Speaker 1: Hello, quick plug. At the top of the show, we
Speaker 1: are doing a live reading of the Santa Clause Disney.
Speaker 1: You know it, you love it, so we're taking the script.
Speaker 1: We're doing a live reading of it. I'll be there,
Speaker 1: Jamie will be there. Grace Thomas, our guest from the
Speaker 1: Santa Claus episode we recorded and released last year, will
Speaker 1: be there. We've got a few other friends joining the cast.
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Speaker 1: episode on the be dol cast. The questions asked if
Speaker 1: movies have women and um are all their discussions just
Speaker 1: boyfriends and husbands or do they have individualism, the patriarchy,
Speaker 1: zef invest start changing it with the beck Del Cast. Hi, everybody,
Speaker 1: welcome to the beck Del Cast. My name's Jamie Loftez.
Speaker 1: My name's Caitlin Darante, and we're celebrating four years of
Speaker 1: the MF Bechtel Cast. Wow, the MF TBC or no
Speaker 1: t MF B c oh yes the mud. I was like,
Speaker 1: wait a second, math letters, math letters, da Vinci could
Speaker 1: let's over it, which brings us to our episode today.
Speaker 1: Uh no, I promise we'll never cover the da Vinci cud.
Speaker 1: Isn't it? I know, but it's like I feel like he.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like he would be like that's okay,
Speaker 1: you don't have to cover though that that's kind of fun.
Speaker 1: If I wonder what movies Alfred Billina was like, I
Speaker 1: don't watch that one. Maybe don't. Welcome to the back Doelcast.
Speaker 1: This is a celebration episodes. If it's your first episode,
Speaker 1: uh you know, probably shouldn't be, but or unless you
Speaker 1: want to just get to know us really well before
Speaker 1: verifying if we have any skills or not. Well, some
Speaker 1: of these well, okay, so we're doing a Q and
Speaker 1: A episode. Some of these questions I think will elicit
Speaker 1: a really interesting discussion. So that's our plan. We're we're
Speaker 1: just doing a celebratory four year anniversary Q and A episode.
Speaker 1: We've done a few of these in the past. We've
Speaker 1: done been at least one or two on a main feed,
Speaker 1: and then I think too on the Matreon as well. Yes,
Speaker 1: which is where these questions are coming from. They are
Speaker 1: coming from our patreon ak matrion where you can I guess,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I just started plugging it instinctually, but essentially
Speaker 1: that's that's our Matreon community and that's where we sourced
Speaker 1: the amazing questions that you're going to be hearing us
Speaker 1: uh stumble our way through today. That's right, So thank
Speaker 1: you to everyone on the Matreon who did submit a question.
Speaker 1: We're unfortunately not going to be able to get to
Speaker 1: all of them. We won't have the time. We've we
Speaker 1: got dozens of questions, um, and some of them are
Speaker 1: questions that we have answered on previous Q and A episodes,
Speaker 1: So we'd recommend going back and listening to those. If
Speaker 1: you're like, why didn't they answer, how how did Jamie
Speaker 1: and Caitlin meet? And why did you start the podcast?
Speaker 1: We've already answered that on other episodes in the past
Speaker 1: season of Our French These questions, the reveals have happened
Speaker 1: mid season. But but there were a lot of amazing
Speaker 1: questions in this um in dispatch our listeners. Well, they're
Speaker 1: very perceptive, smart, brilliant geniuses, a million percent all feminist icons. Yeah,
Speaker 1: five you all get five five nips, five nips all around.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's been four years. I still I mean,
Speaker 1: we did not start the podcast because the Trump administration
Speaker 1: was starting, but it was it just timed out that way.
Speaker 1: And baby, we're gonna be in office longer, four more
Speaker 1: years for the factodcast exactly, we're gonna outlive the Biden administration.
Speaker 1: Who was it? Was it FDR who had like four
Speaker 1: four year terms? Was that that president? And I think
Speaker 1: it was This is a this is a history podcast. Wait,
Speaker 1: I think it was FDR, right, And I think so
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna do FDR. Like, see, we're gonna
Speaker 1: sixteen years. Is that too long? Twelve twelve years, that's
Speaker 1: too locome, that's too long, that's three terms. Hey, he
Speaker 1: shouldn't have done that. Well, all right, now they put
Speaker 1: in term limits because of him, right, I think. So, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're like, we're getting close to like dictator territory here,
Speaker 1: Let's let's give it a limit. Yeah, you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: knock it off, sir. Um. Anyways, I don't know anything
Speaker 1: about that, but what we do know is the answers
Speaker 1: to the questions that you're about to here. Um okay,
Speaker 1: so here, here we go. Our first question comes from Jacqueline.
Speaker 1: The question is what has been the most surprisingly positive
Speaker 1: find during the show for each of you, especially movies
Speaker 1: pre two thousand and five? Oh, does anything jump to
Speaker 1: mind for you immediately? Well? As far as um, the
Speaker 1: positive find implies to me as though it's a movie
Speaker 1: that we hadn't already like known about or been on
Speaker 1: our radar. I guess, which is a lot of them
Speaker 1: for me and none of them for me because I
Speaker 1: just kidding. But but um, because there are plenty of
Speaker 1: pre two thousand five movies that I think are worth
Speaker 1: watching and checking out. But um, like, for example, Thelma
Speaker 1: and Louise comes to mind, But I had already seen
Speaker 1: that many times, so it wasn't as though like we
Speaker 1: discovered it via this podcast. But I feel like that
Speaker 1: does count though, of like, uh, you know, your love
Speaker 1: of a movie increased, or like the context of it
Speaker 1: and shift. I thought about that for Josie and the
Speaker 1: Pussycats because I'd seen it before. But I feel like
Speaker 1: that was a movie that when we analyze it and
Speaker 1: it did so well and like there were so many
Speaker 1: more layers that I was like, yeah, like yeah, it
Speaker 1: just like deepened. I feel like I have more cases
Speaker 1: of that than not if either my love for a
Speaker 1: movie I already loved deepening or it becoming tarnished. Sure, well,
Speaker 1: A few that stood out to me. A recent one
Speaker 1: was How Stella Got Her Groove back. Um oh, First
Speaker 1: Wives Club. Again, not a perfect movie, but um it's
Speaker 1: one that I really wasn't I hadn't seen it prior
Speaker 1: to starting this podcast. I would say nine to five. Uh,
Speaker 1: Sister Act. My love of Sister Act was deepened when
Speaker 1: we covered that movie. I'm just going through our list here.
Speaker 1: I mean National Treasure, of course. I mean, well, if
Speaker 1: we're going to bring up National Treasure, we have to
Speaker 1: Actually the top answer for this question is obviously Flubber Flabber.
Speaker 1: I mean, were there. I think I hopefully we've given
Speaker 1: a second life to Flubber, and I Frankenstein. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there's there are a lot of movies who
Speaker 1: who who movies are people? Um, that my love has deepened.
Speaker 1: I think that that's where common Josie and the Pussycats
Speaker 1: comes to mind. How Stella got her groove back is
Speaker 1: a great example. And yeah, I think that's I think
Speaker 1: that's my answer to that question. Yeah. Same. I I
Speaker 1: feel good about the movies I've already thrown out, So
Speaker 1: thanks Jacqueline. Um our next question comes from Ella asks
Speaker 1: what movies were you expecting not to like and have
Speaker 1: surprised you? Um? I that's not true. I was like,
Speaker 1: I can't get a flubber answer here because I was
Speaker 1: expecting till love it and then I still did. Um.
Speaker 1: I mean I think for me it's there's the occasional
Speaker 1: action movie will cover that I didn't think I was
Speaker 1: going to be like captivated by but ended up being.
Speaker 1: I think that actually the Terminator movies, UM surprised me
Speaker 1: because I just view that as like, it's not my genre. Really,
Speaker 1: I know that it's like feminist and cool, but it's
Speaker 1: but but I was really captivated by them. I liked
Speaker 1: them a lot. I'm so glad to hear that because
Speaker 1: I love the first two in the second one especially,
Speaker 1: are is like one of my top ten favorite movies
Speaker 1: of all time. I think. My biggest answer for this, oh,
Speaker 1: I have to I didn't have super high hopes for
Speaker 1: Birds of Prey based on how bad of a movie
Speaker 1: Suicide Squad was, but I really really enjoyed Birds of Prey.
Speaker 1: And I also I think because of the way the
Speaker 1: movie Blockers was marketed. I thought it was and we
Speaker 1: covered Blockers on the Matreon, so get on it, folks.
Speaker 1: But I thought Blockers was going to be a mess
Speaker 1: just like another like gross Ou and it is, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of a gross out comedy, but in in the
Speaker 1: vein of like American pie problematic and not sex positive
Speaker 1: feminist kind of messaging that it had. So I also
Speaker 1: I would also add in, uh, Frozen two. That was
Speaker 1: a movie I did not expect to I guess I
Speaker 1: just I mean, that movie is very you should just
Speaker 1: listen to the episode. But I think that was a
Speaker 1: movie that I thought I knew what the direction of
Speaker 1: the conversation was going to be when we when I
Speaker 1: started like the process of researching, and it just totally
Speaker 1: went another way. And I learned a lot and our
Speaker 1: guest Ali is so incredible and like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: That was like one of the recent episodes where I
Speaker 1: was like, whoa, I learned ship and it really like
Speaker 1: I didn't go in expecting to like find a lot
Speaker 1: in in in Frozen two, but guess what, there's there's
Speaker 1: some stuff in there. It's got substance. It's got substance,
Speaker 1: it turns out. So that was That was another one
Speaker 1: that kind of pleasantly surprised me. Thank you Ella for
Speaker 1: that question. Indeed, let's see going next to Adam, who
Speaker 1: is a student of yours. Yeah, he sister of mine.
Speaker 1: So shout out to Adam. Thanks for taking my class,
Speaker 1: Thanks for asking this question. Adam has a good question,
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to figure out if I know what
Speaker 1: the answer is or not. Are there any films one
Speaker 1: of you wants to cover in an episode that the
Speaker 1: other person refuses to cover. That's like, definitely, but I
Speaker 1: guess I just said I will never cover the Da
Speaker 1: Vinci Could But I'm like kind of joking and I'm
Speaker 1: over here like we have to cover Da Vinci. Let
Speaker 1: the da Vinci Could stand. And it's been a big
Speaker 1: problem for in our friends, So it's toward our podcast
Speaker 1: apart almost what is I feel like we talked about like, well,
Speaker 1: there was something that you said no to for a
Speaker 1: long time and then eventually you said yes recently, but
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember what it was. I mean I
Speaker 1: was very reluctant to do like D coms and like
Speaker 1: high school musical and stuff like that for a long
Speaker 1: Maybe that is it, right, but then but but then
Speaker 1: now you've seen d coms. I haven't seen teen Beach movie. Hello,
Speaker 1: best movie ever made? Um? What else are There's not
Speaker 1: many that we are like, no unless I remember saying
Speaker 1: that we should cover Dumb and Dumber and you know that,
Speaker 1: but only not because I like that movie, just because
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot to talk about because of
Speaker 1: how fucked up it is. Yeah, there are. I mean
Speaker 1: I think occasionally, honestly, there are episodes that you're just like,
Speaker 1: do we have to thinking about it? But I mean
Speaker 1: I would, I would do Dumb and Dumber. I think
Speaker 1: it's also just sometimes you're just like, is that the
Speaker 1: top of our list? But then it's also like we
Speaker 1: just did Flubber, so that list just very it's a
Speaker 1: very it's a very fluid list. Yes, if we're nothing
Speaker 1: if not eclectic in our movie choices. I will say
Speaker 1: one episode that I was I mean, and there's just
Speaker 1: like certain movies that you just know are so deeply
Speaker 1: entrenched in like problematic stuff that you're just like, where
Speaker 1: are we even going to begin? I felt that way
Speaker 1: about that. There's something about Mary episode of like we're
Speaker 1: gonna be here for six hours but thankfully Katy's stall
Speaker 1: is an angel and that episode was really fun. But
Speaker 1: it was like stuff like that, I get like overwhelmed
Speaker 1: in advance thinking about like or like episodes where you're like,
Speaker 1: I have forty five pages of notes, like it's not well.
