1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: Lamar was the leader. The guy's gravitated to Lamar if 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: you come out of that combine with the biggest thing 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: we've felt about Lamar was his leadership and the way 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: people gravitated towards him. The way we play the game, 5 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,799 Speaker 1: the way we're doing it, we don't need scatbacks. You know, 6 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 1: we're coming downhill at you. We're we want that big, physical, 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 1: explosive runner. And there's guys in this draft that can 8 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: do that. Do you ever catch yourself in the draft 9 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: being and you cat yourself and you're like, and you're like, 10 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 1: you know, if I thought about what Mink looks like 11 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: with his shirt off, that's what it looks like. DK 12 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: met Welcome into the lounge. We're getting ready for the combine. Garrett. 13 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: Your favorite trip every year, I know it is going 14 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: out to Indie Baby. Oh yeah, nothing better than Indianapolis 15 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: in late February, early March. It's a beautiful place that 16 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 1: time of the year. Nice, maybe twenty degrees. It's lovely. 17 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: But here's the thing. Some of us got to do work. 18 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: Some of us gott to produce good work. Plus can't 19 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: sit around here and just wait on everybody else to 20 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: get the work done me, Cliff Brown, We're gonna be 21 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: out there grinding away, grinding away. Are you grinding from 22 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: back here? All right? You haven't grinded in years, in years, 23 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: I'm a grinding grinder anyway. On the email as always, 24 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: you know you can read us at the lounge at 25 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: Ravens dot NFL dot net. We have a good email 26 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: here from Steven Pate, longtime listener Stephen. We apologize emails 27 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: kind of long. We got a long interview here with 28 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: Joe Ortiz Uh. So we're gonna cut to the chase 29 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: and get ready to his punchline, which is his joke. 30 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: He says, I think the perfect pick in the second 31 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: round will be David Sills, the five A wide receiver 32 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: out of West Virginia. Not only does he provide a 33 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: Cooper Cup like great route runner for Lamar to move 34 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: the chains, but we can add more Ravens to the 35 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: family tree since we have Orlando Brown Jr. R. G 36 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: three potentially moving forward, Willie Sneed the fourth and then 37 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 1: David Sills FI. I like the idea. Yeah, he's wondering 38 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: if there's any sixth in the league. I don't know 39 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: if there's any sixth. I do like Sills though I 40 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 1: watched some West Virginia games this year, can make a 41 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 1: lot of contested catches, show some big playability there really 42 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: important piece of that offense. So yeah, I like the idea. Yeah, 43 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: and uh, we're gonna be talking a lot about wide 44 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: receivers here in this podcast, including another guy that's getting 45 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: a lot of buzz, dk Metcalf out of Old Miss. 46 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 1: So with that, let's jump right into our interview with 47 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: Ravens Director of College Scouting Joe Ortiez. One of my 48 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: best friends, and I think he would say the same 49 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: thing about me, There's no doubt. So I'll start off 50 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 1: with us. Off off for you, Joe. Are we going 51 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: to draft any players from Colby College this year? Um? 52 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: I would say the chances are strongly against. Wow, you 53 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: got Eric is not gonna be happy about that. That's Eric, 54 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: the costas alma mater. You know, someone from Colby, but 55 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: not draft any player. I don't know about drafting player. 56 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: But the Alabama trying could continue even though he's not 57 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: in the GMC. That could continue. Yes, Alabama could continue. 58 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,839 Speaker 1: They are once again loaded for the draft this year. 59 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: And uh, it's a lot of fun going in there 60 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: every year and seeing the players they have each year 61 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: four so they got some good prospects again this year, 62 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: So before we died too much into the draft. Just Eric. 63 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: Obviously he has taken over as general manager. This is Eric. 64 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: You've been with him for how many years? So how 65 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: have you seen him take on this challenge and kind 66 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: of embraced it and he changed it? All? Is what's 67 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: different with him or in terms of running things? And 68 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: how is he any different? Yeah? The most different thing 69 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: is he's not two doors down anymore. That being said, 70 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: he is in our hallway a lot. He's he uses 71 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: the conference room to come over and watch the film. 72 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: But you know, I think this is something that he's 73 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: grown into the position over the years, and he's been 74 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: preparing for it. Um. Obviously, he's known for a long 75 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: time that he was going to take over for Ozzie 76 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: at some point in the future, and Ozzie has done 77 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: a great job preparing him. Um, and he's done a 78 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: great job getting ready for the position. So there's the 79 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: transition has been you know, smooth, definitely. UM. A lot 80 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: of things Eric was involved with before he became our 81 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 1: general manager and and those things he's obviously active in, 82 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 1: right now. So, um, it's almost not noticeable other than 83 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's Eric ultimately making the decisions. Now, 84 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: when you know a guy for that long and then 85 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: he steps into that job, you know, what, is there 86 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: ever any moment where you're like, or has there been 87 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: a moment you're like, whoa, all right, here we go. 88 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: You know, this kind of feels a little bit like 89 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: if Garrett got a big promotion, I would be like 90 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: what the hell? You know, like he's like, why not me? Well, now, 91 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: definitely feel that if I got the big promotion, my 92 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 1: first move would be the fireman. Obviously you'd be canceling me. Um. 93 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 1: Now you know it's again it's you kind of you 94 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: knew it was coming. Um, So from from the perspective, 95 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: from my perspective, it's it's one of those things that 96 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: you're anticipate and expecting and we're building towards it and um, 97 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: you know, uh big differences. No, there's like, you know, hey, 98 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 1: it's you know Eric at the Senior Bowl when he's 99 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: discussion his vision and and how we're gonna go forward 100 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: and how he's going to operate. You know, yeah, it's 101 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: gonna be a little bit different. But we've all been 102 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: here for a long time. We all have kind of 103 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: worked in this system, and this is our system and 104 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: UM and the way we do things. So we're gonna 105 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: tweak it here and there and do a couple of 106 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,679 Speaker 1: things differently, but for the most part, the structured flow 107 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: of how we do things in Baltimore, I don't anticipate 108 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: changing greatly, right, So let's get your overall thoughts on 109 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: this year's draft class. I'm sure you probably prefer talking 110 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: about that then, Eric, just you know, is it really 111 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: top in heavy? A lot of talent in the first 112 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: couple of rounds. Where's kind of the generally I feel 113 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: like there's almost like the continental shelf. You know, you 114 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: have these so many players, then there's a shelf you 115 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: kind of drop off. Where about is that deep shelf? 