1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Day and Paranormal Podcast Network. Now get ready for another 3 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: episode of Dark Becomes Light with Heidi Hollis. The thoughts 4 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: and opinions expressed by the host our thoughts and opinions only, 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: and do not necessarily reflect those of I Heart Media, 6 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,319 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio, Coast to Coast a out, employees of 7 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: premier networks or their sponsors and associates. You are encouraged 8 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: to do the proper amount of research yourself, depending on 9 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: the subject matter and your needs. You are listening to 10 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: Dark Becomes Light on the I Heart Radio and Coast 11 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Remember each week this 12 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: program is all about you and whatever it is that 13 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: you have experienced that's out of the ordinary or mysterious, 14 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: and I welcome you to send your emails and explain 15 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: as much as you'd like about whatever it is that 16 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: you've experienced. Send it on in if you just want 17 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: to comment, if you just want to share, or if 18 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: you'd like some insight. I'm here to try to bring 19 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 1: some of these darker or lesser spoken of topics into 20 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: the light. And always, if you'd like to be a 21 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: guest on this show to do just that and sharing 22 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: your own research or your experiences. Let me know. Go 23 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: to my main website, which is Heidi Hollis dot com 24 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: and you'll find where to contact me. And I also 25 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: want to encourage you guys to check out my paranormal 26 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: comic strap. Sometimes when you're involved in these heavy things, 27 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: you have got to vent and one of the ways 28 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: that I do is why using my artistic and comic 29 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: all ability into a comic strip format. I have been 30 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: a comic strip artist for years and I started doing 31 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: this paranormal comic strip I call the Outlanders and it's 32 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: been a blast to do and I hope you guys 33 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: enjoy it. Just go to the Outlanders comic dot com 34 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: and let me know what you think of it. In 35 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: the last couple of segments for the show today, I 36 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: actually do have one of the listeners from Scotland joining us, 37 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: who will share about their personal encounters and some of 38 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,399 Speaker 1: the things that they've uncovered in some of their adventures 39 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: into the paranormal trying to find answers and better understanding. 40 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: So stick around for that. Today. I wanted to cover 41 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: something that I know a lot of us have been 42 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: curious about when it comes to seeing something kind of 43 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: ghostly that's just not fitting in with the typical that 44 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: is part of this world. Okay, I always say, yes, 45 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: the paranormals rather normal, but keeping it real. A lot 46 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: of people like to think there as a playing twigs 47 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: on them, and they're like trying to change their mindset 48 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: about whatever it is that they're experiencing. In other words, 49 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:16,679 Speaker 1: they try to pretend it with something else. Now, when 50 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: I've seen things out of the ordinary, don't these things 51 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: kind of not act like a door is there, or 52 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: act like the floor isn't there. They can walk up 53 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: invisible stairs, they go down invisible sidewalks, and you're like, 54 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: what is going on here? In fact, I want to 55 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: share about some of the experiences that I've had. One 56 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: of them really through me because I think, I think 57 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: about it. I think this is one of my first 58 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: experiences that let me know there maybe two different realities 59 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: going on in this world. Now. Paranormal, Okay, that to 60 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: me fits into another their category because it can seem demonic, 61 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: it could seem angelic, it can seem like manipulated spirits 62 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: of a sort. So it's hard to always slap a 63 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: definition on what it is that I personally experienced. So 64 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna lay this out there for it and 65 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: I'll let you understand what I'm talking about a little 66 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:25,239 Speaker 1: bit better. So I was in college. I was studying 67 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: with a classmate on my couch in my apartment. As 68 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 1: I've said in the past, I've grown up in a 69 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: haunted house. I've been in places where there's issues that 70 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: go on, so I'm used to that type of thing. 71 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: But this place, I didn't know it to have anything 72 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: going on, so I didn't feel like I was living 73 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: in a haunted location. So I'm sitting there on my 74 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: couch talking to my college friend and we're literally I've 75 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: got a book open on my lap, It's a big book, 76 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: and my friends leaning over looking like, oh you mean. 77 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, they're just chatting and talking things over. 78 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: When something caught my eye. Okay, so where I'm sitting 79 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 1: in the living room, I'm looking straight through the dining 80 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: area into my kitchen area, like it's just really a 81 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: long space, and when this caught my eye, I did 82 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: a double take. You know, I've got my finger on 83 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: the book, my friends leaning over, we're talking, and then 84 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: something and I'm I'm looking down, up, down, up, and 85 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't even know what to tell you. 86 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: The rue my book into hear screaming and diving out 87 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 1: of the way. Okay, this is what I saw. I 88 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: saw this man in a business suit where he had 89 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 1: a tie that was like over his shoulder because he 90 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 1: was in such a rush and had a briefcase, like 91 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: literally like something you would see in downtown Chicago or something. 92 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: But I wasn't living in a busy city like that 93 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: at the time. This man appeared in my kitchen like 94 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: pretty solid, okay, and he just comes rushing through the kitchen, 95 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: the dining room, straight to the couch. And it happened 96 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: so quick I could barely get out of the way. 97 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: I'm getting chills right now. I could barely jump out 98 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: of the way. And he kind of went through me 99 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: and my friend and I kind of threw the book 100 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: into her face and and I just just jumped. I 101 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: dove to the floor. That's how abrupt this man was. 102 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: My friend was grabbing her chest. I'm like, oh my gosh, 103 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: did you see that? And she's what are you talking about? Him? 104 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: Like the man this guy just popped up out of 105 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: nowhere and he totally went through the wall in front 106 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: of the place, and I just I couldn't understand. It's 107 00:06:55,880 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 1: as if this man was totally in a rush to 108 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 1: get to work. He was just in the wrong place. 