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Speaker 1: This is the me Eater Podcast, coming at you shirtless, severely,

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Speaker 1: bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening I'm Eating podcast,

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Speaker 1: you can't predict anything. You guys really made me feel good.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, thanks for coming out everyone. Yeah. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna start out with a couple of introductions and then

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Speaker 1: we'll dig into some deeper stuff down. Then we have

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Speaker 1: our our produce, Sir Janice, who tell us we'll have

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Speaker 1: an eagle and uh. Also joining us is outdoor Calumnists

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Speaker 1: in general, outdoor writer Pat Durkin. You can't you can't

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Speaker 1: see it. You can't see it, but Pat. Uh But

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Speaker 1: but Pat Durkin has new tattoos. And I was asking him,

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Speaker 1: like why now, and he said that he's old enough

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Speaker 1: now where he doesn't have time to come to regret him. Also,

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Speaker 1: today we're looking. We're behind Pat's car and Pat has

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Speaker 1: happened to happen that way. It's like a modesty plate.

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Speaker 1: It's not a vanity plate. It's like, you know you're

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Speaker 1: a true hunter when they send you a two seventy

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Speaker 1: deer license plate, it's my wife's car. And uh we

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Speaker 1: have Mark Ordman from Vortex Optics. And I don't know

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Speaker 1: about you, but I, uh, you know, I've worked with

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Speaker 1: and been friends with the guys a Vortex for forever.

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Speaker 1: And when you have a problem you call up. It

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Speaker 1: won't be you, but like genuine people answer the phone

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Speaker 1: and you can call and ask for Mark. Yeah. So

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Speaker 1: when you have an optics question, call this guy out

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Speaker 1: and talk to him. And then we have a frequent

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Speaker 1: you know, I come like I come through here quite

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Speaker 1: that happened to me years ago where I was flying

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Speaker 1: And uh so I think about that often coming through here.

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Speaker 1: ask this as a trivia question earlier. A belted magnum.

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Speaker 1: The belt on a belted magnum serves no purpose, right,

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Speaker 1: It used to, but it doesn't. Now it doesn't strengthen anything.

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Speaker 1: breast cancer awareness, and some of the proceeds for that

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Speaker 1: that was very interesting because clobe cinnamon has been used

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Speaker 1: to take down the smell at DAFT for a thousand years,

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Speaker 1: The biggest game changer, though, I thought, was this new

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Speaker 1: we were complaining about restrictive draconian roadkill laws here in America,

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Speaker 1: Another guy we're talking about, like, we're talking this thing

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Speaker 1: that would just probably fall within that category. Yeah, I

427
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: think he's worried for no reason. I wonder if he

428
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 1: goes through a smoke shop. Seems they have alfalfa alfalfa infused.

429
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 1: We uh, okay, that was on the subject of baiting.

430
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 1: Now we're rolling back into I want to say, like

431
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: on the subject of rabbits, even though we have we're

432
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: a step removed from rabbits, but a good one. And

433
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 1: this is the one that comes in all the time.

434
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 1: And this is all part like we keep hearing about.

435
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 1: Our three is the three R R retention of hunters,

436
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 1: retention and reactivation. So you'd get people to hunt, keep

437
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 1: them hunting. If they quit, you get him back hunting again,

438
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: the R three. So I think all of these things

439
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: falling the R three. Like to take this one. And

440
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: this guy is like talking about suburban squirrels and rabbits

441
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: and how people keep telling them, oh, you can't eat

442
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: those because there's never an answer. But there's this like

443
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 1: prejudice against suburban They live amongst dirty people. It's part

444
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: it's like part of self. It's like self loading and stuff.

445
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: I'm guessing right, that's what he's like. Do they eat

446
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: stuff that that they eat stuff? Yeah, they eat the stuff.

447
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: You know, nasty we are. I've looked into this endlessly,

448
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: and the one the only one I ever heard. The

449
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: thought was kind of interesting, like, let's start with the

450
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: disease one. The disease ones, no, because like all these roads, um,

451
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter wild suburban. Even though the suburban ones

452
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 1: are quite wild. Uh, there's some like some of them

453
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: can have mites that could feasibly carry bubonic plague. You

454
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: can get tularemia from a rabbit. I don't think that

455
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: tularemia discriminates between ones that live kind of buy a

456
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 1: house and ones of really far away from the house.

457
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 1: So the disease one is no. But the one compelling

458
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 1: argument I heard one time would be that what if

459
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: the squirrel had eaten some rat poisoning And I've asked

460
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: around to a couple of doctors and they just like

461
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: they're just they don't but not seeing it. It would

462
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: be that so it ate it and then you got

463
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: it right after it ate it and then you ate

464
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: its stomach contents or something. It just isn't a isn't

465
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: a thing. They would have to stay alive long enough

466
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: for that poison to be absorbed into the meat somehow,

467
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: and even then it's like an anti there's an anti

468
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: coagulant in it. It just I don't think it's a

469
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: problem I have I don't have in a pretty suburban setting,

470
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: but certainly by my standards very I mean, I'm I'm

471
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: an urban I'm an urban night and uh in a

472
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: very teeny towne. Yeah. And I have rabbits that live

473
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: in my woodpile and I don't is Lee Malone. And

474
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: there's this older fellow that comes and walks by my

475
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: place every single day and the only thing he says

476
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: to me is how are those rabbits doing? And at

477
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: this point I kind of remind him that they were

478
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: likely not the same rabbits because he has a sense

479
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: of ownership. Um, and I have a couple of bulls.

480
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: I don't have space on the insides. I have a

481
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: couple of bull heads hanging outside the fish no like

482
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: uh yeah, and uh so I think maybe saying it like, hey,

483
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: don't kill those rabbits. And I have pondered killing the rabbits.

484
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,479
Speaker 1: And it's not this like, oh they're dirty rabbits thing

485
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: that's keeping me from killing them. It's the Yeah, it's

486
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: the old like outfitter adage, like you don't take the

487
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: timber next to camp because get snowed into camp. You're

488
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: gonna need that. Yeah, it's part of your like you're

489
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: like a prepper. Yeah, like one day those rabbits could

490
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: come in real handy. I'm not exaggerating. I've eat like

491
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: over the course of my lifetime, I've probably eaten Yeah, definitely, definitely,

492
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: way in excess, like into the hundreds of squirrels and

493
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: rabbits from the rural suburban interface and some quite a

494
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: number of squirrels from the epicenter of the nation's largest megalopolis,

495
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: which I don't want to go into great detail about.

496
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: And all you've ever come down with is lime disease

497
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: and tricks and yeah. And when I got trigger nosis,

498
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: it was about as far away from a person as

499
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: you can get, so no problems there um on the

500
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: you see how I'm You see how I'm like the

501
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,479
Speaker 1: trans how good the transitions are. Check this one out

502
00:30:55,800 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: on the subject of food safety. Dude's wondering, Uh, bon

503
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: in neck rolls? So I like bon in neck rolls

504
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: in c w D. Right, it's that used to like

505
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: we used to just like cut up a deer, do

506
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: you mind? I used to cut him right here at

507
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: the jaw and I cut him right here and just

508
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: take that whole thing and cook it. And and it's

509
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: like as much as as much as there's no like

510
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: there's no evidence, not no evidence that we know it

511
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: hasn't happened. Like there's there's no one's no humans contracted

512
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: c w D as far as we know, no Kayo

513
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: has contracted CWD. No black bears contracted c w D. Um.

514
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: That's probably just though, because it's a fake, uh that

515
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: he's made up by the government. Then I learned, I'm

516
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: glad you brought that up here because I wanted to

517
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: touch about the new is it honestly new idea? Like

518
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: the new idea that it's all that is. I've only

519
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: heard about that new idea in the last couple of weeks. Yeah, that,

520
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: in fact, it's not true. It's funny because one, I

521
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: hope that those people are right. I would much rather

522
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: have to deal with a large government conspiracy, then I

523
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: would have to do with the potential contamination of my

524
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: my preferred food source. So it's like I hope that

525
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,479
Speaker 1: it's I would love it to tomorrow realize it's all

526
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: this big lie. But I also find it's funny that

527
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: so much of the that that, like some of the

528
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: people who don't believe that there's a disease called c

529
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: w D happen to be involved in the captive servant industry.

530
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: It's like, that's like too coincidental and sort of convenient

531
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: to overlook. But to get back to the neck rols thing,

532
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: it's like, even though there's no like it hasn't made,

533
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: that hasn't jumped the barrier, right, so there's no predators

534
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: that have gotten that, humans that have gotten it. Um.

535
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: There's a lot of questions about how long it's been.

536
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: There has certainly been there. Humans have absolutely certainly consumed

537
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: thousands of pounds of c w D. In fact that

538
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: venison absolutely um. But it's changed the way I look

539
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: at it. It's changed like now I'm like still do it.

540
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: But if I'm like, hone in Wisconsin, we had it's

541
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: like a c w D area and you get free testing,

542
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: so you get back to like negative. But I still

543
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: can't help perceive it differently. Well, when they did a test,

544
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: the first thing I tell you in your card you

545
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: get back, it'll say to the something to the effect

546
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: that we cannot find evidence of c w D in

547
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: your sample. But that does not guarantee c w D

548
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: is not present in that meat. You know, day I

549
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,719
Speaker 1: tell you that. Um, the thing that we're doing now

550
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: the wing Wisconsin is the law changed now. If you're

551
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: in a c w a c w D area and

552
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: you kill a deer there, you cannot remove the bones

553
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: from that deer in that area. It has to stay

554
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: in that area. And then like dug her And wants

555
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: to have a dumpster for the public to use right

556
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: outside of his farm there and his driveways for people,

557
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: and people can dump their dump their bones there be

558
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: done with it and not discarded, not being started out

559
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 1: in the landscape. You know, because right now, in the past,

560
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: you could basically shoot a deer at Dougs farm or

561
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: my uncle's farm ten miles down the road and go

562
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: home with it, and no one ever got ticketed for

563
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: bringing home a deer across out of the county. Even

564
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: though it's putting against the law of for fifteen twenty

565
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: years now. But to get back to the question, you know, personally,

566
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 1: at sixty two years old, I'm not too worried about

567
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: being the first human to come down with c w D.

568
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: The same way you look at the tattoo, the same

569
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: thing the tattoo, the same exact thing. Um, But I'll

570
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: be damned from that. Make a neck roast and sear

571
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 1: it's my grandkids. You know, I don't think, okay, if

572
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: it comes to a c w D area or any

573
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: deer um CWD area, I guess I'm just not getting

574
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: that worked up about it when I go out to

575
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: Idaho and shoot an elk out there Arizona or something.

576
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 1: But I I guess if I were in the Midwest

577
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 1: nol though, like right here in Minnesota too, and northern Wisconsin,

578
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: northern Wisconsin, we phone to c D c w D

579
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 1: deer on the Wisconsin River up by Ryan Lander, which

580
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: is up in a northern forest, which they aren't They

581
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: have been sampling, so we can't say where cw D

582
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: is not anymore because we aren't haven't been checking for it.

583
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: And if we're gonna complain about our states not doing

584
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: their job. Our agencies, That's what I'd say, We're not

585
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: doing our job. We aren't doing a good job of surveying.

586
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: They have a big area periodically to just make sure real, kay,

587
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 1: because we don't know right now. Well, you have you have, sorry,

588
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: you have c w D within uh you know, a

589
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: hundred air miles probably of where you hunt elk in Idaho, definitely,

590
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: and and and definitely I'm not that far off of

591
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: a lot of places where I hunt and Idaho, and

592
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 1: certainly I have it m probably in the spots that

593
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: I hunt in Montana. So I really want to know.

594
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: How comfortable are you taking that whole altc roast? I well,

595
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 1: there again, I'm not packing any meet my name, bones

596
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: out is boning it out and taking taking just to meat.

597
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: So I don't I don't worry about a whole lot.

598
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: But there's something about leaving that bone in that neck

599
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: neck roast. I think that had me a little bit

600
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: more uneasy. Yeah, it just feels a little different, did

601
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: you think. I don't know if you have folks follow

602
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: all this, but the preons that they think caused c

603
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: w D is in that's a lot of it's in

604
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: the spinal column. That's where they find it in the

605
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: heaviest concentrations, and so who, I don't know. I guess

606
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to do it. I feel like also

607
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 1: it's one of the few recommendations that they actually make,

608
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: like if you're not gonna do anything, like, don't do this,

609
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: like like you said, stay away from the spinal column,

610
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: don't saw through it. But then a legitimate question that

611
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: I have about CWD is the deer aren't contracting it

612
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: from one another by eating each other's spinal column. So

613
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: it's like fluids or this that the other. So is

614
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: it not even is it not necessarily even a hunter

615
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: issue or I consume deer issue. Is it just it's

616
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: in the landscape issue? Yeah, well it's a good question.

617
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: But the thing you return to all the time is like,

618
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: no one's gotten it. As much as I was goofing

619
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 1: on people who I think, there's this big spectrum, like

620
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: like when people are great about the c WD and

621
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: the deniers, right, I'm using I'm making a little quality

622
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: uh symbols of my hands right now, that's a spectrum.

623
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 1: It's a spectrum of attitudes, Okay. And I think the

624
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: ones who say like there's no such thing. I think

625
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: is is goofy and kind of laughable, right, but there's

626
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 1: a reasonable position to say, um, it's it's there. I

627
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: agree that this is a thing that happens to deer um.

628
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 1: It may have been here a long time. We weren't

629
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: aware of it. We just we know when we identified it.

630
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 1: But there could be this long window of existence where

631
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: it was just we've just been having it. It's this

632
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: thing that occurs naturally, not too long. No, you don't know. No,

633
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 1: that the history that at disease, they would think based

634
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: on what was first discovering Wisconsin, they thought it probably

635
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: showed up probably somewhere between ten twenty years before based

636
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: on the epidemiology or that disease could go back to

637
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: the sixties. Yeah, when when folks say this disease has

638
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: been around forever, that's not true. And you know, you

639
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: don't want to just calm b users, but you know,

640
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 1: it's it's just not true. It's it's just a really

641
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: recent disease, and I just think we have to deal

642
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: with it now. But yeah, when I go deer hunting, though,

643
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: I you know where I hunt. You've been the farm

644
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: where I hunt. Your cousin or aunt. My it's my

645
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: cousin's farm. Now it's my my laid uncle and an.

646
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: So that's where I yeah, yeah, And she always wants

647
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: you guys to come back because she likes you guys

648
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: all the gates. But it's still it's still for me

649
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: as much fun as it's ever bend. It's something you know,

650
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: our family gets together, sorry, one time a year hun

651
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: the weekend basically, and that's it. It's still fun. But

652
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 1: but I'm more careful about now as far as boning

653
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: things out and as why as a person boning out anyway.

654
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: But now I thought the new law is going in,

655
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: I think, well, that's one of those laws that makes sense.

656
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: It's a little more inconvenient if it makes sense, and

657
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 1: I think, you know, you know, it's good public policy.

658
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, that that's what what I'm talking about.

659
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: That that that like spectrum thing. I'm just trying to

660
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: identify the point of the spectrum where my annoyance goes away.

