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Speaker 3: Good morning, guys, Happy.

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Speaker 4: Friday, Happy Friday Friday.

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Speaker 2: Yet another commy takeover. This is a fun week for

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Speaker 2: US comrades.

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Speaker 4: Yes, indeed, no both sizing here. Maybe Griffin, are you?

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Speaker 4: If we got the Menshevik the Bolsheviks, you're the Actually

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Speaker 4: I'll do Kerensky. So we have all three sides of

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Speaker 4: the center left to.

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Speaker 5: Left, comforting. That's good, that's good.

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Speaker 6: I identify as a political podcaster, sort of an umpire

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Speaker 6: in the meetings, in the struggle sessions, uh fair and

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Speaker 6: baalam balls, strikes, fouls, all that good stuff trophies.

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Speaker 5: So big show today.

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Speaker 6: Speaking of a COMMI takeover, there's been a comedy takeover

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Speaker 6: once again at the White House with one mister Mum

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Speaker 6: Donnie and mister Donald Trump.

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Speaker 5: Crystal. What happened yesterday?

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Speaker 2: Well, first, while I'm talking, you gotta pull up the

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Speaker 2: picture of Trumpet and because it is it is art.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is no AI. AI could never create this,

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Speaker 2: imit so glorious. So what you have here is Trump

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Speaker 2: seated at the resolute desk. He's holding up two newspapers,

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Speaker 2: one of which is real from the past Ford to

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Speaker 2: City Dropped Dead and the other one which Zoran mocked

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Speaker 2: up and provided to him to stroke his ego. Says,

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Speaker 2: Trump to City, let's build. And Zoran is standing over

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Speaker 2: him looking, you know, not really smiling, but looking sort

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Speaker 2: of commanding in control, and Trump just the biggest cheesiest

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Speaker 2: grin on his face, like we ate this shit of

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Speaker 2: and lo and.

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Speaker 3: Behold, you know.

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Speaker 2: Zorn comes out and says, look, we had a very

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Speaker 2: productive meeting Trump. I guess last time they met, which

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Speaker 2: of course was you know, started the romance, had said,

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Speaker 2: bring me some ideas for how you could build or

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Speaker 2: ones like here, you go, here's what we want to do.

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Speaker 2: We want to build these twelve thousand units. We want

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Speaker 2: you know, federal grants to be able to do it.

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Speaker 2: Trump is apparently open to the to this idea. I

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Speaker 2: think it's like twenty one billion dollars that we need

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Speaker 2: from the federal government to pull that off. And the

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Speaker 2: other thing, very significant is there was this Columbia University

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Speaker 2: student who had been arrested by immigration authorities and under

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Speaker 2: really under false pretenses, they accessed her dorm at Columbia

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Speaker 2: University by lying about looking for a missing child. The

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Speaker 2: even mocked up faith fake like missing child posters, according

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Speaker 2: to you know, university officials, and that's how they got

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Speaker 2: in and ultimately arrested her. And so the other thing

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Speaker 2: Zoron asked for is for her to be released, and

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Speaker 2: you know, I think it was like within an hour

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Speaker 2: she had been He also put uh to Trump. I

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Speaker 2: think four others, uh, you know, cases that we've frankly

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Speaker 2: been following fairly closely that he wanted Trump to look into.

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Speaker 2: I think he gave those to Susie Wilds. So those

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Speaker 2: continue to be undetermined whether or not action will be

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's this Sunnyside yard, you know, so which

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Speaker 4: a huge train yard, and they're saying build on top

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Speaker 4: of it, right if I am some understanding the idea, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's the.

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Speaker 2: Idea is to put like a thing over it that

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Speaker 6: Twenty one billion in federal grants, and this is a

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Speaker 6: big area out in Queen's Yeah, absolutely outrageous. What do

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Speaker 4: I mean, we'll see. It's like you got to start somewhere, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean Zorn like Trump.

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Speaker 2: Trump's trum, Yeah, I mean Zorn played precisely into Trump's personality, right,

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Speaker 2: the egotism, Like he loves New York I'm having his

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Speaker 2: face on a newspaper, loves a young, handsome, charismatic star

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Speaker 2: with Zoron and uh, you know, and loves building stuff.

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Speaker 2: So he's like, all right, you want to you want

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Speaker 2: to work together on building, Let's do this. Look at

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Speaker 2: how the public would love you, you know, look at

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Speaker 2: the way the newspapers would report this. And I saw

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Speaker 2: let's make deal. You get one fake newspaper cover, I

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Speaker 2: get twelve thousand housing units, and you know, a student

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Speaker 4: Yeah good, it's gonna be it'd be great. And you know,

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Speaker 4: I can't imagine that the nimbies are gonna want to

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Speaker 4: stop this. It's like, right now, it's a rail yard,

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Speaker 4: like you want to maintain your beautiful view of the

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Speaker 4: rail yard, like I'm sure some people will have set out.

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Speaker 4: I had a view that now is being blocked. But like,

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Speaker 4: all right, this feels like doable.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.

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Speaker 6: When I saw how much Trump enjoyed the newspapers, I

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Speaker 6: thought that was something his team made. And then I

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Speaker 6: was like, Oh, it's so genius for the Zoron team

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Speaker 6: to come in with props, and yeah, I just I

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Speaker 6: thought that was amazing. We also do have an image

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Speaker 6: of the Columbia student here that I just found.

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Speaker 5: This is her.

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Speaker 6: She was at least after like one day any any

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Speaker 6: garbets Crystal.

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Speaker 3: I mean, her.

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Speaker 2: Being extremely beautiful certainly didn't hurt her case.

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Speaker 3: And I mean, just.

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Speaker 2: Based on how savvy Zoron's been, Trump clearly loves beautiful people,

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Speaker 2: men and women. By the way, I mean that's part

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Speaker 2: of the bromance with Zoran is clearly he thinks, like,

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Speaker 3: Associated with that.

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Speaker 2: So I totally would can imagine so On being in

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Speaker 2: there like, you know, this young beautiful, brilliant girl, Sir, sir,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure this isn't what you would have wanted. Can

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Speaker 2: you please look into her case, you know, putting it

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Speaker 2: to him like this isn't you right, This isn't what

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Speaker 4: Man, you don't say anything, I think if you're Zoron,

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Speaker 4: but you show a glam shot here she is. This

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Speaker 4: is who we're trying to like get out and Trump. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: like all right, you know what, because Trump like does

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Speaker 4: he like does he does he even like care about

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Speaker 4: anyone else? Like no, not at all, Like that's what's crazy.