109 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: He didn't feel like a ghost, He didn't feel like 110 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: any of those things. He looked like he was in 111 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: a rush to get to work. He was perfectly alive 112 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: and had a perfectly good reason to be in a 113 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: rush to run through me. Just it's like I didn't 114 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:28,119 Speaker 1: know how to place what it is I just saw. 115 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, okay, I dealt with ghosts that 116 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: didn't feel like a ghost. I didn't feel spooky spirit. 117 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: While it's nobody I recognized, I mean, nobody in the family, 118 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:44,119 Speaker 1: nobody I was missing. I honestly felt I was looking 119 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: at another dimension. Even now, Why are his feet exactly 120 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: on the ground. I don't think they quite were. He 121 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:57,119 Speaker 1: was a little bit elevated, not by a ton either, 122 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: but he was still at a pretty good level to 123 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: run right through me. So I just didn't know how 124 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: to place that in my mind. What was going on? 125 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: What was I witnessing. Some people would categorize that type 126 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: of incident to be a residual haunting, like a residual 127 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: meaning they're stuck in a loop. This is like not 128 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: quite a ghost, not quite a spirit, but like this 129 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: impression left in time of another time, and you kind 130 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: of go into this time zone of up there riding 131 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: their horses through here, and they'll come around, I don't know, 132 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: every few months, every few weeks, or every few hours, 133 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 1: whatever it is. This didn't feel like that either. This 134 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: didn't look like a guy in a routine, just look 135 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: like a guy today, dressed like we would today. And 136 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: I have thought about it for years, like what exactly 137 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: was that. It's not something that I've personally seen a 138 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: whole lot of or even heard a whole lot of. 139 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: But in the past things have come up to the 140 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: surface where people would relate to me something that I 141 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: kind of resembled what it is that I experienced. Some 142 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: people have told me it looked like kind of these 143 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: invisible like people just crossing them on the road, going 144 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: about their day and again looking dressed like you or 145 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: I with today, but in a totally different like time 146 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: going on like unaware of us. It's like, are we 147 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: the ghosts to them? Type of thing? Isn't that wild? 148 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,719 Speaker 1: Can you imagine driving down the street and seeing that. 149 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: One time, I was in the car with a friend 150 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: of mine who was looking around like who are these people? Like, 151 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 1: I'm looking at don't see any people, And she's just like, 152 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: they kind of look like us. But I see like 153 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: this outline of purple, Like it's like, oh, are you 154 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: telling me the purple people eaters are among us? I mean, 155 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 1: what is it? I know when I was a kid, 156 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: I would say, oh, those little people, and in my 157 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: mind's I I was really certain there were very tiny 158 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: people that lived in my house. And I used to 159 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: go with my poor baby sister and say, you're not real. 160 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: The little people made you, didn't they? And she'd cry, like, 161 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Mom? You know she's talking 162 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: about these little people again. And I'm not talking about aliens. 163 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: I'm talking about really tiny people, like a couple of inches. 164 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: And I would go to the floorboards and just like 165 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: wait for them, like I know they're coming. Can I 166 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: say outright that I have a memory of seeing such 167 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: a thing. I really can't. But you know what I 168 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: wonder too. You know when you have these really lucid dreams, right, 169 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: and when you wake up from them, it's like you 170 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: have the answers to everything, but then it starts to 171 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: fade rather quickly. And I've heard this happens because it's 172 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: another dimension. So yeah, the details start to fade, which 173 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 1: is really frustrating. What I'm getting at is I think 174 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: I've come across something else. Now. I don't know if 175 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:25,839 Speaker 1: you heard my show called The Big Reveal on a 176 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: topic that Rudolph Steiner discusses, Well, I'm going to talk 177 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: about a little bit more and what it is that 178 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: I feel might be going on. It might fall into 179 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: a definition that he's also put out there that it's 180 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: just kind of blown my mind. I can't say I'm 181 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: an expert on the topic. I can't say that I'm accurate, 182 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: but I'll just throwing my two steps worth and see 183 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: what you guys think. And if you're somebody who studies 184 00:11:54,480 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: Rudolph Steiner and anthroposophy, maybe it makes more sense. 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Now 203 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: back to Heidi and Dark Becomes Light on the I 204 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast a M Paranormal Podcast Network. 205 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: Welcome back. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with 206 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast 207 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 1: to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Just before the break, 208 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: I was bringing up a topic that Rudolf Steiner has 209 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: examined and disgusted, and someone by the name of Madame 210 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: Blabotsky has also discussed in some of her writings and 211 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 1: her lectures. Wow, these things are so fascinating to me. 212 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: I have felt so alone in the world coming across 213 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: some of the things that I have, and it's been 214 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: it's been really eye opening and reassuring to know that 215 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: others have this momentum of understanding on the bigger picture 216 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: of some of the things that seemed to be going 217 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: on right now. So if you haven't already, I'm going 218 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: to encourage you right now to check out episode number eleven, 219 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: where I'm talking about another topic of Rudolf Steiner, where 220 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: I discuss who hat Man appears to be. I mean, 221 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: it's just just so much. I'll tell you right now. 222 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: I I connect hat Man to something that Rudolf Steiner 223 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: called to Aramant, which is just a long story. So 224 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: please check out episode number eleven so I don't have 225 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: to cram it all in here for you guys, and 226 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: it won't make a whole lot of sense. But anyways, 227 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: I want to get to another strange experience that I 228 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: personally had. And again, I don't consider myself to be 229 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: psychic or anything like that. Um, I just figured I 230 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: had a lot of bad luck. Though I have come 231 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: to an understanding about why it is I may be 232 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: the way that I am, and that will be another episode. 