661
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: And the thing that I find is like people like

662
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: I think I found about human beings is we tend

663
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 1: to like easy ideas that make us feel good. So

664
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: when I am talking to someone who's like, I don't

665
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: see the big deal. I'm just gonna continue eating it.

666
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 1: I'm like hell yeah, man, right for a couple of minutes,

667
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: and then some other guys like, bro, do you want

668
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 1: to be the one? And I'm like, oh no, And

669
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: I get that sinking feeling, you know, its part is.

670
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's what I struggle with too, because

671
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: when and you know this, and I think you've I've

672
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: heard you describe it this way, but when you pull

673
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: that necrosed out and you do it correctly, you can

674
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: basically take that spinal column and remove it, and it

675
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 1: is so clean, and it instantly like drives. You can

676
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: put it in the Smithsonian it is. It is so clean.

677
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: And that is so deeply satisfying to look at that

678
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: whitening bone that has zero meat on it, because I

679
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: feel like I've just done my job as an appreciator

680
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: of that animal, and that's what I potentially have to

681
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: throw away because that neck is so hard to debone properly,

682
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: Like you will never get at that clean in the field. No, no, dude,

683
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: I don't care how nice your boning knife, you will not.

684
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: It's wasteful to bone out of neck. You need to

685
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: cook that some bitch down and yeah, times are changing, man,

686
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: But again, I don't know if I'm gonna give up yet.

687
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: On the subject of food safety, um health advisories in fish,

688
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: so here we know like c W D Okay, it's theoretical,

689
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: not theoretical, Like the idea that it was that a

690
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 1: person can catch it has never happened. People eating thousands

691
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: of pounds health advisories and fish, we damn sure know

692
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: that heavy metals are no good for you. I eat

693
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: that stuff like I eat fish out of health advisory

694
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: lakes all the time. We eat big hall a bit,

695
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: you know, without I never think about it. I try

696
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 1: to hide the existence of health advisories to my wife

697
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: because it's a conversation I don't feel like having where

698
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: I live, Like where I live right now, they suggest

699
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: that where I live right now, in fish yellow perchs,

700
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: they suggest that you do not eat more than two meals.

701
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: What is it, then, two meals of yellow perch out

702
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: of this lake every month, but only yellow perch that

703
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: are twelve inches Because at that point I think it's

704
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 1: that at that point, when the yellow perches twelve inches,

705
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: he becomes pisciferous, He becomes a fish eater, and so

706
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 1: then he becomes a bioaccumulator um. But I don't pay

707
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,919
Speaker 1: attention to it because I just know that when I die,

708
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: that's not gonna be what I die from. Like I'm

709
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: not gonna die. And then they're do an autopsy and

710
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: some dudees like was he eating perch? You know, It's

711
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: just like it's just no way, man, And then this dude,

712
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: I this dude I grew up around one of one

713
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 1: of my one of my young fishing mentors, was this

714
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: guy named Ron Spring, and they were trying to start

715
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 1: the effects of heavy metals on mercury and other things

716
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 1: on people who would consume fish, and everyone anywhere, everyone

717
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: in a hundred miles of Ron Spring knew that if

718
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: you want to talk to guy that eats a lot

719
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 1: of fish, talk to Ron Spring. This guy's job he

720
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 1: was a commercial bait fish, so he fished leeches, wigglers,

721
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: dog worms, sane mentos, and supplied live bait to all

722
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: the bait shops. But he also was a fish eating machine.

723
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 1: So he starts going to Michigan State University for these

724
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: batteries or no you of m they start having him

725
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: out to do these batteries of tests where they say

726
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: to him like, okay, check it out. You need to

727
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: go to a grocery store and you gotta buy in

728
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: a name like thirteen things he's supposed to buy. Then

729
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: you have to go sit in the room by himself

730
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: in a while later and like what are you supposed

731
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: to buy? Again? And he came home from it once

732
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: and said, Steve, I don't care if I ever a

733
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: fish in my life, I wouldn't be able to remember

734
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 1: that list. So but yeah, it's like I can't get on.

735
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: I recognize, sure, but I just like catching neat and

736
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: fish more than I feared out. There was a case

737
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin where a guy got really sick from I

738
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: think as he a mercury or his mercury from he

739
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: he took can pickled Northern Pike NonStop and ate it

740
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: for I think he ate it daily and he did

741
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: get sick. Was his name, Brody Henderson. I don't think so,

742
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: but you know my my situation, I do. Actually they

743
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: think he got sick. He definitely definitely got sick for him,

744
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: But but then he was eating it in such quantities

745
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: that he probably gotten sick of something. That's just he

746
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: really lived on that stuff so and and it does accumulate,

747
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 1: and it made him sick. That's a lot of it's

748
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: a lot of pike, but he's eating it daily, well sick.

749
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: We had to go to hospital. Did he get better?

750
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: I think he survived it, but I don't. I don't

751
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: have the whole history is it's probably ten years ago now.

752
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: But the thing I think I was coming to when

753
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: he when he was catching all these pike, did he

754
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: have all the sinkers in his mouth? I did that

755
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: for thirty years. I mean, you, okay, go on, But

756
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: I should say though, that that is a freak a

757
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 1: care and so I mean, when you eat that much

758
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: fish where you actually make yourself sick from the build

759
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: up of the heavy metals, that's such an unusual freak thing.

760
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: I guess I just want I read that, but I

761
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: thought I was just another freak story. Now that's where

762
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,720
Speaker 1: I write it off. I think for the average person

763
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: to catch the kind of size pike and walleyes and

764
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: and perch, whatever it might be, To catch enough of

765
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 1: those those real heavy accumulated fish and then eat them

766
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: on a regular basis enough to where you actually get

767
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: sick is still take an awful lot of fish. So

768
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: I guess I I read them, I pay attention to them.

769
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: But then I started doing the math, and I think

770
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: I'll never catch enough that fish to ever make a difference,

771
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: you know. And so but but I think, for again though,

772
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 1: that's for me, and when my wife was of a

773
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: childbearing age, that we pay attention to that because I thought, well,

774
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 1: again though, because I'm not the great of a fisherman,

775
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: I look at how many wall as I caught three

776
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: twenty inches long, that we're the ones you're supposed to avoid.

777
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: To think what happens once a year? You know, where

778
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: I catch your fish that big? And when that big,

779
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: if you can keep tracking pretty easily and not feed

780
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: it to her, and so so I think those kind

781
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: of things that I think it's a good public information.

782
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: I think we'd be bitching out our government if we

783
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 1: weren't doing that. And so the fact, yeah, you can imagine, dude,

784
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: if no one ever brought it up, and then someone

785
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 1: some journalists unearthed these troves of research pieces about heavy

786
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 1: metal contamination right Flint, Michigan on a fisherman level, and yeah,

787
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 1: well not so it's a great analogy and that in

788
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 1: the PCBs in fish on Lake Michigan. So I think

789
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 1: it's a government's responsibility, you know, watching the public resource

790
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: and publicly consumed fish has to do that, you know,

791
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: it's I think it's a good responsibility. I think they

792
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: should keep doing. And I'm always glad when it comes out.

793
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: I I look it over and I got ah, I

794
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: wanna affect me. I don't eat enough of them. I

795
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: will say this. I grew up eating salmon about three

796
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: days a week. You're from Pacific Northwest, and I'm still

797
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: here to tell about it. I may not be I

798
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: may not be the brightest, but I am sitting here

799
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:15,919
Speaker 1: right now. Uh. It's funny the way like people, oh yeah,

800
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: go ahead, and you're still on the subject. Go ahead.

801
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: I was gonna I was gonna move slightly off by

802
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: something just occurred to me because I'm uh, for my

803
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: tenth anniversary, my wife bought me one of these rubber

804
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: rings instead of a metal ring ring. So you want

805
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: to talk about like how we deal with risk, right,

806
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: I've heard a couple isolated scenarios of dudes getting their

807
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: ring hung up on something and sleeping their finger, and

808
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: so for that it was enough for me to not

809
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: wear my wedding game and switch to this. Okay, but

810
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 1: I'll eat every contaminated fish that comes across my deep prior.

811
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: We're all just like you're we're just like irrational. Yeah

812
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 1: watch this. So you were worrying that when they're doing

813
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: your autosic, they're like, fun of a bitch got sleeved

814
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: and bled out. Yeah, like in some weird way enough

815
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: to where I said to my wife, and I didn't

816
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: ask for one, she didn't know what they were. But

817
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: it's I've brought it up enough to the point where

818
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: like at whatever point of spouse registers the idea for

819
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: a gift, I've brought it up that number of times, like, man,

820
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: you know, I sure hope I don't get sleeved by

821
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 1: my ring. I think you need to describe sleeved. Well

822
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 1: if if you ever want to see some terrible pictures

823
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: if I happened to people who get sleeved, which is

824
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: you know, uh, the ring catches like let's say you're

825
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: screwing tree steps and you reach up and grab onto

826
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: him and as you start stepping, you lose your you're footing,

827
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 1: and it happens, and guys catch that wedding ring on

828
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: the tip of that tree step. You want to see

829
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: some gory. Just how many people start doing start? I wish,

830
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: I wish. I remember the issue of Deer and Deer

831
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: Hunting magazine when I was at Deer and Deer Running

832
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 1: magazine back in the nineties. But we had a picture

833
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 1: of a tree stand accident by Brad Herndon. He's a

834
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: good writer and he's retired now down in Indiana, Indiana,

835
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: and he had done one of those where he sleeped

836
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 1: his his ring finger and we ran the picture in

837
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: the magazine and I'll never get that image on my mind. Yeah,

838
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: what turn. What would initially alarm me is I arked

839
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: it on a boat battery and welded my finger to

840
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: a boat battery. That's when I was like, how does However,

841
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: I was holding the player and whatnot and messing with

842
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: the boat battery and like leaning down, you know, and

843
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 1: nothing like. Well then on there and I had to

844
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 1: pop it off. And that's when I started my fear

845
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: that I waited for. You here is the remedy with

846
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: this here silicone, Well, I am convinced dangerous. Get this

847
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: thing away from me. I'm gonna I'm gonna second follow

848
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 1: up to that um because you're thinking about things that

849
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: might get you in the end, Do you think about

850
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: things that might get youander, like what the likely cause

851
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: will be, what you'd like to be gotten by. I

852
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: just go by, like I type in like what you know,

853
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: like what kills American males. It's like the heart disease.

854
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: So I just assume, like I picture dying from that,

855
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: so you take comfort, You're just like, nopeart disease. Yeah. Yeah,

856
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: So like when I think of death, I picture be

857
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 1: being very old surrounded by loving children, right, extremely old,

858
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: very loving children, And I just like, that's that's just

859
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: how I That's just how I imagine it going down there.

860
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: There's a lot of scenarios. Every time I make a decision,

861
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of end up with, yeah, i'd be

862
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: okay with that, and I haven't there. But there's those

863
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: like you're in gridlocked traffic. I'm like not not not

864
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: today is in one of those times. But the final

865
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: thought on the health advisory thing, which I keep kicking around,

866
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,760
Speaker 1: uh is how many h how many shots of alcohol

867
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: are you supposed to do in one night? Like not many?

868
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: There's one that no one pays attention to remember, like

869
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: there's like legit health advisories about drinking booze, right, Like

870
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,240
Speaker 1: no one thinks booze is good, but people just drink booze,

871
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: you know, And like I used to, we used to

872
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: like to light bottle rockets and have them in between

873
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: your teeth, like let it go at the right moment.

874
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: What's the health advised me on that? So but it's

875
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: on my mind man, you know. Um, speaking of fish,

876
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: someone wants to know. We get a lot of questions

877
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: like this, how do you guys freeze freshwater fish? Did

878
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 1: you grow up freezing in buckets of water? I've seen it, yeah,

879
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 1: I mean we didn't, but most of our fish was

880
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: you know, either if I guess freshwire like river you know, salmon,

881
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: steelhead or the saltwater. But um, pretty much when Vacuum

882
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,280
Speaker 1: series came out, I mean that's when we really started

883
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: putting up a lot of fish and and being able

884
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 1: to keep it for a long time. But growing up, man,

885
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: growing up, I remember fishing up north and put them

886
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: in milk curtains and then I'm yeah, getting it in

887
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: their kind where they're just kind of floating in that

888
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: real pack tip together and freezing that and taking it home,

889
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: and later I remember my mom would always um, I

890
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: never quite understood this when she soaked them in milk

891
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 1: and then freeze them all right, didn't didn't ever question that.

892
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: But yep, still taste okay. I just did that with

893
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: pick the Dungeoness crab frolls at milk. Let us sit

894
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: in my freezer. Year thought at all. I thought it

895
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: was as good, not as good as fresh, but good. Interesting.

896
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: But we always frolls fresh water fish in like we

897
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: take gallon. My old man to like take gallon milk

898
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 1: jugs or butter tubs or peanut butter buckets, anything like that. Man,

899
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: you put the fish in there, pour water on it,

900
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: and freeze it. But your whole freezer gets so yes,

901
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: it is full of water. Yeah, you couldn't bring it anywhere.

902
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: And these days we just vacuum seal everything. That's what's

903
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: that's when I switched to Then I had like a

904
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 1: love hate with vacuum selers because I think I was

905
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: using like really bad bags because you vacuum seal your

906
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: bags and you dopen your freezer up and they wouldn't

907
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: be sealed anymore. And then I slowly realized that it

908
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: was like you can't jostle them. People that rub them.

909
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 1: You're like, you know, you're banging around your freeze trying

910
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 1: to find something. You're you're jostle in the bags and

911
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 1: banging them on the wires and your freezer bang them together,

912
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: and you make small abrasions. So that's why when you

913
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 1: vaccine something, you open it later, it's no good anymore.

914
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: But I've now I've vac seal all fish, act seal

915
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: all ah anything, birds, a vac seal turtles frog. The

916
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:24,439
Speaker 1: only thing I like wrap is red meat double wrap.

917
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 1: Why why do you make a difference there? Because it's

918
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: just like it just feels like a sole bulletproof man

919
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: and it's just fast for me to do. I just

920
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: wrap it in plastic wrap and wrap it and freezer paper.

921
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: I like the way it looks in my freezer, just

922
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 1: like it looks like Fort Knox in there. You know. Well,

923
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 1: the way we decided is that um, I do all

924
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: the knife work. If my wife volunteers to help and

925
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 1: gets the vacuum sealer out, I don't complain. I just

926
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: let her do what she wants. And and if it's me,

927
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,800
Speaker 1: I'd probably I find a paper less troublesome but she

928
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 1: likes the vacuum steeler, and I can't tell a difference

929
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,760
Speaker 1: to me. That's another thing is wrapping meat the double

930
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: wrap way. You can you can eat it two years later,

931
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: three years later. If you wrap that, if you get

932
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 1: that plastic wrap tight tight tight, like all air out

933
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 1: tight like a condom, and then you wrap that wax

934
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: freezer paper, it never goes bad then. So I just

935
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: pulled that chunk elk out. And we've talked about this before,

936
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 1: but I do as little cutting as possible, big chunks,

937
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 1: no trimming. Wrap it in paper, no plastic, no plastic,

938
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:43,800
Speaker 1: no plastic. Uh god, I'm anti plastic as much as possible.

