Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? Oh my goodness, everybody, welcome back to
Speaker 1: Are You a Charlotte? We have a very special guest today.
Speaker 1: This is my first time meeting her. She is amazing.
Speaker 1: Her name is Mickey Guiton. Mickey is a singer songwriter
Speaker 1: who is known for her single what Are You Going
Speaker 1: to Tell?
Speaker 2: Her?
Speaker 1: And Black Like Me? And she became the first black
Speaker 1: woman to ever be nominated in the Best Country Solo
Speaker 1: Performance category. So she is a joy. She's also on
Speaker 1: a show called The Singer, which is China's most competitive
Speaker 1: music show, which has an average of one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifteen million viewers. One hundred and fifteen million viewers. It's insane.
Speaker 1: She is a country music star. I don't like her, right,
Speaker 1: I look very Are you look amazing? Okay? I love
Speaker 1: your hair, I love your holl loook. My daughter would
Speaker 1: be like, how do I make that happen? I didn't
Speaker 1: hear all the details? Amazing, I would not have looked
Speaker 1: like this. Well, you look fantastic and I love it
Speaker 1: so much. And do you live here or do you
Speaker 1: live in Nashville? I live here in Nashville. Great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so my bed as a lawyer and he practices
Speaker 2: out here. Got it, And so I guess I am
Speaker 2: a Charlotte.
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll get there. We'll get there. You wait, you wait,
Speaker 1: we'll get there. But that's great. My publicist and best
Speaker 1: friend also lives in Nashville and here, and she has
Speaker 1: chickens and horses and all this stuff there. I don't
Speaker 1: have that, but yet. Well, I mean, one day you
Speaker 1: could get that if you want that. That's really why
Speaker 1: she moved there, because she wanted to the land that
Speaker 1: ye have that life back or really I guess for
Speaker 1: the first time. But she she missed it, so she
Speaker 1: feels awesome. Yeah, she loves it so much. This is great. Sometimes.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of flying involved. Yes, we
Speaker 1: can flight. It's it's tough. Yeah. It could be worse though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it could be worse. It could be worse. I was
Speaker 1: just in China. That flight was very long. Because you're
Speaker 1: on to show that. I was about this, so I
Speaker 1: got the opportunity. It's basically what I like to describe it.
Speaker 2: The show is called The Singer, and I would describe
Speaker 2: it as like Master Chef for singers.
Speaker 1: Okay, and you're getting judged by the audience. There's no judges.
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
Speaker 2: But it's all professional singers like jesse Ja has done this.
Speaker 2: Charlie Pooth was there. Wow, a guy a Christian vocalist
Speaker 2: named and Voice winner Jordan Smith was on it, and
Speaker 2: Adam Lambert.
Speaker 1: It's a really massive show.
Speaker 2: And I was out there for three months and I
Speaker 2: competed with artists from around the world, Chinese artists.
Speaker 1: Wow. That was crazy. Wow. I have been to China
Speaker 1: and the jet lag. Oh, it's so painful.
Speaker 2: I'm still I've been back for almost a month and
Speaker 2: I'm still exhausted.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's hard, really hard. It's really hard.
Speaker 2: And I even got this like Circadian rhythm. It's called
Speaker 2: the flight Kit.
Speaker 1: I've seen it.
Speaker 2: It works, but I've worked when I was there, But
Speaker 2: when I came back I didn't take it properly.
Speaker 1: I was just done. Yeah, okay, I've seen it. I'm
Speaker 1: always like, no, no, it work. It really does work.
Speaker 1: Will be fighting for your life. That's amazing. So do
Speaker 1: you continue with this show or is it? Are you done?
Speaker 1: I'm done? I got second place, got it? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was me.
Speaker 2: It was such a My son went with me. Out
Speaker 2: there my husband, and it was just such an.
Speaker 1: Eye opening experience. I can't even imagine being on a
Speaker 1: competition show in it. Yeah. Wow, it was wild. Also
Speaker 1: didn't have some kind of insane audience like one hundred
Speaker 1: and twelve million people or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Crazy, It was like every week it was like
Speaker 2: singing at the super Bowl every week.
Speaker 1: It was insane.
Speaker 2: There's so many people in China and I was just
Speaker 2: getting exposed to such a really cool audience.
Speaker 1: Wow. It gave me gifts amazing. Oh that is one
Speaker 1: thing when you travel in Asia, they give you gifts
Speaker 1: and made me feel like a terrible person. Is all
Speaker 1: I did was bring merch and I was like, here's
Speaker 1: a shirt.
Speaker 2: While they're giving me like one hundred flower bouquets.
Speaker 1: Oh. The sweetish thing about Asian culture, don't you think?
Speaker 1: It's very polite? And they also squeal in a very
Speaker 1: high pitched way. Do you want to know my nickname?
Speaker 1: Tell me? They started calling me mama, mommy, mommy. I started, God, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's so nice. Did they also sometimes cry all.
Speaker 2: The time all the time, like they're very you know,
Speaker 2: it made me really think about you know, especially Asians
Speaker 2: here in America and after experiencing like their hearts and
Speaker 2: the love and the sensitivity and how they wear their
Speaker 2: hearts on their sleeves. It made me think of Asian
Speaker 2: hate so much more out here because.