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Speaker 4: Somebody calls her was like, what we're rating depots or

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Speaker 4: raiding farms, raading hotels, Steven stop it.

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Speaker 6: It's like one of the things that's like sinking him

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Speaker 6: in the polls, and he's like barely aware of it,

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Speaker 6: but he is aware, like in the moment that his

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Speaker 6: polls are down, and so he's glomming onto someone he

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Speaker 6: knows is hot, someone he knows who's got motion right now.

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Speaker 5: Which is Zorn.

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Speaker 6: So it's really clear that Trump really enjoys these meetings

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Speaker 6: and likes glaming onto people who are on the up

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Speaker 6: as opposed to him who seems to be in a

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Speaker 6: study to climb.

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Speaker 2: It was such a funny moment in the State of

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Speaker 2: the Union, where you know, they've written in this line

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Speaker 2: that was supposed to be like an attack against the

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Speaker 2: communist mayor of New York City, and Trump can't help

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Speaker 2: but deliver it without He's like the communist mayor who's

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Speaker 2: actually a nice guy.

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Speaker 3: I actually really like him. We spent a lot of

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Speaker 2: Like he can't even get through the one negative line

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Speaker 2: about him without being like, you know, he's actually good guy.

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Speaker 2: I actually like this guy. So I don't know, Zarl's

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Speaker 2: got some kind of magical charm. I won't be the

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Speaker 2: first to say it's a goddamn shame that the constitution

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Speaker 2: bars him for running for president because the level of

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Speaker 2: charm and skill that this man has demonstrated, both from

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Speaker 2: you know, just political acumen to delivering I mean, when

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Speaker 2: are going to deliver on our promises.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to be out in the streets. People are

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Speaker 3: going to see me.

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Speaker 2: They're going to notice basic things like you know, the

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Speaker 2: snow is getting removed and in an extraordinary way. And

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Speaker 2: I'm making good on my promises with regard to you know,

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Speaker 2: And you know, there have been some political decisions that

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Speaker 2: he's made and I'm like, I'm not sure about like

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Speaker 2: backing Hakeem Jefferies or opposing his primary cannon.

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Speaker 3: Now I'm like, listen, you know what you're doing.

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Speaker 2: I default to you your judgment much more than mine

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Speaker 2: because of the demonstrated track record on the ground and

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Speaker 2: the things he's been able to accomplish that are just

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Speaker 2: already extraordinary. We were talking before where we started about

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Speaker 2: there's like this whole right wing critique of the snow

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Speaker 2: outs of people are made, you know, one of his

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Speaker 2: trademark videos and was like, look, we want emergency snow shovelers.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be thirty five bucks an hour. I think

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Speaker 2: it originally started what at twenty and then he uped

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Speaker 2: it to thirty five, and you know, come on out,

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Speaker 2: bring your ID, we'll get you signed up with the

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Speaker 2: city government. You can come and help out. And clearly

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Speaker 2: this is a big part of why the snow removal

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Speaker 2: operation was so incredibly effective. That it was so effective

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Speaker 2: that there were people sharing photos like I don't even

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Speaker 2: think it's snown like this is this is a lie

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Speaker 2: or this can't be from this time, because there's just

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Speaker 2: there's no way that they were able to get this done.

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Speaker 2: So the program is stunningly effective. You're hiring people, you're

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Speaker 2: creating jobs that are actually beneficial of the community. And

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Speaker 2: the first knock on it was, oh, they need ID

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Speaker 2: to shovel snow, but you don't want them to have

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Speaker 2: ID at the polls, just like Okay, So they did

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Speaker 2: that one, and now people are sharing videos of like,

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Speaker 2: you know, it'll be like seven guys all working together

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Speaker 2: make work socialist program?

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Speaker 3: How dare you?

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Speaker 2: And I just hope, you know, I think this critique

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Speaker 2: is really smart and savvy. I hope they continue talking

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Speaker 2: about zoron Mam Donnie creating jobs for Americans and like,

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Speaker 2: you know, hiring them to do useful things in the

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Speaker 2: big Like I'm devastated by this critique, and I hope

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Speaker 5: Uh. Incredible stuff.

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Speaker 4: But if he's on his, he's on his Fetterman redemption tour.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, you just need to be on that redemption tour.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, Well moving on, let's do some bad

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Speaker 6: So we've got uh block stock here, which correct me

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Speaker 5: Is that correct? Crystal Jack Dorsey?

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Speaker 6: So uh, Jack Dorsey uh cut of his workforce over

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Speaker 2: Now he directly disputed that and said, no, that's not

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, and this is not a small company, right,

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Speaker 2: So the offer currently, as best I can tell from

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Speaker 2: we're ripping up the social contract, let's do it, but

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00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,359
Speaker 2: let's come up with something where people are going to

439
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 2: actually benefit, where we're gonna have control, human control, like democratic,

440
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 2: small d democratic control over this technology, so that it's

441
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,160
Speaker 2: not deployed just for the benefit of a few capitalists,

442
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:43,959
Speaker 2: but it's going to be deployed for the benefit of

443
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,159
Speaker 2: you know, of human beings, which is not the direction

444
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 2: we're headed in right now. But it's going to require

445
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 2: a lot, a lot of big thinking. You know, going

446
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 2: back to this mass layoff, maybe this is like a

447
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 2: kind of a horrible thing to say, but we were talking.

448
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 2: We've talked before about how you need some sort of

449
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 2: a shocking event to wake people up and to get

450
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,920
Speaker 2: them to take this stuff seriously. And in a sense,

451
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 2: I'm actually more afraid of the other scenario that Jack

452
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,159
Speaker 2: laid out of, Like I could have done it slowly

453
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,360
Speaker 2: over time, but I kind of thought it was better

454
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,680
Speaker 2: to rip the band aid off because if you have

455
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 2: a displacement that is large but still in the scale

456
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 2: of things we've lived through historically, there is going to

457
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,239
Speaker 2: be a lot less political incentive to act. There's going

458
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,880
Speaker 2: to be a lot more storytelling about like, oh, well,

459
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 2: you know, the professionals who were really skilled made it.