939
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 1: Just you don't need to. You don't feel the need

940
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:49,399
Speaker 1: to just pump more plastic out into the planet. Correct. Yeah,

941
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: you know it's like a freezer paper. I think technically,

942
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: you know, it's got that little shiny there's only so

943
00:55:56,120 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 1: much you can do. He's being inconvenience already. Yeah, but

944
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: I'll figure it out one of these days. It's it's

945
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: supposed to be used the way you're using it. I

946
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: think when you when you look at the directions on

947
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 1: the on that freezer paper, roll like right, there's a

948
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: little diagram and they're like they have that weird roll

949
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: that nobody I don't see every anybody ever. Do you

950
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 1: know I'm talking about the roll Butcher's roll. No, I'm

951
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: a corner to corner genuine Butcher's roll. I don't think

952
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 1: that's how the Yeah, because there's like this weird like

953
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: compressed air out of it where you roll up one

954
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: end like you make a bag and roll it super tight. Yeah,

955
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what that is. Yeah,

956
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: I don't use it. But like I put this elk

957
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: away stinky. I was experimenting, which I often do, and

958
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 1: and it aged and it had like I started to

959
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: produce moisture again along with it a bit of a smell,

960
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 1: and so you know, I just kind of squinted my

961
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: eyes and rolled it up and got it in the freezer.

962
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 1: And uh, I took that out last week and it

963
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: was fantastic, Like it had got it still had that

964
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: ripe odor. No odor was gone, trimmed off the outside

965
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: like some cultures they like high. Like if you read

966
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,959
Speaker 1: old French cookbooks, they'll say hang it until it's high,

967
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:30,479
Speaker 1: meaning smells off. Yeah, and I've read that. I don't

968
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: know that term specifically, but I've read that that kind

969
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: of shiny slimy is like ultra enzyme action on the outside.

970
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: And there's things in old French cookbooks to hang foul.

971
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: I can't remember it by that. You remember this the

972
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: neck or the foot until it falls. Tell us in

973
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: the neck till the body weight pulls it off to

974
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: the bod, till it decays enough of the body weight

975
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: pulls it down to the ground. And as mentioned the

976
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: hunter times my day, I would talk about hanging dear

977
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: until it had a quarter inch of mold on it.

978
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: But we just ate he ate some uh meat. We

979
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: discussed this. We ate some meat that had been hanging

980
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: for eighteen months, eighteen months, aged in the fridge at

981
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: eight degrees yeah something. It was controlled, tastes like cheese. Yeah.

982
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: But Steve, before you before you move on, can be

983
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 1: transition back to your the urban diseases, because I thought

984
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: with your background, you'd you'd tell us about your days

985
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: of hunting that um pigeons up in the up in

986
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: the bridges. I mean, that's about as urban as you

987
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: can get. The days Yeah, yeah, yeah, eating street pigeons

988
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: out of like not you know, everybody streeting, not everybody.

989
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: A lot of people eat street pigeons from out in

990
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: the farm country, but eating street pigeons from cities, no problem.

991
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 1: I've eaten streets pigeons off the streets of New York.

992
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here right now. There's your proof. But I've

993
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 1: had a lot of ailments. Man, I've had a lot

994
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 1: of weird ailments in my day, but not like not

995
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: related to that weird ailment. But then you think too many.

996
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: I had to like return around because I thought of

997
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 1: this to day when we were touring the Federal plant.

998
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: You're some about that that they have that lead. Okay,

999
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: they get you take lead from They take lead from

1000
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: car batteries, and they brought these like ing gets, some

1001
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: recycled lead, but they add like these small percentages of antimony,

1002
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: which is a lead hardener. When I was a little kid,

1003
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: we'd go down to the Twin Light Gun Club, which

1004
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 1: was a mile and a half from our house. We

1005
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: go down there, check to make sure no one was

1006
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 1: actively shooting, go far down to the other end without

1007
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 1: putting any kind of flag or notification out, and take

1008
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 1: a screen that our old man made us. He made

1009
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: us like an archaeologist screens like a box of the

1010
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 1: screen in the bottom, and we would sift the burn

1011
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: to get all the bullets out of it, take those

1012
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: home and take a torch, and we had like you

1013
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: know those pots you melt lead in, and we would

1014
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: take a torch and melt all that lead and get

1015
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 1: all the impurities off, and the lead would rise up,

1016
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 1: and we had a sinker mold to pour our own

1017
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: split shot. And I never and it wasn't until the

1018
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 1: day that I understood, like when you would tooth tightened

1019
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 1: that split shot, you'd always hear your tooth crunch in

1020
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: a way that you wouldn't hear was store bought split shot.

1021
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 1: And I realized now it's like the minute they said

1022
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 1: to them, like so that's what that was, because it

1023
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: always had like a disconcerting like a disconcerting like crunch noise. Man,

1024
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: those antimony in there, I can't see out of that.

1025
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 1: I had a slight touch of tooth. And I had

1026
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 1: to laugh at the Federal Plant today because we were

1027
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: walking through the shot area. Um about the time you

1028
01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 1: probably had your same realization. But they had this huge,

1029
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: you know, uh barrel full of probably number seven shot,

1030
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 1: really fine shot and it's just it's brand new, and

1031
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 1: it's just kind of glistening there, and I think every

1032
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 1: single one of us kind of staring at it for

1033
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: a second, and then just like a bunch of little kids,

1034
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: you're just like hands in this big thing. A lad, yeah,

1035
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: you can't not do it. I just got to get

1036
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 1: in there. And but my my brother, he would like

1037
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 1: collect mercury out of old He'd collect mercury out of

1038
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: thermometers until he had like a big ball of it

1039
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: that he kept the thirty five millimeter film candister, and

1040
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 1: we get that mercury on this roll around. It's which

1041
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: I think was stupid even then. It was like, you know,

1042
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: thirty five years ago, still stupid, are already stupid. Um

1043
01:01:53,920 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: legal and ethical conundrums of bartering or trade being fishing game.

1044
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 1: It's illegal, right, it's illegal to formally it's illegal to

1045
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 1: barter fishing game. Like just way in the nineteen thirties

1046
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 1: and and earlier, we started to set up laws in

1047
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 1: this country though, to de commodify game, um to to

1048
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 1: destroy the economic incentive for market hunters to go out

1049
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 1: and kill North American game and sell it. And I

1050
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 1: was like the first most important step we had to

1051
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 1: take to recover American wildlife. Um and they came into

1052
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:37,439
Speaker 1: and said, you can't barter it. But who it's kinda

1053
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 1: it's kind of funny. And I got a buddy who

1054
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 1: one time was down on a dock and he and

1055
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 1: a guy he was coming back from lincot fishing, another

1056
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 1: guy was coming back from uh fishing spots shrimp. They

1057
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 1: didn't know each other, and they struck up a conversation

1058
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 1: and struck up a deal by which they would do

1059
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 1: a swap and an undercover game. Warden right there really

1060
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: doing if they were doing a formal you know what

1061
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 1: formal barter, what they bartying? What was he buttering for

1062
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 1: link cod for shrimp, shrimp lin cod for sport called shrimp.

1063
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 1: Because they didn't know each other and it was a formal,

1064
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 1: they were making a formal arrangement. They were like applying

1065
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 1: sort of mentally applying value in trading. But like my

1066
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 1: brother who lives in Alaska, when he comes down, he

1067
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 1: brings me king salmon and I trade him contaminated perch fils, right,

1068
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 1: but we don't it's not. But he'll even say, like hey,

1069
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 1: man um or whatever else, say, you know, bring a

1070
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 1: cooler down when he come because he's from the Midwest

1071
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 1: and he misses perch. Do you know that they that

1072
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 1: that those guys challenge it, they go to court and

1073
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 1: challenge it. Any idea, No, because I would think it's illegal.

1074
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 1: It's but it's illegal. But it's one of those things

1075
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 1: where you talked to a sensible person and go, I

1076
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 1: don't think that's the intent of that law. That but

1077
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 1: your judgment agree with you that typically when people get

1078
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 1: busted that kind of stuff, they're doing something they're getting

1079
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 1: real value for it. You know, there's usual money at

1080
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 1: some point and they exchange you know, like he's going

1081
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 1: to do. Would be let's say, like I give my

1082
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 1: my auto mechanic some elk of a year as a

1083
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 1: thank you gift, you know, like some people might take flowers.

1084
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,959
Speaker 1: I take him a roast. Okay, well, if he wrote

1085
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 1: you an invoice and exactly exactly if if you were

1086
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 1: if I were to say, hey, if I give you

1087
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 1: half an elk, but you fixed my transmission next week,

1088
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 1: that'd be illegal. You know, that's cut and dried. But

1089
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 1: you know, fish shrimp for fish. I would think any

1090
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 1: any reasonable person to say that's that's not right. But

1091
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 1: what if you were to say, Hey, I have this

1092
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 1: real nice lind cod play here. How about you give

1093
01:04:54,240 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 1: me ten pounds of spots, And then Rude said he said, yeah,

1094
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 1: I think it's only worth five pounds, and he goes,

1095
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 1: all right, how about we settle somewhere in seven a

1096
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 1: half pounds. I still think that, right, No, if he's like, dude,

1097
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 1: these spots shrimp tails are thirty bucks a pound, give

1098
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 1: me the whole damn link, right that you agree that

1099
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: there's a point at which but but I agree to

1100
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 1: in the in the spirit of the law thing, the

1101
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 1: spirit laws, the spirit of the law. I agree that

1102
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 1: my brother is saying, hey, I'm gonna bring down the

1103
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 1: king Sam Flay, and I'm like, that's great. Regardless I

1104
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 1: was gonna give you some yellow perch. No one's ever

1105
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 1: gonna I mean, yeah, like I see why that's in

1106
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 1: place and think it should be in place. But then

1107
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 1: also like on like a very basic human level, that's

1108
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 1: kind of like you do as a human being, like

1109
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 1: from the beginning of time, Right, it's hard to like toy. Yeah,

1110
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 1: like you said, there's tears of it. It's like all

1111
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 1: of a sudden you're here and it's like, Okay, this

1112
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 1: seems like super meto normal like and then all of

1113
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 1: a sudden, you know, escalates pretty quickly. I say, amongst friends,

1114
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 1: I've never been like, whoa, whoa, nah, give me some

1115
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:22,919
Speaker 1: of that back you can only have. Oh, that's because

1116
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 1: I've never taken it to the like you never say

1117
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 1: to a guy where your body's gonna bring you, say,

1118
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 1: gonna bring you some some white tail meat, and you're

1119
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 1: gonna swap mouth some wallee. I've never seen someone take

1120
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 1: it to be like well how much? How much you

1121
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 1: bring it down? So I'm trying to figure out when

1122
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 1: I go into my freezer, how many my milk jugs

1123
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 1: full of calfish phlats. Yes, I guess I've never seen

1124
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 1: it get abusive, you know, in all the years that

1125
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 1: i've I never have kind of engaged in it, you know,

1126
01:06:56,080 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 1: honest I think, I mean, oh, you've seen it get abusive?

1127
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 1: Well no, I used to make sure laban smirk, You're like,

1128
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 1: you're like an illegal barter. I used to be go on,

1129
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 1: go on. That's when I was living in Colorado and

1130
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 1: in a ski town, you know, and I was whatever,

1131
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 1: making fifteen bucks an hour and um, I'd always have

1132
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 1: a lot of elp meat. So some of the main

1133
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 1: things that I constantly for I don't know, a half

1134
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:35,959
Speaker 1: dozen years, I would barter forward the ski tunes ski

1135
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 1: passes because I had seasons you were buying ski passes

1136
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 1: with elk meat. Well, so anybody that works for the

1137
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 1: mountain gets like, well, you used to be this. It's

1138
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 1: not that way anymore. But back in the day used

1139
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 1: to get to say, I don't know, ten or twenty

1140
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 1: three ski passes, which if you're skiing at Vail or

1141
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 1: be Creek, those were like eighty or a hundred dollars

1142
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 1: value of peace. So if I had friends coming into town,

1143
01:07:57,840 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 1: I didn't have any of those if I wasn't working

1144
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 1: for them out and how you're gonna get them to ski,

1145
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 1: you know, like get them up on the mountain. So yeah,

1146
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 1: so I was very much calculating exactly how much that

1147
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 1: I around was worth because you're you know, you're writing

1148
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 1: it out on little re seats, you know. Um. And

1149
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 1: then I got a few oil changes too, so I

1150
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 1: don't remember time. It's are you now like repentant or

1151
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 1: are you like or? And I would do the same

1152
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 1: thing again. I wouldn't do it again. I mean, now

1153
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 1: I know better fact, and I didn't know. I don't think.

1154
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:39,720
Speaker 1: I don't think any less of you hearing this. They

1155
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 1: probably I'm guessing that they're private a good hunter man

1156
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 1: like playing me for myself and plenty to barter with.

1157
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 1: You know, did you know at the time, did you

1158
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:56,799
Speaker 1: know that it was that you were you were potentially

1159
01:08:56,880 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 1: crossing a while no idea. And I think too if

1160
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 1: you were like coming back from them, if you're going

1161
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 1: to the back door of a butcher's shop and meeting

1162
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:09,680
Speaker 1: something in the back lot saying here, now give me

1163
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:14,680
Speaker 1: your ski passes, that gets to be I think a

1164
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 1: little more questionable just because you know you're on site

1165
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 1: where you know that's their business and cutting up meat.

1166
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 1: Is this something about the um it's a term for

1167
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:27,600
Speaker 1: that where you're in the context the context of it

1168
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 1: where I think when you go back to your apartment

1169
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 1: and it's now buddy the buddy, it's I don't know,

1170
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 1: it's hard to have to get you judge bent from

1171
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 1: for me on that. So especially college kids, you know,

1172
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:42,280
Speaker 1: I can see that you get a citation right, and

1173
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 1: then you're like digging in your freeze. You're like, how

1174
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 1: much does that ticket? Again, you just happen to have

1175
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:57,639
Speaker 1: a couple of tender loins, um, I guess to your point,

1176
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:00,680
Speaker 1: we were having a dinner over at my house the

1177
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 1: other night and uh, you know, get you have buffalo

1178
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 1: skull up there and stuff and which came off a

1179
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 1: private land and I was explaining how, yeah, you know

1180
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:18,439
Speaker 1: the rule is and and uh and we're talking away

1181
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, one one. I have this

1182
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 1: regret where I was guiding in New Mexico and uh,

1183
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:30,560
Speaker 1: I had found this rock that was, you know, the

1184
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:32,639
Speaker 1: size of like a big medicine ball, and it's probably

1185
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 1: a seventy pound rock, but it had uh three uh

1186
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 1: fossilized centipedes in it. It was just incredibly cool. And uh,

1187
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I'm gonna come back and grab that.

