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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know a production of iHeartRadio. Hey,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's Chuck

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Speaker 1: and Jerry's here too, machine Gun Jerry Rowland and this

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Speaker 1: is Stuff you Should Know about Bonnie and Clyde. A

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Speaker 1: true crime edition but also a folk hero edition.

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Speaker 2: That's right, and it's given me an opportunity to get

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Speaker 2: that Bonnie and Clyde song stuck in my head all day,

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Speaker 2: which is great because I've never heard that song, Bonnie

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Speaker 2: and Clyde. Bonnie and Clyde, I think you're just making

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Speaker 2: that up now, it's for real. I think it was

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Speaker 2: Serge Gainsbourg, but I know the Luna version.

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Speaker 1: I came across that mention of that, so yeah, it

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Speaker 1: was Serge Gainsburg and Brigie Bardot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but Luna covered it. And speaking of Luna leader,

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Speaker 2: Dean Wareham's brother Anthony as a listener, So hello Anthony.

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Speaker 1: Wow, we finally got to Anthony.

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Speaker 2: I tried to buy Dean's guitar off of Instagram a

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Speaker 2: few weeks ago. How did he go, Well, he put

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Speaker 2: his guitar up and it's the one that's on the

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Speaker 2: cover of his book Black Postcards. And he's used in

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Speaker 2: the studio and on tour. And I was like, huh,

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Speaker 2: let me just see how much he wants and he said,

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Speaker 2: I missed it by a day, so it stinks.

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Speaker 1: Well, maybe Anthony can pull some strings for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like steal a guitar from Dean and just send

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Speaker 2: it my way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And if Anthony did that, he'd be a lot

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Speaker 1: like Clyde Barrow or Bonnie Parker.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Man, these guys like to steal stuff.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I did you see the PBS documentary, the

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Speaker 1: American Experience documentary on him. No, just it, it's worth watching.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen the movie. So you put the two

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Speaker 1: of us together, we have a full comprehension, right.

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Speaker 2: That's how it works.

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Speaker 1: But they kind of they basically got across that they stole,

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Speaker 1: or Clyde stole just literally a way of life, like

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Speaker 1: he stole cars to get around, he stole money to

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Speaker 1: buy food with, like he that's just how he lived.

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Speaker 1: And they make the point. And I think Lvia Olivia

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Speaker 1: helped us with this. I she kind of makes the

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Speaker 1: point too, like these were the options that were open

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Speaker 1: to them, especially Clyde because he was raised dirt poor

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Speaker 1: during the depression, and like a lot of people were

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Speaker 1: during the Depression, you were really really poor. And that's

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Speaker 1: the life that that Clyde Barrow was born into.

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Speaker 2: Yeah for sure, and you know, not to excuse crime,

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Speaker 2: but that was just his background and not to you know,

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Speaker 2: they've been glorified over the years, but kind of reading

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Speaker 2: through this, it was like, oh, man, they like just

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Speaker 2: would murder people at will, again usually to get out

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Speaker 2: and right, just you know, to not get caught.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, particularly cops. And there's some disputes over there's a

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Speaker 1: pair of patrol men that were killed, and it's disputed

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Speaker 1: whether Bonnie was one of the gunmen or not. There's

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Speaker 1: some other crimes that they have had attributed to them

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Speaker 1: that may or may not have been there doing, but

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Speaker 1: there are definitely there's a the path behind them was

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Speaker 1: littered with dead cops that they definitely murdered. They were

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Speaker 1: even if they had no idea who they were and

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Speaker 1: the guy. Like that was definitely their mo typically with

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Speaker 1: cops though, and this isn't like justify it, but this

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Speaker 1: was also the era where the cops would just open

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Speaker 1: I'm going to start shooting at you first, ask questions later.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not like these days where cops and ice never

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Speaker 2: just kill people, right, bad joke? Yeah, all right, well,

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Speaker 2: and you know it. And maybe I'll make this point

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Speaker 2: later too. But and again it doesn't justify it. But

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Speaker 2: after Clyde's prison stent early on, like he was to

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Speaker 2: me like clearly killing people, so he would never ever

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Speaker 2: have to go back to prison, right you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can kind of get that after you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's get going and talk about Clyde first.

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Speaker 2: I know it's Bonnie and Clyde, but we're going Clyde

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Speaker 1: Ooh.

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Speaker 2: He was born in Texas in nineteen oh nine, in

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Speaker 2: I don't think this necessarily means he was set for

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Speaker 2: And in the twenties they moved to a very very

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Speaker 2: and Clyde started you know, early on, like stealing food,

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Speaker 2: like you mentioned, stealing turkeys, and then that graduated to

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Speaker 2: when he was seventeen for car theft.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. This was not him boosting a car, which was

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Speaker 1: basically how he got every other car. He actually went

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's stealing, though, you know, no, it definitely ok.

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Speaker 1: Death by taking I think, But I think also you

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I was also quite frankly surprised to learn that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, although it was probably just some dude in town

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Speaker 2: Bucks or something, but you got to be thirteen.

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Speaker 1: Right, So yeah, that was his first brush with the law,

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Speaker 1: and that was certainly far from his last. And that's Clyde.

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Speaker 1: His middle name was Chestnut, by the way, which I

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Speaker 1: thought was pretty cool, very cute. Bonnie's middle name was Elizabeth.