460
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 2: So just work a little harder, just like college degree,

461
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 2: a little harder, Just get in your grindset and you'll

462
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 2: be fine. Whereas if we have something that is truly

463
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 2: you know, unprecedent or approaching unprecedent, or cataclysmic, where you know,

464
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 2: the jobs are shedding and there can't be any story

465
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 2: around why it's your fault you lost your job, that's

466
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 2: when we're much more likely to get actual political action

467
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 2: and some sort of coalition together. I mean, I really like,

468
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 2: I hope you guys know, I hate talking that way,

469
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 2: but I think that's it. The the riskier situation is

470
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 2: actually where you end up in the same place, but

471
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 2: it's a slow drip, and so there's no one moment

472
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 2: where people are really galvanized to come together and make

473
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 2: you know, a new social contract, which is what we need.

474
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're all acceleration iss now, I guess, well sort of,

475
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,679
Speaker 6: it's a different kind of it because, yeah, the.

476
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Speaker 4: Old accelerationism never stipulated that without it you could have

477
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 4: human extinction. Like that's a significant difference. Like the old

478
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:39,479
Speaker 4: accelerationism was like the contradictions embedded within the system are

479
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 4: going to lead to some sort of revolution eventually, so

480
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 4: we might as well just accelerate it and do it. Now,

481
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 4: the timeline spat up the timeline. The new one is saying,

482
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,439
Speaker 4: if we don't do something, we might add like like

483
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 4: these ais might nuke the planet and that's it. So

484
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 4: we need to stop. You're not so it's not accelerations

485
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 4: because you're not trying to bring the future forward. You're

486
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 4: trying to stave off a potential future deviationism in a different.

487
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:15,880
Speaker 5: Deceleration deviationism, pump the brakes ism. Uh for sure, but.

488
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 4: It can't just be pumped the brakes. You have to

489
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 4: actually detour also, like you to hear off the road

490
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:21,919
Speaker 4: that we're on.

491
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 3: Mm hmm yeah.

492
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,199
Speaker 2: But for now, I do think the you know, the

493
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 2: most important work is just how can we slow things down?

494
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 2: How can we resist the Data Center?

495
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 3: Is?

496
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 2: How can we slow things down? Because this administration is

497
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 2: not going to do anything.

498
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 3: I mean, we can.

499
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Speaker 2: This is probably good transition to the the Anthropic that

500
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 2: fight with the Pentagon, which we've been covering because I

501
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 2: think it's so important and so significant. You have the

502
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 2: stakes here are Anthropic, which model clawed is used extensively

503
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 2: by the Pentagon. They have a two one hundred million

504
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 2: dollar contract and they believe. Their belief is that it's

505
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,679
Speaker 2: really important to work with the US government because it's

506
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 2: much better for a democratic country to achieve AGI or

507
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 2: superintelligence first. So they're all in on like the War

508
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 2: Ai war against China. They're perfectly happy, like work with

509
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 2: Palenteer and get this Pentagon contract.

510
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 3: Okay, so these are not like, you know, super.

511
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 2: Hippy dippy like whatever, but they had two red lines.

512
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 2: One of them is we don't want our tech used

513
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 2: for mass surveillance of Americans, and number two, we don't

514
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 2: want to use for autonomous killer robots, like no autonomous

515
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 2: death machines. And then Pentagon said, absolutely not, and if

516
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 2: you don't comply, we are going to either use the

517
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 2: Defense Production Act to deem your technology essential and just

518
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 2: take it, or we're going to deem it a supply

519
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 2: chain risk. And as Dario is pointing out, like these

520
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 2: two things are directly contradictory, but anyway, for that aside

521
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 2: a supply chain risk, we're going to cancel your contract

522
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 2: and we're going to make it so all of our

523
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 2: other contractors cannot use your product, which would be you know,

524
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 2: a massive economic hit because of course every large company

525
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 2: works with the Pentagon effectively.

526
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 3: So today is the deadline.

527
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 2: And yesterday Dario put out a statement saying that you know, no,

528
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 2: we're we're.

529
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 3: Not going to comply like this.

530
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 2: They they tried to the Pentagon tried to say, well,

531
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 2: we won't use it for any unlawful purposes, and Anthropics said, well,

532
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 2: that's really not good enough because technically, like the law

533
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 2: has not caught up to reflect the constitutional rights that

534
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 2: Americans actually have. And on the Fourth Amendment, it's you know,

535
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 2: the clarest cut where it's like, yeah, technically it's not

536
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 2: illegal for you to use and collect all of this

537
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 2: information that exists and use AI to collate it, but

538
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 2: it clearly is a violation of the Fourth Amendment. So

539
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 2: you just saying that you're not technically going to violate

540
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 2: the law with it is really not good enough. So no,

541
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 2: we refuse, and you know, and that's kind of where

542
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 2: we are. I just saw an update this morning from

543
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 2: Sam Oltman is saying we're going to see if there's

544
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Speaker 2: a deal with the Department of War that allows all

545
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 2: models to be deployed in classified environments that fits with

546
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 2: our principles. So Altman trying to get in there, we'd

547
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 2: ask for the contract to cover any use except except

548
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 2: those which are unlawful or unsuited to cloud deployment, such

549
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 2: as domestic surveillance and autonomous offensive weapons. I don't know

550
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 2: how they're thinking they're going to draw the line in

551
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 2: a different place than Anthropic did. But Sam Altman, trying

552
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 2: to get in on this Elon of course already was like, Oh,

553
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 2: I have no principles.

554
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 3: Don't worry, I'll do whatever you want to sign me up.

555
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 2: But my understanding is that you know, Claude has already

556
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 2: been implemented in a lot of these in all these

557
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 2: classified systems, and Claude is the most effective, Like it's

558
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 2: it's the best product for what they.

559
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 3: Want to accomplish.

560
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 2: So it's not so simple to just like flip the

561
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 2: switch from you know, Claude to Grock or you know,

562
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 2: chat Jubut or whatever. So it will be messy for

563
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 2: them to untangle. So that means Anthropic has a little

564
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 2: bit of leverage here. But the quote that I saw

565
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: from some senior military official quota by Axios was like, Yeah,

566
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,479
Speaker 2: it's going to be messy, and because of that, we

567
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 2: are going to make them pay for doing this.