1188
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:51,639
Speaker 1: And I had told these folks that I was cooking,

1189
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:56,639
Speaker 1: uh cooking with that. I regretted not grabbing that and said, well, yeah,

1190
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:58,560
Speaker 1: but you just told us that was illegal, and so

1191
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 1: well yeah, but then I didn't know, so it would

1192
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 1: have been fine. Now I can't go back down there

1193
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:07,640
Speaker 1: and pick it up. Yeah, Like I wish I was

1194
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 1: the I wish I was the me that didn't know,

1195
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 1: but see that rock would be sitting next year woodpile

1196
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:15,680
Speaker 1: and you'd look at it every day. Angle, man, I

1197
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 1: gotta get that rock back to where it rightfully belongs. Yeah,

1198
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 1: you'd get caught by dude and you'd have to explain

1199
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:29,639
Speaker 1: that you're actually returning. I know it sounds weird, but hey, Sonny,

1200
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 1: be like, well, I'm actually bringing this rock back to

1201
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 1: your property under the cover of darkness. Should a should

1202
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 1: a single species hunter be taken seriously? It's a good question.

1203
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 1: It's not an apparent question. I never thought of it myself,

1204
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 1: But is there really such a thing. There's definitely that

1205
01:11:53,640 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 1: kind of a single species hunter, single species nobody. It's

1206
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 1: not a real way. Okay, we're a single species a

1207
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 1: hunter or a single species fisherman, say yo, but we

1208
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 1: fished with the guy last night who is very definitely

1209
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:24,560
Speaker 1: a single species fisherman. Okay. Someone wrote in to be

1210
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 1: like I just can't take them seriously, like something must

1211
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:29,719
Speaker 1: be wrong with him. I just think it's kind of cute.

1212
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:35,760
Speaker 1: It's like the dude loves muskies. He's never eaten one.

1213
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 1: He just likes to catch him, and he'll try. He'll

1214
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 1: catch him anywhere they can be found. It's like, I

1215
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 1: don't I like him better than someone that doesn't fish

1216
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 1: at all? No, certainly. So it's like, and that's that's

1217
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 1: the guy that you talk like, you know, I would

1218
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 1: consider like when it comes to like hunting or fishing,

1219
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 1: like like you say, a big in generalist, right, like

1220
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 1: do a lot of different things. But by that I

1221
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 1: should probably wear that t shirt that says like, world's

1222
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 1: okayst hunter, because like, I'm okay at a lot of things.

1223
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 1: But I mean those dudes that specialize like that, man,

1224
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 1: they're great at it, you know. I mean those are

1225
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:10,559
Speaker 1: the guys that you look to from not like when

1226
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 1: you're really trying to sort something out, you know, those

1227
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:14,160
Speaker 1: are the guys you want to talk to. Yeah, you're

1228
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:15,600
Speaker 1: trying to figure out wait till they don't call a

1229
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:18,679
Speaker 1: guys like now and nin hunts a white tail. Yeah,

1230
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 1: so I get it. I get what he's saying by

1231
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 1: thinking that it's goofy, but I disagree with them. I

1232
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 1: fished with a dude who's a really good guy in uh,

1233
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 1: South Dakota, and we were fishing for walleyes, and uh,

1234
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:40,599
Speaker 1: you know, and I am not a walleye. Fisherman at all.

1235
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:44,680
Speaker 1: On Uh, you know, there's some subtlety to it that

1236
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:47,720
Speaker 1: I wasn't really picking up on the fact that they

1237
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 1: they they sort of think about biting rather than biting. Yeah,

1238
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 1: and then you like gingerly pull them up. And he

1239
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 1: just ridiculed me every time I had would either bring

1240
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 1: in a fish that wasn't within the slot limit, or

1241
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:13,639
Speaker 1: I would mention the fact that I liked to fish

1242
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 1: for anything else, and he would go as far as

1243
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:23,880
Speaker 1: to say, that is not a fish, pike, Oh, that's

1244
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 1: not a fish. And I find it very hard to

1245
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:33,640
Speaker 1: believe that there's in this area of the country that

1246
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 1: there's nobody that answered you from the fishing perspective, because

1247
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:43,560
Speaker 1: he made it seem that he was not alone in

1248
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 1: his specificity. For Wally, I'd be I wish we could

1249
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 1: do it somehow where you could say how close to

1250
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 1: that single species are you? Are you like a deer

1251
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 1: hunter and ten percent duck hunter, that kind of things.

1252
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:02,799
Speaker 1: I'd a lot of people in that category, myself included

1253
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:05,640
Speaker 1: where I probably hunt deer when if I were to

1254
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:08,720
Speaker 1: break on my hunting down and put a percentage basis on,

1255
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 1: I think that's probably deer and ten percent elk and

1256
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 1: earlier in life is pricing a five percent deer and

1257
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:19,599
Speaker 1: percent goose or then then that's not counting spring turkey.

1258
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 1: I was thinking about when you have to make decisions

1259
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:24,840
Speaker 1: in the fall, and I saw a survey one time.

1260
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 1: It was actually real scientific survey where they asked deer

1261
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 1: hunters if is there anything else out there that could

1262
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 1: replaced deer hunting if you could no longer do it?

1263
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 1: And it was like about overall, about forty nine percent

1264
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 1: of those deer hunting, About half the deer hunters said

1265
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 1: there's nothing else in my life that could replace deer hunting,

1266
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 1: like for that extent. And then they asked goose hunters

1267
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 1: if you could if is there something else out there

1268
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,800
Speaker 1: that could replace goose hunting if you were cut off

1269
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 1: from it forever, And then thene of it dropped down

1270
01:15:57,240 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 1: to like, I think ten percent or something. They also

1271
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 1: is not a dedicated you know, there's something about I

1272
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 1: would go back to my expression, dear dear make people stupid.

1273
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 1: It's just something that it makes up so much a

1274
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 1: part of you that you just cut off all reason

1275
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:17,640
Speaker 1: and just go with it. I might start a T

1276
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:22,639
Speaker 1: shirt that says, dear make people stupid. Uh. Pat made

1277
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:25,800
Speaker 1: me aware of another good quote their day. It was

1278
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 1: about leadership where he said every ship needs a captain

1279
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:32,840
Speaker 1: and there's no such thing as a co captain, which

1280
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 1: is good. Um, you guys cool on that subject. Okay,

1281
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 1: there's a guy that wants to he's having a kid

1282
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:46,280
Speaker 1: and he wants to know what to name it to

1283
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:49,160
Speaker 1: make extra sure that it's a hunter. And I'll tell

1284
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:52,400
Speaker 1: you what it's not. Hunter. I think a lot of

1285
01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:54,639
Speaker 1: people are just thinking it's as easy as calling them

1286
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:58,479
Speaker 1: hunter and that's gonna get it taken care of. But

1287
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 1: I've been a boatload of hunters that don't hunt the

1288
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:05,000
Speaker 1: name hunter, and I see people go the Mountain Man route.

1289
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 1: Dude likes the hunt a lot, and he's got a

1290
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 1: kid Jedediah or he's got a kid Boom. I don't

1291
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 1: know if that works or not. I name my kid,

1292
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:20,160
Speaker 1: my newest kid. I named him after my brother Matt,

1293
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 1: who likes the hunt more than anybody on the planet. Um,

1294
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 1: no one knows that that that's my game. If you

1295
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 1: hear Matt, you think the dude from the New Testament, right,

1296
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:35,680
Speaker 1: So I don't I don't have a good answer for him.

1297
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 1: All I can say is that when when when we

1298
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 1: were having kids, we picked out the boy's boy's name

1299
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 1: and girl's name, and I, for one kid, I picked

1300
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 1: up the name Bridger. If it's gonna be a son,

1301
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:50,320
Speaker 1: because you wanted the person to be the kid to be.

1302
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 1: Always had this idea that you bring up your kids

1303
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 1: and the culture and teaching them about the Mountain men,

1304
01:17:56,520 --> 01:18:00,120
Speaker 1: that the famous Hunters real people, not fictional care to

1305
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:04,639
Speaker 1: real people. Then, um, just saying, although I had three daughters,

1306
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 1: so anyway to use the boy's name, did you? But

1307
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 1: did you name any of them after the goddess of

1308
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 1: the hunt? Nope, nope, I M smart, but we didn't

1309
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:19,599
Speaker 1: name um Diana, the goddess of the hunt. We did

1310
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:24,400
Speaker 1: name my my third kid Carson. And if it had

1311
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:26,800
Speaker 1: been a boy, if it'd been spelled c A R

1312
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 1: s o N, but she was a girl swinging spelled

1313
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:33,840
Speaker 1: a k A R s y n, and presumably kick Carson,

1314
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 1: kick Carson. And just because I like history, I like

1315
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:39,560
Speaker 1: all the all that kind of stuff. But um, you

1316
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:42,880
Speaker 1: don't know though names are important. I really I'm big

1317
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:46,559
Speaker 1: on names, and I evaluate people by what name their kids.

1318
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:54,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, man, I don't take your kid's names. Well,

1319
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:57,720
Speaker 1: the touch basically, it takes a little while for you

1320
01:18:57,720 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 1: need to figure it out. You can't be like all

1321
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 1: the people. Okay, go ahead. No, you don't want to

1322
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 1: put them on the spot. No, put him on the spot.

1323
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:06,000
Speaker 1: I mean because what if he has to judge people

1324
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:08,920
Speaker 1: out here in the audience. Oh, because they might have

1325
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 1: the same name and my daughter jump me afterward? Yeah,

1326
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 1: beat pass ass or some name is alright? Sorry, bad idea?

1327
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:22,760
Speaker 1: Go ahead, I don't care on this doesn't matter. I'm

1328
01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:29,320
Speaker 1: not doing it. Pat, blood will be on my hand.

1329
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 1: Let's give it. I will tell you you may want

1330
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 1: to avoid naming your kid Cal. I've had a couple

1331
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:42,320
Speaker 1: of friends go down that route and turns out there

1332
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 1: a little too much outlaw on that name. Is that right?

1333
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 1: Spins them off in a wild direction, on themselves on

1334
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:51,759
Speaker 1: the wrong saddle off you too many times? Maybe already

1335
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 1: h question for you, though, Pat, You've got three daughters.

1336
01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 1: One likes to hunt more than the other ones. Right,

1337
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 1: definitely was it Carson? No, it is Leah, Leah, my

1338
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:06,680
Speaker 1: very first daughter. Um, this is this is one thing

1339
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 1: if you ever want to get insights into how kids

1340
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 1: think and who will be the hunter I took. I

1341
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:14,519
Speaker 1: took all three of my daughters. I started them hunting

1342
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:16,840
Speaker 1: at about age three. Take them along. I used to

1343
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 1: have a well we still have their wagon, their little

1344
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:21,599
Speaker 1: red wagon. I was called the a t V. I'd

1345
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:23,559
Speaker 1: put them in the red wagon and pull them out

1346
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:28,280
Speaker 1: goose hunting. And Leah not kidney. By age three, she

1347
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:33,160
Speaker 1: she understood the goose music when she get her geese coming,

1348
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:35,759
Speaker 1: and her little head to just turn and start tracking.

1349
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 1: And I watched because she had really good hearing, and

1350
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:41,640
Speaker 1: I watched her um. And then when the when the

1351
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:43,600
Speaker 1: geese started to come in, and you know how they

1352
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:46,800
Speaker 1: come in to setting their wings and tilting back and forth,

1353
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 1: she just watched like a like a like a retriever,

1354
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:52,719
Speaker 1: watched those beasts until I shot. And then I'm gonna

1355
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:54,599
Speaker 1: be happy if and if I missed, you know, she's

1356
01:20:54,880 --> 01:21:01,479
Speaker 1: just gonna stare at me. But then what what But

1357
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:04,519
Speaker 1: it was really what was really instructive, you guys, is

1358
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 1: um as still as the other girls came along. Then

1359
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:11,040
Speaker 1: behind her, I take all three of mouth goose hunting,

1360
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 1: and oh, garden is a coming in and all those

1361
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:18,240
Speaker 1: all that honking, all that noise, and they're you know

1362
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:22,040
Speaker 1: they're gonna set and setting your decoys. You finally come

1363
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 1: up and you raise a gun and I look over

1364
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 1: and Lee is watching the geese. There two are like this.

1365
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:30,840
Speaker 1: They got their heads heads down and ears covered up.

1366
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 1: And all I could think was before I shot, they

1367
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:41,880
Speaker 1: aren't going to be hunters, you know, And they weren't. No, no, no, no.

1368
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:44,639
Speaker 1: That that that's the That's the fun thing about parenting.

1369
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:49,040
Speaker 1: You really learn each one of those charms. I love it.

1370
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:54,200
Speaker 1: I it's fun now as a as a grandparent to see, Um,

1371
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:56,720
Speaker 1: what's it's sad to them because as a girls started

1372
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:59,439
Speaker 1: having kids, you can't spend the kind of time hunting

1373
01:21:59,479 --> 01:22:02,120
Speaker 1: and fishing them as you did. Because like as time

1374
01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:05,960
Speaker 1: went on, Um Leah and Leah always hunted and fished

1375
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:08,920
Speaker 1: Ellie where they would not want to get out of

1376
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 1: bed to go fishing. But once she's on the lake

1377
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:15,519
Speaker 1: after breakfast, she fished. All data is fine, our youngest one.

1378
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:18,680
Speaker 1: We're sitting the back of the boat, read cut up

1379
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:22,599
Speaker 1: the worms. She'd do anything besides fish. And then now

1380
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:25,840
Speaker 1: as an adult though, she just finished her master's degree,

1381
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:28,600
Speaker 1: and I found it very interesting. Her master's degree in

1382
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:32,599
Speaker 1: English was all based around the outdoors and getting back

1383
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 1: into the outdoors as an adult. And so now I think,

1384
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:39,680
Speaker 1: as she's not having kids and go fishing with me,

1385
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:42,800
Speaker 1: I find that really cool. You can she's the one

1386
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:48,840
Speaker 1: named Carson, where I think, yeah, yeah, thank you. It

1387
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:55,479
Speaker 1: takes great the name Carson takes gradual effect. Um. The

1388
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:59,559
Speaker 1: thing I've been thinking about with kids lately, like kind

1389
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 1: of like with with the way exposing them to the

1390
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:07,080
Speaker 1: outdoors as helping as I've been having this debate now

1391
01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:09,799
Speaker 1: that my wife about like teaching them use a hatchet

1392
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:13,160
Speaker 1: right to cut kindling. If you come out the yard

1393
01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:17,639
Speaker 1: and there's a five year old with a hatchet, one

1394
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 1: might question what's going on here. So but a way

1395
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 1: that I want up selling it my wife and I've

1396
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:26,960
Speaker 1: used as a couple of times now as I'm like,

1397
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:32,600
Speaker 1: I'm trying to introduce them too, sort of in arena

1398
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:37,479
Speaker 1: of consequence, and I find that that these sorts of

1399
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 1: activities are a way to bring people in. We're to

1400
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:43,599
Speaker 1: bring people in a fun way, but we're decisions matter

1401
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:48,120
Speaker 1: right where there's right ways and wrong ways to do things,

1402
01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:51,519
Speaker 1: and there's difficult questions to wrestle with, like why do

1403
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:55,040
Speaker 1: we eat dear? But not unicorns, right, And it winds

1404
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:57,120
Speaker 1: up being that it's like, it's just this thing of you.

1405
01:23:57,240 --> 01:23:59,600
Speaker 1: You're introducing this world where, yes, you can, this is

1406
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 1: a world in which one can be gravely injured if

1407
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 1: one doesn't learn how to master certain skills, where you

1408
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:10,120
Speaker 1: will come up empty handed if things aren't done this way,

1409
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:13,679
Speaker 1: where there's this morality at play in life and death

1410
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:17,519
Speaker 1: is struggling out, it just winds up being really helpful.

