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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Breaking News tonight, Sean Puffy Combs aka Diddy aka p Diddy.

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Speaker 1: We saw the video of.

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Speaker 2: You brutally beating and kicking and dragging Cassie and now

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Speaker 2: you apologize. Now, apology not accepted. I'll see you in court.

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Speaker 1: Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: It's so difficult to reflect on the darkest times in

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Speaker 3: your life. Sometimes you gotta do that. I was, I mean,

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Speaker 3: I had rob bottom, but I make no excuses. My

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Speaker 3: behavior on that video is inexcusable. I take responsibility for

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Speaker 3: my ashes in that video. I'm so sorry, but I'm

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Speaker 3: committed to be a better managent every day. I'm not

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Speaker 3: asking for forgiveness. I'm truly sorry.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about you.

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Speaker 2: But he looks like he's reading to me all that

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, technical legal term b S. He's not sorry

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Speaker 2: he did it. He's sorry he got caught. Have you

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Speaker 2: seen the video now? How is it at that time

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Speaker 2: no charges were filed, and you know hotel security saw

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Speaker 2: the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: Do you believe his apology?

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Speaker 2: Is it not a day late and a dollar short? Well,

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Speaker 2: apparently other people agree with me.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 4: According to Ernest to Owens, Sean Ditty Combs is only

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Speaker 4: apologizing because he got caught. Owens calls Comb's apology another

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Speaker 4: pathetic move, pointing out that Combs does not acknowledge Cassie

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Speaker 4: Ventura by name or directly apologize to her. Combs has

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Speaker 4: previously denied Ventura's allegations repeatedly, but this latest cought in

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Speaker 4: the Act video has changed his tune. Owen says it

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Speaker 4: is hard to take anything Diddy says seriously following several

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Speaker 4: prior written attacks on his accusers.

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Speaker 1: Now what written attacks are we talking about? I got

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Speaker 1: to tell you something.

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Speaker 2: There are a lot of criminal defense attorneys out there.

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Speaker 2: This one will win your case. Ben Broffman. That's where

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Speaker 2: you go when there's nowhere to go, Ben Broffman. He's

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Speaker 2: representing Sean Combe's aka Ditty.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 4: Cassie Ventura's lawsuit against Ditty includes a very specific event

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Speaker 4: from March of twenty sixteen, where Ventura alleges that Didty

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Speaker 4: became extremely intoxicated in hunch Ventura in the feace, giving

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Speaker 4: her a black eye. Did He's lawyer, Ben Braffman tells

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Speaker 4: people in a statement that comes vehemently denies these offensive

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Speaker 4: and outrageous allegations and alleges that Ventura is filing the

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Speaker 4: lawsuit after first demanding thirty million dollars or she would

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Speaker 4: write a book about their relationship. Brafman says Ventura is

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Speaker 4: seeking a payday.

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Speaker 2: Now, Remember the lawyer is the mouthpiece for the defendant.

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Speaker 2: The lawyer doesn't say anything that the defendant doesn't want said.

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Speaker 1: So when you hear Brafman saying, oh.

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Speaker 2: Cassie Ventirozes, she just wants money, nothing happened to her,

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Speaker 2: this is bs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, We've seen the video and all of his denying

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Speaker 2: and claiming, and remember this is important. That's what he

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Speaker 2: says about all the women that are claiming he abused them,

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Speaker 2: they all want a payday. I don't believe that anymore.

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Speaker 2: With me an all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 2: what we know right now now, But for straight out

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Speaker 2: to Keela Brantley, investigative reporter dailymail dot Com on the

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Speaker 2: case from the beginning. You know, I think this is

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Speaker 2: just the beginning, Kila, But bring me up to date

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Speaker 2: as of right now.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, Nancy, And as you said, Ditty's only apologizing right

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Speaker 5: now because he got caught. Everyone sees right through that apology,

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Speaker 5: including Cassie Ventura, who released a statement via her lawyer

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Speaker 5: who called Ditty's apology pathetic. Essentially, he's saying that he's

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Speaker 5: only our Cassie, saying that he's only compelled to speak

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Speaker 5: out now because of this damning evidence. And as you

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Speaker 5: very well may know that abusers, it's not just an

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Speaker 5: isolated incident. We can assume that this has happened before.