568
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 4: And so the hexeth had threatened the Defense Production Act,

569
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 4: which Trump has shown willingness to use. He just used

570
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 4: the DPA, which is a law that allows the government

571
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 4: to force a private company to produce something if it's

572
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 4: in national security interests of the country. He just did

573
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 4: it for Roundup. Bizarrely, he told Monsanto, which is owned

574
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 4: by Bear, you need to make more more round up

575
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 4: and we need more phosphorus. Phosphorus is it is an

576
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 4: issue that the US has round up?

577
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 5: Huh?

578
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 4: Anyway, we need we need more cancer.

579
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 3: That's what we need, need more.

580
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 4: So, they threatened that they would use the Defense Production

581
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 4: Act to require Cloud Claude to work with the Pentagon.

582
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 4: That would lead to an interesting court case where you

583
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 4: would then have to litigate whether the Pentagon's demand is legal,

584
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 4: Like if and if and if their claim that this

585
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 4: thing will kill people without due process and will surveil

586
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 4: people in violation of the Fourth Amendment is true, then

587
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 4: it's hard to see how you can compel the government

588
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 4: can then legally compel anybody to break the Constitution.

589
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:10,719
Speaker 3: Well, it is.

590
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: I do want to underscore what I was saying before,

591
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 2: the contradiction between these two different paths that they've laid out,

592
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 2: either the Defense Production Act or deeming it a supply

593
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 2: chain risk. So it looks like they're going in the

594
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: direction of supply chain risk. I think, probably precisely for

595
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 2: the reasons that you lay out, Ryan, that it would

596
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 2: be legally tenuous and they'd have a pretty good case

597
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 2: at getting that locked. And you know, the courts are

598
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: very even up to the Supreme Court, as we saw

599
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: with Terris, like, they're very pro business. So I think

600
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 2: I think Anthropic could have a pretty good shot at

601
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 2: winning that case. But if you do the Defense Production Act,

602
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 2: what you're arguing is that they're essential to national security.

603
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 2: If you do the supply chain Risk, you're arguing they're

604
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: a detriment. They're a risk to national security. So the

605
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 2: fact that those are the two paths that they're choosing from,

606
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 2: it's like it's either essential or it's terrible. And it

607
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 2: looks like they're going to go in the direction of

608
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 2: saying that it's this is terrible for for national security.

609
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 3: But I mean, we'll see.

610
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 2: They may, they may taco right, they may, especially as

611
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 2: we're on the cusp of war with Ron as it

612
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,719
Speaker 2: appears you're going to be changing out this system that

613
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 2: you you know, really rely on at this point and

614
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 2: are comfortable with, et cetera. There's a lot going on militarily.

615
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 2: Is that really, you know, something you want to deal

616
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: with right now? You really want to you really want

617
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: to bring XAI and their total lack of scruples in

618
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 2: to to fill the you know, to fill the void there.

619
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 2: So we'll see how this all plays out, but I

620
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 2: think it's a fairly credible threat that they'll, you know,

621
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 2: that they will decide to wage a kind of like

622
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: both UH government and ideological rhetorical war against anthropic and

623
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 2: say this is like the woke liberal Ai and we

624
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 2: should none of us should have anything to do with it,

625
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 2: and it's the woke mind virus and it's going to

626
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 2: destroy civilization, et cetera, et cetera.

627
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 5: How much do you.

628
00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 6: Think this is like brand preservation by anthropic that like

629
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 6: anthropics sees the Trump administration sees people like Pete Hegsath

630
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 6: and is like, oh, like, I don't want like the

631
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 6: anthropic like brand slapped over a drone swarm that attacks.

632
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 5: Springfield, Ohio or something like that. Like do you think that.

633
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 6: There's some of that where they're like, well, let grok

634
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 6: be the ones that do like the first bad Ai

635
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 6: incident that kills a bunch of people, Like cause you

636
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 6: look at this administration how lawless they are and how

637
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 6: they kind of have gone a million different directions, and

638
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 6: it's like, oh, yeah, we easily see how like in

639
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 6: the next year we could have the anthropic terminator, you know,

640
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 6: I don't know, blowing up all.

641
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 5: The boats in the Caribbean or what have you.

642
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 4: I don't know.

643
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 3: I think it's pretty go ahead. Ryan.

644
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 4: No, just like that ethics and safety are central to

645
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 4: Anthropics brand. They also just recently dropped their safety you know,

646
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 4: the one of their key safety lines that they've been

647
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 4: walking around with for a very long time. So yeah,

648
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 4: I think in some ways it could be too much

649
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 4: to do that and then follow it up with, Okay, fine,

650
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 4: we'll do these autonomous drone swarms and mass surveillance for

651
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 4: the Pentagon. But I think some of it is I

652
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 4: don't know, real Like if you read Dario's writing, he's

653
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 4: a complicated guy obviously, and you got to read everything

654
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Speaker 4: with a grain of salt, But like it's been consistent

655
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 4: on these questions, Yeah, so you have to credit that

656
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 4: consistency with something.

657
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty hard to make a case that

658
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 2: this decision Bianthropic is just purely like a capitalist maximizing

659
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 2: play because the times we're timelines we're talking about now

660
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 2: with achieving I mean, many people, myself included, I'm persuaded

661
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 2: that we've already achieved artificial general intelligence, and people keep

662
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,239
Speaker 2: like moving the goalpop post and not really admit that.

663
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 2: But I think we're already. I think we're already there,

664
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 2: and the next milestone is super intelligence, which will be

665
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: equally kind of like difficult to draw a line of

666
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 2: like we've made it. But you know, these timelines for

667
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: when these things are being achieved are extremely quick. You know,

668
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 2: we're talking about like I'm hoping that we don't get

669
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 2: there before the next presidential election because we need time,

670
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 2: as we were discussing before, to develop policy framework from

671
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 2: the left and be able to really meet the moment,

672
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 2: and that's not going to be that's going to be

673
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 2: a very significant task. So you know, you're looking at

674
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 2: three more years of this administration and this is a

675
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 2: critical moment. And if you're having a fight with the

676
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 2: US federal government and have your contract stripped and you know,

677
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 2: who knows what other ways they're going to screw with

678
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 2: you and not approve whatever you need approved and block

679
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 2: this or that merger that you're trying to do, etc.

680
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 2: It's going to make the task of anthropic coming out

681
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 2: on top in that AI race more difficult. And that's

682
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: ultimately all of their you know, that's all of their

683
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 2: goals and anthropic their view is like, we need to

684
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 2: be there first because we are the only ones that

685
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 2: have any you know, any and suppose whatsoever. And frankly,

686
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 2: at this point, I think that's actually kind of fair

687
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 2: that they are correct about.