Speaker 1: There's a sweetness. Yeah, there's a sweetness, and that is
Speaker 1: I don't think understood necessarily as a cultural phenomenon. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know that when we when we did the films,
Speaker 1: we went to Tokyo, I guess it was the second film,
Speaker 1: and first of all, it was next level type production
Speaker 1: to have anything entertainment related. I mean, he rose out
Speaker 1: of a stage like something that you guys do in
Speaker 1: a music world, you know, we rose out of a stage.
Speaker 1: We were terrified. We were like, what do you do
Speaker 1: when you guys out of stage? Then when we got
Speaker 1: to the top, we had to walk down this staircase.
Speaker 1: Oh god, I believe they're Justica and I held hands
Speaker 1: and then while all the meanwhile there I think there's smoke,
Speaker 1: like squealing right the whole time. And then by the
Speaker 1: time we got down there tears tears from the audience.
Speaker 1: I mean it was so it's so beautiful, sweet and beautiful,
Speaker 1: and you do just want to hug everybody, you know.
Speaker 1: It's a very warm, warm feeling. Same with the airport. Yes,
Speaker 1: people are there with huge gifts.
Speaker 2: Yes, at the airport, they're at the hotels, right, everybody.
Speaker 2: You just have gifts that Like I said, I was like,
Speaker 2: here's a mert shirt, thank you for this bac stemware
Speaker 2: that you just got me literally someone, Yes, I couldn't
Speaker 2: believe it.
Speaker 1: I mean, if it's your merch, I feel like that's nice. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: right nice, But it's not Bachara. You can't give it
Speaker 1: backward to everyone, I don't think. And how would you
Speaker 1: carry you? Yeah? Right, yeah, but it is very lovely
Speaker 1: fan experience, and sometimes they'll write you letters that they
Speaker 1: are I mess from Hong Kong. Yeah, it's very, very fascinating. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, we're going to talk about the second. This
Speaker 1: is what's wonderful about Mickey. She's younger than me. I
Speaker 1: don't know how much. I'm not going to ask her,
Speaker 1: but she loves the show. It's so so wonderful, and
Speaker 1: I'm always happy to meet new people who love the show.
Speaker 1: And I love to ask people when did you first
Speaker 1: watch it? So I first So I was really.
Speaker 2: Young when Sex and the City came out, so I
Speaker 2: wasn't able to watch it when I was in high school,
Speaker 2: but I've watched all the seasons since I was probably
Speaker 2: about twenty one and forty two.
Speaker 1: Now got it.
Speaker 2: So it's been a huge part of my life the movies.
Speaker 1: Like I definitely got all dressed up. I went to
Speaker 1: the movie theater to see the vie. It was just
Speaker 1: like I cursed the day you were born. So that
Speaker 1: was a good line. That was really good. I think
Speaker 1: it's really great to this day. Thank you, hold up,
Speaker 1: hold up. It says everything that you need to say.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 1: I should remember that line more often in my own line.
Speaker 1: You know that is a useful useful lines. It's a
Speaker 1: useful lie, really is. Thank you for reminding me that's true.
Speaker 1: We haven't gotten to the movies yet. One day we'll
Speaker 1: get to the movies. But luckily we're kind of in
Speaker 1: where you were here to help us with episode three
Speaker 1: h two, which is in my mind when I think back,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if this is going to be
Speaker 1: true when I'm rewatching, but when I think back of that,
Speaker 1: the heyday, like the amazing part of our show when
Speaker 1: everything jelled and came together. It's season three. Yes, I
Speaker 1: love season three so much. And when. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you listen to the podcast, but I've been rewatching
Speaker 1: since the beginning, and I was very impressed with season
Speaker 1: one Season two because in my mind, we were still
Speaker 1: finding our elves. It wasn't all together, the writing and
Speaker 1: the acting and the you know everything. And now now
Speaker 1: I realized that all the pieces were there, and maybe
Speaker 1: some episodes were this or that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I thought it was perfect from start to finish. It's
Speaker 2: interesting from your perspective to hear that, you know, because
Speaker 2: sometimes you're not objective, right obviously, and also you remember
Speaker 2: what it felt like, also more so than the finished product.
Speaker 1: And so like for first season, we filmed the whole
Speaker 1: thing without anything airing, which is common now in streaming,
Speaker 1: but back then with regular like TV, you would you
Speaker 1: would be on the air and you would know what
Speaker 1: the fan reaction was, or what the ratings were, or
Speaker 1: whatever thing you cared about. And luckily HBO didn't really
Speaker 1: care about anything, which was great. They just they just
Speaker 1: wanted us to find our way, and they gave us
Speaker 1: space and they were super supportive, you know, which is awesome,
Speaker 1: so rare, so rare in our business, you know, music
Speaker 1: or especially on the TV right, especially now, it's very different.
Speaker 1: It's very unusual to have that situation. So we're so
Speaker 1: lucky that we did. But when I look back, I mean,
Speaker 1: there's so many great things. This is what's funny about
Speaker 1: this episode. Two. This episode it's called Lord Help Us,
Speaker 1: It's called politically erect you guys, Okay, wow. I mean
Speaker 1: I watched this episode and in my mind, the things
Speaker 1: that I remember about this episode, we were just back
Speaker 1: to work. So whenever we would just come back to work,
Speaker 1: it was usually February and cold, which I didn't think
Speaker 1: about it at all when I was watching this. Often
Speaker 1: when I see it, I'm like, oh, we're freezing right there,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I do think I have
Speaker 1: a cold in it, Like my has a cold in it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I look a little off and my voice is a
Speaker 1: little off, but that's fine. I just you know, it's
Speaker 1: me niitpicking. But we I think this week is the
Speaker 1: weeks we would film two episodes at once. I believe
Speaker 1: this week was one hundred hour week. Oh my god. Yep.
