WEBVTT - Ep. 129: Live from Minneapolis 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.320 This is the me Eater Podcast, coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:17.680 bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening I'm Eating podcast, 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:46.920 you can't predict anything. You guys really made me feel good. 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:54.000 Thank you. Yeah, thanks for coming out everyone. Yeah. I'm 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:56.920 gonna start out with a couple of introductions and then 0:00:56.920 --> 0:00:59.040 we'll dig into some deeper stuff down. Then we have 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:03.640 our our produce, Sir Janice, who tell us we'll have 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:11.480 an eagle and uh. Also joining us is outdoor Calumnists 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:17.959 in general, outdoor writer Pat Durkin. You can't you can't 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:20.320 see it. You can't see it, but Pat. Uh But 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:24.880 but Pat Durkin has new tattoos. And I was asking him, 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:28.280 like why now, and he said that he's old enough 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:34.319 now where he doesn't have time to come to regret him. Also, 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:38.600 today we're looking. We're behind Pat's car and Pat has 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:42.280 what we thought was a vanity plate because his license 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:45.840 plate is to seventy deer. But he said it just 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:49.040 happened to happen that way. It's like a modesty plate. 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:51.800 It's not a vanity plate. It's like, you know you're 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:53.880 a true hunter when they send you a two seventy 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:59.120 deer license plate, it's my wife's car. And uh we 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:07.240 have Mark Ordman from Vortex Optics. And I don't know 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:10.640 about you, but I, uh, you know, I've worked with 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:13.000 and been friends with the guys a Vortex for forever. 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:15.240 And when you have a problem you call up. It 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:19.200 won't be you, but like genuine people answer the phone 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:23.239 and you can call and ask for Mark. Yeah. So 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:25.120 when you have an optics question, call this guy out 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:29.320 and talk to him. And then we have a frequent 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:33.040 podcast guests. Probably the most frequent podcast guest is Old 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:41.600 cal forty six or Ryan Callahan at be six four 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:47.160 oh six, Okal four oh six, o Califour O six. Uh. Yeah, 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:49.119 you know, I come like I come through here quite 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:51.000 a bit because you guys are such a you know, 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:53.720 like Minneapolis is such a hub and the thing I 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:55.720 think about often, like when even when I knew we 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:57.560 were gonna come here, because I think about this thing 0:02:57.560 --> 0:03:01.160 that happened to me years ago where I was flying 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:08.119 into Minneapolis to go to a weird sound. Yeah, well 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:09.679 I thought I was like, this is the end. Man. 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:13.560 I was flying in Minneapolis to go to this this 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:17.239 white buffalo's birthday party which was west here out in 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:19.480 the Dakotas. But I mean me and my wife flew 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:21.120 in we already married yet, and we flew into the 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:23.839 airport and rented a car, started driving down the road 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:27.000 and got on ninety four, and I saw like what 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:29.160 I believed to be to this day. It was still 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:31.840 velveted out, but what I still believed to be. I 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:33.800 saw what I at the time believe to be the 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:36.960 like still the biggest white tailed buck I've ever seen 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:39.680 in my entire life standing. It was like there's a 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:42.480 Walmart and there was a pond and a giant buck 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:44.960 standing on the side of the road. And it was 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:47.200 burned in my mind, you know, and when I when 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:49.080 I fly over now, I still try to look down 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:51.720 and make sense. I didn't think to, you know, put 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:54.200 a label on him anything, but it seems always sticks 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:56.080 in my mind. It was it was, uh the week. 0:03:56.240 --> 0:03:58.760 It was the week after fourth of July, and so 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:01.960 we we had west out of Minneapolis. We start getting out, 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:04.960 you know, you start transitioning out onto the prairie. And 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:07.240 even though it's a week after fourth of July, people 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:11.320 are still cooking off fireworks everywhere. At dusk, there's this 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:14.200 big thunderheads coming in and against these thunderheads and all 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:16.719 these small towns. You see all these fireworks going off, 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:19.200 and it was kind of between that buck and then 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:21.680 as as seeing that back in the evening that we 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:23.240 went a little farther and seeing all that, it was 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:26.200 sort of this combination of all things I like about America, 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:31.040 which should be like great wildlife, this kind of infectious patriotism, right, 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:35.039 a willingness to blow your fingers off in pursuit of 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:38.800 a good time and natural beauty and the weirdness of 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:41.360 it all, and also what the writer Ian Frasier kind 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:45.560 of lovingly described as the trigger happiness of being an American. 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:49.960 And uh so I think about that often coming through here. 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:53.040 This time through we did two things like last night 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:56.200 we we did a thing last night and I thing 0:04:56.240 --> 0:05:01.120 this morning. Last night we went out on Lake Minnetonka 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:03.760 and tried for a little while to catch a muskie, 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:07.040 which didn't work out for any of us. Joanna's called 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:13.120 a large mouth bass that was as big as his plug. Um. 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:16.240 They say it's the fish of ten thousand casts. Between us, 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:19.960 we logged a thousand plus casts. So we have nine 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:22.440 more trips to go and one of us to catch 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:24.720 a big musky. But the thing I like, it's kind 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:26.560 of weird because when you go somewhere and you you 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:30.000 if you go from not knowing about something and then 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:33.039 it quickly becomes your least favorite thing, it's disconcerting. But 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:34.560 this thing of that you get a boat that you 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:38.200 can fill the boat with water so that it sinks 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:42.440 down and makes a gigantic wave, do you then surf 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:47.800 on It's like the surfing version of shooting preserved pheasants, 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:56.920 and and like, you know, God forbid that if this 0:05:57.120 --> 0:06:00.599 lake did have one stretch of natural show line where 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:02.880 there was like some debris and reads and stuff, you 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:06.320 can kiss Agobie with the whole lakes and you know, 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:09.320 six ft waves. What's the problem. There wasn't a little 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:13.360 park that we fished in front of. It'll be gone 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:17.640 in a week. If this fad, it's just like making 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:21.480 surfing waves fads. Thing goes. But then this morning we 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:28.120 got up and did we visited the Federal Ammunition had 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:32.400 World Headquarters plant. That was fascinating. I'm gonna run through 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:34.479 a handful of things that I learned that I didn't know, 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:36.839 and you guys can jump in and crack me where 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:42.039 I might be wrong, but for starters, we were gonna 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:45.680 ask this as a trivia question earlier. A belted magnum. 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:49.800 The belt on a belted magnum serves no purpose, right, 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:53.679 It used to, but it doesn't. Now it doesn't strengthen anything. 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:58.599 It's just there for no reason. Um, it was just 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:02.479 so everybody else a Originally it was there to measure headspace. 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:05.159 The measure headspace, but now it's just there because people 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:09.720 feel that it ought to be there does nothing. Um, Brass, 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:15.280 why is it brass? Brass? Like that flash of heat 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:18.920 right expands the metal, brass goes back when it cools, 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:21.560 it goes back to the shape it was other metals. 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:24.160 If you made a casing and it expanded, it would 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:26.600 just conform to the contours of the thing. You never 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:31.640 be able to jack the cartridge out. Hence brass. Uh. 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:35.520 The color coding system with shotgun shells that it used 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:38.160 to be all color coded out. Everyone got away from 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:40.720 the different color coding systems, but the only one they 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:44.560 stayed true on is the twenty gauge remains yellow. Everybody 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:46.520 else kind of walked away from different ones, and in fact, 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:50.400 Federal makes a pink twelve gage shell which is like 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:53.080 breast cancer awareness, and some of the proceeds for that 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:54.880 go to that. They make a box where you get 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:57.880 it where it's all red, white and blue shot shells, 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:01.400 which is the Patriot Box, and that goes to veterans things. 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:03.320 But the rest we've just gotten rid of the whole thing, 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:08.800 all of that lead. So all the lead in the shot, 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:11.400 so everything, the lead bullets and all the shot pellets 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:15.520 that all comes from recycled car batteries from near here. 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:18.160 There's like Gopher what was it, I wrote it down, 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:23.800 Gopher Resources. Car batteries China, Mexico, all over the world 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:27.480 come here, and those lead batteries are what goes into 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:30.080 So when you're out shooting federal shot, you're shooting recycled 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:33.720 lead batteries, which I thought was pretty cool. Um trying 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:35.880 to then you know, what are lessons am I missing? Here? 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:43.280 He gets a drawn a blank. Oh, the plastic and 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:47.720 the shot shells is all local from Imperial Plastics. Did 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:51.559 you guys pick up anything you were on the tour? 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:59.400 I fed you half that stuff that I was emailing 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:01.679 myself during the tour of stuff that I didn't want 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:04.679 it forgets. I wanted to remember they put clove and 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:10.240 cinnamon in the ballistic gael yes, so it doesn't smell 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:13.960 so bad when it starts to melt. I found that 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:20.440 that was very interesting because clobe cinnamon has been used 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:25.480 to take down the smell at DAFT for a thousand years, 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:28.280 still in use today we're adding the federal ammunition. Yeah. 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:31.480 The ballistic gel is like animal gellatson. I didn't know 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:33.760 about that either. It's the most satisfying thing in the 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:41.199 world to slap. It's just like wow, I loved it. Um. 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:44.760 The biggest game changer, though, I thought, was this new 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:49.840 tungsten combination steel and tungsten pellets. That was with a 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:53.280 four ten shotgun. Now they're putting more kill shots into 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:56.080 a turkey, more baby's in that turkey's neck area. I 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:58.680 think we were like ten years ago with a twelve gauge. Yeah, 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:01.679 I thought that was really cool. Your children will all 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:05.400 hunt turkeys with four tens. Uh. But right now, like 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:07.760 in most states, you can't because the laws are sort 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:11.920 of lagging behind the efficacy of where they're at with 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:15.679 the new materials. So we learned all about all that stuff. Um. 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:17.360 First thing I want to get into outside of that 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:21.680 is uh, a couple of clarifications that I want to 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:24.800 run through from some other shows. Uh. We recently talked 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:30.080 about our friend Doug during and how his deer and 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:32.560 most of deer, like all the deer around here, like 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:35.920 deer aren't organic, right because most crop fields today, like 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:41.320 most agricultural as you go to the corn we lfel 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:43.960 for this does not organic. And deer are free ranging, 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:45.839 which is another thing we like about him and these 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:48.480 free ranging deer, I want to walk all over and 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:51.480 eat these crops. In fact, a lot of them feed 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:55.000 on GMO crops, is certainly not organic crops. So most 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:57.000 of the white tailed deer that we eat, we're not 0:10:57.040 --> 0:11:00.640 even organic deer. But Doug wanted to point out He's like, hey, man, 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:03.840 my dear aren't organic, but my cattle are because they're 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:06.720 not quite free ranging. So he's able to limit his 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:09.480 cattle enough to keep him organic even though his deer aren't. 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:12.240 Another guy wrote him, we're talking about road kill, and 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:17.720 we were complaining about restrictive draconian roadkill laws here in America, 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:21.240 and he says, man, the lunacy extends up to Canada. 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:24.360 He does, Dear moose Jaw, Saskatchewan. One day's driving on 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:27.559 the road and it hits the Hungarian partridge gets off 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:29.960 his car, goes and grabs it. A police officer pulls up, 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:33.000 thinking he's having car problems. The police officer, after while 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:35.720 I was like, what's in the bag? He tells him 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:38.240 what it is. The cop confiscates it, and the guy says, 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:41.200 the Morald of the story, I keep my road kills secret. 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:45.839 Another guy we're talking about, like, we're talking this thing 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:49.280 that happens where let's see go out and you get 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:50.920 a bad hit on a deer and you don't find 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:54.199 the deer until later, and the meats not salvageable, but 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:55.880 you find the deer and you want to keep the antlers. 