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Speaker 1: Her name was Bonnie Elizabeth Parker. She was born into

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Speaker 1: different circumstances than Clyde. Her mom was a seamstress, her

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Speaker 1: rather than you know, part of their circumstances for sure.

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Speaker 2: So you know, this was the early nineteen hundred, so

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Speaker 2: that's what happened with Bonnie. At fifteen, she married a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they send him to fourteen years hard labor on

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Speaker 1: And I think one thing that really kind of gets across,

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Speaker 1: like how Clyde was. He was kind of a likable

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Speaker 1: getting out, he took the blame so that Clyde wouldn't

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, hey, it's a pretty stand up thing

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Speaker 1: It totally is. It's like I donated a kid need

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So you know that's what I was referencing when

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Speaker 2: it You know, it seems that Clyde did everything, including

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Speaker 2: killing cops, that he could to stay out of jail.

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Speaker 2: Again again, not excusing to killing a police, just kind

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Speaker 1: I think you're explaining his mindset. That's legitimate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So one of the other things. I don't

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Speaker 2: week later he was freed when in his mother petitioned

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Speaker 2: for parole. So I didn't time that one out quite right.

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Speaker 1: No, he was also, I guess, not known as the

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Speaker 1: less than two years in prison. But in that time

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Speaker 1: he changed like fundamentally before, like you said, fairly light stuff,

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Speaker 1: But there was another guy that he was in the

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Speaker 1: saw Clyde change from a schoolboy to a Rattlesnake, and

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Speaker 1: even Bonnie. Later on, in a poem that she wrote

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Speaker 1: she used to write poetry, she mentioned that that Clyde

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Speaker 1: was basically a victim of unfair institutionalization. Basically that that's

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Speaker 2: I gotta say, every time you say boosted a car,

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Speaker 2: it makes you sound super street.

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Speaker 1: It sound like a fifties greaser in the seventies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, instead of stealing a car, Like I'm not cool,

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Speaker 2: I don't say boosting a car.

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Speaker 1: I guess you could say stealing. Yeah, I was gonna say,

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Speaker 1: I don't know any other way to put it. But

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it's just because I'm from the streets.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's about to say, you're like, oh wait, there's a

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Speaker 2: word for boosting a car, stealing steel. Yeah, they don't

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Speaker 2: teach that on the street. So I don't blame you.

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Speaker 2: So Clyde was released, like we said, when his mother

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Speaker 2: petitioned for that release, and he went right back to robbing,

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Speaker 2: you know, gas stations, convenience store stuff like that. He

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Speaker 2: parents on both sides were like, Bonnie, you can't join

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Speaker 1: Like basically every single outlaw romance or love story that

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Speaker 2: Of Justice's man, that's the log line. Did you you

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Speaker 1: Sorry, but it's also the highest grossing movie franchise in

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Speaker 2: Well it's because there's thirty seven of them.

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Speaker 2: But it was at one of these robberies where the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's also not clear whether it was Clyde

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I sort of do too. Yeah. So that was

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Speaker 2: they killed another guy named Doyle Johnson while stealing his car,

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Speaker 1: As Phil Collins would later saye so he did. He

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Speaker 1: She did a lot of stuff. Everything we're talking about here,

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Speaker 1: They're in between those, there's handfuls and handfuls of robberies

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a lot of gunplay. I mean that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I didn't know this, but Bonnie was really Dnkham's.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a dnkham Never heard of that. I guess

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Speaker 2: Well you means it to a small person, do you say,

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Speaker 2: come here, little Dinkams? Is that where it comes from?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Drives her crazy, She's like, put me down, all right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she was a Dnkhams. That's why he was just

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: So they did call the cops and another gunfight. You know,

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Speaker 1: It's a long drive, yeah, because Clyde was a professional

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Speaker 2: Yeah, should we take a break, Yes, I.

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Speaker 1: Think that's a great idea.

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Speaker 2: Chuck, all right, we'll be right back with more on

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Speaker 2: S all right, So we're back with Bonnie and Clyde.

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Speaker 2: They are starting to get a little bit of press

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because not only are they like doing you know,

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Speaker 1: killing cops. Now there's photos that they can run alongside

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00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 1: of them. So everybody starts getting in on the act,

436
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 1: not just the press, but also true crime magazines, newsreels.

437
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 1: Like they became famous overnight, Like they were already local

438
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 1: legends in Texas after those photos started getting published on

439
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 1: the wire. That was when they just really became icons.

440
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean attractive young lovers. They're having a good

441
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 2: time because in these photos they're like goofing off and

442
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 2: having fun, so obviously just something that's going to capture

443
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 2: the public's attention. They published that poem that you referenced earlier.

444
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 2: This was called the Story of Suicide sal and I

445
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 2: read the poem. I'm sure you did too. She wrote

446
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 2: this in jail when she was briefly in jail in

447
00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty two. And you know, it's an okay poem.

448
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:02,679
Speaker 2: It's not the greatest thing in the world. But when

449
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,199
Speaker 2: I was reading it, I was like, I wonder if

450
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 2: anyone's ever put this to song. I was like, surely

451
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 2: someone has, and I went online. I was like, oh, yeah,

452
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 2: there it is. And I went and played it and

453
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 2: I was listening to it and it was this woman

454
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,439
Speaker 2: and it was like a country sort of version. I

455
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,239
Speaker 2: was like, wait a minute. I was like this, I

456
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 2: bet this is not real. And I looked of course

457
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 2: it was freaking Ai from like February of this year,

458
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 2: like all completely fake, and I was just it left

459
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 2: a really nasty taste in my mouth.