116 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: There's a deep shelf. This year. It's a deep draft, 117 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: it really is. UM. We got we just finished up 118 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: ten days and meetings, working from seven to seven basically 119 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: every day, and UH went over a lot of players, 120 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: more players than we've ever covered in the past. So UM, 121 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 1: and we don't talk about guys that aren't draft worthy 122 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: or have a chance to make a roster. So that's 123 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 1: a good thing. It's telling us there's there's depths in 124 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,799 Speaker 1: this draft. Um. And then when you look at the board, 125 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,239 Speaker 1: there there are the middle of the board looks bigger 126 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: than normal, it's it's deeper. So um, there is eventually 127 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: will be a drop off, but hopefully we can get 128 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: quality players because everyone's picking off of a different board, 129 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 1: especially in those middle rounds. You know, the top of 130 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 1: the draft, it looks like your board gets off just 131 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: like everyone else's, I think you know nowadays. But um, 132 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 1: in the middle of the draft, that's where you can 133 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,359 Speaker 1: get the guys that you cover it and other people 134 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: may not come it as strongly. So I think we'll 135 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: get some really good players with our Day three picks 136 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: and a number twenty two. Just my initial feels from 137 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: looking at the mock drafts and whatnot, and just the 138 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: chatter is like that there's not a consensus. All right, 139 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: these are the ten guys, you know, and then after 140 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: that there's like just this big drop off. Like it 141 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: feels like, I mean through the through twenty the mid twenties, 142 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: like there's a lot of really good, highly regarded players, right, 143 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: And I think if you look at the mocks and 144 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: as they've come out from the end of the season 145 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: January Mox, the February mocks, the pretty Combine Mox, the 146 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: post Combine Max. They're so different, Like you'll see a 147 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: guy at ten and next you know, you'll see him 148 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: twenty five, you know, and it's it's that, but it's 149 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: that type of player. You know you're gonna have, um, 150 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: probably so many different mocks. But however, may there are 151 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: ten different mocks, and you may have one player going 152 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: tenth and then him going thirty second, you know. So 153 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: I think those players from ten to thirty two or 154 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: even the forties, a lot of them are similar type 155 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: level of players. So, UM, not a big drop off there. 156 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: You know, you're gonna have your top five or six 157 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: guys that are gonna be your the top players that 158 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: everyone covers or would love to have a shot at. 159 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: But it's not the It does drop all from there, 160 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: and then really you're going to get a similar type 161 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: of player. I think if you're picking eleven or if 162 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: you're picking twenty two, what about positions, like what do 163 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: you see as the positions of strength and weakness overall 164 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: this year? Um, the line definitely is a strength, especially 165 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: if you factor in the pass rushers, um the outside 166 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: backers for us, if you know, because two four three 167 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: teams through their end. Um, that's a strong group that 168 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: it's it's top heavy, it's middle heavy, and there it's deep. 169 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: There's depth in the in those positions. So that's a 170 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: really strong group this year. Um. You know, wide receivers 171 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: pretty good, maybe not the top end talent, but you 172 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: have a good, really good deep group of guys that 173 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,319 Speaker 1: you can take in the middle rounds. Same thing with 174 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: running backs. You may not have. You don't have the 175 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: se Quon Barkley in the draft class this year, but 176 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: you get a lot of good backs that are gonna 177 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,599 Speaker 1: go and probably the second and third rounds. So with 178 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: the offense, I'm curious. Obviously there's a quarterback change. The 179 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: mar is the centerpiece of the offense. Does that change 180 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: how you build a team around him in terms of 181 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: your either evaluation of players or the value that you 182 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: put on a player, like in a simple examples like this, 183 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: this receiver, we're moving him up our board this year 184 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: because he's a good blocker and that's something that we 185 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: need these guys to do on our offense. Yeah, I mean, 186 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 1: there's gotta be a willingness to block, definitely. You've heard 187 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: Greg talking about that, You've heard John talk about that. Um, 188 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: it's that's there's guys in our offense, we're going to 189 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: have to be able to block and block effectively. Now, 190 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: ultimately the job of the wide receivers to catch the 191 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: ball and make plays with the ball in his hand 192 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,839 Speaker 1: or make plays on the ball. So, um, that doesn't 193 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: get lost. We're not going to take a great blocker 194 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: who can't catch alright, So um, Still, the priority of 195 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: the position is the priority of position. But one of 196 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: the traits we'd like in a wide receiver is a 197 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: willingness to block. And maybe he's not a great blocker 198 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: or not quite strong enough now, but the guy who 199 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: shows the effort and the energy to go out there 200 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: and compete for his teammates. So that is definitely a 201 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: trait we Yeah, But besides, besides wide receiver, is has 202 