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:58.319 We're talking about, like what sort of happens. How does 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:01.560 your relationship with those antlers change? Right? Because it wasn't 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:03.520 like you got it got it. You kind of got 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:05.280 it or not really got it. But now you have 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:06.439 this thing, and so what are you do when you're 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:09.000 looking at it? And this dude wrote in to say 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:11.000 that he hit one. He hit a buck with his 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:12.920 bowl and lost it and didn't find until the next 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:16.920 spring hunting morrel's and by then a squirrel had gnawed 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:19.199 off one of the main beams, and he was writing 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:21.880 in about wondering if it would make sense for him 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:25.920 to get a squirrel mounted chewing on his deer antlets. 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:29.480 And I was saying that I think that it would 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:32.160 better to ask me than to ask the squirrel this question. 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:35.360 But I would say absolutely, I would go ahead and 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:40.120 do it. Another clarification I think warrants some attention is 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:44.040 we had a recent debate about like if you say, 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:47.559 if you say I'm gonna thaw out a turkey breast, 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:51.080 it opens up the question is do you mean both 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:53.960 or does a breast refer to one? And someone says, like, 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:57.640 if you say he gave me half a breast, does 0:12:57.679 --> 0:12:59.720 that mean he gave you half of the meat on 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:02.640 a turkey or does that mean he took one side 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:04.560 of a turkey and cut that in half and gave you, 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:07.040 in fact, a quarter of the turkey. And this guy said, 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:09.600 you can solve this whole thing by picking up the 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:14.040 commercial poultry term of a lobe, and a chicken has 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:16.559 two lobes, so if you were to give someone a 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:19.679 loban you've give them half a turkey. If you were 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:22.160 to cut a lobe and half that's a quarter of 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:24.280 a turkey. And I'm gonna start adopting you will start 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:30.239 hearing the term lobe all the time on this show. Um. 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:33.640 Another thing on the subject of turkeys we talked about recently, 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:37.520 talked about a bearded hen. Most states don't say male 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:41.320 female wild turkey. They stipulate or specified that you're allowed 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:44.400 to kill a bearded turkey. And it's like, you know, 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:47.760 one in a hundred female turkeys have a beard. So 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:49.400 it just so happens if you hunt turkeys long, if 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:52.680 you're gonna wind up with a hen, have you you 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:58.400 got one? I passed up, You've passed up to no 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:04.480 negative negative. He was saying there's a hidden value in 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:07.920 bearded hens is you can get the rare opportunity, which 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:12.680 is otherwise illegal, to consume a wild turkey's egg. And 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:15.559 he got a bearded hand and found an egg, and 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:19.240 he reported the egg to be large, excellent in flavor, 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:24.280 with an unusually thick shell. Uh. In response to nothing 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:28.160 except maybe in response to my buddy Ronnie BAM's maximum 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:29.840 that you should never wear a hat that has more 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:33.320 personality than you do, a guy rolled in with the observation, 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:37.400 it's a proven fact that a man's credibility is inversely 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:47.360 proportional to the flatness of his hat brim. He I don't. 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:49.640 I don't agree. I don't necessarily agree on his pointing 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:52.560 out because Janni's for a while was running like kind 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:56.520 of flat brim. Yanni almost went flat. He still kept 0:14:56.520 --> 0:15:01.000 his ears outside of the hat, but was he was 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:03.720 like flirting with running flat. And I think you kind 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:06.640 of pulled back, right. I just usually wear them how 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:09.720 they come. I haven't been wearing hats as much of 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:11.960 the last maybe ten years or so, only when I'm 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:14.840 in the wood, so I'm not thinking too much about 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:16.640 how they look, so when when I get them, they 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:20.560 just go on my head. When I was a boy, uh, people, 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:22.760 it was a fad for a while to take your 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:25.640 hat and wrap the bill around a beer can and 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:27.560 put a rubber band on to give it like a 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:31.840 power curl. Yeah yeah, yeah, you guys aren't there, but 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:34.160 you're you're running. Used I used to hunk mine in 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:36.920 a in a pint glass. I just tramp it there 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:39.880 and shove it down in the glassubber band just in 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:43.360 a pint glass and curl it quite nicely. But you're 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:51.080 you're you're flattening. It's evolved that as the Jersey Tunnel. 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:58.040 Then another thing, uh, the journalist. I did an interview 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:02.680 with the journalist Tony Jones, and afterward he rode into UH, 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:04.400 He's wanted to send me this thing we talked about 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:09.520 earlier today that UH, Minnesota has released its new management 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:12.560 plan and they're figuring there's enough white tails on the 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:16.160 ground where they have the goal of harvesting two hundred 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:20.360 thousand white tails annually. And I remember seeing that and 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:24.520 thinking like, man, if someone wasn't familiar with just how 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:26.800 many deer there were and sort of where we're at 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:30.080 and and deer recovery relative to where we were, you know, 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:33.040 a hundred years ago, they would see that number and 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:35.360 maybe have like a funny feeling about it. But then 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:37.320 I thought it would I wanted to check and compare 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:40.000 it to something. And if you think two hundred thousand 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:43.240 deer is a lot, this country slaughters that many cattle 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:46.960 every two days. So that kind of puts that deer 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:52.000 harvest into perspective. Uh. Another thing to put into perspective, 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:56.040 and this this is for Callahan here. Ryan, can you 0:16:56.080 --> 0:17:00.680 explain how you recently did some liaising like you did 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:03.520 some liaising with are you comfortable talking about this? But 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:07.560 I keep asking a thousand questions about yeah, okay, no, 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:09.399 I mean there's when we set it up or do 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:12.760 you want to go for it? Okay. Ryan Callahan had 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:18.360 the audacity of hanging out with someone from the company Patagonia, 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:22.240 who has had over the years some like the founder 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:24.840 is a hunter, does some amount of hunting and fishing. 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:28.520 The company itself has given voice to some individuals have 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:31.320 decidedly anti hunting stance. And Ryan has been doing some 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:35.280 hanging out in liaison liaising. That's a word, right, And 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:37.920 we keep and people keep writing me to gripe about it, 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:43.320 like how dare you know? How dare he do that? Right? 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:45.760 And and and this is the last thing gonna say 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:49.320 about the topic. I do not mind now the great 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:52.800 I take. I'm starting to get kind of torked with that. 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:55.399 Go ahead, Well, that was all I would say, Like 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:57.280 if if I was gonna say, you know, you remember, 0:17:57.320 --> 0:18:02.439 like Nixon, that Nixon was so anti communist, right, his 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:08.720 anti COMMI credentials were so solidly established that old he 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:13.560 and only he could go and interact with Red China. Right, 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:16.320 So I'm like if I'm gonna send a hunting dude 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:19.280 to go talk to some non hunting dudes like you're 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:23.080 my Nixon's know what I'm saying. So I don't know 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:26.439 why it Also it's like, oh, he's selling hunters out. 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:28.760 He's not a true hunter now because he talked to 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:34.760 a non hunter. Please. Yeah. So I have this very 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:42.680 firm belief that we are not we're not doing ourselves 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:47.600 any justice by only speaking like I can come out 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:49.600 here and talk to you guys every night, all night, 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:53.760 no matter rain shines, no whatever, and tell you how 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:58.040 great hunting is and how much we do for wildlife 0:18:58.040 --> 0:19:04.480 and conservation and how we're supporting everything. And by doing that, 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:10.600 I am not, sadly not going to ensure that we 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:15.719 will have hunting, wildlife public lands access for the future. 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:19.840 I'm just not because our group just isn't going to 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:25.960 grow that fast. So speaking to lots of people who 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:29.320 enjoy that public land and that access, but they don't 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:34.919 necessarily hunt, they don't necessarily dislike hunting. That is the 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:39.680 way I believe that we are going to ensure hunting 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:45.600 public lands access long into the future of America does 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:49.679 not hunt. But how are we going to grow that 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:56.639 hunting number and ensure hunting because we have some you 0:19:56.680 --> 0:20:01.119 do it be hiding behind your middle finger. That's what 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:04.760 some people would like to see happen. So you're not 0:20:04.960 --> 0:20:06.600 This isn't a thing. You're not gonna sell us all 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:11.920 out all of a sudden, I've been a mole. Turns 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:14.600 out you're covering the hunting world for a long time. Yeah. 0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:17.080 I appreciate you taking the time to set it there 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:19.639 because I haven't had the energy to reply to the 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:22.879 to the criticism, but it's been annoying me. What the 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:27.200 gripe just annoys me. It's like, how dare you talk 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:30.800 to somebody who doesn't think the way we think? He 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:32.360 got an email to day from the guy that wasn't 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:34.639 gonna buy a first light anymore because Callahan talked to 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:40.240 a nine hunter. It's like, dude, I like, I saw 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:46.760 I sleep with one. I haven't sold y'all out. You 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:54.960 just lost your podcast, so betrayed all right? Here? Here 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:58.760 here's a here, here's a conversation. I think more some discussion. 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:01.040 This is a good one. It's from a dude um 0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:05.879 in California, non hunter, and I curiously to get you 0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:08.240 guys perspective on this. So he he has a garden, 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:12.000 right and lo and behold, all kinds of rabbits come 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:16.240 and start consuming his vegetables in his garden, and he 0:21:16.320 --> 0:21:21.080 gets to reading about how he or an appointee can 0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:24.920 harvest rabbits that are doing damage to his garden where 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:28.440 he lives. Gradually he comes to that he likes the 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:31.400 rabbits more than the vegetables because he starts eating the rabbits. 0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:36.560 So then he gets to thinking, I'm just gonna plant 0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:41.359 a lot more stuff that they like in order I'm 0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:44.000 really He's like realized, I'm really in this for the rabbits. 0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:47.679 But then he listens to us talk about different issues 0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:51.399 around legality, issues around baiting, So he's just trying to 0:21:51.480 --> 0:21:57.280 get like, ethically and legally, where am I? Like? Is 0:21:57.359 --> 0:22:01.879 this is this the baiting that everyone's always debating? And 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:04.920 in my perspective, like I can't speak, I can't speak 0:22:04.920 --> 0:22:07.520 to the legal situation in California. My perspective that would 0:22:07.520 --> 0:22:10.639 be it's like it doesn't matter in my mind, it 0:22:10.720 --> 0:22:13.879 doesn't matter that you've made a mental transition to perceiving it. 0:22:13.960 --> 0:22:16.800 It's like it is not the law would say, um, 0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:20.680 you could kill rabbits that are destroying your garden only 0:22:20.920 --> 0:22:26.320 if you're sad about it, like it would never like 0:22:26.400 --> 0:22:29.119 the law would never go there, you know. But on 0:22:29.280 --> 0:22:32.720 the on the legal end, I have no clue. Is 0:22:32.760 --> 0:22:37.080 it a game species California that yeah? And I think 0:22:37.280 --> 0:22:40.000 I think in California most states laws is doing damage 0:22:41.119 --> 0:22:45.679 to your personal property you can you can harvest it. Yeah, 0:22:45.720 --> 0:22:48.120 I read that. I thought this is a guy after 0:22:48.240 --> 0:22:52.040 my heart. That's the kind of stuff most of us 0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:55.240 grew up doing. I remember being stuck out in the 0:22:55.320 --> 0:22:58.560 horse barn where I lived a little bit shock basically 0:22:58.640 --> 0:23:01.399 with the one little win doll and sitting out there 0:23:01.440 --> 0:23:05.520 on the pellet rifle protecting the strawberry crop. Anything that 0:23:05.600 --> 0:23:08.440 flew in there, I shoot. I usually miss it, but 0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:11.680 that was your purpose for being out there, and you're 0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:14.760 encouraged to do that. Never rabbit came, so you definitely 0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:18.440 shot it. And the thing of baiting if it's something 0:23:18.520 --> 0:23:21.840 that the human would eat anyway, you'll never know what 0:23:21.960 --> 0:23:23.960 they're going to bother you about that. No, if you 0:23:24.080 --> 0:23:27.160 if it was migratory waterfowl would be an entirely different story. 0:23:27.840 --> 0:23:30.600 But it's not. So I think he's probably he's like cool, 0:23:30.840 --> 0:23:33.960 he's cool. Llegally, I think ethnically, it's not like a 0:23:34.240 --> 0:23:37.720 it's a pop. It's an ethical positive, you know, because 0:23:37.720 --> 0:23:42.840 he's gardening. He's raising me and vegetables. Yeah, I could 0:23:42.840 --> 0:23:45.000 thought it sounded like a really good dual purpose garden. 0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:47.359 Dual purpose gardening. That's what you got to do a 0:23:47.400 --> 0:23:50.439 book about that. And the fact the fact he's eating its. 0:23:50.680 --> 0:23:54.600 Most people that kill an animal doing damage, they bury it. 0:23:55.400 --> 0:23:56.920 This guy is eating the stuff I think is to 0:23:56.960 --> 0:24:01.080 be commended. He's feeling good. I feel good about it. 0:24:01.920 --> 0:24:04.760 Another guy, so a Texan rode in was something similar 0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:08.639 that that I like a lot. Uh. But he's misreading 0:24:08.680 --> 0:24:11.720 his regulations because he's saying, you know, you're not allowed 0:24:11.760 --> 0:24:14.679 to use a mechanical like you're not allowed to use 0:24:14.760 --> 0:24:19.160 electronic things on on archery equipment. Whatever. Well, he discovered 0:24:19.320 --> 0:24:23.359 he's a vapor like VP pens. Okay, it's like a 0:24:23.560 --> 0:24:27.399 thousand thoughts about VP pens. But he's he likes to 0:24:27.480 --> 0:24:31.280 have a man's he's running a mango flavored vape pen 0:24:33.080 --> 0:24:36.200 while he hunts. And the first observation that this guy 0:24:36.280 --> 0:24:39.600 has about it is that what an amazing wind indicator 0:24:39.720 --> 0:24:43.280 it is. He says, there's something about like the way 0:24:43.440 --> 0:24:45.639 that smoke hangs in the air that it's like it 0:24:45.720 --> 0:24:50.000 gives a very nuanced read of what the wind's doing. 