1411
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:19,960
Speaker 1: I think that it could be that you could raise

1412
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:21,760
Speaker 1: you can. You can start off like trying to raise

1413
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:24,920
Speaker 1: outdoor kids with outdoor sensibility and have them go off

1414
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:27,400
Speaker 1: and not be interested at all, And you'd be tempted

1415
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 1: to look and be like, oh, I wasted my time.

1416
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:32,200
Speaker 1: But perhaps not, because when you color with your kid

1417
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 1: and your kid doesn't wind up being a professional colorer,

1418
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 1: you're not bummed that you like, you're not bummed that

1419
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:41,640
Speaker 1: you colored with them all the time, waste all the

1420
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:47,559
Speaker 1: time color and sunshines, you know, it's like no one

1421
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:49,840
Speaker 1: ever looks at that that way, so I do. But

1422
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 1: but yeah, I feel like I'm like setting them up

1423
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:55,479
Speaker 1: to be cool people to hang out with, when maybe

1424
01:24:55,520 --> 01:25:00,240
Speaker 1: it's just there's value in nothing else, if nothing else,

1425
01:25:00,280 --> 01:25:03,680
Speaker 1: they will grow up into adults. And my kids all

1426
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:07,599
Speaker 1: still like getting elk from me, dear from me, fish

1427
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 1: from me. They want they want that to be brought

1428
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:12,400
Speaker 1: into the house and then they share it with us.

1429
01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:15,000
Speaker 1: I mean we share it with them, and to me

1430
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:17,280
Speaker 1: that that's what's important to get them into that culture,

1431
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:20,759
Speaker 1: but at least understand it. And when they can interact

1432
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:23,719
Speaker 1: with their coal workers and they get talking about these things,

1433
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:27,400
Speaker 1: there's someone in the office who can talk real intelligently

1434
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 1: about the hunting lifestyle. And they grew up in a

1435
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 1: house where that's where we ate the most part, and

1436
01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:34,600
Speaker 1: so I think that has great value. And because my

1437
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 1: kids didn't grow up out of the house and then go,

1438
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:38,479
Speaker 1: oh dumb with that dumb son of a bitch, he's

1439
01:25:38,479 --> 01:25:40,040
Speaker 1: out of here. You know, they grew up in the

1440
01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:42,840
Speaker 1: they embraced the way they grew up, you know. So

1441
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:45,800
Speaker 1: I think that's just great. Anything you can do with

1442
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:48,679
Speaker 1: your kids that get small indoors eating the fish, learning

1443
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:53,600
Speaker 1: how to prepare itish well. You know, like we were

1444
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:58,479
Speaker 1: talking earlier today about the things that kids see, you

1445
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 1: know that could you know, make the hair snap the

1446
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 1: back of your neck, and they handle it this fine.

1447
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:05,720
Speaker 1: I think so often we baby kids and make make

1448
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:08,280
Speaker 1: they think you were telling each other that, oh, you

1449
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 1: can expose into that. And people worry about seeing a

1450
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:12,840
Speaker 1: dead dur in the back of a car, and I think, well,

1451
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 1: there's somebody just went by with a full load of hogs.

1452
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 1: Where do you think they're going. You're talking to your

1453
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:21,360
Speaker 1: kids about those kind of things, and make them understand that, yeah,

1454
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:24,080
Speaker 1: a lot there is dead, but tomorrow all those hogs

1455
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:27,080
Speaker 1: they won't be here anymore either, and make them I

1456
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 1: think those are opportunities for people to talk to kids

1457
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:41,760
Speaker 1: and explain things to them. That's my thought. Marfa. You uh, Mart,

1458
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:43,599
Speaker 1: do you feel like you guys are throwing some outdoors

1459
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:46,599
Speaker 1: some outdoors women or no? Yeah, I think so. I mean,

1460
01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:49,680
Speaker 1: we didn't put any thought into their names, but I

1461
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:52,760
Speaker 1: do put some thought. I mean put the thought in

1462
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:54,599
Speaker 1: their names, but not in that regard. You know. I figured,

1463
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully we'll introd do them to the outdoors

1464
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:59,760
Speaker 1: and yeah, expose them, expose them those things. Actually, one

1465
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:03,120
Speaker 1: of my daughters, Mara, which is kind of a unique name,

1466
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:08,720
Speaker 1: is has the same name as your sister, which is

1467
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:11,639
Speaker 1: kind of cool. But but yeah, I mean you talk

1468
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 1: about an arena of consequence um our oldest Yuh, it's

1469
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:18,280
Speaker 1: pretty much a darribed devil. So she pretty much puts

1470
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:23,479
Speaker 1: herself in arena of consequence constantly. Yeah. But and that's

1471
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 1: one thing that I had to learn, was like I

1472
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:26,439
Speaker 1: just kind of let her do it. Now. It's like

1473
01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:28,360
Speaker 1: you want to climb to the top, all right sorted out?

1474
01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:30,080
Speaker 1: You know, if you fall down, you fall down, you know.

1475
01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 1: And like what Pat said, I mean, I think we

1476
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 1: don't give kids credit for what they're capable of doing

1477
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:41,479
Speaker 1: or oftentimes understanding or comprehending or you know you And

1478
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 1: I've thought about this myself as far as like exposing

1479
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:46,920
Speaker 1: them to the hunting or death and are they ready

1480
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:48,880
Speaker 1: for it? And we're even chatting but a little bit

1481
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:50,280
Speaker 1: about that earlier and then. And the fact of the

1482
01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:52,600
Speaker 1: matter is those those are normal things. I mean, that

1483
01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:56,280
Speaker 1: is that is that is happens all day every day.

1484
01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:59,080
Speaker 1: And I think the sooner you realize that and accept it,

1485
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:02,479
Speaker 1: you know, the better if you're gonna be so. But yeah,

1486
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:04,080
Speaker 1: but anyway to answer, I'll go further than that to

1487
01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:06,400
Speaker 1: answer your questions. So we have been doing some uh

1488
01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:10,599
Speaker 1: some nature walks, so uh, the girls like to find

1489
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:13,120
Speaker 1: find the deer walks. They like to look for rubs.

1490
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:17,120
Speaker 1: Been picking some mulberries, been catching a lot of blue

1491
01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 1: gills lately. The kids absolutely lose their mind when they

1492
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 1: have a fish on there. I think it's just it's

1493
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:24,760
Speaker 1: it's one of the most amazing things to watch. It's

1494
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:28,639
Speaker 1: like watching electricity shoot through their body. And I love

1495
01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:34,400
Speaker 1: its speaking electricity. You guys can answer this. My kids

1496
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:38,320
Speaker 1: when they're small, most fascinated them and go scouting. Was

1497
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:42,920
Speaker 1: was dear dear turds, bear bear coop Anthony came out

1498
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:45,720
Speaker 1: of an animal. They had to go and check it

1499
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:49,519
Speaker 1: out and ask questions about we're walking through the woods. Uh.

1500
01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:52,080
Speaker 1: I was out and we were looking for squirrels with

1501
01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:54,880
Speaker 1: their uncle Matt, and I turned around and my daughter

1502
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:59,840
Speaker 1: was four, she was three or four, and she had

1503
01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:05,479
Speaker 1: a mouthful of deer droppings because we had apparently picked

1504
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:07,280
Speaker 1: them up and talked about it, and she got the

1505
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:12,160
Speaker 1: wrong like picked out the wrong detail about what we

1506
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:15,160
Speaker 1: were saying about it. And she's like, and I realized

1507
01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:21,280
Speaker 1: that she hadn't shoot up a deer dropping but yeah,

1508
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:22,960
Speaker 1: one of my favorite But you know what it's like,

1509
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:25,600
Speaker 1: this whole reflection of yourself thing right, and and so

1510
01:29:26,200 --> 01:29:28,519
Speaker 1: I think that you could get The risk would be

1511
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:31,200
Speaker 1: that you get overly invested in the idea that you're

1512
01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 1: gonna make them, that they're gonna be a version like

1513
01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:40,519
Speaker 1: this version of yourself that you wish was the one

1514
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:43,560
Speaker 1: that was true somehow. Like I have a picture of

1515
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:46,439
Speaker 1: my little boy when he was so my eight year old,

1516
01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:48,639
Speaker 1: when he was five. It's like a picture of him

1517
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:52,800
Speaker 1: nothing on but his underwear, cocked back with a sling

1518
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:54,880
Speaker 1: shot and there's a black bear standing right in front

1519
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:57,400
Speaker 1: of him up at our fish sh act And like

1520
01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:02,040
Speaker 1: I like that picture, probably because you're you're doing some

1521
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:07,000
Speaker 1: game where you're like, you know, you're sort of saying

1522
01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:10,080
Speaker 1: like this it's this representative it's this literal representation of

1523
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:12,880
Speaker 1: you where it's like half of your you know, genetic input.

1524
01:30:13,240 --> 01:30:15,200
Speaker 1: But you wind up like trying to isolate these moments

1525
01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:17,840
Speaker 1: and find these moments where this thing that you wish

1526
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:19,880
Speaker 1: was true about you. And I think it could set

1527
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:21,880
Speaker 1: kids up for failure in a way in your mind

1528
01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:24,360
Speaker 1: if you have these huge expectations, like people will ask me, like,

1529
01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:26,000
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do if your kids don't like

1530
01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:34,040
Speaker 1: to hunt like you do? Probably like him, probably won't

1531
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 1: hang out that much on the subject of families. Dude

1532
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:46,360
Speaker 1: from Michigan, he's an engineer by training, and he's going

1533
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:50,160
Speaker 1: out to Idaho. All people should go hunt Idaho, right

1534
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:54,160
Speaker 1: count he's going out. He's going out to Idaho, and

1535
01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:56,559
Speaker 1: he's wanting to know what can I tell my wife?

1536
01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:58,479
Speaker 1: And he's going out by himself. So he's doing a

1537
01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:04,600
Speaker 1: solo wilderness hunt. What can I tell my wife that

1538
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 1: will make her stop worrying? You can rest assured he's

1539
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:16,519
Speaker 1: got the smallest details worked out. Yeah, the little bit,

1540
01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:19,960
Speaker 1: the little engineering bits worked out. I think the thing

1541
01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:23,160
Speaker 1: he could tell her is he could say I've arrived,

1542
01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:26,839
Speaker 1: because it's more dangerous to drive to your hunting location

1543
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:30,719
Speaker 1: than it is the hunt I've done. I've done solo

1544
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:35,639
Speaker 1: hunts like that, and I I think just makes sense. Anywhere.

1545
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:39,200
Speaker 1: I carry one of those personal located beacons that you

1546
01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:41,840
Speaker 1: know you can Basically you have flip one switch hut

1547
01:31:41,960 --> 01:31:45,760
Speaker 1: and it sends a beam up to the satellite and

1548
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:47,760
Speaker 1: next thing you know, but they always tell you that

1549
01:31:48,040 --> 01:31:50,040
Speaker 1: when you hit that switch, you better be in trouble

1550
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:52,960
Speaker 1: because they are sending help. And it also you can

1551
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:58,160
Speaker 1: also do pre program texts every day say everything you

1552
01:31:58,280 --> 01:32:00,439
Speaker 1: just said it, So it just does that no matter what. Yeah,

1553
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:05,479
Speaker 1: three years later, she's still getting Yeah, some bits still okay.

1554
01:32:08,760 --> 01:32:12,360
Speaker 1: But you know, in these days too, it's often the case,

1555
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:15,599
Speaker 1: even where I hunt out west, um, where you get

1556
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:18,600
Speaker 1: up on the mountaintop once a day or whatever might be.

1557
01:32:19,439 --> 01:32:21,560
Speaker 1: I'm not on the phone in everyday people as I

1558
01:32:21,640 --> 01:32:23,880
Speaker 1: have to be though. I just my wife and I

1559
01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:28,040
Speaker 1: just don't need that constant reassurance. But I think it

1560
01:32:28,200 --> 01:32:30,360
Speaker 1: is good to have cell phone communication if you can,

1561
01:32:30,479 --> 01:32:32,599
Speaker 1: if you can arrange it to where she knows you're

1562
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:35,920
Speaker 1: there every day. But I'm like you, I always think

1563
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:38,800
Speaker 1: the odds of getting hurt on that one week or

1564
01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:42,439
Speaker 1: two weeks out there out west, compared to the daily

1565
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:45,800
Speaker 1: risk of routine risk you run by driving to work,

1566
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:48,920
Speaker 1: all those kind of things falling down the back stairs,

1567
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:52,559
Speaker 1: all the crazy things that happen to people in life.

1568
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:55,200
Speaker 1: One are the odds that the bad things that happened

1569
01:32:55,200 --> 01:32:57,560
Speaker 1: to you during that one time out there. Now I

1570
01:32:57,840 --> 01:32:59,680
Speaker 1: could see I'd be a lot more worried if if

1571
01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 1: this is the guy who is going out off the

1572
01:33:02,240 --> 01:33:04,760
Speaker 1: coast of Alaska in a boat every day for two

1573
01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:10,639
Speaker 1: weeks to himself. But on land, yeah, I I feel

1574
01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:13,679
Speaker 1: like you should do some safeguards over she'll never stop

1575
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:16,880
Speaker 1: worrying completely, and she'll never stop worrying until you're back home.

1576
01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 1: But I I found like last year, I had a

1577
01:33:20,439 --> 01:33:23,440
Speaker 1: guy bell on me. I was hunting up in Arizona.

1578
01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:26,400
Speaker 1: Right before I was leaving from my hunt, my buddy

1579
01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:27,960
Speaker 1: billed on me. So I was gonna be going out

1580
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:31,080
Speaker 1: there by myself. But luckily Randy Newberg happened to be

1581
01:33:31,160 --> 01:33:35,800
Speaker 1: hunting the same area. So I email Randy and said, hey,

1582
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:38,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be hunting this you know nine I hear

1583
01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:40,320
Speaker 1: you know. I knew you're gonna be there too. Could

1584
01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:42,640
Speaker 1: just be my emergency backup in case Penny has to

1585
01:33:42,680 --> 01:33:44,880
Speaker 1: reach me and you can't reach me. I'll tell you

1586
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:46,880
Speaker 1: where I'm parked, you know, give him a GPS. You know,

1587
01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:49,080
Speaker 1: I worked out fine. There's always things you can do

1588
01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:53,760
Speaker 1: to at least to maintain a link somehow, And that

1589
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:57,799
Speaker 1: the link, though, is important, just that satisfaction or knowledge

1590
01:33:57,840 --> 01:33:59,880
Speaker 1: that they know where you are, that you're okay. I

1591
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:05,120
Speaker 1: think that that where I'm gonna be, where I'm parking

1592
01:34:05,200 --> 01:34:08,320
Speaker 1: my vehicle, and I think another thing that's helpful is

1593
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:11,800
Speaker 1: if I'm not back by this day, something's definitely not right.