Speaker 1: There was a period of time where I was kind
Speaker 1: of begging you to redo the Matrix episode. And this
Speaker 1: actually leads to kind of a plug because here's something
Speaker 1: that happened a few months ago. We removed four episodes,
Speaker 1: really early episodes that for different reasons, we just kind
Speaker 1: of didn't want them in the feed, mostly because we
Speaker 1: wanted to redo them. Yeah, and we never thought anyone
Speaker 1: would notice, and turns out everyone noticed were so wrong. Um,
Speaker 1: And the reason we did it it was honestly, I mean,
Speaker 1: if you've ever had a podcast for four years, you'll
Speaker 1: find that some of your like, especially they're they're all
Speaker 1: episodes from like early on in the show when we
Speaker 1: were disorganized, and like they're all in like the first
Speaker 1: ten we did, they are all among that cluster. So
Speaker 1: they're all, yeah, and we've done how many episodes now,
Speaker 1: I've done hundred, uh not including the matren And also
Speaker 1: it's like, I I everyone roast me for not watching
Speaker 1: the Matrix, but it early in the show, we were
Speaker 1: truly doing the show pretty much strictly for fun and
Speaker 1: to have a fun conversation, and I was like working
Speaker 1: two jobs, Like I didn't always have time to do
Speaker 1: the deep dive that were fortunate enough to have the
Speaker 1: time for now. So we so we took down four
Speaker 1: episodes that we just were like, honestly, we're just like,
Speaker 1: we don't think that is going to be very helpful
Speaker 1: for anyone. And since people tend to like scroll down
Speaker 1: to the beginning of a feed to start the show,
Speaker 1: we got rid of four episodes that were like, we
Speaker 1: don't think this is a good introduction to what the
Speaker 1: show is. Yeah, but but we are going to redo
Speaker 1: those episodes. We're redoing them. The plan is for January. Uh.
Speaker 1: Those that's kind of just kind of be our our
Speaker 1: January episodes. The episodes we are redoing our Kill Bills
Speaker 1: Volume one and two, which was our first episode of
Speaker 1: all time, and you might imagine it's not our strongest.
Speaker 1: Uh it's almost like we're flailing around in a big pool.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what to do. Uh. One of them
Speaker 1: is the animated Beauty and the Beast from one, our
Speaker 1: second episode ever, again, as you might imagine, not our strongest,
Speaker 1: our best. Um. And then there's also The Matrix, Yes,
Speaker 1: which I am going to watch. I know it's been
Speaker 1: like a joke for for years, but um, I'm sick
Speaker 1: of hearing about it. And I hear that the movie
Speaker 1: is pretty good, So I think, I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you'll like become a fan, but I think
Speaker 1: you'll not hate it. I think you'll like enjoy it
Speaker 1: for what it is. I honestly think i'll I'll. I'm
Speaker 1: there is so much that we didn't discuss in that
Speaker 1: first Matrix episode anyways that I'm like, I feel like
Speaker 1: there's so many more, so many levels of appreciation for
Speaker 1: the Matrix that I'm excited to discuss and I'm a
Speaker 1: way bigger Kian you stand than I was four years ago,
Speaker 1: So I think that this is just it's it's a
Speaker 1: good vibe. And then we're also redoing Mad Max Fury Road, Yes,
Speaker 1: which since recording that one, that has become one of
Speaker 1: my like top five favorite movies of all time. So
Speaker 1: I I've seen it like dozens and dozens and dozens
Speaker 1: of times since then, I've done a bunch of reading
Speaker 1: and research about it. I have a greater appreciation for it,
Speaker 1: but also some like other like different opinions that I
Speaker 1: had originally, So yeah, worth redoing all around. Still I
Speaker 1: still resent the steampunk aesthetic for the record, but I
Speaker 1: have rewatched the movie since, and uh yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I feel like we just there that movie deserved a
Speaker 1: better episode than we were equipped to give, which I
Speaker 1: think also like ties into like our own ongoing education
Speaker 1: and growth as hosts to or we're always learning, we're trying,
Speaker 1: and so yeah, I look forward to We've we got
Speaker 1: to think of a better name than redo month? Right?
Speaker 1: What is what do we call it? Well? Where we
Speaker 1: will accept pitches from listeners on what that month should
Speaker 1: be called, although we usually don't. We have like very
Speaker 1: goofy names for themes for Matreon months, but not usually
Speaker 1: for the main feat, so maybe we don't need like
Speaker 1: a fancy name for it. I don't know. I was like, Redo,
Speaker 1: you wary thoughts sound off in the comment, No, don't
Speaker 1: because that was perfect. All right, Well we figured it out. Redo,
Speaker 1: you are okay. So that all was the answer to
Speaker 1: the question from Adam, So thank you again for submitting
Speaker 1: that question. Next question comes from Darcy asks how do
Speaker 1: you feel nostalgia plays into how we view movies. It's
Speaker 1: easy to defend your favorite movie when it's your favorite,
Speaker 1: but what about when that movie has actively harmful things
Speaker 1: being said. I know y'all have had some discussion about
Speaker 1: this on your Favorite Movie episodes, but I'd love to
Speaker 1: hear any other takes you have on it. So thanks Darcy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like we've had versions of this conversation in
Speaker 1: the past. I think that nostalgia weirdly, especially for our
Speaker 1: generation for everyone, but I feel like we are a
Speaker 1: very nostalgia driven generation in particular. Yeah. One of the
Speaker 1: main examples that comes to mind for me is the
Speaker 1: Indiana Jones trilogy. And it is a trilogy because let's
Speaker 1: not I don't. I don't observe the fourth one is
Speaker 1: being part of it anyway. Um, those movies are so
Speaker 1: harmful and so bad and so sexist and so racist,
Speaker 1: and I can't stop loving them. So like nostalgia is
Speaker 1: a huge component of that because these are movies I
Speaker 1: grew up with and I watched constantly as a kid.
Speaker 1: And um, same thing with like the Back to the
Speaker 1: Future trilogy pretty actively harmful in terms of its depictions
Speaker 1: of various characters and just situations. But they're like my
Speaker 1: favorite movies. So, as we always see on the podcast,
Speaker 1: you're allowed to love whatever you love. We just always
Speaker 1: encourage critical analysis of the things you love and be
Speaker 1: able to recognize that something you love might be actively harmful.
Speaker 1: And if you share your favorite, like your nostalgia favorite
Speaker 1: movie with someone, like have a discussion with that person
Speaker 1: after were it's about like why it's fucked up and
Speaker 1: why it doesn't necessarily hold up anymore. But do you
Speaker 1: still love it? Yeah? I also feel like there is
Speaker 1: like it's such a personal thing as well, where I
Speaker 1: feel like part of I mean this is this this
Speaker 1: question ties into why we do the show in the
Speaker 1: first place, is to like approach popular movies. I mean,
Speaker 1: in some episodes, it's like approaching popular movies that have
Speaker 1: a lot of problematic elements that it's like, we just
Speaker 1: want to talk about the context of it so that
Speaker 1: you can watch it with more awareness. I don't. I
Speaker 1: feel like it's almost creating a shield for yourself in
Speaker 1: a way of like, first, we want to encourage people
Speaker 1: to demand better of the popular art that's being created,
Speaker 1: but also it's like you're creating a shield against old
Speaker 1: art to be like I can consume this and I
Speaker 1: can like take in its entertainment value if I'm comfortable
Speaker 1: doing so, and everyone, I mean, that's a whole it's
Speaker 1: very personal. Like I can also see how someone would
Speaker 1: be like I just don't funk with the Indiana Jones
Speaker 1: movies anymore after I realized what it and but it's
Speaker 1: going to be different for everyone, and I feel like
Speaker 1: it's just a matter of like crafting your Oh god,
Speaker 1: I sound like a Marvel movie, crafting your little your
Speaker 1: little shield so that certain stuff you know, just so
Speaker 1: you're aware and that you can watch and enjoy things
Speaker 1: mind fully. Does that make sense? Yeah, of course, yeah,
Speaker 1: Because nostalgia is such a tricky and sometimes pesky little emotions.
Speaker 1: It does. I mean, it's like I I was totally
Speaker 1: torpedoed by like Disney movies and like, I mean I
Speaker 1: think more of us than not honestly, and you're just like,
Speaker 1: I know this is wrong, but the songs are so catchy.
Speaker 1: What do I do. It's something that if, like we
Speaker 1: all deal with to an extent, if you have literally
Speaker 1: no problematic faiths, congratulations for you born in like like
Speaker 1: but and also like even so kind of but it
Speaker 1: I feel like it is just a matter of just
Speaker 1: creating a level of awareness and and like you were saying,
Speaker 1: having discussions that feel productive with with people who share
Speaker 1: the same nostalgia you do. Nostalgic. I feel like it
Speaker 1: can be if if you're if it's uncritical nostalgia, that's
Speaker 1: that's a red straight to hell. Baby. Yeah, that is
Speaker 1: like what I would take issue with. It's again, it's
Speaker 1: I mean, we have our our list of red flag
Speaker 1: movies that it's like like, if you listen, this is
Speaker 1: your favorite movie, maybe reevaluate your love of like fucking
Speaker 1: scarface or whatever right there. Yeah, the way you said
Speaker 1: that sounded like Jeff Foxworthy, You're like you might be
Speaker 1: a toxic person um. But but if you love scarface
Speaker 1: and have like written essays about how fucked up and
Speaker 1: problematic it is, then that's another thing. But bottom line,
Speaker 1: be critical of the media you consume and we are
Speaker 1: here to help with that. Yeah, and that's why we
Speaker 1: do the show to continue to learn from our listeners,
Speaker 1: which is which is great. And so it's like it's
Speaker 1: kind of a different It's kind of hard to have
Speaker 1: this conversation too broadly because it's like there are some
Speaker 1: it's a very movie to movie, person to person thing,
Speaker 1: but I think that's our general answer. Indeed, so thank you, Darcy.
Speaker 1: Our next question comes from PSI area and they ask.
