1 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of Amy and TJ. 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 1: And we have a very special guest in the studio 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:13,319 Speaker 1: with us today. And if you have never in your 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: natural life ever watched a reality show, you probably still. 5 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 2: Know this name. 6 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 3: Yes, vander Pump Rules. It was everywhere and it still is. 7 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 3: It's been going on for eleven seasons, by the way, 8 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 3: but season ten, this was last year. Things hit a 9 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 3: fever pitch. 10 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: Okay, And you didn't have to be watching to know this, 11 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: because the truth of the matter is you and I 12 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: robes we okay, below Deck? Yes, what else are we 13 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: hooked on. 14 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 3: When it comes to reality show ninety fiance? 15 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: That's new to us, but we just started but yes, 16 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,279 Speaker 1: just started it. But below Deck is the one we 17 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: were really into your head. 18 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 3: Below Deck got us through last year. 19 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 2: Okay. 20 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: So I never, to be honest with you, I've never 21 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:01,959 Speaker 1: seen vander Pump Rules. I hadn't really heard of it, 22 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: but for in the past several months, six months plus, 23 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: it was everywhere to where I thought it was a 24 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: new show. 25 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 3: Right, you said, what is this show called vander Pump Rules? 26 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 3: The hashtag scanned of all was everywhere and so it 27 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 3: kind of led people there but to go way back, 28 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 3: as I had to explain it to you, and I 29 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 3: think a lot of people might not know. This all 30 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 3: began with the storied franchise The Real Housewives, and this 31 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 3: was The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and Lisa vander Pump, 32 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 3: who was a main star in that. She took her 33 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 3: time from there and spun off another reality show which 34 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 3: was called vander Pump Rules. She is a restaurant tour. 35 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 3: This was a reality show about her staff members and 36 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 3: who knew the drama would be what it became, and 37 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 3: it certainly I think even surprised the show producers, everyone 38 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 3: who was involved with it, because they had over eleven 39 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 3: million viewers last year. That is huge for any cable 40 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 3: streaming show. 41 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: And not just that it's a matter of look you 42 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: hear it you. I mean, you could read an article 43 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: a day about how the television landscape is changing and 44 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: how viewership is going down on television across all genres. 45 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: But to see a show that's been on now for 46 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: eleven seasons to survive eleven seasons is big in the 47 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: first place, but to actually be increasing your viewership, and 48 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: in some cases they're getting the highest numbers they've seen 49 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: over at Bravo in almost a decade. In some demos, 50 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: that tells you something is going well over there. But 51 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: something's going well because something would really really bad. 52 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 3: Exactly. I was like, high ratings might be great for 53 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 3: the network and for perhaps people's paychecks, it doesn't necessarily 54 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 3: mean it was great for people's personal lives. And that's 55 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 3: exactly the case that happened over at vander Pump Rules. 56 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 3: But we've all been watching and we actually were able 57 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 3: to catch up and are so excited about our next 58 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 3: guest because he is a big player and a huge 59 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 3: part of what ended up being. As I mentioned before, 60 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 3: that hashtag scanned of all, we all know him and 61 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 3: you have probably a very strong opinion about him either way. 62 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: And that's I think that was I was saying this 63 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: to you earlier a moment ago. But the reason I 64 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: know about the show is because of the scandal. And 65 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: I didn't, to be honest with you, I started seeing 66 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 1: scandalval everywhere. I didn't know there was a scandal attached. 67 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: I thought it was actually I said, okay, what is that. 68 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: I didn't research it. I just see scandabal, scandabal, scandabal. 69 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: I actually didn't know what it meant. I didn't know 70 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: what they were talking about. And his name is Tom Sandoval, 71 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: kind of clever hash jack yep, give him credit for that. 72 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: But yes, there was a scandal with him and his girlfriend, 73 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: and people were taking sides, and they were taking signs 74 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: not just okay, Tom Sandival, you're a bad guy, but 75 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: people associated with him, including his business partner. They have 76 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: what two restaurants together, and they have. 77 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 3: Two ventures together. And his name actually happens to be 78 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 3: Tom too, so it's one of their Oh yeah, Tom, 79 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 3: Tom is one of their businesses. Makes a lot of sense. 80 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 3: But the other Tom, the best friend, Tom got completely 81 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 3: sucked into this scandal because he knew about it before 82 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 3: everyone else. 83 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: So a lot of people who are hating on Tom 84 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: Sandi all, well, there was some residual height. They went 85 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 1: to Tom Schwartz, his really really good friend. He got 86 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: a lot of that blowback as well, and a lot 87 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: of people had a lot to say about Tom Schwartz, 88 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: and a lot of people had a lot of questions 89 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: for Tom Schwartz. 90 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 3: We have Tom Shwarts with us. Welcome to the I 91 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 3: Heard Studios. 92 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 2: Thank you for the applause, and thank you for emphasis 93 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 2: on very special it is I heard that now? 94 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: Is that natural? You naturally threw your fist in the 95 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: air when the intro came right, Yeah, that's me. 96 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 3: I feel good. It feels cozy in here, oh good, 97 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 3: And hopefully it feels safe. 98 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 2: Very safe. 99 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: Good God, How does it feel these days after all 100 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: they went through last season, which we don't have to 101 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: explain to people, But when you go out and when 102 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: you would go out, did you feel safe? Did you 103 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: feel like people were eyeing you? Did you always feel 104 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: like somebody was looking at you in a negative light? 