1594
01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:18,240
Speaker 1: It's helpful for people. And then the beacons. I bought

1595
01:34:18,280 --> 01:34:20,320
Speaker 1: one of those beacons for an Alaska hunt. But now

1596
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:23,280
Speaker 1: like I packed when I go tree stand hunting by myself,

1597
01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:25,640
Speaker 1: like until I keep that in my pack every time too,

1598
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:27,200
Speaker 1: because I'm like getting though out of the stand you

1599
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:29,840
Speaker 1: might not have self reception. Well yeah, fall stand, you

1600
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:34,280
Speaker 1: got an arrow through your gut, hopefully not like you're sleeved.

1601
01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:43,080
Speaker 1: That's not a problem anymore. I'm clear. I want to

1602
01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:49,280
Speaker 1: hit one more, two more, say the same. Dude is

1603
01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:54,519
Speaker 1: always wondering, Um, when is it? When should you bring

1604
01:34:56,600 --> 01:35:01,200
Speaker 1: a spotting scope? When you factor in or weight issue?

1605
01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:11,400
Speaker 1: First off, you need seven spotting scopes maybe eight? Um.

1606
01:35:13,240 --> 01:35:16,800
Speaker 1: I think it just depends. It depends on the right mark.

1607
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:21,120
Speaker 1: I mean, well actually, I mean, yeah, fifteens or twelves.

1608
01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:23,960
Speaker 1: It depends on the hunt though, like open landscape hunt,

1609
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:27,280
Speaker 1: or if you are going to be doing a lot

1610
01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:29,880
Speaker 1: of vehicle scouting. I mean then you're not really packing anyway.

1611
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:31,800
Speaker 1: But you know, if you're talking about packing it, I

1612
01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:34,800
Speaker 1: think it depends on the hunt. It depends on you know,

1613
01:35:35,479 --> 01:35:40,240
Speaker 1: how you know what a what a person is looking

1614
01:35:40,280 --> 01:35:41,840
Speaker 1: to find. You know, if you're just looking to find

1615
01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:45,240
Speaker 1: a deer or locate something, then you know, maybe your

1616
01:35:45,320 --> 01:35:46,840
Speaker 1: vinal will get you through. But if you're you know,

1617
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:48,720
Speaker 1: trying to be a little bit more discerning, or you're

1618
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:50,680
Speaker 1: on a sheep hunt where you know, maybe you are

1619
01:35:50,840 --> 01:35:52,920
Speaker 1: really really trying to pick apart. Is this a full

1620
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:56,439
Speaker 1: coral ram? You know, I think I'd let the hunt

1621
01:35:56,479 --> 01:35:59,080
Speaker 1: dictate it. But they're definitely handy, you know, and I wouldn't.

1622
01:35:59,080 --> 01:36:01,760
Speaker 1: I wouldn't rule him out for the Midwest either, because

1623
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:03,679
Speaker 1: you can do a lot of really good long distance

1624
01:36:03,680 --> 01:36:07,479
Speaker 1: scouting around here without being intrusive on you know, an

1625
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:09,960
Speaker 1: area that you want to hunt. Yeah. Yeah. Are you

1626
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:13,040
Speaker 1: so honest? Have you ever you when you get a

1627
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:15,240
Speaker 1: call at Bortex? Are you so honest that you've ever

1628
01:36:15,320 --> 01:36:20,320
Speaker 1: said talk someone out of buying a product? Like means

1629
01:36:20,360 --> 01:36:22,639
Speaker 1: you're honest? No? Yeah, I would. I definitely had point

1630
01:36:22,680 --> 01:36:24,439
Speaker 1: a person that I mean, you need to set a

1631
01:36:24,479 --> 01:36:28,360
Speaker 1: binos and absolutely, yeah. I mean that's just like I'll

1632
01:36:28,439 --> 01:36:30,040
Speaker 1: never I'll never say that you don't need to set

1633
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:32,000
Speaker 1: a binos. But you know, if your rifle hunting, you know,

1634
01:36:32,120 --> 01:36:33,760
Speaker 1: seeing it a rifle scope too, But I mean I

1635
01:36:33,880 --> 01:36:36,960
Speaker 1: think this was binoculars. I mean I just bring binoculars

1636
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:38,920
Speaker 1: around with me all the time, you know, when I

1637
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:41,160
Speaker 1: will I do anything outside, Like I get if I

1638
01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:44,600
Speaker 1: forget my binoculars, which happens occasionally or actually oftentimes I

1639
01:36:44,720 --> 01:36:46,280
Speaker 1: drive to work and sometimes I don't have in my

1640
01:36:46,320 --> 01:36:47,720
Speaker 1: truck and I see you on the way to work.

1641
01:36:47,720 --> 01:36:49,680
Speaker 1: Then I get, I get super annoyed because I'm like

1642
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:53,760
Speaker 1: my first my first instincts like, yeah, you know, I

1643
01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:55,840
Speaker 1: did it to myself. I want to get like on

1644
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:58,320
Speaker 1: the spotting scope thing. Um you know there, what's like

1645
01:36:58,439 --> 01:37:00,960
Speaker 1: what's the razor sixty five way? Do people know what

1646
01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:06,280
Speaker 1: we're talking about? Approximately about three pounds? So when you

1647
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:08,640
Speaker 1: when you got like when you got people and I

1648
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:10,920
Speaker 1: used to do this where you're actually cutting your toothbrush

1649
01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:14,599
Speaker 1: handle in half in the interest of reducing pack weight.

1650
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:18,240
Speaker 1: Three pounds is a big deal. But if it's if

1651
01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:21,400
Speaker 1: it's any kind of hunting where there's any sort of

1652
01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:29,080
Speaker 1: legal antler restriction, so will be like identifying growth rings

1653
01:37:29,680 --> 01:37:32,040
Speaker 1: on a sheet because he's got to have a minimum age,

1654
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:36,759
Speaker 1: or whether or not it describes the sixty degree circle

1655
01:37:37,439 --> 01:37:40,560
Speaker 1: that for sure, Like with moose, it needs to have

1656
01:37:40,920 --> 01:37:42,519
Speaker 1: if it you're in a unit that where the thing

1657
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:46,360
Speaker 1: has to have four brow times that level of detail,

1658
01:37:46,680 --> 01:37:50,840
Speaker 1: or it's that you have a personal goal of like

1659
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:56,439
Speaker 1: identifying a X, like a big, huge, giant one. Um.

1660
01:37:57,040 --> 01:37:59,600
Speaker 1: I find that it's helpful, but also I just like

1661
01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:02,240
Speaker 1: to have I like to look at stuff, so I'll

1662
01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:05,800
Speaker 1: cut the handle off a toothbrush safe, but then also

1663
01:38:05,880 --> 01:38:09,639
Speaker 1: just stick the three pound tripod or the three pound

1664
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:14,240
Speaker 1: spotting scope and then a tripod because I just like

1665
01:38:14,360 --> 01:38:16,439
Speaker 1: to look around. Like when I factor in, like the

1666
01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:20,639
Speaker 1: comfort of having a light pack juxtapoles with the comfort

1667
01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:23,439
Speaker 1: of you know, look really carefully at things in the

1668
01:38:23,560 --> 01:38:26,960
Speaker 1: natural world that are far away, I'm just gonna lean

1669
01:38:27,040 --> 01:38:29,240
Speaker 1: in that direction well totally, and then you gotta look

1670
01:38:29,240 --> 01:38:30,920
Speaker 1: at what it's what it could be saving you too,

1671
01:38:31,120 --> 01:38:33,040
Speaker 1: right Like it's like, okay, I've tott it this three

1672
01:38:33,080 --> 01:38:35,160
Speaker 1: pounds or you know, give or take up the mountain,

1673
01:38:35,160 --> 01:38:37,479
Speaker 1: and yeah, it took some space in my pack, but

1674
01:38:37,880 --> 01:38:42,360
Speaker 1: it could also be saving you several miles of walking

1675
01:38:42,520 --> 01:38:44,880
Speaker 1: per day. So you know, you're kind of like weighing

1676
01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:48,160
Speaker 1: those two things. And I mean, my opinions huge asset.

1677
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:57,120
Speaker 1: So this feller, the idahole feller, should um uh tell

1678
01:38:57,200 --> 01:39:01,080
Speaker 1: his wife the do or die day. He's gonna be

1679
01:39:01,160 --> 01:39:06,599
Speaker 1: back and probably bring a spot scope. That's it. One

1680
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:08,639
Speaker 1: last one. I think we got time for one last one.

1681
01:39:09,040 --> 01:39:14,519
Speaker 1: Um guy rode in. He's out turkey hunting, and lo

1682
01:39:14,680 --> 01:39:17,519
Speaker 1: and behold he's turkey hunting another guy and he's a

1683
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:19,760
Speaker 1: new hunter, and our guy's a season hunter, and lo

1684
01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:22,200
Speaker 1: and behold they're calling in and here comes two times

1685
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:26,360
Speaker 1: coming at him and his hunting partners like, we're gonna

1686
01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:33,240
Speaker 1: do the old one too. Three okay, I'll count, and

1687
01:39:33,320 --> 01:39:36,160
Speaker 1: he says that things are coming. They get close and

1688
01:39:36,240 --> 01:39:43,400
Speaker 1: he goes one, two and and then the other bird

1689
01:39:43,439 --> 01:39:47,439
Speaker 1: flies away. And later the guy is like, what's up?

1690
01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:52,160
Speaker 1: He says, well, everyone knows you don't say three, you

1691
01:39:52,240 --> 01:40:00,240
Speaker 1: shoot on him three, but I feel that you shoot

1692
01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:09,559
Speaker 1: down three just after three, right, you'd be like, that's

1693
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:11,640
Speaker 1: what I'm saying without playing it out. How do you

1694
01:40:11,720 --> 01:40:14,560
Speaker 1: make it work? I remember, like I remember some of

1695
01:40:14,600 --> 01:40:17,360
Speaker 1: my my late friend Eric Kern, and we're laying down

1696
01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:20,160
Speaker 1: calling us. Some turkeys kind of bosted us, but Kains didn't,

1697
01:40:20,720 --> 01:40:22,400
Speaker 1: and we're calling and he wants to do the old

1698
01:40:22,439 --> 01:40:25,120
Speaker 1: one to three, like the old double up, which usually

1699
01:40:25,160 --> 01:40:30,360
Speaker 1: means no one gets anything. And so we're lined up

1700
01:40:30,400 --> 01:40:31,880
Speaker 1: and I'm waiting for him to do the count, and

1701
01:40:31,920 --> 01:40:35,640
Speaker 1: pretty soon we got hands past us, you know, and

1702
01:40:35,720 --> 01:40:38,800
Speaker 1: he never does the count, and we realized we never

1703
01:40:38,920 --> 01:40:43,160
Speaker 1: clarified the rule even who was it just haven't fast.

1704
01:40:43,240 --> 01:40:49,400
Speaker 1: We missed a chance. But I feel like you'd say, um, one, two,

1705
01:40:50,160 --> 01:40:55,960
Speaker 1: three on what would have been the four? Does that

1706
01:40:56,040 --> 01:40:58,280
Speaker 1: make any sense? I would? I think I would agree

1707
01:40:58,320 --> 01:41:00,200
Speaker 1: with I think that is what I would anticipate eight

1708
01:41:00,800 --> 01:41:04,120
Speaker 1: in the heat of battle of trying to coordinate. Yeah,

1709
01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:08,000
Speaker 1: I think that this dude he was hunting with intentionally

1710
01:41:08,479 --> 01:41:12,160
Speaker 1: screwed There's no doubt in my mind that that dude

1711
01:41:12,200 --> 01:41:16,720
Speaker 1: intentionally screwed him over. He got the counting, and then

1712
01:41:16,760 --> 01:41:20,599
Speaker 1: he's like, you know, what if he goes what if

1713
01:41:20,680 --> 01:41:24,120
Speaker 1: he his read on this is he's gonna blouch before

1714
01:41:24,200 --> 01:41:27,280
Speaker 1: I blouch. And he made a judgment called the last

1715
01:41:27,320 --> 01:41:30,479
Speaker 1: second just to shoot game hog and then later tried

1716
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:33,760
Speaker 1: to cover his tracks. It had better long I've only

1717
01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:35,479
Speaker 1: done it in a couple of times, but it seems

1718
01:41:35,640 --> 01:41:39,000
Speaker 1: it worked where we just both said yes, we have

1719
01:41:40,040 --> 01:41:45,240
Speaker 1: the animal in our site you shoot for, so you

1720
01:41:45,320 --> 01:41:48,080
Speaker 1: sort of can let the animal you're about it. Whoever's

1721
01:41:48,080 --> 01:41:51,400
Speaker 1: gonna shoot second, can let the animal react to that shot,

1722
01:41:51,479 --> 01:41:54,080
Speaker 1: whatever it might be. And you're not gonna be startled

1723
01:41:54,160 --> 01:41:58,599
Speaker 1: by the shot of your body and then take a shot. Yeah,

1724
01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:00,880
Speaker 1: because the most animals, I don't think in that like

1725
01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:03,439
Speaker 1: split second that's gonna take for you to you know,

1726
01:42:03,640 --> 01:42:06,880
Speaker 1: reacquire the target by slightly moving your gun. It's not

1727
01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:09,519
Speaker 1: like they're just gone. I also feel like it's difficult

1728
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:11,600
Speaker 1: to get a good trigger squeeze when you're trying to

1729
01:42:11,720 --> 01:42:16,640
Speaker 1: like you know that that's that's the solution. We've hit

1730
01:42:16,680 --> 01:42:18,680
Speaker 1: on it, like a version. What you're saying is like no, no, no, no,

1731
01:42:18,920 --> 01:42:21,959
Speaker 1: just do your thing. I'm ready if it works out afterward,

1732
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:26,839
Speaker 1: it works out afterwards. But hunting elk with Remy recently

1733
01:42:27,800 --> 01:42:31,640
Speaker 1: where he was really eager to try to do the

1734
01:42:31,720 --> 01:42:37,920
Speaker 1: old three and I was like, let's just you just

1735
01:42:38,040 --> 01:42:40,760
Speaker 1: get your situation squared away here and we'll see if

1736
01:42:40,760 --> 01:42:45,040
Speaker 1: I can pick up some sloppy seconds right which didn't

1737
01:42:45,080 --> 01:42:46,760
Speaker 1: work out. But have we tried to do the one too,

1738
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:56,680
Speaker 1: threes wouldn't happen. Communication is is the the main takeaway

1739
01:42:56,760 --> 01:43:05,240
Speaker 1: here right right? This buddy mine read Dixon, and I

1740
01:43:05,360 --> 01:43:08,360
Speaker 1: just bumped into and Denver earlier in the week. He uh,

1741
01:43:09,560 --> 01:43:13,200
Speaker 1: we were out for his very first turkey hunt. It

1742
01:43:13,360 --> 01:43:17,679
Speaker 1: was actually on his ranch in Oregon. And I still

1743
01:43:17,880 --> 01:43:20,960
Speaker 1: take a little bit heat for this, But the communication

1744
01:43:21,120 --> 01:43:24,400
Speaker 1: was very clear for the first half of things, not

1745
01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:27,280
Speaker 1: so clear for the second half of things. They were

1746
01:43:27,360 --> 01:43:33,640
Speaker 1: calling birds and these two Jake's are coming in and

1747
01:43:34,200 --> 01:43:37,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, you take the one on the left,