0:24:50.640 --> 0:24:53.320 But then he starts to realize he's starting to think 0:24:53.400 --> 0:24:59.080 that deer are liking that smell, and so he's struggling 0:24:59.160 --> 0:25:01.800 with is like I'm sort of doing a sort of 0:25:01.920 --> 0:25:06.560 electronic baiting by vaping out in the woods. He's like, 0:25:06.880 --> 0:25:08.639 you might wonder why it started. He says, I like 0:25:08.760 --> 0:25:13.080 the party, and so trying to do anything to this 0:25:13.200 --> 0:25:15.200 and I'm missing, oh you know, I know what I 0:25:15.280 --> 0:25:17.160 was gonna say about that. I remember think besides anybody 0:25:17.160 --> 0:25:19.399 else's opinion about it. So he's wondering, like, am I 0:25:19.520 --> 0:25:21.760 crossing him moral ground here by vaping out in the 0:25:21.800 --> 0:25:24.840 woods and luring and deer with mangoes sent but um, 0:25:26.560 --> 0:25:29.320 the same thing he was already vaping in ways. It's like, 0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:32.720 you know, Doug Dern's piss is very attractive to deer. 0:25:33.119 --> 0:25:37.240 He wouldn't be like, yeah, buckman juice right right. You 0:25:37.280 --> 0:25:39.680 would never say like everyone could pee in the woods 0:25:39.720 --> 0:25:45.160 except dog because buckman juice draws in dear you know again, 0:25:45.359 --> 0:25:50.960 like it doesn't transfer over, Well, he wouldn't have you over. First, 0:25:51.600 --> 0:25:54.320 thanks for giving away my number one big buck secret. 0:25:56.160 --> 0:26:00.399 And second, seriously, I would think that if you are 0:26:00.400 --> 0:26:04.080 allowed to use sense and lures in your state, then 0:26:04.200 --> 0:26:07.440 that would just probably fall within that category. Yeah, I 0:26:07.520 --> 0:26:10.760 think he's worried for no reason. I wonder if he 0:26:10.800 --> 0:26:17.199 goes through a smoke shop. Seems they have alfalfa alfalfa infused. 0:26:17.280 --> 0:26:25.399 We uh, okay, that was on the subject of baiting. 0:26:25.480 --> 0:26:27.440 Now we're rolling back into I want to say, like 0:26:27.520 --> 0:26:30.040 on the subject of rabbits, even though we have we're 0:26:30.080 --> 0:26:32.600 a step removed from rabbits, but a good one. And 0:26:32.640 --> 0:26:34.160 this is the one that comes in all the time. 0:26:34.520 --> 0:26:36.160 And this is all part like we keep hearing about. 0:26:36.200 --> 0:26:40.919 Our three is the three R R retention of hunters, 0:26:41.920 --> 0:26:47.640 retention and reactivation. So you'd get people to hunt, keep 0:26:47.720 --> 0:26:50.200 them hunting. If they quit, you get him back hunting again, 0:26:50.960 --> 0:26:52.960 the R three. So I think all of these things 0:26:53.040 --> 0:26:54.840 falling the R three. Like to take this one. And 0:26:54.880 --> 0:26:59.440 this guy is like talking about suburban squirrels and rabbits 0:26:59.800 --> 0:27:02.000 and how people keep telling them, oh, you can't eat 0:27:02.040 --> 0:27:08.119 those because there's never an answer. But there's this like 0:27:08.280 --> 0:27:14.400 prejudice against suburban They live amongst dirty people. It's part 0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:17.440 it's like part of self. It's like self loading and stuff. 0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:19.920 I'm guessing right, that's what he's like. Do they eat 0:27:20.040 --> 0:27:25.480 stuff that that they eat stuff? Yeah, they eat the stuff. 0:27:26.359 --> 0:27:30.280 You know, nasty we are. I've looked into this endlessly, 0:27:30.320 --> 0:27:32.480 and the one the only one I ever heard. The 0:27:32.640 --> 0:27:36.320 thought was kind of interesting, like, let's start with the 0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:40.080 disease one. The disease ones, no, because like all these roads, um, 0:27:40.600 --> 0:27:44.120 it doesn't matter wild suburban. Even though the suburban ones 0:27:44.160 --> 0:27:49.200 are quite wild. Uh, there's some like some of them 0:27:49.240 --> 0:27:52.600 can have mites that could feasibly carry bubonic plague. You 0:27:52.680 --> 0:27:56.119 can get tularemia from a rabbit. I don't think that 0:27:56.200 --> 0:27:59.159 tularemia discriminates between ones that live kind of buy a 0:27:59.240 --> 0:28:01.400 house and ones of really far away from the house. 0:28:01.480 --> 0:28:03.880 So the disease one is no. But the one compelling 0:28:03.960 --> 0:28:06.919 argument I heard one time would be that what if 0:28:07.080 --> 0:28:14.680 the squirrel had eaten some rat poisoning And I've asked 0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:16.320 around to a couple of doctors and they just like 0:28:16.440 --> 0:28:18.920 they're just they don't but not seeing it. It would 0:28:18.920 --> 0:28:22.560 be that so it ate it and then you got 0:28:22.640 --> 0:28:24.200 it right after it ate it and then you ate 0:28:24.240 --> 0:28:30.280 its stomach contents or something. It just isn't a isn't 0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:32.800 a thing. They would have to stay alive long enough 0:28:32.920 --> 0:28:35.680 for that poison to be absorbed into the meat somehow, 0:28:36.080 --> 0:28:37.960 and even then it's like an anti there's an anti 0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:40.080 coagulant in it. It just I don't think it's a 0:28:40.120 --> 0:28:43.880 problem I have I don't have in a pretty suburban setting, 0:28:44.200 --> 0:28:48.440 but certainly by my standards very I mean, I'm I'm 0:28:48.440 --> 0:28:51.280 an urban I'm an urban night and uh in a 0:28:51.440 --> 0:28:56.520 very teeny towne. Yeah. And I have rabbits that live 0:28:56.600 --> 0:29:01.480 in my woodpile and I don't is Lee Malone. And 0:29:01.560 --> 0:29:04.640 there's this older fellow that comes and walks by my 0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:08.160 place every single day and the only thing he says 0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:12.800 to me is how are those rabbits doing? And at 0:29:12.840 --> 0:29:15.520 this point I kind of remind him that they were 0:29:15.640 --> 0:29:18.680 likely not the same rabbits because he has a sense 0:29:18.720 --> 0:29:24.200 of ownership. Um, and I have a couple of bulls. 0:29:24.400 --> 0:29:26.160 I don't have space on the insides. I have a 0:29:26.200 --> 0:29:30.800 couple of bull heads hanging outside the fish no like 0:29:31.160 --> 0:29:38.320 uh yeah, and uh so I think maybe saying it like, hey, 0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:43.080 don't kill those rabbits. And I have pondered killing the rabbits. 0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:47.479 And it's not this like, oh they're dirty rabbits thing 0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:50.560 that's keeping me from killing them. It's the Yeah, it's 0:29:50.600 --> 0:29:53.960 the old like outfitter adage, like you don't take the 0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:57.680 timber next to camp because get snowed into camp. You're 0:29:57.680 --> 0:30:00.160 gonna need that. Yeah, it's part of your like you're 0:30:00.160 --> 0:30:06.000 like a prepper. Yeah, like one day those rabbits could 0:30:06.040 --> 0:30:10.720 come in real handy. I'm not exaggerating. I've eat like 0:30:10.840 --> 0:30:14.360 over the course of my lifetime, I've probably eaten Yeah, definitely, definitely, 0:30:15.360 --> 0:30:20.080 way in excess, like into the hundreds of squirrels and 0:30:20.320 --> 0:30:27.000 rabbits from the rural suburban interface and some quite a 0:30:27.120 --> 0:30:34.560 number of squirrels from the epicenter of the nation's largest megalopolis, 0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:37.240 which I don't want to go into great detail about. 0:30:37.520 --> 0:30:39.720 And all you've ever come down with is lime disease 0:30:39.760 --> 0:30:44.120 and tricks and yeah. And when I got trigger nosis, 0:30:44.240 --> 0:30:46.000 it was about as far away from a person as 0:30:46.040 --> 0:30:50.400 you can get, so no problems there um on the 0:30:50.720 --> 0:30:52.360 you see how I'm You see how I'm like the 0:30:52.400 --> 0:30:55.479 trans how good the transitions are. Check this one out 0:30:55.800 --> 0:31:03.200 on the subject of food safety. Dude's wondering, Uh, bon 0:31:03.360 --> 0:31:06.360 in neck rolls? So I like bon in neck rolls 0:31:07.440 --> 0:31:14.240 in c w D. Right, it's that used to like 0:31:14.320 --> 0:31:16.520 we used to just like cut up a deer, do 0:31:16.600 --> 0:31:20.120 you mind? I used to cut him right here at 0:31:20.160 --> 0:31:22.040 the jaw and I cut him right here and just 0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:23.880 take that whole thing and cook it. And and it's 0:31:23.920 --> 0:31:26.480 like as much as as much as there's no like 0:31:27.240 --> 0:31:30.640 there's no evidence, not no evidence that we know it 0:31:30.720 --> 0:31:34.440 hasn't happened. Like there's there's no one's no humans contracted 0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:36.320 c w D as far as we know, no Kayo 0:31:36.720 --> 0:31:40.680 has contracted CWD. No black bears contracted c w D. Um. 0:31:42.240 --> 0:31:44.600 That's probably just though, because it's a fake, uh that 0:31:44.720 --> 0:31:49.120 he's made up by the government. Then I learned, I'm 0:31:49.160 --> 0:31:51.080 glad you brought that up here because I wanted to 0:31:51.160 --> 0:31:53.480 touch about the new is it honestly new idea? Like 0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:56.120 the new idea that it's all that is. I've only 0:31:56.200 --> 0:31:58.920 heard about that new idea in the last couple of weeks. Yeah, that, 0:31:59.040 --> 0:32:02.360 in fact, it's not true. It's funny because one, I 0:32:02.440 --> 0:32:04.800 hope that those people are right. I would much rather 0:32:05.080 --> 0:32:09.560 have to deal with a large government conspiracy, then I 0:32:09.600 --> 0:32:12.040 would have to do with the potential contamination of my 0:32:12.280 --> 0:32:15.880 my preferred food source. So it's like I hope that 0:32:15.960 --> 0:32:18.479 it's I would love it to tomorrow realize it's all 0:32:18.560 --> 0:32:21.320 this big lie. But I also find it's funny that 0:32:21.520 --> 0:32:24.840 so much of the that that, like some of the 0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:27.120 people who don't believe that there's a disease called c 0:32:27.400 --> 0:32:30.360 w D happen to be involved in the captive servant industry. 0:32:31.200 --> 0:32:35.040 It's like, that's like too coincidental and sort of convenient 0:32:35.520 --> 0:32:38.840 to overlook. But to get back to the neck rols thing, 0:32:39.160 --> 0:32:41.960 it's like, even though there's no like it hasn't made, 0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:44.960 that hasn't jumped the barrier, right, so there's no predators 0:32:45.000 --> 0:32:47.280 that have gotten that, humans that have gotten it. Um. 0:32:47.480 --> 0:32:49.280 There's a lot of questions about how long it's been. 0:32:49.680 --> 0:32:56.400 There has certainly been there. Humans have absolutely certainly consumed 0:32:56.640 --> 0:33:00.920 thousands of pounds of c w D. In fact that 0:33:01.400 --> 0:33:05.120 venison absolutely um. But it's changed the way I look 0:33:05.160 --> 0:33:09.840 at it. It's changed like now I'm like still do it. 0:33:10.360 --> 0:33:13.880 But if I'm like, hone in Wisconsin, we had it's 0:33:13.880 --> 0:33:16.040 like a c w D area and you get free testing, 0:33:16.440 --> 0:33:20.280 so you get back to like negative. But I still 0:33:20.400 --> 0:33:24.680 can't help perceive it differently. Well, when they did a test, 0:33:24.720 --> 0:33:26.560 the first thing I tell you in your card you 0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:29.680 get back, it'll say to the something to the effect 0:33:29.800 --> 0:33:32.880 that we cannot find evidence of c w D in 0:33:33.000 --> 0:33:36.560 your sample. But that does not guarantee c w D 0:33:36.960 --> 0:33:39.440 is not present in that meat. You know, day I 0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:43.719 tell you that. Um, the thing that we're doing now 0:33:43.800 --> 0:33:47.560 the wing Wisconsin is the law changed now. If you're 0:33:47.560 --> 0:33:50.600 in a c w a c w D area and 0:33:50.800 --> 0:33:53.960 you kill a deer there, you cannot remove the bones 0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:56.280 from that deer in that area. It has to stay 0:33:56.320 --> 0:33:59.000 in that area. And then like dug her And wants 0:33:59.040 --> 0:34:01.040 to have a dumpster for the public to use right 0:34:01.040 --> 0:34:03.800 outside of his farm there and his driveways for people, 0:34:03.800 --> 0:34:06.280 and people can dump their dump their bones there be 0:34:06.400 --> 0:34:09.440 done with it and not discarded, not being started out 0:34:09.440 --> 0:34:11.800 in the landscape. You know, because right now, in the past, 0:34:11.880 --> 0:34:14.840 you could basically shoot a deer at Dougs farm or 0:34:14.880 --> 0:34:17.719 my uncle's farm ten miles down the road and go 0:34:17.920 --> 0:34:20.640 home with it, and no one ever got ticketed for 0:34:20.760 --> 0:34:23.799 bringing home a deer across out of the county. Even 0:34:23.840 --> 0:34:26.080 though it's putting against the law of for fifteen twenty 0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:30.360 years now. But to get back to the question, you know, personally, 0:34:31.560 --> 0:34:33.839 at sixty two years old, I'm not too worried about 0:34:33.880 --> 0:34:36.759 being the first human to come down with c w D. 0:34:37.440 --> 0:34:39.239 The same way you look at the tattoo, the same 0:34:39.320 --> 0:34:44.319 thing the tattoo, the same exact thing. Um, But I'll 0:34:44.360 --> 0:34:47.200 be damned from that. Make a neck roast and sear 0:34:47.239 --> 0:34:50.839 it's my grandkids. You know, I don't think, okay, if 0:34:50.880 --> 0:34:54.040 it comes to a c w D area or any 0:34:54.080 --> 0:34:57.640 deer um CWD area, I guess I'm just not getting 0:34:57.680 --> 0:34:59.360 that worked up about it when I go out to 0:34:59.400 --> 0:35:02.080 Idaho and shoot an elk out there Arizona or something. 0:35:02.960 --> 0:35:05.359 But I I guess if I were in the Midwest 0:35:05.400 --> 0:35:09.280 nol though, like right here in Minnesota too, and northern Wisconsin, 0:35:09.520 --> 0:35:12.080 northern Wisconsin, we phone to c D c w D 0:35:12.239 --> 0:35:14.839 deer on the Wisconsin River up by Ryan Lander, which 0:35:14.880 --> 0:35:17.719 is up in a northern forest, which they aren't They 0:35:17.760 --> 0:35:21.080 have been sampling, so we can't say where cw D 0:35:21.360 --> 0:35:23.840 is not anymore because we aren't haven't been checking for it. 0:35:24.480 --> 0:35:27.480 And if we're gonna complain about our states not doing 0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:30.480 their job. Our agencies, That's what I'd say, We're not 0:35:30.560 --> 0:35:33.400 doing our job. We aren't doing a good job of surveying. 0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:37.560 They have a big area periodically to just make sure real, kay, 0:35:37.840 --> 0:35:40.760 because we don't know right now. Well, you have you have, sorry, 0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:46.719 you have c w D within uh you know, a 0:35:46.960 --> 0:35:52.480 hundred air miles probably of where you hunt elk in Idaho, definitely, 0:35:52.920 --> 0:35:56.200 and and and definitely I'm not that far off of 0:35:56.239 --> 0:35:59.239 a lot of places where I hunt and Idaho, and 0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:03.880 certainly I have it m probably in the spots that 0:36:03.920 --> 0:36:07.239 I hunt in Montana. So I really want to know. 0:36:08.239 --> 0:36:12.640 How comfortable are you taking that whole altc roast? I well, 0:36:12.800 --> 0:36:15.240 there again, I'm not packing any meet my name, bones 0:36:15.280 --> 0:36:17.960 out is boning it out and taking taking just to meat. 0:36:18.000 --> 0:36:19.520 So I don't I don't worry about a whole lot. 0:36:20.040 --> 0:36:23.000 But there's something about leaving that bone in that neck 0:36:23.320 --> 0:36:26.200 neck roast. I think that had me a little bit 0:36:26.280 --> 0:36:30.080 more uneasy. Yeah, it just feels a little different, did 0:36:30.120 --> 0:36:31.880 you think. I don't know if you have folks follow 0:36:31.880 --> 0:36:34.600 all this, but the preons that they think caused c 0:36:34.840 --> 0:36:37.040 w D is in that's a lot of it's in 0:36:37.080 --> 0:36:38.960 the spinal column. That's where they find it in the 0:36:39.000 --> 0:36:42.680 heaviest concentrations, and so who, I don't know. I guess 0:36:42.680 --> 0:36:44.600 I wouldn't want to do it. I feel like also 0:36:45.360 --> 0:36:48.399 it's one of the few recommendations that they actually make, 0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:51.759 like if you're not gonna do anything, like, don't do this, 0:36:52.040 --> 0:36:54.520 like like you said, stay away from the spinal column, 0:36:54.640 --> 0:36:57.840 don't saw through it. But then a legitimate question that 0:36:58.000 --> 0:37:02.160 I have about CWD is the deer aren't contracting it 0:37:02.239 --> 0:37:06.239 from one another by eating each other's spinal column. So 0:37:06.360 --> 0:37:08.520 it's like fluids or this that the other. So is 0:37:08.560 --> 0:37:11.040 it not even is it not necessarily even a hunter 0:37:11.160 --> 0:37:15.120 issue or I consume deer issue. Is it just it's 0:37:15.120 --> 0:37:18.160 in the landscape issue? Yeah, well it's a good question. 0:37:18.600 --> 0:37:20.279 But the thing you return to all the time is like, 0:37:20.719 --> 0:37:22.920 no one's gotten it. As much as I was goofing 0:37:22.960 --> 0:37:26.320 on people who I think, there's this big spectrum, like 0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:28.680 like when people are great about the c WD and 0:37:28.719 --> 0:37:31.400 the deniers, right, I'm using I'm making a little quality 0:37:31.719 --> 0:37:34.640 uh symbols of my hands right now, that's a spectrum. 0:37:35.360 --> 0:37:38.800 It's a spectrum of attitudes, Okay. And I think the 0:37:38.920 --> 0:37:41.239 ones who say like there's no such thing. I think 0:37:41.280 --> 0:37:45.719 is is goofy and kind of laughable, right, but there's 0:37:45.760 --> 0:37:52.320 a reasonable position to say, um, it's it's there. I 0:37:52.440 --> 0:37:55.120 agree that this is a thing that happens to deer um. 0:37:55.280 --> 0:37:57.280 It may have been here a long time. We weren't 0:37:57.320 --> 0:38:00.840 aware of it. We just we know when we identified it. 0:38:00.880 --> 0:38:03.359 But there could be this long window of existence where 0:38:03.400 --> 0:38:04.920 it was just we've just been having it. It's this 0:38:05.000 --> 0:38:09.600 thing that occurs naturally, not too long. No, you don't know. No, 0:38:10.239 --> 0:38:13.879 that the history that at disease, they would think based 0:38:13.920 --> 0:38:17.520 on what was first discovering Wisconsin, they thought it probably 0:38:17.520 --> 0:38:20.560 showed up probably somewhere between ten twenty years before based 0:38:20.600 --> 0:38:23.719 on the epidemiology or that disease could go back to 0:38:23.760 --> 0:38:25.960 the sixties. Yeah, when when folks say this disease has 0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:29.239 been around forever, that's not true. And you know, you 0:38:29.320 --> 0:38:32.040 don't want to just calm b users, but you know, 0:38:32.080 --> 0:38:35.879 it's it's just not true. It's it's just a really 0:38:35.920 --> 0:38:39.120 recent disease, and I just think we have to deal 0:38:39.160 --> 0:38:41.839 with it now. But yeah, when I go deer hunting, though, 0:38:42.200 --> 0:38:44.799 I you know where I hunt. You've been the farm 0:38:44.840 --> 0:38:49.520 where I hunt. Your cousin or aunt. My it's my 0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:52.000 cousin's farm. Now it's my my laid uncle and an. 0:38:52.120 --> 0:38:56.000 So that's where I yeah, yeah, And she always wants 0:38:56.040 --> 0:38:58.799 you guys to come back because she likes you guys 0:38:59.280 --> 0:39:01.719 all the gates. But it's still it's still for me 0:39:01.800 --> 0:39:04.200 as much fun as it's ever bend. It's something you know, 0:39:04.239 --> 0:39:07.600 our family gets together, sorry, one time a year hun 0:39:07.680 --> 0:39:10.440 the weekend basically, and that's it. It's still fun. But 0:39:10.880 --> 0:39:13.320 but I'm more careful about now as far as boning 0:39:13.400 --> 0:39:15.840 things out and as why as a person boning out anyway. 0:39:16.200 --> 0:39:17.880 But now I thought the new law is going in, 0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:19.960 I think, well, that's one of those laws that makes sense. 0:39:20.000 --> 0:39:22.440 It's a little more inconvenient if it makes sense, and 0:39:22.520 --> 0:39:25.280 I think, you know, you know, it's good public policy. 