460
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure, and well it should man, Yeah, you got

461
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 1: duped by AI. Somebody said, AI make a song out

462
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,919
Speaker 1: of this Bonnie Parker poem in the in the in

463
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: the the style of Juice Newton.

464
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,640
Speaker 2: It was more like, I don't know, I can't think

465
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 2: of a country singer like.

466
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: New country stuff like country pops.

467
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

468
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 2: I mean it wasn't poppy. It sounded country. But the

469
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,080
Speaker 2: way the woman's the fake woman's voice, I don't we

470
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 2: want to call her a woman. The computer voice mm

471
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 2: was just super sort of modern Nashville polished. Yeah.

472
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope AI, when they take over, don't come

473
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: back and punish us for saying things derogatory things like

474
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 1: we've said about them over the years.

475
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 2: Remember, Yeah, I remember the guy on the train in

476
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 2: Canada that I overheard talking about AI. Was on the

477
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 2: ride from uh yeah, uh Ottawa to Toronto.

478
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't remember what he said.

479
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 2: He said, he's talking about AI. He's like, some people

480
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 2: don't like it, some people do like it. He's like,

481
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 2: I mean I can't wait for AI to get here,

482
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 2: like it was coming to dinner. I was like, oh,

483
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 2: it is here, my friend, Yeah.

484
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: Sweet, sweet to get off the more often.

485
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I tell you what, he knew a lot about

486
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 2: NHL hockey though.

487
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: I'll bet this, like basically every Canadian does. Yeah, one

488
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: thing about that poem too, So in it she uses

489
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: a bunch of like slang, like like underworld slang basically yeah,

490
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 1: but it's still a serviceable poem, especially for a twenty

491
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: two year old who dropped out of school at fifteen.

492
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 1: And I think that that's like a really good back

493
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: of the envelope sketch of Bonnie's personality. She was very bright,

494
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 1: she excelled in school, but she dropped out at fifteen,

495
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: and she was fascinated with the underworld and like outlaw

496
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: stuff so much so that she started living that life

497
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: because she found a guy who was living in that

498
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: life and she decided to be with them, you know,

499
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 1: So that was that's her basically encapsulated.

500
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree. So there the public again is

501
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 2: enthralled at this point. They're in like the true detective

502
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 2: mysteries magazines and stuff like that. In nineteen you mentioned

503
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 2: that Clyde loved cars and like loved to boost them

504
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 2: and also drive them, and he loved Fords, and he

505
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 2: wrote a letter in nineteen thirty four supposedly. I don't

506
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 2: think they verified it from him, but it certainly sounds

507
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 2: like it was to me. Wrote a letter to Henry

508
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 2: Ford and he said. Part of the letter says, while

509
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 2: I still have got breath in my lungs, I will

510
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 2: tell you what a dandy carr you make. I have

511
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 2: drove forwards exclusively when I could get away with one

512
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 2: for sustained speed and freedom from trouble. To Ford has

513
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 2: got every other car skin. There's your ad. And even

514
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 2: if my business hasn't been strictly legal, it don't hurt

515
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 2: anything to tell you what a fine car you got

516
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 2: in the V eight and judging from you know, we

517
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,199
Speaker 2: later got poems from Clyde as well, and there are

518
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 2: a lot of misspellings and stuff. And I said he wasn't,

519
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 2: you know, the brightest bulb because of his upbringing, of course,

520
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 2: but it sounds to me pretty legit.

521
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think at least Henry Ford was like,

522
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: it's legit enough to have his secretary Kraft to thank

523
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: you letter to sounds back pretty funny, yeah, And you

524
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 1: said that that like they were, you know, they become

525
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 1: popularizing true crime magazines in part as like folk heroes,

526
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: Like I said, at the outset, And one of the

527
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: reasons why is they're committing these crimes at the height

528
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 1: of the depression or the depth of the depression. Yeah,

529
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: and people were rooting for people who did things like

530
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: rob banks because the banks were the villains at the time.

531
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: They were foreclosing on like hard working, honest people, and

532
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 1: so if you robbed a bank, you kind of automatically

533
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: became a folk hero. And people like Bonnie and Clyde

534
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 1: so much that those true crime magazines basically attributed scores

535
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: of bank robberies to them that they never did.

536
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.

537
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: Apparently they were popular enough that banks would if they

538
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: got robbed, they'd be like, yeah, Bonnie and Clyde just

539
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: robbed us, just to have that brush with celebrity, even

540
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: if it wasn't them.

541
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, get it in the paper for sure.

542
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 2: They also, you know, they did kill a lot of cops,

543
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 2: but they also let a lot go by way of

544
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 2: kind of taking them with them, which is technically kidnapping.

545
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: Sometimes cops sometimes civilians that would they would kidnap and

546
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 2: then just drop them off in the middle of nowhere,

547
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 2: basically so they didn't have to kill them, which you know,

548
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 2: that was a better choice, I guess. And they were

549
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 2: also like, you know, this is a time where you

550
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: get away with crime a lot easier and come and

551
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 2: go as a lot easier, just because of communications and

552
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 2: the way things worked. And they would, you know, they'd

553
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 2: go home and like visit their families and stuff and

554
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 2: not get caught, Like they didn't have their famili's homes

555
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 2: staked out at this point.