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Speaker 5: Cassie did speak about this exact incident back in her

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Speaker 5: lawsuit from last fall. She said that there was an

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Speaker 5: incident at a hotel where he came into the hallway

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Speaker 5: abused her, and that Diddy allegedly paid fifty thousand dollars

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Speaker 5: to never be released. Obviously, now we know CNN has

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Speaker 5: now had that video released it to the world, which

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Speaker 5: now compelled Diddy to apologize.

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Speaker 2: Keilla Brantley, I think you're exactly correct.

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Speaker 6: Listen, Cassie Ventura escaped Sean Combs by getting on the

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Speaker 6: elevator at the Intercontinental Hotel, leaving the hotel and going

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Speaker 6: Ventura returns to the hotel intent on apologizing to Combs.

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Speaker 6: As she returns, hotel security staff urged her to get

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Speaker 6: back in the cab and go home. They've seen the

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Speaker 6: security footage of Comb's beating Ventura and throwing glass vases

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Speaker 6: at her in the hotel hallway. In her lawsuit against Combs,

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Speaker 6: she claims he pays the hotel fifty thousand dollars for

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Speaker 6: footage of the hallway assault, again.

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Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel.

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Speaker 2: In addition to Kiala Brantley from dailymail dot com, straight

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Speaker 2: out to Sam d'ordiullian, sex assault lawyer and former LA

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Speaker 2: County six crimes felony prosecutor, founder of the Doordulian Law Group, Sam,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. You know, before video

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Speaker 2: was pervasive, no matter where you go, there's a camera

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Speaker 2: prove that.

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Speaker 1: Now we have a video.

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Speaker 2: So the fallback is, let's say the video was doctored,

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Speaker 2: the video was tampered with, or I'm sorry. I'm a

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Speaker 2: different man now. I'm praying for forgiveness. I'm praying to

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Speaker 2: be a better man.

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Speaker 1: I got counseling.

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Speaker 7: Really, you know what's disgusting, Nancy, is that's what you

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Speaker 7: hear all the time, is that I'm sorry. But why

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Speaker 7: did he have to go and attack the victim in

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Speaker 7: this particular case. If he truly took responsibility for what

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Speaker 7: he did, if he truly was disgusted as he claimed

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Speaker 7: in his video his supposed apology, then why did he

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Speaker 7: call her a liar to in the public. Why did

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Speaker 7: he say she's just looking for a payday? And only

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Speaker 7: when he got caught Now, all of a sudden, he's.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, joining me out of FLOORA and a high profile

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Speaker 2: private investigator, former Federal Task Force, US Department of Justice,

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Speaker 2: also with the DEA joining me, Robert Crispin from Crispin

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Speaker 2: Special Investigations. Robert, I'm sure you having dealt with this

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Speaker 2: same scenario many many times as a PI and with

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Speaker 2: the Feds. People pay off hotel staff all the time.

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Speaker 2: And right now the word we're getting from inside the

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Speaker 2: Diddy camp is that they are fast and furious trying

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Speaker 2: to make sure other video surveillance will not emerge. What

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Speaker 2: about it, Crispin? How easy is that to do?

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Speaker 8: Well?

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Speaker 9: You know, listen, money talks and this is probably not

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Speaker 9: the first time it's happened in his camp. And if

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Speaker 9: you go back, there's the allegations of they paid fifty

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Speaker 9: fast and fury is going after ever singing one of

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Speaker 9: these allegations, and ever singing one of these victim that

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Speaker 9: they know of their back covering their tracks. It's an

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Speaker 9: old trick. It's money talks, and people like money. So

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Speaker 9: there's a lot of people that do some bad things

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Speaker 2: Sadly enough, so you think it's relatively easy to pay

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Speaker 2: off hotel security or really any security get rid of surveillance.