Speaker 1: For years, intersectionalist critique of popular media has seemingly been
Speaker 1: relegated to indie publications, academic papers, and blog posts. Many times,
Speaker 1: I've seen such criticism disregarded as having no bearing on
Speaker 1: the objective quality quote unquote of a film. For example,
Speaker 1: even modern reviews for Birth of a Nation often call
Speaker 1: it quote a masterpiece despite all the racism unquote, not
Speaker 1: even considering that the racism might have any bearing on
Speaker 1: the quality of the film itself. Blatant use of sexist
Speaker 1: tropes by male auteurs are acknowledged as an afterthought. If ever,
Speaker 1: it seems unthinkable to reviewers that analysis of racism, sexism,
Speaker 1: or ass heteronormativity could somehow be integrated into mainstream critique.
Speaker 1: Why do you think that film critics have been so
Speaker 1: slow to adopt new, more self reflective ways of thinking
Speaker 1: and talking about movies? Uh? Wow, what it's awful question.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Indeed, my first of all, I
Speaker 1: totally see what yours. I mean, it's like that. I
Speaker 1: feel like we often kind of try to go to
Speaker 1: how is this movie reviewed when it was released? And
Speaker 1: you see a lot of that. To me, I mean,
Speaker 1: my gut instinct answer is that pop culture is reflective
Speaker 1: of the larger culture that you're living inside of. And
Speaker 1: so I think that the reason that film critics have
Speaker 1: been slow slow to adopt more self reflective ways of
Speaker 1: thinking is because our culture has not been welcoming or
Speaker 1: encouraging of new ways of thinking for since time immemorial.
Speaker 1: I feel like it it definitely not completely but has
Speaker 1: a lot to do with, you know, Western culture in general.
Speaker 1: Like and I also really don't like when people dump
Speaker 1: on independent film critics and creators because it's like I
Speaker 1: feel like that's who's really doing the work and moving
Speaker 1: stuff forward, like it's it's not Roger Ebert, Honey is sorry,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah. Often when we cite writing film criticism
Speaker 1: film reviews on our show, it's almost always from you know,
Speaker 1: indep complications and like feminist blogs and stuff like that
Speaker 1: that are you know, not the most mainstream because reviews
Speaker 1: from the New York Times or from like Roger Eberts
Speaker 1: like Legacy you know, l A Times and all those
Speaker 1: you know, huge newspapers and publications and things like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're still they're doing what they've been doing for decades
Speaker 1: and decades, which is analyzing a film only on the
Speaker 1: merit of its like story and cinematography and like important
Speaker 1: aspects of film, but not at all on like representation
Speaker 1: and inclusion and and it's like really acknowledging saying I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that the way that si Areal describes this
Speaker 1: is really insightful of like calling Birth of a Nation
Speaker 1: a masterpiece despite all the racism, Like you, like, do
Speaker 1: you hear what you're saying when you say that, Like
Speaker 1: whoever the funk said that? Like what the look? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's I feel like for especially for like legacy
Speaker 1: film critics who like it almost seems like they think
Speaker 1: that that is enough. They're like, well, I acknowledge that
Speaker 1: it's racist. I said all the racism, so you know,
Speaker 1: check I mentioned it's racist, and the racism doesn't make
Speaker 1: it bad. It's still a great work of art. And
Speaker 1: first of all, is it it's a fucking three hour
Speaker 1: long piece of shit movie that fucking sent kicked up
Speaker 1: the KKK and the US, so like, we don't yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and I think it also has to do
Speaker 1: with the extreme whiteness and you know, siss maleness of
Speaker 1: most of film criticism up until pretty recently. And that's
Speaker 1: not to say that people weren't writing. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: like so much of what we've pulled from over the
Speaker 1: years is from black writers, from indigenous writers, from women
Speaker 1: in from queer people, from people who have been doing
Speaker 1: the writing and the work for a long time. It's
Speaker 1: just I feel like, in terms of being put on
Speaker 1: by like an institution and being like you're our film
Speaker 1: critic now, that is like, first of all, still needs
Speaker 1: a lot more, but um is something that's relatively new,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to just off the top of my
Speaker 1: head shut up. We've had two incredible black film critics
Speaker 1: on the show recently, Ashley Ray and Jordan's Searles. So
Speaker 1: they're doing it, but they like, you know, they they
Speaker 1: did a lot of indie writing before, and so it's
Speaker 1: so frustrating. I mean, I think that that's just something
Speaker 1: that even as fans of movies, that's like something that
Speaker 1: we all as a community need to keep pushing for,
Speaker 1: is like more representation in film criticism, because otherwise I
Speaker 1: feel like it's never going to stop this like despite
Speaker 1: all the racism, despite all the sexism, and and then
Speaker 1: being like all right, I'm done, good review five stars,
Speaker 1: like fuck you for sure. I think that also extends
Speaker 1: to what is taught in like film schools, because a
Speaker 1: lot of I imagine a lot of like film critics
Speaker 1: did something to study like you know, film theory or
Speaker 1: film criticism or you know, film studies in you know,
Speaker 1: some form of higher education. And so much as someone
Speaker 1: who's taken many classes like that in my various degrees
Speaker 1: that I that I would never talk about. Of course,
Speaker 1: there's been very very little discussion about representation or if
Speaker 1: it was it was like a specific class if you
Speaker 1: wanted to like learn about like feminism and movies. You'd
Speaker 1: have to like take a specific class, and it was
Speaker 1: always like a an elective that wasn't a required part
Speaker 1: of the curriculum. And and so it's just not prioritized
Speaker 1: in in schools, or at least it wasn't when I was,
Speaker 1: it was taking classes at university. And I hope, yeah,
Speaker 1: and even when I feel like, even sometimes when you
Speaker 1: do get to address stuff, it's still in a very
Speaker 1: I didn't know, just a very academic, whitewashed way where
Speaker 1: even like I remember in like one of my film
Speaker 1: classes there it was like and this is like it's
Speaker 1: woman Day in film history class, and here's all the
Speaker 1: women who have done stuff, and it was like a
Speaker 1: list of like five white women. And then we never
Speaker 1: talked about any women ever again. And then we talked
Speaker 1: about Woody Allen for five years. Like it's like why, why, why,
Speaker 1: why why? We really need to get them out of
Speaker 1: the classroom. Mom sick of it. So yes, Si Aio,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for that really thoughtful question, and
Speaker 1: that's a discussion we hope to continue. Yes, indeed, let's
Speaker 1: take a quick break and then we'll come back with
Speaker 1: more questions. Uh. Next question comes from Jerome asks. I
Speaker 1: just wanted to ask specifically about the changes you've made
Speaker 1: since June and the two incredibly self reflective episodes you posted.
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if you went back to those challenging questions
Speaker 1: you were asking yourselves in June and how you feel
Speaker 1: you are going on the journey of addressing them. Thank
Speaker 1: you for your question. That that's a great that's a
Speaker 1: great question. I think. First of all, I mean that's
Speaker 1: it's not really a question for us to answer, per se.
Speaker 1: I mean, we can't really say how we're doing. That's
Speaker 1: really up to our Black, Brown and Indigenous listeners, So
Speaker 1: that's not really our call to make. But in terms
Speaker 1: of what we have been trying to do and the
Speaker 1: track that we've been trying to get onto and the
Speaker 1: priority switch, I think we've made some progress. I think
Speaker 1: we definitely we could always be doing more, but I
Speaker 1: think we've I think we've made progress. I'm I'm like
Speaker 1: we're on the right track. I feel yeah, I I
Speaker 1: I'm of the mind that like we could always be
Speaker 1: doing better. There's always more to learn, There's there's always
Speaker 1: something new to address, there's something that we've overlooked in
Speaker 1: the past that we should like be careful to address
Speaker 1: moving forward. There's mistakes we've made in the best, So
Speaker 1: yeahs as far as like our progress goes, since like
Speaker 1: those few episodes that are being referenced that we released
Speaker 1: in June, which which was released um around the height
Speaker 1: of the Black Lives Matter protests, and we I mean basically,
Speaker 1: I mean, if if you didn't listen to those episodes,
Speaker 1: that's totally fine. But what what it boiled down to
Speaker 1: it as far as our show goes at least, was
Speaker 1: that I feel like, I mean, for for I don't
Speaker 1: want to speak for you, Caitlin, but I I feel
Speaker 1: like I had a reckoning with how few black movies
Speaker 1: and by extension, how a few non white movies we
Speaker 1: had covered on the show, and how that was kind
Speaker 1: of that had to do with a fundamental flaw in
Speaker 1: the premise of our show, which was that we were
Speaker 1: going on this very vague, you know, qualifier of quote
Speaker 1: unquote influential movie without taking into account movies that are
Speaker 1: not given the priority, the budget, the marketing, that are
Speaker 1: amazing movies that people should be watching, and also the
Speaker 1: fact that we're filtering it through our white experience, and
Speaker 1: the result of that was that we were watching mainly
Speaker 1: movies directed by white people, like by a huge margin,
Speaker 1: and seeing that laid out was really like a fuck
Speaker 1: moment for me, of like, well, if this is what
Speaker 1: we're doing, then the premises flawed and we need to
Speaker 1: like you know, grow the show to not just be
Speaker 1: covering you know, white movie like. So that that was
Speaker 1: what as far as our show goes, that really stuck
Speaker 1: with me, of like, we need to not just be
Speaker 1: covering and this is kind of like referencing our episode
Speaker 1: with Kidneys, but not just movies by black directors, round directors,
Speaker 1: indigenous directors, but like movies about black joy and yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean just covering a wide variety of movies,
Speaker 1: not just rehashing the same two thousands shitty white rom
Speaker 1: call movie premise that we've talked about a million times,
Speaker 1: which can be fun, and like we're not saying that
Speaker 1: like that, you know, that's a part of our whatever
Speaker 1: what fucked us in the head, So it's worth discussing.
Speaker 1: But but but it can't just be that that's a
Speaker 1: fruitless exercise. After a while, we need to be you know,
Speaker 1: introducing our audience to movies and just like learning more
Speaker 1: ourselves for sure. Someone tweeted at us just say a day,
Speaker 1: asking like can you cover more Latin X movies and
Speaker 1: have more Latin X guests on and I was like, shit, yeah,
Speaker 1: we've covered only a few and we should and will
Speaker 1: do more for sure. Yes. So um, like I said,
Speaker 1: there's there's always more to learn. There's always room for improvement,
Speaker 1: and that is a large a large part of why
Speaker 1: we encourage engagement from our listeners to like, let us know,
Speaker 1: suggestions for movies to cover, for guests to have on
Speaker 1: the show, articles, we should read, books, we should read
Speaker 1: um even though we are famously and the book just
Speaker 1: d but uh, yeah, it's always open feedback with us.
Speaker 1: It's always been like that, it always will be like that.
Speaker 1: And then when this episode comes up, we're all will
Speaker 1: also um repost our request for him and um we
Speaker 1: would love more requests, UM for movies that are not
Speaker 1: made by white people that you would like to see
Speaker 1: spotlighted on the show. That would be that would be amazing.