556
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: No, But they were also really safe about it. They

557
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: were very smart, Like they write a message in a

558
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: coke bottle and just throw it out of the car

559
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: as they were driving past at their mom's house or whatever.

560
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: Like they were smart. They assumed the phones were tapped

561
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. But if you're an outlaw that

562
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: are well known around those parts, just show up at

563
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: home is still pretty pretty risky, oh for sure. So

564
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: after Joplin, after the little vak in Joplin that ended

565
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: on a shootout with the cops and the death of

566
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: two cops, they kept moving. They got back on the

567
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: road and they were in a car wreck actually at

568
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: one point like a couple months later, and they it

569
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: was a bad crash. The Clyde was going really fast.

570
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: They rolled the car and Bonnie got third degree burns

571
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: on her leg. I saw from one account that she

572
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: was burned because the car caught on fire. Another account

573
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: said that it was acid from the battery. Either way,

574
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: she had third degree burns down to her bones and

575
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: no options about going and getting actual medical treatment. So

576
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: she had. She was in a lot of pain and

577
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: limped and hopped and was carried in some cases for

578
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: the rest of her life.

579
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 2: Why does it surprise me that cars had batteries? Then?

580
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: I think that was actually very new, and that was

581
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: one of the reasons Clyde was able to steal so

582
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: many cars is because you could hot wire them. Now,

583
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: oh okay, I think that was super new.

584
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 2: All right, which is probably what it leaked all over Bunny.

585
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

586
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 2: I guess they didn't have the caps.

587
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: No, They're like, just don't tip it over, don't roll

588
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: your car over, and everything should be fine, all.

589
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 2: Right, So good driver, except when he's crashing cars. Later

590
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: they wrapped. I think that was in June of thirty three,

591
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 2: they robbed a store in Alma, Texas, another gunfight with

592
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 2: two cops, and they killed another cop, Marshall Henry D.

593
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 2: Humphrey escaped again in July. They were not at that Airbnb,

594
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 2: but they went to a different one in Missouri, another guesthouse,

595
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: and the owner and I never had heard of this,

596
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 2: but it makes sense if you, apparently back then, if

597
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: you would back a car, and they called that like

598
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 2: gangster style because you want to get out of there quick,

599
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 2: and that was sort of a just a red flag.

600
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 2: So he noticed that they backed their car in the

601
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 2: other thing he noticed to me a bigger tell is

602
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 2: they taped newspapers over the windows, and they paid for

603
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 2: their meals with coins. And it turns out some vending

604
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: machines nearby had been robbed. So this was all just like.

605
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,719
Speaker 2: The guy was like, well, maybe I should call the cops.

606
00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:00,479
Speaker 2: So they did. The cops came out. Guess what happened.

607
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: Another gunfight. Guess what happened. They escaped again, but this

608
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: time Buck Barrow his brother was wounded pretty badly and

609
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: Blanche was too. Blant's got charge of glass in her eyes,

610
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 2: I'm guessing temporarily blinding her considering the jobs she had

611
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 2: later in life.

612
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: She was blinded in at least one eye, so I

613
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: don't know if it was permanent or not. Either. I

614
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,719
Speaker 1: didn't see that anywhere. Yeah, so they actually made it.

615
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: They escaped from this gunfight with the cops in Missouri,

616
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: and they made it all the way to Iowa, and

617
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: they found like a park and were hanging laying low

618
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: in this park, trying to keep Buck alive and I

619
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: guess tending to Blanch as well. And again they backed

620
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: their car in gangster style, and that caught people's attention.

621
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: They also left the car running when they went to

622
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: town to buy supply.

623
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: Extra gangster for sure.

624
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: Either there, you just got places to be, you know.

625
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: But I guess people were jumpy back then. Yeah, the

626
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: cops showed up at the park. Somebody followed them or said,

627
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: these people are staying at the park right now, fifty

628
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: cops show up. Another gun fight happens. This is like

629
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: a day or so, I think, after the first one,

630
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: and Blanche and Buck buckets hit again and He's like,

631
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: I can't make it any further, you guys go on.

632
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: Blanche stays with Buck and they both get arrested. Bonnie

633
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: Clyde and w D make their escape and they actually

634
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: get away. W D finally says like that's enough for me.

635
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: I'm done. He did the whole Blackjack dealers like I'm

636
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: out thing. Yeah, and he went home to Texas.

637
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he goes home to Texas while Buck is arrested,

638
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: I think five days later he dies. So a big

639
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 2: brother is now gone, Blanche's husband, and when w D

640
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 2: goes home, he's arrested in pretty short order, I think

641
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 2: in November. And he told the cops like, yeah, I

642
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 2: was in the Barrow gang, but he said he was

643
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 2: forced into it, and because of that fact and because

644
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 2: he was a kid, they were fairly lenient on him.

645
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 2: They sentenced ht to six years in prison.