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Speaker 2: It gets quote taped over, it gets lost, nobody can

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Speaker 2: find it. It happens over and over and over again.

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Speaker 2: But the kicker is they are not at a hotel

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Speaker 2: security office. They are not under the same duty as

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Speaker 1: It's their private video.

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Speaker 2: They want to tape over it, they can unless somehow

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Speaker 2: they realize they're hiding evidence. And why would they tape

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Speaker 2: for a nefarious reason.

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Speaker 9: Crispin it's tampering with cart launch, it's tampering with evidence.

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Speaker 9: And anybody who gets involved in this case moving forward

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Speaker 9: who already has knowledge, I mean, how do you not

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Speaker 9: text messages or undercover surrounances or anything, that you paid

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Speaker 9: somebody off to get a video, you're catching an obstruction

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Speaker 10: You're also catching a tampering with evidence charge.

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Speaker 9: Now, back in twenty sixteen when they got that video,

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Speaker 9: none of this probably got reported yet that's why they

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Speaker 10: And they threw fifty thousand dollars at these people to get.

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Speaker 9: That video, thinking it's not out there, thinking that nobody

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Speaker 9: their own videos.

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Speaker 2: Trust me to you, Kila Brantley joining US investigative reporter

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Speaker 2: dailymail dot com. Fifty grand that's like ten dollars to me.

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Speaker 2: It's like nothing to Combs, I mean, what is his

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Speaker 5: Well, as Cassie said in the lawsuit that this the

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Speaker 5: example of paying fifty thousand dollars was absolutely nothing to him,

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Speaker 5: and it just shows his power and his influence now

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Speaker 5: reportedly did he's a billionaire and he has so many

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Speaker 5: different lines. He has Sean John, he has Revolt, and

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Speaker 5: not only is he a music mogul, he's a fashion

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Speaker 5: his net worth is estimated around a billion dollars. Now

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Speaker 2: As we know right now, his streaming has plummeted after

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Joining us doctor John Delatory, licensed psychologist mediator who specializes

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Speaker 2: in forensic psychology. Doctor Delatory, thank you for being with us,

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Speaker 2: Doctor Delatory. I'd like you to look at your screen

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Speaker 2: with me as we analyze Sean Comes aka Diddy's apology.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 3: I'm so sorry, but I'm committed to be a better

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Speaker 3: managin every day. I'm not asking for forgiveness. I'm truly sorry.

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Speaker 3: It's so difficult to reflect on the darkest times in

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Speaker 3: your life. Sometimes you gotta do that. I was, I mean,

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Speaker 3: I hit rock bottom, but I make no excuses. My

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Speaker 3: behavior on that video is inexcusable. I take full responsibility

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Speaker 2: M hmm. Now you're the expert, of course, doted elatory,

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Speaker 2: but as a lay person or just a trial lawyer,

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Speaker 2: this is what I observe. I'm so sorry, and he

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Speaker 2: looks away. That's a hallmark characteristic.

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Speaker 1: Of a liar.

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Speaker 2: They cannot look you in the face and just say, look,

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry. He never mentions Cassie's name, Cassie Ventura. And

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Speaker 2: you know a few days after that, she was walking

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Speaker 2: the runway with a red carpet covered in bruises what

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Speaker 2: nobody noticed.

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Speaker 1: But I'm sorry to who sorry for what? He won't

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Speaker 2: And that was the number one rule when I would

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Speaker 2: take a guilty plea in court. First of all, I'd

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Speaker 1: On, and they would have to admit what they did.

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Speaker 2: And if they couldn't say it, I would give them

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Speaker 1: You plead guilty? Did you do it or not?