688
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 3: That, and so you know, so.

689
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 2: I have no doubt that if the Pentagon follows through

690
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 2: on their threats, and I believe that they could, that

691
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 2: this will be damaging to Anthropic in terms of winning

692
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 2: that ultimate AI race. And like I said, because of

693
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 2: the timeframe, you know, it's they all see it as

694
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 2: very zero sum, like whoever makes it is going to

695
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 2: be the model. And you know, if you were just

696
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 2: interested in my model is going to be the one

697
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 2: to proliferate, you wouldn't care about any of the safety concerns,

698
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 2: even though the like really dire ones you lay out

699
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 2: Griffin of like the drones swarm attacking some American town

700
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 2: or whatever. Being the one that gets there first is

701
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 2: all that matters in terms of ending up on top

702
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 2: as the dominant model.

703
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 6: Well, that's optimistic, like it. We don't need to spend

704
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 6: a lot of time on this story. But I think

705
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,919
Speaker 6: just a tag for this conversation, that is, I think

706
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 6: thematic uh US military uses laser to take down border

707
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 6: protection drone lawmakers saying FAA closes airspace near El Paso, Texas.

708
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 6: It's happening again, these lasers in El Paso. UH so yeah,

709
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 6: more of that in the future.

710
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 4: This reverse this time. Last time it was DHS just

711
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 4: goofing around with the with their toys. This time it

712
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 4: may be DHS goofing around with some drone toys and

713
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 4: not telling the military that they were doing it. And

714
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 4: so the military military seems to have very little patience

715
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 4: for dhs, and I think and considers them to be

716
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 4: amateurs and.

717
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 3: And hacks, like why would they where would they.

718
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 4: Get where they would get that? Yeah?

719
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, the the idea that we gave the border patrol

720
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 7: these freaking like laser weapons and whatever else they have

721
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 7: in their arsenal is utterly terrifying, utterly terror I mean,

722
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 7: look at these guys, like.

723
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 3: I don't know, Yeah, I don't know, guys, I don't.

724
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 2: Know how any of us are going to make it

725
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 2: through this regime because these people are evil and buffoons,

726
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 2: like the Combination, I didn't you know, it's not the

727
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,439
Speaker 2: movie Combination you get and Griffin you could probably speak

728
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 2: to this usually, like the evil types are like masterminds,

729
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 2: you know, they're they're geniuses.

730
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 3: I've had to.

731
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 2: Really, you know, struggle to anticipate and understand the evil idiot,

732
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: not the evil genius. Mind the like evil idiot mind

733
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 2: what does that one look like?

734
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 3: What is that one going to bring us.

735
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 4: Much more Cohen Brothers DHS than anything else?

736
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 5: Yes?

737
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, whatever, it's Fargo, USA here. Well also on that, Yeah,

738
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 6: what do you.

739
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 4: Real quick on the Pakistan and Afghanistan are at war?

740
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 5: Uh?

741
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 4: People can read more about that in our newsletter or

742
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 4: elsewhere and go find the details. But yeah, border clashes

743
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 4: between you know, Afghanistan and Pakistan led to Pakistan then

744
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 4: launching bombing raids on Kabble and Condahar amids against the Taliban,

745
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 4: right against against Taliban amidst some false claims that the

746
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 4: Supreme Leader seemed to be false claims that the Supreme

747
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 4: Leader in Afghanistan had been killed. You there's videos going

748
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 4: around of the Taliban kind of sacking some Pakistani bases

749
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 4: because I think on the ground, the Pakistani military is

750
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 4: not much of a match for Taliban. But Talban has

751
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 4: no air force because I don't think we left the

752
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 4: keys behind in those planes.

753
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 3: Haven't figured out how to.

754
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 4: Know they need Tom Cruise to Tom Cruise top Gun two.

755
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 4: He just finds an old jet and just hops in it.

756
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 4: And they so they need somebody like that who can

757
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 4: figure out how to fly those without that the Pakistan's

758
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 4: Pakistan Air Force has been striking Afghanistan. I saw some

759
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 4: conspiracy theories that this was from that this was like

760
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 4: that the US instructed them to do this to like

761
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 4: to weaken after the week in the Taliban so that Iran,

762
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:17,720
Speaker 4: when Iran regime change happens, that things will be calmer

763
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 4: on the Iran Afghanistan border. I don't see any reason

764
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 4: to credit any of that. I feel like this has

765
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 4: its own logic going on to it. But anyway, just letting.

766
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 2: People maybe we didn't exactly discourage it. Maybe as one

767
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 2: of those right.

768
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Speaker 4: Well, Trump, this could be his what fifteenth war that

769
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 4: he can stop he hurries up and stops.

770
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 3: I lost count after a certain point.

771
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, you do, you do so much peace.

772
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 6: Well, you can check out that story at drop site

773
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 6: News this morning. I'm guessing it'll be in our newsletter.

774
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 6: Yeah awesome. Well, we've got probably one more story to

775
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 6: fit in the first half here. What do we want

776
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 6: to do? Do we want to do paramount? Do we

777
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 6: want to do this? You've been working on Kat?

778
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 5: Also?

779
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:01,919
Speaker 4: You want to do this one real quick?

780
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 3: Ye?

781
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 5: Do Cat? What's going on with Kat?

782
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 3: So we reporting.

783
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 6: So Kat is running for Congress in Illinois, correct right, Chicago, Chicago.

784
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 4: She just had a just had a debate kat Abo Gazella, uh,

785
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 4: Palestinian American as the running is kind of the most

786
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 4: left wing candidate against Daniel Biss, who was he the

787
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 4: mayor of Evanston and kind of like an Elizabeth Warren

788
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 4: type liberal yeah and.

789
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 2: Yes for sure, but not exactly like Bernie wing right.

790
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 4: And then Laura Fine, who is getting all of the

791
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 4: APEX support. So it's kind of like a three way

792
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 4: race between them. The latest poll I saw had Biss

793
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 4: up by like six seven points, with Kat in second,

794
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 4: which was and then both of them beating Laura Fine,

795
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 4: which is remarkable because Fine was kind of, you know,

796
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 4: Fine had the pole position here her. But it seems

797
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 4: like the APAC money is actually dragging her down. It's

798
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 4: it's a very it's this Evanston area is a very

799
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 4: well educated district, and so once it got out that

800
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 4: she was secretly backed by APAC, it seems like all

801
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 4: of that money is is as much of a handicap

802
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 4: as it is helping her. But so Kat may actually

803
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 4: win this race now, So we went to her campaign.