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: there been discussion from Eric to you guys that then 203 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: you send to your scouts and whatnot about all right 204 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: now it's Lamar's it's Lamar Jackson offense, and we're gonna 205 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: have to kind of tweak, you know, things outside of 206 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: even wide receiver about how we build this and look 207 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: at different players, you know what I mean. Um, you know, 208 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: it doesn't it doesn't change dramatically. Um. Obviously when you 209 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,719 Speaker 1: watch our offense, we are coming downhill at you when 210 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: we run the ball. And um, so we're not looking 211 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: for zone scheme type offensive lineman and we haven't been. 212 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: We've been more of the power gap scheme type of 213 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: offensive line. We'll run some zones, but I mean we're 214 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: like John, We've in in the offensive staff. They've wanted 215 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: an offensive line that gets after it and can run 216 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: the ball well. And um, so that's been what we've 217 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: been looking for. And now it just kind of gets 218 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: accentuated by our strong running game and the way we 219 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: attack people who coming downhill back same thing he went. 220 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: Backs that are going to hit the whole and and 221 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: and get up in there and show some burst and 222 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: ability to get throughout the other end. So um, we're 223 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: not looking for the guys that bounce, um, you know, 224 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: and looking to take everything outside. So um, some of 225 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: that is an instinct of a player. Some of that 226 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 1: can be coached out of a player, or maybe the 227 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 1: scheme he's operating in now in college that hey, he 228 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: they run more outside type zone stretch type runs. But 229 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: we think he can come in and play in our scheme. 230 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: So um, nobody gets eliminated this earlier, Right, Daniel Jeremiah 231 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: talked about he had some interesting comments recently about putting 232 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: a track team around Lamar Jackson just a ton of 233 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: speed on this offense, kind of with the idea I 234 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: think of like you're gonna pound them, you know, and 235 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: you're gonna hit him hard, and then everybody's concerned about 236 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: Lamar and breaking a big play. But so they kind 237 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:58,839 Speaker 1: of relax on some of the other guys. They're so 238 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 1: concerned about Lair that one of these other guys can 239 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 1: hit him for a big play at any other time. Right, 240 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: Is there some accuracy to that where you guys say, 241 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 1: we got a dynamic player in Lamar, we just need 242 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: to get some other big time playmakers around him that 243 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: can make teams pay if they focus too much on it. Sure, 244 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I think Lamar can make it. 245 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: Can Lamar's ability can create opportunities for anyone on our offense. 246 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: And so if you have a speed guy, especially at 247 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: wide receiver, uh, you know, he can take the top 248 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: off and expose the defense of safety rolling down a 249 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: corner coming hot, biting hard on the run and slip by. 250 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: But we got guys on the team that can do 251 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: that too right now. So, um, certainly you look for 252 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: you always want to be bigger and faster than everyone, 253 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: but you don't always necessarily have to have straight speed guys. 254 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: You just need more of a playmaker. So when you 255 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: look at this draft, I mean we've answered this question 256 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,559 Speaker 1: on the mailbag on a number of occasions. Arlie was 257 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: going to go off as heavy because I think a 258 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: lot of conversation is focused on offensive line and receiver 259 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: as we're talking about running back, so we're all talking 260 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: about offense. Does that mean it's probably gonna be four 261 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 1: straight defensive players? It was four straight defense, four straight offense, 262 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: and we go back to defense. Um, there's no way 263 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: to tell it really is. Because we have needs on 264 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: both sides of the ball, we really do, and there's 265 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: talent on the board on both sides of the ball, 266 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: guys that we'd love to make ravens. So it's hard 267 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: to sit here and say, man, you know, we want 268 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: to build the offense up and we're going to overlook 269 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: a great defensive player that can come in and help 270 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: us be a great football team on defense, on special teams. 271 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: So um, you know, I think if you look at 272 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: the success of our defense last year, it was very 273 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: critical for us making the playoffs. Doesn't hurt to the right. So, um, 274 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: the one thing, and we pride ourselves on being a 275 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: pretty good defense around here, so you know, I don't 276 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: think we ever want to let that slip. So if 277 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:50,319 Speaker 1: we can get a guy on defense that can help 278 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: us and he's the best player, UF there, we're gonna 279 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: take care. But is it really fun to now you 280 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: know you turn the page to the Litlamar Jackson era 281 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: and really fun as scouts and what not to be 282 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: Like all right, like this is a new kind of chapter, 283 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: Like is it exciting to be building a new offense? Yeah, yeah, 284 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: it's you know, like you know, with Joe, we're looking 285 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 1: for the things we that fit Joe and this there 286 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 1: is a challenge and you know, hey, this there are 287 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: guys that you see, like I don't think you fits 288 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: what we're gonna do. So um, you're you're you're trying 289 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: to identify whether the guy fits into what we do. Um, 290 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: But there was just an excitement of watching, you know, 291 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: what we did at the end of the year and 292 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: looking to build off and make it even greater, make 293 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: it even tougher to play against. So that's the fun part, Like, gosh, 294 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: what if we add this piece to what we're doing, 295 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: you know, imagine the impact that could have. Right, We've 296 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: actually like ten questions about Lamar in some capacity. So 297 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: we're going to continue on that. Yeah, we're gonna stay it. 298 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: Stick there for a little bit. Go back to the 299 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: Combine last year. Obviously the Combine is next week. What 300 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: did you think last year at the Combine when you 301 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: watched Lamar? And it's interesting to me because last year, 302 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: when Ozzie was asked about him, he said very clearly, 303 