Speaker 1: So you were just on set like twenty four hours
Speaker 1: all the time until the sun came up, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: And we're trying to talk fast like the other thing
Speaker 1: that I watched when I was Because this episode is
Speaker 1: directed by Michael Patrick King he was writing. He had
Speaker 1: come on first season to write. Darren had created the
Speaker 1: show Dren Starr, and then Michael Patrick was our second
Speaker 1: writer who came on and he really understood comedy, which
Speaker 1: was great. So he infused everything with a lot more
Speaker 1: comedic jokes and whatnot. I guess, I mean they're not
Speaker 1: joke jokes, yeah, sitcom, but you know, funny, funny things,
Speaker 1: funny moments. Yeah. And like timing, he was about timing
Speaker 1: and kind of like exact timing, which was important. But
Speaker 1: this episode aired for the first time in the year
Speaker 1: two thousand, which means we made it probably. I think
Speaker 1: we usually came on in June, Yeah, June eleventh, So
Speaker 1: we started filming in February of that year, and then
Speaker 1: the episode would come on in June. Once we got going.
Speaker 1: That was what we did. We'd go in February pretending
Speaker 1: it was the summer freezing in New York. February, it's freezing,
Speaker 1: it's gnarly, and you know what we wear, yeah, tiny
Speaker 1: little girl, really cute thing, thank you. Okay, So here
Speaker 1: we are. We're in Politically Erect now. As I said,
Speaker 1: what I remember about this is Slattery John Slattery, and
Speaker 1: this was his second episode, and I just remember it
Speaker 1: being just fantastic, right, So then when I rewatched it,
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is dark. Yeah, I was kind of, uh,
Speaker 1: it's so irrelevant in like kind of a frightening way.
Speaker 1: I mean I had just so many moments of like,
Speaker 1: oh god, yeah, you know, and also like just how
Speaker 1: different the world is in ways that we could never
Speaker 1: have seen coming in the air two thousand never.
Speaker 2: It's so sad.
Speaker 1: It really is so sad, and it makes me just
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we know that our you know, political
Speaker 1: lives have like created this kind of really negative, argumentative,
Speaker 1: divided one thousand culture, which is so bad for the country.
Speaker 1: It is, i mean, whether we agree or don't agree,
Speaker 1: like the tenor of the conversation is problematic. Isn't that
Speaker 1: so wild?
Speaker 2: Yes, that it's like politics, like what that is has
Speaker 2: like divided a country.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I try my hardest not to straight on talk
Speaker 1: about politics. But we have a show call Politically or Correct,
Speaker 1: and it's literally about a politician who has it been fantasy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really hard not to talk about it, like it's
Speaker 1: so wild, sane, relevant, and the thing about it is
Speaker 1: so interesting and well, let's just talk about this storyline first,
Speaker 1: because it is like super fascinating. I think, for one thing,
Speaker 1: John Slattery is a fantastic actor and a great guy
Speaker 1: and so fun and so loose, which is what I
Speaker 1: remember and think of, of course, And of course since
Speaker 1: then he's been a Madman and he's amazing and everyone
Speaker 1: knows him now, which is such a joy to have
Speaker 1: an actor that we all knew because he's in New
Speaker 1: York and Sarah Jessica knew him and everybody knew him,
Speaker 1: and then to have him go on to this huge
Speaker 1: success is wonderful. But then to see that he actually
Speaker 1: kind of plays an it character and so.
Speaker 2: Well, right, it was so natural, like right, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: And if you think about mad Men, he also kind
Speaker 1: of is an a character. But Slattery's charm is such
Speaker 1: that's it you don't realize, right, Like it kind of
Speaker 1: smooths it over, you know, to where you're just like
Speaker 1: you're handsome and I mean so non threatening. I don't
Speaker 1: know about non threatening.
Speaker 2: He is threatening, right, but like like when they're good
Speaker 2: looking like that, Yeah, like.
Speaker 1: What is it about you? Definitely something most most definitely
Speaker 1: has the it. He has the it factor for sure,
Speaker 1: because I mean, I don't know that. I don't know
Speaker 1: that I would use the word threatening or non threatening.
Speaker 1: But he's so charismatic that in a room you can't
Speaker 1: not be aware of him. You know, in the flag there,
Speaker 1: you just don't know what color it is, yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: You don't know if it's good or bad. But I
Speaker 1: mean slattery in life, it's good. And that's what's funny
Speaker 1: about when you watch the show, you're like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: it's not good, it's bad the character, no, no bueno.
Speaker 1: But slattery in life, yes, yes, yes, all the way. Yes, right,
Speaker 1: he's just a joy. So it's really interesting to look
Speaker 1: back because of course you don't remember what's on the
Speaker 1: screen necessary, right, you remember the vibe you know in
Speaker 1: the room, and you just knew something was coming. You
Speaker 1: just didn't know what it was going to be. And
Speaker 1: this is my other admission about the storyline. I thought
Speaker 1: the way that I remembered it was that he wants
Speaker 1: to pee on Carrie, right, But that is not what
Speaker 1: it is. She wants. He wants her to pee on him.