804
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 4: We went to her for comment about about what we're

805
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 4: going to talk about now, and her back told her

806
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 4: she's welcome to come on this on the show to

807
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 4: talk about this as well. She has a and let

808
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 4: me put this up up on the screen she has.

809
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 4: It turns out her national security advisor is is is

810
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 4: quite the hawk. And so his name's Ben Mermel and

811
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 4: he is a So he's he's the guy that does

812
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 4: her foreign policy and national security. So there's an email

813
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 4: going around an activist circles that has that has gotten

814
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 4: to me in which one of the kind of Washington

815
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 4: based organizations reaches out and say, hey, you know, Cat's

816
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 4: doing well, Like, can we get some clarification on what

817
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 4: we've seen on her website, which seems seems to be

818
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 4: some unusually hawkish positions we see on the like we

819
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 4: see on there that she seems kind of to the right,

820
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 4: more hawkish than Trump on Taiwan, more hawkers than Trump

821
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 4: on Ukraine, but she's great on Palestine. So what's going

822
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 4: on here? And so so that they got back and

823
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 4: I agreed to conceal the person's names that the person

824
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 4: so that not this person, but like that somebody would

825
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 4: leak the email to me because it's it's getting a

826
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 4: lot of attention kind of in the background, but it's

827
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 4: something that the public should know about too. So here

828
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 4: so I'll roll through these. You don't even need the questions,

829
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 4: but you can pause this and read them if you want,

830
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 4: because the answers are are fullsome and they they kind

831
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 4: of incoor break the question one he talks about his

832
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:09,760
Speaker 4: role here. So number four, so this is about China

833
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 4: and Taiwan.

834
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 6: You aren't supposed to scroll that far down, Ryan, You're

835
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:14,479
Speaker 6: supposed to get tired of reading by.

836
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 4: That point, right, So asked about China to because they

837
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 4: said it look on the website, it looks like the

838
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 4: kind of concerning language on the website. Are you sure?

839
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 4: Is this really what Kat believes when it comes to Taiwan?

840
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 4: And so the quote here, If elected, Kat would strongly

841
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 4: push for amending the Taiwan Relations Act to include language

842
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 4: dropping our strategic ambiguity towards defending the island from a

843
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 4: Chinese invasion. Strategic ambiguity is actually precisely kind of what

844
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 4: AOC was mocked for presenting when she was kind of

845
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 4: babbling and kind of immune searching for an answer like

846
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 4: that is literally, the current American strategy towards Taiwan is

847
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 4: to just babble and not answer, so that China doesn't

848
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 4: know like what we will actually do. And so what

849
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 4: Cat is saying here through her advisors that that doesn't

850
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 4: work anymore, that we need to we need to say

851
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 4: that we're going to hit him. So as of now,

852
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 4: China knows that Trump won't send the seventh Fleet or

853
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 4: any other Indo pac Coom assets to defend Taiwan, and

854
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 4: the event have been all out assault. We owe it

855
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 4: to Taiwan and democracy to demonstrate that America will do

856
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 4: everything possible to counter wars of aggression with force. Extremely

857
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 4: hawkish position from from Cat there on Palestine strong, strong statement,

858
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 4: The genocide in Gaza is a disgusting failure. You know,

859
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 4: you've heard her talk a lot about the genocidin in Gaza,

860
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 4: and so nothing here would surprise you. But then she adds,

861
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 4: but then he adds on her behalf, that does not

862
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,720
Speaker 4: mean that our historical impulse to use military force versus

863
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 4: correct it hardly ever, is and often causes untold damage.

864
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,280
Speaker 4: There are a wide range of options of fail well

865
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 4: to both the Executive and Congress, precluding kinetic force, from

866
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 4: sanctions to NGO support, all of which are likely to

867
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 4: produce results when applied correctly. Kat is firmly an interventionist.

868
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 4: The world is better off when America takes a leading

869
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 4: role in it, but that role must be ethical and lawful,

870
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 4: and it must place human rights first, so that you know,

871
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 4: so we don't want to necessarily do war, but we

872
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 4: do want sanctions, We do want to fund NGOs that

873
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 4: do these like protests, and you know, support our favored

874
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 4: folks inside these different countries. And quote firmly an interventionists.

875
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 4: So I don't think that's what people would necessarily have

876
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 4: expected from from what from how people understand her when

877
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 4: it comes to Palestine. And then on Russia Ukraine, if elected,

878
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 4: the alogy to the good stuff. If elected, CAT will

879
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 4: hold the line. Russia cannot be allowed to eke out

880
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 4: a win in Ukraine, and CAT stands firmly against any

881
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 4: attempt by the Trump administration to sell out our European

882
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 4: allies to Putin's imperialism. Kat fully supports funding the Ukrainian

883
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 4: war effort to the hilt until the Russian forces are

884
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:14,439
Speaker 4: degraded to the point where a near restoration of pre

885
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 4: war borders is possible, or any other outcome preferable to

886
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 4: the Ukrainian government. She strongly supports the forward deployment of air, naval,

887
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 4: and ground assets to the NATO front line, as well

888
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 4: as the positioning of dual use missile and drone interception systems.

889
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 4: So ground assets are we talking about American ground assets?

890
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 4: Hopefully we give them clarity from her on that we

891
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 4: must additionally surge IM one oh four page And this

892
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 4: sounds like Ben Murmel here is kind of like one

893
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 4: of the like a bit of a military geek, So

894
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 4: he goes deep into the weapons systems that he wants

895
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 4: to see placed on the border. The Chinese are closely

896
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 4: watching our actions in Ukraine, and the outcome of this

897
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 4: conflict will determine the nature of their attempt to seize Taiwan,

898
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 4: possibly preventing it altogether. If Ukraine can pull off a

899
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 4: diplomatic win, we owe it to those that gave their

900
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 4: lives aggression throughout our history and people seeking freedom everywhere

901
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 4: to not cower in fear. Kat will be that voice

902
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 4: on the hill and she won't stop until Russia is

903
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 4: made to pay for its crimes. So I don't know what,

904
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 4: like what do you is that what you would have

905
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 4: expected from.