105 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a moment there where I always felt 106 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 2: like someone was watching me, and it felt very Truman 107 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 2: Show esque. It wasn't nearly as bad for me as 108 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 2: it was for Sandoval. He couldn't go anywhere without paparazzi 109 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 2: following him, sitting outside, camped out of his house like 110 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 2: twenty four to seven for like three months. And you know, 111 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 2: they would follow me around every once in a while. 112 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 2: And I have a tendency just to ramble on when 113 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 2: someone shoves a camera in your face, because it's kind 114 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 2: of jarring. I'm sure you guys know, we know a 115 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 2: little bit. 116 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 3: About it, just just a little bit about that. Sorry, 117 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 3: Like I said, it's a safe space. 118 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. And I remember a few interviews like TMZ 119 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 2: where it's like, you know, it's alarming when they shove 120 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 2: a camera up in your face and you you it 121 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 2: like intrinsically, you instinctually you smile awkwardly, but like even 122 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 2: though they're talking about a serious, you know, heated topic. 123 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 2: And I don't know, I remember just making a fool 124 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 2: of myself a lot of the time. But uh, it 125 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 2: was a trip. The whole thing was a trip, you know, 126 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 2: add a very bad. 127 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 3: Message trip, because there actually is. I'm sure you found 128 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 3: this out if you looked at the headlines or the 129 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 3: pictures afterwards. There is no actual appropriate facial expression you 130 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 3: can make because they'll make something out of whatever facial 131 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 3: expression you're making. Yes, thank you, yes, right, yeah, it's 132 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 3: hard to be you. Let me ask you this. People 133 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 3: have always said this, and they still say it. There's 134 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 3: no such thing as bad press. Do you believe that? 135 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 2: I think the past year has proved that saying wrong honestly, 136 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 2: I mean, maybe good for the show, the network, good 137 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 2: for ratings, bad for the soul, you know. I think 138 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 2: I'll stick with that. Yeah, yeah, but I mean it did. 139 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 3: It did. 140 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 2: There was a great human cost, of course, but like 141 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 2: it did revitalize the show and it brought on a 142 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 2: whole new audience. You know, I've got so many people. 143 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 2: We have two bars and Tom, Tom and Schwartz and 144 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 2: Sandies would love to host you guys, if you're ever an. 145 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: La, we will be there. 146 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 2: So I would love to set you off for beers. 147 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, still too hot around you. 148 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 3: We just get Yeah, do you really want us to 149 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 3: come there? Actually, by the way, maybe we're not the 150 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 3: appropriate We're kidding, of course we're kidding. 151 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 2: It's a safe place. 152 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 3: But uh yeah, Well I want to ask you because 153 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 3: you mentioned something that is first and foremost on my mind. 154 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 3: The show vendor Pump Rules was declining in viewers. It 155 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 3: was not doing as well as it had been in 156 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 3: the past. So a lot of people said, this scandal 157 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 3: is bs. This scandal thing is a made up, scripted 158 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 3: thing that isn't true, and they did it for the 159 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 3: ratings solely. 160 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's blowney. There's no way you could pull 161 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 2: that off in this day and age. There would have 162 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 2: been a whistleblower at some point, you know, someone would 163 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 2: have went rogue and be like, this is fake, this 164 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 2: is thrived. You know, it's a PR stunt. But the 165 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,239 Speaker 2: truth is, aside from me and a few other people, 166 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 2: no one on production knew. Lisa didn't know, Ken didn't know, 167 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 2: none of the executive producers knew. 168 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 3: How long had you known? 169 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 2: I knew, I knew, I knew, and even when I 170 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 2: didn't know, I knew. That's my little song, I sing. 171 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,679 Speaker 2: I gave myself a lobotomy, and I've removed that whole 172 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 2: chapter from my life from my memory. So I had 173 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 2: it surgerly removed and it's just much more pleasant now. 174 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: You know, for everybody, What difference does it make? You 175 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: did know? Right? You knew that he was stepping out 176 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 1: on his girlfriend, and depends on like people want to 177 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: judge you by when you knew, So why is that? 178 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: Is that still not clear? Because you, like you said, 179 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: it's like a you kind of faded into some way 180 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: you don't really know for sure. So but and then 181 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: people criticized you for that, like come on, man, so 182 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: what is the definitive answer there? And why is it 183 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: so important? 184 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 2: I honestly I did my best to reconstruct that whole storyline. 185 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 2: But like, also it wasn't my life. I wasn't the 186 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 2: one having an affair. And I'm telling you, I'm telling 187 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 2: you my brain was just not functioning properly. I was 188 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 2: under constant duress. I was in a constant state of 189 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 2: like fight or flight. Fresh off of divorce. I almost 190 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 2: lost my daddy was in the hospital for seven months, 191 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 2: like he almost died four times. My brother got cancer. 192 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 2: My other brother had was, you know, almost lost his 193 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 2: life because of cirrhosis. And it just I was going 194 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 2: through it was I was absolutely just mired in my 195 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 2: own melodrama. You know what I mean, We get it. 196 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 3: I mean, when you only can take so much, and 197 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 3: especially with all that other drama going on in your life, 198 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 3: real actual personal drama, life or death drama, it gets 199 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 3: all muddled. Sometimes you see it in slow motion. Sometimes 200 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 3: you can't remember. That makes perfect sense. I think to 201 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 3: anyone who's gone through anything traumatic, let me ask you this, 202 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 3: what how would you describe you know, you chose to 203 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 3: put your life in front of the cameras. What has 204 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 3: the price of fame cost you? 205 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 2: Hmm, Well a lot of sleepless nights. And I don't 206 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 2: do this anymore. But like dwelling on worst case, hypothetical 207 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 2: scenarios or like dread after it's in the can you 208 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 2: filmed the season and you're like, oh my god, I'm 209 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 2: going to have to relive this in front of millions 210 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 2: of