Speaker 1: We always want to you know, give you know, on
Speaker 1: on top of um talking about amazing movies, we want
Speaker 1: to talk about movies that you want to talk about
Speaker 1: with us, and so you know, we'll always be in
Speaker 1: conversation with you, and we're we're committed to continuing to
Speaker 1: to learn and and do better. Yeah, we're we're always
Speaker 1: looking to enlighten ourselves and learn more and be as
Speaker 1: inclusive as possible. So so thank you for that question.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Jerome. Our next question comes from Alana. Who
Speaker 1: would you cast as yourself in the movies about your life?
Speaker 1: And who would you cast for the other person if
Speaker 1: it's different. Uh, well, the question answers itself. I want
Speaker 1: Alfred Billina to play me from the moment I'm born,
Speaker 1: because in parentheses at the end of this question is
Speaker 1: is it all Alfred Maline? And of course the answer
Speaker 1: to that is yes, I think that. Yeah, I want
Speaker 1: movie of my life would start with my mom's C
Speaker 1: section and and and then it's Alfred Billina currently so
Speaker 1: she's so holding him in her arms, but it's like
Speaker 1: a sixty year old man. Wait, pitch, okay, it's it's
Speaker 1: Alfred Molina as the surgeon performing the c section. It's
Speaker 1: Alfred Molina as your mother, Alfred Molina as you the baby. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is my princess switch, this is my norbit this is
Speaker 1: my any of the one person plays everybody, that's what
Speaker 1: I want off for Malina to play Caitlin as well.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. What what would what would be
Speaker 1: your picks? I'm curious. Um. For some for some reason,
Speaker 1: my mind went directly to Winona Ryder. That's yeah, that
Speaker 1: would rock for my For me, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: And then obviously I agree that from Lena should play
Speaker 1: you and everyone you know in the movie about your life.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't even have a different answer for that. Okay,
Speaker 1: So thank you Alana for that question. Next question comes
Speaker 1: from Donna asks what are some ways that one can
Speaker 1: be involved in film discourse? I love these types of
Speaker 1: conversations and find myself wanting to talk with you both
Speaker 1: on so many topics, but lessa you cannot hear me
Speaker 1: through the headphones frownie face emoji. I don't have any
Speaker 1: friends who are very interested in this, and also do
Speaker 1: not want to code to art school again. I would
Speaker 1: love a community where I can talk about these topics more.
Speaker 1: I find it very important in stimulating listening to your
Speaker 1: podcast help me realize just how deeply these tropes impacted me,
Speaker 1: the magnitude of their effect is wild and then they
Speaker 1: say thank you and thank you Donna for this question
Speaker 1: and for your kind words. This is a tricky Okay,
Speaker 1: so this is a tricky question. I feel like because
Speaker 1: the answer to your question is the Internet, but that
Speaker 1: is very fraught because there are so many toxic I mean,
Speaker 1: there are places I would say, you know, unless you
Speaker 1: know of a Reddit board that is safe, uh, to
Speaker 1: avoid their I mean, I feel like that there are
Speaker 1: conversations about film discourse going on everywhere. It's just a
Speaker 1: matter I think of finding a space that is going
Speaker 1: to discuss film in a way that is open to intersectionality.
Speaker 1: It doesn't even need to be strictly about intersectionality, but
Speaker 1: has to be like involved in the conversation. I think.
Speaker 1: I think the closest I could come to with a
Speaker 1: recommendation here. And I would also be curious for listeners
Speaker 1: to pass along communities that you you like to participate in.
Speaker 1: But I feel like letterboxed is potentially a good a
Speaker 1: good place to go to find a I've found the
Speaker 1: letter boxing community to be generally very like cool and
Speaker 1: open to discussion, and yeah, it seems like kind of
Speaker 1: a beautiful corner of the Internet at the time of
Speaker 1: this recording, right, it could all go tit's up when
Speaker 1: we least expect it. But um, yeah, that's a that's
Speaker 1: a great suggestion. Um well, obviously this isn't a viable
Speaker 1: option right now. But we've had listeners reach out to
Speaker 1: us and say that they have like kind of put
Speaker 1: out feelers just like in whatever city they lived. I
Speaker 1: think there was one in London. I think there's ones
Speaker 1: in other cities where people have just been like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of this podcast. Anyone else out there
Speaker 1: want to like get together and have kind of like
Speaker 1: we almost like a book club. But for spectel Cast listeners,
Speaker 1: obviously with this pandemic, that is is not an option.
Speaker 1: But if there's some kind of like I don't know,
Speaker 1: our chat room, that's still a thing. I'm kidding, But
Speaker 1: I do think, I h I think that fully we can.
Speaker 1: I mean that's the thing that like I love I
Speaker 1: love when uh, like fans of a show, our show
Speaker 1: or any show like organized and like meet each other.
Speaker 1: And that seems like the most organic, cool way to
Speaker 1: do it. But unfortunately, uh, you can't right now. I
Speaker 1: would say, yeah, letterbox for now, and then I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think of a way we can help streamline this process.
Speaker 1: I guess we have until there's a vaccine to figure
Speaker 1: it out, but to help our listeners kind of coordinate,
Speaker 1: and a place to find other bectel heads, because I
Speaker 1: like truly the energy at live shows of like fans
Speaker 1: of the show meeting each other, like we have had
Speaker 1: so many I miss live shows so much, like so
Speaker 1: many cases of like people who are like in line
Speaker 1: together or like sat next to each other, or came
Speaker 1: to the show by themselves and then mets like made
Speaker 1: made friends, and like vactel cast shows are great networking tools.
Speaker 1: Can't wait to go back to I can't wait to
Speaker 1: go to places we've never been before for shows I
Speaker 1: have such I'm like, God, damn it, we're gonna go
Speaker 1: to Austin. I swear on my We've still never been
Speaker 1: to Chicago to do a live show, which is I
Speaker 1: was like, well, we've been at but yeah, we're still
Speaker 1: going to do Chicago in Chicago, right, But since that's
Speaker 1: not an option at the moment um, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I feel like Letterbox and then also, uh, and I
Speaker 1: don't have enough insight, but I know that there are
Speaker 1: discords that are focused on film, and it's a matter
Speaker 1: of finding kind of the right one for you. I
Speaker 1: was gonna ask, I was like, what is discord? Is
Speaker 1: that a we're old? I just I just started a
Speaker 1: discord for Lolita podcast Subtle Plug, and it has been
Speaker 1: so lovely so far. It's been. Yeah, it's like a
Speaker 1: site where you can like, oh my god, everyone who
Speaker 1: uses discords are rolling their eyes. They're like, who are
Speaker 1: these old women? Um? But you start little different channels
Speaker 1: where you're like, oh, here's the area where we talk
Speaker 1: about the adaptations, here's the area where we talk about
Speaker 1: the book. Here's an area where we can just talk
Speaker 1: about anything and hang out and chat. And if that
Speaker 1: sounds so useful, that yeah. And it's like the community
Speaker 1: can kind of self regulate. You have, like you get
Speaker 1: a couple of mods in the mix. And it's been
Speaker 1: a very lovely conversation so far. So as of this recording,
Speaker 1: I'm like, discord rocks cool. Yeah, let's um. I wonder
Speaker 1: if there's already some kind of like pectel cast or
Speaker 1: like just feminist film discourse discord out there. Oh, that'd
Speaker 1: be fun. I would prefer discord to Reddit a million percent.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Reddit, I can't look at the interface of Reddit.
Speaker 1: It gives me a panic attack. I'm just scared. I'm
Speaker 1: just scared. I just I have PTSD with read it
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't want to be on this side.
Speaker 1: Get me out of here. But the betel cast read
Speaker 1: it is lovely. Oh, I can't look at it. I'm afraid,
Speaker 1: just like I can't look at the reviews. But m yeah,
Speaker 1: for any listeners who maybe already like facilitate or moderate
Speaker 1: some kind of or if you're interested in starting up
Speaker 1: one of your own, if there's any sort of group
Speaker 1: out there that is living on the Internet that you'd
Speaker 1: like to share, let us know. Yeah, we'd have We'd
Speaker 1: be happy to spread the word for listeners like Donna
Speaker 1: who are looking for a place to chat. So hell yeah,
Speaker 1: let us know. Wow that I think that that started
Speaker 1: as as being like letterbox seemed cool and ends up
Speaker 1: being like we're going to start a discord. Uh So
Speaker 1: stay tuned. Yes, um. Our next question comes from Courtney.
Speaker 1: The question is when watching non bectel Cast movies, do
Speaker 1: you have a hard time turning off the podcast lens? Oh?
Speaker 1: For me, I honestly, and this might sound weird, but
Speaker 1: I still oftentimes kind of have to actively deliberately switch
Speaker 1: the Bechtel Cast lens on to watch a movie that
Speaker 1: I know that we're not covering for the podcast, so
Speaker 1: I don't even and and and it just might be
Speaker 1: like years of programming of never watching anything through like
Speaker 1: a feminist critical lens before, I still kind of have
Speaker 1: to and definitely like I default to a feminist lens
Speaker 1: more now than I did prior to start starting the podcast.
Speaker 1: But sometimes I'm just like, I just want to watch
Speaker 1: and enjoy a movie without without having to tear it
Speaker 1: to pieces in my brains. So so I like, yeah,
Speaker 1: part of it is watching a movie through the Bechtel
Speaker 1: Cast lens feels kind of like work, since doing this
Speaker 1: podcast is a job of ours, and believe it or not,
Speaker 1: sometimes I don't want to work, So I would say
Speaker 1: I don't have that heart of a time switching it.
Speaker 1: What about you, Jamie, how do you um? I feel
Speaker 1: like I it kind of depends for me, it does.
Speaker 1: I mean, there are certain movies that I sort of
Speaker 1: can when I can foresee that I'm not going to
Speaker 1: really like the movie anyways. I think that I can
Speaker 1: be borderline impossible to watch a movie with because I'm like,
Speaker 1: what the fund is? That? What the fund is? That?
Speaker 1: That's that? That's like I think that when I when
Speaker 1: I go in, I don't know, it's hard for my
Speaker 1: partner to watch movies with me because he's just like, hey,
Speaker 1: I wanted to watch this, and I'm like, well, why
Speaker 1: is that like? So it depends if it's unfortunately, I
Speaker 1: think it if I'm rooting for the movie going in
Speaker 1: and like this movie is going to be good, but
Speaker 1: I don't know it. It has been harder for me
Speaker 1: to shut it off, even with movies that I'm like
Speaker 1: wanting to enjoy. Uh, you know it's blessing and a curse.
Speaker 1: And then I think it's sometimes where it's like it's
Speaker 1: harder for me to turn it on for movies that
Speaker 1: I have nostalgia for than movies that I'm watching for
Speaker 1: the first time. So even when it's like a movie
Speaker 1: that I like, um or I'm like hoping that I like,
Speaker 1: I feel like I kind of go in with a
Speaker 1: default back to cast lens. But it's I I struggle
Speaker 1: more in like the reverse sense of like watching an
Speaker 1: all D com and being like, no, that has to
Speaker 1: be feminist. How can I reverse engineer my brain to
Speaker 1: make it, make it sether like no, JB. It just doesn't. Um.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I guess I have like a different new movies.