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Speaker 2: And if they would not admit to what they did,

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Speaker 2: a jury. I'm happy to give you exactly what you deserve.

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Speaker 11: Now, and let me tell you what I'm seeing right

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Speaker 2: Joining me right now in addition to an all star

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Speaker 1: But that happens every day, doesn't it, Shannon.

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Speaker 2: Where battered women go to work, they go to the

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Speaker 12: Very easy, Nancy, for everyone to ignore it. They're hiding

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Speaker 12: I also want to say, you can hit rock bottom,

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Speaker 2: Let me and Shannon Henry, President founder of Surviving Assault,

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Speaker 2: Standing Strong. She has dealt with so many battered women,

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Speaker 2: as have I. Typically, Shannon, I would see them when

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Speaker 1: And I will never forget. I was a rookie da

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Speaker 2: A woman and her partner, her husband, came in. He

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Speaker 2: It was the court date for him, and she wanted

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Speaker 2: A lot of people are curious as to why casts,

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Speaker 2: thank you to our friends at CNN. Shannon Henry, what

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Speaker 12: Well, there's lots of things that I see in that

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Speaker 12: That's what he sees her as. But what we see

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Speaker 2: Many people have questioned, and having worked at the Better

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Speaker 2: It's not if he did beat her like that. She

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Speaker 2: But could you elaborate, Shannon Henry, Well, there's.

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Speaker 12: Several reasons why women stay, you know, we can look

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Speaker 12: Definition of love and her definition of love are two

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Speaker 1: Shannon, he could ruin her. He could ruin her, and

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Speaker 2: Next, successfully, Long Way to Go, that was one of

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Speaker 12: That's right, And when you look at this degree of

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Speaker 2: Joining me right now is high profile entertainment lawyer Darryl Cohen,

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Speaker 1: But Darryl, what could.

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Speaker 2: Be worse for him right now than to give an

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Speaker 3: I'm so sorry, but I'm committed to be a better

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Speaker 7: Sometimes you gotta do that.

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Speaker 8: I was fucked up.

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Speaker 3: I mean I had robbed bottom, but I make no excuses.

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Speaker 3: My behavior on that video is inexcusable. I take full

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Speaker 2: Really, because that bating on Cassie Venturor happened in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 2: Those are all empty words because he hasn't done a

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Speaker 13: So, Nancy, let's just convict him without a trial, without

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Speaker 8: Finally. It took a long time, but he's now owned

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Speaker 13: And he said, I was not a victim of what

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Speaker 8: And then, so we.

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Speaker 13: Also know that the music business, the music business is

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Speaker 8: It's not good. It's just music.

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Speaker 13: can bet on it.

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Speaker 2: You can bank it, really you think you can bank it,

442
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 2: because Benjamin Brafman is not going to let his client

443
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Speaker 2: admit to anything else. And the only reason Diddy aka

444
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Speaker 2: Shawn comes issue that groveling and very fast apology is

445
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Speaker 2: because the video came out. He's caught red handed. And wait,

446
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 2: so should I believe you or my lie in eyes? Okay,

447
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 2: because what you said did not happen in that video.

448
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 2: He hasn't owned up to everything he did. And also

449
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 2: you seem to be blaming the music business. Hey, I

450
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 2: haven't seen Dolly Parton being dragging somebody.

451
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Speaker 1: Up and down the hallways of a hotel.

452
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Speaker 2: I haven't seen her paying out millions of dollars of settlements.

453
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Speaker 2: I haven't seen Morgan Wallen out paying off beating victims.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I can go on and on with this

455
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Speaker 2: star and that star. Uh huh, why because.

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Speaker 1: They didn't do that? He did? He did, And you're

457
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Speaker 1: trying to blame the music industry.

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Speaker 13: No, I'm not trying to blame the music industry. I'm

459
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Speaker 13: trying to explain it away as part of unfortunately what

460
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Speaker 13: happens in that industry, and it's being cleaned up. But

461
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Speaker 13: it's been low to be cleaned up. And he did

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Speaker 13: give a heartfelt apology. No, he didn't say.