people and get absolutely roasted, castigated, just flamed on 211 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 2: the internet, and you know, but for the most part, 212 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 2: I have nothing but good things to say about the 213 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 2: whole experience. I mean, how lucky are we You get 214 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 2: to be on a show with people you love, some 215 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 2: of your best friends in the world, and they follow 216 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 2: you around and the highs, the lows, everything in between. Like, overall, 217 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 2: I just feel I'm full of gratitude. It's been such 218 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 2: a wow. I'll ride and it's been a wave and 219 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 2: I know one day it's gonna crash, But for now, 220 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 2: I think we're still riding high. 221 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: Still riding high. What has where are you now compared 222 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: to where you were after that season finale last year? Like, 223 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: how have things have things slowed down? Calmed down? You 224 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: talk about paparazzi and things like that. That's one thing, 225 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: but how do you think you've settled back into your 226 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: life in some way? Now? 227 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 2: I love that question. Yeah, I was a basket case 228 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 2: last year for a multitude of reasons. And you know, 229 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,319 Speaker 2: I was like often dejected. I kind of was turning 230 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 2: into a hermit, snuggled up in my little hermitage, which 231 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 2: you know, at times was lovely with the dogs. Shout 232 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 2: out to Gordo and Butters, my surrogate therapists, and my plants. 233 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 2: Shout out to my plants, all twenty three of them. 234 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 3: Oh, yes, you have a lot of plants. 235 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 2: I have a lot of plants. But I gotta say 236 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 2: right now, like I don't want to jinx. It is 237 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 2: there wood in here I can knock on. But like, 238 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 2: right now, everything feels kind of stable, and I'm smiling 239 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 2: a lot more. I feel a little lighter on my 240 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 2: my feet and or is it lighter on your toes? 241 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 1: My feet? 242 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 3: I think? 243 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 2: So didn't sound right again, But no, I feel I'm 244 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 2: like kind of brimming with optimism again. I got levity 245 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 2: in the system. I'm a little more like happy, go 246 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 2: lucky Schwartz. But like also, I feel like I've matured 247 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 2: significantly just with the stuff I've dealt with the past 248 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 2: few years. You know, I had a little bit of 249 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 2: a well some would say boyish charm, others might say 250 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 2: Peter pant syndrome. Whish I take offense to or. 251 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 3: I'm very mature and I thank you no, but I felt. 252 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: That over here by the way in the corner here, yes, 253 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: getting there. You mentioned the dogs and and and the plants. 254 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: Did you seek professional help? Have you been helped by 255 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: a professional through some of these times? I? 256 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 2: Uh no, I've just referring to my surrogate therapists, like 257 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 2: you know, snowboarding reading. Uh, Cody from Peloton's always there 258 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 2: for me, Lorie's there. My manager Ryan, he was mad 259 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 2: at and give him a shout out last time, Ryan Ravell, 260 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 2: thank you for consoling me. And in times of need. 261 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: We're gonna edit that out just to piss him. 262 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 3: I love that, Honestly, I have gotten. 263 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 2: I've gotten therapy before and and I think for the 264 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 2: most part, uh, it was great. You know. I signed 265 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 2: up for Better betterhelp dot com and I actually put 266 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 2: my down payment, but I never actually moved forward with 267 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 2: the sessions. 268 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 3: But it's there just in case. 269 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 2: Thank you. But I am an advocate for seeking council therapy, 270 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 2: life coaches. I love reading you know, motivational book big 271 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 2: on stoicism lately, Yeah, I like the Daily Stoic You guys. 272 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 2: But it's a good way to start your day. Yeah, 273 00:13:58,440 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 2: I will check that out. 274 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 3: You know, people oftentimes say that these types of shows 275 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 3: are especially if they're portrayed in a negative way. They're 276 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 3: edited a certain way to make people feel a certain 277 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 3: way about certain people. Did that happen? And what do 278 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 3: you think people got wrong when they watched the season? 279 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 3: What do they get wrong about you? 280 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 2: It's such a cop out to cry editing, Like it's 281 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 2: almost like it's a big no no in our world. 282 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 2: Don't cry editing. Just take ownership, radical accountability, whatever you 283 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 2: want to call it. But yes, there's times where I'm like, wait, 284 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 2: hold on a sack, did I is that the way 285 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 2: that went down? 286 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 3: Exactly? 287 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 2: And by the way, shout out to our whole production 288 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 2: team behind the scenes, our editor it's like a masterclass 289 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 2: in editing. Our editors absolutely crush it. But yeah, there's 290 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 2: times where I'm just like, man, did it really go 291 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 2: down just like that? But I gotta say our show 292 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 2: stays pretty true to form. It's organic, it's authentic, and 293 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 2: yeah that's something I'm proud of and sometimes like great 294 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 2: cost to my sanity. But there's very few moments where 295 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 2: I've ever felt like contrived or forced, or like we 296 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 2: were phoning it in or performing, you know, and that's 297 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 2: a testament to everybody on the cast. 298 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: Help us with the schedule there a little bit, like 299 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: let's say you were shooting today, right cruise with you. 300 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: Everything's being shot, how long before? What was shot on 301 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: this day before it actually hit the air? What was 302 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: that lifetime? 