Speaker 1: What on earth? You know this it's hard to talk about, right,
Speaker 1: but this is the potent the show. Right here we are.
Speaker 1: It's twenty twenty five, and this show came out in
Speaker 1: two thousand, one hundred, two thousand with nothing on it,
Speaker 1: and we still have trouble talking about it. But this
Speaker 1: is what I want to ask you about because you're
Speaker 1: younger than me, so to me, when I look at
Speaker 1: our just culture in general around sexuality, it has advanced,
Speaker 1: right in terms of like people are more free to
Speaker 1: be who they are and to like what they like.
Speaker 1: And you know, they'll say things like, you know, this
Speaker 1: is my kink. It's you know, don't shame it. You know,
Speaker 1: there's that vibe out there, right, But I mean for me,
Speaker 1: it's hard for me to understand that this what do
Speaker 1: you think?
Speaker 2: Well, I just because something similar happened to like one
Speaker 2: of my absolute best friends.
Speaker 1: Oh, tell us all about it. So I can't name
Speaker 1: her name. Of course she would kill me, but it's fine.
Speaker 1: She was dating this guy and I he was a
Speaker 1: little actor, oh handsome, Oh no.
Speaker 2: Like beauty fall really and they were like they just
Speaker 2: came together and like we thought, oh, this is.
Speaker 1: About to be your man, like this is gonna be
Speaker 1: so good. I'm so happy for you. And it was
Speaker 1: all going well until he wanted to sit on her face.
Speaker 1: Oh no, and he had like, oh, oh no, no,
Speaker 1: don't say anything else. Don't say aything else. That's horrible.
Speaker 1: What did she do?
Speaker 2: It was something that she could just it was very
Speaker 2: this whole thing, like she just couldn't follow through with that.
Speaker 1: Like, I guess that's like, but this is what I
Speaker 1: think is really really important. She knock him like whatever
Speaker 1: it is that you do, but that's not I'm not coming.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what's so important is you absolutely
Speaker 1: have to stand up for what is good for you.
Speaker 1: For you, right this we were not prepared for that. No,
Speaker 1: but you know what, this is the show, right, this
Speaker 1: is the thing is that we're going to talk about stuff. Okay,
Speaker 1: But the thing that I think is important is on
Speaker 1: the one hand, yes, let's not knock people for what
Speaker 1: they like. But on the other hand, don't do something
Speaker 1: you're uncomfortable with women, especially I feel, do not do
Speaker 1: something you are comfortable with, not ever, ever, wherever the
Speaker 1: camera is, ever do anything that you're not uncomfortable with.
Speaker 2: You cay say no and you can leave that situation
Speaker 2: definitely often, especially you know, I'm a millennial, Like we
Speaker 2: we're just taught to kind of keep our mouths shut
Speaker 2: and kind of deal with things.
Speaker 1: You feel like, that's true very much so. I think
Speaker 1: there's a lot of unlearning in my generation for sure.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Yeah, I think that's certainly true for my generation.
Speaker 1: I don't even know that we've unlearned it. I don't
Speaker 1: think we have. I think we're trying to unlearn in
Speaker 1: a process. It is a process, like, but that's why
Speaker 1: we talk.
Speaker 2: About it, right right, and the listeners these stories because
Speaker 2: you know, we've all been in compromising situations and you
Speaker 2: can absolute you get out of that. You can say, no,
Speaker 2: this is weird. I don't knock it, but this is
Speaker 2: weird for me, right right.
Speaker 1: And that's a delicate line. But I think that is
Speaker 1: something as a society that we're kind of learning, which
Speaker 1: I think is great because it usually just be like,
Speaker 1: you know, oh my god or whatever, like the you know,
Speaker 1: you can't talk about it, right and not talking about
Speaker 1: it is not helping, you know, Let's talk about it. Definitely. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the joy of our show and our podcast. We
Speaker 1: must also talk about it on podcasts. The thing that
Speaker 1: was so interesting to me. So when we when we
Speaker 1: start the episode, she says, the voiceover says, so I
Speaker 1: had been dating whatever his name is. Hold on my
Speaker 1: politician Bill Kelly. Bill Kelly, such a politician name for
Speaker 1: three weeks. But she's full on in like Jackie O Year,
Speaker 1: which I love so much. She's got the nice sunglasses.
Speaker 1: She says, she went shopping. She found a vintage coat. Yes,
Speaker 1: the flowers are in full bloom. We are suddenly in
Speaker 1: the full bloom carry flower era and it is great.
Speaker 1: I mean, who knew. We certainly did not know at
Speaker 1: the time that this was going to be a huge
Speaker 1: thing that would follow us for thirty years. It never
Speaker 1: has a left. I know. It's durable. It's a durable
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll see dress this nowhere. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I can't wear that because there's a big flower and
Speaker 1: it what a bummer. I'd love to wear it, I
Speaker 1: can't wear it, you know what I mean. It's Carrie right,
Speaker 1: it's so interesting. But that I love that that became
Speaker 1: a thing.
Speaker 2: That's crazy, that that because of you who you are,
Speaker 2: that that's something you have to Yeah, I have to.