233 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: I promise I will cover it why these things have 234 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: happened around me? Um So, anyways, this happened to me. 235 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: It was over ten years ago, and I lived in 236 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: this place. I lived alone, and um there's a build 237 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: up to this story, but I don't really want to 238 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: go into that so much, only to say I found 239 00:15:52,680 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: myself standing in my hallway and I was expecting this 240 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: person to show up. Okay, so I'm standing there, and 241 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: sure enough, this woman shows up walking through my front door. Okay, 242 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: but my door was closed. She was just as solid 243 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: as you and I, and she came walking towards me. 244 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: I looked at her, I nodded, and then I watched 245 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: her walk through into my bathroom and I'm like, where 246 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: is she going? And I watched this woman go through 247 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: my tub and go into this this like step down 248 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: like lounge. It was beautiful. It was like purple and 249 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: funky psychedelic with funky music going on, and she just 250 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: she looked rather glamorous very colorful and walked down into 251 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: this open place. It was like a restaurant, bar, psychedelic lounge, 252 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: just just gorgeous. And I'm looking with my mouth open, 253 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: like what am I looking at? And I totally watched 254 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: the wall close up, and I'm standing there crying, what 255 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: just happened? What has happened? What was that? I was 256 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 1: blown away again. I am at a loss for words 257 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 1: for a lot of the things that go on in 258 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 1: this world, as I think a lot of us are 259 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: when we experience things. But over the years, I have 260 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: been paying attention to patterns one of my things, and 261 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: I have experienced handful of things that let me know 262 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: that there's some other kind of dimensional stuff going on 263 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: around us that we every so often step into, and 264 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: we don't always know the right words to say what 265 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: this is. And over the years, having met people who 266 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 1: are more in touch and able to see and experience 267 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: this other worldly stuff, who may call themselves psychics or mediums. 268 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 1: And it's not like I go looking to be read 269 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: or whatever. But when you're in my line of work, 270 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: you tend to bump into folks like this and they 271 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: become your friends. And I've got great friends who do 272 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 1: this type of work, and um, I would always ask them, 273 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 1: so where are you seeing my loved one at? And 274 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 1: why are all my loved ones still in the same place, 275 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: Like there's still on the other side. They didn't reincarnate, 276 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: Like they're just hanging out. And a couple of them 277 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: have said, well, yeah, they're hanging out and and they're 278 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 1: kind of in this place that looks something like Las Vegas. Myself, 279 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: I've even seen what looks like to be Chicago, maybe 280 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 1: like big tall buildings where souls hang out at And 281 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: I I couldn't understand this extremely materialistic like existence on 282 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: the other side, Like why is that happening? What are 283 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: what are they doing in a super materialistic, vibrational place. 284 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: It's not like what I've heard when it comes to 285 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: a heaven like place. Sure, we've got our ideas of 286 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: fluffy clouds and crystal buildings. That's something I've seen. So 287 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: what is exactly going on here? Now? Some of the 288 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: things that I've learned through a lot of different things 289 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: that have happened to me, UM, is that there's a 290 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: problem with this process of when people cross over, that 291 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: there is the stagnation of their development that these beings 292 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: I talked about all the time shadow people hat Man 293 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: that they are limiting mankind's abilities. They are slowing down 294 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 1: the role, slowing the roles at the way. Yeah, A 295 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: good way to put it um that there's this this 296 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 1: big problem them, and how best to defeat this problem 297 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 1: is to meet it head on and to show at 298 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: the door in this lifetime before you cross over into 299 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: the next lifetime, because they tend to follow unfortunately. So 300 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: one of my big things is to encourage that cutting 301 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 1: off before you get to that stage, of course, and 302 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 1: that goes for these alien beings, these shadow beings and 303 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 1: hat Man, they're all kind of connected and it's seems 304 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: like not, but you know, if you could close your 305 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 1: eyes and they feel the same with standing in front 306 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,719 Speaker 1: of you, I'd say there's there's a relation for a reason. 307 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: It's like we can discern good and bad. Right, That's 308 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: where I'm going Alright, So anyways, I want to get 309 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: back to this idea of this other dimension where past 310 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 1: loved ones maybe and why when I have seen these 311 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 1: people that are in this other dimension don't always seem 312 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: to be having their feet on solid ground. And and 313 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: my friends that are psychic seeing and feeling the same 314 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: thing I'll never forget so many years ago, the very 315 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: famous psychic something you may have heard of, Sylvia Brown. 316 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: I've heard her say that heaven is just three ft 317 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: off the ground here on Earth. Then there's my dad 318 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 1: who likes to say, well, Hell is here on earth. 