303 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 2: We usually film in the summer, sometimes around like May 304 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 2: or June, and we'll film for like three months principal photography, 305 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 2: which is always a rush, and then you know, we'll 306 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 2: do pickups, we'll do talking head like confessionals, you know, 307 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 2: and by the way, which is like torture for me, 308 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 2: just having to listen to myself talk for like two 309 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 2: point five hours in a dank little room anyways, and 310 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 2: then you know, usually turn around is like another two 311 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 2: or three months from then. 312 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah, you're talking some stuff you end up 313 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: seeing in an episode with some something that went down 314 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: month ago. 315 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, almost, yes, And you know, sometimes sometimes your memory 316 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 2: gets a little cloudy with you know, I'll call consumption 317 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 2: or other things and stuff like that, and then you're 318 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 2: like you're watching and you're just like, oh my god, 319 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 2: the shame the. 320 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: Deep sense of shame you feel, Oh God, but you've 321 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: been through it enough and you know how this how 322 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: it works. But have you gotten close to quitting the show? 323 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 2: You know? I think season three where I was in 324 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 2: this weird kind of a big us phase where I 325 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 2: was kind of recognizable. I won't say famous, but like 326 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 2: I was still working my regular jobs, going on castings 327 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 2: for print, commercial work, bartending, catering, all that stuff, and 328 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 2: like people. It was weird because I wasn't really getting paid, 329 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 2: but I was recognizable. 330 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 3: And I think season three, I sat. 331 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 2: Down with my manager and he's like, what do you 332 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 2: want to do here? I think you should either go 333 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 2: all in or just you know, walk away and pursue 334 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 2: acting and everything. And I was like, Okay, let's do it. 335 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 2: I saw so many good things happening for my friends 336 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 2: and great opportunities coming their way, so I was like, 337 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 2: screw it, I'm gonna go all in. And I haven't 338 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 2: looked back since, but for sure in the beginning, uh yeah, man, 339 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 2: there was still like a stigma attached to it back 340 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 2: in the day, like it started in twenty eleven. And 341 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 2: in my mind, if you did a reality TV show 342 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 2: like your Dreams of being an actor. Were kind of 343 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 2: jeopardized compromised, right, I don't know. But now it's like, 344 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 2: I mean, reality TV people are like, I'm not saying 345 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 2: I'm an A list or maybe B minus. 346 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 3: C plus would they they call y'all bravoleberties. Is that 347 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 3: what it is that I say it? 348 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 2: Right? 349 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, you said it right, Bravo celeberties. What's been the 350 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 3: financial impact for you of Scandalval? You say, you look 351 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 3: back and you're happy, you've done what you've done and 352 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 3: all in you're you're happy to be a reality TV 353 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 3: show star. But you got two businesses right associated with 354 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 3: Tom Sandoval. How are they doing? Because I was looking 355 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 3: up it's like they're saying, your moments from closure, Tom, Tom, 356 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 3: and so give us the status of where you are 357 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 3: with your businesses. 358 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of harrowing. It's like, you know, when 359 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 2: you have a business with your name on the side 360 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 2: and someone does something shitty, it's like people can apply pressure, 361 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 2: and they did. Yes, we kind of got docs. It's like, 362 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 2: I mean, I have no I don't have any bitterness 363 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 2: in my tone when I say this, because I want 364 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 2: to see everybody succeed, even people that I'm not super 365 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 2: tight with you know, I want everybody to eat. 366 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 3: And eat they did. People got fat. 367 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 2: And happy off of that whole affair. You know a 368 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 2: lot of people blew up their podcasts merch. Yeah, man, 369 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 2: a lot of people got fat and happy. Me not 370 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 2: so much. It's like, you know, you got your name 371 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 2: plaster on the side with the guy who had the 372 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 2: you know, did the thing. I'm sorry, I just can't 373 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 2: even say the word anymore. This you know what of 374 00:18:58,960 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 2: all word. 375 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 3: But it's tiring, right. 376 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 2: It was brutal, I gotta be honest. It was absolutely brutal. 377 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 2: And yeah, I saw like a dark side of humanity, 378 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 2: like it got ugly. Without going into specifics, like it 379 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 2: got ugly, you know, there was there was times where 380 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 2: I was legitimately nervous about going into Schwarts and Sandy's 381 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 2: maybe like watered down vague threats. I don't know about 382 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 2: death threats, but like, you know, people threatening to come 383 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 2: in and like I didn't want to say it. 384 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: But folks wishing you physical harm. Yes, harm. 385 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 2: Yes, it was scary and sometimes odd and sometimes hilarious. 386 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 2: But it was scary, man. But looking back, uh, I'm 387 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 2: just processing it now. I'm finally at a place where 388 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 2: I feel uh yeah, Like I said earlier, I feel 389 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 2: optimistic again. We're giving the bar a revamp. We just 390 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 2: install the new sound system, we got new drinks, new food, 391 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 2: and it's like Schwartz and Sandy's two point oh and 392 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 2: I feel good. Yeah, I feel like we have momentum 393 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 2: again and it's incredibly refreshing. 394 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 3: People have suggested you change the name. Did you ever 395 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 3: think about it? 396 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I mean I never Sorry, Tom, if you 397 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 2: ever hear this. I never liked the name from the 398 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 2: get go, but I didn't have a better suggestion, so 399 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 2: I was like, all right, that's just college shorts and 400 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 2: Sandy's I don't care. 401 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: I wish you put some thought into it. Now. 402 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 2: I remember having that exact conversation. I'm like, you know, 403 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 2: you put your name on the side. You know you 404 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 2: have to hold yourself to a higher standard. What if 405 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 2: people like joking? I remember saying, what if people decide 406 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 2: they hate us and like us laughing over a beer, 407 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 2: Come on, people love us. 408 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 3: That's never gonna happen until they don't. 409 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 2: I know that was an actual conversation we had in 410 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 2: the honeymoon phase of opening a bar restaurant, Which does 411 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 2: not last long. I don't care how much you love 412 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 2: that business, passionate you are about food, drinks, customer service, 413 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 2: like that honeymoon phase does not last long. 414 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: We talked about there what happened with the with your businesses, 415 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: but she mentioned like opportunity. You talk about other people 416 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: they got fat, right, even people who printed T shirts 417 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: were stalling on the street. They were making money off 418 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 1: of what was happening. But was there any opportunity that 419 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: did anything that came your way as a result. 