Speaker 1: I feel like I kind of go in with the
Speaker 1: lens almost almost automatically with some exceptions. But yeah, revisiting
Speaker 1: old movies it's challenge. Thank you Courtney for that question.
Speaker 1: Let's take another break and then we will come back
Speaker 1: and answer some more questions and we're back. Our next
Speaker 1: question comes from Lucy, who asks how do you choose
Speaker 1: with films to cover and has this process changed over
Speaker 1: the years as you've covered a lot. This is a
Speaker 1: great question. I think it has changed a little bit
Speaker 1: over the years we started, but I mean it's still
Speaker 1: a combination of a lot of things. There's a real
Speaker 1: there's a real four D game of chess we're playing
Speaker 1: when we choose movies. At times and then other times
Speaker 1: we're like flubber um, But what do you mean? We
Speaker 1: very carefully and meticulously put a lot of work. That
Speaker 1: was a very long math equation. It was a flubber
Speaker 1: like equation that we the formula to flubber led us
Speaker 1: to realizing we needed to cover flubber. We should have
Speaker 1: done this years ago. Um, But I feel like there's
Speaker 1: the factors we consider when choosing a movie is, first
Speaker 1: of all, what's most important is that it's a movie
Speaker 1: that our guest wants to talk about. Second of all, um,
Speaker 1: it's something that there's and we break this real pretty consistently.
Speaker 1: But but is it a movie that there's some listener interested?
Speaker 1: Because we we have Google doc we have for years
Speaker 1: where listeners can make requests for movies, so we, uh,
Speaker 1: we have a list of like, here are most popular
Speaker 1: requests of movies we haven't covered yet, and we'll go
Speaker 1: back to that pretty frequently when we're giving our guests
Speaker 1: like suggestions for potential movies. But the third factor that
Speaker 1: we has has always been true but has not been
Speaker 1: true enough, which kind of goes back to our conversation
Speaker 1: about um our discussion on how white our movie list
Speaker 1: has been in June, is do we really like is
Speaker 1: it absolutely if it's a white movie like or a
Speaker 1: white directed movie, is it really necessary? Like? So now
Speaker 1: it's also like, are we covering enough movies that are
Speaker 1: not directed by white guys? Yeah? And that's kind of
Speaker 1: where the change has coming because a lot of the
Speaker 1: movies we've covered historically have been since had white male
Speaker 1: dominated movies either who's making them or who are like
Speaker 1: the character the leading characters. And that is because we
Speaker 1: were kind of focusing on movies that have had a
Speaker 1: huge cultural impact on people, individuals, culture at large, and
Speaker 1: that have like just influenced a lot of just kind
Speaker 1: of like film discourse for for a long time. And
Speaker 1: I think there is value in covering those movies, and
Speaker 1: I'm glad we did cover a lot of them, just
Speaker 1: because like there are so many of those movies that
Speaker 1: like did really affect people in negative ways and like
Speaker 1: and that I've had to unlearn stuff that they've learned
Speaker 1: from that media that they've consumed. So while I don't
Speaker 1: regret covering some of those movies, I do regret not
Speaker 1: placing enough focus on other types of movies. And that's
Speaker 1: where we've we're switching gears a bit, where we we
Speaker 1: are prioritizing more directors of color, more queer director's, more
Speaker 1: director short women to broaden our scope and like pay
Speaker 1: tribute to a lot of those movies because a lot
Speaker 1: of them are really cool and really good and and
Speaker 1: they're lesser known, very underrated. Exactly, they're underrated they're lesser known,
Speaker 1: so we're hoping to buy covering them encourage people. A
Speaker 1: great example is when we literally just covered rhymes for
Speaker 1: young Girls. I would hazard a guess that most people
Speaker 1: have never even heard of that movie, let alone seen it.
Speaker 1: But it's a really, really good movie. It's a really important,
Speaker 1: a really powerful movie that I implore everyone to watch
Speaker 1: and to listen to that episode because it's just a
Speaker 1: very important movie that uh needs to be seen. So yeah,
Speaker 1: so that I mean that. Yeah. That also speaks to
Speaker 1: kind of how our show has evolved, where originally we
Speaker 1: were like, oh, we're covering popular movies of the past,
Speaker 1: but that inherently aligned itself with covering mostly sis at
Speaker 1: white male movies because is who has been making movies
Speaker 1: on a large scale. And it does kind of get
Speaker 1: a little mired sometimes because if you look at our
Speaker 1: request list, a lot of the movies that are right
Speaker 1: at the top are movies directed by sis at white guys. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the process is definitely changed, and we're just I mean,
Speaker 1: our and our priorities as a show have changed. Um,
Speaker 1: so we want to always be servicing our listeners, but
Speaker 1: we're no longer just the show that dunks on movies
Speaker 1: you've seen before. We also want to direct you too,
Speaker 1: movies and two guests into you know, work that you
Speaker 1: haven't seen but should and deserve a bigger platform, bigger budgets,
Speaker 1: all that stuff. So thanks for your question, Lucy. Next
Speaker 1: question comes from Madeline says, some of my favorite queer
Speaker 1: storylines have been called queer baiting, Black Swan and Jennifer's Body.
Speaker 1: I would argue aren't, but for sure, cruel intentions is
Speaker 1: the thing is these movies are how I realized I'm queer.
Speaker 1: Don't you think queer bathing can be good? So I
Speaker 1: guess I'm of many minds about this completely, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think completely valid and also not even uncommon that
Speaker 1: queer baiting scenes are kind of formative experiences. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've I think we've heard about the cruel intentions seen
Speaker 1: specifically excited a lot. I mean, and I also like
Speaker 1: have personal experience too of like, yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: queer baiting is harmful in a lot of ways in
Speaker 1: that and we've talked about this in many episodes where
Speaker 1: it perpetuates that you know, queerness is a phase or
Speaker 1: it's a shock tactic. You know, all this stuff we've
Speaker 1: kind of talked about that said, you know it for
Speaker 1: a very very very long time and still now, sometimes
Speaker 1: that was the only way that you would see, you know,
Speaker 1: two women on screen kissing was like it was that.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, you know, it's like I don't
Speaker 1: know how. I mean, whatever, we we we'd all figure
Speaker 1: it out one way or another. But I think that
Speaker 1: there are like certain queerbating scenes that come to mind
Speaker 1: of like, oh that was something that you were like, oh,
Speaker 1: what's what's what's going on over there? And those experiences
Speaker 1: are obviously super valid and like a lot of us
Speaker 1: have had them, but I think it speaks more to
Speaker 1: like the fact that most of these scenes are directed
Speaker 1: by straight white guys who are framing it in a
Speaker 1: disingenuous way. So it's like, I don't know, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's definitely not bad that we've all you know, responded
Speaker 1: to it and that it but I just think that there's, um,
Speaker 1: there are demonstrably better ways. Yeah, for a very long time,
Speaker 1: the only presentation you would see of queerness or like
Speaker 1: by curiosity or something like that would be in queer
Speaker 1: baiting scenes. And like the person who posts this question says,
Speaker 1: scenes like this are how a lot of people discovered
Speaker 1: they are queer, So definitely validity to that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: like like you said, Jamie, it would it would be
Speaker 1: nice if there had been other options for young queer
Speaker 1: people to see that we're like less baity and more
Speaker 1: just straightforward or more like like like baby more great,
Speaker 1: more grady, And yeah, it couldn't have said it better
Speaker 1: myself less baby more grady. Uh. And I think that
Speaker 1: that is again slow progress that's um starting to be
Speaker 1: made now, although where I think a lot of it
Speaker 1: is lacking looking at you, Disney also pay your fucking tag,
Speaker 1: is is in media that is like directed at kids
Speaker 1: like kids. It's I think that some areas are, but
Speaker 1: like Disney is still suppressing queer characters in a way
Speaker 1: that you're like, this is just a youth thing. At
Speaker 1: this point, it no longer even makes fucking financial sense
Speaker 1: to do this, like get over yourself and you know
Speaker 1: it's it's the year. We shouldn't need to have to
Speaker 1: go to queer baiting scenes. Um at this point, I
Speaker 1: don't think there's really in much of an excuse for
Speaker 1: them to still be happening. But that doesn't get rid
Speaker 1: of you know, the experience, the very valid experiences people
Speaker 1: had with queer baiting scenes of the past. I almost like,
Speaker 1: is there I've I know that there's a number of
Speaker 1: video essays on YouTube about the history of queer baiting. Um,
Speaker 1: but I think that, yeah, just like having more queer
Speaker 1: characters who it's like, it just is what it is,
Speaker 1: and having that presented from an early age, it just
Speaker 1: you know, the normalizing effect that pop culture has. It's
Speaker 1: good ship if you use it for good. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I I felt, you know,
Speaker 1: the Black Swan scene. You know, it's just you know,
Speaker 1: a lot I do. I do love a good kiss. Uh.
Speaker 1: I wonder too if if queer baiting will kind of
Speaker 1: be a thing of the past now that we have
Speaker 1: seen more normalization and acceptance and more out queer characters
Speaker 1: in a lot of media, especially media for young people.
Speaker 1: I mean, we were talking about Blockers earlier, which is
Speaker 1: an example off the top of my head of a
Speaker 1: pretty mainstream book Smart that featured a queer teen book Smart.
Speaker 1: Lots of TV TV directed towards teens that features queer characters.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm wondering if that's kind of a thing
Speaker 1: of the past, and again it's it is like a
Speaker 1: part of rectifying that issue is, you know, have having
Speaker 1: more queer directors and people behind the scenes and writers
Speaker 1: in the mix as well. So yeah, hopefully, hopefully we
Speaker 1: sort of answered that question. Thank you for sending it metal, Yes,
Speaker 1: thank you. Next question is from Emily, who asks I'm
Speaker 1: curious about what value, if any, you see in analyzing
Speaker 1: films for not passing the reverse spectral test a k
Speaker 1: A films where no two named men speak to each
Speaker 1: other about anything other than a woman. I'm always delighted
Speaker 1: to realize the film doesn't pass this non existent test
Speaker 1: a k. Bridesmaids, and it seems like such films are
Speaker 1: few and far between. Interesting question. Thank you for sending it. Yes,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's definitely interesting to discuss it. Just
Speaker 1: like almost happens so infrequently that it's like, yeah, let's
Speaker 1: talk about this where they at Yeah, I mean, it
Speaker 1: mostly happens in movies with predominantly female casts, so like Bridesmaids,
Speaker 1: like was mentioned, and you know, while those movies aren't
Speaker 1: always perfect, they're often like they're usually ripe for the
Speaker 1: types of discussions that we have. And because so many
Speaker 1: movies I mean, he could rattle off hundreds of movies
Speaker 1: that are like a cast of nine percent men and
Speaker 1: one woman is in the entire cast, or maybe if
Speaker 1: you're lucky, there are two women on chances are they
Speaker 1: never are in the same scene together. So tons of
Speaker 1: movies are just all like, are predominantly male casts. But
Speaker 1: it's yeah, far rarer that you would see a movie
Speaker 1: that is mostly women. So yeah, I think there is
Speaker 1: value in shouting out a movie when it does, when
Speaker 1: it doesn't, when it doesn't pass the reverse bactal tests,
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of negatives in there, so I'm
Speaker 1: trying to make sure my brain understands this. But yeah,
Speaker 1: if if no men talk to each other in the movie,
Speaker 1: or if men do talk to each other but it's
Speaker 1: only about women, that means it does not pass the
Speaker 1: reverse Spectel test, was a good thing, or you know
Speaker 1: in theory, my head hurts. Uh yeah, no, I totally
Speaker 1: agree with you. And I also think that speaking to
Speaker 1: like even Emily's question that it's uh like you almost
Speaker 1: manifest it, you will it into existence. If we talk
Speaker 1: more about, well, what isn't this past the reverse Factil test.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's so you know, we we say it enough
Speaker 1: and I feel like this isn't entirely true, and it's not.