0:39:25.360 --> 0:39:28.080 I think, yeah, that that's what what I'm talking about. 0:39:28.080 --> 0:39:30.640 That that that like spectrum thing. I'm just trying to 0:39:30.840 --> 0:39:33.719 identify the point of the spectrum where my annoyance goes away. 0:39:34.040 --> 0:39:35.680 And the thing that I find is like people like 0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:40.000 I think I found about human beings is we tend 0:39:40.080 --> 0:39:43.320 to like easy ideas that make us feel good. So 0:39:43.440 --> 0:39:45.200 when I am talking to someone who's like, I don't 0:39:45.239 --> 0:39:47.480 see the big deal. I'm just gonna continue eating it. 0:39:47.600 --> 0:39:50.720 I'm like hell yeah, man, right for a couple of minutes, 0:39:50.840 --> 0:39:52.680 and then some other guys like, bro, do you want 0:39:52.719 --> 0:39:55.320 to be the one? And I'm like, oh no, And 0:39:55.440 --> 0:39:59.480 I get that sinking feeling, you know, its part is. 0:40:00.520 --> 0:40:02.400 I mean, that's that's what I struggle with too, because 0:40:02.520 --> 0:40:04.560 when and you know this, and I think you've I've 0:40:04.640 --> 0:40:07.640 heard you describe it this way, but when you pull 0:40:07.760 --> 0:40:12.799 that necrosed out and you do it correctly, you can 0:40:12.880 --> 0:40:16.880 basically take that spinal column and remove it, and it 0:40:17.080 --> 0:40:21.359 is so clean, and it instantly like drives. You can 0:40:21.440 --> 0:40:24.640 put it in the Smithsonian it is. It is so clean. 0:40:25.040 --> 0:40:28.279 And that is so deeply satisfying to look at that 0:40:28.960 --> 0:40:32.840 whitening bone that has zero meat on it, because I 0:40:32.920 --> 0:40:36.080 feel like I've just done my job as an appreciator 0:40:36.200 --> 0:40:40.080 of that animal, and that's what I potentially have to 0:40:40.120 --> 0:40:44.920 throw away because that neck is so hard to debone properly, 0:40:45.400 --> 0:40:48.120 Like you will never get at that clean in the field. No, no, dude, 0:40:48.120 --> 0:40:52.440 I don't care how nice your boning knife, you will not. 0:40:53.640 --> 0:40:56.440 It's wasteful to bone out of neck. You need to 0:40:56.520 --> 0:41:02.120 cook that some bitch down and yeah, times are changing, man, 0:41:02.600 --> 0:41:04.279 But again, I don't know if I'm gonna give up yet. 0:41:05.400 --> 0:41:12.520 On the subject of food safety, um health advisories in fish, 0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:17.160 so here we know like c W D Okay, it's theoretical, 0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:19.960 not theoretical, Like the idea that it was that a 0:41:20.120 --> 0:41:23.760 person can catch it has never happened. People eating thousands 0:41:23.800 --> 0:41:26.880 of pounds health advisories and fish, we damn sure know 0:41:27.000 --> 0:41:29.080 that heavy metals are no good for you. I eat 0:41:29.160 --> 0:41:32.680 that stuff like I eat fish out of health advisory 0:41:32.760 --> 0:41:36.080 lakes all the time. We eat big hall a bit, 0:41:36.440 --> 0:41:40.160 you know, without I never think about it. I try 0:41:40.200 --> 0:41:43.359 to hide the existence of health advisories to my wife 0:41:43.360 --> 0:41:46.719 because it's a conversation I don't feel like having where 0:41:46.760 --> 0:41:49.040 I live, Like where I live right now, they suggest 0:41:49.200 --> 0:41:51.360 that where I live right now, in fish yellow perchs, 0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:56.920 they suggest that you do not eat more than two meals. 0:41:57.719 --> 0:42:01.560 What is it, then, two meals of yellow perch out 0:42:01.600 --> 0:42:08.360 of this lake every month, but only yellow perch that 0:42:08.400 --> 0:42:11.480 are twelve inches Because at that point I think it's 0:42:11.560 --> 0:42:13.839 that at that point, when the yellow perches twelve inches, 0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:16.960 he becomes pisciferous, He becomes a fish eater, and so 0:42:17.040 --> 0:42:21.839 then he becomes a bioaccumulator um. But I don't pay 0:42:21.840 --> 0:42:23.919 attention to it because I just know that when I die, 0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:26.600 that's not gonna be what I die from. Like I'm 0:42:26.640 --> 0:42:29.400 not gonna die. And then they're do an autopsy and 0:42:29.440 --> 0:42:32.319 some dudees like was he eating perch? You know, It's 0:42:32.320 --> 0:42:36.480 just like it's just no way, man, And then this dude, 0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:38.520 I this dude I grew up around one of one 0:42:38.560 --> 0:42:41.320 of my one of my young fishing mentors, was this 0:42:41.360 --> 0:42:43.279 guy named Ron Spring, and they were trying to start 0:42:43.400 --> 0:42:47.879 the effects of heavy metals on mercury and other things 0:42:48.480 --> 0:42:52.240 on people who would consume fish, and everyone anywhere, everyone 0:42:52.360 --> 0:42:54.319 in a hundred miles of Ron Spring knew that if 0:42:54.360 --> 0:42:55.480 you want to talk to guy that eats a lot 0:42:55.520 --> 0:42:58.320 of fish, talk to Ron Spring. This guy's job he 0:42:58.480 --> 0:43:02.360 was a commercial bait fish, so he fished leeches, wigglers, 0:43:02.680 --> 0:43:06.799 dog worms, sane mentos, and supplied live bait to all 0:43:06.840 --> 0:43:10.080 the bait shops. But he also was a fish eating machine. 0:43:10.800 --> 0:43:13.359 So he starts going to Michigan State University for these 0:43:13.400 --> 0:43:16.520 batteries or no you of m they start having him 0:43:16.560 --> 0:43:20.080 out to do these batteries of tests where they say 0:43:20.160 --> 0:43:22.880 to him like, okay, check it out. You need to 0:43:22.920 --> 0:43:24.480 go to a grocery store and you gotta buy in 0:43:24.560 --> 0:43:27.319 a name like thirteen things he's supposed to buy. Then 0:43:27.360 --> 0:43:28.960 you have to go sit in the room by himself 0:43:29.480 --> 0:43:31.120 in a while later and like what are you supposed 0:43:31.160 --> 0:43:34.000 to buy? Again? And he came home from it once 0:43:34.040 --> 0:43:35.960 and said, Steve, I don't care if I ever a 0:43:36.000 --> 0:43:37.520 fish in my life, I wouldn't be able to remember 0:43:37.520 --> 0:43:42.800 that list. So but yeah, it's like I can't get on. 0:43:43.200 --> 0:43:47.200 I recognize, sure, but I just like catching neat and 0:43:47.239 --> 0:43:51.000 fish more than I feared out. There was a case 0:43:51.080 --> 0:43:55.120 in Wisconsin where a guy got really sick from I 0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:58.480 think as he a mercury or his mercury from he 0:43:59.320 --> 0:44:04.279 he took can pickled Northern Pike NonStop and ate it 0:44:04.360 --> 0:44:07.400 for I think he ate it daily and he did 0:44:07.480 --> 0:44:11.360 get sick. Was his name, Brody Henderson. I don't think so, 0:44:12.760 --> 0:44:16.360 but you know my my situation, I do. Actually they 0:44:16.440 --> 0:44:18.960 think he got sick. He definitely definitely got sick for him, 0:44:19.000 --> 0:44:21.520 But but then he was eating it in such quantities 0:44:21.560 --> 0:44:23.960 that he probably gotten sick of something. That's just he 0:44:24.160 --> 0:44:28.000 really lived on that stuff so and and it does accumulate, 0:44:28.160 --> 0:44:30.879 and it made him sick. That's a lot of it's 0:44:30.880 --> 0:44:35.160 a lot of pike, but he's eating it daily, well sick. 0:44:35.200 --> 0:44:37.040 We had to go to hospital. Did he get better? 0:44:37.960 --> 0:44:39.680 I think he survived it, but I don't. I don't 0:44:39.719 --> 0:44:41.920 have the whole history is it's probably ten years ago now. 0:44:42.440 --> 0:44:46.120 But the thing I think I was coming to when 0:44:46.120 --> 0:44:47.840 he when he was catching all these pike, did he 0:44:47.920 --> 0:44:52.239 have all the sinkers in his mouth? I did that 0:44:52.400 --> 0:44:56.520 for thirty years. I mean, you, okay, go on, But 0:44:57.640 --> 0:44:59.680 I should say though, that that is a freak a 0:44:59.760 --> 0:45:01.839 care and so I mean, when you eat that much 0:45:01.920 --> 0:45:05.200 fish where you actually make yourself sick from the build 0:45:05.239 --> 0:45:09.160 up of the heavy metals, that's such an unusual freak thing. 0:45:09.719 --> 0:45:12.080 I guess I just want I read that, but I 0:45:12.120 --> 0:45:15.040 thought I was just another freak story. Now that's where 0:45:15.080 --> 0:45:17.720 I write it off. I think for the average person 0:45:18.360 --> 0:45:22.040 to catch the kind of size pike and walleyes and 0:45:22.400 --> 0:45:25.759 and perch, whatever it might be, To catch enough of 0:45:25.840 --> 0:45:29.359 those those real heavy accumulated fish and then eat them 0:45:29.360 --> 0:45:31.440 on a regular basis enough to where you actually get 0:45:31.480 --> 0:45:34.160 sick is still take an awful lot of fish. So 0:45:34.280 --> 0:45:37.440 I guess I I read them, I pay attention to them. 0:45:37.600 --> 0:45:39.040 But then I started doing the math, and I think 0:45:39.600 --> 0:45:42.000 I'll never catch enough that fish to ever make a difference, 0:45:42.719 --> 0:45:45.799 you know. And so but but I think, for again though, 0:45:46.239 --> 0:45:48.320 that's for me, and when my wife was of a 0:45:48.400 --> 0:45:51.600 childbearing age, that we pay attention to that because I thought, well, 0:45:53.120 --> 0:45:55.240 again though, because I'm not the great of a fisherman, 0:45:55.239 --> 0:45:57.480 I look at how many wall as I caught three 0:45:57.560 --> 0:45:59.920 twenty inches long, that we're the ones you're supposed to avoid. 0:46:00.040 --> 0:46:02.480 To think what happens once a year? You know, where 0:46:02.480 --> 0:46:04.719 I catch your fish that big? And when that big, 0:46:04.800 --> 0:46:07.600 if you can keep tracking pretty easily and not feed 0:46:07.640 --> 0:46:10.279 it to her, and so so I think those kind 0:46:10.320 --> 0:46:12.000 of things that I think it's a good public information. 0:46:12.280 --> 0:46:14.440 I think we'd be bitching out our government if we 0:46:14.480 --> 0:46:17.879 weren't doing that. And so the fact, yeah, you can imagine, dude, 0:46:18.239 --> 0:46:20.640 if no one ever brought it up, and then someone 0:46:20.920 --> 0:46:25.399 some journalists unearthed these troves of research pieces about heavy 0:46:25.440 --> 0:46:31.839 metal contamination right Flint, Michigan on a fisherman level, and yeah, 0:46:32.000 --> 0:46:34.800 well not so it's a great analogy and that in 0:46:34.840 --> 0:46:37.799 the PCBs in fish on Lake Michigan. So I think 0:46:37.800 --> 0:46:41.760 it's a government's responsibility, you know, watching the public resource 0:46:42.160 --> 0:46:45.719 and publicly consumed fish has to do that, you know, 0:46:46.440 --> 0:46:48.799 it's I think it's a good responsibility. I think they 0:46:48.800 --> 0:46:51.000 should keep doing. And I'm always glad when it comes out. 0:46:51.040 --> 0:46:53.120 I I look it over and I got ah, I 0:46:53.160 --> 0:46:56.640 wanna affect me. I don't eat enough of them. I 0:46:56.760 --> 0:46:58.960 will say this. I grew up eating salmon about three 0:46:59.040 --> 0:47:05.279 days a week. You're from Pacific Northwest, and I'm still 0:47:05.320 --> 0:47:09.120 here to tell about it. I may not be I 0:47:09.160 --> 0:47:11.480 may not be the brightest, but I am sitting here 0:47:11.560 --> 0:47:15.919 right now. Uh. It's funny the way like people, oh yeah, 0:47:15.920 --> 0:47:18.160 go ahead, and you're still on the subject. Go ahead. 0:47:19.719 --> 0:47:22.600 I was gonna I was gonna move slightly off by 0:47:22.640 --> 0:47:26.400 something just occurred to me because I'm uh, for my 0:47:26.520 --> 0:47:28.600 tenth anniversary, my wife bought me one of these rubber 0:47:28.719 --> 0:47:32.040 rings instead of a metal ring ring. So you want 0:47:32.040 --> 0:47:34.040 to talk about like how we deal with risk, right, 0:47:34.680 --> 0:47:37.680 I've heard a couple isolated scenarios of dudes getting their 0:47:37.760 --> 0:47:42.520 ring hung up on something and sleeping their finger, and 0:47:42.680 --> 0:47:45.520 so for that it was enough for me to not 0:47:45.760 --> 0:47:50.440 wear my wedding game and switch to this. Okay, but 0:47:50.640 --> 0:47:57.360 I'll eat every contaminated fish that comes across my deep prior. 0:47:59.680 --> 0:48:05.040 We're all just like you're we're just like irrational. Yeah 0:48:06.080 --> 0:48:11.839 watch this. So you were worrying that when they're doing 0:48:11.880 --> 0:48:15.840 your autosic, they're like, fun of a bitch got sleeved 0:48:15.920 --> 0:48:20.200 and bled out. Yeah, like in some weird way enough 0:48:20.280 --> 0:48:22.080 to where I said to my wife, and I didn't 0:48:22.120 --> 0:48:24.759 ask for one, she didn't know what they were. But 0:48:24.840 --> 0:48:27.200 it's I've brought it up enough to the point where 0:48:27.280 --> 0:48:31.279 like at whatever point of spouse registers the idea for 0:48:31.400 --> 0:48:36.440 a gift, I've brought it up that number of times, like, man, 0:48:36.560 --> 0:48:39.080 you know, I sure hope I don't get sleeved by 0:48:39.200 --> 0:48:43.799 my ring. I think you need to describe sleeved. Well 0:48:43.920 --> 0:48:48.760 if if you ever want to see some terrible pictures 0:48:49.040 --> 0:48:50.960 if I happened to people who get sleeved, which is 0:48:51.000 --> 0:48:53.520 you know, uh, the ring catches like let's say you're 0:48:54.080 --> 0:48:57.719 screwing tree steps and you reach up and grab onto 0:48:57.840 --> 0:49:00.600 him and as you start stepping, you lose your you're footing, 0:49:01.239 --> 0:49:03.360 and it happens, and guys catch that wedding ring on 0:49:03.440 --> 0:49:06.319 the tip of that tree step. You want to see 0:49:06.360 --> 0:49:14.040 some gory. Just how many people start doing start? I wish, 0:49:14.120 --> 0:49:15.960 I wish. I remember the issue of Deer and Deer 0:49:16.040 --> 0:49:18.000 Hunting magazine when I was at Deer and Deer Running 0:49:18.000 --> 0:49:20.360 magazine back in the nineties. But we had a picture 0:49:20.400 --> 0:49:23.320 of a tree stand accident by Brad Herndon. He's a 0:49:23.360 --> 0:49:25.960 good writer and he's retired now down in Indiana, Indiana, 0:49:26.440 --> 0:49:28.400 and he had done one of those where he sleeped 0:49:28.440 --> 0:49:32.320 his his ring finger and we ran the picture in 0:49:32.360 --> 0:49:38.040 the magazine and I'll never get that image on my mind. Yeah, 0:49:38.360 --> 0:49:41.000 what turn. What would initially alarm me is I arked 0:49:41.040 --> 0:49:44.120 it on a boat battery and welded my finger to 0:49:44.239 --> 0:49:47.840 a boat battery. That's when I was like, how does However, 0:49:47.880 --> 0:49:49.680 I was holding the player and whatnot and messing with 0:49:49.760 --> 0:49:51.640 the boat battery and like leaning down, you know, and 0:49:52.280 --> 0:49:53.840 nothing like. Well then on there and I had to 0:49:53.920 --> 0:49:56.880 pop it off. And that's when I started my fear 0:49:58.440 --> 0:50:01.560 that I waited for. You here is the remedy with 0:50:01.640 --> 0:50:10.279 this here silicone, Well, I am convinced dangerous. Get this 0:50:10.400 --> 0:50:14.120 thing away from me. I'm gonna I'm gonna second follow 0:50:14.200 --> 0:50:17.880 up to that um because you're thinking about things that 0:50:18.440 --> 0:50:21.000 might get you in the end, Do you think about 0:50:21.040 --> 0:50:23.400 things that might get youander, like what the likely cause 0:50:23.520 --> 0:50:26.120 will be, what you'd like to be gotten by. I 0:50:26.480 --> 0:50:28.960 just go by, like I type in like what you know, 0:50:29.080 --> 0:50:33.960 like what kills American males. It's like the heart disease. 0:50:34.239 --> 0:50:38.120 So I just assume, like I picture dying from that, 0:50:38.600 --> 0:50:46.239 so you take comfort, You're just like, nopeart disease. Yeah. Yeah, 0:50:46.320 --> 0:50:48.960 So like when I think of death, I picture be 0:50:49.080 --> 0:50:53.840 being very old surrounded by loving children, right, extremely old, 0:50:55.560 --> 0:50:58.880 very loving children, And I just like, that's that's just 0:50:58.960 --> 0:51:03.040 how I That's just how I imagine it going down there. 0:51:03.680 --> 0:51:06.040 There's a lot of scenarios. Every time I make a decision, 0:51:06.120 --> 0:51:08.279 I'm just kind of end up with, yeah, i'd be 0:51:08.360 --> 0:51:12.239 okay with that, and I haven't there. But there's those 0:51:12.440 --> 0:51:17.000 like you're in gridlocked traffic. I'm like not not not 0:51:17.200 --> 0:51:23.040 today is in one of those times. But the final 0:51:23.120 --> 0:51:25.560 thought on the health advisory thing, which I keep kicking around, 0:51:26.160 --> 0:51:29.760 uh is how many h how many shots of alcohol 0:51:29.760 --> 0:51:33.200 are you supposed to do in one night? Like not many? 0:51:33.920 --> 0:51:37.759 There's one that no one pays attention to remember, like 0:51:37.960 --> 0:51:41.080 there's like legit health advisories about drinking booze, right, Like 0:51:41.160 --> 0:51:44.240 no one thinks booze is good, but people just drink booze, 0:51:44.320 --> 0:51:46.160 you know, And like I used to, we used to 0:51:46.239 --> 0:51:48.360 like to light bottle rockets and have them in between 0:51:48.400 --> 0:51:51.200 your teeth, like let it go at the right moment. 0:51:52.040 --> 0:51:58.680 What's the health advised me on that? So but it's 0:51:58.719 --> 0:52:04.640 on my mind man, you know. Um, speaking of fish, 0:52:09.480 --> 0:52:11.040 someone wants to know. We get a lot of questions 0:52:11.080 --> 0:52:16.520 like this, how do you guys freeze freshwater fish? Did 0:52:16.560 --> 0:52:21.319 you grow up freezing in buckets of water? I've seen it, yeah, 0:52:22.640 --> 0:52:24.880 I mean we didn't, but most of our fish was 0:52:24.960 --> 0:52:27.680 you know, either if I guess freshwire like river you know, salmon, 0:52:27.760 --> 0:52:31.400 steelhead or the saltwater. But um, pretty much when Vacuum 0:52:31.440 --> 0:52:34.280 series came out, I mean that's when we really started 0:52:34.280 --> 0:52:35.960 putting up a lot of fish and and being able 0:52:36.000 --> 0:52:39.359 to keep it for a long time. But growing up, man, 0:52:39.719 --> 0:52:44.640 growing up, I remember fishing up north and put them 0:52:44.680 --> 0:52:48.120 in milk curtains and then I'm yeah, getting it in 0:52:48.160 --> 0:52:49.719 their kind where they're just kind of floating in that 0:52:49.880 --> 0:52:53.319 real pack tip together and freezing that and taking it home, 0:52:54.160 --> 0:52:56.920 and later I remember my mom would always um, I 0:52:57.040 --> 0:52:59.200 never quite understood this when she soaked them in milk 0:53:00.360 --> 0:53:04.840 and then freeze them all right, didn't didn't ever question that. 0:53:05.040 --> 0:53:07.600 But yep, still taste okay. I just did that with 0:53:07.719 --> 0:53:10.560 pick the Dungeoness crab frolls at milk. Let us sit 0:53:10.560 --> 0:53:12.279 in my freezer. Year thought at all. I thought it 0:53:12.280 --> 0:53:15.040 was as good, not as good as fresh, but good. Interesting. 0:53:15.160 --> 0:53:17.680 But we always frolls fresh water fish in like we 0:53:17.880 --> 0:53:20.040 take gallon. My old man to like take gallon milk 0:53:20.120 --> 0:53:23.319 jugs or butter tubs or peanut butter buckets, anything like that. Man, 0:53:23.400 --> 0:53:25.840 you put the fish in there, pour water on it, 0:53:27.160 --> 0:53:31.080 and freeze it. But your whole freezer gets so yes, 0:53:31.120 --> 0:53:33.640 it is full of water. Yeah, you couldn't bring it anywhere. 0:53:33.920 --> 0:53:36.600 And these days we just vacuum seal everything. That's what's 0:53:36.719 --> 0:53:38.759 that's when I switched to Then I had like a 0:53:38.840 --> 0:53:40.800 love hate with vacuum selers because I think I was 0:53:40.880 --> 0:53:45.319 using like really bad bags because you vacuum seal your 0:53:45.320 --> 0:53:47.080 bags and you dopen your freezer up and they wouldn't 0:53:47.080 --> 0:53:49.560 be sealed anymore. And then I slowly realized that it 0:53:49.640 --> 0:53:53.560 was like you can't jostle them. People that rub them. 0:53:53.640 --> 0:53:55.319 You're like, you know, you're banging around your freeze trying 0:53:55.360 --> 0:53:57.840 to find something. You're you're jostle in the bags and 0:53:57.920 --> 0:54:00.800 banging them on the wires and your freezer bang them together, 0:54:01.280 --> 0:54:04.000 and you make small abrasions. So that's why when you 0:54:04.120 --> 0:54:07.840 vaccine something, you open it later, it's no good anymore. 0:54:08.360 --> 0:54:13.000 But I've now I've vac seal all fish, act seal 0:54:13.120 --> 0:54:20.680 all ah anything, birds, a vac seal turtles frog. The 0:54:20.760 --> 0:54:24.439 only thing I like wrap is red meat double wrap. 0:54:24.760 --> 0:54:27.799 Why why do you make a difference there? Because it's 0:54:27.800 --> 0:54:29.920 just like it just feels like a sole bulletproof man 0:54:30.320 --> 0:54:31.960 and it's just fast for me to do. I just 0:54:32.040 --> 0:54:34.560 wrap it in plastic wrap and wrap it and freezer paper. 