420 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 2: I actually I got to go to Mars. 421 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he did a show. 422 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 2: I did a show called Stars on Mars, and I 423 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 2: don't know if it was because of I mean, we 424 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,239 Speaker 2: had a lot of eyes on us. And you know, 425 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 2: I got to go there in Australia and it was lovely. 426 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 2: You know, I got to wake up next to like 427 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 2: Lance Armstrong, Richard Sherman, Adam Rapond. It was cool. It 428 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 2: was such a trip and I needed that as one 429 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 2: of the best reprieves of my life. And it was magical. 430 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 2: I'm very, very fond of that trip. I wish I 431 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 2: wouldn't have been such a Debbie downer on it. You know, 432 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 2: It's like because I felt like our business was kind 433 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 2: of like floundering, and I felt like I I kind 434 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 2: of abandoned ship when they needed me the most. But 435 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 2: also I didn't want to miss out on the opportunity 436 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 2: to film a show in Australia, go to Mars. It 437 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 2: was awesome. So yeah, I guess, and yeah, that was 438 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 2: that was something special. I'm very grateful for that opportunity. 439 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 2: It was cool. 440 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 3: What is the status of your friendship with Sandoval? Now? 441 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 2: I think we are officially off of our break. Now 442 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 2: we're cool. We're cool. We've had so many healthy, productive 443 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 2: conversations and uh, for better or for worse, I love 444 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 2: that bastard. And he's actually, despite you know, what he 445 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 2: did recently and what you see in the headlines, he's 446 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 2: a really good person. I swear he's got a he's 447 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 2: got a hell of a heart and uh, you know, 448 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 2: he's been a great friend to me. 449 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: Helpless most of the time. Yeah, helpless with that you 450 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: called it. You call him a bastard because of what 451 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: America knows he did or is there a bastard because 452 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: of things that happened with you all and you were 453 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: personal and your friendship I was. 454 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 2: Just a term of endearment. I was just being kind 455 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 2: of like cheeky. He's he just he just brought a 456 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 2: lot of stress into my life with his actions and 457 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 2: some of his very questionable choices. 458 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: You said a break, like, what what take me to 459 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: the past few months and after everything? What happened to 460 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 1: you all's friendship? Was there are times where you all 461 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: weren't talking at all and then tried to mend it 462 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: did you did you make a concerted effort to hey, 463 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: we need to make sure not just as business partners, 464 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: but as friends take us through kind of that evolution 465 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: of your relationship since the scandal. 466 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I had to take a break. I had to 467 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 2: distance myself because, like I said, my life truly got 468 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 2: absolutely consumed by someone else's affair and it was insane 469 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,919 Speaker 2: and it was detrimental to the business, and you know, 470 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 2: some of the other projects we were working on and 471 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 2: we had to put on hold and it just sucked. 472 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 2: Can I just say that, Yeah, it just kind of sucked. 473 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,679 Speaker 2: And he totally understood. I had to take a break, 474 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 2: and because it's like I swear at one point and 475 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 2: I was like I started having an identity crisis, you know, 476 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 2: I look in the mirror and I'm like, oh my god, 477 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 2: am i Tom's end of all? What happened to Tom Schwartz? 478 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 2: But uh, yeah, it was. It was a much needed 479 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 2: hiatus for mister Sandoval. And you know, we had some 480 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 2: very healthy we kind of did like our own a 481 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 2: couple of therapy sessions, you know, without a therapist, but 482 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 2: we had a lot of healthy, solid, productive conversations. And 483 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 2: I think we're in a good place though. We're in 484 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 2: a great place where we have we have synchronicity again 485 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 2: and we're communicating clearly, respectfully, and yeah, I think we 486 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 2: got our Tom. 487 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 3: Tom Tom. Tom. You you obviously when when something like 488 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 3: this happens, you you saw the fracture of the friendships. 489 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 3: People take sides and you were teamed up with with 490 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,239 Speaker 3: the other Tom right as they say, what is the 491 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 3: status of your friendship with the other cast members and 492 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 3: how have you repaired those relationships? 493 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll see that kind of play out in this season, 494 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 2: especially the next few episodes. But yeah, that was the 495 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 2: first time that I had really ever been an outcast 496 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 2: in my life. It was not a nice feeling, kind 497 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 2: of like a prie you know, I felt like strange 498 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 2: from the group. For the first time ever. But I 499 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 2: put a lot of work into rebuilding and repairing those friendships, 500 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 2: and I feel like I'm in a really good place 501 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 2: with everybody. Sheena, Katie, La La. Maybe not so much, Ariana. 502 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 3: But are you trying to get closer to Arion? 503 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 2: Very respectfully? She's so busy right now. I mean she's 504 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 2: literally on Broadway. She's probably performing tonight. She's killing it. 505 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 2: So she's so busy. I haven't even seen her lately, 506 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 2: but I'm very happy for her. 507 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: You want to see her in the show. Have you 508 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 1: seen the show? 509 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 2: I would love to see the show. Yeah, I can't 510 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,719 Speaker 2: this trip, but next time I come back, if it's 511 00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 2: still running, I want to us. 512 00:25:59,119 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 3: Have you guys seen it? 513 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 2: Well, shall we go see it? 514 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do it. 515 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 2: I have to watch what Happens Live tonight, but I 516 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 2: would love that. I want to go. Anyways, I'm hype 517 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 2: for her, and yeah, we'll get there. 