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: we're evaluating him as a quarterback. There was all the 304 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: talk about why receiver, all that stuff, like what did 305 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: you think when you met with Lamar if you did, 306 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: and when you watched him during the combined drills. We 307 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: met with Lamar um not not in the big room, 308 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: We met with him over in the train station. Um. 309 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: I thought what you saw with him was confidence the 310 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: biggest thing you saw. And it's funny because you know, 311 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: we have guys out there on the field, Coaches go 312 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: down and work some of the drills and scouts that 313 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: are down there helping out with different stations, and they 314 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: get feedback. They get their own individual feedback from watching 315 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: our coaches are there. Coach Urban was down the field, 316 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: so he was able to be down there while the 317 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: quarterbacks were throwing. And then our other scouts, Andrew was 318 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: down there. Andrew Fael and the scouts that are running 319 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: the groups talk about how this guy's the alpha. And 320 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: Andrew gets the chance to see it, and they all, 321 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: you know, Lamar was the leader. The guys gravitated to Lamar. 322 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: So you got I think probably if I if you 323 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: come out of that combine with the big guess thing 324 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: we felt about Lamar was his leadership and the way 325 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: people gravitated towards him, even though there may have been 326 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: some other highly talented quarterbacks in his group. So um, 327 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: that would I would say, would be the biggest takeaway 328 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: from from Indy. You know, it's interesting, Yeah, And what 329 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: did you think last year when there was all that 330 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: wide receiver talker? You just like, this is insane. No, 331 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: because he's a great athlete, right, you know, so I 332 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: understand people Lamar is not His fit isn't for every offense, 333 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: and so if you're evaluating a player, um, and your 334 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: offense doesn't call for the run game, the athletic style 335 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: of play, you know, how would we best choose this guy? Well, 336 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: he'd be he'd be a great dual threat, a great weapon, 337 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: you know. Put him. Yeah, you know so, I I 338 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: understand that. But we felt strongly that he could play 339 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: quarterback for us, and uh and if we took him, 340 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: we adjust obviously the way we do things offensive the 341 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: late to best fit him. And that's what our coach 342 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: just trying to do last year and that's what we're 343 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: building off of going forward. Alright, So enough of more 344 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: questions for the time. You might circle back to that 345 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: at some point, but let's dive into some different position 346 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: groups just to see what you think. In the natural 347 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: spot way always talk about it as wide receiver. So 348 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: what is your take on this year's receiver class? Again, 349 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: it's a it's a pretty deep group, um, you know, 350 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: top tier receivers. I think everyone's gonna probably have different 351 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: guys at the top. There's not an a j Green, 352 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: There's there's not a Julio Jones, a guy who everyone's like, 353 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: this is the the top guy. Um. But there's guys 354 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: i'd say in the first, second, third rounds that haven't 355 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: gonna have a chance to come in and be stars 356 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 1: in the NFL. Um It's a position that takes time 357 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: a lot of times. You know, there's a lot of 358 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: different things they do in in college versus pro at 359 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 1: that position. So obviously you got a guy. You gotta 360 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: get a guy that can adjust and develop on the 361 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: fly and hopefully help us. All right, Can I run 362 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: my theory of what we need at wide receiver by you? Sure? 363 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: Kind of? Yeah? Okay. One thing I noticed is that 364 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: Joe has no notice. You have to lock it in 365 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: your memory, all right. So my feeling is an offense, 366 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: it's probably not going to throw the ball as many 367 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 1: times as other offenses compared to other office You can't 368 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: be dropping the ball. That's first and for its right, 369 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: whatever passings that we have got to catch them. We'd 370 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: like that as we But even when we throw the 371 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 1: ball fifty times a game, we like exactly, I think 372 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: that's whole thing would like, right, But with like Drew Brees, 373 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: like you're throwing it, like you know, fifty times a game, 374 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 1: you can drop a couple you're gonna hit it on 375 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: the next play, Drew only through it. That's true. You're 376 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: you're right, You're right anyway, So you gotta have a 377 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: guy who catches the ball, for I think a good catch, 378 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 1: like can make difficult catches. That's because I think that like, 379 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: let's just Lamar is not Drew brees to another thing, 380 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: Like it's not gonna be seen the numbers all the time. 381 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: He has all the arm talent in the world. He 382 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 1: can make every throw, but he's not the most accurate 383 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: guy right now, right, So guys got to be able 384 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: to pluck it, blow high whatever, okay, And that could 385 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: be a small guy, that could be a big guy 386 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 1: with a big wingspan, whatever. Just gotta make tough catches. 387 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: And they gotta make big plays because you gotta be 388 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: like we were talking about before, whether it's speed or size, 389 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: going up be an old box somebody out. You gotta 390 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: be able to make big plays because we gotta hit them. 391 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: Like Lamar is not gonna be a guy probably that 392 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: just like we're gonna have a lot of You don't 393 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: want to put him in third and four and he 394 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: has to complete passes for first sounds five times on 395 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: a drive, right, like not a dink and dunk offense. 396 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: Lamar probably probably a ground of pound and hit them 397 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: with big shots in the passing game kind of offense ideally. 398 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: Now do you agree with them? Um? Well, I think 399 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 1: it's unknown number one al right, because you gotta remember 400 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: our Lamar became our starting quarterback. What week we had 401 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: six weeks seven weeks left in the season. Okay, so 402 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: our offense adjusted on the fly. Now they had built 403 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: those things in during camp. They put put a foundation in. 404 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: But I think you're gonna see a dramatic difference in 405 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: our offense next year after a year be you know, 406 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: where they've had a full offseason to really develop and 407 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: fine tune things and come up with new ideas and 408 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:09,199 Speaker 1: and be creative and get Lamar doing the things he 409 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: does best and spread and widen his scope of things. 