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Speaker 8: I did this. I did that. I just was I

464
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Speaker 8: was wrong. I was wrong, and I am I take harship.

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Speaker 13: He said it's on me. He didn't blame anyone else.

466
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Speaker 13: He said, it's on me. I did it. I am sorry,

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Speaker 13: and yes, Nancy, he apologized after the video came out.

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Speaker 13: Can you imagine him apologizing in advance. No, you don't

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Speaker 13: do that.

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Speaker 8: You don't give something that.

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Speaker 2: If you do something wrong, why don't you apologize.

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Speaker 8: You do want your call because I'm.

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Speaker 2: Gonna apologize in advance for the dream job I'm about

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Speaker 2: to do on you, because it's.

475
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Speaker 1: Timing, timing, timing.

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Speaker 2: Dear Old Cohen, you were a prosecutor in the same.

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Speaker 1: Office as I. I saw you try cases. I know

478
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Speaker 1: that you know this is all theater.

479
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 2: That apology came out within what twenty four hours after.

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00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 1: The video came out.

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Speaker 2: You actually believe in coincidences, dearal Cohen, because I have

482
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 2: heard you myself tell a jury there is no such

483
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 2: thing as coincidences in criminal law.

484
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Speaker 1: But now tonight you have a different story.

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Speaker 13: Amazing, not a different story, Nancy. It's not a coincidence

486
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 13: the video came out. And oh, by the way, that

487
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Speaker 13: was eight years ago. So someone is after Ditty for

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Speaker 13: whatever reason. As soon as he came out instantly, within

489
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Speaker 13: twenty four hours, he explained his actions as being wrong.

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Speaker 8: I have no defense for it.

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Speaker 13: I'm sorry I did it, and I'm going to be

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Speaker 13: a better person.

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Speaker 8: It was my darkest day and let's just see, I'm.

494
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Speaker 1: So happy because now you're setting somebody's out to get Diddy.

495
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: He's the victim. This is part of a big conspiracy

496
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Speaker 1: to get Diddy.

497
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,959
Speaker 2: Well, did he better or hunker down because there's going

498
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 2: to be more video and more victims coming out to

499
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 2: speak crime stories with Nancy Grace straight out to Keela

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Speaker 2: Brantley joining me. Dailymail dot com true not true. Daily Mail,

501
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 2: the biggest online news site in the world, says Diddy

502
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Speaker 2: and crisis though, because there are more videos.

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Speaker 5: Of course, Nancy, I mean, like I said before, if

504
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 5: you abuse once, it's likely you've done it before. Obviously,

505
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 5: they stay at hotels, and there's many instances. There's a

506
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 5: ex girlfriends, not only Cassie, but you have Kimporter. There's

507
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 5: been time and time against several women who have accused

508
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 5: him or people, bodyguards, assistants who have said that this

509
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 5: is very typical for Diddy. So it's no surprise there

510
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Speaker 5: that he is in crisis mode. Obviously that apology video

511
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 5: is part of the crisis mode, trying to you know,

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Speaker 5: smooth things over, which obviously I don't think many people

513
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Speaker 5: have fallen for. But also Nancy, I did want to

514
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 5: provide some clarity on as to why he did not

515
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 5: say Cassie's name. TMZ just reported that it's actually part

516
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Speaker 5: of the settlement, the undisclosed amount that he settled with

517
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Speaker 5: Cassie back in the fall, one day after she sued

518
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 5: him for thirty million dollars. Now, apparently TMZ spoke to

519
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Speaker 5: a source who has inside knowledge of the settlement and

520
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 5: that there was a DNA that neither did he nor

521
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Speaker 5: Cassie could publicly speak about each other or say each

522
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Speaker 5: other's names. So that does provide a little bit of

523
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Speaker 5: the clarity about why he did not say Cassie's name directly,

524
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Speaker 5: And it completely makes sense as to why people were

525
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Speaker 5: up in arms that he didn't apologize directly to Cassie.