319 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: And he was serious. I really believe he was serious. 320 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,959 Speaker 1: So what are we talking about here? I've got some 321 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: information for you guys. Okay, So this comes to us 322 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: from someone called Madame Blavatsky, who founded theosophy and helped 323 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 1: to start this whole momentum that got Rudolf Steiner to 324 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: begin something called anthroposophy. I know these are words that 325 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: I'm just learning my self, and I'm I'm just really 326 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 1: loving this information. So all right, there is something that 327 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: is called the eighth sphere, and this is a brief 328 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 1: description of what Madame Blavatsky says about it. The a 329 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: sphere numbering inversely is merely a planet like our own, 330 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: attached to the ladder and following it in its numbra. 331 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if I said that right, A kind 332 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: of dust hole, a place where all its garbage and 333 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: filth is consumed. To borrow an expression of the above 334 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: mentioned authors of the book Unseen Universe and on which 335 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,360 Speaker 1: all the draws and scorcification of the cosmic matter pertaining 336 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: to our planet is in a continual state of remodeling. 337 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 1: This is from her book called Isis Unveiled After reading 338 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: that and then looking into further bits of information on 339 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: this place they called the a Sphere. It's a place 340 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: said to be run by Ariman and Lucifer, and it's 341 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 1: this combination of all of our desires, materialistic and all 342 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 1: these different things kind of compounded into this fake dimension 343 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: of evolution for mankind. It's not the real heaven. It's 344 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: not the real place like Biblically, how do they describe heaven? 345 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: Is it say? Hey, you'll get everything you want and 346 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: it'll be awesome. In that regard, I'm I'm really asking, 347 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: I'm trying to better understand what's happening here. But I 348 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: think this place, this this Eighth Sphere place, is definitely 349 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: part of the reason why we're seeing the ghosts as 350 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: we do, and these spirits and these intermentional people just 351 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: off the surface of the planet. I know I've seen it, 352 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: I know others have seen it, and it's like there's 353 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: something else going on here. And I think this eighth 354 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: Sphere might be the reasoning behind it. Not to mention 355 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 1: how many times I've spoken about hat Man holding souls 356 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: in certain locations, trapping these souls very much like the 357 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:27,919 Speaker 1: eighth Sphere is said to be doing. There's so many similarities. 358 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: Can I say with certainty? No, I can't. I'm just 359 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 1: like you. I'm trying to pull the pieces together. But 360 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: one of the things that has me concerned is I 361 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: know what hat Man's alterior motives are. I shouldn't say alterior. 362 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,959 Speaker 1: These are his straight up motives. He's trying to stop 363 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 1: those who are gifted moving on and showing others and 364 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 1: evolving and growing spiritually, physically, all of the above. It's 365 00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: absolutely horrific. And then I learned of this eighth Fear 366 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: Place and Ariman being hat Man and hat Man being Ariman, 367 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: and here's this place that Ariman and Lucifer is rumored 368 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: to have created per the thought of Man Robotsky and 369 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:21,439 Speaker 1: Rudolf Steiner, among others. I'm putting that piece of the 370 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: puzzle in there. I'm inserting it, and I'm gonna let 371 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 1: you guys think it over as I have. I remember 372 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: Rudolf Steiner said, a hundred years from his time, these 373 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 1: things would be addressed, and lo and behold it's right now. Yes, 374 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: I know this sounds really far out there, but we 375 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: are speaking of the paranormal, and we are speaking of 376 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 1: someone who had some far out theories even for his time. 377 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: I like to pull everything in and take a good 378 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: look at it. But you guys are in for a treat. 379 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,719 Speaker 1: Up next is a guest and experience. Are just like yourselves, 380 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: and you are listening too. Dark becomes light with me 381 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: Heidi Alice on the I Heart Radio at Coast to 382 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: Coast AM, a podcast network, and we will be right back. 383 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 1: Stay right there. There's more Fidi coming right up. 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That's Coast to Coast am dot com. 426 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: Welcome back. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with 427 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast 428 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: to Coast AM Paranamo podcast Network. And as promised, I'd 429 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: have a fabulous guest joining me who is just like you. 430 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: He is an experiencer who has been in touch with 431 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: me over the years and has been really fascinating to 432 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: watch and hear about his personal journey to understanding his 433 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: paranormal encounters and taking those next steps to better understanding, 434 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: bringing these darker list spoken of topics into the light 435 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: where they can be examined and understood. So, Chris Riley, 436 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: how are you doing today? Hi there, I'm doing well tonight, um. 437 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: And can I just say that it is an owner 438 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: to be here with you tonight? Oh gosh. I am 439 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: the one that is humbled to have known you over 440 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: these years. And you've really uh, you've really been through 441 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 1: a lot of different things. And and first let's let's 442 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: explain to folks were exactly we're connecting from. Where are 443 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: you at? Well, I'm in a little time called cool Retch, 444 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: just outside of Glasgow and schooland awesome, very cool. And 445 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: today is St. Patty's Day and you're you're basking in 446 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: green light, you're saying before we started recording here, Yeah, 447 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: I've got sort of smart lighting, so I've got green light, 448 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: you know, looming down on me. Um in honor of 449 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: both you know, the show, uh and the spooking each 450 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,719 Speaker 1: Rova and Syn Patrick state. I love it. That is perfect. 