0:54:35.239 --> 0:54:39.040 I like the way it looks in my freezer, just 0:54:39.200 --> 0:54:42.839 like it looks like Fort Knox in there. You know. Well, 0:54:43.200 --> 0:54:45.359 the way we decided is that um, I do all 0:54:45.400 --> 0:54:49.239 the knife work. If my wife volunteers to help and 0:54:49.480 --> 0:54:51.800 gets the vacuum sealer out, I don't complain. I just 0:54:52.000 --> 0:54:54.640 let her do what she wants. And and if it's me, 0:54:55.160 --> 0:54:58.800 I'd probably I find a paper less troublesome but she 0:54:58.880 --> 0:55:01.320 likes the vacuum steeler, and I can't tell a difference 0:55:01.400 --> 0:55:04.760 to me. That's another thing is wrapping meat the double 0:55:05.200 --> 0:55:09.120 wrap way. You can you can eat it two years later, 0:55:09.640 --> 0:55:12.000 three years later. If you wrap that, if you get 0:55:12.040 --> 0:55:15.359 that plastic wrap tight tight tight, like all air out 0:55:15.560 --> 0:55:20.360 tight like a condom, and then you wrap that wax 0:55:20.440 --> 0:55:24.080 freezer paper, it never goes bad then. So I just 0:55:24.160 --> 0:55:27.440 pulled that chunk elk out. And we've talked about this before, 0:55:27.520 --> 0:55:31.880 but I do as little cutting as possible, big chunks, 0:55:33.040 --> 0:55:37.880 no trimming. Wrap it in paper, no plastic, no plastic, 0:55:38.040 --> 0:55:43.800 no plastic. Uh god, I'm anti plastic as much as possible. 0:55:44.400 --> 0:55:45.880 Just you don't need to. You don't feel the need 0:55:45.920 --> 0:55:49.399 to just pump more plastic out into the planet. Correct. Yeah, 0:55:49.719 --> 0:55:52.040 you know it's like a freezer paper. I think technically, 0:55:52.600 --> 0:55:56.000 you know, it's got that little shiny there's only so 0:55:56.120 --> 0:56:04.880 much you can do. He's being inconvenience already. Yeah, but 0:56:05.200 --> 0:56:07.920 I'll figure it out one of these days. It's it's 0:56:07.920 --> 0:56:10.200 supposed to be used the way you're using it. I 0:56:10.320 --> 0:56:12.680 think when you when you look at the directions on 0:56:12.800 --> 0:56:14.800 the on that freezer paper, roll like right, there's a 0:56:14.800 --> 0:56:17.120 little diagram and they're like they have that weird roll 0:56:17.200 --> 0:56:19.040 that nobody I don't see every anybody ever. Do you 0:56:19.080 --> 0:56:23.319 know I'm talking about the roll Butcher's roll. No, I'm 0:56:23.440 --> 0:56:27.440 a corner to corner genuine Butcher's roll. I don't think 0:56:27.480 --> 0:56:29.800 that's how the Yeah, because there's like this weird like 0:56:30.040 --> 0:56:33.120 compressed air out of it where you roll up one 0:56:33.239 --> 0:56:36.200 end like you make a bag and roll it super tight. Yeah, 0:56:36.239 --> 0:56:37.640 I don't know. I don't know what that is. Yeah, 0:56:37.640 --> 0:56:41.080 I don't use it. But like I put this elk 0:56:41.080 --> 0:56:46.160 away stinky. I was experimenting, which I often do, and 0:56:46.360 --> 0:56:50.719 and it aged and it had like I started to 0:56:50.719 --> 0:56:53.680 produce moisture again along with it a bit of a smell, 0:56:54.680 --> 0:56:58.320 and so you know, I just kind of squinted my 0:56:58.360 --> 0:57:01.000 eyes and rolled it up and got it in the freezer. 0:57:02.280 --> 0:57:09.400 And uh, I took that out last week and it 0:57:09.560 --> 0:57:12.600 was fantastic, Like it had got it still had that 0:57:12.960 --> 0:57:16.800 ripe odor. No odor was gone, trimmed off the outside 0:57:17.840 --> 0:57:21.120 like some cultures they like high. Like if you read 0:57:21.160 --> 0:57:23.959 old French cookbooks, they'll say hang it until it's high, 0:57:25.160 --> 0:57:30.479 meaning smells off. Yeah, and I've read that. I don't 0:57:30.520 --> 0:57:33.120 know that term specifically, but I've read that that kind 0:57:33.160 --> 0:57:38.880 of shiny slimy is like ultra enzyme action on the outside. 0:57:40.240 --> 0:57:43.320 And there's things in old French cookbooks to hang foul. 0:57:43.600 --> 0:57:45.000 I can't remember it by that. You remember this the 0:57:45.080 --> 0:57:47.680 neck or the foot until it falls. Tell us in 0:57:47.720 --> 0:57:50.080 the neck till the body weight pulls it off to 0:57:50.160 --> 0:57:52.200 the bod, till it decays enough of the body weight 0:57:52.240 --> 0:57:54.400 pulls it down to the ground. And as mentioned the 0:57:54.480 --> 0:57:56.040 hunter times my day, I would talk about hanging dear 0:57:56.120 --> 0:57:58.160 until it had a quarter inch of mold on it. 0:57:58.600 --> 0:58:02.640 But we just ate he ate some uh meat. We 0:58:02.720 --> 0:58:04.720 discussed this. We ate some meat that had been hanging 0:58:04.760 --> 0:58:09.360 for eighteen months, eighteen months, aged in the fridge at 0:58:10.040 --> 0:58:17.840 eight degrees yeah something. It was controlled, tastes like cheese. Yeah. 0:58:18.800 --> 0:58:21.200 But Steve, before you before you move on, can be 0:58:21.280 --> 0:58:26.040 transition back to your the urban diseases, because I thought 0:58:26.120 --> 0:58:30.040 with your background, you'd you'd tell us about your days 0:58:30.080 --> 0:58:34.600 of hunting that um pigeons up in the up in 0:58:34.640 --> 0:58:36.640 the bridges. I mean, that's about as urban as you 0:58:36.680 --> 0:58:42.040 can get. The days Yeah, yeah, yeah, eating street pigeons 0:58:42.520 --> 0:58:45.520 out of like not you know, everybody streeting, not everybody. 0:58:45.520 --> 0:58:47.000 A lot of people eat street pigeons from out in 0:58:47.040 --> 0:58:50.880 the farm country, but eating street pigeons from cities, no problem. 0:58:51.200 --> 0:58:53.800 I've eaten streets pigeons off the streets of New York. 0:58:55.080 --> 0:58:58.360 I'm sitting here right now. There's your proof. But I've 0:58:58.400 --> 0:59:00.120 had a lot of ailments. Man, I've had a lot 0:59:00.120 --> 0:59:02.920 of weird ailments in my day, but not like not 0:59:03.160 --> 0:59:06.400 related to that weird ailment. But then you think too many. 0:59:06.480 --> 0:59:09.760 I had to like return around because I thought of 0:59:09.840 --> 0:59:12.440 this to day when we were touring the Federal plant. 0:59:13.720 --> 0:59:15.760 You're some about that that they have that lead. Okay, 0:59:15.960 --> 0:59:18.560 they get you take lead from They take lead from 0:59:18.600 --> 0:59:20.320 car batteries, and they brought these like ing gets, some 0:59:20.480 --> 0:59:26.360 recycled lead, but they add like these small percentages of antimony, 0:59:26.920 --> 0:59:30.560 which is a lead hardener. When I was a little kid, 0:59:30.600 --> 0:59:32.600 we'd go down to the Twin Light Gun Club, which 0:59:32.720 --> 0:59:35.800 was a mile and a half from our house. We 0:59:35.960 --> 0:59:37.600 go down there, check to make sure no one was 0:59:37.640 --> 0:59:41.000 actively shooting, go far down to the other end without 0:59:41.040 --> 0:59:44.680 putting any kind of flag or notification out, and take 0:59:44.800 --> 0:59:46.840 a screen that our old man made us. He made 0:59:46.920 --> 0:59:49.160 us like an archaeologist screens like a box of the 0:59:49.240 --> 0:59:53.600 screen in the bottom, and we would sift the burn 0:59:54.800 --> 0:59:58.200 to get all the bullets out of it, take those 0:59:58.240 --> 1:00:00.720 home and take a torch, and we had like you 1:00:00.800 --> 1:00:03.040 know those pots you melt lead in, and we would 1:00:03.080 --> 1:00:05.000 take a torch and melt all that lead and get 1:00:05.000 --> 1:00:07.280 all the impurities off, and the lead would rise up, 1:00:07.360 --> 1:00:11.240 and we had a sinker mold to pour our own 1:00:11.280 --> 1:00:14.200 split shot. And I never and it wasn't until the 1:00:14.240 --> 1:00:18.200 day that I understood, like when you would tooth tightened 1:00:18.440 --> 1:00:22.160 that split shot, you'd always hear your tooth crunch in 1:00:22.200 --> 1:00:25.840 a way that you wouldn't hear was store bought split shot. 1:00:27.280 --> 1:00:29.840 And I realized now it's like the minute they said 1:00:29.840 --> 1:00:32.120 to them, like so that's what that was, because it 1:00:32.200 --> 1:00:38.320 always had like a disconcerting like a disconcerting like crunch noise. Man, 1:00:38.920 --> 1:00:42.720 those antimony in there, I can't see out of that. 1:00:43.280 --> 1:00:49.640 I had a slight touch of tooth. And I had 1:00:49.680 --> 1:00:52.600 to laugh at the Federal Plant today because we were 1:00:52.640 --> 1:00:56.720 walking through the shot area. Um about the time you 1:00:56.800 --> 1:01:00.880 probably had your same realization. But they had this huge, 1:01:01.960 --> 1:01:06.880 you know, uh barrel full of probably number seven shot, 1:01:07.000 --> 1:01:09.960 really fine shot and it's just it's brand new, and 1:01:10.000 --> 1:01:12.400 it's just kind of glistening there, and I think every 1:01:12.480 --> 1:01:14.760 single one of us kind of staring at it for 1:01:14.840 --> 1:01:17.280 a second, and then just like a bunch of little kids, 1:01:17.320 --> 1:01:19.560 you're just like hands in this big thing. A lad, yeah, 1:01:19.640 --> 1:01:21.640 you can't not do it. I just got to get 1:01:21.680 --> 1:01:24.600 in there. And but my my brother, he would like 1:01:24.680 --> 1:01:28.720 collect mercury out of old He'd collect mercury out of 1:01:29.040 --> 1:01:31.760 thermometers until he had like a big ball of it 1:01:31.840 --> 1:01:34.840 that he kept the thirty five millimeter film candister, and 1:01:34.920 --> 1:01:42.360 we get that mercury on this roll around. It's which 1:01:42.400 --> 1:01:47.200 I think was stupid even then. It was like, you know, 1:01:47.320 --> 1:01:51.640 thirty five years ago, still stupid, are already stupid. Um 1:01:53.920 --> 1:02:01.680 legal and ethical conundrums of bartering or trade being fishing game. 1:02:03.400 --> 1:02:08.640 It's illegal, right, it's illegal to formally it's illegal to 1:02:08.680 --> 1:02:11.800 barter fishing game. Like just way in the nineteen thirties 1:02:11.880 --> 1:02:13.720 and and earlier, we started to set up laws in 1:02:13.800 --> 1:02:20.440 this country though, to de commodify game, um to to 1:02:20.600 --> 1:02:23.360 destroy the economic incentive for market hunters to go out 1:02:23.400 --> 1:02:26.480 and kill North American game and sell it. And I 1:02:26.600 --> 1:02:29.240 was like the first most important step we had to 1:02:29.280 --> 1:02:33.560 take to recover American wildlife. Um and they came into 1:02:33.640 --> 1:02:37.439 and said, you can't barter it. But who it's kinda 1:02:37.440 --> 1:02:38.840 it's kind of funny. And I got a buddy who 1:02:38.880 --> 1:02:40.520 one time was down on a dock and he and 1:02:40.640 --> 1:02:43.640 a guy he was coming back from lincot fishing, another 1:02:43.680 --> 1:02:49.440 guy was coming back from uh fishing spots shrimp. They 1:02:49.480 --> 1:02:52.600 didn't know each other, and they struck up a conversation 1:02:52.720 --> 1:02:55.120 and struck up a deal by which they would do 1:02:55.240 --> 1:02:59.440 a swap and an undercover game. Warden right there really 1:03:00.240 --> 1:03:02.120 doing if they were doing a formal you know what 1:03:02.280 --> 1:03:05.480 formal barter, what they bartying? What was he buttering for 1:03:06.440 --> 1:03:11.200 link cod for shrimp, shrimp lin cod for sport called shrimp. 1:03:12.240 --> 1:03:14.520 Because they didn't know each other and it was a formal, 1:03:14.960 --> 1:03:17.680 they were making a formal arrangement. They were like applying 1:03:19.680 --> 1:03:27.440 sort of mentally applying value in trading. But like my 1:03:27.560 --> 1:03:30.160 brother who lives in Alaska, when he comes down, he 1:03:30.280 --> 1:03:36.880 brings me king salmon and I trade him contaminated perch fils, right, 1:03:37.000 --> 1:03:39.840 but we don't it's not. But he'll even say, like hey, 1:03:39.920 --> 1:03:43.480 man um or whatever else, say, you know, bring a 1:03:43.520 --> 1:03:46.200 cooler down when he come because he's from the Midwest 1:03:46.240 --> 1:03:49.280 and he misses perch. Do you know that they that 1:03:49.440 --> 1:03:51.400 that those guys challenge it, they go to court and 1:03:51.560 --> 1:03:57.040 challenge it. Any idea, No, because I would think it's illegal. 1:03:57.160 --> 1:03:58.960 It's but it's illegal. But it's one of those things 1:03:59.000 --> 1:04:02.040 where you talked to a sensible person and go, I 1:04:02.080 --> 1:04:04.440 don't think that's the intent of that law. That but 1:04:04.560 --> 1:04:07.400 your judgment agree with you that typically when people get 1:04:07.440 --> 1:04:10.120 busted that kind of stuff, they're doing something they're getting 1:04:10.200 --> 1:04:13.920 real value for it. You know, there's usual money at 1:04:14.000 --> 1:04:17.360 some point and they exchange you know, like he's going 1:04:17.400 --> 1:04:20.280 to do. Would be let's say, like I give my 1:04:20.560 --> 1:04:23.120 my auto mechanic some elk of a year as a 1:04:23.200 --> 1:04:25.680 thank you gift, you know, like some people might take flowers. 1:04:25.800 --> 1:04:28.959 I take him a roast. Okay, well, if he wrote 1:04:28.960 --> 1:04:32.640 you an invoice and exactly exactly if if you were 1:04:32.760 --> 1:04:34.160 if I were to say, hey, if I give you 1:04:34.360 --> 1:04:37.240 half an elk, but you fixed my transmission next week, 1:04:37.680 --> 1:04:40.960 that'd be illegal. You know, that's cut and dried. But 1:04:41.160 --> 1:04:44.320 you know, fish shrimp for fish. I would think any 1:04:44.440 --> 1:04:46.720 any reasonable person to say that's that's not right. But 1:04:46.920 --> 1:04:49.400 what if you were to say, Hey, I have this 1:04:49.520 --> 1:04:54.160 real nice lind cod play here. How about you give 1:04:54.240 --> 1:05:04.240 me ten pounds of spots, And then Rude said he said, yeah, 1:05:04.560 --> 1:05:09.560 I think it's only worth five pounds, and he goes, 1:05:10.040 --> 1:05:13.280 all right, how about we settle somewhere in seven a 1:05:13.320 --> 1:05:18.560 half pounds. I still think that, right, No, if he's like, dude, 1:05:18.640 --> 1:05:23.280 these spots shrimp tails are thirty bucks a pound, give 1:05:23.320 --> 1:05:26.040 me the whole damn link, right that you agree that 1:05:26.080 --> 1:05:29.680 there's a point at which but but I agree to 1:05:29.800 --> 1:05:32.960 in the in the spirit of the law thing, the 1:05:33.040 --> 1:05:35.280 spirit laws, the spirit of the law. I agree that 1:05:35.560 --> 1:05:37.760 my brother is saying, hey, I'm gonna bring down the 1:05:37.920 --> 1:05:42.960 king Sam Flay, and I'm like, that's great. Regardless I 1:05:43.120 --> 1:05:46.000 was gonna give you some yellow perch. No one's ever 1:05:46.080 --> 1:05:50.480 gonna I mean, yeah, like I see why that's in 1:05:50.640 --> 1:05:54.480 place and think it should be in place. But then 1:05:54.560 --> 1:05:58.280 also like on like a very basic human level, that's 1:05:58.320 --> 1:06:01.240 kind of like you do as a human being, like 1:06:01.360 --> 1:06:05.840 from the beginning of time, Right, it's hard to like toy. Yeah, 1:06:05.840 --> 1:06:07.240 like you said, there's tears of it. It's like all 1:06:07.240 --> 1:06:08.600 of a sudden you're here and it's like, Okay, this 1:06:08.680 --> 1:06:11.200 seems like super meto normal like and then all of 1:06:11.200 --> 1:06:15.720 a sudden, you know, escalates pretty quickly. I say, amongst friends, 1:06:15.840 --> 1:06:19.240 I've never been like, whoa, whoa, nah, give me some 1:06:19.320 --> 1:06:22.919 of that back you can only have. Oh, that's because 1:06:22.920 --> 1:06:25.480 I've never taken it to the like you never say 1:06:25.520 --> 1:06:29.800 to a guy where your body's gonna bring you, say, 1:06:30.440 --> 1:06:32.640 gonna bring you some some white tail meat, and you're 1:06:32.680 --> 1:06:35.760 gonna swap mouth some wallee. I've never seen someone take 1:06:35.800 --> 1:06:38.640 it to be like well how much? How much you 1:06:38.720 --> 1:06:40.240 bring it down? So I'm trying to figure out when 1:06:40.240 --> 1:06:42.800 I go into my freezer, how many my milk jugs 1:06:42.880 --> 1:06:47.720 full of calfish phlats. Yes, I guess I've never seen 1:06:47.760 --> 1:06:51.680 it get abusive, you know, in all the years that 1:06:51.720 --> 1:06:56.000 i've I never have kind of engaged in it, you know, 1:06:56.080 --> 1:07:00.760 honest I think, I mean, oh, you've seen it get abusive? 1:07:01.640 --> 1:07:07.360 Well no, I used to make sure laban smirk, You're like, 1:07:07.600 --> 1:07:13.800 you're like an illegal barter. I used to be go on, 1:07:14.160 --> 1:07:17.640 go on. That's when I was living in Colorado and 1:07:17.840 --> 1:07:20.960 in a ski town, you know, and I was whatever, 1:07:21.120 --> 1:07:24.480 making fifteen bucks an hour and um, I'd always have 1:07:24.560 --> 1:07:26.600 a lot of elp meat. So some of the main 1:07:26.760 --> 1:07:30.200 things that I constantly for I don't know, a half 1:07:30.240 --> 1:07:35.959 dozen years, I would barter forward the ski tunes ski 1:07:36.280 --> 1:07:40.200 passes because I had seasons you were buying ski passes 1:07:40.280 --> 1:07:43.280 with elk meat. Well, so anybody that works for the 1:07:43.360 --> 1:07:45.600 mountain gets like, well, you used to be this. It's 1:07:45.640 --> 1:07:47.400 not that way anymore. But back in the day used 1:07:47.400 --> 1:07:49.240 to get to say, I don't know, ten or twenty 1:07:49.280 --> 1:07:52.160 three ski passes, which if you're skiing at Vail or 1:07:52.280 --> 1:07:54.720 be Creek, those were like eighty or a hundred dollars 1:07:54.960 --> 1:07:57.800 value of peace. So if I had friends coming into town, 1:07:57.840 --> 1:07:59.640 I didn't have any of those if I wasn't working 1:07:59.680 --> 1:08:01.760 for them out and how you're gonna get them to ski, 1:08:02.040 --> 1:08:05.360 you know, like get them up on the mountain. So yeah, 1:08:06.200 --> 1:08:09.320 so I was very much calculating exactly how much that 1:08:09.440 --> 1:08:11.920 I around was worth because you're you know, you're writing 1:08:11.920 --> 1:08:16.400 it out on little re seats, you know. Um. And 1:08:16.439 --> 1:08:24.200 then I got a few oil changes too, so I 1:08:24.200 --> 1:08:27.760 don't remember time. It's are you now like repentant or 1:08:27.920 --> 1:08:29.320 are you like or? And I would do the same 1:08:29.360 --> 1:08:32.400 thing again. I wouldn't do it again. I mean, now 1:08:32.439 --> 1:08:36.080 I know better fact, and I didn't know. I don't think. 1:08:37.240 --> 1:08:39.720 I don't think any less of you hearing this. They 1:08:39.800 --> 1:08:43.040 probably I'm guessing that they're private a good hunter man 1:08:43.400 --> 1:08:45.960 like playing me for myself and plenty to barter with. 1:08:46.280 --> 1:08:51.120 You know, did you know at the time, did you 1:08:51.320 --> 1:08:56.799 know that it was that you were you were potentially 1:08:56.880 --> 1:09:00.360 crossing a while no idea. And I think too if 1:09:00.439 --> 1:09:03.000 you were like coming back from them, if you're going 1:09:03.040 --> 1:09:06.519 to the back door of a butcher's shop and meeting 1:09:06.560 --> 1:09:09.680 something in the back lot saying here, now give me 1:09:09.800 --> 1:09:14.680 your ski passes, that gets to be I think a 1:09:14.720 --> 1:09:17.280 little more questionable just because you know you're on site 1:09:17.360 --> 1:09:20.040 where you know that's their business and cutting up meat. 1:09:20.880 --> 1:09:23.920 Is this something about the um it's a term for 1:09:24.000 --> 1:09:27.600 that where you're in the context the context of it 1:09:28.760 --> 1:09:30.320 where I think when you go back to your apartment 1:09:30.600 --> 1:09:33.920 and it's now buddy the buddy, it's I don't know, 1:09:33.960 --> 1:09:36.000 it's hard to have to get you judge bent from 1:09:36.080 --> 1:09:38.920 for me on that. So especially college kids, you know, 1:09:39.560 --> 1:09:42.280 I can see that you get a citation right, and 1:09:42.320 --> 1:09:44.320 then you're like digging in your freeze. You're like, how 1:09:44.439 --> 1:09:49.240 much does that ticket? Again, you just happen to have 1:09:49.360 --> 1:09:57.639 a couple of tender loins, um, I guess to your point, 1:09:58.920 --> 1:10:00.680 we were having a dinner over at my house the 1:10:00.760 --> 1:10:05.040 other night and uh, you know, get you have buffalo 1:10:05.160 --> 1:10:08.320 skull up there and stuff and which came off a 1:10:08.439 --> 1:10:12.040 private land and I was explaining how, yeah, you know 1:10:12.520 --> 1:10:18.439 the rule is and and uh and we're talking away 1:10:18.439 --> 1:10:20.400 and I was like, yeah, one one. I have this 1:10:20.560 --> 1:10:25.880 regret where I was guiding in New Mexico and uh, 1:10:26.600 --> 1:10:30.560 I had found this rock that was, you know, the 1:10:30.640 --> 1:10:32.639 size of like a big medicine ball, and it's probably 1:10:32.640 --> 1:10:37.960 a seventy pound rock, but it had uh three uh 1:10:38.240 --> 1:10:45.040 fossilized centipedes in it. It was just incredibly cool. And uh, 1:10:45.400 --> 1:10:47.280 I was like, well, I'm gonna come back and grab that. 1:10:48.360 --> 1:10:51.639 And I had told these folks that I was cooking, 1:10:52.120 --> 1:10:56.639 uh cooking with that. I regretted not grabbing that and said, well, yeah, 1:10:56.680 --> 1:10:58.560 but you just told us that was illegal, and so 1:10:58.640 --> 1:11:01.320 well yeah, but then I didn't know, so it would 1:11:01.320 --> 1:11:05.120 have been fine. Now I can't go back down there 1:11:05.160 --> 1:11:07.640 and pick it up. Yeah, Like I wish I was 1:11:07.760 --> 1:11:10.040 the I wish I was the me that didn't know, 1:11:11.840 --> 1:11:14.240 but see that rock would be sitting next year woodpile 1:11:14.280 --> 1:11:15.680 and you'd look at it every day. Angle, man, I 1:11:15.720 --> 1:11:18.960 gotta get that rock back to where it rightfully belongs. Yeah, 1:11:19.000 --> 1:11:21.400 you'd get caught by dude and you'd have to explain 1:11:21.439 --> 1:11:29.639 that you're actually returning. I know it sounds weird, but hey, Sonny, 1:11:30.040 --> 1:11:32.280 be like, well, I'm actually bringing this rock back to 1:11:32.360 --> 1:11:38.080 your property under the cover of darkness. Should a should 1:11:38.120 --> 1:11:46.960 a single species hunter be taken seriously? It's a good question. 