410 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: But I think the situation we were unless our coaches 411 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 1: did a phenomenal job. I mean, you're talking about changing 412 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: the offense on the fly without a bye week, right, yeah, 413 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: I mean we just we don't think we had. But 414 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: where is everyone going the bye week? The Tigers are 415 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 1: here for two days and they're gone, all right, So 416 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: you really so they're up in the room cooking it 417 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 1: all up. But you know, then we got to serve 418 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: the meal and in a week of practice and get ready. 419 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,199 Speaker 1: So they did a heck of a job. And and 420 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: I just think next year you're going to see more 421 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: things and and more wrinkles added, So we might be 422 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: throwing it more on third and four, you know. And 423 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 1: you know, now, the great thing about the way our 424 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: offense executed last year, on third and four, we're getting 425 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: the first down, rounding gusts and pound and Dixon. Yeah, 426 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: if you didn't get it, you're still probably going forward 427 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: on fourth down. So um, so you know, we I 428 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: think there'll be some wrinkles and and changes in our offense. 429 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: And I firmly believe that the confidence we have in 430 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: Lamar and the confidence he has himself going forward as 431 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: a pastor, will continue to grow and growing grow. So 432 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: just to recap your ideal receiver, good hands, big playability, 433 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: great catch RADI yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's all that's 434 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 1: all I want. Yeah, that's that's one receiver that has 435 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: been mocked to the Ravens at times. And I think 436 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: is some people be a lot and is one of 437 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: the guys and people are talking about his DK Metcalf 438 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: there's been pictures of him online with just looking huge. 439 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 1: He was your reaction when you saw that picture of 440 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: him yoked up? Who's the defensive end? I know? You know, no, 441 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,719 Speaker 1: I mean he was joked up. Now the other thing 442 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: is is he literally just got Now, you guys know 443 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: me and people can't see me right now, but if 444 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: they could, they could tell that I'm not a big 445 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: workout work. He kind of looks like me, like do 446 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 1: you ever catch yourself in the draft being and you 447 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 1: yourself and you're like, you know, if I thought about 448 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: what Mink looks like without his shirt off, with his 449 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 1: shirt off, that's what it looks like DK Metcalf. But 450 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,719 Speaker 1: like so with him, he just got on lifting, so 451 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: he's swollen a little bit from the lift. He's a 452 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: big dude, and I've seen him at the school and 453 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: he was He's a big guy. He's big and he's 454 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 1: trapped together. I mean, if you say to yourself, what 455 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: is the prototypical big, strong wide receiver look like the 456 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: DK Metcalf. So we'll see what he looks like in 457 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: Indie when he's you know, not just gotten done lifting 458 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: and but like for a combine, I would think that 459 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: that is really important for a guy like that, because 460 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: I think a question on him is like, honestly, is 461 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: he too big? And so how does he look at 462 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: a combine? How does he look moving around? Right? Yeah, 463 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: it does. You can be too big at any position. 464 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: You can be too muscular, I think, at any position 465 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: if it prohibits your flexibility and shows it creates a 466 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 1: little stiffness in your movement. So yeah, you wanna you 467 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: gotta keep the flexibility in your body. So if he can, 468 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: if he goes out and looks flexible still, and you 469 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: know which I expect him to be because he is 470 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: a really athletic kid, so I think he'll be fine. 471 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: But we'll see, you know, that's that's what we do, 472 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: you know, combine pro day, So we'll see if it's 473 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: if he's gotten too big, itast prohibiting his ability to 474 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: play the position. What are your thoughts on his game? 475 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: Just watching tape? Now, he's there's a little rawnest to him. 476 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 1: His production is not as great as you like in 477 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: terms of a receiver in college coming into the pros. 478 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: He doesn't have a lot of production over the years. 479 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 1: He has some, and but the things to jump out 480 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,959 Speaker 1: at you are his ability to go get the ball vertical. 481 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: All right, you talking about a guy making big plays, playmaking. 482 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: He can go get the ball vertical. He's got strong hands. 483 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: He does drop some balls make so you might be 484 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: a little upset, right because like he's got some drops 485 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: where you're like, oh, why did he drop that ball? 486 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: That being said, he can use his frame, he can 487 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: make the contested catch and out must corner who's trying 488 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: to come over top him for the ball. And he's 489 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 1: strong and physical after the cash. So he's three. Yeah, 490 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 1: that's what they say. I don't know if he'll run 491 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: that fast, but he's gonna run pretty fast, suspect. All right, 492 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: So let's move it to running back. That's been a 493 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: position that you've addressed kind of in these middle rounds here. 494 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: But I think that there's a lot of interests and 495 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: potentially adding one of these playmaking game breaking Greg Roman 496 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 1: talked about look at Jamal Lewis, guy would be great, 497 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 1: It would be great. Yet, Yeah, you know, I think 498 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: with that position, do you want guys with the big physical, 499 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: great contact balance vision, you know, just the way we 500 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: play the game, the way we're doing it, we don't 501 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: need scatbacks, you know, we're coming downhill act you were. 502 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: We want that big, physical, explosive runner and there's guys 503 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: in this draft that can do that. And um, you 504 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: know the great thing about the running back position, and 505 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 1: I think we've kind of shown that this year. You know, 506 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: we had two backs that I think averaged over five 507 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: yards of carrier at least it felt like that way 508 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: for this year. Um. But Gus and Kenneth did a 509 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: great job and they're both We got one in the 510 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 1: fourth round, one in post draft free agency. UM. So 511 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 1: I love those two and I think they did a 512 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: great They were extremely important to our offense last year, 513 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 1: and I think they'll have a great role going forward. 