451 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: And you told me you're a fan of Coast to Coast, Am, 452 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: it's really kind of hard not to be. I mean, 453 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: it is the ultimate paranormal program out there, and I'm 454 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 1: proud to be on the Paranormal podcast Network associated I 455 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: used to listen to the old Coast to Coast Reet 456 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: Deals with Yourself and thunder strikes and you know all 457 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: of all of those, um, all those amazing stories. Yeah, 458 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: oh gosh, George Nori is awesome and Tom dan Heiser, 459 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: they've been really generous and helping me with getting this 460 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 1: show on the air here and to help people like 461 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: yourself take the step forward to share about what it 462 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: is that you've experienced. I really commend you for being 463 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: brave enough to do that. So let's talk. Yeah, let's 464 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about what it is that you've 465 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: experienced over the years, Like what was the first reason 466 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: that you reached out to me that about what you 467 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: we're having. Well, when I was very young, I was 468 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: staying at my aunt's house and myself and two cousins 469 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: were sort of lying in bed together and they were asleep. 470 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: I was just lying there away, um, and I think 471 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: I must have been about eight or nine, and I 472 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: was just lying there in bed and the door was open, 473 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: sort of casting light onto the wall, but the rest 474 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: of the room was in darkness, and you know, there 475 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: was a shadow that just sort of seemed to appear 476 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: on the wall, and it looked to be of a 477 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: little girl, and it was a very distinct shape of 478 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,719 Speaker 1: a little girl, and it just seemed to move around 479 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: in a sort of very strange ethereal way. UM, I 480 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: couldn't tell you if it lasted for a minute or hours, 481 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: but it was. It was a very strange and frightening 482 00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: and hypnotic experience. Um. She sort of or it, I'm 483 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: not sure what the correct wording would be, sort of 484 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: moved in a strange way. And the shadow, it wasn't 485 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: a shadow like the other shadows in the room, because 486 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: you know, like it disperses through shadow and there are 487 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: shadows of different um darknesses, but this darkness, it was 488 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: just it was pitch black, despite being in the shadow 489 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: of despite being in the light of the door. Um, 490 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: it was a very strange experience. There wasn't really anyone 491 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: else in the house apart from um, my two cousins 492 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: Emma and David, who were in the bed at the time, 493 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: and my mom and my aunt, who certainly their silhouettes 494 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: certainly couldn't pass for those of little girls. You know, Um, 495 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: it was a very strange experience. Wow, So that was 496 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: your first experience that made you wonder, is this shadow 497 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: people experience? What what did you feel from this's what 498 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: you're looking at. Well, when I was young, I didn't 499 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: really know what it was. I I sort of thought 500 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: it might be a ghost of some sort. I was strange, 501 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: it was. I was frightened, but it was sort of 502 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: hypnotic at the same time. And over the years I 503 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: was just slightly obsessed with this thing that I had seen. UM. 504 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: And over the years I experienced various things like sleep 505 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: paralysis and all sorts of things. And Yeah, eventually, when 506 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: I think it was a teenager, I stumbled upon your 507 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: your your website and all of that stuff, and I 508 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: kind of thought, oh, so it's it's not just something 509 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,479 Speaker 1: that's kind of exclusive to me that i've seen UM. 510 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 1: And I found that very helpful. Yeah, So tell me 511 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: a little bit about what your sleep paralysis events have 512 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: been like. Well, I know a lot of people have 513 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: hallucinate when they have sleep paralysis, but that hasn't been 514 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 1: my experience. Really. It's more just um, it is more 515 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: just of waking up or as I'm falling asleep. UM, 516 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: just experiencing the sensation of not being able to breathe 517 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 1: well and not being able to move, as though there's 518 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: a sort of pressure on me. And I often find 519 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,879 Speaker 1: that it's an experience of sort of fear, and other 520 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 1: times it's almost as though there is a wind sort 521 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: of pushing me down. UM. But I find that if 522 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 1: you move a small part of your body first, it 523 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: becomes easier to sort of break out of it, for example, 524 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: your tour or something I see. You know, you said 525 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 1: that you don't experience quote hallucinations. A lot of these 526 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,399 Speaker 1: people who experience these things would say it's not quite 527 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: a hallucination either, but they're actually seeing something negative in 528 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: the room. Have you seen anything like that? No? No, 529 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I m I spoke when I say a hallucination. UM, 530 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: I haven't seen any kind of apparrestions or negative beings 531 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,280 Speaker 1: in my room when I've had sleep analysis to actually, 532 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,799 Speaker 1: did you have the sense of something else being there? Yeah? 533 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,839 Speaker 1: Sometimes I woke up and I would often feel as 534 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: if as if I was being watched. UM. And often 535 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: the sleep paralysis UM occurred after a particularly vivid nightmare. UM. 536 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: I have kind of I have kind of nightmares from 537 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 1: time to time, often in the form of terrifying faces 538 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,800 Speaker 1: popping up, and yeah, sleep paralysis often seems to go 539 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:34,360 Speaker 1: inside with those kind of very intense nightmares. That's interesting, 540 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: believe it or not. And I don't think that I 541 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,760 Speaker 1: don't recall having an email or a chat between yourself 542 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: and myself about these faces that have popped up, because 543 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,840 Speaker 1: I believe it or not, that's a that's a pattern, 544 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: um that people that Yeah, that that will. I met 545 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,319 Speaker 1: people who as soon as they close their eyes they 546 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 1: see these horrid faces like and their teeth and and 547 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: and like fighting at him almost like the something out 548 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,240 Speaker 1: of the Living Debt or or something, and like flack 549 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 1: ball memories that kind of thing. Yes, exactly, And well, 550 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: I'm just getting chills right now we're talking to you 551 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 1: about it, because I mean, I've known people highly disturbed 552 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:20,320 Speaker 1: and that resort to unfortunately drinking themselves to sleep or 553 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: doing drugs to go to sleep so they wouldn't have 554 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 