Speaker 1: Go through a whole thought process, like oh, that's a
Speaker 1: carry thing I can't wear. And then I'll think like, oh,
Speaker 1: well look at this just and they'll be like, oh,
Speaker 1: see that, Charlotte. But I've been playing for so long while, right,
Speaker 1: But then I'm like, well, do I want to look
Speaker 1: like Charlotte for that event? Or do I not want
Speaker 1: to look like Charlotte for that event? Those are my
Speaker 1: only two choices because it's a lifetime commitment. It's a
Speaker 1: lifelong commitment, but it's a commitment that I'm happy to have.
Speaker 2: Right, Like, I feel like it's a rare, rare thing
Speaker 2: that's lightning in a bottle.
Speaker 1: Definitely what you experienced, Definitely.
Speaker 2: It's the phenomena of that and what that did for
Speaker 2: so many women.
Speaker 1: Thank goodness. It empowered women so much. I know, we
Speaker 1: had no idea. We had no idea that was going
Speaker 1: to Yeah, like, we had no idea, and I stay
Speaker 1: their lives here in the Sex and the City. I
Speaker 1: don't know about that, but that's very sweet. But I
Speaker 1: did also think there was a moment where I'm going
Speaker 1: to jump to the end of their storyline for a second.
Speaker 1: But so basically, here's flattery, his handsome handsome self playing
Speaker 1: this politician, and here's Carrie really like committing to being
Speaker 1: on the campaign trail with him, which I was. I
Speaker 1: didn't remember that. I was like, she's on the campaign
Speaker 1: campaign and they're trying to put buttons on her and
Speaker 1: her vintage jacket, you know what I mean. I was
Speaker 1: it was very impressive. So she's somehow just like fully
Speaker 1: in it, which I feel like, this is the first
Speaker 1: time that you're seeing her maybe the Justin Threaux character,
Speaker 1: also because she loved his family, but this is the
Speaker 1: first time you're seeing her with someone other than where
Speaker 1: you feel like, oh, it might work, which is then
Speaker 1: why it's really sad. Of course when it doesn't work
Speaker 1: because of this thing that he wants her to do
Speaker 1: or she just can't bring herself to do. But at
Speaker 1: the very end, when he so basically she very sweetly
Speaker 1: tries to come up with all the other things she
Speaker 1: could do. She says something like, you know, maybe when
Speaker 1: we're having sex, we could run some water or tea
Speaker 1: some hot tea. Oh my gosh. It made me laugh
Speaker 1: so hard because it was the suitest. She really was
Speaker 1: trying to compromise in like the most adorable way, and
Speaker 1: I love the way they filmed it because he's in
Speaker 1: the shower and you can't see his face, and she's
Speaker 1: sitting in the bathroom like so sweet, you know, totally,
Speaker 1: and she's so kind of vulnerable, and you can see
Speaker 1: how much she really likes him, that she's trying to
Speaker 1: make this work out, you know, which is kind of
Speaker 1: I feel like rare for her. I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's true. I feel like it's a little rare for
Speaker 1: anyone other than Big, right, for Big obviously a lot
Speaker 1: of compromises well, but for other people, we haven't really
Speaker 1: seen that, like it let it go right. She didn't
Speaker 1: want to. She didn't want to let it go. She
Speaker 1: wanted to make it work out. She wanted to be
Speaker 1: on the campaign trail looking like all Jackieoa. You know.
Speaker 1: It was like a fun part for her to play
Speaker 1: kind of, so she's trying to make it work and
Speaker 1: then you know, he's silent in the shower for a while,
Speaker 1: and then he moves the shower curtain and he says, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, I wanted to tell you something, and he's
Speaker 1: kind of a bit of a jerk, and she goes,
Speaker 1: uh huh in her cute little vulnerable face. Uh huh,
Speaker 1: and he says, you know, uh, you know how I
Speaker 1: was telling you. I read the column and you know,
Speaker 1: there are people in my life in the campaign who
Speaker 1: feel like maybe it was a little much. And she's like, oh,
Speaker 1: and you could just see her wheels exactly, Like what
Speaker 1: what does he mean? And then he says, you know,
Speaker 1: they were just thinking that right in the middle of
Speaker 1: a campaign, that I shouldn't be, you know, dating a
Speaker 1: sex columnist. She was like, ah, but wait a minute,
Speaker 1: you wanted me to pee on it exactly. And then
Speaker 1: he says, but nobody knows that, right, and the exactly
Speaker 1: she has the power of her column, which is a
Speaker 1: great thing, but it also so reminded me. In the
Speaker 1: writing this was written by Darren directed my Michael Patrick,
Speaker 1: we were still battling this kind of sexist reaction to
Speaker 1: the show, and I feel like that's what they were
Speaker 1: writing in there, because there were still people who would
Speaker 1: write articles like, well, this show is silly, but it's
Speaker 1: obviously caught on. You know, it was always like kind
Speaker 1: of a hit against it, this is a show about women.