Speaker 1: It's probably being mean to us, But I'm like, we've
Speaker 1: spoken a few things into reality, but most of it
Speaker 1: was goofy. We're like, oh, we've spoken. Um. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a few things that were that set true. But
Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe if we and the grand we as
Speaker 1: well make more of a show of kind of pointing
Speaker 1: out like, Wow, isn't this amazing? This movie is so
Speaker 1: good and men didn't ever have a conversation. Uh, that
Speaker 1: might encourage you know, more of that. Who knows, I'm
Speaker 1: overestimating and underestimating our power all at once. Well, if
Speaker 1: we manifest it enough, we can will it into reality.
Speaker 1: And that's the secret. That's the secret. That's the secret. Alright,
Speaker 1: a few more questions. Yes, next one comes from Alicia asks,
Speaker 1: I love how you both have expanded the lens of
Speaker 1: the show to include more intersectionality with your more inclusive
Speaker 1: focus of today. Are there any films covered in earlier
Speaker 1: episodes that you would rate differently now, or perhaps aspects
Speaker 1: that you wish you'd brought up. Um, definitely, for sure.
Speaker 1: That's part of why we're redoing, like those four episodes
Speaker 1: that we mentioned earlier. UM. Almost every episode we do,
Speaker 1: people have been like, oh, I love this to discussion.
Speaker 1: Great episode of brag for us, I was like, where
Speaker 1: is this going, Colma, But you didn't bring up this
Speaker 1: or you forgot to mention this or something, you know,
Speaker 1: And it's sometimes it's just because we ran out of
Speaker 1: time and we couldn't cover everything. Sometimes it's because you know,
Speaker 1: we we didn't consider that, um, and we needed you
Speaker 1: the listeners, to educate us or to bring something up.
Speaker 1: A few examples off the top of my head, our
Speaker 1: Mulan episode, people were like, yeah, but you didn't talk
Speaker 1: about how the male love interest is a bicn you know,
Speaker 1: because he was attracted to Mulan while she was presenting
Speaker 1: as a man. Uh. You didn't talk about the queer
Speaker 1: coding of the villains and birds of prey. You didn't
Speaker 1: talk about you know, There's so many different things that
Speaker 1: we examples of, like things we missed or something. So
Speaker 1: definitely there are a lot of things I would go
Speaker 1: back and write differently, or things I wish we had
Speaker 1: uh mentioned or had thought of at the time. UM.
Speaker 1: But that again is why we we so much appreciate
Speaker 1: everyone's calm and contributions. Uh, and we encourage you to
Speaker 1: continue to send us those comments with those etcetera. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel uh, I feel similar. I I think that
Speaker 1: we also, like earlier in the show, especially with early episodes,
Speaker 1: we kind of we both knew a lot less than
Speaker 1: we do now, and I think we kind of fell
Speaker 1: into like the thing bad trap a lot where we
Speaker 1: would be like, this sucks from the lens of twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: and we did not do enough to contextualize like things
Speaker 1: that we are more mindful of now, like there is
Speaker 1: a way to contextualize why a movie presented as it
Speaker 1: did in a very problematic way and be critical of it.
Speaker 1: But I feel like we we didn't. I would say,
Speaker 1: even in our first year or so, we were not
Speaker 1: like heavy enough on the context and they're just uh
Speaker 1: not my favorite episodes for the reason. But I think,
Speaker 1: you know, there's so much I would do different, especially
Speaker 1: getting back into like but and and so even though
Speaker 1: I'm like cringing past us, I also am glad because
Speaker 1: that means, you know, it would be very weird if
Speaker 1: we were like no, our tags were perfect and I
Speaker 1: haven't learned a single thing since and I was correct. Um,
Speaker 1: so you know, if you don't look under your past, self,
Speaker 1: your past, trying self with without without a little cringe,
Speaker 1: you know, what's what's going on? What are you even doing?
Speaker 1: The past is cringe, the future is cringe. The present
Speaker 1: also cringe. The present is extremely cringe. Uh so, thank
Speaker 1: you for that question, Alicia. Next up, we have a
Speaker 1: question from Tessa. The question is are there any movies
Speaker 1: you really want to cover but just haven't done yet,
Speaker 1: either because they're not a priority or because the time
Speaker 1: hasn't felt right. Uh, yes, I've got some you got
Speaker 1: wait you have you have like some specifics? Yeah, hit it,
Speaker 1: hit it, hit it, hit it. Some of them are
Speaker 1: just because they're like childhood or like adolescent favorites of mine.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't even necessarily make that much sense to cover
Speaker 1: some of these because I don't know how interesting of
Speaker 1: a of a discussion they would generate. But um well,
Speaker 1: actually one of my favorite movies for a while was
Speaker 1: Since City, and I think it would be an interesting conversation,
Speaker 1: that would be an interesting there's there's some some ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's there's a conversation to be had. So maybe I'll
Speaker 1: do that on one of my um as one of
Speaker 1: my Matreon birthday picks next May. I also I kind
Speaker 1: of really want to do a Ninja Turtles movie because again,
Speaker 1: they were pretty big movies of my childhood. There's something
Speaker 1: I really want to do just because I've been requested
Speaker 1: a million times, and I do with him as a
Speaker 1: movie that we just haven't gotten around too yet. For example,
Speaker 1: Pitch Perfect is one of our top requests. Um, okay,
Speaker 1: I don't like, oh really, I enjoyed um. Pride and
Speaker 1: Prejudice is one of our top requests. The Cure Knightly
Speaker 1: I think two thous five one. Oh yeah, I was there.
Speaker 1: I was talking with my dad about that movie the
Speaker 1: other day because there was like my dad, I think
Speaker 1: my dad maybe noticed a trope in movies that's very specific,
Speaker 1: but he not to call him up. But he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: because my dad. I made my dad because the Pride
Speaker 1: and Prejudice this story is too long already, but it
Speaker 1: was like not shown at major theaters, but I really
Speaker 1: wanted to see it. So my dad like drove forty
Speaker 1: five minutes to go to this like indie theater and
Speaker 1: then watched it and was like, oh, this is really long,
Speaker 1: and he's right, but but he was we were talking. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's because we were talking about The Crown, and my
Speaker 1: dad was like, why are there often these like young
Speaker 1: British women in movies who were always like hiding behind
Speaker 1: something flirtatiously, which I actually think he's onto something there.
Speaker 1: There's a scene in Pride and Prejudice that he made
Speaker 1: fun of a lot when we went and I was like, stop,
Speaker 1: but like it's like Kia Knightley as Elizabeth Bennett, like
Speaker 1: hiding behind some ribbons and being like ha ha, like
Speaker 1: you know. And there's a very similar scene in the
Speaker 1: in the Crown where Princess Diana shows up for the
Speaker 1: first time and she's like t T I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: these young British actresses do be hiding behind things flirtatiously.
Speaker 1: What's that all about? What was the question? Again? I
Speaker 1: don't know, but Mike shout out to Michael Loftus for
Speaker 1: his uh poignant observations. That's my favorite useless movie trope
Speaker 1: since Leonardo DiCaprio fully closed wet. You're just like, I
Speaker 1: don't know if that says anything about our sure, but
Speaker 1: it definitely seems to be a thing. Well you know what. Okay, sorry,
Speaker 1: this is another another quick tangent, but you know how
Speaker 1: we were talking about the breakfast Rube Goldberg Machine trope
Speaker 1: in um a bunch of movies that we brought up
Speaker 1: on the Flubber episode. I thought of another one. There's
Speaker 1: so many. It's in the first Paddington movie. There is
Speaker 1: a marmalade making machine, the Goldberg Machine, and because Paddington
Speaker 1: eats marmalade for breakfast, it counts as a breakfast machine.
Speaker 1: It's true. It's true something that some things that I've
Speaker 1: wanted to There's like other childhood favorites that I would
Speaker 1: like to cover down the line, but it's like they're
Speaker 1: just not the highest priority things I would generally like
Speaker 1: to do more or like to like I don't know,
Speaker 1: we don't really do themes on the main feed. But
Speaker 1: I love musical movies, so I would love to do
Speaker 1: and we haven't really done that many that aren't like
Speaker 1: Disney Movie. Sure, So I love musicals. And I also
Speaker 1: think doing more international movies, which we've been which we've
Speaker 1: been doing more recently. And then I would also love
Speaker 1: to do like a little just a block of old
Speaker 1: Hollywood movies. We've really only done that once or twice
Speaker 1: with movies that are older than like forty years old. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just like getting into like very influential old Hollywood movies.
Speaker 1: I think would be fun. Yeah. Also, we desperately need
Speaker 1: to do two separate episodes on Magic Mike and Oh
Speaker 1: Magic Mike double Hustlers. Hustlers, that's like one of my
Speaker 1: top picks that like it. Just it's truly like the
Speaker 1: timing just has it. It's been a timing issue. Um,
Speaker 1: but Hustlers, it's going to happen. Magic Mike, It's going
Speaker 1: to happen. It's just really the question is when, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then and then of course anything that Alpha Billina
Speaker 1: wants to cover when he comes back. Yeah, absolutely, and
Speaker 1: the Holidate No, I'm kidding, let's for time. We didn't
Speaker 1: see that, but although I so so to round out
Speaker 1: our question segment, thank you to everyone on the Matreon
Speaker 1: who sent questions, and if you'd like to join the Matreon,
Speaker 1: it's a great month to do so, because we are
Speaker 1: doing our annual Terrible Holiday Movies block, including the three
Speaker 1: Vanessa Hudgens, Princess Switch, Princess Switch Switched Again, I think
Speaker 1: is what it's called but really it's called three Vanessa
Speaker 1: hudgens Is. It's pretty much called three Vanessa hudgens Is.
Speaker 1: And then we're also doing Christmas Prints too, because we've
Speaker 1: already covered one and three, and we are releasing Christmas
Speaker 1: Prints one as a main feed episode to give ourselves
Speaker 1: a little holiday break and just sharing the Christmas cheer
Speaker 1: that is Christmas Prince. Yes, um, there you're welcome once again.
Speaker 1: I mean, Christmas Prince genuinely is is requested? Oh yeah, often,
Speaker 1: we did that, you know, because the masses insisted it's true.
Speaker 1: So that's what's going on over in the Matreon. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: So that was. We have a few more questions, but
Speaker 1: they're kind of more like fun silly questions, and we
Speaker 1: thought we'd close out on Before we do that, we
Speaker 1: had a few very just like very nice comments that
Speaker 1: we wanted to share. We just wanted to share a
Speaker 1: bunch of compliments. Are our listeners being nice to us
Speaker 1: and and telling us that we we rock rule and rule? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we're we're spreading joy, is what we're doing.