1: this horrible thing going on. So uh, it's definitely something 555 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:34,279 Speaker 1: that a lot of people report. And then to have 556 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,399 Speaker 1: the sleep paralysis situation right after that, that's really telling 557 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,279 Speaker 1: to me that it indeed are the shadow people or 558 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,879 Speaker 1: hat man phenomenon. How do you feel about that? Well, 559 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: I must say it's quite a scary thought. Um yeah, 560 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,720 Speaker 1: I mean often the faces I don't know their faces 561 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 1: that I've encountered, you know, throughout my life. For you know, 562 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 1: if if I've seen a scary face somewhere, it's kind 563 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 1: of just it's almost like a rose galley of frightening 564 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,359 Speaker 1: faces that pop up in my dreams. And often when 565 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: I'm when I wake up, I will um, I will 566 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 1: have sleep paralysis um as well as that, I have 567 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,720 Speaker 1: other sort of sleep issues where when I'm falling asleep, 568 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,320 Speaker 1: I will be in a state where I'm neither awake 569 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: or asleep and I'm I'm conscious of what's going on 570 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,839 Speaker 1: to an extent, and i will talk, um, but I'm 571 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 1: sort of awake and asleep at the same time. I'm 572 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 1: not quite sure what that would be, but yeah, some people, uh, 573 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,800 Speaker 1: they determined that to be like you're you're in the 574 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 1: in between or a hypnagog like state, and uh, I personally, 575 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,360 Speaker 1: I'm one of those people who has very lucid dreams 576 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 1: and I love when I get in between the state 577 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 1: like that because then I could travel like That's the 578 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,840 Speaker 1: time that you could project yourself and check all the 579 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,520 Speaker 1: things out. So, but imagine being met with negative things 580 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 1: all the time in that space. I can't imagine having 581 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 1: that being part of the scene. I mean, it's not 582 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:13,839 Speaker 1: always negative. Sometimes it's more just um. Sometimes if I'm 583 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,440 Speaker 1: if I'm staying over with someone, they'll set and up 584 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 1: conversations with me and I'll just say all sorts and 585 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 1: I will have no memory of it the next day. 586 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:25,279 Speaker 1: It's um, it's it's not weird. Yeah, I hear you. 587 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:30,759 Speaker 1: So having these experiences intrigued to you to look further 588 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:35,480 Speaker 1: into the topics. How did you go about doing that? Well? 589 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 1: I essentially compiled this massive dream of paper of things 590 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 1: that I had downloaded on the internet about shadow people 591 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 1: and things like that. I always found the concept of 592 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 1: ghosts quite interesting, and I've always been convinced that my 593 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:55,799 Speaker 1: back bedroom is haunted. Oh God, what what do you mean? 594 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,440 Speaker 1: What's happening? Well, the thing is in my back bedroom. 595 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 1: Ever since I was very young, I have always had 596 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 1: this experience of going in there and it is always cold, 597 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,279 Speaker 1: and it's it's just always called them when the radiators 598 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,840 Speaker 1: on and in the corner when you walk in it 599 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,239 Speaker 1: or turn to your right in there at corner. There's 600 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 1: just this um, this this feeling of something almost as 601 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 1: if something is gliering at you. Um. And there's this thing. 602 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 1: I've had people in my house and they've gone into 603 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 1: it in the door. We'll just sort of slowly close 604 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 1: after they opened the door. It is a very strange thing. 605 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 1: And I hear kind of like footsteps in my hall 606 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 1: at night. I have a lambmate flooring and I have 607 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,719 Speaker 1: here just just bis our footsteps in my hole like 608 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 1: in the middle of the night. As well as that. 609 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,879 Speaker 1: Often I have a thermal stat in the thermostat will 610 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 1: just kind of go on I want at random some 611 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,439 Speaker 1: things and it's not on any kind of time where 612 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 1: it's very bizarre. Wow, it sounds like you are onto something, 613 00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,960 Speaker 1: and then it is a little bit what it. I'm 614 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 1: curious if you did anything to kind of clear that 615 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: out or not. But let's pick that up after the 616 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,800 Speaker 1: break so we can explore a little bit more about 617 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,440 Speaker 1: what exactly is going on. 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You 647 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 1: are listening to Dark Week Comes Late with Me Heidi 648 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,040 Speaker 1: Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 649 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:17,720 Speaker 1: AM Paranormal podcast Network. Joining me today is Chris Riley, 650 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,920 Speaker 1: who is from Scotland and I must applaud him for 651 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:25,240 Speaker 1: coming on this program, and you little listener are also 652 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,799 Speaker 1: welcome to join me here on this show to share 653 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,600 Speaker 1: about your experiences and your personal research or your personal 654 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 1: perspective on what it is that we discuss here on 655 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:39,240 Speaker 1: this show. Chris has a back bedroom that apparently seems 656 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,600 Speaker 1: to be haunted and Chris, I'm curious if there's anything 657 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:48,480 Speaker 1: that you've done to remedy the situation. Yeah, well, um, 658 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,160 Speaker 1: I kind of I was very young at the time, 659 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,880 Speaker 1: but I sort of put Holy Walter right in the 660 00:42:53,960 --> 00:43:00,520 Speaker 1: police and um, probably quite unwisely tried to um call 661 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,360 Speaker 1: out whatever was in there, tailing it to go away, 662 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:09,600 Speaker 1: But so did it? Was it successful? Not particularly? No, Um, 663 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,399 Speaker 1: I mean it's still like that. You know. I try 664 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,200 Speaker 1: not to go in there too often when I can, 665 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,440 Speaker 1: but I think I might move into that bedroom at 666 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:23,719 Speaker 1: some point. Avoidance helps. So I'm curious. Now, So you 667 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,400 Speaker 1: experience these things, you had an understanding that others had 668 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:31,840 Speaker 1: experienced shadow people and sleep paralysis, and and it piqued 669 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,960 Speaker 1: your interests uh to start researching the paranormal. What did 670 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,759 Speaker 1: you do? What did you look into? Well, Um, I 671 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,960 Speaker 1: was very interested in things like um ghost hunting, and 672 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,440 Speaker 1: I would often I would often, you know, pre COVID times, 673 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:53,400 Speaker 1: go go hunting with friends, or I would go and 674 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,000 Speaker 1: ghost tours. In fact, I can quite honestly say that 675 00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,720 