518 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: Maybe it sounds like that's still going to take some time. 519 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,679 Speaker 1: Your relationship with Tom though, one of the first things 520 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: that jumped out at me when and again this has 521 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 1: to do with editing, possibly, so I'll let give you 522 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: a chance. But when you all first when he first 523 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: came to you after the affair was revealed in that episode, 524 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: and he comes in and one of the first things 525 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 1: on your mind, and I think it's fair was business like, Look, dude, 526 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: we need to stop this bleeding. We have a business 527 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,439 Speaker 1: to run. Do you look back at that, and some 528 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: might have seen that as wait, this is your friend. 529 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: You need to take care of that on a personal 530 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 1: level before professional When you go back and look at that, 531 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: or tell us more about that moment of how did 532 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 1: you separate or how did you deal with trying to 533 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: be a business partner. A lot of people you're responsible to, 534 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: including employees, and this is my guy, have his friend 535 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: and he's in trouble. 536 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 2: I think I'll give myself a little pat on the back. 537 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 2: I think I did a pretty good job compartmentalizing because 538 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 2: I was. I was there for him even though I 539 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 2: had taken a break. You know, sometimes a few times 540 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 2: he hit me up and he really needed me, and 541 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 2: I was always there for him. I didn't cut him 542 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 2: off completely, but you know I was always there if 543 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 2: he needed a shoulder to cry on. Well, not for 544 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 2: like three months. 545 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:33,479 Speaker 1: I did take a three month break, a hard break builder. 546 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: He'll be available later, yes, in a few months. 547 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 2: Yes, but I was really upset because it's not just 548 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 2: the money, you know, it's like big money. We put 549 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 2: a lot of money in there, and he jeopardized my 550 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 2: you know, half million dollar whatever it was investment, and 551 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 2: not just that, but the time and energy and the 552 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 2: sacrifices I made in my life to get that place open. 553 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, you know that some 554 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 2: choices he made in his personal life had a very 555 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,679 Speaker 2: adverse impact on our business. And I couldn't help but 556 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 2: be paid. That was my you know, that was my 557 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 2: first like Tom, Tom, we're minority stakeholders. I'm so proud 558 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 2: of that. But like, this was our baby, our business baby, 559 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 2: and we had just given birth to this beautiful baby. 560 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 3: It's not coming out right, the words aren't coming out. 561 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: We're following. 562 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:23,199 Speaker 2: This beautiful business baby. And yeah, it was hard. Like 563 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 2: just his face, this this this dude that I love, 564 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 2: one of my dearest friends in the world. Like his 565 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 2: face became synonymous with everything that went wrong, at least 566 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 2: in my mind that's the way I was thinking about it, 567 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 2: everything that went wrong in our business. And so it 568 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 2: was hard. It was hard to look him in the 569 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 2: eyes that first time when we sat down. You know, 570 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 2: but you know, I'm pretty damn quick to forgive. I 571 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 2: think people know that about me, and maybe I try 572 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 2: to see the best that everyone to a fault, mister, 573 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,959 Speaker 2: give them the benefit of the doubt. I love I 574 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 2: love getting in there, and you know, I love nuance. 575 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 2: I like hearing where people's heads are at when they 576 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 2: do stupid shit. I don't like making snap judgments, although 577 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 2: once in a while, recently watching The Bachelor, I've made 578 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 2: a lot of snap judgments. 579 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 3: You saw it from the other side, yes. 580 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, I know Tom is a good dude. 581 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 2: I hope. I think I'm not gonna say he's gonna 582 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 2: get redemption. I know a lot of people have written 583 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 2: him off, but I I think as time goes on, 584 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 2: you know, he's gonna get some of his humanity reinstilled. 585 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 2: And uh, I know a lot of people have been 586 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 2: coming into the bars late and then they're like, Schwartz, 587 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 2: can I like pull you aside like a little confessional. 588 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 2: They're like, I wanted to murder your friend. I don't 589 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 2: know why, but it's just like something about what he 590 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 2: did reminded me of a very dark chapter in my 591 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 2: life when someone I loved cheated on me and and 592 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 2: I just wanted to apologize because I kind of wanted 593 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 2: to murder you too. And it's like, but I think also, 594 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 2: like I hate the term silver lining, but like so 595 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 2: many people have come into like the bars, Tom Toms 596 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 2: orts insand he's and just online, and like I was 597 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 2: in a similar situation and low key, high key this 598 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 2: incident with sand of all caused me to step up, 599 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 2: have the uncomfortable conversation and prevented an affair. So I think, 600 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 2: I don't know if I get trouble for I feel 601 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 2: like it, I feel like whatever. I'm not calling it 602 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 2: that anymore. The incident, it honestly prevented possibly hundreds of 603 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 2: thousands of affairs. 604 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 3: I mean it's a cautionary tale. It's a cautionary tale 605 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 3: for sure, right, I mean that is the way it is. 606 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 3: Were you surprised that Tom and Raquel Rachel? Which one 607 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 3: did she go by? She's Rachel? Now? Were you surprised 608 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 3: that they didn't make it? 609 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 2: Honestly, I was very surprised. Do you think some are 610 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 2: do you think some are in a parallel universe? They 611 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 2: have a podcast together and they made it. 612 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 3: I'm just kidding. 613 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: I was surprised by what you're saying. I was surprised 614 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: that they given all that happened and what they were 615 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: willing to sacrifice at least and hiding behind the back 616 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: of the show in America. Essentially, I was surprised if 617 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: you're going to put that much effort in. I was 618 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: surprised to hear that they didn't work out. 619 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 2: A shocked the shock of a lifetime. And I don't 620 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 2: even say that lightly was because I really thought, like 621 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 2: I mean, they risked at all. They burned their lives 622 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 2: down for love or lust, whatever you want to call. 623 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 2: It makes people do stupid things. 