514 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,439 Speaker 1: And if we have the opportunity to add someone to 515 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,360 Speaker 1: those two would be great. One of the guys who 516 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: it could be is Josh Jacobs. That's who mal Kuiper 517 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 1: has mocked to us at twenty two Alabama not right, 518 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: not at a Colby college. But just what do you 519 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 1: think of him? Uh, talented player. You know, he's playing 520 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 1: in an offense similar um in terms of a lot 521 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,199 Speaker 1: of the gun runs, a lot of pistol runs they do. 522 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: He does a little bit more outside type running. UM, 523 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 1: but he's got tremendous balance strength, He runs very hard. 524 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 1: He's a great kid, and he's also versatile in the 525 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 1: sense of he's a weapon. To use him as a 526 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 1: weapon in the passing game, both out of the backfield 527 00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 1: every once in a while to line him up in 528 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: the slot and throw him you know, I'm running a 529 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 1: little jerk routes, option routes underneath, or run the same 530 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: and try to beat a linebacker safety of the seame 531 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: and they'll throw him the ball vertically. And they did 532 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 1: it more probably on the last year's tape UM seventeen 533 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: than they did this year in terms of running along 534 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 1: the vertical routes up the middle. But he can do that, 535 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: he can catch and adjust to the ball, so and 536 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: he also returns kickoff, so he has some kickoff for 537 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: term production. So very versatile player who's just wired right 538 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: and great kid. I know Eric after last year's draft 539 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 1: said one of his regrets was that he didn't get 540 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: a running back just it just didn't fall that way. 541 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: And I think the year before Ozzy was made it 542 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: clear that he was interested in Leonard for Nett coming 543 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,959 Speaker 1: out of who eventually went to Jacksonville. Uh, would you 544 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: be surprised if we don't come out of this year's 545 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: draft with a running back, because is that an area 546 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 1: where you guys are like, all right, we'd like to 547 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: get a running back. Um. I think there's some positions 548 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 1: you go into every draft like it would be nice 549 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: to add in this. You know, I think you'd ultimately 550 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: like to add offensive lineman every draft because you just 551 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: want to keep that thing rolling, right, yeah, right, the 552 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: line is good to add death and and because we do, 553 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: I mean, we do a great job of developing those 554 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: two positions, and guys move on. I mean, look at 555 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: our offensive line. We've three years in a row we've 556 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: had I think the highest paid guy at his position, 557 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: right ko you know, so um, all those guys. One 558 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: was the second, one was the fifth, one was the 559 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: six I think, yeah, the order, um, and so you 560 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 1: know yeah, and and actually the year before I think 561 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: we lost Mike right. Um, so these guys, it's it's 562 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 1: nice to have that stacking the next guy up at 563 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 1: the offensive line. Defensive line, same thing, um, you know, 564 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: and then running back, yeah, you definitely it's a position 565 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: where they do get beat up a little bit. And um, 566 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 1: so you know, it would be nice to add one 567 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: more guy to the stable, like again, two guys that 568 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: that carried the book of the load force at the 569 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 1: end of the year did great. And then uh, we 570 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: also got some guys last year. It's funny we didn't 571 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 1: draft one, but we got three really good post draft 572 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 1: rick agents that all actually we're either on a pract 573 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: squad and two of them played for some games this year, 574 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 1: and um, de LANs was one that we had some 575 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: good feel for it. You obviously got hurt and kept 576 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: him on the hour in the middle of the year, 577 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: but um, you know, so we're excited about the young 578 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: backs we have and if we had a chance to 579 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: add another one, it would be great. So you you 580 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: mentioned offensive line, and there's been a lot of talk 581 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: about that, you know, Greg talks about the other day 582 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 1: that it kind of all starts there. Do you feel 583 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: like upgrading the interior offensive line, particularly because tackle seems 584 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: like it's we're pretty good shape right now in terms 585 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: of our starters and some death with last year and 586 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: not I think looks pretty good. But anyway, do you 587 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: feel like upgrading the interior offensive line is a priority 588 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: this year? I think you definitely again adding adding guys 589 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: in there to one challenge. You know, we'll see Goose, 590 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: you know, not Goose. Um Bozeman. He's coming back, and 591 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: you know he's got his second year of his second 592 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: year under him. A luminour swing guy guard. He's probably 593 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: you know, more entrenched attack right now, but he has 594 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: the versatility to go in. He played inside for us 595 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: the past two years and in times of need, so 596 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: um having that flexibility with him, and he did. He 597 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: held up pretty well when he was a tackle, so 598 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: you know, he's I think his future may be in tackled. 