906
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 2: No, not at all, not firmly an interventionists like WHOA

907
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 2: and so I mean, I guess my question is, you know,

908
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 2: it's like I have a lot of I guess, sort

909
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 2: of charity towards new congressional candidates, having myself been a

910
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 2: congressional candid in the past and knowing where I was

911
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 2: coming from as just being like, you know, kind of

912
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 2: a regular person who just want to deserve the country.

913
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 2: I mean, granted, Kat has been in the political space

914
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 2: for a long time, right, foreign policy outside of she's

915
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 2: you know, place plan in her flag very effectively in Palestine,

916
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 2: it's not like that's what she's known for, right, So

917
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 2: you know, I would be open to the idea that

918
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 2: like she kind of just she kind of outsourced this

919
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 2: to Ben and hasn't really fully thought it through, in

920
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 2: which case there's a lot of opportunity to say, you know,

921
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 2: this is not this is how we end up in

922
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 2: the Iraq War, right, this is how we end up

923
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 2: bombing Livia, this is how we end up with failed

924
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 2: states and messing doing all these like color revolutions, and

925
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 2: this is effectively the type of foreign policy we've had

926
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 2: for decades going back into the Cold War, and you know,

927
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 2: if you want to do something different, this is not

928
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 2: what it looks like. So I am you know, I

929
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 2: am anxious to hear from her directly on this because

930
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 2: this is very, very surprising to me that this is

931
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 2: the type of language that is being used here.

932
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 4: There's also one other weird element here. This guy Ben,

933
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 4: according to a the sud this GW article, he was

934
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 4: at this He's quoted at a Pro Israel rally where

935
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 4: he's I can maybe put this on Twitter, but let

936
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 4: me let me find this. What's his quote here? It's like,

937
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 4: what are you doing at the Pro Israel So Benmurmel

938
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 4: here it is, actually I'll just here, let me put

939
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 4: it up. Ben Murmel, a graduate student in the School

940
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 4: of Public Affairs, attended the Pro Israel rally alongside Harris Mowbray,

941
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,399
Speaker 4: who graduated from the School of International Service in two

942
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 4: thousand and two. Referring to the nearby encampment, there's a

943
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 4: lot of points that they're making over there that I

944
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 4: also agree with. I think they've done a bad job

945
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 4: police and the anti Semitism that sometimes rears its head

946
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 4: within that movement, and I think that's turned quite a

947
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 4: lot of people off this comment aside, Like during the

948
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 4: genocide in Gaza, there was an encampment at GW and

949
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 4: Ben went to the her advisor went to the pro

950
00:48:56,280 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 4: Israel rally that protested the encampment. So that's why, maybe

951
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 4: more to your point, that she may have just outsourced

952
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 4: this to this guy and he's like, well, and that's

953
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,399
Speaker 4: very greating up on the website and it's getting out

954
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 4: to groups as official kind of campaign stuff. Responsible for it.

955
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 2: But right, if you don't have a really formed foreign

956
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 2: policy view, the people you surround yourself with become really important.

957
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 2: You know, if you like have a fully formed view

958
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 2: and maybe you want someone who has a different ideological

959
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 2: orientation to kind of push you and you know, be

960
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 2: the person in the room and says, well have you

961
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 2: thought about this? That's kind of a different deal. But

962
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 2: if you're coming in somewhat unformed and you're bringing in

963
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 2: this person who is very hawkish and you know, just

964
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago was going to pro Israel protests,

965
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 2: then you're you know, that's obviously what's going to be

966
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 2: reflecting your campaign. That's going to really help shape and

967
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 2: mold your own thinking, you know, as you're kind of

968
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 2: coming into this fresh.

969
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

970
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 2: I mean people have talked about like with AOC, Mett

971
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 2: dous Is advising her, and you could see that right

972
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 2: in her language and her approach and the things she

973
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 2: was saying at the Munich conference as well. And I

974
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 2: think foreign policy has always been an area from I

975
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 2: remember when you know, AOC first got elected and she

976
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 2: got that question about Israel Palestine and she was very

977
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 2: like she knew there were things land mines here, but

978
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 2: she didn't know exactly where they were, and she kind

979
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 2: of had just like a general instinct of like I

980
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 2: want peace and Palistanstinian should have rights, but I don't

981
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 2: know exactly what to say about this. That's kind of

982
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 2: where she was, And I think she's always been much

983
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 2: more comfortable on domestic policy than she has been on

984
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 2: foreign policy, and so it reminds me a bit of

985
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 2: that with Kat, although again, I mean Kat has been

986
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 2: a political you know, she's been a political actor, not candidate,

987
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 2: but a political actor for a long time. So anyway,

988
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 2: those are some of my sort of like thoughts and

989
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 2: reflections of just you know, reacting to this in real time.

990
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 2: But there's I am definitely surprised to see what is

991
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 2: in this you know, campaign communication that purports to speak

992
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 2: for her and her.

993
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 4: Views we made to Yeah, no, the offer stands like

994
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 4: we reached out to catches and welcome, welcome to come on,

995
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 4: will absolutely you're here of perspective at length on this ahead.

996
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 6: I also think that there is a definite lack of like, Okay,

997
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 6: for the Taiwan on one, it's kind of hashtag random

998
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 6: like for what we're doing there, uh, But for the

999
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 6: Ukraine one, I think there is actually like a vacuum

1000
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 6: of leftist perspective on the Ukraine war, like like like,

1001
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 6: I don't think that there's like a lot of strong

1002
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 6: national figures on the left that are talking about how

1003
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 6: many people are dying every month there, that are talking

1004
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 6: about the average age of the Ukrainian soldier, that are

1005
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 6: talking about how the front lines haven't moved in years,

1006
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 6: or that we would have to actually deploy ground troops

1007
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 6: and start World War three to win back this land

1008
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 6: mine strewn land. So because there has not been even

1009
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 6: on shows that I like that are pretty leftists, you know,

1010
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 6: I don't. I don't think the Majority report talks a

1011
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 6: lot about that stuff. That's probably one of the biggest

1012
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 6: leftist shows, probably a show that Kat watches. So I

1013
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 6: think there has been like that vacuum on the on

1014
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 6: the Ukraine thing, but this is still pretty unacceptable. You

1015
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 6: have to like find like good people to surround you.