1:11:47.600 --> 1:11:50.040 It's not an apparent question. I never thought of it myself, 1:11:50.960 --> 1:11:53.519 But is there really such a thing. There's definitely that 1:11:53.640 --> 1:12:01.080 kind of a single species hunter, single species nobody. It's 1:12:01.080 --> 1:12:05.760 not a real way. Okay, we're a single species a 1:12:05.840 --> 1:12:15.360 hunter or a single species fisherman, say yo, but we 1:12:15.520 --> 1:12:18.439 fished with the guy last night who is very definitely 1:12:18.680 --> 1:12:24.560 a single species fisherman. Okay. Someone wrote in to be 1:12:24.680 --> 1:12:26.519 like I just can't take them seriously, like something must 1:12:26.560 --> 1:12:29.719 be wrong with him. I just think it's kind of cute. 1:12:31.080 --> 1:12:35.760 It's like the dude loves muskies. He's never eaten one. 1:12:35.960 --> 1:12:37.840 He just likes to catch him, and he'll try. He'll 1:12:37.880 --> 1:12:40.960 catch him anywhere they can be found. It's like, I 1:12:41.040 --> 1:12:43.280 don't I like him better than someone that doesn't fish 1:12:43.320 --> 1:12:48.000 at all? No, certainly. So it's like, and that's that's 1:12:48.040 --> 1:12:49.479 the guy that you talk like, you know, I would 1:12:49.479 --> 1:12:51.439 consider like when it comes to like hunting or fishing, 1:12:51.479 --> 1:12:54.479 like like you say, a big in generalist, right, like 1:12:54.640 --> 1:12:58.800 do a lot of different things. But by that I 1:12:58.840 --> 1:13:01.519 should probably wear that t shirt that says like, world's 1:13:01.600 --> 1:13:05.120 okayst hunter, because like, I'm okay at a lot of things. 1:13:05.200 --> 1:13:07.320 But I mean those dudes that specialize like that, man, 1:13:07.360 --> 1:13:09.160 they're great at it, you know. I mean those are 1:13:09.160 --> 1:13:10.559 the guys that you look to from not like when 1:13:10.560 --> 1:13:12.760 you're really trying to sort something out, you know, those 1:13:12.760 --> 1:13:14.160 are the guys you want to talk to. Yeah, you're 1:13:14.160 --> 1:13:15.600 trying to figure out wait till they don't call a 1:13:15.600 --> 1:13:18.679 guys like now and nin hunts a white tail. Yeah, 1:13:18.960 --> 1:13:21.720 so I get it. I get what he's saying by 1:13:21.760 --> 1:13:25.200 thinking that it's goofy, but I disagree with them. I 1:13:25.600 --> 1:13:30.240 fished with a dude who's a really good guy in uh, 1:13:30.800 --> 1:13:37.439 South Dakota, and we were fishing for walleyes, and uh, 1:13:37.960 --> 1:13:40.599 you know, and I am not a walleye. Fisherman at all. 1:13:40.680 --> 1:13:44.680 On Uh, you know, there's some subtlety to it that 1:13:44.760 --> 1:13:47.720 I wasn't really picking up on the fact that they 1:13:48.120 --> 1:13:53.040 they they sort of think about biting rather than biting. Yeah, 1:13:53.040 --> 1:13:58.320 and then you like gingerly pull them up. And he 1:13:58.479 --> 1:14:05.080 just ridiculed me every time I had would either bring 1:14:05.160 --> 1:14:08.280 in a fish that wasn't within the slot limit, or 1:14:09.680 --> 1:14:13.639 I would mention the fact that I liked to fish 1:14:14.040 --> 1:14:19.120 for anything else, and he would go as far as 1:14:19.160 --> 1:14:23.880 to say, that is not a fish, pike, Oh, that's 1:14:23.920 --> 1:14:29.000 not a fish. And I find it very hard to 1:14:29.080 --> 1:14:33.640 believe that there's in this area of the country that 1:14:33.760 --> 1:14:39.000 there's nobody that answered you from the fishing perspective, because 1:14:39.479 --> 1:14:43.560 he made it seem that he was not alone in 1:14:43.800 --> 1:14:49.360 his specificity. For Wally, I'd be I wish we could 1:14:49.360 --> 1:14:53.040 do it somehow where you could say how close to 1:14:53.160 --> 1:14:56.280 that single species are you? Are you like a deer 1:14:56.360 --> 1:14:59.760 hunter and ten percent duck hunter, that kind of things. 1:14:59.800 --> 1:15:02.799 I'd a lot of people in that category, myself included 1:15:02.840 --> 1:15:05.640 where I probably hunt deer when if I were to 1:15:05.680 --> 1:15:08.720 break on my hunting down and put a percentage basis on, 1:15:08.720 --> 1:15:12.519 I think that's probably deer and ten percent elk and 1:15:12.880 --> 1:15:15.080 earlier in life is pricing a five percent deer and 1:15:15.680 --> 1:15:19.599 percent goose or then then that's not counting spring turkey. 1:15:19.600 --> 1:15:21.400 I was thinking about when you have to make decisions 1:15:21.880 --> 1:15:24.840 in the fall, and I saw a survey one time. 1:15:25.479 --> 1:15:28.920 It was actually real scientific survey where they asked deer 1:15:29.040 --> 1:15:33.280 hunters if is there anything else out there that could 1:15:33.360 --> 1:15:36.000 replaced deer hunting if you could no longer do it? 1:15:37.040 --> 1:15:39.479 And it was like about overall, about forty nine percent 1:15:39.520 --> 1:15:41.360 of those deer hunting, About half the deer hunters said 1:15:41.600 --> 1:15:45.000 there's nothing else in my life that could replace deer hunting, 1:15:45.080 --> 1:15:48.559 like for that extent. And then they asked goose hunters 1:15:49.400 --> 1:15:52.000 if you could if is there something else out there 1:15:52.000 --> 1:15:54.800 that could replace goose hunting if you were cut off 1:15:54.880 --> 1:15:57.200 from it forever, And then thene of it dropped down 1:15:57.240 --> 1:15:59.280 to like, I think ten percent or something. They also 1:16:00.040 --> 1:16:03.240 is not a dedicated you know, there's something about I 1:16:03.320 --> 1:16:07.240 would go back to my expression, dear dear make people stupid. 1:16:08.040 --> 1:16:11.240 It's just something that it makes up so much a 1:16:11.560 --> 1:16:14.960 part of you that you just cut off all reason 1:16:15.720 --> 1:16:17.640 and just go with it. I might start a T 1:16:17.760 --> 1:16:22.639 shirt that says, dear make people stupid. Uh. Pat made 1:16:22.680 --> 1:16:25.800 me aware of another good quote their day. It was 1:16:25.840 --> 1:16:29.120 about leadership where he said every ship needs a captain 1:16:29.640 --> 1:16:32.840 and there's no such thing as a co captain, which 1:16:32.880 --> 1:16:38.240 is good. Um, you guys cool on that subject. Okay, 1:16:41.200 --> 1:16:43.080 there's a guy that wants to he's having a kid 1:16:44.680 --> 1:16:46.280 and he wants to know what to name it to 1:16:46.360 --> 1:16:49.160 make extra sure that it's a hunter. And I'll tell 1:16:49.160 --> 1:16:52.400 you what it's not. Hunter. I think a lot of 1:16:52.479 --> 1:16:54.639 people are just thinking it's as easy as calling them 1:16:54.720 --> 1:16:58.479 hunter and that's gonna get it taken care of. But 1:16:58.560 --> 1:17:01.439 I've been a boatload of hunters that don't hunt the 1:17:01.560 --> 1:17:05.000 name hunter, and I see people go the Mountain Man route. 1:17:05.560 --> 1:17:07.280 Dude likes the hunt a lot, and he's got a 1:17:07.400 --> 1:17:12.960 kid Jedediah or he's got a kid Boom. I don't 1:17:12.960 --> 1:17:16.320 know if that works or not. I name my kid, 1:17:17.160 --> 1:17:20.160 my newest kid. I named him after my brother Matt, 1:17:20.760 --> 1:17:23.840 who likes the hunt more than anybody on the planet. Um, 1:17:24.560 --> 1:17:29.120 no one knows that that that's my game. If you 1:17:29.200 --> 1:17:32.880 hear Matt, you think the dude from the New Testament, right, 1:17:34.040 --> 1:17:35.680 So I don't I don't have a good answer for him. 1:17:36.280 --> 1:17:38.280 All I can say is that when when when we 1:17:38.360 --> 1:17:42.160 were having kids, we picked out the boy's boy's name 1:17:42.240 --> 1:17:46.080 and girl's name, and I, for one kid, I picked 1:17:46.160 --> 1:17:48.240 up the name Bridger. If it's gonna be a son, 1:17:48.479 --> 1:17:50.320 because you wanted the person to be the kid to be. 1:17:50.520 --> 1:17:53.040 Always had this idea that you bring up your kids 1:17:53.120 --> 1:17:55.920 and the culture and teaching them about the Mountain men, 1:17:56.520 --> 1:18:00.120 that the famous Hunters real people, not fictional care to 1:18:00.280 --> 1:18:04.639 real people. Then, um, just saying, although I had three daughters, 1:18:04.680 --> 1:18:06.880 so anyway to use the boy's name, did you? But 1:18:06.960 --> 1:18:08.960 did you name any of them after the goddess of 1:18:09.000 --> 1:18:13.040 the hunt? Nope, nope, I M smart, but we didn't 1:18:13.080 --> 1:18:19.599 name um Diana, the goddess of the hunt. We did 1:18:19.760 --> 1:18:24.400 name my my third kid Carson. And if it had 1:18:24.439 --> 1:18:26.800 been a boy, if it'd been spelled c A R 1:18:27.040 --> 1:18:30.080 s o N, but she was a girl swinging spelled 1:18:30.080 --> 1:18:33.840 a k A R s y n, and presumably kick Carson, 1:18:33.960 --> 1:18:36.920 kick Carson. And just because I like history, I like 1:18:37.000 --> 1:18:39.560 all the all that kind of stuff. But um, you 1:18:39.680 --> 1:18:42.880 don't know though names are important. I really I'm big 1:18:42.960 --> 1:18:46.559 on names, and I evaluate people by what name their kids. 1:18:47.680 --> 1:18:54.680 But yeah, man, I don't take your kid's names. Well, 1:18:55.160 --> 1:18:57.720 the touch basically, it takes a little while for you 1:18:57.720 --> 1:18:58.960 need to figure it out. You can't be like all 1:18:59.000 --> 1:19:01.920 the people. Okay, go ahead. No, you don't want to 1:19:01.920 --> 1:19:03.960 put them on the spot. No, put him on the spot. 1:19:04.000 --> 1:19:06.000 I mean because what if he has to judge people 1:19:06.040 --> 1:19:08.920 out here in the audience. Oh, because they might have 1:19:09.040 --> 1:19:15.320 the same name and my daughter jump me afterward? Yeah, 1:19:15.680 --> 1:19:20.040 beat pass ass or some name is alright? Sorry, bad idea? 1:19:20.240 --> 1:19:22.760 Go ahead, I don't care on this doesn't matter. I'm 1:19:22.760 --> 1:19:29.320 not doing it. Pat, blood will be on my hand. 1:19:30.680 --> 1:19:34.400 Let's give it. I will tell you you may want 1:19:34.400 --> 1:19:39.360 to avoid naming your kid Cal. I've had a couple 1:19:39.400 --> 1:19:42.320 of friends go down that route and turns out there 1:19:42.439 --> 1:19:45.200 a little too much outlaw on that name. Is that right? 1:19:45.880 --> 1:19:48.080 Spins them off in a wild direction, on themselves on 1:19:48.160 --> 1:19:51.759 the wrong saddle off you too many times? Maybe already 1:19:52.240 --> 1:19:56.200 h question for you, though, Pat, You've got three daughters. 1:19:56.600 --> 1:19:58.200 One likes to hunt more than the other ones. Right, 1:19:58.439 --> 1:20:02.200 definitely was it Carson? No, it is Leah, Leah, my 1:20:02.960 --> 1:20:06.680 very first daughter. Um, this is this is one thing 1:20:06.760 --> 1:20:09.040 if you ever want to get insights into how kids 1:20:09.120 --> 1:20:12.360 think and who will be the hunter I took. I 1:20:12.479 --> 1:20:14.519 took all three of my daughters. I started them hunting 1:20:14.520 --> 1:20:16.840 at about age three. Take them along. I used to 1:20:16.920 --> 1:20:19.040 have a well we still have their wagon, their little 1:20:19.120 --> 1:20:21.599 red wagon. I was called the a t V. I'd 1:20:21.600 --> 1:20:23.559 put them in the red wagon and pull them out 1:20:23.720 --> 1:20:28.280 goose hunting. And Leah not kidney. By age three, she 1:20:28.720 --> 1:20:33.160 she understood the goose music when she get her geese coming, 1:20:33.640 --> 1:20:35.759 and her little head to just turn and start tracking. 1:20:36.479 --> 1:20:39.000 And I watched because she had really good hearing, and 1:20:39.080 --> 1:20:41.640 I watched her um. And then when the when the 1:20:41.680 --> 1:20:43.600 geese started to come in, and you know how they 1:20:43.680 --> 1:20:46.800 come in to setting their wings and tilting back and forth, 1:20:47.040 --> 1:20:49.360 she just watched like a like a like a retriever, 1:20:49.560 --> 1:20:52.719 watched those beasts until I shot. And then I'm gonna 1:20:52.720 --> 1:20:54.599 be happy if and if I missed, you know, she's 1:20:54.880 --> 1:21:01.479 just gonna stare at me. But then what what But 1:21:01.560 --> 1:21:04.519 it was really what was really instructive, you guys, is 1:21:04.680 --> 1:21:07.479 um as still as the other girls came along. Then 1:21:07.680 --> 1:21:11.040 behind her, I take all three of mouth goose hunting, 1:21:12.040 --> 1:21:15.960 and oh, garden is a coming in and all those 1:21:16.080 --> 1:21:18.240 all that honking, all that noise, and they're you know 1:21:18.280 --> 1:21:22.040 they're gonna set and setting your decoys. You finally come 1:21:22.120 --> 1:21:24.160 up and you raise a gun and I look over 1:21:24.280 --> 1:21:26.479 and Lee is watching the geese. There two are like this. 1:21:28.479 --> 1:21:30.840 They got their heads heads down and ears covered up. 1:21:30.840 --> 1:21:33.479 And all I could think was before I shot, they 1:21:33.520 --> 1:21:41.880 aren't going to be hunters, you know, And they weren't. No, no, no, no. 1:21:42.080 --> 1:21:44.639 That that that's the That's the fun thing about parenting. 1:21:45.439 --> 1:21:49.040 You really learn each one of those charms. I love it. 1:21:49.320 --> 1:21:54.200 I it's fun now as a as a grandparent to see, Um, 1:21:54.720 --> 1:21:56.720 what's it's sad to them because as a girls started 1:21:56.760 --> 1:21:59.439 having kids, you can't spend the kind of time hunting 1:21:59.479 --> 1:22:02.120 and fishing them as you did. Because like as time 1:22:02.160 --> 1:22:05.960 went on, Um Leah and Leah always hunted and fished 1:22:06.439 --> 1:22:08.920 Ellie where they would not want to get out of 1:22:09.000 --> 1:22:11.040 bed to go fishing. But once she's on the lake 1:22:11.439 --> 1:22:15.519 after breakfast, she fished. All data is fine, our youngest one. 1:22:16.040 --> 1:22:18.680 We're sitting the back of the boat, read cut up 1:22:18.720 --> 1:22:22.599 the worms. She'd do anything besides fish. And then now 1:22:22.720 --> 1:22:25.840 as an adult though, she just finished her master's degree, 1:22:26.320 --> 1:22:28.600 and I found it very interesting. Her master's degree in 1:22:28.640 --> 1:22:32.599 English was all based around the outdoors and getting back 1:22:32.640 --> 1:22:35.439 into the outdoors as an adult. And so now I think, 1:22:35.520 --> 1:22:39.680 as she's not having kids and go fishing with me, 1:22:40.240 --> 1:22:42.800 I find that really cool. You can she's the one 1:22:42.880 --> 1:22:48.840 named Carson, where I think, yeah, yeah, thank you. It 1:22:48.920 --> 1:22:55.479 takes great the name Carson takes gradual effect. Um. The 1:22:55.560 --> 1:22:59.559 thing I've been thinking about with kids lately, like kind 1:22:59.600 --> 1:23:03.200 of like with with the way exposing them to the 1:23:03.280 --> 1:23:07.080 outdoors as helping as I've been having this debate now 1:23:07.160 --> 1:23:09.799 that my wife about like teaching them use a hatchet 1:23:10.560 --> 1:23:13.160 right to cut kindling. If you come out the yard 1:23:13.240 --> 1:23:17.639 and there's a five year old with a hatchet, one 1:23:17.760 --> 1:23:22.280 might question what's going on here. So but a way 1:23:22.360 --> 1:23:25.320 that I want up selling it my wife and I've 1:23:25.400 --> 1:23:26.960 used as a couple of times now as I'm like, 1:23:26.960 --> 1:23:32.600 I'm trying to introduce them too, sort of in arena 1:23:32.920 --> 1:23:37.479 of consequence, and I find that that these sorts of 1:23:37.560 --> 1:23:40.439 activities are a way to bring people in. We're to 1:23:40.840 --> 1:23:43.599 bring people in a fun way, but we're decisions matter 1:23:44.920 --> 1:23:48.120 right where there's right ways and wrong ways to do things, 1:23:48.200 --> 1:23:51.519 and there's difficult questions to wrestle with, like why do 1:23:51.640 --> 1:23:55.040 we eat dear? But not unicorns, right, And it winds 1:23:55.120 --> 1:23:57.120 up being that it's like, it's just this thing of you. 1:23:57.240 --> 1:23:59.600 You're introducing this world where, yes, you can, this is 1:23:59.640 --> 1:24:03.479 a world in which one can be gravely injured if 1:24:03.720 --> 1:24:06.880 one doesn't learn how to master certain skills, where you 1:24:07.000 --> 1:24:10.120 will come up empty handed if things aren't done this way, 1:24:10.400 --> 1:24:13.679 where there's this morality at play in life and death 1:24:14.200 --> 1:24:17.519 is struggling out, it just winds up being really helpful. 1:24:17.720 --> 1:24:19.960 I think that it could be that you could raise 1:24:20.120 --> 1:24:21.760 you can. You can start off like trying to raise 1:24:21.880 --> 1:24:24.920 outdoor kids with outdoor sensibility and have them go off 1:24:24.960 --> 1:24:27.400 and not be interested at all, And you'd be tempted 1:24:27.400 --> 1:24:28.920 to look and be like, oh, I wasted my time. 1:24:30.000 --> 1:24:32.200 But perhaps not, because when you color with your kid 1:24:32.400 --> 1:24:34.479 and your kid doesn't wind up being a professional colorer, 1:24:36.479 --> 1:24:39.040 you're not bummed that you like, you're not bummed that 1:24:39.080 --> 1:24:41.640 you colored with them all the time, waste all the 1:24:41.760 --> 1:24:47.559 time color and sunshines, you know, it's like no one 1:24:47.600 --> 1:24:49.840 ever looks at that that way, so I do. But 1:24:50.040 --> 1:24:52.040 but yeah, I feel like I'm like setting them up 1:24:52.120 --> 1:24:55.479 to be cool people to hang out with, when maybe 1:24:55.520 --> 1:25:00.240 it's just there's value in nothing else, if nothing else, 1:25:00.280 --> 1:25:03.680 they will grow up into adults. And my kids all 1:25:03.800 --> 1:25:07.599 still like getting elk from me, dear from me, fish 1:25:07.680 --> 1:25:09.960 from me. They want they want that to be brought 1:25:10.040 --> 1:25:12.400 into the house and then they share it with us. 1:25:12.439 --> 1:25:15.000 I mean we share it with them, and to me 1:25:15.160 --> 1:25:17.280 that that's what's important to get them into that culture, 1:25:17.320 --> 1:25:20.759 but at least understand it. And when they can interact 1:25:20.840 --> 1:25:23.719 with their coal workers and they get talking about these things, 1:25:24.760 --> 1:25:27.400 there's someone in the office who can talk real intelligently 1:25:27.479 --> 1:25:29.479 about the hunting lifestyle. And they grew up in a 1:25:29.560 --> 1:25:32.040 house where that's where we ate the most part, and 1:25:32.160 --> 1:25:34.600 so I think that has great value. And because my 1:25:34.720 --> 1:25:36.240 kids didn't grow up out of the house and then go, 1:25:36.640 --> 1:25:38.479 oh dumb with that dumb son of a bitch, he's 1:25:38.479 --> 1:25:40.040 out of here. You know, they grew up in the 1:25:40.280 --> 1:25:42.840 they embraced the way they grew up, you know. So 1:25:43.640 --> 1:25:45.800 I think that's just great. Anything you can do with 1:25:45.840 --> 1:25:48.679 your kids that get small indoors eating the fish, learning 1:25:48.720 --> 1:25:53.600 how to prepare itish well. You know, like we were 1:25:53.640 --> 1:25:58.479 talking earlier today about the things that kids see, you 1:25:58.560 --> 1:26:00.960 know that could you know, make the hair snap the 1:26:01.000 --> 1:26:03.320 back of your neck, and they handle it this fine. 1:26:03.520 --> 1:26:05.720 I think so often we baby kids and make make 1:26:05.800 --> 1:26:08.280 they think you were telling each other that, oh, you 1:26:08.360 --> 1:26:11.000 can expose into that. And people worry about seeing a 1:26:11.040 --> 1:26:12.840 dead dur in the back of a car, and I think, well, 1:26:12.920 --> 1:26:16.479 there's somebody just went by with a full load of hogs. 1:26:16.520 --> 1:26:18.439 Where do you think they're going. You're talking to your 1:26:18.479 --> 1:26:21.360 kids about those kind of things, and make them understand that, yeah, 1:26:21.360 --> 1:26:24.080 a lot there is dead, but tomorrow all those hogs 1:26:24.640 --> 1:26:27.080 they won't be here anymore either, and make them I 1:26:27.080 --> 1:26:29.280 think those are opportunities for people to talk to kids 1:26:29.360 --> 1:26:41.760 and explain things to them. That's my thought. Marfa. You uh, Mart, 1:26:41.800 --> 1:26:43.599 do you feel like you guys are throwing some outdoors 1:26:43.800 --> 1:26:46.599 some outdoors women or no? Yeah, I think so. I mean, 1:26:46.640 --> 1:26:49.680 we didn't put any thought into their names, but I 1:26:49.800 --> 1:26:52.760 do put some thought. I mean put the thought in 1:26:52.800 --> 1:26:54.599 their names, but not in that regard. You know. I figured, 1:26:54.600 --> 1:26:56.320 you know, hopefully we'll introd do them to the outdoors 1:26:56.400 --> 1:26:59.760 and yeah, expose them, expose them those things. Actually, one 1:26:59.800 --> 1:27:03.120 of my daughters, Mara, which is kind of a unique name, 1:27:03.600 --> 1:27:08.720 is has the same name as your sister, which is 1:27:08.800 --> 1:27:11.639 kind of cool. But but yeah, I mean you talk 1:27:11.640 --> 1:27:16.280 about an arena of consequence um our oldest Yuh, it's 1:27:16.320 --> 1:27:18.280 pretty much a darribed devil. So she pretty much puts 1:27:18.320 --> 1:27:23.479 herself in arena of consequence constantly. Yeah. But and that's 1:27:23.520 --> 1:27:25.000 one thing that I had to learn, was like I 1:27:25.120 --> 1:27:26.439 just kind of let her do it. Now. It's like 1:27:26.479 --> 1:27:28.360 you want to climb to the top, all right sorted out? 1:27:28.439 --> 1:27:30.080 You know, if you fall down, you fall down, you know. 1:27:30.160 --> 1:27:33.280 And like what Pat said, I mean, I think we 