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Speaker 2: Sean Puffy comes ak a didty aka p He did?

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Speaker 1: He apologizes.

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Speaker 3: Listen, it's so difficult to reflect on the darkest times

529
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Speaker 3: in your life. Sometimes you got to do that. I was,

530
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Speaker 3: I mean, I had rock bottom. But I make no excuses.

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Speaker 3: My behavior on that video is inexcusable. I take full

532
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Speaker 3: responsibility for my ashes in that.

533
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Speaker 2: Video joining me in all star pan Let everybody jump in.

534
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Speaker 2: We're not having high tea at Windsor Castle. But hey,

535
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 2: back to you, dear Well Cohen entertainment lawyer, former felony prosecutor.

536
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Speaker 2: I would not be surprised if a lot Cosby and

537
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,959
Speaker 2: others one of these women that he and his lawyer,

538
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 2: high price lawyer I might have Benjamin Brafman keep.

539
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: Saying, Oh, they're all lying, they just want money.

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Speaker 2: I would be very not surprised if one of them

541
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Speaker 2: decides to sue him for defamation.

542
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Speaker 1: Remember when Couse we kept saying, they're all lying.

543
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Speaker 2: I didn't do that to anybody, drug them and rape them,

544
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 2: Yeah you did.

545
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: And then they turn arount and sued him.

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Speaker 2: After the statute of limitations had run, as in this case,

547
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Speaker 2: for defaming them, lying on them in.

548
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Speaker 1: Public watch out. Did he hear it comes? What do

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Speaker 1: you think, Darryl?

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Speaker 13: I think that we see what we see when and

551
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 13: if it happens. He has not named any one or

552
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Speaker 13: two or three or twenty people. He has said I

553
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 13: was wrong. It was my darkest day, and I believe

554
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Speaker 13: his apology.

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Speaker 8: Is it late? Sure? But is it appropriate? Absolutely? Did

556
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Speaker 8: he did it? Did he do it after the video

557
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 8: came out? Yes, he did.

558
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Speaker 13: That was an appropriate time to do it. And I

559
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 13: think he's right. They're looking now for money if they

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Speaker 13: wanted him to be prosecut Do.

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Speaker 2: You think that the abuse victims are looking for money? Okay, hey,

562
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Speaker 2: you know what I just noticed under John Delatory, renound

563
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Speaker 2: psychologist and mediator, Doctor Delatory, did you see I just

564
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 2: saw it when Cohen was speaking as we were showing

565
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Speaker 2: comes speaking on mute. As he's talking, he's shaking his

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Speaker 2: head No, like when you say yes, I really love

567
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Speaker 2: you and you're shaking your head no the whole time.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't that mean something in your line of business?

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 11: Absolutely, because you're looking at how everything is kind of

571
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 11: matching up, how the words match up with body language.

572
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 11: You're used to consistency, right as human beings, that's what

573
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,719
Speaker 11: we want, and when we see something that's inconsistent, that

574
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 11: raises our antenna, that puts us in an on guard

575
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Speaker 11: position because it makes us think that whatever we're being

576
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Speaker 11: told at the time doesn't come across as genuine. Now

577
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 11: maybe he's genuine, maybe he's not, but it certainly doesn't

578
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Speaker 11: feel that way when you listen to him and you

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Speaker 11: watch him speak to you.

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Speaker 2: Rober Crispin joining US now private investigator, former Federal Task

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Speaker 2: force for the USDJ Department of Justice. Robert Crispin, You've

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Speaker 2: seen a lot of defendants, a lot of lion defendants.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever noticed how somehow they make it all

584
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Speaker 2: about them, not the actual victim. Somehow the perp turns

585
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Speaker 2: out in their mind to be the victim himself.