599 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: But to have that flexibility from to jump inside guard 600 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: obviously hursts. Versatility to play all four spots is huge. 601 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: Um Scret is going to come back another year more experienced, 602 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: second year starter. UM, you know. So yes, it'd be 603 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,239 Speaker 1: nice to get add bodies in there, Um, but you know, 604 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: to say they're going to come in and beat out 605 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: the guys that have worked hard and gotten a year 606 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: better and a year more developed that I wouldn't say 607 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: that that's a lock that we can do. But definitely 608 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: you want guys for the future, you know, to me, 609 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: you definitely want to keep stacking that thing. We can't 610 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: let that position get weak, right And and you have 611 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: guys that you know yonda Hulo is how much he 612 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: played and stuff like that. Part of and you know, 613 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: and and Alex when he played. He's out there playing 614 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: for us. He's a really good job, but he's had 615 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: some trouble staying healthy, you know. So hopefully we can 616 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,239 Speaker 1: get him going and and get back to where he 617 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: was and and add bodies and add depth to those positions. 618 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: What one guy that's been mentioned in connection with the 619 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: Ravens is Cody Forda out of Oklahoma. I don't know 620 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: if that's re Landa Brown starting those room. Where would 621 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: it be kind of cool to potentially pair up somebody, 622 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: you know, another guy from the Oklahoma Yeah, you know Oklahoma. 623 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: They have four guys in the draft this year. Yeah, 624 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: they're Ben Powers Powers, right, you know, Ben's the right guard, 625 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: Drew to me is the left guard, and Bobby Evans 626 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 1: is the left tackle there so and then you got 627 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: Cody as the right tackle and there that's a fun 628 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: group to watch now, I mean you look at the 629 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: first of all across the board, you're looking at pro 630 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: bodies number one, and then just the mentality they all 631 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: play with their physical you know, you see Orlando's influence 632 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: in the guys he left behind. It's just kind of cool, 633 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: you know. And uh and his friends with a lot 634 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: of those guys, So yeah, it'd be cool, it'd be 635 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: it would be great to add one of his former teammates. 636 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: You know, he's close to Mark and he was fired 637 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: you know, they were fired up to be taken together. 638 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: So um, yeah, it's good, right. But I think that's 639 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,719 Speaker 1: a cool thing for any player, Um that when they 640 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: get to the pros to be able to get one 641 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 1: of their former teammates, guys that they played with, not 642 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: necessarily you know, four years of the road. Yeah, I 643 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: remember that kid. He was a freshman, but a guy 644 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: who's fresh off of his you know, the the year 645 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: after and add him to the mix because they know 646 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: if they're a great resource for us to really he 647 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: asked Orlando about, Hey, we're telling me about the Oklahoma guys. 648 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: He knows what it means to be a raven now. 649 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: Now he knew before he wasn't all right, But the 650 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: rest of the guys, the rookies, they understand now what 651 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: it takes to be a raven. The mindset, the mentality, 652 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,239 Speaker 1: the way we work around here, the way coach has 653 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: got things set up and what he demands are you 654 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: so we can say to them, hey, can this guy 655 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: survive here? Does this guy fit in here? Does this 656 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: guy have what it takes to be one of us? 657 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: And they'll they'll be honest because well, they may be 658 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 1: a Sooner or they may be a tiger, and they 659 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: may be a out down a tiger. You know, they 660 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: know the ravens now so they're pretty honest. You know. 661 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 1: In terms of that, I don't know, you know, if 662 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: if they don't see it, you know. A quick question 663 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: about Orlando Obviously last year he had I mean, let's 664 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: be honest, one of the worst combine performances that a 665 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 1: guy could have. And at the time he was one 666 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: of the guys that people were talking about as a 667 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: first round option for us. So when you go through, 668 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: take me back to this time last year, you finished 669 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: the combine, you see Orlando Brown have a really poor 670 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: combine showing are you at all thinking, you know what, 671 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: we might get this guy all of a sudden the 672 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: third round because we know he can play, Like, is 673 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: that where your mind goes? You're disappointed for the guy 674 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: and all that, but you're thinking, you know what, we 675 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: may have a changed Yeah. I I don't know if 676 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: it necessary happens in that exact moment um. And in 677 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: fairness to Orlando, I love him to death, all right. 678 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 1: I never expected him to have it. And I don't 679 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: think anyone at the Combine expected Orlando and to blow 680 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: up the comb right now. Maybe the bench numbers, they 681 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: may have thought he'd be stronger and uh, but I 682 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: don't think anyone there was expecting Orlando Brown to run 683 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: a five one, all right. I just don't think anyone was. 684 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: I think that's not his game. His game is being big, long, physical, tough, 685 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: staying on his feet and trying to beat the ever 686 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: living out of you, you know. And uh, that's what 687 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: he did at Oklahoma and that's what he's done here. Um. 688 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: You know, obviously he's a great kid. He's intelligent, he 689 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: understands the game of football. Um, And I think, yes, 690 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: the people that were high on him, uh may have 691 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: let that justify bringing them down. But I feel like 692 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: we as a group kind of had a good feel 693 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: for where he was before the Combine and I don't 694 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: think it really shifted much, you know, um with Orlando 695 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: and in our room, like you know, would he have 696 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: been a first round pick if he ran a five 697 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: one forty and bench thirty two and vertical thirty inches, yeah, 698 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: he probably would have. But I'm I'd be surprised for 699 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 1: someone to say, man, I'm shocked that he ran that 700 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: slow or he you know, because I just again, I 701 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: think the bench was probably the biggest surprising number, you know. 702 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 1: But the thing about him thinking I loved about him 703 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 1: is I went to his pro day two weeks later, 704 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: myself and Kevin Waddle were there or Southwest count and 705 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 1: he improved on every single number that he did, and 706 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 1: he did everything, and a lot of guys like, you 707 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: know what, I'm not doing it, you know, I just 708 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: he ran again, he benched again, he jumped again, he 709 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: did everything again, and the that was cool and of 710 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: the south, the way he competed, and he obviously worked 711 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 1: for two weeks to get better. But then when you 712 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 1: saw the teammates rally around him, the senior teammates that 713 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 1: were there, and then all those juniors that we're gonna 714 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: be talking about this year, they all were there when 715 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 1: he benched. I mean, you couldn't get in. It looked 716 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 1: like Tom Brady at the super Bank. Damn me. I 717 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 1: was like chats heell, you know, actually I look more 718 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: like what's her name? Um, the reporter that Chad was protecting, 719 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: you know, So I mean, you know, I'm not Tracy Wilson. 