Speaker 1: Because they didn't understand it exactly and because it wasn't
Speaker 1: you know what they considered Prestige TV, right, Like Prestige
Speaker 1: TV was about gangsters killing people. No offense to the
Speaker 1: sopranos because we love them, but you know that was
Speaker 1: like serious, you know, Emmy town, let's go right, we
Speaker 1: were the girls talking about sex. So they'd be like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know this show with all these girls, but we
Speaker 1: don't do that in exactly right, And it was so
Speaker 1: we battled that for so long, and I felt like
Speaker 1: that was what they were kind of writing in. Also
Speaker 1: like that you could get put down really quickly because
Speaker 1: of that, which is what you see him do to her, like, yes,
Speaker 1: I'm a politician who would like you to pee on me,
Speaker 1: but I'm still going to dismiss you because you're just
Speaker 1: a sex communist, yes, which is so itck. But also
Speaker 1: I love how they so it's yeah, I agree, I agree,
Speaker 1: But I also love how they were. So I feel
Speaker 1: like because we were living these things, you know, as
Speaker 1: a group, because here we are, we loved our show
Speaker 1: so much. We were so committed. We've got a hundred
Speaker 1: hour week going on, right, Like no one in our
Speaker 1: lives has seen us except for ourselves in the show
Speaker 1: and behind the scenes, right, Like that's how committed, Like
Speaker 1: we love our show so much. Michael Patrick and I
Speaker 1: were just talking about this with them, just like that
Speaker 1: we we live in Los Angeles with our families and
Speaker 1: we leave to go to New York to do the show.
Speaker 1: That's how much we love it, right, And so then
Speaker 1: for people to say like that we weren't committed or
Speaker 1: that we weren't somehow do our best, it just hurts,
Speaker 1: you know because.
Speaker 2: Which is wild to me that they would say that,
Speaker 2: but that this episode was very indicative to what you
Speaker 2: were going through in real life.
Speaker 1: Yep. I mean always they're always writing something in that way,
Speaker 1: but it was It's always just funny to me when
Speaker 1: they write that party, right, I mean, like the critique
Speaker 1: is like inherent in the plot.
Speaker 2: You know that God Forbid for women are sexy, beautiful, intelligent.
Speaker 1: And have a body that they love and want.
Speaker 2: To date, Like God forbid, that that's something they have,
Speaker 2: and that the fact that they put that down right,
Speaker 2: and that's I guess that's what film does, right, Like,
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what we try to do when we're
Speaker 2: lucky enough to get a green light?
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you know what I'm saying? Which is a
Speaker 1: struggle that also people don't even understand I know.
Speaker 2: And even like imagine like every year hoping your show
Speaker 2: gets picked back up. That is like such an incredible
Speaker 2: pressure and you sacrificing so much for that.
Speaker 1: That's true. But I mean I think all of acting
Speaker 1: is like that, right, So if you're if you're even
Speaker 1: even in it, you know that's inherent, you know, which
Speaker 1: is a crazy lifestyle for sure. You never know what's
Speaker 1: going to happen ever, ever, ever, which is true for
Speaker 1: everyone in kind of the cosmic says yes, but in
Speaker 1: actors world, it's like true on a day to day,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? You could get a
Speaker 1: big job tomorrow, or you could get no job for
Speaker 1: a year, you know, and that's still really true. I
Speaker 1: mean people think somehow that at some point that's not true. No,
Speaker 1: it's always true. It did never gets better. You just
Speaker 1: might have money in the bank, which is of course wonderful,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Right, So, sometimes I have
Speaker 1: trouble sticking to my I do I have a have
Speaker 1: a d D. God, we can jump it back and forth.
Speaker 1: I might have a d D. As for sure, okay, sure, okay,
Speaker 1: for sure, I love it.
Speaker 2: If I was reading a book and you confess to
Speaker 2: a murder, I would have never heard it. I could
Speaker 2: just be in my book and I would that's kind
Speaker 2: of wondering. So do you ever need to confess anything
Speaker 2: to me? Just come to me and I'll read my
Speaker 2: book and I will literally not hear anything.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question. We're going to get
Speaker 1: we're going to get back to the ship, but I
Speaker 1: want to ask you a question. Do you feel that
Speaker 1: this helps your creative life?
Speaker 2: Like talking about yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah, it helps
Speaker 2: it the lot of my life, Like I can clean
Speaker 2: a whole entire house because I have add because I'd
Speaker 2: go from room the room, room to roomed room until
Speaker 2: like three hours later and then the whole house is clean.
Speaker 1: But it's amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But it's like I will go to the bathroom
Speaker 2: and go wipe the mirrors down and be like, oh,
Speaker 2: I got to put this laundry up. And then I'll
Speaker 2: go down and go down to the laundry room and
Speaker 2: put the laundry in and be like, oh, I need
Speaker 2: to go mop.
Speaker 1: The floors, and it's just this whole thing. It's terrible,
Speaker 1: but yes, it does. One of the things I think
Speaker 1: about in terms of, you know, actors and music and
Speaker 1: all the creative things because we don't have like a
Speaker 1: regular desk job right where you're having to go to
Speaker 1: the same place every time and do the same thing.
Speaker 1: Even sex and the city, which we've been doing all together,
Speaker 1: you know, since the year nineteen ninety eight, still very different, right,
Speaker 1: everywhere we went every day is different. You're in a
Speaker 1: different place, you have different actors, you have different lines.