646
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, I think WD kind of got the

647
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,919
Speaker 1: least of it to anybody because also at this time,

648
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: like there are other people that they're kind of coming

649
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: up against doing some crimes with here there, they're going

650
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: in and out of prison, Yeah, pretty pretty frequently. And

651
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, because he was shorthanded, he

652
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: actually Clyde stage a prison break. Remember the old Eastham

653
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: prison farm that Clyde had learned to hate, and it

654
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: had changed Clyde essentially right. Well, he had people on

655
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: the inside and he and a guy named Jimmy Mullins

656
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: busted these guys out. They busted out Henry Methvin, Joe Palmer,

657
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 1: guy named Hilton Biby and Raymond Hamilton remember him from

658
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,720
Speaker 1: the earlier section. He had been captured and sent to prison,

659
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 1: and so they busted him out because Clyde needed more

660
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: help because now WD was gone and so was.

661
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,479
Speaker 2: Buck Yes, and killed two guards in the process here,

662
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 2: So that's two more down. I mean, the bodies are

663
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 2: stacking up at this point.

664
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: Well, one of those guards I think may have been

665
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: purposely killed because he was known as such a brutal guard.

666
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: He would leave his post just to go beat inmates. Yeah,

667
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: so it's probably not coincidence that he was one of

668
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: the two that were killed during this.

669
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 2: Get one on the way out, all right, So the

670
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 2: gang is still on the run, and it feels like

671
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 2: it feels like the noose is tightening a little bit.

672
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 2: Like the original gangs now has partly died and been

673
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 2: in prison, so it's been splintered. Yeah, but they're soldiering

674
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,959
Speaker 2: on with new people. And in April of thirty four,

675
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 2: Bonnie Clyde and Henry Methvin were in and he was

676
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 2: one of the guys they boosted from prison. Yeah can

677
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 2: you say.

678
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: That too, Yeah, you can boost somebody from prison.

679
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 2: Sure, okay, what about when you just give somebody a boost,

680
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 2: like an emotional support? Where does that fit in?

681
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: That is see, I guess that would be Clark and somebody.

682
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, Clark made some good feelings. Yeah, so, uh, where

683
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 2: was I Henry Methin? They all went to grape Vine,

684
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 2: Texas At this point a couple of highway cops, highway

685
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 2: patrolmen saw thought they were stranded motorists and stopped to

686
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 2: help them out, and they killed them. So two more

687
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 2: cops dead. And then five days after that they killed

688
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 2: another cop in Oklahoma and kidnapped a police chief. So

689
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 2: things are getting really pretty intense at this point.

690
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean three cops in two days, I think, Yeah,

691
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: that's or three cops and yeah, three days something like that.

692
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: That's crazy. So this was like, yeah, you kind of

693
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: get the impression that things are starting to move really

694
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: really fast at this point. Right Raymond Hamilton, he was

695
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 1: recaptured I think by like a month or so after,

696
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: but he'd already been involved in the murders of these

697
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 1: cops and like a bunch of other robberies and stuff.

698
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: So remember he had been busted out. So when he

699
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 1: was recaptured not only was he being re sentenced for

700
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: escaping prison, but also for all the crimes, including murder,

701
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: that he committed in the short like month or two

702
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: that he was out. Yeah, he was sentenced to the

703
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: Texas State Pen in Huntsville and placed on death row there. Yeah,

704
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: he also escaped there too, but he was recaptured again.

705
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: Do you know, heart, it's got to be to escape

706
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: from death row?

707
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 3: Uh?

708
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 2: How hard?

709
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: Really hard?

710
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 2: Okay.

711
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: But he had already actually split ways with Bonnie and

712
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: Clyde when they finally recaptured him and sent him to Huntsville,

713
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: and they had had a falling out.

714
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. They ended up sending a letter to Hamilton in prison, yeah,

715
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: saying like, you know, you stole from us and you're

716
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 2: a coward. So yeah, it was a pretty bad breakup.

717
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: It was. There was no love lost.

718
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 2: Should we break up this episode?

719
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: Oh? Good call?

720
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 2: All right, we'll be back to finish up on Bonnie

721
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: and Clyde, right if you did.

722
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,439
Speaker 3: Softly jawh sh.

723
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 1: Soft okay, Chuck. So you had said a little while

724
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: ago that one of the reasons they were able to

725
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: be so successful is because they were there was a

726
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: there were a handful of reasons one. They typically kept

727
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 1: their targets pretty small. They were small towns, often mama

728
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:52,439
Speaker 1: pop groceries, maybe like a gas station something like that.

729
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: Every once in a while a bank. But remember like

730
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: all of their crimes were exaggerated, so they were supposedly

731
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: two of the greatest bank that ever lived, even though

732
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: they'd only done a couple of banks. So by making

733
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: their takes pretty small, I think the biggest take was

734
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: like eighteen hundred, which is less than fifty grand today.

735
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: That was far and away the biggest take. Sometimes they'd

736
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: make enough money just to buy some groceries or something

737
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: like that. They kept themselves small. They made themselves small targets.

738
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: What made them huge targets was killing cops, you know,

739
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 1: like that definitely catches the attention of other cops. And

740
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: there was another Texas outlet named Willis Newton who said

741
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 1: killing that first cop, Eugene Moore, was their true undoing,

742
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: and then all the cops after that just made them

743
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: even bigger targets. But one of the other reasons they

744
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: were able to still get away even after killing all

745
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: those cops is because those cops and the different jurisdictions

746
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,479
Speaker 1: were not coordinating in any way.