720 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: I looked more like Tracy Wilson trying to wiggle my 721 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: way in. I was looking for a Chad seal to 722 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: break everyone else so I could see. But I mean 723 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: it was packed. It was packed, and uh so that 724 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: was cool to see, like everybody was just cheering them 725 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: on and fired up for him. So it's you also 726 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: talked about the edge rushers and how this year is 727 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 1: a really good class. I mean there's just the names 728 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,240 Speaker 1: some people for those listening, Jachai Polite out of Florida, 729 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: Montez Sweat out of Mississippi State, Brian Burns out of 730 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: Florida State, Cloon and Ferrell out of Clemson, Jalen ferguson 731 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,720 Speaker 1: Law Tech. That's to show that we do some research. 732 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 1: There's also Bosa in this year's draft. You know, some 733 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: of these topping guys. I'm not even mentioning the real topic, guys. 734 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: Uh So, just you know, what's your take on this 735 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 1: edge class and do you feel like this is a 736 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: year where you know, Terrell Suggs is a free agent. 737 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,320 Speaker 1: We don't know as of now whether he's going to 738 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: be back. Is this the year where, say, hey, if 739 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,720 Speaker 1: we're gonna look for that Roll Souaks replacement, I'm putting 740 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: air quotes out there because you're not gonna draft a 741 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: whole famer necessary that this would be the year. Yeah. 742 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, again, that's kind of like offensive line. 743 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: That's one of the positions you always want to just 744 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,240 Speaker 1: keep stacking guys at, you know, and because you're gonna 745 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 1: have guys move on. You know, Z's a free agent 746 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 1: this year. We had it happened with parnell Um a 747 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 1: few years back. So um, you know, we're trying to 748 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 1: we've we've tried to get guys in and you know, 749 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: the book ain't been written yet on the ones we 750 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 1: we drafted the past couple of years. So um, I'm 751 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 1: hoping that right now that they're seeing the opportunity in 752 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: front of them and they're gonna they're gonna bust their 753 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 1: butt to get in here and take advantage of it. 754 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,240 Speaker 1: If we end up, if we do end up losing 755 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,239 Speaker 1: some of those guys, but I mean, you know, we 756 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 1: took Jude On in the sixth round, you know, and 757 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 1: he's developed into a really good player force and you know, 758 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 1: we took z in the fourth round. He's turned into 759 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 1: you know, we took you know, some of the guys 760 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 1: take a little bit. Tim Krueger, we took in the 761 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 1: second you know, greet the benefits until that Super Bowl year. 762 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 1: He had a decent third year, but that fourth year 763 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,800 Speaker 1: is when he really really clicked for and some guys 764 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,840 Speaker 1: at that position take a little bit of time. Um, 765 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 1: but yeah, you definitely want to keep adding guys and 766 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,280 Speaker 1: if we can do it early or in the middle rounds, 767 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 1: you know, when the if the opportunity presents itself, will 768 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,319 Speaker 1: do it. So I guess that's that's gonna be your 769 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 1: answer about Thaias Bowser and Tim Williams, that it just 770 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 1: it could click for them in year three. Yeah, you hope. 771 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,960 Speaker 1: So definitely absolutely, I mean, and they both have shown 772 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 1: flashes of it. I mean, what Tim have to to 773 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,360 Speaker 1: two and a half saction three games in the preseason. 774 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 1: You're saying no, in the regular season he had, but 775 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:42,880 Speaker 1: he had some. He has some. He was giving us 776 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,799 Speaker 1: some heat early on preseason. You look good and then 777 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 1: Taias you know, he's a little bit more of your 778 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,359 Speaker 1: He's not quite the same type of linebacker. He's more 779 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 1: of an athletic guy, versatile. You can do a lot 780 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,479 Speaker 1: of different things with him. But he's showing some rush 781 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 1: ability and I probably at his rookie year he had 782 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 1: that critical sack against Pittsburgh where he just flat out 783 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,720 Speaker 1: one the rep and he beat the right tackle, dipped 784 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 1: around the edge, got to bend like that in a 785 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,319 Speaker 1: critical moment um. So it's there and uh, you know, 786 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 1: he just you know, we push these guys, but you know, 787 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 1: and we need them to you know, meet us there, 788 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 1: and I think they will. I think just some guys 789 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 1: take time, you know, right right, awesome, I appreciate the time. 790 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,280 Speaker 1: By next week, we'll bug you again while we're at Nanny. 791 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,279 Speaker 1: But I was always gonna catch up, all right. Well, 792 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: thank you to Joe. Always one of my favorite guys interview. 793 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 1: Just the best friend of the lounge. He has a 794 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 1: great friend of the lounge. Uh so, really good stuff 795 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 1: from him. And the combine is gonna be really interesting 796 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 1: this year. I mean, DK Metcast is gonna be an 797 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,359 Speaker 1: interesting guy to watch. There's gonna be a lot of 798 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: buzz around Kyler Murray and a lot of probably talk 799 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:49,399 Speaker 1: about Lamar Jackson and Kyler UH comparisons. So it's gonna 800 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 1: be fun. Garrett is gonna be there. As we said 801 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,719 Speaker 1: at the top, are tons of good coverage. I'll be 802 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 1: back here do what I do best watching all of 803 00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 1: our good coverage, eating bombonds. I have a beer. Um. Anyway, 804 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,319 Speaker 1: thank you for listening, and we will be back with you, 805 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 1: hopefully next week. You're going to be an indie. We 806 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 1: have to get the post Combine report the week after, 807 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 1: but make sure you keep it locked for everything Combine related.