Speaker 1: Hopefully you're with the same people, which is a joy
Speaker 1: as an actor for me at least, But it's you
Speaker 1: don't get into acting thinking that's going to happen. You
Speaker 1: get into acting thinking you're going to get this challenge
Speaker 1: over here and then hopefully this challenge over here, and
Speaker 1: hopefully this challenge over here. And I think that there's
Speaker 1: a lot to be said for the creative arts and
Speaker 1: ADHD working well together because also it's so interesting. It's
Speaker 1: kind of a heightened world, right, Like you're performing. It
Speaker 1: makes your dopamine, like you get a jolt, right and
Speaker 1: you're up in a heightened world, yes, which I feel
Speaker 1: like connects.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you feel that absolutely one thousand percent now
Speaker 2: that you think about it. And I think having ADHD
Speaker 2: enables you, like you said to bounce between jobs, and
Speaker 2: it's like cleaning the house, right, right, Yeah, exactly, You're
Speaker 2: able to do all these things and compartmentalize, right, your
Speaker 2: different emotions.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right at you. And I think about
Speaker 1: right now, I think about these things. I mean, because
Speaker 1: apparently I might have adh Yeah, it's all right, I
Speaker 1: definitely do. Well. I'm glad that you definitely do and
Speaker 1: that you know it for you and that you can
Speaker 1: use it to channel things. Okay, back to the episode.
Speaker 1: Back to the episode. Okay, let me ask you, because
Speaker 1: this is what I've decided to do now. I like
Speaker 1: to stick with one storyline, right and kind of like
Speaker 1: suss it out because it's interesting to look at how
Speaker 1: they develop it over the show, right, and what happens.
Speaker 1: And I love I'm curious. Do you love Brady David
Speaker 1: David Eigenberg, Steve Brady? I mean you don't. I can
Speaker 1: tell my face. Oh my god, tell me, no, No,
Speaker 1: I do, I do? I do? Tell me. Do you
Speaker 1: not think he's right for Miranda? I do think he's
Speaker 1: right for Miranda. Okay, but sometimes during this episode I
Speaker 1: thought he doesn't ye because when he meets, you know,
Speaker 1: at the party, that's uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: I was really, really really uncomfortable, you know, knowing where
Speaker 2: the show ends up, it makes so much sense that
Speaker 2: they weren't. They were never going to be right together.
Speaker 1: It's so fascinating, right because now we know so much
Speaker 1: more and you're watching it with a different understanding. But
Speaker 1: also the thing that I think is so First of all,
Speaker 1: I think Eigenberg is a great actor, great so anytime
Speaker 1: they're together, I'm very much woud by Hagenberg because Cynthia
Speaker 1: is a very powerful actor as well, and he more
Speaker 1: than holds his own with her, you know, so like,
Speaker 1: for instance, that scene in Bedrury tells her that he
Speaker 1: loves her first of all, that is the scene when
Speaker 1: he holds her breast in a way that I do
Speaker 1: not find attractive. And I was very unhappy with him
Speaker 1: and unhappy with everyone on the set that day that
Speaker 1: they did not protect Cynthia better and I wanted to
Speaker 1: do it right, like wow, that it was not realizing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm afraid it might be real life for
Speaker 1: some people life, you know what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1: Let me just like squeeze it. Yeah, Like it looked painful,
Speaker 1: but it didn't look no, And I was like, why
Speaker 1: didn't someone just say just sure it wasn't sexy because
Speaker 1: it looked like it hurt.
Speaker 2: I think that might have been also, like I think
Speaker 2: all of the sex scenes they had together, he always
Speaker 2: made me feel a little uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: Oh that's interesting, I feel when I watch Eigenberg. It's
Speaker 1: interesting for me now because at the time, there's too
Speaker 1: much going on for me to really think about Eigenberg, right,
Speaker 1: And I didn't hardly ever get to work with him,
Speaker 1: you know, And I tried to get him on the
Speaker 1: podcast and he just cannot come because he can't remember
Speaker 1: anything he says, and he doesn't want to talk about
Speaker 1: his work, which I find so adorable. Yeah, but part
Speaker 1: of the reason I think that that is true is
Speaker 1: that he is so unbelievably real.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like we're not watching it because he's so awkward,
Speaker 2: and it's it makes so much sense.
Speaker 1: Right, Like it's like he's not acting. I know that
Speaker 1: he's acting, and he's a very good actor, but he's
Speaker 1: just so real, and like those sex scenes are so
Speaker 1: real seeming compared to all the others, especially right, Like
Speaker 1: they're very different. So one look at me like you're
Speaker 1: in a protective. You're protective mode, which I am too.
Speaker 1: Just the squeezing of the breast is just really it
Speaker 1: really upset me at the time. We're just like I know,
Speaker 1: And I said to Cynthia, I was like, Sin, I
Speaker 1: am going to come to the set the next time
Speaker 1: that you have a sexy with Ignborg and I'm going
Speaker 1: to have a chat with him. And she was like, no,
Speaker 1: you're not. It was fine because she has no vanity
Speaker 1: or or self awareness or anything meaning in a good question,
Speaker 1: totally squeeze him, you know what I mean. I was like, babe,
Speaker 1: how'd you get through that day? How many times you
Speaker 1: have to do that?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: A lot? O sure? Hey. But back to the scene.
Speaker 1: He tells her in that scene that he loves her
Speaker 1: and it's so good, and I didn't remember it. I
Speaker 1: was really disqueezing at the boobs, but like I was like,
Speaker 1: what's going to happen because it's just so good. You
Speaker 1: don't even know what he's going to say. It's so
Speaker 1: good and she's so good. But I did also love
Speaker 1: before that when he they're walking down the street and
Speaker 1: you know, she's all her powerful corporate self and he's
Speaker 1: his kind of adorable goofy self. And he's talking about
Speaker 1: how he wants to go steady and she looks, I
Speaker 1: mean look like he so doesn't read her. Like her
Speaker 1: face is like no, no, but she doesn't say it.