Speaker 1: I think I've been on every ghost hunt that Edinburgh 676 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,000 Speaker 1: hast offer. I have been in every looking cranny of 677 00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:08,719 Speaker 1: Edinburgh's under billy. What's been some of the cooler things 678 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,960 Speaker 1: that you've uncovered in some of your adventures? Well, Um, 679 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,799 Speaker 1: part of Edinburgh is built on vaults which are underground 680 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:22,200 Speaker 1: sort of dungeons, and in these vaults all sorts of 681 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,839 Speaker 1: things have gone on. There's been there's been criminals which 682 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,600 Speaker 1: have had there. There's been our endous fires which have 683 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,640 Speaker 1: murdered people, which have killed lots of people. There's been plagues, 684 00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,799 Speaker 1: there's been you know, barking here. You know, the body 685 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:40,520 Speaker 1: snatchers actually had bodies in there at one point. And 686 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:47,160 Speaker 1: it is just teeming with paranormal uh beings uh. And 687 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,000 Speaker 1: there's even practicing which cove and I believe that works 688 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,560 Speaker 1: out of Nedery Street vaults. And I was there and 689 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,560 Speaker 1: I've seen orbs. I've caught orbs on camera. Uh. And 690 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,279 Speaker 1: there's a room which is full of children's dolls, and 691 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,400 Speaker 1: it is a room that is haunted by the ghosts 692 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,960 Speaker 1: of children who have died. And when they go there, 693 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,640 Speaker 1: they leave dolls for the children, and the dolls move 694 00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:15,280 Speaker 1: around and things get thrown, and they've also been smashed, 695 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:19,800 Speaker 1: even though only tour groups go in there. And wow, 696 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,080 Speaker 1: they've caught orbs in there. And in one of the 697 00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,920 Speaker 1: corridors and then I believe it's the Nedery Street vaults. 698 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,960 Speaker 1: There is supposedly a woman called an I believe that's 699 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:34,319 Speaker 1: her name, and she is supposedly has a pale face 700 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,759 Speaker 1: and wears a white dress. On one occasion, I went 701 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,160 Speaker 1: to the vaults with a friend. I was taking pictures 702 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,240 Speaker 1: and I often take pictures with him without a flash, 703 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,200 Speaker 1: just to give it diversity, so that you know, it 704 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,319 Speaker 1: has more chance of things showing up. And I took 705 00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,920 Speaker 1: a picture and and one of the pictures there is 706 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,440 Speaker 1: what I can only describe as a woman with a 707 00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:03,440 Speaker 1: frightening face, dark care and a long white dress, uh 708 00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,800 Speaker 1: in one of the corners where she's said to me. 709 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,680 Speaker 1: And what was even creepier as I went actually went 710 00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,120 Speaker 1: into that corner not long before I took the picture. 711 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:18,680 Speaker 1: It is a really frightening place. I feel supernatural stuff. Wow, 712 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,359 Speaker 1: that sounds like it now. And some of these uh 713 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,520 Speaker 1: tours that you've done, I mean, it's such dark, rich 714 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,239 Speaker 1: history going on. Have you brought anything home with you? 715 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,799 Speaker 1: It's what I worry about. Well, my first ghost too, 716 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,040 Speaker 1: had done when I was about eleven or twelve, and 717 00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,080 Speaker 1: I had done that with some friends and with a 718 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,720 Speaker 1: sort of tour. I had done that with some friends 719 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:47,879 Speaker 1: and youth club of sorts, and I found it very 720 00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:52,480 Speaker 1: scary because there's a stone circle which if you step 721 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,560 Speaker 1: into it, there is supposedly some sort of malevolent entity 722 00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,560 Speaker 1: which was conjured by some witches, and if you step 723 00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,200 Speaker 1: into it, you're likely to be attacked, and that is 724 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:07,640 Speaker 1: often the experience. And I felt after leaving, I felt 725 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,239 Speaker 1: very uh, you know, creaked out and as if I 726 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:15,880 Speaker 1: was being watched. Oh gosh, did activity at home increase 727 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,279 Speaker 1: at all? Not particularly, No, but it was it was 728 00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:24,239 Speaker 1: a very creepy experience. Nonetheless, I would say, so I'm 729 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,480 Speaker 1: curious too, like I know a little bit and what 730 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:32,160 Speaker 1: you discussed that your your faith has changed over the 731 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:38,360 Speaker 1: years having to do with the paranormal. How has that 732 00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:44,439 Speaker 1: impressed upon your experiences and your research personal research? Well, 733 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:49,040 Speaker 1: I when I was very young, I was raised Roman Catholic. However, 734 00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,120 Speaker 1: I had sort of night terrors when I was young 735 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,719 Speaker 1: about things like Jesus on the Cross and things like that. Uh. 736 00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:01,680 Speaker 1: And over time I found religious imagery and more upsetting, 737 00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,800 Speaker 1: and I found that I didn't really find that Catholicism 738 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,200 Speaker 1: was the right way for me. And when I was 739 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,680 Speaker 1: a teenager, I got very deep into things like Wicken witchcraft, 740 00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,320 Speaker 1: and you know, at a certain point I became interraced 741 00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,920 Speaker 1: in what you might call spirituality or New Age beliefs. 742 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:23,160 Speaker 1: And I find that that is is um a very 743 00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:27,640 Speaker 1: holistic world view, although I am trying to maybe become 744 00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,399 Speaker 1: more skeptical in recent times. I are a great many 745 00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:35,160 Speaker 1: things which I think can't easily be explained by signs. 746 00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:39,359 Speaker 1: You know. I see this big trend of people going 747 00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,360 Speaker 1: in the same direction as yourself, like they were raised 748 00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:47,279 Speaker 1: in in one or another religious institution, and they have 749 00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:52,120 Speaker 1: these paranormal experiences that also build character. And they even 750 00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,880 Speaker 1: for myself, I was experiencing things out of the ordinary 751 00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,960 Speaker 1: more often than I experienced anything angelic or God related. 