Speaker 1: And or we're it's spreading joy fending off dread, you know,
Speaker 1: like it's really all the same act ativity these days.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we wented to laser in and a couple
Speaker 1: of comments we received to celebrate because we cannot physically
Speaker 1: see each other. So this first comment comes from Patty.
Speaker 1: They say, I saw Boss Houmas Girl on an incredibly
Speaker 1: rainy evening in Edinburgh last year and it was by
Speaker 1: far the funniest and most interesting performance of the festival
Speaker 1: for me. Oh Jamie Ye, one of the allies. Jamie
Speaker 1: got on stage, which is a bit you do in
Speaker 1: the show, was so bumbling that he almost made her
Speaker 1: break character several times. It was absolutely glorious and I
Speaker 1: hope she remembers it as fondly as I do. Uh
Speaker 1: that sounds like that so nice that I think I
Speaker 1: do remember the experienced Patty is discussing because there were
Speaker 1: like sub so it's the context for this is I did.
Speaker 1: I did a show last year at Edinburgh Fringe Festival
Speaker 1: where I played uh earld Boss Elizabeth Holmes character who
Speaker 1: just was like bad faith feminism. Uh. The show was
Speaker 1: basically what it was, and I would bring people up
Speaker 1: on stage and I would make I would make them
Speaker 1: name women and then they could never do it. I
Speaker 1: would always bring like men on stage. It's it's one
Speaker 1: of my favorite bits from your show. Yes, it's always
Speaker 1: so funny. I think I do remember this night specifically
Speaker 1: because it was like nights that were rainy were really
Speaker 1: hard because it would be harder to get people to
Speaker 1: come to the show, and that I was performing in
Speaker 1: a shipping container, so it would smell really bad when
Speaker 1: wet people came inside. So I my I have a
Speaker 1: very sensory memory of this night and that I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's that's so lovely. I miss being able to meet
Speaker 1: people and do things and be in stinky shipping containers. Friends.
Speaker 1: Thank you for that, Patty. That was very um that
Speaker 1: made my day. We also have a really kind comment
Speaker 1: from Alicia, who says the two of you inspired me
Speaker 1: to start writing about film again, which I'm so grateful for.
Speaker 1: Somebody actually now pays me hell yeah to to write
Speaker 1: reviews focusing on diversity, and I wouldn't have known that
Speaker 1: that was something you could do, let alone, something I
Speaker 1: could do if not for the podcast. Thank you for
Speaker 1: that shout out, Alicia. Holy sh it, that's that's for us.
Speaker 1: That's like the most gratified feedback we could get. That's like,
Speaker 1: that's the idea and yeah, that's amazing. Congrats, listeners are
Speaker 1: so cool. That's amazing. It also send us your work.
Speaker 1: We want to we want to plug it. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: to to I guess to all of our listeners, we
Speaker 1: say versions of this pretty frequently. But if you are
Speaker 1: seeing like there's a perspective you have that is not
Speaker 1: being discussed, like, go for it, like and let us
Speaker 1: know what we can do to help kind of get
Speaker 1: the word out, because it does. I mean, it makes
Speaker 1: a sucking difference. And so shout out Alicia. That's so cool. Indeed,
Speaker 1: and this last comment that we wanted to share comes
Speaker 1: from Maddie says, I just want to say thank you
Speaker 1: so much for this podcast. I was a socially anxious
Speaker 1: kid with big feelings whose only hobby was watching movies.
Speaker 1: I've realized how dangerous stereotypes and movies are and how
Speaker 1: I have romanticized toxic behaviors in my relationships because of it.
Speaker 1: Grand gestures that somehow equate to forgiveness slash stalker behavior
Speaker 1: slash boys will be boys mentality, slash intense fights then
Speaker 1: always making up, slash unnecessary sacrifices slash surprise kisses, etcetera.
Speaker 1: I've been uh, I've been able to re analyze what
Speaker 1: I really want and what is healthy for me and others.
Speaker 1: A big part of that is because of this podcast.
Speaker 1: Thank you, yay, thank you, thank you for sharing that.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean just so glad that you've been
Speaker 1: able to unlearn the toxic crap that movies teach us
Speaker 1: that many of us are trying to unlearn and we
Speaker 1: still are like, it's just uh, yeah, this comment was
Speaker 1: really cool. Like what we keep trying to talk about
Speaker 1: is like, what is really helpful and unlearning stuff is
Speaker 1: like like, once you recognize, oh, this is a toxic
Speaker 1: thing I need to unlearn, just start the work, don't wallow.
Speaker 1: And you're like I can't believe. How could it be.
Speaker 1: You're like, well it is, so let's do something about it.
Speaker 1: And that sounds like the approach Maddie is taking. And
Speaker 1: ah nice, so cool, so much. Yeah, and then just
Speaker 1: a few fun questions to close us out. So the
Speaker 1: first one comes from someone who wanted to be identified
Speaker 1: as Freddie Molina fan number one. So, Jamie, I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if you'll have a response to that. I love this. Okay,
Speaker 1: what's something non movie related that you're passionate about. Oh,
Speaker 1: something that I've I've become very passionate about. Um In
Speaker 1: the past year and a halfish has been a local
Speaker 1: politics via a friend of the show, Nitia Rahman. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's like when I'm not when when I'm not poding
Speaker 1: and goofing around. Yeah, I've gotten really like excited by
Speaker 1: communities that are like in in l A. It's especially big,
Speaker 1: I think. But yeah, learning about kind of my community,
Speaker 1: what direct action stuff is possible to do, and just
Speaker 1: like I guess most specifically like local journalism and how
Speaker 1: important it is and how much there is to do,
Speaker 1: and like what a cool community it is. I like
Speaker 1: local journalism. Hell yeah, borring answer, No, I love it.
Speaker 1: Something that I've always been passionate about, the I think
Speaker 1: is a little known fact about me, is that I
Speaker 1: love anthropology. I almost minored in it. In fact, I
Speaker 1: almost majored in it in college before I really knew
Speaker 1: what I wanted to do. So I had just kind
Speaker 1: of contemplated making that my career for a while, but
Speaker 1: ultimately was like, oh, I don't want to get a PhD,
Speaker 1: so never mind. But um, I only wanted to get
Speaker 1: a master's in screenwriting. Obviously, and honey, you did and
Speaker 1: I did it. But I love anthropology. I love reading
Speaker 1: books about anthropology. I love um just kind of like
Speaker 1: human evolution in general, and the way human psychology has evolved,
Speaker 1: human sexuality has evolved or has kind of dictated our
Speaker 1: human evolution, and just like all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: I've always been fascinated about that. So, if anyone has
Speaker 1: any recommendations for anthropology books, I've probably I've read a
Speaker 1: fair number, but I'm always on the lookout for more,
Speaker 1: So hit me up with your Rex. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: love anthropology. So and if anyone, if anyone knows about
Speaker 1: corruption in the v A in West Los Angeles, hit
Speaker 1: me up Jamie. Our next fun question comes from Becky.
Speaker 1: It goes a little something like this. Hey, Caitlin and Jamie,
Speaker 1: you've been my running buddies for years. I love the show.
Speaker 1: You're both from the East Coast, but now in l A.
Speaker 1: How is that transition for you? Do you miss certain
Speaker 1: aspects of the East? Come visit Pittsburgh when it's safe please? Uh? Okay,
Speaker 1: we will, yes, fine, And yeah I miss I miss
Speaker 1: the East Coast a lot all the time. H Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I do like living in l A. But
Speaker 1: I do miss I do miss the East Coast. I
Speaker 1: miss Massachusetts so much all the time. I missed public
Speaker 1: transportation as being a more accessible and easy thing to
Speaker 1: do than it is in l A. I miss living
Speaker 1: in a walkable city. I miss bike riding around. I
Speaker 1: used to ride my bike to get everywhere when I
Speaker 1: lived in Boston, and now I'm just scared to ride
Speaker 1: my bike anywhere in l As. Oh god, yeah, I
Speaker 1: miss the Fall. I miss my family. I miss yeah,
Speaker 1: just like yeah, there's there's a lot that I miss.
Speaker 1: I also just I don't know Massachusetts could be so
Speaker 1: fucked up. But then sometimes just I don't not to
Speaker 1: go back to local journalism, but sometimes the hyper specific
Speaker 1: stories you can find in New England truly could happen
Speaker 1: nowhere else and shouldn't happen anywhere else. And by that
Speaker 1: I mean something everyone should go watch is uh YouTube video.
Speaker 1: It's called Down the Rabbit Hole the per Cat Cafe.
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to talk about love Boocardi Boston.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm also talking about love boocarti Boston,
Speaker 1: because is where else can you make that film? Don't
Speaker 1: even try the worst student film of all time. You
Speaker 1: gotta watch it. But I also wanted to reference Yeah,
Speaker 1: YouTube user Frederick Knudson. He doesn't really need are plugging.
Speaker 1: He's a very popular YouTuber, but he makes this um
Speaker 1: series called Down the rabbit Hole where he just will
Speaker 1: like rehash a scandal that is very specific and very online.
Speaker 1: And there's one that took place in Boston called the
Speaker 1: per Cat Cafe, where it was a New England mom
Speaker 1: trying to start a cat cafe and she does a
Speaker 1: really bad job and she gets so mad because she's
Speaker 1: from New England. Uh, she just starts cyber bullying people.
Speaker 1: It's the wildest story and it just maybe so homesick
Speaker 1: because you're like that, what it could only happen with
Speaker 1: that kind of angry mom that they make in those
Speaker 1: in that region. I miss it, okay. Next question. Next
Speaker 1: question comes from Carly asks what would you call an
Speaker 1: all female remake of the movie Flubber flub Her, Fember, Fember.
Speaker 1: I don't think, maybe not fember. So just to be clear,
Speaker 1: those were the two pitches that Carly shout it out,
Speaker 1: and also I let yeah, I do love flub her
Speaker 1: serious answer, it should just be flubber like they it
Speaker 1: should just be called flubber and then woman is the
Speaker 1: lead this time. But in terms of what I think
Speaker 1: they might name it, flub her is great. What about
Speaker 1: this is a non gendered way to do it. I
Speaker 1: flubber right from the perspective of the flubberer. So so
Speaker 1: that would would that mean that um like maybe a
Speaker 1: spooky Halloween version of flubber would be I Flubber flubber Stein,
Speaker 1: like I I Flubberstein would definitely neally, I think work
Speaker 1: we should get the I Frankenstein team. We also got
Speaker 1: a message from a listener the other day that was like,
Speaker 1: I'm so high, I'm under my Christmas tree and I'm
Speaker 1: watching I Frankistan and I've never felt so at peace.
Speaker 1: And I was like, now this is the impact we've
Speaker 1: been going for. I. You know what, I don't care
Speaker 1: what they call it. I just I And I'm sick
Speaker 1: of I'm sick to death of rebooting old properties. Just
Speaker 1: I mean whatever we talk about all the time. Just
Speaker 1: let marginalize people make the movie they want to make.