624 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: What do you think it was? Do you think it 625 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: was lover lust? 626 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 2: I think it was lust under the cloak of. 627 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 3: Love because there was friendship there. 628 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 2: I think they really did at one point love each other. 629 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 2: I mean, listen, from what I saw, they deeply cared 630 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 2: about each other and we're in love. That's from my perspective. 631 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 2: You know, I don't know how they feel about it 632 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 2: in hindsight. Retroactively, I think they have a much different 633 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 2: take on it, and I think it's sort of I 634 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 2: think they're both kind of referring it to more as 635 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 2: an addiction or a lust or a mistake of epic proportions. 636 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 2: But you know, at one point, yeah, man, they were 637 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 2: It feels twisted to say this, but they were really 638 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 2: deeply in love. I think, yeah, yeah, deeply. 639 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: Wow. 640 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 3: I'm curious how this has impacted you. I mean, you've 641 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 3: been through a divorce and you're still friends with Katie, right, 642 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 3: your ex? 643 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 2: I think, so, Hi, Katie, we're cool. 644 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: We're cool. 645 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 2: We still have joint custody of the dogs, and we 646 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 2: had thirteen years together and we hit a rough patch 647 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:58,239 Speaker 2: there for about a year. But yeah, I still care 648 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 2: about her so much. I still love Katie and I'm 649 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 2: always rooting her, rooting for from the sidelines, and uh yeah, 650 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 2: I'd love to see her happy out there doing her thing. 651 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 2: But we're cool. 652 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 3: How has all of this affected your willingness, your just 653 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 3: how you approach relationships or finding your person. Just having 654 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 3: gone through all of this. 655 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 2: For the first time in my life, I'm doing something crazy. 656 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 2: I'm setting boundaries. Wow, you guys, this is not a 657 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 2: safe place for your sins. Okay, Please do not come 658 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,719 Speaker 2: to me and confess anything I don't want to know. 659 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 3: Don't tell me. 660 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 2: Yes, no, but no, I, uh yeah, honestly, I don't know. 661 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 3: Man, are you looking for the one? 662 00:33:55,160 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 2: Whoa? Okay, I'm not not looking. I'm not looking, but 663 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 2: it seems to always find. 664 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: Me the one the ones? 665 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 2: I mean, can I just say I'm super happy right now? Well, 666 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm I don't think I'm single. 667 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 3: You don't, I see. I thought I took it the 668 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,800 Speaker 3: other way that he might have found okay, but. 669 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 1: Then he said I'm super single? 670 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:20,479 Speaker 3: What was he super happy? 671 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:21,360 Speaker 2: I'm super happy. 672 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 3: I'm just happily hanging out and he's not super single. 673 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: You're not super single. You're in a relationship now. 674 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 3: I don't know, man, are you unless you're dating one 675 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 3: of these two? Why are you looking over here? 676 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 1: I like somebody, you like somebody, but you're dating somebody? 677 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: Is that fair? Whoa? 678 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,439 Speaker 2: Whoa? No, you can't just throw out the D word. 679 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,359 Speaker 1: Oh okay, I. 680 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 2: Think that has you know, But I mean, yeah, I'm happy. 681 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 3: I'm happy. 682 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 1: Should we go through like, well, what are your folks 683 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:49,799 Speaker 1: returning to over here? 684 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 3: Like? 685 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: You say different things on different podcasts. What have you 686 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,879 Speaker 1: said in the previous one about your relationships. 687 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 2: That I'm going to redirect? I never thought I would 688 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 2: be single at this age. It it sucks. 689 00:34:58,920 --> 00:34:59,760 Speaker 1: So you are single? 690 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 3: No, Like on Facebook, what's your relationship status? 691 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good one, not even in its complete 692 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 2: I guess if I had to pick, I would say 693 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 2: happily hanging. It's a new one. 694 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 3: That's not no. 695 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 2: But there's somebody I dig for sure, But she's like 696 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 2: super private, so I don't want to. 697 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 3: That's fair given that she's dating this world. 698 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 1: That's all you had to Now, we got totally get it. 699 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: We respect those boundaries, and we want to make sure 700 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 1: you're not in trouble with the answers you gave here 701 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 1: because you just now it makes sense. It's okay to 702 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:37,320 Speaker 1: want privacy. 703 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 2: There's somebody I hang out with and really. 704 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 1: Like, yeah, and she doesn't want anybody to know she 705 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:42,360 Speaker 1: has anything to do with you. 706 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. 707 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 2: Is a shame to me. She's like, all right, yes 708 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 2: we can hang, but don't you tell anybody? Yeah, And 709 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 2: I was like, okay, deal, that's fair. That makes me 710 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 2: like her, right, she gets it. How's your family handled 711 00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,720 Speaker 2: all this? You mentioned what you were going through personally 712 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 2: with all this happening, but you know this type of 713 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 2: thing doesn't happen to just you. It happens to everyone 714 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 2: who loves you. 715 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 3: How are they doing there? 716 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 2: It feels good to say that everybody's stable right now. Actually, 717 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,479 Speaker 2: I just talked to my dad before I came in here, 718 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,439 Speaker 2: and he's going in for blood blood clot surgery, which 719 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 2: is always scary. He's got blood clot surgery. Today's three 720 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 2: blood clots, I think, but they said it should be 721 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 2: a walk in the park. The doctor reassured him, you know, 722 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 2: he should be out of there within four hours. So 723 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 2: I'm nervously anticipating that call from him to make sure 724 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 2: he's okay, because I have, like we all have a 725 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,839 Speaker 2: little bit of PTSD. It's like he was in there 726 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 2: for the yes, in the hospital for seven months. He 727 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 2: was emaciated. At one point, he was intubated. He couldn't 728 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 2: do anything, you know, couldn't get up, go to the bathroom. 