1748
01:43:37,479 --> 01:43:40,200
Speaker 1: I'll take the one on the right. I'm gonna shoot

1749
01:43:40,360 --> 01:43:42,960
Speaker 1: as soon as you shoot, So no one to three right,

1750
01:43:44,400 --> 01:43:49,519
Speaker 1: and so it's gonna be like bus bout yes, when

1751
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:57,879
Speaker 1: in fact it was bud bunch bouch. Point of contention

1752
01:43:57,960 --> 01:44:02,519
Speaker 1: comes in on that third one, whereas these birds were

1753
01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:07,879
Speaker 1: so close and I was so positive that he obviously

1754
01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:11,320
Speaker 1: hit the first bird and rolled it, but now it

1755
01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:14,160
Speaker 1: was up on its feet running away that I was

1756
01:44:14,240 --> 01:44:18,280
Speaker 1: just doing the good guy thing and taking it care,

1757
01:44:18,479 --> 01:44:23,800
Speaker 1: taking care of it before it runs off. Now, years later,

1758
01:44:23,960 --> 01:44:27,519
Speaker 1: there's some question as to whether or not he shot

1759
01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:31,479
Speaker 1: the burden for a shell. He's like, you remember my turkey, right,

1760
01:44:31,560 --> 01:44:37,200
Speaker 1: cal He's like, yeah, you remember when you felt my

1761
01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:46,479
Speaker 1: turkey tag for me? Uh? Anyone last final thoughts. I

1762
01:44:46,520 --> 01:44:49,280
Speaker 1: think when you try to coordinate a shot based on counting,

1763
01:44:49,439 --> 01:44:51,679
Speaker 1: So this isn't your concluder. Oh no, I'm not gonna

1764
01:44:52,840 --> 01:44:57,280
Speaker 1: not waste have a completing thought though. Yeah you can

1765
01:44:57,320 --> 01:45:00,160
Speaker 1: final thought. You can final thought and then concluding could

1766
01:45:00,240 --> 01:45:04,519
Speaker 1: rip a concluder on the one to three. We'll jump

1767
01:45:04,600 --> 01:45:07,120
Speaker 1: over to Yanni for a concluder and then we'll come

1768
01:45:07,120 --> 01:45:10,360
Speaker 1: back to your regular concluder. Okay, yeah, my father my

1769
01:45:10,680 --> 01:45:14,559
Speaker 1: first concluder. Then um to do the timed thing where

1770
01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:16,040
Speaker 1: you go one to three. It has to be something

1771
01:45:16,080 --> 01:45:20,920
Speaker 1: you practice. You read about these idea that the sniper teams,

1772
01:45:21,800 --> 01:45:23,720
Speaker 1: if you if you read that the account of these

1773
01:45:23,880 --> 01:45:26,360
Speaker 1: um pirates that were shot off the back end of

1774
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:29,880
Speaker 1: when these a navy, they did one three, yeah, and

1775
01:45:29,960 --> 01:45:32,920
Speaker 1: it's something they practice. And I think it's a silent

1776
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:39,040
Speaker 1: thing though they going then pop, So it's it's all

1777
01:45:39,280 --> 01:45:42,760
Speaker 1: it's it's something that eliminate the count. You go one, yeah,

1778
01:45:43,040 --> 01:45:46,400
Speaker 1: once the stook the count. I think I can't say

1779
01:45:46,439 --> 01:45:48,479
Speaker 1: that's exactly how it goes, but there is something where

1780
01:45:48,479 --> 01:45:51,720
Speaker 1: it's sync with these guys work together so much or

1781
01:45:51,800 --> 01:45:55,439
Speaker 1: when they get down to doing it, most people are

1782
01:45:55,560 --> 01:45:58,720
Speaker 1: done and it's not something that was invented on that.

1783
01:45:58,960 --> 01:46:01,160
Speaker 1: In that case, it was you know, this is sniper

1784
01:46:01,200 --> 01:46:03,920
Speaker 1: work that's been going on for five decades and you

1785
01:46:04,000 --> 01:46:08,200
Speaker 1: know longer. Anyway, that was my other thought. That's a

1786
01:46:08,240 --> 01:46:17,360
Speaker 1: good one, really good. So many things talk about like

1787
01:46:17,560 --> 01:46:19,760
Speaker 1: like big high level concluders or you mean about the

1788
01:46:19,800 --> 01:46:22,599
Speaker 1: one too three and no not I'm over that. Um

1789
01:46:23,680 --> 01:46:25,320
Speaker 1: it's not really high level either. But I was gonna

1790
01:46:25,360 --> 01:46:27,519
Speaker 1: bring up we were gonna talk about possibly what we've

1791
01:46:27,560 --> 01:46:30,120
Speaker 1: been eating lately while a game abo use that from

1792
01:46:30,160 --> 01:46:33,719
Speaker 1: my concluder, like what you're hot on right now? Yeah,

1793
01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:36,400
Speaker 1: you know, I canned a whole bunch of elk in

1794
01:46:36,479 --> 01:46:38,599
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, and we really haven't been

1795
01:46:38,640 --> 01:46:47,280
Speaker 1: eaten that much. And then your car broke down. That

1796
01:46:47,600 --> 01:46:55,560
Speaker 1: was a bartering joke that went over my head. M

1797
01:46:57,600 --> 01:47:00,360
Speaker 1: But my house is actually kind of broke him down

1798
01:47:00,479 --> 01:47:03,320
Speaker 1: right now. It only has three walls one walls VisQueen

1799
01:47:03,400 --> 01:47:06,040
Speaker 1: as we're doing a little remodel work and uh, I'd

1800
01:47:06,080 --> 01:47:08,640
Speaker 1: like to do a shout out to camp Chef and

1801
01:47:08,680 --> 01:47:10,960
Speaker 1: Trigger because without them, I wouldn't be doing any kind

1802
01:47:11,000 --> 01:47:12,640
Speaker 1: of cooking because I don't have a kitchen right now.

1803
01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:17,000
Speaker 1: Camps at his house now, man, Yeah, yeah, it's kind

1804
01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:19,680
Speaker 1: of cool. I'm gonna actually miss there's a bird and

1805
01:47:19,760 --> 01:47:21,720
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I don't. I haven't. It's been on my

1806
01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:24,120
Speaker 1: list of things to do to identify the species. He's

1807
01:47:24,120 --> 01:47:28,320
Speaker 1: got a beautiful morning song. And our houses uh it's

1808
01:47:28,360 --> 01:47:31,000
Speaker 1: a cabin and he's been actually kind of coming. He's

1809
01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:33,120
Speaker 1: about two feet in the house in the morning and

1810
01:47:33,280 --> 01:47:35,960
Speaker 1: just like we've got a high ceiling that going and

1811
01:47:36,040 --> 01:47:38,680
Speaker 1: goes to this loft where we sleep, and um, I

1812
01:47:38,720 --> 01:47:41,360
Speaker 1: mean his song stills the whole house every morning, and

1813
01:47:41,439 --> 01:47:44,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna miss that because it's all it's like you're camping, right,

1814
01:47:44,160 --> 01:47:45,640
Speaker 1: I mean, the trees are right there that you're just

1815
01:47:45,720 --> 01:47:48,639
Speaker 1: flying back and forth. Woman. It's been great anyways, going

1816
01:47:48,720 --> 01:47:51,559
Speaker 1: off on a tangent here, but the canned elk has

1817
01:47:51,600 --> 01:47:53,960
Speaker 1: been really coming in handy, right, because I come home

1818
01:47:54,040 --> 01:47:56,240
Speaker 1: and you're like looking at how many dishes you gotta do? Again,

1819
01:47:56,320 --> 01:47:58,559
Speaker 1: no kitchen at all, so we're just doing bust up

1820
01:47:58,600 --> 01:48:03,559
Speaker 1: dishes in the backyard. And when you look at Candell,

1821
01:48:03,720 --> 01:48:08,439
Speaker 1: it's not the most advertising thing. No at all. But

1822
01:48:08,720 --> 01:48:10,760
Speaker 1: I just want to say that if you haven't tried

1823
01:48:10,800 --> 01:48:13,040
Speaker 1: it yet, try it and don't go through the hassle

1824
01:48:13,200 --> 01:48:16,080
Speaker 1: of browning it, seizing it, anything like that. Do what

1825
01:48:16,160 --> 01:48:19,599
Speaker 1: they call raw pack, which you just cube it up,

1826
01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:22,680
Speaker 1: packing into the can. Can it. Some people have like

1827
01:48:22,760 --> 01:48:25,240
Speaker 1: a teaspoon of salt. I think maybe for a whole

1828
01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:27,000
Speaker 1: quart something like that. It might just be a half

1829
01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:30,200
Speaker 1: a teaspoon. Can you put it up? And then we've

1830
01:48:30,240 --> 01:48:33,800
Speaker 1: been just doing barbecue sandwiches with it. Uh sloppy Joe's

1831
01:48:33,800 --> 01:48:40,200
Speaker 1: style sandwiches. Uh tacos um. Oh yeah, making a stew,

1832
01:48:40,360 --> 01:48:42,640
Speaker 1: just like quickly blowing some carrots and potatoes, dumping it

1833
01:48:42,680 --> 01:48:45,040
Speaker 1: in there. And it's been a it's been awesome and

1834
01:48:45,120 --> 01:48:47,400
Speaker 1: it's been a savior. So now I don't want to

1835
01:48:47,439 --> 01:48:50,240
Speaker 1: look at him. Not I'm not quite so like I

1836
01:48:50,280 --> 01:48:52,439
Speaker 1: don't detest the books of it so much because I

1837
01:48:52,479 --> 01:48:55,680
Speaker 1: see the value in it. Though. Is the thinking on

1838
01:48:55,920 --> 01:48:59,920
Speaker 1: raw packing um is the thinking that one you can

1839
01:49:00,040 --> 01:49:02,880
Speaker 1: pack more in because it hasn't gotten rigid, so you

1840
01:49:02,960 --> 01:49:06,679
Speaker 1: get a higher you just get higher meat the liquid.

1841
01:49:06,920 --> 01:49:09,240
Speaker 1: But is there something too abount the way it expels

1842
01:49:09,320 --> 01:49:12,080
Speaker 1: water doesn't expel water is this ringing a bell at all?

1843
01:49:14,320 --> 01:49:15,880
Speaker 1: It's hard to say. I just feel like when you

1844
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:18,360
Speaker 1: cook it first in the pan, you're losing a lot

1845
01:49:18,439 --> 01:49:22,240
Speaker 1: of moisture, probably fat, you know, and you put that

1846
01:49:22,320 --> 01:49:26,160
Speaker 1: back in the jar, right, yeah. Put. I feel like

1847
01:49:26,240 --> 01:49:28,360
Speaker 1: when you if you you're just saving yourself a step

1848
01:49:28,400 --> 01:49:30,640
Speaker 1: because when you brought back and cook it, it's all

1849
01:49:30,760 --> 01:49:33,760
Speaker 1: just just there in the in the jar. When I

1850
01:49:33,880 --> 01:49:35,560
Speaker 1: was a kid man, in hunting season was coming on,

1851
01:49:35,760 --> 01:49:39,800
Speaker 1: my old man would uh take a milk crate and

1852
01:49:39,880 --> 01:49:42,000
Speaker 1: he would like rig a milk crate out so we

1853
01:49:42,040 --> 01:49:45,000
Speaker 1: could just have lunches out tailgate lunches out in the woods,

1854
01:49:45,400 --> 01:49:47,439
Speaker 1: you know, are out of farms where we hunted. And

1855
01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:50,000
Speaker 1: if he would buy I remember he'd buy coffee drops,

1856
01:49:50,280 --> 01:49:54,439
Speaker 1: like the coffee candy, and he'd buy bags of prunes,

1857
01:49:55,200 --> 01:49:56,720
Speaker 1: and you put mustard in there, and you put a

1858
01:49:56,760 --> 01:50:01,320
Speaker 1: bunch of those jars of canned venison, jarred venison, and

1859
01:50:01,360 --> 01:50:03,560
Speaker 1: then we'd have uh and you'd have rye bread or

1860
01:50:03,560 --> 01:50:06,439
Speaker 1: whatever to spread it on. And it was like an

1861
01:50:06,479 --> 01:50:09,680
Speaker 1: early connection I made to be It's like always the

1862
01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:12,960
Speaker 1: last thing left from last year's deer will be the jars.

1863
01:50:13,640 --> 01:50:16,759
Speaker 1: And then you're eating the last bit of last year's

1864
01:50:16,800 --> 01:50:20,320
Speaker 1: deer while trying to get this year's one. And there's

1865
01:50:20,360 --> 01:50:22,840
Speaker 1: sort of a continuity to it that couldn't be missed

1866
01:50:23,720 --> 01:50:25,720
Speaker 1: even to a kid. And I still kind of have

1867
01:50:25,880 --> 01:50:29,960
Speaker 1: that like feeling of it. You know. My brother bought

1868
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:32,400
Speaker 1: one of those things to make steel cans. We can

1869
01:50:32,479 --> 01:50:34,759
Speaker 1: make your own steel cans, not glass, and he started

1870
01:50:34,760 --> 01:50:39,240
Speaker 1: putting whole ducks in there, and then the duck would

1871
01:50:39,280 --> 01:50:41,880
Speaker 1: fit the can and then can the whole damn duck.

1872
01:50:42,360 --> 01:50:44,280
Speaker 1: But if you drove around it within your car for

1873
01:50:44,280 --> 01:50:45,680
Speaker 1: a while, by the time you pulled out, it was

1874
01:50:45,760 --> 01:50:47,880
Speaker 1: just like bones laying in the bottom there and duck

1875
01:50:47,960 --> 01:50:52,280
Speaker 1: meat floating on top. Remember being out one time my

1876
01:50:52,680 --> 01:50:56,120
Speaker 1: brother's neighbor had died and he cleaned out his house

1877
01:50:56,160 --> 01:50:58,080
Speaker 1: for some reason. He had a ton of slim Fast

1878
01:50:59,400 --> 01:51:03,160
Speaker 1: they'll slim fast cans. Remember being out hunting and um,

1879
01:51:04,360 --> 01:51:06,320
Speaker 1: we're just all we're doing is drinking slim Fast and

1880
01:51:06,360 --> 01:51:13,280
Speaker 1: eating those canned dogs. And my buddy Pooter was my

1881
01:51:13,360 --> 01:51:15,200
Speaker 1: Boddy Pooter was with us, and he says, man, I

1882
01:51:15,240 --> 01:51:17,280
Speaker 1: just feel like we're gonna be skinning bones. But this

1883
01:51:22,120 --> 01:51:26,080
Speaker 1: pat you got a concluder yeah. I um, I have

1884
01:51:26,240 --> 01:51:29,080
Speaker 1: to say it's I can't see you folks real well

1885
01:51:29,120 --> 01:51:32,240
Speaker 1: because the lights, but it's to me, it's really cool

1886
01:51:32,320 --> 01:51:35,559
Speaker 1: to think that this many people could come in here,

1887
01:51:35,960 --> 01:51:38,719
Speaker 1: listen to five people just talking about hunting and fishing.