1:27:33.320 --> 1:27:37.240 don't give kids credit for what they're capable of doing 1:27:37.560 --> 1:27:41.479 or oftentimes understanding or comprehending or you know you And 1:27:41.680 --> 1:27:44.120 I've thought about this myself as far as like exposing 1:27:44.160 --> 1:27:46.920 them to the hunting or death and are they ready 1:27:46.960 --> 1:27:48.880 for it? And we're even chatting but a little bit 1:27:48.880 --> 1:27:50.280 about that earlier and then. And the fact of the 1:27:50.360 --> 1:27:52.600 matter is those those are normal things. I mean, that 1:27:52.760 --> 1:27:56.280 is that is that is happens all day every day. 1:27:56.320 --> 1:27:59.080 And I think the sooner you realize that and accept it, 1:28:00.120 --> 1:28:02.479 you know, the better if you're gonna be so. But yeah, 1:28:02.520 --> 1:28:04.080 but anyway to answer, I'll go further than that to 1:28:04.120 --> 1:28:06.400 answer your questions. So we have been doing some uh 1:28:06.840 --> 1:28:10.599 some nature walks, so uh, the girls like to find 1:28:10.840 --> 1:28:13.120 find the deer walks. They like to look for rubs. 1:28:13.560 --> 1:28:17.120 Been picking some mulberries, been catching a lot of blue 1:28:17.160 --> 1:28:20.160 gills lately. The kids absolutely lose their mind when they 1:28:20.200 --> 1:28:22.200 have a fish on there. I think it's just it's 1:28:22.320 --> 1:28:24.760 it's one of the most amazing things to watch. It's 1:28:24.800 --> 1:28:28.639 like watching electricity shoot through their body. And I love 1:28:28.720 --> 1:28:34.400 its speaking electricity. You guys can answer this. My kids 1:28:34.439 --> 1:28:38.320 when they're small, most fascinated them and go scouting. Was 1:28:38.600 --> 1:28:42.920 was dear dear turds, bear bear coop Anthony came out 1:28:42.920 --> 1:28:45.720 of an animal. They had to go and check it 1:28:45.760 --> 1:28:49.519 out and ask questions about we're walking through the woods. Uh. 1:28:50.200 --> 1:28:52.080 I was out and we were looking for squirrels with 1:28:52.120 --> 1:28:54.880 their uncle Matt, and I turned around and my daughter 1:28:55.080 --> 1:28:59.840 was four, she was three or four, and she had 1:28:59.840 --> 1:29:05.479 a mouthful of deer droppings because we had apparently picked 1:29:05.560 --> 1:29:07.280 them up and talked about it, and she got the 1:29:07.360 --> 1:29:12.160 wrong like picked out the wrong detail about what we 1:29:12.240 --> 1:29:15.160 were saying about it. And she's like, and I realized 1:29:15.200 --> 1:29:21.280 that she hadn't shoot up a deer dropping but yeah, 1:29:21.320 --> 1:29:22.960 one of my favorite But you know what it's like, 1:29:23.040 --> 1:29:25.600 this whole reflection of yourself thing right, and and so 1:29:26.200 --> 1:29:28.519 I think that you could get The risk would be 1:29:28.560 --> 1:29:31.200 that you get overly invested in the idea that you're 1:29:31.200 --> 1:29:35.960 gonna make them, that they're gonna be a version like 1:29:36.200 --> 1:29:40.519 this version of yourself that you wish was the one 1:29:41.000 --> 1:29:43.560 that was true somehow. Like I have a picture of 1:29:43.640 --> 1:29:46.439 my little boy when he was so my eight year old, 1:29:46.439 --> 1:29:48.639 when he was five. It's like a picture of him 1:29:49.360 --> 1:29:52.800 nothing on but his underwear, cocked back with a sling 1:29:52.880 --> 1:29:54.880 shot and there's a black bear standing right in front 1:29:54.880 --> 1:29:57.400 of him up at our fish sh act And like 1:29:57.600 --> 1:30:02.040 I like that picture, probably because you're you're doing some 1:30:02.320 --> 1:30:07.000 game where you're like, you know, you're sort of saying 1:30:07.040 --> 1:30:10.080 like this it's this representative it's this literal representation of 1:30:10.160 --> 1:30:12.880 you where it's like half of your you know, genetic input. 1:30:13.240 --> 1:30:15.200 But you wind up like trying to isolate these moments 1:30:15.240 --> 1:30:17.840 and find these moments where this thing that you wish 1:30:17.960 --> 1:30:19.880 was true about you. And I think it could set 1:30:20.000 --> 1:30:21.880 kids up for failure in a way in your mind 1:30:21.960 --> 1:30:24.360 if you have these huge expectations, like people will ask me, like, 1:30:24.640 --> 1:30:26.000 what are you gonna do if your kids don't like 1:30:26.080 --> 1:30:34.040 to hunt like you do? Probably like him, probably won't 1:30:34.080 --> 1:30:41.439 hang out that much on the subject of families. Dude 1:30:41.479 --> 1:30:46.360 from Michigan, he's an engineer by training, and he's going 1:30:46.439 --> 1:30:50.160 out to Idaho. All people should go hunt Idaho, right 1:30:50.280 --> 1:30:54.160 count he's going out. He's going out to Idaho, and 1:30:54.240 --> 1:30:56.559 he's wanting to know what can I tell my wife? 1:30:56.800 --> 1:30:58.479 And he's going out by himself. So he's doing a 1:30:58.560 --> 1:31:04.600 solo wilderness hunt. What can I tell my wife that 1:31:04.680 --> 1:31:10.240 will make her stop worrying? You can rest assured he's 1:31:10.320 --> 1:31:16.519 got the smallest details worked out. Yeah, the little bit, 1:31:16.680 --> 1:31:19.960 the little engineering bits worked out. I think the thing 1:31:20.040 --> 1:31:23.160 he could tell her is he could say I've arrived, 1:31:23.800 --> 1:31:26.839 because it's more dangerous to drive to your hunting location 1:31:26.920 --> 1:31:30.719 than it is the hunt I've done. I've done solo 1:31:30.840 --> 1:31:35.639 hunts like that, and I I think just makes sense. Anywhere. 1:31:35.680 --> 1:31:39.200 I carry one of those personal located beacons that you 1:31:39.280 --> 1:31:41.840 know you can Basically you have flip one switch hut 1:31:41.960 --> 1:31:45.760 and it sends a beam up to the satellite and 1:31:45.920 --> 1:31:47.760 next thing you know, but they always tell you that 1:31:48.040 --> 1:31:50.040 when you hit that switch, you better be in trouble 1:31:50.080 --> 1:31:52.960 because they are sending help. And it also you can 1:31:53.000 --> 1:31:58.160 also do pre program texts every day say everything you 1:31:58.280 --> 1:32:00.439 just said it, So it just does that no matter what. Yeah, 1:32:02.680 --> 1:32:05.479 three years later, she's still getting Yeah, some bits still okay. 1:32:08.760 --> 1:32:12.360 But you know, in these days too, it's often the case, 1:32:12.520 --> 1:32:15.599 even where I hunt out west, um, where you get 1:32:15.680 --> 1:32:18.600 up on the mountaintop once a day or whatever might be. 1:32:19.439 --> 1:32:21.560 I'm not on the phone in everyday people as I 1:32:21.640 --> 1:32:23.880 have to be though. I just my wife and I 1:32:23.960 --> 1:32:28.040 just don't need that constant reassurance. But I think it 1:32:28.200 --> 1:32:30.360 is good to have cell phone communication if you can, 1:32:30.479 --> 1:32:32.599 if you can arrange it to where she knows you're 1:32:32.640 --> 1:32:35.920 there every day. But I'm like you, I always think 1:32:35.960 --> 1:32:38.800 the odds of getting hurt on that one week or 1:32:38.840 --> 1:32:42.439 two weeks out there out west, compared to the daily 1:32:42.560 --> 1:32:45.800 risk of routine risk you run by driving to work, 1:32:45.880 --> 1:32:48.920 all those kind of things falling down the back stairs, 1:32:49.360 --> 1:32:52.559 all the crazy things that happen to people in life. 1:32:53.040 --> 1:32:55.200 One are the odds that the bad things that happened 1:32:55.200 --> 1:32:57.560 to you during that one time out there. Now I 1:32:57.840 --> 1:32:59.680 could see I'd be a lot more worried if if 1:32:59.720 --> 1:33:01.920 this is the guy who is going out off the 1:33:02.240 --> 1:33:04.760 coast of Alaska in a boat every day for two 1:33:04.840 --> 1:33:10.639 weeks to himself. But on land, yeah, I I feel 1:33:10.720 --> 1:33:13.679 like you should do some safeguards over she'll never stop 1:33:13.760 --> 1:33:16.880 worrying completely, and she'll never stop worrying until you're back home. 1:33:17.840 --> 1:33:20.360 But I I found like last year, I had a 1:33:20.439 --> 1:33:23.440 guy bell on me. I was hunting up in Arizona. 1:33:24.160 --> 1:33:26.400 Right before I was leaving from my hunt, my buddy 1:33:26.400 --> 1:33:27.960 billed on me. So I was gonna be going out 1:33:28.000 --> 1:33:31.080 there by myself. But luckily Randy Newberg happened to be 1:33:31.160 --> 1:33:35.800 hunting the same area. So I email Randy and said, hey, 1:33:36.080 --> 1:33:38.360 I'm gonna be hunting this you know nine I hear 1:33:38.400 --> 1:33:40.320 you know. I knew you're gonna be there too. Could 1:33:40.400 --> 1:33:42.640 just be my emergency backup in case Penny has to 1:33:42.680 --> 1:33:44.880 reach me and you can't reach me. I'll tell you 1:33:44.960 --> 1:33:46.880 where I'm parked, you know, give him a GPS. You know, 1:33:47.479 --> 1:33:49.080 I worked out fine. There's always things you can do 1:33:49.560 --> 1:33:53.760 to at least to maintain a link somehow, And that 1:33:53.920 --> 1:33:57.799 the link, though, is important, just that satisfaction or knowledge 1:33:57.840 --> 1:33:59.880 that they know where you are, that you're okay. I 1:34:00.120 --> 1:34:05.120 think that that where I'm gonna be, where I'm parking 1:34:05.200 --> 1:34:08.320 my vehicle, and I think another thing that's helpful is 1:34:08.560 --> 1:34:11.800 if I'm not back by this day, something's definitely not right. 1:34:12.680 --> 1:34:18.240 It's helpful for people. And then the beacons. I bought 1:34:18.280 --> 1:34:20.320 one of those beacons for an Alaska hunt. But now 1:34:21.040 --> 1:34:23.280 like I packed when I go tree stand hunting by myself, 1:34:23.680 --> 1:34:25.640 like until I keep that in my pack every time too, 1:34:25.680 --> 1:34:27.200 because I'm like getting though out of the stand you 1:34:27.280 --> 1:34:29.840 might not have self reception. Well yeah, fall stand, you 1:34:29.840 --> 1:34:34.280 got an arrow through your gut, hopefully not like you're sleeved. 1:34:35.880 --> 1:34:43.080 That's not a problem anymore. I'm clear. I want to 1:34:43.120 --> 1:34:49.280 hit one more, two more, say the same. Dude is 1:34:49.280 --> 1:34:54.519 always wondering, Um, when is it? When should you bring 1:34:56.600 --> 1:35:01.200 a spotting scope? When you factor in or weight issue? 1:35:03.320 --> 1:35:11.400 First off, you need seven spotting scopes maybe eight? Um. 1:35:13.240 --> 1:35:16.800 I think it just depends. It depends on the right mark. 1:35:16.880 --> 1:35:21.120 I mean, well actually, I mean, yeah, fifteens or twelves. 1:35:21.280 --> 1:35:23.960 It depends on the hunt though, like open landscape hunt, 1:35:25.000 --> 1:35:27.280 or if you are going to be doing a lot 1:35:27.320 --> 1:35:29.880 of vehicle scouting. I mean then you're not really packing anyway. 1:35:29.920 --> 1:35:31.800 But you know, if you're talking about packing it, I 1:35:31.840 --> 1:35:34.800 think it depends on the hunt. It depends on you know, 1:35:35.479 --> 1:35:40.240 how you know what a what a person is looking 1:35:40.280 --> 1:35:41.840 to find. You know, if you're just looking to find 1:35:42.520 --> 1:35:45.240 a deer or locate something, then you know, maybe your 1:35:45.320 --> 1:35:46.840 vinal will get you through. But if you're you know, 1:35:46.960 --> 1:35:48.720 trying to be a little bit more discerning, or you're 1:35:48.760 --> 1:35:50.680 on a sheep hunt where you know, maybe you are 1:35:50.840 --> 1:35:52.920 really really trying to pick apart. Is this a full 1:35:53.000 --> 1:35:56.439 coral ram? You know, I think I'd let the hunt 1:35:56.479 --> 1:35:59.080 dictate it. But they're definitely handy, you know, and I wouldn't. 1:35:59.080 --> 1:36:01.760 I wouldn't rule him out for the Midwest either, because 1:36:01.760 --> 1:36:03.679 you can do a lot of really good long distance 1:36:03.680 --> 1:36:07.479 scouting around here without being intrusive on you know, an 1:36:07.520 --> 1:36:09.960 area that you want to hunt. Yeah. Yeah. Are you 1:36:10.200 --> 1:36:13.040 so honest? Have you ever you when you get a 1:36:13.080 --> 1:36:15.240 call at Bortex? Are you so honest that you've ever 1:36:15.320 --> 1:36:20.320 said talk someone out of buying a product? Like means 1:36:20.360 --> 1:36:22.639 you're honest? No? Yeah, I would. I definitely had point 1:36:22.680 --> 1:36:24.439 a person that I mean, you need to set a 1:36:24.479 --> 1:36:28.360 binos and absolutely, yeah. I mean that's just like I'll 1:36:28.439 --> 1:36:30.040 never I'll never say that you don't need to set 1:36:30.080 --> 1:36:32.000 a binos. But you know, if your rifle hunting, you know, 1:36:32.120 --> 1:36:33.760 seeing it a rifle scope too, But I mean I 1:36:33.880 --> 1:36:36.960 think this was binoculars. I mean I just bring binoculars 1:36:36.960 --> 1:36:38.920 around with me all the time, you know, when I 1:36:39.040 --> 1:36:41.160 will I do anything outside, Like I get if I 1:36:41.280 --> 1:36:44.600 forget my binoculars, which happens occasionally or actually oftentimes I 1:36:44.720 --> 1:36:46.280 drive to work and sometimes I don't have in my 1:36:46.320 --> 1:36:47.720 truck and I see you on the way to work. 1:36:47.720 --> 1:36:49.680 Then I get, I get super annoyed because I'm like 1:36:49.760 --> 1:36:53.760 my first my first instincts like, yeah, you know, I 1:36:53.840 --> 1:36:55.840 did it to myself. I want to get like on 1:36:55.920 --> 1:36:58.320 the spotting scope thing. Um you know there, what's like 1:36:58.439 --> 1:37:00.960 what's the razor sixty five way? Do people know what 1:37:01.000 --> 1:37:06.280 we're talking about? Approximately about three pounds? So when you 1:37:06.400 --> 1:37:08.640 when you got like when you got people and I 1:37:08.760 --> 1:37:10.920 used to do this where you're actually cutting your toothbrush 1:37:11.000 --> 1:37:14.599 handle in half in the interest of reducing pack weight. 1:37:14.760 --> 1:37:18.240 Three pounds is a big deal. But if it's if 1:37:18.320 --> 1:37:21.400 it's any kind of hunting where there's any sort of 1:37:23.560 --> 1:37:29.080 legal antler restriction, so will be like identifying growth rings 1:37:29.680 --> 1:37:32.040 on a sheet because he's got to have a minimum age, 1:37:32.880 --> 1:37:36.759 or whether or not it describes the sixty degree circle 1:37:37.439 --> 1:37:40.560 that for sure, Like with moose, it needs to have 1:37:40.920 --> 1:37:42.519 if it you're in a unit that where the thing 1:37:42.560 --> 1:37:46.360 has to have four brow times that level of detail, 1:37:46.680 --> 1:37:50.840 or it's that you have a personal goal of like 1:37:51.000 --> 1:37:56.439 identifying a X, like a big, huge, giant one. Um. 1:37:57.040 --> 1:37:59.600 I find that it's helpful, but also I just like 1:37:59.720 --> 1:38:02.240 to have I like to look at stuff, so I'll 1:38:03.280 --> 1:38:05.800 cut the handle off a toothbrush safe, but then also 1:38:05.880 --> 1:38:09.639 just stick the three pound tripod or the three pound 1:38:09.720 --> 1:38:14.240 spotting scope and then a tripod because I just like 1:38:14.360 --> 1:38:16.439 to look around. Like when I factor in, like the 1:38:16.560 --> 1:38:20.639 comfort of having a light pack juxtapoles with the comfort 1:38:20.680 --> 1:38:23.439 of you know, look really carefully at things in the 1:38:23.560 --> 1:38:26.960 natural world that are far away, I'm just gonna lean 1:38:27.040 --> 1:38:29.240 in that direction well totally, and then you gotta look 1:38:29.240 --> 1:38:30.920 at what it's what it could be saving you too, 1:38:31.120 --> 1:38:33.040 right Like it's like, okay, I've tott it this three 1:38:33.080 --> 1:38:35.160 pounds or you know, give or take up the mountain, 1:38:35.160 --> 1:38:37.479 and yeah, it took some space in my pack, but 1:38:37.880 --> 1:38:42.360 it could also be saving you several miles of walking 1:38:42.520 --> 1:38:44.880 per day. So you know, you're kind of like weighing 1:38:44.960 --> 1:38:48.160 those two things. And I mean, my opinions huge asset. 1:38:49.920 --> 1:38:57.120 So this feller, the idahole feller, should um uh tell 1:38:57.200 --> 1:39:01.080 his wife the do or die day. He's gonna be 1:39:01.160 --> 1:39:06.599 back and probably bring a spot scope. That's it. One 1:39:06.720 --> 1:39:08.639 last one. I think we got time for one last one. 1:39:09.040 --> 1:39:14.519 Um guy rode in. He's out turkey hunting, and lo 1:39:14.680 --> 1:39:17.519 and behold he's turkey hunting another guy and he's a 1:39:17.600 --> 1:39:19.760 new hunter, and our guy's a season hunter, and lo 1:39:19.880 --> 1:39:22.200 and behold they're calling in and here comes two times 1:39:22.800 --> 1:39:26.360 coming at him and his hunting partners like, we're gonna 1:39:26.400 --> 1:39:33.240 do the old one too. Three okay, I'll count, and 1:39:33.320 --> 1:39:36.160 he says that things are coming. They get close and 1:39:36.240 --> 1:39:43.400 he goes one, two and and then the other bird 1:39:43.439 --> 1:39:47.439 flies away. And later the guy is like, what's up? 1:39:49.520 --> 1:39:52.160 He says, well, everyone knows you don't say three, you 1:39:52.240 --> 1:40:00.240 shoot on him three, but I feel that you shoot 1:40:00.240 --> 1:40:09.559 down three just after three, right, you'd be like, that's 1:40:09.560 --> 1:40:11.640 what I'm saying without playing it out. How do you 1:40:11.720 --> 1:40:14.560 make it work? I remember, like I remember some of 1:40:14.600 --> 1:40:17.360 my my late friend Eric Kern, and we're laying down 1:40:17.520 --> 1:40:20.160 calling us. Some turkeys kind of bosted us, but Kains didn't, 1:40:20.720 --> 1:40:22.400 and we're calling and he wants to do the old 1:40:22.439 --> 1:40:25.120 one to three, like the old double up, which usually 1:40:25.160 --> 1:40:30.360 means no one gets anything. And so we're lined up 1:40:30.400 --> 1:40:31.880 and I'm waiting for him to do the count, and 1:40:31.920 --> 1:40:35.640 pretty soon we got hands past us, you know, and 1:40:35.720 --> 1:40:38.800 he never does the count, and we realized we never 1:40:38.920 --> 1:40:43.160 clarified the rule even who was it just haven't fast. 1:40:43.240 --> 1:40:49.400 We missed a chance. But I feel like you'd say, um, one, two, 1:40:50.160 --> 1:40:55.960 three on what would have been the four? Does that 1:40:56.040 --> 1:40:58.280 make any sense? I would? I think I would agree 1:40:58.320 --> 1:41:00.200 with I think that is what I would anticipate eight 1:41:00.800 --> 1:41:04.120 in the heat of battle of trying to coordinate. Yeah, 1:41:05.000 --> 1:41:08.000 I think that this dude he was hunting with intentionally 1:41:08.479 --> 1:41:12.160 screwed There's no doubt in my mind that that dude 1:41:12.200 --> 1:41:16.720 intentionally screwed him over. He got the counting, and then 1:41:16.760 --> 1:41:20.599 he's like, you know, what if he goes what if 1:41:20.680 --> 1:41:24.120 he his read on this is he's gonna blouch before 1:41:24.200 --> 1:41:27.280 I blouch. And he made a judgment called the last 1:41:27.320 --> 1:41:30.479 second just to shoot game hog and then later tried 1:41:30.560 --> 1:41:33.760 to cover his tracks. It had better long I've only 1:41:33.800 --> 1:41:35.479 done it in a couple of times, but it seems 1:41:35.640 --> 1:41:39.000 it worked where we just both said yes, we have 1:41:40.040 --> 1:41:45.240 the animal in our site you shoot for, so you 1:41:45.320 --> 1:41:48.080 sort of can let the animal you're about it. Whoever's 1:41:48.080 --> 1:41:51.400 gonna shoot second, can let the animal react to that shot, 1:41:51.479 --> 1:41:54.080 whatever it might be. And you're not gonna be startled 1:41:54.160 --> 1:41:58.599 by the shot of your body and then take a shot. Yeah, 1:41:59.000 --> 1:42:00.880 because the most animals, I don't think in that like 1:42:01.000 --> 1:42:03.439 split second that's gonna take for you to you know, 1:42:03.640 --> 1:42:06.880 reacquire the target by slightly moving your gun. It's not 1:42:07.000 --> 1:42:09.519 like they're just gone. I also feel like it's difficult 1:42:09.560 --> 1:42:11.600 to get a good trigger squeeze when you're trying to 1:42:11.720 --> 1:42:16.640 like you know that that's that's the solution. We've hit 1:42:16.680 --> 1:42:18.680 on it, like a version. What you're saying is like no, no, no, no, 1:42:18.920 --> 1:42:21.959 just do your thing. I'm ready if it works out afterward, 1:42:22.000 --> 1:42:26.839 it works out afterwards. But hunting elk with Remy recently 1:42:27.800 --> 1:42:31.640 where he was really eager to try to do the 1:42:31.720 --> 1:42:37.920 old three and I was like, let's just you just 1:42:38.040 --> 1:42:40.760 get your situation squared away here and we'll see if 1:42:40.760 --> 1:42:45.040 I can pick up some sloppy seconds right which didn't 1:42:45.080 --> 1:42:46.760 work out. But have we tried to do the one too, 1:42:46.800 --> 1:42:56.680 threes wouldn't happen. Communication is is the the main takeaway 1:42:56.760 --> 1:43:05.240 here right right? This buddy mine read Dixon, and I 1:43:05.360 --> 1:43:08.360 just bumped into and Denver earlier in the week. He uh, 1:43:09.560 --> 1:43:13.200 we were out for his very first turkey hunt. It 1:43:13.360 --> 1:43:17.679 was actually on his ranch in Oregon. And I still 1:43:17.880 --> 1:43:20.960 take a little bit heat for this, But the communication 1:43:21.120 --> 1:43:24.400 was very clear for the first half of things, not 1:43:24.600 --> 1:43:27.280 so clear for the second half of things. They were 1:43:27.360 --> 1:43:33.640 calling birds and these two Jake's are coming in and 1:43:34.200 --> 1:43:37.000 I'm like, okay, you take the one on the left, 1:43:37.479 --> 1:43:40.200 I'll take the one on the right. I'm gonna shoot 1:43:40.360 --> 1:43:42.960 as soon