729 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 2: It's rough seeing someone that you love, your hero, you know, 730 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:57,759 Speaker 2: like you know your dad just completely. But that's not 731 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 2: really a verb, just a vegetable just turned into essentially 732 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:07,320 Speaker 2: a vegetable. You know. That was hard, really hard. It 733 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 2: wenth heavy on the whole family, and it was in 734 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 2: like four different hospitals and listen, I know this is 735 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 2: everyone goes to something like this at some point. I 736 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,840 Speaker 2: just I had a pretty cushy, light up, pretty cushy, 737 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 2: cushy life up into the last few years, and it 738 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 2: came at me quick, kicked my ass. But I do 739 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 2: feel better, better equipped to deal with adversity when it 740 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,280 Speaker 2: comes my way next time, for sure. 741 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: And it's coming. Oh, it's just from someone who knows life. No, 742 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,840 Speaker 1: it's just life keeps coming. It's just how equipped we 743 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 1: are to deal with what's coming. It's never gonna stop. 744 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: So there'll be a next big thing, and a next 745 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:49,759 Speaker 1: big thing, and a next big thing, hopefully nothing that 746 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: was big before you. Again, you mentioned there a few 747 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,320 Speaker 1: things here before we wrap up with you. What do 748 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,799 Speaker 1: you think about that term scandabal You said you didn't 749 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 1: want to anymore, so I kind of understand, but just 750 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 1: that it flows so easily in the social media age. 751 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 1: But what do you think? 752 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, just hearing it literally triggers some sort of PTSD. 753 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 2: I'm only half joking because that that dang word was 754 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 2: like reverberating around my mind for like six months, haunting me, 755 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 2: and I don't know, I feel like, oh, I feel 756 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 2: like the stench of that word is no longer lingering. 757 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:32,400 Speaker 2: Did you guys smell it when I walked in? 758 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 3: No? No, not at all anything, But it didn't come. 759 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:44,240 Speaker 4: I mean yeah, yeah, I mean I know I joke inappropriately, 760 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 4: inappropriately about that often sometimes just when I'm nervous or whatever. 761 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 3: But you know what, though, humor is is healing. I mean, 762 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 3: I've been through cancer, and cancer humor works like when 763 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 3: you go through stuff, humor gets you through it. So 764 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,800 Speaker 3: I get it. I get that humor. 765 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 2: I've never heard that one humor gets you through it. 766 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 3: I like that, it really does. 767 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 2: I you know, I would rather laugh than cry. Usually 768 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 2: ends up being both, but laugh now, cry later. 769 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,239 Speaker 3: What have you learned through all of this? 770 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:20,839 Speaker 2: Let's see. You know, people, h if you're unhappy in 771 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,319 Speaker 2: your your relationship and you're falling out of love, you know, 772 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:30,799 Speaker 2: have that have that hard to have conversation and I 773 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 2: don't know, man affairs just seem like, uh stressful, it's 774 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:40,160 Speaker 2: very stressful. And uh, I've learned to be better at 775 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:44,319 Speaker 2: setting boundaries with people, you know what I mean? I Uh, 776 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,840 Speaker 2: It's not like I get walked all over or anything 777 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 2: like that. But I think I'm too accommodating, honestly, and 778 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 2: like I got a reading from Ali James's girlfriend and 779 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 2: she's like, you are a hardcore Libra and a hardcore 780 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 2: people pleaser. I'm not like being in a strong year anything, 781 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,759 Speaker 2: but I was just like I got a chill with 782 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 2: the pleasing of other people, and yeah, I'm just trying 783 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 2: to fall in love with myself all over again right now. 784 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, give us last thing, Just give us one thing 785 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,919 Speaker 1: this season. I know there expectations, people expect a certain 786 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 1: level of drama, but tease one thing that everybody that 787 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,640 Speaker 1: loves this show, you just hold on and wait because 788 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: what's coming. 789 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:28,920 Speaker 2: This this vacation, our getaway to Lake Tahoe. I feel 790 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,279 Speaker 2: like I feel like it was transformative and I feel 791 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,520 Speaker 2: like it's a really nice reset for not just us 792 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 2: as friends cast, but also for the audience too. And 793 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,480 Speaker 2: I feel like from there on, I think the show 794 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,719 Speaker 2: kind of takes a pleasant turn. Wow, not that there's 795 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 2: still not a ton of drama and everything, but like 796 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,680 Speaker 2: it's just I feel like it's just a little more happy, 797 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:55,759 Speaker 2: go lucky, you know, and very very heartfelt. Raw. 798 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 3: I want to believe that people root for friendships, they 799 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 3: for love and so we're rooting for you and we 800 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,320 Speaker 3: can't wait to watch and see things just get better. 801 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 2: Thank you, guys. This has been so nice. Really, I 802 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:10,439 Speaker 2: appreciate it. 803 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 1: And it's something when you hear so much about somebody 804 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:13,880 Speaker 1: and then they walk into the room. It's just that 805 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,520 Speaker 1: luckily we've we we can't imagine what you did have 806 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,479 Speaker 1: to go through. But good luck to you in the future, 807 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:20,759 Speaker 1: and we'll go to the show with you and we'll 808 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 1: come to. 809 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,520 Speaker 3: You yes to do that. You have a beautiful energy, 810 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,280 Speaker 3: by the way, like a beautiful energy. 811 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,319 Speaker 2: I felt like I lost my aura of the past 812 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,200 Speaker 2: two years, and I think it's kind of coming back. 813 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:29,960 Speaker 1: It's back. 814 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:30,759 Speaker 3: It's back. 815 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:32,960 Speaker 2: Thank you guys for the warm welcome and this has 816 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 2: been awesome. 817 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,920 Speaker 1: This is great, all right, Well, appreciate you, Tom Schwartz. 818 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,719 Speaker 1: We will see plenty more from you. And for folks 819 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,320 Speaker 1: who want to keep listening to us, of course, you 820 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,640 Speaker 1: can catch Amy and TJ on Instagram at the Amy 821 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,239 Speaker 1: and TJ Podcast. You can find us all on Instagram 822 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 1: and TikTok on our individual accounts. But thank you so much. 823 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,000 Speaker 1: And I'd never said vander plump. 824 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, he kept saying vander plump instead of Vander Pump. 825 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,600 Speaker 3: I was like, no, it's vander Pump. Yea like the Rose. 826 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:59,400 Speaker 2: My dad used to say, Vander Camp, Dad, you on 827 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,600 Speaker 2: that Vander Camp him tonight. I'm like, and are pumped 828 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 2: and a pump? All right? 829 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,520 Speaker 1: Thank you brother, Thank you so much. 830 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:18,160 Speaker 2: M