editing. Our editors absolutely crush it. But yeah, there's 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:50.960 times where I'm just like, man, did it really go 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:53.960 down just like that? But I gotta say our show 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:57.560 stays pretty true to form. It's organic, it's authentic, and 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:01.760 yeah that's something I'm proud of and sometimes like great 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:06.480 cost to my sanity. But there's very few moments where 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:09.600 I've ever felt like contrived or forced, or like we 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:11.960 were phoning it in or performing, you know, and that's 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:13.880 a testament to everybody on the cast. 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:16.040 Help us with the schedule there a little bit, like 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:19.200 let's say you were shooting today, right cruise with you. 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:22.520 Everything's being shot, how long before? What was shot on 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:24.800 this day before it actually hit the air? What was 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:25.520 that lifetime? 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:28.000 We usually film in the summer, sometimes around like May 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:31.520 or June, and we'll film for like three months principal photography, 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:35.840 which is always a rush, and then you know, we'll 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:39.000 do pickups, we'll do talking head like confessionals, you know, 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:42.680 and by the way, which is like torture for me, 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:45.000 just having to listen to myself talk for like two 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:50.880 point five hours in a dank little room anyways, and 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:54.560 then you know, usually turn around is like another two 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:55.480 or three months from then. 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:57.840 Okay, so yeah, you're talking some stuff you end up 0:15:57.840 --> 0:15:59.800 seeing in an episode with some something that went down 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:00.480 month ago. 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:06.160 Yeah, almost, yes, And you know, sometimes sometimes your memory 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:09.480 gets a little cloudy with you know, I'll call consumption 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:11.320 or other things and stuff like that, and then you're 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:13.440 like you're watching and you're just like, oh my god, 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:14.640 the shame the. 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:17.360 Deep sense of shame you feel, Oh God, but you've 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:19.240 been through it enough and you know how this how 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:22.320 it works. But have you gotten close to quitting the show? 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:28.000 You know? I think season three where I was in 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:32.000 this weird kind of a big us phase where I 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:35.000 was kind of recognizable. I won't say famous, but like 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:37.760 I was still working my regular jobs, going on castings 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:41.800 for print, commercial work, bartending, catering, all that stuff, and 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:45.080 like people. It was weird because I wasn't really getting paid, 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:46.640 but I was recognizable. 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:48.600 And I think season three, I sat. 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:49.920 Down with my manager and he's like, what do you 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:51.640 want to do here? I think you should either go 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:55.000 all in or just you know, walk away and pursue 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:57.920 acting and everything. And I was like, Okay, let's do it. 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:00.800 I saw so many good things happening for my friends 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:03.560 and great opportunities coming their way, so I was like, 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:06.680 screw it, I'm gonna go all in. And I haven't 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:10.640 looked back since, but for sure in the beginning, uh yeah, man, 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:12.480 there was still like a stigma attached to it back 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:15.280 in the day, like it started in twenty eleven. And 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:17.560 in my mind, if you did a reality TV show 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:20.560 like your Dreams of being an actor. Were kind of 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:25.280 jeopardized compromised, right, I don't know. But now it's like, 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:29.960 I mean, reality TV people are like, I'm not saying 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:32.560 I'm an A list or maybe B minus. 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:37.080 C plus would they they call y'all bravoleberties. Is that 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:37.840 what it is that I say it? 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:38.080 Right? 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:43.880 Yeah, you said it right, Bravo celeberties. What's been the 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:47.760 financial impact for you of Scandalval? You say, you look 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:50.240 back and you're happy, you've done what you've done and 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:53.440 all in you're you're happy to be a reality TV 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:57.000 show star. But you got two businesses right associated with 0:17:57.160 --> 0:18:01.400 Tom Sandoval. How are they doing? Because I was looking 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:04.800 up it's like they're saying, your moments from closure, Tom, Tom, 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:07.639 and so give us the status of where you are 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:08.520 with your businesses. 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:10.760 Well, it's kind of harrowing. It's like, you know, when 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:12.880 you have a business with your name on the side 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:17.080 and someone does something shitty, it's like people can apply pressure, 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:21.639 and they did. Yes, we kind of got docs. It's like, 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:25.000 I mean, I have no I don't have any bitterness 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:26.920 in my tone when I say this, because I want 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:29.679 to see everybody succeed, even people that I'm not super 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:31.840 tight with you know, I want everybody to eat. 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:35.399 And eat they did. People got fat. 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:38.480 And happy off of that whole affair. You know a 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:44.560 lot of people blew up their podcasts merch. Yeah, man, 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:47.879 a lot of people got fat and happy. Me not 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:51.080 so much. It's like, you know, you got your name 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:53.960 plaster on the side with the guy who had the 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:56.640 you know, did the thing. I'm sorry, I just can't 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:58.919 even say the word anymore. This you know what of 0:18:58.960 --> 0:18:59.359 all word. 0:18:59.480 --> 0:19:01.600 But it's tiring, right. 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:04.360 It was brutal, I gotta be honest. It was absolutely brutal. 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:08.240 And yeah, I saw like a dark side of humanity, 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:12.399 like it got ugly. Without going into specifics, like it 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:14.520 got ugly, you know, there was there was times where 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:18.600 I was legitimately nervous about going into Schwarts and Sandy's 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:24.760 maybe like watered down vague threats. I don't know about 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:27.200 death threats, but like, you know, people threatening to come 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:30.000 in and like I didn't want to say it. 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:32.560 But folks wishing you physical harm. Yes, harm. 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:39.480 Yes, it was scary and sometimes odd and sometimes hilarious. 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:45.880 But it was scary, man. But looking back, uh, I'm 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:48.160 just processing it now. I'm finally at a place where 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:52.600 I feel uh yeah, Like I said earlier, I feel 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:55.800 optimistic again. We're giving the bar a revamp. We just 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:58.240 install the new sound system, we got new drinks, new food, 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:01.160 and it's like Schwartz and Sandy's two point oh and 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:03.640 I feel good. Yeah, I feel like we have momentum 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:06.399 again and it's incredibly refreshing. 0:20:15.200 --> 0:20:17.320 People have suggested you change the name. Did you ever 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:17.800 think about it? 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:20.240 Oh? Yeah, I mean I never Sorry, Tom, if you 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:22.119 ever hear this. I never liked the name from the 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:24.879 get go, but I didn't have a better suggestion, so 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:27.320 I was like, all right, that's just college shorts and 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:28.280 Sandy's I don't care. 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:29.840