1016
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 6: But you know, I do like that she's been good

1017
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 6: on ICE, she's been good on Palestine, and she's been

1018
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 6: good on TV, which is important. You know, she goes

1019
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 6: on these CNN panels and she's awesome.

1020
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 5: She's like a great fighter. She's like clear someone we need.

1021
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 6: So I'm willing to like say, maybe she picked the

1022
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 6: wrong guy, but if these are her views, this is

1023
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 6: kind of a classic example of like progressivism being too

1024
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 6: broad a term and like being like, oh, you can

1025
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 6: fit all sorts of stuff. You can be of you know,

1026
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 6: you can be a we need to sack Vladimir Putin progressive,

1027
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 6: or you can be a non intervention is progressive, And

1028
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,760
Speaker 6: it's such a broad term that it becomes kind of useless.

1029
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 6: And I think people that are on the more hardcore

1030
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 6: least should probably depart from the term.

1031
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think the Ukraine point is an interesting

1032
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 2: one to dig into a little bit more. You know,

1033
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 2: early on in the Ukraine War. Member, there was a

1034
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 2: group of progressives who tried to put out some letter

1035
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 2: I don't remember. It was like Ryan, you'll probably remember better.

1036
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 2: It was like calling for a ceasefire, negotiations or diplomacy

1037
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 2: or something. It was I remember it being very tame, right,

1038
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 2: It was very like piece is good, you know, like

1039
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 2: that was basically the vibe. And they faced so much

1040
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 2: backlash for penning this letter, and it worked like after that,

1041
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 2: everyone just kept their mouth shut and they're like, oh,

1042
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 2: I guess we'll just got to do this war forever

1043
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 2: and kind of like slowly fade.

1044
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 3: In weapons and you know, create some.

1045
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 2: Sort of like miserable, deadly, destructive status quo. And here

1046
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 2: we are, and you know, I mean, I understand, I

1047
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,959
Speaker 2: understand why Ukraine is a difficult position for progressives because

1048
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,720
Speaker 2: there are competing principles.

1049
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 3: At stake here. Right, Russia was the aggressor.

1050
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 2: It is an illegal war, you know, Ukraine is like

1051
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 2: are the the underdogs?

1052
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 3: Like it's it's not right? What has been done to that?

1053
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 2: I would say, what are you know, screwing around with

1054
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 2: Ukraine and using this as a proxy war is also

1055
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 2: not right? And then of course the competing principle there

1056
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 2: is that people are dying. This war has no end

1057
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 2: in sight, and even though any resolution right now there's

1058
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 2: it's not going to be a just resolution. There's just

1059
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 2: no doubt about that. It's going to be a very

1060
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 2: ugly and difficult pill to swallow. But meanwhile, people are

1061
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,240
Speaker 2: dying and the wartime goes on the worst the solution

1062
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 2: is likely to get for Ukraine. So I understand why

1063
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,399
Speaker 2: that is a difficult issue for progressives to just kind

1064
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 2: of like take a hard stand on, and because you

1065
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 2: do have these competing principles at play. But you know,

1066
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 2: by and large, at this point with both parties and

1067
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 2: with the Trump administration, I mean, he bare we mentioned

1068
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 2: Ukraine at all in a State of the Union. It's

1069
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 2: just become another one of these intractable, intractable conflicts where

1070
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,720
Speaker 2: it is easy for every political actor to just pretend

1071
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 2: like it's not happening and allow a horrifying, grinding, deadly

1072
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 2: status quo and dangerous by the way status quo to persist,

1073
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, it reminds in the sense of Afghanistan,

1074
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 2: where it was like everyone knows it's a mess, we

1075
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 2: don't even know why we're there, anymore, like what are

1076
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,280
Speaker 2: we even doing? And yet it just grew, it creates

1077
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 2: a logic of its own because politically, it's easier just

1078
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 2: to put it on the back burner and push it

1079
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 2: out of the news than to actually bring it to

1080
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 2: what ended up being a rather ugly conclusion, from which

1081
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 2: Joe Biden himself like that's when his approved writing falls

1082
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 2: off and he never recovers. So that's kind of where

1083
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 2: we are with the Ukraine War, which is really across

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Speaker 2: the board, you know, Republican, Democrat, progressive, modern everybody issue

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Speaker 2: at this point where it's like no one really wants

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Speaker 2: to focus on it or talk about it because it's

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Speaker 2: easier not to.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and history nerds can fact check me. But this

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Speaker 4: has lasted longer than World War One, now, like for you,

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Speaker 4: this is this is and with frankly no end in

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Speaker 4: sight other than the complete demographic collapse of of Ukraine

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Speaker 4: coupled with a genuine demo demographic hit to Russia that

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Speaker 4: will resonate and ring out for generations. It's insane.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and all right, you sorry I cut you off, Ryan, No, No, okay,

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Speaker 6: just buttering with rage.

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Speaker 5: All right, Kat, we'd love to talk to you about that.

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Speaker 6: We'd love to keep talking more about the Ukraine War,

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Speaker 6: because I do think it's a topic that fell by

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Speaker 6: the wayside. And it's tough because I think, yeah, everyone

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Speaker 6: kind of has just shrugged it off as never ending.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, that's going to do it for this first half.

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Speaker 5: We got a lot of topics.

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Speaker 6: In the second half, we wanted to talk about some

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Speaker 6: horrible ice video that's been on Earth by a reporter

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Speaker 6: of a blind gentleman that then passed away after being

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Speaker 6: left out in the cold. We've got some stuff on

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Speaker 6: the Save Act that we wanted to get to with Trump.

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Speaker 6: And then now some China election interference claims about the

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Speaker 6: twenty twenty election. And of course our friends over at

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Speaker 6: Paramount have won the day and it looks like they

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Speaker 6: will be the ones to purchase Warner Brothers. So we're

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Speaker 6: gonna get all that some more if we do have time.

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Speaker 4: This plumber from the Green Party, a hand of the plumber,

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Speaker 4: just won this massive election. That could be like a

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Speaker 4: dagger in the heart of the Labor Party, like that

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Speaker 4: might make Kerstarmer like literally the last Labor prime minister

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Speaker 4: in world history, like ever again in the.

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Speaker 3: Well, wow, okay, all right, we'll do that.

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Speaker 6: We're doing that first. Ryan, all right, let's get to

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Speaker 6: the plumber right now. See you all there. Breakingpoints dot

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Speaker 6: com