as you shoot, So no one to three right, 1:43:44.400 --> 1:43:49.519 and so it's gonna be like bus bout yes, when 1:43:49.560 --> 1:43:57.879 in fact it was bud bunch bouch. Point of contention 1:43:57.960 --> 1:44:02.519 comes in on that third one, whereas these birds were 1:44:02.600 --> 1:44:07.879 so close and I was so positive that he obviously 1:44:08.040 --> 1:44:11.320 hit the first bird and rolled it, but now it 1:44:11.400 --> 1:44:14.160 was up on its feet running away that I was 1:44:14.240 --> 1:44:18.280 just doing the good guy thing and taking it care, 1:44:18.479 --> 1:44:23.800 taking care of it before it runs off. Now, years later, 1:44:23.960 --> 1:44:27.519 there's some question as to whether or not he shot 1:44:27.600 --> 1:44:31.479 the burden for a shell. He's like, you remember my turkey, right, 1:44:31.560 --> 1:44:37.200 cal He's like, yeah, you remember when you felt my 1:44:37.280 --> 1:44:46.479 turkey tag for me? Uh? Anyone last final thoughts. I 1:44:46.520 --> 1:44:49.280 think when you try to coordinate a shot based on counting, 1:44:49.439 --> 1:44:51.679 So this isn't your concluder. Oh no, I'm not gonna 1:44:52.840 --> 1:44:57.280 not waste have a completing thought though. Yeah you can 1:44:57.320 --> 1:45:00.160 final thought. You can final thought and then concluding could 1:45:00.240 --> 1:45:04.519 rip a concluder on the one to three. We'll jump 1:45:04.600 --> 1:45:07.120 over to Yanni for a concluder and then we'll come 1:45:07.120 --> 1:45:10.360 back to your regular concluder. Okay, yeah, my father my 1:45:10.680 --> 1:45:14.559 first concluder. Then um to do the timed thing where 1:45:14.560 --> 1:45:16.040 you go one to three. It has to be something 1:45:16.080 --> 1:45:20.920 you practice. You read about these idea that the sniper teams, 1:45:21.800 --> 1:45:23.720 if you if you read that the account of these 1:45:23.880 --> 1:45:26.360 um pirates that were shot off the back end of 1:45:26.400 --> 1:45:29.880 when these a navy, they did one three, yeah, and 1:45:29.960 --> 1:45:32.920 it's something they practice. And I think it's a silent 1:45:33.000 --> 1:45:39.040 thing though they going then pop, So it's it's all 1:45:39.280 --> 1:45:42.760 it's it's something that eliminate the count. You go one, yeah, 1:45:43.040 --> 1:45:46.400 once the stook the count. I think I can't say 1:45:46.439 --> 1:45:48.479 that's exactly how it goes, but there is something where 1:45:48.479 --> 1:45:51.720 it's sync with these guys work together so much or 1:45:51.800 --> 1:45:55.439 when they get down to doing it, most people are 1:45:55.560 --> 1:45:58.720 done and it's not something that was invented on that. 1:45:58.960 --> 1:46:01.160 In that case, it was you know, this is sniper 1:46:01.200 --> 1:46:03.920 work that's been going on for five decades and you 1:46:04.000 --> 1:46:08.200 know longer. Anyway, that was my other thought. That's a 1:46:08.240 --> 1:46:17.360 good one, really good. So many things talk about like 1:46:17.560 --> 1:46:19.760 like big high level concluders or you mean about the 1:46:19.800 --> 1:46:22.599 one too three and no not I'm over that. Um 1:46:23.680 --> 1:46:25.320 it's not really high level either. But I was gonna 1:46:25.360 --> 1:46:27.519 bring up we were gonna talk about possibly what we've 1:46:27.560 --> 1:46:30.120 been eating lately while a game abo use that from 1:46:30.160 --> 1:46:33.719 my concluder, like what you're hot on right now? Yeah, 1:46:34.000 --> 1:46:36.400 you know, I canned a whole bunch of elk in 1:46:36.479 --> 1:46:38.599 the last couple of years, and we really haven't been 1:46:38.640 --> 1:46:47.280 eaten that much. And then your car broke down. That 1:46:47.600 --> 1:46:55.560 was a bartering joke that went over my head. M 1:46:57.600 --> 1:47:00.360 But my house is actually kind of broke him down 1:47:00.479 --> 1:47:03.320 right now. It only has three walls one walls VisQueen 1:47:03.400 --> 1:47:06.040 as we're doing a little remodel work and uh, I'd 1:47:06.080 --> 1:47:08.640 like to do a shout out to camp Chef and 1:47:08.680 --> 1:47:10.960 Trigger because without them, I wouldn't be doing any kind 1:47:11.000 --> 1:47:12.640 of cooking because I don't have a kitchen right now. 1:47:13.280 --> 1:47:17.000 Camps at his house now, man, Yeah, yeah, it's kind 1:47:17.000 --> 1:47:19.680 of cool. I'm gonna actually miss there's a bird and 1:47:19.760 --> 1:47:21.720 I'm sorry I don't. I haven't. It's been on my 1:47:21.840 --> 1:47:24.120 list of things to do to identify the species. He's 1:47:24.120 --> 1:47:28.320 got a beautiful morning song. And our houses uh it's 1:47:28.360 --> 1:47:31.000 a cabin and he's been actually kind of coming. He's 1:47:31.000 --> 1:47:33.120 about two feet in the house in the morning and 1:47:33.280 --> 1:47:35.960 just like we've got a high ceiling that going and 1:47:36.040 --> 1:47:38.680 goes to this loft where we sleep, and um, I 1:47:38.720 --> 1:47:41.360 mean his song stills the whole house every morning, and 1:47:41.439 --> 1:47:44.080 I'm gonna miss that because it's all it's like you're camping, right, 1:47:44.160 --> 1:47:45.640 I mean, the trees are right there that you're just 1:47:45.720 --> 1:47:48.639 flying back and forth. Woman. It's been great anyways, going 1:47:48.720 --> 1:47:51.559 off on a tangent here, but the canned elk has 1:47:51.600 --> 1:47:53.960 been really coming in handy, right, because I come home 1:47:54.040 --> 1:47:56.240 and you're like looking at how many dishes you gotta do? Again, 1:47:56.320 --> 1:47:58.559 no kitchen at all, so we're just doing bust up 1:47:58.600 --> 1:48:03.559 dishes in the backyard. And when you look at Candell, 1:48:03.720 --> 1:48:08.439 it's not the most advertising thing. No at all. But 1:48:08.720 --> 1:48:10.760 I just want to say that if you haven't tried 1:48:10.800 --> 1:48:13.040 it yet, try it and don't go through the hassle 1:48:13.200 --> 1:48:16.080 of browning it, seizing it, anything like that. Do what 1:48:16.160 --> 1:48:19.599 they call raw pack, which you just cube it up, 1:48:19.760 --> 1:48:22.680 packing into the can. Can it. Some people have like 1:48:22.760 --> 1:48:25.240 a teaspoon of salt. I think maybe for a whole 1:48:25.360 --> 1:48:27.000 quart something like that. It might just be a half 1:48:27.000 --> 1:48:30.200 a teaspoon. Can you put it up? And then we've 1:48:30.240 --> 1:48:33.800 been just doing barbecue sandwiches with it. Uh sloppy Joe's 1:48:33.800 --> 1:48:40.200 style sandwiches. Uh tacos um. Oh yeah, making a stew, 1:48:40.360 --> 1:48:42.640 just like quickly blowing some carrots and potatoes, dumping it 1:48:42.680 --> 1:48:45.040 in there. And it's been a it's been awesome and 1:48:45.120 --> 1:48:47.400 it's been a savior. So now I don't want to 1:48:47.439 --> 1:48:50.240 look at him. Not I'm not quite so like I 1:48:50.280 --> 1:48:52.439 don't detest the books of it so much because I 1:48:52.479 --> 1:48:55.680 see the value in it. Though. Is the thinking on 1:48:55.920 --> 1:48:59.920 raw packing um is the thinking that one you can 1:49:00.040 --> 1:49:02.880 pack more in because it hasn't gotten rigid, so you 1:49:02.960 --> 1:49:06.679 get a higher you just get higher meat the liquid. 1:49:06.920 --> 1:49:09.240 But is there something too abount the way it expels 1:49:09.320 --> 1:49:12.080 water doesn't expel water is this ringing a bell at all? 1:49:14.320 --> 1:49:15.880 It's hard to say. I just feel like when you 1:49:16.000 --> 1:49:18.360 cook it first in the pan, you're losing a lot 1:49:18.439 --> 1:49:22.240 of moisture, probably fat, you know, and you put that 1:49:22.320 --> 1:49:26.160 back in the jar, right, yeah. Put. I feel like 1:49:26.240 --> 1:49:28.360 when you if you you're just saving yourself a step 1:49:28.400 --> 1:49:30.640 because when you brought back and cook it, it's all 1:49:30.760 --> 1:49:33.760 just just there in the in the jar. When I 1:49:33.880 --> 1:49:35.560 was a kid man, in hunting season was coming on, 1:49:35.760 --> 1:49:39.800 my old man would uh take a milk crate and 1:49:39.880 --> 1:49:42.000 he would like rig a milk crate out so we 1:49:42.040 --> 1:49:45.000 could just have lunches out tailgate lunches out in the woods, 1:49:45.400 --> 1:49:47.439 you know, are out of farms where we hunted. And 1:49:47.520 --> 1:49:50.000 if he would buy I remember he'd buy coffee drops, 1:49:50.280 --> 1:49:54.439 like the coffee candy, and he'd buy bags of prunes, 1:49:55.200 --> 1:49:56.720 and you put mustard in there, and you put a 1:49:56.760 --> 1:50:01.320 bunch of those jars of canned venison, jarred venison, and 1:50:01.360 --> 1:50:03.560 then we'd have uh and you'd have rye bread or 1:50:03.560 --> 1:50:06.439 whatever to spread it on. And it was like an 1:50:06.479 --> 1:50:09.680 early connection I made to be It's like always the 1:50:09.760 --> 1:50:12.960 last thing left from last year's deer will be the jars. 1:50:13.640 --> 1:50:16.759 And then you're eating the last bit of last year's 1:50:16.800 --> 1:50:20.320 deer while trying to get this year's one. And there's 1:50:20.360 --> 1:50:22.840 sort of a continuity to it that couldn't be missed 1:50:23.720 --> 1:50:25.720 even to a kid. And I still kind of have 1:50:25.880 --> 1:50:29.960 that like feeling of it. You know. My brother bought 1:50:30.000 --> 1:50:32.400 one of those things to make steel cans. We can 1:50:32.479 --> 1:50:34.759 make your own steel cans, not glass, and he started 1:50:34.760 --> 1:50:39.240 putting whole ducks in there, and then the duck would 1:50:39.280 --> 1:50:41.880 fit the can and then can the whole damn duck. 1:50:42.360 --> 1:50:44.280 But if you drove around it within your car for 1:50:44.280 --> 1:50:45.680 a while, by the time you pulled out, it was 1:50:45.760 --> 1:50:47.880 just like bones laying in the bottom there and duck 1:50:47.960 --> 1:50:52.280 meat floating on top. Remember being out one time my 1:50:52.680 --> 1:50:56.120 brother's neighbor had died and he cleaned out his house 1:50:56.160 --> 1:50:58.080 for some reason. He had a ton of slim Fast 1:50:59.400 --> 1:51:03.160 they'll slim fast cans. Remember being out hunting and um, 1:51:04.360 --> 1:51:06.320 we're just all we're doing is drinking slim Fast and 1:51:06.360 --> 1:51:13.280 eating those canned dogs. And my buddy Pooter was my 1:51:13.360 --> 1:51:15.200 Boddy Pooter was with us, and he says, man, I 1:51:15.240 --> 1:51:17.280 just feel like we're gonna be skinning bones. But this 1:51:22.120 --> 1:51:26.080 pat you got a concluder yeah. I um, I have 1:51:26.240 --> 1:51:29.080 to say it's I can't see you folks real well 1:51:29.120 --> 1:51:32.240 because the lights, but it's to me, it's really cool 1:51:32.320 --> 1:51:35.559 to think that this many people could come in here, 1:51:35.960 --> 1:51:38.719 listen to five people just talking about hunting and fishing. 1:51:39.560 --> 1:51:43.400 And I really want you to think about something Carl 1:51:43.479 --> 1:51:47.639 Malcolm brought up in the tempee Um podcast about making 1:51:47.800 --> 1:51:51.280 a conservation effort not just between the hunting community, but 1:51:51.400 --> 1:51:55.120 outside the hunting community. Build this big effort, just big 1:51:55.439 --> 1:51:58.720 coming together at a moment basically, and you know it's 1:51:58.760 --> 1:52:03.320 not gonna happen big, some big campaign, some big public 1:52:03.400 --> 1:52:07.160 relations effort. These kind of things happen slow but sure, 1:52:07.600 --> 1:52:10.040 and they happened around these kind of venues where you 1:52:10.200 --> 1:52:12.240 folks can kind of come in here. And the reason 1:52:12.320 --> 1:52:15.960 you hear I have no thought about this, it's because 1:52:15.960 --> 1:52:18.960 of Steve Ronnella. It's because of the way he can 1:52:19.160 --> 1:52:23.559 express great thoughts about hunting, not in a defensive way, 1:52:23.640 --> 1:52:26.599 but in an explanatory way that makes people have fun 1:52:27.040 --> 1:52:29.880 and think about things in a fun way, entertaining way. 1:52:30.479 --> 1:52:33.920 And so, like I mentioned earlier about the idea I 1:52:34.040 --> 1:52:43.679 need your parents I mentioned earlier, you know, the idea 1:52:43.800 --> 1:52:48.680 driving on the highway and seeing, uh, you know, the 1:52:49.040 --> 1:52:50.880 whole comparison between a dead deer in the back of 1:52:50.920 --> 1:52:56.320 the truck and load full of pork or college, whatever 1:52:56.360 --> 1:52:58.800 it might be. And the thing I wanted to think 1:52:58.800 --> 1:53:03.320 about is you guys becoming the face of hunting. Where 1:53:03.320 --> 1:53:06.680 are your blaze orange? Where are your camouflage? And when 1:53:06.760 --> 1:53:11.760 people talk to you, be polite, explain things, don't be defensive. 1:53:12.320 --> 1:53:14.400 Just reach out the folks in a fun way, in 1:53:14.439 --> 1:53:17.080 a in a friendly way. Because I found a number 1:53:17.080 --> 1:53:19.080 of times over the years, people see a dead deer 1:53:19.120 --> 1:53:22.559 in the back of my truck or something and they'll 1:53:22.600 --> 1:53:25.080 come over and just want to talk, and they don't 1:53:25.120 --> 1:53:26.760 know about this and that in the case I can 1:53:26.800 --> 1:53:30.000 think of as fishing out of Milwaukee one time, and 1:53:30.520 --> 1:53:34.760 is in McKinley Park in Milwaukee, catching sam. We brought 1:53:34.800 --> 1:53:38.640 in some salmon, and people walking by people have never 1:53:38.760 --> 1:53:41.479 seen a fish brought off a lake before in your lives. 1:53:41.880 --> 1:53:44.120 This is not something they do every day. And they 1:53:44.160 --> 1:53:46.519 were so fascinated that you could go out in this 1:53:46.680 --> 1:53:49.000 lake and catch a fish that big, bring it back, 1:53:49.120 --> 1:53:50.519 cut it up, and take up home and eat it. 1:53:51.040 --> 1:53:53.040 And I think that's kind of the image you should 1:53:53.040 --> 1:53:56.240 have some time and people you come across the mountain, 1:53:56.400 --> 1:54:00.320 out at a gas station, at a convenience store, lob 1:54:00.439 --> 1:54:02.760 don't know what they're really looking at here, So be 1:54:02.880 --> 1:54:06.519 patient with them and take those opportunities to just open 1:54:06.640 --> 1:54:08.479 up a little bit about what a great thing that 1:54:08.560 --> 1:54:11.080 we're doing. Because this is we're not doing it for um. 1:54:11.720 --> 1:54:15.600 I don't do it to keep populations in control or 1:54:15.760 --> 1:54:19.200 control disease, all these bullshit excuses people give for hunting. 1:54:20.439 --> 1:54:24.080 I do because it's fun and it's something I loved. 1:54:24.240 --> 1:54:28.080 I loved bringing meat home, processing that stuff, getting in 1:54:28.160 --> 1:54:31.120 the freezer, bringing out later. My wife's a great crook, 1:54:31.280 --> 1:54:34.560 My daughters are getting gonna be great crooks. I just 1:54:34.720 --> 1:54:38.000 find that aspect of it just so enriching and so 1:54:38.720 --> 1:54:42.120 to me exciting that I think that's hard to miss 1:54:42.160 --> 1:54:44.440 when when you're sincere about So just keep that in mind. 1:54:44.760 --> 1:54:58.560 Be the face of hunting. It was an altruistic population 1:54:58.600 --> 1:55:03.160 control hunting specialists. Um, It's like, I hate hunting, but 1:55:03.200 --> 1:55:04.920 if I didn't do it, we're just all gonna die 1:55:05.080 --> 1:55:09.000 from deer. But no, Pat, I was just gonna say 1:55:09.040 --> 1:55:11.320 a lot of the same things you said, mostly because 1:55:11.320 --> 1:55:13.960 I've been going off your notes the whole time. But um, 1:55:18.200 --> 1:55:21.000 but no, I just wanted to say thanks, thanks for 1:55:21.080 --> 1:55:24.520 everybody that's showed up here tonight. And and I guess 1:55:24.560 --> 1:55:26.160 the one of the big reasons I say that is 1:55:26.200 --> 1:55:28.960 because just the fact that you're here, you know, shows 1:55:29.000 --> 1:55:31.920 me that you care about hunting and care about fishing 1:55:32.000 --> 1:55:35.440 and care about our wild places on on a very 1:55:35.600 --> 1:55:38.920 deep level. And um, like like Pat said, you know, 1:55:39.000 --> 1:55:41.200 I mean it's on us to be a voice for that, 1:55:41.800 --> 1:55:44.680 um and and to and to communicate with people that 1:55:44.760 --> 1:55:48.400 maybe are outside our circle and and help them understand 1:55:48.640 --> 1:55:51.960 and and hopefully bring them into the fold. And uh. 1:55:52.560 --> 1:55:55.960 And also thanks to Steve and meeting her crew for 1:55:56.040 --> 1:55:58.360 having me here tonight and letting me sit with you 1:55:58.520 --> 1:56:02.200 guys and and being the voice that you guys are 1:56:02.400 --> 1:56:05.000 because I mean, I truly believe this, man, when when 1:56:05.040 --> 1:56:07.160 we are all long gone, people are gonna be sitting 1:56:07.160 --> 1:56:09.720 around campfires telling stories about you guys. So appreciate you guys. 1:56:19.680 --> 1:56:23.760 UM a little hurt, I guess I didn't ask my 1:56:23.840 --> 1:56:27.160 opinion on if you're gonna be away from lady for 1:56:27.200 --> 1:56:32.960 a long time. Oh okay, what would you do well? 1:56:33.000 --> 1:56:35.680 Not from personal reference, say you were in a situation, 1:56:37.040 --> 1:56:45.960 say you're in a situation where you love someone. Um M, 1:56:49.920 --> 1:56:51.760 I do listen to a lot of old country music 1:56:51.880 --> 1:56:57.040 when I'm working on the house. Charlie Pryett said, Uh, 1:56:58.600 --> 1:57:02.040 you know, tell her that you'll love her even when 1:57:02.120 --> 1:57:05.640 you're gone. I love her like a devil when you 1:57:05.680 --> 1:57:18.120 get back home. That seems it seems to make sense 1:57:18.160 --> 1:57:27.400 to me. And uh switch gears. Yeah. I think we 1:57:27.560 --> 1:57:31.720 all have to recognize that that we all have a 1:57:32.040 --> 1:57:37.720 platform and we can use it, uh in a lot 1:57:37.800 --> 1:57:41.840 of different ways. We know from looking at YouTube and uh, 1:57:43.080 --> 1:57:46.240 my grandma and my mom said always says, you know, 1:57:47.160 --> 1:57:49.920 you're not gonna be around that long. So if you 1:57:50.000 --> 1:57:53.920 get a shot at you know, talking to somebody that 1:57:53.960 --> 1:57:57.560 you want to talk to, it doesn't matter who it is, 1:57:57.640 --> 1:58:00.160 if they're the President of the United States and are 1:58:00.240 --> 1:58:04.800 right there, don't regret it, but utilize your time and 1:58:06.120 --> 1:58:09.520 and talk to him and let him know what you're thinking, 1:58:09.600 --> 1:58:12.720 because that may be the only shot you get. And Uh, 1:58:13.480 --> 1:58:16.880 I think we got to realize that. And when we have, 1:58:18.960 --> 1:58:22.360 you know, these interactions we had uh, you know, in 1:58:22.560 --> 1:58:27.920 person or socially, we needed uh. And I'm absolutely guilty 1:58:27.960 --> 1:58:31.200 of this as well, but we need to uh take 1:58:31.360 --> 1:58:34.600 take advantage of that time and make the best impression possible. 1:58:35.320 --> 1:58:38.440 And uh and make sure that hunting and fishing that 1:58:38.560 --> 1:58:43.120 we love is around for a really long time. And uh, 1:58:43.520 --> 1:58:47.280 I really got to thank everybody in here's uh you know, 1:58:47.360 --> 1:58:50.560 wearing those public landowner shirts and b h A shirts 1:58:50.640 --> 1:58:56.600 and the TRCP shirts and um, and thank you very much. 1:58:56.680 --> 1:58:58.800 But you know that's not enough. You gotta you gotta 1:58:58.840 --> 1:59:01.120 go a little bit further. You gotta get a public 1:59:01.200 --> 1:59:06.240 water t shirt, which doesn't exist yet. But uh, and 1:59:06.480 --> 1:59:09.440 if issues come up, not only in your state but 1:59:09.680 --> 1:59:13.400 in others, you know, take advantage and and uh pick 1:59:13.520 --> 1:59:16.320 up pick up the phone and call your duly elected 1:59:16.400 --> 1:59:20.320 officials and let them know that you appreciate what you 1:59:20.440 --> 1:59:24.120 do and the places that you can go and and 1:59:24.520 --> 1:59:34.200 enjoy those things. All right, my my concluder, are you cool? Uh? First, 1:59:34.760 --> 1:59:39.840 you uh wish a happy anniversary to our friend Mitch 1:59:39.920 --> 1:59:42.560 Petrie from Sports Channel is here with his wife Kristen, 1:59:42.640 --> 1:59:48.440 and presumably it's probably a large package of experiences that 1:59:48.480 --> 1:59:51.280 he's lavishing upon her this week. He chose to make 1:59:51.360 --> 1:59:55.360 this one of them, so happy anniversary, and also Uh, 1:59:56.160 --> 1:59:59.480 there's an active duty Air Force serviceman here named Craig Quinnett. 2:00:00.520 --> 2:00:03.080 Flew here to be here tonight and probably not in 2:00:03.200 --> 2:00:07.320 the Air Force jet. Are you here, Craig? Great? You 2:00:07.480 --> 2:00:18.080 made it all right, guys, Thank you very much. Oh. 2:00:18.120 --> 2:00:22.400 A couple quick announcements. Uh, we got our steam breathing, 2:00:23.000 --> 2:00:26.440 our steam breathing anthem turkey posters for sale out front. 2:00:26.520 --> 2:00:31.320 You saw those blouert shirts, Metior podcast shirts. Until we 2:00:31.400 --> 2:00:34.960 get kicked out, which happens when eleven. Yeah, so until 2:00:34.960 --> 2:00:37.320 we get kicked out of the leven will mosey up 2:00:37.400 --> 2:00:39.280 that that a way there, and we'll be there to 2:00:39.440 --> 2:00:42.080 take pictures and sign stuff and hang out until they 2:00:42.120 --> 2:00:44.760 tell us that we can't anymore. Thank you very much 2:00:45.200 --> 2:00:48.200 for coming out tonight. It is great and I love 2:00:48.360 --> 2:00:56.360 you all. Thank you. Let's try and hate a fre