Speaker 1: She just thinks it, I know, right, I know she
Speaker 1: always want I.
Speaker 2: Think she always thought her character always thought she deserves
Speaker 2: something better.
Speaker 1: But see, then my question is, and I think it's
Speaker 1: hard for me to totally separate from Charlotte's journey, right,
Speaker 1: like what would have been better? I don't know, I know,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Like maybe Blair Underwood.
Speaker 1: I mean he was so good, right, I.
Speaker 2: Loved their relationship together, so maybe Blinda loved with you
Speaker 2: know Steve of course, like that was one of my
Speaker 2: favorite things when she was like I love you and.
Speaker 1: Of course of course of course, And I mean they
Speaker 1: that whole were not to that season yet, but that
Speaker 1: the way that they played, the two of them, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were so writing, so sot and just just sad sad.
Speaker 1: Side note. We were planning a way to bring Blair
Speaker 1: back to and just like that, I know, right, like
Speaker 1: Dagger to the park, right like Dagger Dagger that we
Speaker 1: didn't get to do that. I'm not even going to
Speaker 1: get into the wise that we didn't get to do that,
Speaker 1: but we had a plan. We were so excited, I know, right,
Speaker 1: because we need Blair in everything and everything that we do.
Speaker 1: He was everything right, and I remember at the time
Speaker 1: being so excited we got it. But I don't mean
Speaker 1: to diminish. I can burg because there's a part of
Speaker 1: me where I feel and I feel like perfect.
Speaker 2: I mean, everything was so perfect right and he because
Speaker 2: of humans, you're out in a way.
Speaker 1: Yes, that kind of Harry, even Charlotte out. So even
Speaker 1: though we're very far from finding Harry. When I watched them,
Speaker 1: I do think about the fact that they're different, and
Speaker 1: the fact that they're different might be a positive. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's it's perfect.
Speaker 2: Like you need someone when you have someone like you know,
Speaker 2: Cindy or Miranda's character. She was so strong, so indecisive,
Speaker 2: so independent. She needed someone that annoyed her just enough.
Speaker 1: But he was so sweet. She was like a puppy dog.
Speaker 1: He is sometimes like a puppy dog, that's true. And
Speaker 1: I feel a little afraid for him. I feel a
Speaker 1: little afraid for him. Sometimes he can handle it because
Speaker 1: peppy dogs like you know, that's true. That's true, but
Speaker 1: you know, because they had already broken up. They're for
Speaker 1: the first round. We have been season two, and he
Speaker 1: just looks so hurt when they break up that time,
Speaker 1: like so hurt. So I do feel concerned for him
Speaker 1: a little bit also, I think because we know where
Speaker 1: it's going. Yeah, so it's hard not to feel a
Speaker 1: little bit worse. I know, we're like, oh, you'll be fine,
Speaker 1: well kind of and kind of noteh like it's sad.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I had a lot of sad and
Speaker 1: weird feelings watching this particular episode. I tell you, I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's just my mood today or whatever,
Speaker 1: but it was a lot it was. I think it's
Speaker 1: because it's so relevant to today. Yeah, and I think
Speaker 1: you're right in a way that you just can't even
Speaker 1: it's even stronger right now, like I do see like
Speaker 1: his resonance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you even see like gen z that are
Speaker 2: in the dating world right now, you felt.
Speaker 1: That when you're watching it.
Speaker 2: I mean, like that's what I was thinking about, really,
Speaker 2: you know, like you know, like women that are liberal
Speaker 2: that you know, we'll go on these dating apps and
Speaker 2: what you see it's so relevant.
Speaker 1: And compromising, like wanting to compromise, wanting to make you want.
Speaker 2: Because I genuinely feel like people really do want to
Speaker 2: meet somebody definitely, and I have to make those considerations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a real thing, you know, Yes I do.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yes, I see I'm single, So I
Speaker 1: totally O God, I know I'm single. And you know
Speaker 1: I'm not willing to compromise. You can't.
Speaker 2: You can't, You're sure, You're just like, I'm I'm fine
Speaker 2: all by myself.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly. Well, I got my kids, so I I everything.
Speaker 1: You hear them, you know, Yeah, I told I tell them.
Speaker 2: If my husband and I don't make it, I like,
Speaker 2: that's it for me.
Speaker 1: Like I've found Sure you will, you know, I absolutely
Speaker 1: think we will.
Speaker 2: But you know, like I just think about it, like
Speaker 2: like you said, when you have your kids.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, what else do you need? There are things
Speaker 1: that are missing. Don't get me wrong, absolutely, but you
Speaker 1: know it's like are you going to take time away? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And are you worth it for me to take? Definitely?
Speaker 1: That's where you are to be like me. The bar Yeah, bar.
Speaker 2: Is very very all the way in heaven right now, totally,
Speaker 2: Like it's really really high.
Speaker 1: Okay, it is too much fune talking to you, Mickey,
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to have you back. We're gonna keep going,
Speaker 1: you guys. Join us later in the week for Part
Speaker 1: two about episode three oh two. I'm not gonna say
Speaker 1: the title again.