747
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: No, I mean that didn't happen back then. It's not

748
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 2: like they were being stubborn. That was just not a

749
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 2: thing that had really come along yet, like working interstate

750
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 2: with one another or even inter county. Probably, yeah, BI

751
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 2: wasn't quite a thing yet. The Bureau of Investigation was

752
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 2: and all they could. They did start investigating them the

753
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 2: I guess the BI in December of thirty two, and

754
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 2: did get a warrant in May of thirty three, but

755
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 2: it was only over interstate moving of the stolen cars.

756
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 2: But they did get involved with the local cops and

757
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 2: start sort of providing information, providing support to like the

758
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 2: local cops and the state agencies as you know, part

759
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 2: of the eventual dragnet. And it seems like the cops

760
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 2: in Texas and Louisiana are the ones who really sort

761
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 2: of got together finally to zero in on them and

762
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 2: focus on these guys. And when the Texas Rangers come

763
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: on the scene, that means things are really serious. And

764
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 2: that's what happened after that that second prison break. The

765
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 2: Texas Rangers got together. This guy came out of retirement,

766
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 2: Captain Frank not Hammer, but Hamer. I guess he probably

767
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 2: he'd probably called himself the Hammer, and he was like,

768
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 2: I'm coming out of retirement to get these guys and

769
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 2: had a posse of six rangers and he's like, I've

770
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 2: killed fifty three dudes in my law enforcement career. So

771
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 2: it was really on at this point.

772
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: It was he coordinated with a guy named Henderson Jordan,

773
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: who was sheriff in a parish in Louisiana, Bienville Parish.

774
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: And the reason he's significant is because Henry Methvin. Remember,

775
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: he was one of the guys that got busted out

776
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: with Raymond Hamilton and some of the other guys and

777
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 1: joined the gang. Methavin was now a part of the gang.

778
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: He lived, his family lived in Bienville Parish, and supposedly

779
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 1: Henderson Jordan, the sheriff, had been approached by Methvin's family,

780
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: who were alarmed that he was wanted by the cops

781
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 1: and with Bonnie and Clyde's notorious outlaws, and they said, look,

782
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: we can get our son to cooperate. He was basically

783
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: Daryl and Red Dawn essentially. Yeah, right, that's Daryl's dad's car,

784
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 1: it's the mayor's car. So his family is like, we'll

785
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: get him to cooperate. But you got to give him

786
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: Clement and see, but we'll get you Bonnie and Clyde

787
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: if you make sure our boy doesn't get the chair

788
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: for all this stuff. And so Frank Hamer and Henderson

789
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 1: Jordan are like, let's make this happen. This was ultimately

790
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: the downfall. Trusting Henry Methvin was what brought them to

791
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: their end.

792
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 2: You know, I'm still mad at Darryl after all these years.

793
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: I know.

794
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 2: The second you said Darryl from Red Dawn, I was

795
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 2: just like, oh, that.

796
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: Guy they picked, like a perfect actor for that guy

797
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: really suited that part.

798
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was one of the bad socials in The

799
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 2: Outsiders too.

800
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't know that, so that fits. Did you

801
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: know that Si Hinton was a teenage girl? Wouldn't you

802
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: write the Outsiders?

803
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 2: I had no idea.

804
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: It's crazy.

805
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 2: So they kind of figured out their route basically, and

806
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 2: that Bonnie and Clyde were driving a lot to that

807
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 2: Methven home in Louisiana on Highway one point fifty four.

808
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 2: So in May of nineteen thirty four, they were like,

809
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 2: all right, we really need to get this done. And

810
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: this is where the famous ambush happens. There, you know,

811
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 2: are different, like kind of disputing accounts of exactly how

812
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 2: it went down, but it seems like they got Methan's

813
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 2: dad's car out on the road and parked it there

814
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 2: with a wheel removed, so they would be like, oh,

815
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: that's your dad's car, Like, it looks like he needs help,

816
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 2: so they would pull over. They had those six Texas Rangers.

817
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 2: They had automatic rifles, and as soon as that Bonnie

818
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 2: and Clyde car showed up, they just started firing. They're like,

819
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 2: we've seen enough of these guys work to not let

820
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 2: them open the doors, not try and arrest them or whatever,

821
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 2: because they're going to be shooting at us. So they

822
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 2: just basically shot the crud out of this car and

823
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 2: to great effect. I mean, they murdered the cred out

824
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 2: of them.

825
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: They did, they got them.

826
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bonnie was shot twenty six times, Clyde was shot

827
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 2: seventeen times. Further, Resharts says that it may have been

828
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 2: as many as fifty times. They were kids, you know,

829
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 2: they were twenty three and twenty four years old, and

830
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 2: it was pretty gruesome and the people in the press

831
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 2: went wild over this ambush.

832
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, they towed the car with the bodies inside.

833
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 2: It was crazy.

834
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: Yeah too. Well, they also laid in wait and executed

835
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: them without giving them any chance to give themselves up.

836
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: So at this point, basically anything's on the table, right. Yeah,

837
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: So they towed the death car, and I guess it

838
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: essentially immediately became like a tourist attraction. They sent them

839
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: both back to Dallas for burial, and both of the

840
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: funeral homes where they were they were each in a

841
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 1: different funeral home because Bonnie's mom, Emma was like you,

842
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: in death, they can't have anything to do with one another.

843
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: I couldn't talk her out of being with them while

844
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: she was alive, but I'm calling the shots now that

845
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 1: she's dead, and I don't want her anywhere near him. Yeah,

846
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: both of their funerals were thronged with onlookers. But even

847
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: before that, while their bodies were just basically hanging out

848
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: in the public, all these basically souvenir seekers were trying

849
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: to like cut off their body parts and stuff.