Speaker 1: Don't make them remake a movie that was made bad
Speaker 1: the first time. What the fun? However, with flabber I
Speaker 1: take an exception. We do need a reboot of Flabber?
Speaker 1: We need we need it, we need it. Yes. Next
Speaker 1: question comes from Maria. Do you believe in astrology? Because y'all,
Speaker 1: being a Taurus and a Leo is t Sorry for
Speaker 1: the lack of intellectualism, but it really must be addressed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I believe in astrology? How dare you? Yeah? Of course,
Speaker 1: what kind of question is that? Of course they do?
Speaker 1: I uh don't. I don't. I don't really even know
Speaker 1: what astrology is. I don't know how it works. I'm
Speaker 1: sure if this is where everyone's sitting at home being
Speaker 1: like taurists. Okay, yeah, I'm too stubborn to believe in
Speaker 1: something like astrology. Um I I well, I okay, I
Speaker 1: did buy some crystals. You did that astrology? That's not astrology,
Speaker 1: but that's definitely you know, in the astrology extended universe,
Speaker 1: it's yeah, astrology adjacent. Um yeah, I don't participate, but
Speaker 1: I like when other people tell me, they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're such a Taurists. Therefore x y Z nice to
Speaker 1: feel seen. Yeah, I'm going to be a Leo and
Speaker 1: just like read out my chart. Okay, so Leo's son,
Speaker 1: which you know I was port August eighteenth, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I feel cuspy. But whatever airy is moon Pisces rising? Okay,
Speaker 1: astrology heads tell me something I don't know because I
Speaker 1: know I know a medium amount. I know, like not
Speaker 1: a ton. Say, I don't know what any of that means,
Speaker 1: but I have to pull up my costar app to
Speaker 1: give that information. There you go, Maria, please advise what
Speaker 1: does happen? Two more things, starting with question from Lindsay asks,
Speaker 1: if you were to focus on the films of Alfred
Speaker 1: Molina four a month, would you call it Molina March
Speaker 1: or Alfred May Lena Funny? Okay, first of all funny.
Speaker 1: Second of all, we would call it Molina March, but
Speaker 1: it would fall in September. That's the only way to
Speaker 1: do it. That's my favorite, maybe one of my favorite
Speaker 1: running jokes we have is how we just everything in
Speaker 1: the matrion has just insert something March, but it's never
Speaker 1: in March. It's in our port in the year. It's complicated,
Speaker 1: but but if you really if you put all the
Speaker 1: strings together on the on the corkboard, it does make sense.
Speaker 1: And then finally, Caitlin, this one, this one's for you.
Speaker 1: It comes from Chris Caitlin, have you heard of these
Speaker 1: anagrams of your name? I trend nautical. I have not
Speaker 1: heard that one Kurt italian end, not that one specifically,
Speaker 1: but I have one similar that has Italian in it,
Speaker 1: and instead of Kurt, it's a much more unpleasant word
Speaker 1: if you change out one. Oh yeah, it's rude Italian bleep. Okay,
Speaker 1: here's the next one, A tinder lunatic. That one, Yes,
Speaker 1: that one was one of the very first ones that
Speaker 1: Zack Sherwin um made from me. So that one does,
Speaker 1: and that you might have even did an illustration for it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I illustrated that. Yeah, because Zack and I
Speaker 1: went sack and I famously collapsed on your birthday present.
Speaker 1: And then finally, this one is gross tinier anal duct
Speaker 1: I have not I wish I hadn't heard yet one,
Speaker 1: but that one's my favorite one of these and of
Speaker 1: maybe all time. That made me feel um unwell, I
Speaker 1: feel great, I feel honestly, I'm like, wow, I haven't
Speaker 1: eaten yet today, and it's honestly it's good. It's tinier.
Speaker 1: I'm like tiny because it implies it was already tiny
Speaker 1: and that there's maybe there's a tiny one, and then
Speaker 1: there's the tiniest one. But this is the ace and
Speaker 1: you're just like, it has to get smaller. I don't.
Speaker 1: It's so nasty. Okay, thank you for that, Chris. On
Speaker 1: that note, Happy for your anniversary, Caitlin. Happy four years, Jamie,
Speaker 1: I are more years. I loved doing this show with you.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to do much more. I love you
Speaker 1: and you're the best. I love you, and yeah, this,
Speaker 1: Uh what a joy, What a joy it's it is.
Speaker 1: Ed continues to be truly, I swear, it's like so
Speaker 1: nice to like I don't know, you know, sometimes this
Speaker 1: is like I'm not talking about anybody we know, but
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes when you listen to a podcast, you're like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to think these two people like each
Speaker 1: other very much. I just I'm so grateful for your
Speaker 1: friendship and this show brought us together. Look at us,
Speaker 1: look at us go and look at us grows here
Speaker 1: in heaven. Uh well that was our four year anniversary
Speaker 1: celebration Heaven where Rose doesn't go At the end of Titanic,
Speaker 1: what if at the very end I tried to That's
Speaker 1: what if I try to pick a fight at the
Speaker 1: very end. But yeah, they were like, actually the show's canceled.
Speaker 1: So everyone, Uh, this is how we're kicking off December.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be doing a lot of fun holiday movies.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be doing another Grace Thomas Santa Claus episode.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be doing an episode on this Christmas. We're
Speaker 1: gonna be doing what else? Are we doing an episode
Speaker 1: on New Year's Eve? You know? There's just there's and
Speaker 1: then over in the Matreon. However many Vanessa Hudgens as
Speaker 1: we can bear, so thanks for listening. You can find
Speaker 1: us in all the regular places Twitter, Instagram, We've we've
Speaker 1: you know, you know what the Matreon is at this point,
Speaker 1: and there's ongoing sales if you want to get back
Speaker 1: tel Cast merch for you or your loved ones this
Speaker 1: holiday season. Feeling to do so over at te public
Speaker 1: dot com slash the beactel Cast, right, that's the one.
Speaker 1: You think I would know that by now U And
Speaker 1: there's face masks, which is cool. I I just actually
Speaker 1: I need to order Bactel Cast face masks because because why,
Speaker 1: I feel like a poser on our own show. I'm
Speaker 1: literally I'm look what I'm like fidgeting with right now?
Speaker 1: I'm literally fidgeting with my Alfred Bollina action figure. I
Speaker 1: keep him at my work desk. He calms me down. Good, oh,
Speaker 1: good wit. And I was just gonna ask you, Okay,
Speaker 1: have you told this story or do the listeners know
Speaker 1: about this? Okay, because we need to Okay, we said
Speaker 1: the episode was over, but it actually there's more where
Speaker 1: I think maybe we talked about the Matreon but not.
Speaker 1: This needs to be as public as possible and everyone
Speaker 1: to have access to this. Um Okay, so it was.
Speaker 1: I've been trying to figure out which listener originally sent
Speaker 1: this to us, but essentially, we did a Matrian episode
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago at this point where we
Speaker 1: watched all of the Grinches. We just like drank all
Speaker 1: day and a potatoes and watched every Grinch and you know,
Speaker 1: just talked a lot of ship and I love Baby Grinch.
Speaker 1: We've had Baby Grinch merch for years. You can get it.
Speaker 1: This is a plug, right, But a listener sent us
Speaker 1: a link to something just simply called Green baby Boy,
Speaker 1: and it was a kind of like the shop looked
Speaker 1: like like I can't it a little mean online shop.
Speaker 1: Something's not quite right because what it said it was selling.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it was a production still of the
Speaker 1: animatronic for Baby Grinch. It looked very top quality. The
Speaker 1: product that the site said they were selling looked as
Speaker 1: though it came straight off the movie set. It looks
Speaker 1: like it would have couldn't be right because it was
Speaker 1: only thirty dollars and it looked like it should have
Speaker 1: cost like three hundred dollars if it was what it said.
Speaker 1: So but so so Calin and I were back and
Speaker 1: forth of like, where's the line, Where's the line? And
Speaker 1: then I was like, I had to I have I
Speaker 1: spoke to God about it and and she said she
Speaker 1: She said to me, Jamie, I think this is a business.
Speaker 1: You can list us as a business investment on your taxes.
Speaker 1: And I said, oh, yeah, okay, I guess I'll do it.
Speaker 1: And I ordered it and there was no tracking number.
Speaker 1: There was impossible to know if Green baby Boy was
Speaker 1: ever going to come, and if he came, what what
Speaker 1: what would it be like? And then the night Joe
Speaker 1: Biden won the presidency a fraud weird night. Literally moments
Speaker 1: before the speech, I received a package and inside of
Speaker 1: it it was not what was in the pictures. I
Speaker 1: will post a pick sure of it to the feed,
Speaker 1: but it's like impossible to describe. It is technically a
Speaker 1: green baby boy, but it's it's like, it's so scary
Speaker 1: to look at it as like soulless eyes. It is hollow.
Speaker 1: It's made like a dog toy that doesn't squeak. But
Speaker 1: you can just it has a little hole in its button.
Speaker 1: You can just make it totally flat. You can squish
Speaker 1: his head. Uh, it's made out of rubber. It is
Speaker 1: technically a dog toy. It's it's definitely not worth thirty dollars.
Speaker 1: And I don't know who made this. Who's doing that?
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Yeah, you face timed me yes with
Speaker 1: the second you received it to show it to me,
Speaker 1: and I've I like nearly pee my pants laughing so
Speaker 1: hard because I'd never I wasn't expecting necessarily, you don't
Speaker 1: know what to expect, but I wasn't expecting that. And
Speaker 1: it's yeah, so we'll we'll do like side by side
Speaker 1: comparisons of like a screenshot of what the site was
Speaker 1: advertising and what actually showed up. Because it is the
Speaker 1: funniest thing in the world. And I'm so sorry you
Speaker 1: spent thirty plus shipping and handling the greatest return on
Speaker 1: investment either. I was just like it, maybe miss shows
Speaker 1: because I'm like, ah, if I could bring this to
Speaker 1: a show, really set up Green Baby Boy and then
Speaker 1: and then pass them around. Oh that's your next one
Speaker 1: person show. Submit, Submit Green Baby Boy the show to
Speaker 1: Edinburgh in Please. You think they're gonna say now please?
Speaker 1: That's just good storytelling. Uh so? So my my two
Speaker 1: guardian angels on yeah and my desk are Green Baby
Speaker 1: Boy and Dot Cock. Amazing. Well, okay, now that's the episode. Um,
Speaker 1: just a reminder about the live reading of Disney's The
Speaker 1: Santa Clause that we were doing on Sunday, December at
Speaker 1: six and Pacific nine pm Eastern. Again, the link that
Speaker 1: will allow you to donate and thereby purchase a ticket
Speaker 1: to the show will be on all of our social
Speaker 1: media and again on my website, Caitlin Darante dot com.
Speaker 1: And we really hope to see you there again for
Speaker 1: a terrific cause reclaim and rebuild our community. The show
Speaker 1: is going to be a blast and we hope to
Speaker 1: see you there. Thanks for listening. Have a safe holiday
Speaker 1: season everybody, and we'll talk to you soon. We'll see
Speaker 1: you soon Bye bye bye