752 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:04,000 Speaker 1: So I looked away from the church. I I really did. 753 00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:08,200 Speaker 1: And then uh, I came back full circle because I realized, 754 00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:12,560 Speaker 1: here I am dealing with these super dark things. I 755 00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,680 Speaker 1: better pray there's an opposing force. But I always say, 756 00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:20,600 Speaker 1: I feel like cheated in my faith because Jesus jumped 757 00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,960 Speaker 1: into my life and uh, physically where I was, I 758 00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,480 Speaker 1: had these encounters. So I had to UM, I had 759 00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:31,360 Speaker 1: to come back full circle, and luckily so because taking 760 00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,799 Speaker 1: on some of these demonic things, I don't know how 761 00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,440 Speaker 1: else I'd be able to do it, and it wouldn't 762 00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:40,960 Speaker 1: be by myself. I would need the backing of God Jesus, 763 00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:45,239 Speaker 1: you know, So UM, you're you're becoming more skeptical. Is 764 00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:49,200 Speaker 1: surprising to me that you would go in that direction. Well, 765 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,399 Speaker 1: I mean, as I see, there there agree many things 766 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:56,680 Speaker 1: that are not easily explained by signs. UM. So I 767 00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,359 Speaker 1: am trying to, as my brother in law would say, 768 00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,640 Speaker 1: not the baby out with the bath water, because I mean, 769 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,759 Speaker 1: I I still have bizarre experiences and I don't know 770 00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,560 Speaker 1: how to explain a lot of the ghostly things I've 771 00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:14,040 Speaker 1: experienced in places like the Edin Revolts and Gray Friar's Kirkyard. 772 00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,080 Speaker 1: But you know, I mean I even a couple of 773 00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,680 Speaker 1: weeks ago, I had a friend, Mary Clare, She was 774 00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:23,040 Speaker 1: caring for for an elderly woman and she was sitting 775 00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:24,760 Speaker 1: in the room with her and there was a shadow 776 00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,160 Speaker 1: person in the corner which she experienced and she was 777 00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:32,040 Speaker 1: incredibly freaked out by it. And apparently this shadow person 778 00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,239 Speaker 1: UM is a regular thing with this old woman and 779 00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,040 Speaker 1: she talks to it and I found that really upsetting. 780 00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:42,719 Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, she was very freaked out by it. 781 00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,120 Speaker 1: And I got your book about the hat Man and whatnot, um, 782 00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,879 Speaker 1: and hopefully that helps her to some extent. Oh, that's 783 00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,320 Speaker 1: kind of ready to give that to her. Well, you know, 784 00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,319 Speaker 1: and I don't want to. I don't want to make 785 00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,200 Speaker 1: it feel like I'm judging it because everybody has their 786 00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,160 Speaker 1: own experience. It's very said jective and the process that 787 00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:05,000 Speaker 1: we go through and trying to better understand this world 788 00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,320 Speaker 1: that we live in. And I think it's important that 789 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,880 Speaker 1: we observe and we pull parts into our belief system 790 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,759 Speaker 1: in order to figure things out for ourselves, what what 791 00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,839 Speaker 1: vibes best and right. And I worry when people are 792 00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:23,000 Speaker 1: ghost hunting and are met with negative things that they 793 00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:27,000 Speaker 1: have the positive power behind them to rebuke it, essentially, 794 00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,680 Speaker 1: because so many people get into trouble and and it 795 00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,600 Speaker 1: it breaks my heart and it breaks my heart and 796 00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,279 Speaker 1: and so I worry when I hear that. So I'm 797 00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,359 Speaker 1: just giving you a worry, But I'm glad that you're 798 00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,680 Speaker 1: taking the parts and like you said, you're not throwing 799 00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,919 Speaker 1: it all out there, but you're trying to uh piece 800 00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,440 Speaker 1: it together, which is commendable. And I think a lot 801 00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,640 Speaker 1: of people could learn a lot from you in that regard, because, um, 802 00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,160 Speaker 1: so many people just run in the opposite direction of 803 00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,120 Speaker 1: their what they were brought up with and I don't 804 00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,800 Speaker 1: understand fully, but then I do. But then I don't. 805 00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,640 Speaker 1: So it's healthy that we have these conversations, right, Chris, 806 00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,800 Speaker 1: I agree, And you know, while I'm trying to be 807 00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,239 Speaker 1: more skeptical, I mean I I I'm in possession to 808 00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,440 Speaker 1: tell anybody what does or doesn't exist. That it's just 809 00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:16,040 Speaker 1: based on my own experiences. And I'm of the opinion 810 00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,359 Speaker 1: that where there is darkness, there is light, and where 811 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,000 Speaker 1: there is light, there is darkness. So if there are 812 00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,879 Speaker 1: these negative beings out there, I mean, there's no doubt 813 00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:28,160 Speaker 1: there's something positive to counterbounds. It's so very true, you know, 814 00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:33,319 Speaker 1: I really am. I'm very hopeful that we all come 815 00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:37,439 Speaker 1: to better conclusions and remedies so we can help each 816 00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,080 Speaker 1: other out, like you are with your friend who has 817 00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,960 Speaker 1: experienced this shadow thing around this elderly woman. Uh. You know, 818 00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:48,560 Speaker 1: I'm hoping. I'm hoping that we can complement each other 819 00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,600 Speaker 1: that way. So what are your next steps? We have 820 00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,600 Speaker 1: like a minute left. I want to learn where you're 821 00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,520 Speaker 1: going with all of this. Well, I suppose just to 822 00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,640 Speaker 1: continue to try and expand my knowledge or these things, 823 00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,120 Speaker 1: and hopefully, when things open up a little bit more, 824 00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:08,080 Speaker 1: continue to goo stunt and continue to research these things. 825 00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,520 Speaker 1: I hear you, well, Chris. I have to say thank 826 00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,320 Speaker 1: you Chris Riley for joining me here. Oh well, I 827 00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,799 Speaker 1: appreciate you inviting me on. It is really an owner 828 00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,160 Speaker 1: to be here and m yeah, you're sort of a 829 00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,839 Speaker 1: hero of mine and I love this channel, so it's 830 00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:27,200 Speaker 1: really I agree, opportunity better. Super kind of you. Chris. 831 00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,960 Speaker 1: Thank you so much and thank you for coming on 832 00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:34,719 Speaker 1: this program. I want to welcome all the listeners to 833 00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:38,880 Speaker 1: please go to Heidi Hollis dot com and send me 834 00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,480 Speaker 1: over whatever it is that you've experienced out of the 835 00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,800 Speaker 1: ordinary that you'd like me to either read here on 836 00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,200 Speaker 1: the show, or you could be a guest just like 837 00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:50,759 Speaker 1: Chris and share about your experiences, your research, or your 838 00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,360 Speaker 1: perspective on anything out of the ordinary. The goal is 839 00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,799 Speaker 1: to bring these darker and less spoken of topics into 840 00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,920 Speaker 1: the light and to show how we can and overcome. 841 00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,880 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening and make sure to catch me 842 00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,600 Speaker 1: next time here on Dark Becomes Light on the I 843 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:11,320 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 844 00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:24,879 Speaker 1: And we'll see you next time. Goodbye, everybody keeping the light. Well, 845 00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,879 Speaker 1: if you liked this edition of Dark Becomes Light, wait 846 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,400 Speaker 1: until you hear the next one. You've been listening to 847 00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:34,760 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast Coast AM paranormal podcast network.