850
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 2: Right, Oh yeah, just like looting what they could to

851
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 2: get a piece of the car, maybe to get a

852
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 2: like a blood soaked handkerchief or something like that. And yeah,

853
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 2: supposedly some guy tried to cut off Clyde's ear Their

854
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 2: death photos are you know, you can look those up

855
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 2: if you have a strong stomach. They're pretty nasty, and

856
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 2: their funerals attracted like thousands of people to come and

857
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 2: see the burials of Bonnie and Clyde. After they died.

858
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 2: There was sort of a lot that went on. There

859
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,760
Speaker 2: was a book initially from Bonnie's mother and Clyde's sister.

860
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 2: They got together and wrote a book called Fugitives, colon

861
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,720
Speaker 2: the story of Clyde Barrow and Bonnie Parker. They started

862
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 2: publishing more poems from Bonnie and Clyde. One from Bonnie

863
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 2: called The Trail's End or the Story of Bonnie and Clyde,

864
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 2: and then another one that I mentioned earlier that Clyde

865
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 2: had written sort of as respect and both of them

866
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 2: they're kind of still talking about like, hey, we didn't

867
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 2: do all these crimes, were not as bad as everyone

868
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 2: makes us out to be. That kind of thing and

869
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 2: key though in one of these Bonnie had requested, at

870
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 2: least in the poem, someday they'll go down together day

871
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 2: meaning them, and they'll bury them side by side. So

872
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 2: that seemed like that would have been her wish that

873
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 2: she did not.

874
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: Get no because her mom said, heck no, I read

875
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: his nephew and her niece maybe great niece have been

876
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: like trying to trying to draw up support to bury them,

877
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 1: rebury them together, but it hasn't gotten anywhere.

878
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, as you know, I said, a lot happened.

879
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 2: Basically what happened from this point forward is the cops

880
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 2: were like, it's not good enough just to get like

881
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 2: Bonnie and Clyde, Like, we got them, but we need

882
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 2: to just dragnet the whole operation. And so all of

883
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 2: their friends and family that were ever aiding in a

884
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 2: betting or anything like that were rounded up. I think

885
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 2: Dallas police got twenty four family. Everybody was found guilty

886
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 2: and you know, not very long prison sentences. I think

887
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 2: the max was like a couple of years. But they

888
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 2: wanted to get everyone who ever touched part of this

889
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:13,240
Speaker 2: gang and put them away.

890
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean, yeah, two years for just basically

891
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: being friends with Bonnie and Clyde. That's a lot.

892
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 3: You know.

893
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 2: Raymond Hamilton aiding in a bedding is like, yeah, we

894
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 2: were just friends, right, right, Like they might have stayed

895
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 2: at my house and I might have given him food and.

896
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: Right and give them the cops, but like ammunition, and

897
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: that's what friends do. Raymond Hamilton and Joe Palmer, they

898
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: were both executed in Huntsville at the prison in Huntsville

899
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: on May tenth, nineteen thirty five. And Henry Methvin, he

900
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: was so there was this. I said, there was a

901
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: disputed murder of one of the patrol men. That farmer

902
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: who supposedly witnessed this, said that he saw Bonnie like

903
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: go over and execute the cop at point blank range,

904
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: blowing his head off with the shotgun and making some

905
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: greasily tasteless remark about it. She supposedly wasn't.

906
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 2: Even I'm about to head out or something that would.

907
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,439
Speaker 1: Have been good. No, something like a look of there

908
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: his head bounced like a rubber ball or something like that. Right,

909
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: So the kind of thing where you're like, wow, she's

910
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: really despicable. And of course everybody printed it because this

911
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: farmer said he saw it.

912
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 2: Right.

913
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: What historians now believe is that it was actually Henry

914
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,439
Speaker 1: Methvin who actually did the killing, and the reason why

915
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:28,919
Speaker 1: he wasn't implicated was because his family's plan to bring

916
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: in Bonnie and Clyde was already in motion. So now

917
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: the authorities had to cover up his murder of a

918
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: cop before he could turn in Bonnie and Clyde, so

919
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: that it was attributed to her and almost certainly wasn't her.

920
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, Methan was eventually paroled in forty two and died

921
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 2: six years after that. And the story is he was

922
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 2: hit by a train. He was either drunk and got

923
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 2: hit by a train or maybe he was shoved into

924
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 2: a train and murdered, but no one was ever tapped

925
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 2: for that. As far as Blanche, she was Bucks, you know,

926
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 2: Clyde's sister in law and Buck's wife who was blinded

927
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 2: in one eye. She served six years, was proled in

928
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 2: thirty nine and wrote her book, My Life with Bonnie

929
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 2: and Clyde No Colin's and went back to Dallas and

930
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 2: you know, lived a life there, worked as a taxi

931
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 2: dispatcher and a beautician, cared for her dad, got married again.

932
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 2: The death car eventually, you know, it would end up

933
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 2: at Buffalo Bill's resorting casino in prem Nevada. I think

934
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 2: that's where it is now, But for a while it

935
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 2: was you know a lot of this stuff, like the

936
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 2: guns and the cars, like everyone wanted a piece of this.