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Speaker 1: And that's just what we see Sean comes doing.

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Speaker 9: I mean, listen, they can't come straight out forward and

588
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 9: say hey, you know, I'm sorry for beating you down

589
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 9: on multiple occasions. They always like to smooth it over

590
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Speaker 9: as like you said, they're the victim and I was

591
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Speaker 9: in a dark place and it was a bad time

592
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Speaker 9: in my life. They never actually address exactly what the

593
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 9: allegations are.

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Speaker 10: They kind of like give.

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Speaker 9: You a global apology which is going to incorporate everything

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Speaker 9: that they've ever done. And I'm shocked that he came

597
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Speaker 9: forward with this video because this video did not do

598
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Speaker 9: him any justice in light of everything that's pending against him,

599
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 9: the investigation.

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Speaker 10: How they even allowed him to release this.

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Speaker 4: Force me Paul Brendan, who was named as Diddy's drug

602
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 4: mule in Rodney Jones lawsuit has taken a plea deal

603
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 4: to dismiss the cocaine possession charge against him. Brendan was

604
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Speaker 4: arrested at Miami's Appolloca Airport while traveling with Combs the

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00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 4: day the rappers homes were rated. The Miami Dade State

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Speaker 4: Attorney's Office has said the drug diversion program Brendan must

607
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Speaker 4: complete is a standard deal offered to nonviolent defendants with

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Speaker 4: no prior arrests.

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Speaker 2: Are the desperate rats finally jumping ship rather they go

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Speaker 2: down with the ship? The rats are taking deals, Nancy.

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Speaker 13: That's my old office from before, the DA's office in Fulver,

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Speaker 13: And they offered him a deal because he was a

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Speaker 13: small time, one time only OTO person rested with a

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Speaker 13: small amount of cocaine.

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Speaker 8: Not a big deal. It's only a big deal if

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Speaker 8: you put it together.

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Speaker 1: You took a plea.

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Speaker 2: So what I'm not saying he's a good person or

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Speaker 2: a bad person. What I'm saying is he was on

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Speaker 2: the inside of Combs's circle. And if he takes a

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Speaker 2: sweetheart deal, you don't think the state's gonna want testimony

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Speaker 2: and exchange for a.

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Speaker 1: Light please sentence, Because I do.

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Speaker 2: There's no way I take a deal on this guy

625
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Speaker 2: unless he would tell me everything he knows about Combs

626
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Speaker 2: under oath on video sitting on a stack of bibles.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm also wondering. And to you, KILEB.

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Speaker 2: Brantley joining US investigative reporter dailymail dot com, another Diddy associate,

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Speaker 2: Combs associate says he saw Combs be not only Cassie Ventura,

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Speaker 2: but kim Porter, the mother of some of comes children.

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Speaker 2: What do you know about that?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Nancy. This was his former bodyguard who said that

633
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Speaker 5: he did witness violence and that Cassie is not the

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Speaker 5: only victim. He did mention kim Porter. And obviously there's

635
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Speaker 5: a history here. And because he has so many people

636
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 5: around him, so many such a big team, there are

637
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Speaker 5: people who have witnessed this and it's only a matter

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00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 5: of time before they come forward and they give testimony,

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Speaker 5: and time will tell.

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Speaker 2: We wait as justice unfolds. And to you, Sean Combs,

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00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 2: it's never too late to do the right thing. We

642
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Speaker 2: stop and remember American hero Deputy Marshall Barry Jigligo shot

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Speaker 2: and killed in the line of duty Louisiana. Survived by

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00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 2: loving fiance Pat and son Joseph, American hero Barry Jigligoh.

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Speaker 2: Thank you to all of our guests from being with

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Speaker 2: us tonight, but a special thank you to everyone joining

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Speaker 2: us in seeking justice, justice for those those people that

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Speaker 2: somehow cannot speak for themselves. Nancy Gray signing off, good

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Speaker 2: night friend,