1888
01:51:39,560 --> 01:51:43,400
Speaker 1: And I really want you to think about something Carl

1889
01:51:43,479 --> 01:51:47,639
Speaker 1: Malcolm brought up in the tempee Um podcast about making

1890
01:51:47,800 --> 01:51:51,280
Speaker 1: a conservation effort not just between the hunting community, but

1891
01:51:51,400 --> 01:51:55,120
Speaker 1: outside the hunting community. Build this big effort, just big

1892
01:51:55,439 --> 01:51:58,720
Speaker 1: coming together at a moment basically, and you know it's

1893
01:51:58,760 --> 01:52:03,320
Speaker 1: not gonna happen big, some big campaign, some big public

1894
01:52:03,400 --> 01:52:07,160
Speaker 1: relations effort. These kind of things happen slow but sure,

1895
01:52:07,600 --> 01:52:10,040
Speaker 1: and they happened around these kind of venues where you

1896
01:52:10,200 --> 01:52:12,240
Speaker 1: folks can kind of come in here. And the reason

1897
01:52:12,320 --> 01:52:15,960
Speaker 1: you hear I have no thought about this, it's because

1898
01:52:15,960 --> 01:52:18,960
Speaker 1: of Steve Ronnella. It's because of the way he can

1899
01:52:19,160 --> 01:52:23,559
Speaker 1: express great thoughts about hunting, not in a defensive way,

1900
01:52:23,640 --> 01:52:26,599
Speaker 1: but in an explanatory way that makes people have fun

1901
01:52:27,040 --> 01:52:29,880
Speaker 1: and think about things in a fun way, entertaining way.

1902
01:52:30,479 --> 01:52:33,920
Speaker 1: And so, like I mentioned earlier about the idea I

1903
01:52:34,040 --> 01:52:43,679
Speaker 1: need your parents I mentioned earlier, you know, the idea

1904
01:52:43,800 --> 01:52:48,680
Speaker 1: driving on the highway and seeing, uh, you know, the

1905
01:52:49,040 --> 01:52:50,880
Speaker 1: whole comparison between a dead deer in the back of

1906
01:52:50,920 --> 01:52:56,320
Speaker 1: the truck and load full of pork or college, whatever

1907
01:52:56,360 --> 01:52:58,800
Speaker 1: it might be. And the thing I wanted to think

1908
01:52:58,800 --> 01:53:03,320
Speaker 1: about is you guys becoming the face of hunting. Where

1909
01:53:03,320 --> 01:53:06,680
Speaker 1: are your blaze orange? Where are your camouflage? And when

1910
01:53:06,760 --> 01:53:11,760
Speaker 1: people talk to you, be polite, explain things, don't be defensive.

1911
01:53:12,320 --> 01:53:14,400
Speaker 1: Just reach out the folks in a fun way, in

1912
01:53:14,439 --> 01:53:17,080
Speaker 1: a in a friendly way. Because I found a number

1913
01:53:17,080 --> 01:53:19,080
Speaker 1: of times over the years, people see a dead deer

1914
01:53:19,120 --> 01:53:22,559
Speaker 1: in the back of my truck or something and they'll

1915
01:53:22,600 --> 01:53:25,080
Speaker 1: come over and just want to talk, and they don't

1916
01:53:25,120 --> 01:53:26,760
Speaker 1: know about this and that in the case I can

1917
01:53:26,800 --> 01:53:30,000
Speaker 1: think of as fishing out of Milwaukee one time, and

1918
01:53:30,520 --> 01:53:34,760
Speaker 1: is in McKinley Park in Milwaukee, catching sam. We brought

1919
01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:38,640
Speaker 1: in some salmon, and people walking by people have never

1920
01:53:38,760 --> 01:53:41,479
Speaker 1: seen a fish brought off a lake before in your lives.

1921
01:53:41,880 --> 01:53:44,120
Speaker 1: This is not something they do every day. And they

1922
01:53:44,160 --> 01:53:46,519
Speaker 1: were so fascinated that you could go out in this

1923
01:53:46,680 --> 01:53:49,000
Speaker 1: lake and catch a fish that big, bring it back,

1924
01:53:49,120 --> 01:53:50,519
Speaker 1: cut it up, and take up home and eat it.

1925
01:53:51,040 --> 01:53:53,040
Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of the image you should

1926
01:53:53,040 --> 01:53:56,240
Speaker 1: have some time and people you come across the mountain,

1927
01:53:56,400 --> 01:54:00,320
Speaker 1: out at a gas station, at a convenience store, lob

1928
01:54:00,439 --> 01:54:02,760
Speaker 1: don't know what they're really looking at here, So be

1929
01:54:02,880 --> 01:54:06,519
Speaker 1: patient with them and take those opportunities to just open

1930
01:54:06,640 --> 01:54:08,479
Speaker 1: up a little bit about what a great thing that

1931
01:54:08,560 --> 01:54:11,080
Speaker 1: we're doing. Because this is we're not doing it for um.

1932
01:54:11,720 --> 01:54:15,600
Speaker 1: I don't do it to keep populations in control or

1933
01:54:15,760 --> 01:54:19,200
Speaker 1: control disease, all these bullshit excuses people give for hunting.

1934
01:54:20,439 --> 01:54:24,080
Speaker 1: I do because it's fun and it's something I loved.

1935
01:54:24,240 --> 01:54:28,080
Speaker 1: I loved bringing meat home, processing that stuff, getting in

1936
01:54:28,160 --> 01:54:31,120
Speaker 1: the freezer, bringing out later. My wife's a great crook,

1937
01:54:31,280 --> 01:54:34,560
Speaker 1: My daughters are getting gonna be great crooks. I just

1938
01:54:34,720 --> 01:54:38,000
Speaker 1: find that aspect of it just so enriching and so

1939
01:54:38,720 --> 01:54:42,120
Speaker 1: to me exciting that I think that's hard to miss

1940
01:54:42,160 --> 01:54:44,440
Speaker 1: when when you're sincere about So just keep that in mind.

1941
01:54:44,760 --> 01:54:58,560
Speaker 1: Be the face of hunting. It was an altruistic population

1942
01:54:58,600 --> 01:55:03,160
Speaker 1: control hunting specialists. Um, It's like, I hate hunting, but

1943
01:55:03,200 --> 01:55:04,920
Speaker 1: if I didn't do it, we're just all gonna die

1944
01:55:05,080 --> 01:55:09,000
Speaker 1: from deer. But no, Pat, I was just gonna say

1945
01:55:09,040 --> 01:55:11,320
Speaker 1: a lot of the same things you said, mostly because

1946
01:55:11,320 --> 01:55:13,960
Speaker 1: I've been going off your notes the whole time. But um,

1947
01:55:18,200 --> 01:55:21,000
Speaker 1: but no, I just wanted to say thanks, thanks for

1948
01:55:21,080 --> 01:55:24,520
Speaker 1: everybody that's showed up here tonight. And and I guess

1949
01:55:24,560 --> 01:55:26,160
Speaker 1: the one of the big reasons I say that is

1950
01:55:26,200 --> 01:55:28,960
Speaker 1: because just the fact that you're here, you know, shows

1951
01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:31,920
Speaker 1: me that you care about hunting and care about fishing

1952
01:55:32,000 --> 01:55:35,440
Speaker 1: and care about our wild places on on a very

1953
01:55:35,600 --> 01:55:38,920
Speaker 1: deep level. And um, like like Pat said, you know,

1954
01:55:39,000 --> 01:55:41,200
Speaker 1: I mean it's on us to be a voice for that,

1955
01:55:41,800 --> 01:55:44,680
Speaker 1: um and and to and to communicate with people that

1956
01:55:44,760 --> 01:55:48,400
Speaker 1: maybe are outside our circle and and help them understand

1957
01:55:48,640 --> 01:55:51,960
Speaker 1: and and hopefully bring them into the fold. And uh.

1958
01:55:52,560 --> 01:55:55,960
Speaker 1: And also thanks to Steve and meeting her crew for

1959
01:55:56,040 --> 01:55:58,360
Speaker 1: having me here tonight and letting me sit with you

1960
01:55:58,520 --> 01:56:02,200
Speaker 1: guys and and being the voice that you guys are

1961
01:56:02,400 --> 01:56:05,000
Speaker 1: because I mean, I truly believe this, man, when when

1962
01:56:05,040 --> 01:56:07,160
Speaker 1: we are all long gone, people are gonna be sitting

1963
01:56:07,160 --> 01:56:09,720
Speaker 1: around campfires telling stories about you guys. So appreciate you guys.

1964
01:56:19,680 --> 01:56:23,760
Speaker 1: UM a little hurt, I guess I didn't ask my

1965
01:56:23,840 --> 01:56:27,160
Speaker 1: opinion on if you're gonna be away from lady for

1966
01:56:27,200 --> 01:56:32,960
Speaker 1: a long time. Oh okay, what would you do well?

1967
01:56:33,000 --> 01:56:35,680
Speaker 1: Not from personal reference, say you were in a situation,

1968
01:56:37,040 --> 01:56:45,960
Speaker 1: say you're in a situation where you love someone. Um M,

1969
01:56:49,920 --> 01:56:51,760
Speaker 1: I do listen to a lot of old country music

1970
01:56:51,880 --> 01:56:57,040
Speaker 1: when I'm working on the house. Charlie Pryett said, Uh,

1971
01:56:58,600 --> 01:57:02,040
Speaker 1: you know, tell her that you'll love her even when

1972
01:57:02,120 --> 01:57:05,640
Speaker 1: you're gone. I love her like a devil when you

1973
01:57:05,680 --> 01:57:18,120
Speaker 1: get back home. That seems it seems to make sense

1974
01:57:18,160 --> 01:57:27,400
Speaker 1: to me. And uh switch gears. Yeah. I think we

1975
01:57:27,560 --> 01:57:31,720
Speaker 1: all have to recognize that that we all have a

1976
01:57:32,040 --> 01:57:37,720
Speaker 1: platform and we can use it, uh in a lot

1977
01:57:37,800 --> 01:57:41,840
Speaker 1: of different ways. We know from looking at YouTube and uh,

1978
01:57:43,080 --> 01:57:46,240
Speaker 1: my grandma and my mom said always says, you know,

1979
01:57:47,160 --> 01:57:49,920
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be around that long. So if you

1980
01:57:50,000 --> 01:57:53,920
Speaker 1: get a shot at you know, talking to somebody that

1981
01:57:53,960 --> 01:57:57,560
Speaker 1: you want to talk to, it doesn't matter who it is,

1982
01:57:57,640 --> 01:58:00,160
Speaker 1: if they're the President of the United States and are

1983
01:58:00,240 --> 01:58:04,800
Speaker 1: right there, don't regret it, but utilize your time and

1984
01:58:06,120 --> 01:58:09,520
Speaker 1: and talk to him and let him know what you're thinking,

1985
01:58:09,600 --> 01:58:12,720
Speaker 1: because that may be the only shot you get. And Uh,

1986
01:58:13,480 --> 01:58:16,880
Speaker 1: I think we got to realize that. And when we have,

1987
01:58:18,960 --> 01:58:22,360
Speaker 1: you know, these interactions we had uh, you know, in

1988
01:58:22,560 --> 01:58:27,920
Speaker 1: person or socially, we needed uh. And I'm absolutely guilty

1989
01:58:27,960 --> 01:58:31,200
Speaker 1: of this as well, but we need to uh take

1990
01:58:31,360 --> 01:58:34,600
Speaker 1: take advantage of that time and make the best impression possible.

1991
01:58:35,320 --> 01:58:38,440
Speaker 1: And uh and make sure that hunting and fishing that

1992
01:58:38,560 --> 01:58:43,120
Speaker 1: we love is around for a really long time. And uh,

1993
01:58:43,520 --> 01:58:47,280
Speaker 1: I really got to thank everybody in here's uh you know,

1994
01:58:47,360 --> 01:58:50,560
Speaker 1: wearing those public landowner shirts and b h A shirts

1995
01:58:50,640 --> 01:58:56,600
Speaker 1: and the TRCP shirts and um, and thank you very much.

1996
01:58:56,680 --> 01:58:58,800
Speaker 1: But you know that's not enough. You gotta you gotta

1997
01:58:58,840 --> 01:59:01,120
Speaker 1: go a little bit further. You gotta get a public

1998
01:59:01,200 --> 01:59:06,240
Speaker 1: water t shirt, which doesn't exist yet. But uh, and

1999
01:59:06,480 --> 01:59:09,440
Speaker 1: if issues come up, not only in your state but

2000
01:59:09,680 --> 01:59:13,400
Speaker 1: in others, you know, take advantage and and uh pick

2001
01:59:13,520 --> 01:59:16,320
Speaker 1: up pick up the phone and call your duly elected

2002
01:59:16,400 --> 01:59:20,320
Speaker 1: officials and let them know that you appreciate what you

2003
01:59:20,440 --> 01:59:24,120
Speaker 1: do and the places that you can go and and

2004
01:59:24,520 --> 01:59:34,200
Speaker 1: enjoy those things. All right, my my concluder, are you cool? Uh? First,

2005
01:59:34,760 --> 01:59:39,840
Speaker 1: you uh wish a happy anniversary to our friend Mitch

2006
01:59:39,920 --> 01:59:42,560
Speaker 1: Petrie from Sports Channel is here with his wife Kristen,

2007
01:59:42,640 --> 01:59:48,440
Speaker 1: and presumably it's probably a large package of experiences that

2008
01:59:48,480 --> 01:59:51,280
Speaker 1: he's lavishing upon her this week. He chose to make

2009
01:59:51,360 --> 01:59:55,360
Speaker 1: this one of them, so happy anniversary, and also Uh,

2010
01:59:56,160 --> 01:59:59,480
Speaker 1: there's an active duty Air Force serviceman here named Craig Quinnett.

2011
02:00:00,520 --> 02:00:03,080
Speaker 1: Flew here to be here tonight and probably not in

2012
02:00:03,200 --> 02:00:07,320
Speaker 1: the Air Force jet. Are you here, Craig? Great? You

2013
02:00:07,480 --> 02:00:18,080
Speaker 1: made it all right, guys, Thank you very much. Oh.

2014
02:00:18,120 --> 02:00:22,400
Speaker 1: A couple quick announcements. Uh, we got our steam breathing,

2015
02:00:23,000 --> 02:00:26,440
Speaker 1: our steam breathing anthem turkey posters for sale out front.

2016
02:00:26,520 --> 02:00:31,320
Speaker 1: You saw those blouert shirts, Metior podcast shirts. Until we

2017
02:00:31,400 --> 02:00:34,960
Speaker 1: get kicked out, which happens when eleven. Yeah, so until

2018
02:00:34,960 --> 02:00:37,320
Speaker 1: we get kicked out of the leven will mosey up

2019
02:00:37,400 --> 02:00:39,280
Speaker 1: that that a way there, and we'll be there to

2020
02:00:39,440 --> 02:00:42,080
Speaker 1: take pictures and sign stuff and hang out until they

2021
02:00:42,120 --> 02:00:44,760
Speaker 1: tell us that we can't anymore. Thank you very much

2022
02:00:45,200 --> 02:00:48,200
Speaker 1: for coming out tonight. It is great and I love

2023
02:00:48,360 --> 02:00:56,360
Speaker 1: you all. Thank you. Let's try and hate a fre