937
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 2: I think everyone knew it was going to be worth

938
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 2: a lot of money, so various family members had to

939
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 2: sue various institutions to get this stuff back. And in

940
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 2: the case of the guns, Clyde's mom was like, I

941
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 2: want those guns back because Clyde had never been convicted

942
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 2: of the murders, like he was just shot in cold blood,

943
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 2: So I want those guns back. And I think the car,

944
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 2: like the original car owner Ruth Warren, was like, Hey,

945
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 2: that was my car to begin with. Yeah, the cops

946
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 2: can't keep that thing, so she sooned to get it

947
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 2: back and got it back.

948
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, And before it ended up at the Prim Valley

949
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: Casino resort, it was a traveling amusement at like circuses

950
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: and carnivals and state fairs and stuff.

951
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 2: That's right.

952
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: I don't know entirely that we would just know and

953
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: everybody would be walking around knowing that there was such

954
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: a couple as Bonnie and Clyde were it not for

955
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: that nineteen sixty seven movie starring Fade Unaway and Warren Beatty.

956
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: I never saw the movie, so it's not like my

957
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: understanding of them comes directly from it, but all the

958
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 1: people it informed, I think it brought them back up

959
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 1: into the popular culture again and they never really left

960
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:51,439
Speaker 1: since then.

961
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 2: It's a good movie. The great Arthur Penn was the

962
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 2: director who had another Stuff you Should Know connection, and

963
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 2: that he directed The Miracle Work as well.

964
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, that's he's basically a friend of the podcast.

965
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 2: Then yeah, two Stuff you Should Know movies. A good

966
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 2: movie though, but it was the year after the Hayes

967
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 2: Code ended, you know, the movie Codes that tried to

968
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 2: rein in sex and violence, and so there was a

969
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 2: lot of sex and violence in this movie and glamorization

970
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 2: of crime and stuff like that. And that ambush scene

971
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 2: is like a sort of a legendary film scene because

972
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 2: it shows it all and it's pretty gory. But it

973
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 2: was a It was a big, big movie, and I

974
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 2: think a lot of gangster movies kind of started coming

975
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 2: around in its wake because it was so popular.

976
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was huge in the UK apparently, and it

977
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,240
Speaker 1: set the stage for other bloody movies to come, everything

978
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: from The Wild Bunch two years later, to Pulp Fiction,

979
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: which was originally written by Eleanor Roosevelt, to basically every

980
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 1: violent movie you've ever seen. Bonnie and Clyde essentially set

981
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: the stage for that that's right.

982
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. If I'm ever near prim Nevada,

983
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go over to Buffalo Bill's Resort and Casino

984
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 2: to check that car out.

985
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,919
Speaker 1: Uh, I'd like to see that and his death shirt too.

986
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 2: Yeah they got a shirt.

987
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy. I mean it's full of holes.

988
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, and not in a bad plot sort of way.

989
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: Boy, you're pulling all those ingers today, aren't you? That

990
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 1: little shorty for w D or a little forty?

991
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah? Did you catch that one?

992
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,760
Speaker 1: Yeah? I was killing Uh you got any other little zingers?

993
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 2: I got no other zingers?

994
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, then that means this is the end of

995
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: the road for Bonnie and Clyde as far as stuff

996
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: you should know goes. And I think that means it's

997
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: time for listener mail.

998
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 2: That's right, and uh, we did not plan this everyone,

999
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 2: but here's the listener mail. Hey guys, I wanted to

1000
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 2: share a moment from the Eleanor Roosevelt episode that gets

1001
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 2: a gold star for Josh. I have a long history

1002
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 2: of Josh like moments where I will add in an absurd,

1003
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 2: impossible fact when talked to my wife, such as a

1004
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 2: local construction site being a dining with your pets restaurant

1005
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 2: or coming or a Lava Fields in the California Desert

1006
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,240
Speaker 2: being a huge disposal site for used asphalt. And my wife,

1007
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 2: over twenty five years of marriage, has become very canny

1008
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 2: about my quote unquote facts, and it's very difficult to

1009
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 2: fooler anymore. However, when Josh said in her writings Eleanor

1010
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 2: Roosevelt wrote an initial treatment that became the script of

1011
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 2: pulp Fiction, I saw my wife process that fact for

1012
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 2: about ten seconds with narrow eyes and complete confusion, followed

1013
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 2: by a loud no. So thank you Josh for that

1014
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 2: magic moment, and thank you both for all you do.

1015
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 2: Very long time listener, I started listening when there were

1016
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 2: only about one hundred back episode, so one hundred episodes

1017
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Speaker 2: in and that is from Sam and Lisa.

1018
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: Nice. Thanks Sam, And yeah that wasn't planned. How what

1019
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: a coincidence? Huh.

1020
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 2: As soon as you said it, I was like, oh,

1021
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 2: boo ah, I'm just going to be so excited.

1022
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: And I was and I still will be, probably for

1023
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:51,959
Speaker 1: hours after this, Sam and Lisa, Right, that's right. Sam

1024
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: and Lisa, thanks for the email. Thanks for listening to

1025
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: us for so long too, And if you want to

1026
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 1: be like Sam and Lisa and send us an email.

1027
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Speaker 1: You can do that too. There's nothing stopping you except

1028
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: no access to the internet. If you have access to

1029
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: the internet, you can send us that email to Stuff

1030
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: podcast at iHeartRadio dot Stuff You Should Know is a

1031
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio.

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