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Speaker 1: Well, hi, everybody, I am here with Linda Richmond. Linda Richmond,

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Speaker 1: how are you? Linda?

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Speaker 2: I'm great. I'm very excited being here.

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Speaker 1: You look really good.

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Speaker 2: No work yet? What do you mean, no facelift?

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Speaker 1: I don't believe you. You had a facelift at like forty,

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Speaker 1: didn't you, or something? Something ridiculously young?

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Speaker 2: Right, yes, before the damage came in.

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Speaker 1: Exactly when you were looking perfect. That's what you decided

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Speaker 1: you needed a face. When you go tell the people

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Speaker 1: how old you are, Linda, I'm I will be eighty

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Speaker 1: three next month. I don't even know what month anymore. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you're going to be eighty three?

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Speaker 2: Yep?

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Speaker 1: Can you believe that?

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Speaker 2: No? I can't believe it. I'm shocked by it. I

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Speaker 2: wish I had some advice for people who are turning

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Speaker 2: into their eighties, and there is no advice. You just cry.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you fought it hard. You did not like your

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Speaker 1: eightieth birthday. We were there for a big party. You

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Speaker 1: hated the party. Yeah, why because you're not a party person.

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Speaker 2: I love fun, but I didn't want to be the

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Speaker 2: settler of saying, yes, she's eighty how wonderful?

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Speaker 1: Right? Right?

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Speaker 2: And now I'm turning eighty three, right, and I'm praying

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Speaker 2: my daughter doesn't make me anything.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm sure she'll do something.

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Speaker 2: Oh a light, you know, chicken dinner.

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Speaker 1: Linda's daughter is one of my closest friends, Robin Juzanne,

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Speaker 1: and we kind of.

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Speaker 2: Met through her, and we did meet through her.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I met Robin on a plane going to New York.

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Speaker 1: And I was about to adopt a baby. And I

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Speaker 1: said to Robin, oh, where do you live? Was right

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Speaker 1: close to where I lived, and I said, next week,

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Speaker 1: I'm getting a baby, and over you came and you

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Speaker 1: never left.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's not my memory of the story.

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Speaker 1: Tell the story.

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Speaker 2: The story is Robin met you on a clane. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I really never heard of you. I'm sorry, that's okay.

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Speaker 2: And I lived across town from you in New York,

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Speaker 2: in New York, yes, and by this time I knew

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Speaker 2: movie or anything.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: Right, And you had asked, Robin, do you think your

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Speaker 2: mother would babysit for me? Because I don't have a

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Speaker 2: nanna yet?

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Speaker 1: Right? Because I was just starting my show and I

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Speaker 1: had Parker who was in diapers and hadn't yet walked.

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Speaker 1: He was still crawling.

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Speaker 2: He was three months old.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a tiny little thing, and I didn't

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Speaker 1: know who I could ask to come, baby said, So

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Speaker 1: I said to Robin, would your mother ever want to

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Speaker 1: asleep and I just have to go. I think it

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Speaker 1: was the Emmys. Was it the Emmys?

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Speaker 2: I don't remember the occasion.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but you came over and you did it.

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Speaker 2: I did it, and he was like a piece of gold.

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Speaker 2: He never cried.

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Speaker 2: I know, right, And he was a doll and it

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Speaker 2: was lovely. And I remember this. You won't remember, but

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Speaker 2: it tickled the hell out of me. You asked him charged, Oh,

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Speaker 2: I own my own business. I was self supporting, and

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Speaker 2: I said, I don't charge anything. So the next day,

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Speaker 2: one day later, I get a phone call from Rosie.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that you could help me out? I

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Speaker 2: another night? And I said sure when she said tonight,

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Speaker 2: and I said fine. And he was fussy that I remember,

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Speaker 2: he was fussy, But I had two children. I knew

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Speaker 2: what to do. Sure, And I went into his room

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Speaker 2: and he had a couch in his rooms, right, And

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Speaker 2: for the next two years.

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Speaker 1: And a half years. Linda literally moved in to my

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Speaker 2: It's he's still He's still in my heart. I mean

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Speaker 2: those of you who aren't Jewish, I killed, which means

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Speaker 2: I burst with pride, Yeah, because I feel like I

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Speaker 2: had a part in well you did bringing up this child. Well,

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Speaker 2: Rosie moved again, but she moved to a fancy Schmanz

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Speaker 2: house hell in Hayes Estate. Yes, but of course she

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Speaker 2: never tells you what she's going to do. She just

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wake up and go. I have an idea,

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Speaker 1: let's go. Yeah. But when I met you, wasn't it

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Speaker 1: How long after your son, Jordan, had died in a

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Speaker 2: Well, he died when he was twenty twenty nine, so

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Speaker 2: And you know, a baby meant nothing in terms of

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Speaker 2: You know. And but Rosie had this habit of not

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Speaker 2: telling me what company she was getting.

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Speaker 1: Well, I never thought I had to say, oh, so

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Speaker 1: and so Star is coming. I would just invite my

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Speaker 1: didn't you tell me It was Katie Burk, you know?

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Speaker 2: Or the best one was Madonna, that's right, because she

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Speaker 2: And I remember sitting and having one sch at Rosie's

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Speaker 2: and Madonna was just Madonna.

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Speaker 1: Now, but you had been around famous people because Robin

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Speaker 1: was at one time married to Mike Myers, who created

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Speaker 1: Linda Richmond Coffee Talk YEP, which is based on you

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Speaker 1: totally and you'll love for Barbara streisand totally, which is

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Speaker 1: how you and I connected initially. Yes, right, I think

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Speaker 1: And I never you know, I never miss a birthday,

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Speaker 1: I never miss an event. Let's talk the book. What

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Speaker 2: It was boring and brilliant.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it was boring to you because we

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Speaker 1: I think people who aren't as avid fans, right, they

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Speaker 1: I kind of we knew a lot of things that

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Speaker 2: There, Like we knew more than Barbara.

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Speaker 1: Think that scare her, let's not say that, but yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: we knew a lot of the story of her life

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Speaker 1: because you know it was really the whole reason I

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Speaker 2: Well, I didn't become a performer, I just became a

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Speaker 2: she had a contentious relationship with a mother, yes, and

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Speaker 2: you didn't have a mother, And I had a contentious

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Speaker 1: My mother, and you didn't have a father.

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Speaker 2: My father had died. He was my father was killed

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Speaker 1: For over a decade, no one mentioned his name.

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Speaker 2: No, and I wasn't allowed to ask how old.

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Speaker 1: Were you when he died? Eight? You were eight? Until

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Speaker 1: Nobody really even And what did you imagine, Linda, What

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Speaker 2: I thought, well, I had a as I said, I

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Speaker 2: he left her. Oh, and he met somebody else who

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Speaker 2: was fun and frolicky, and he was off having a

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Speaker 1: Now, what happened to me? A couple of times after

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Speaker 2: Well, I never said that he was dead because I

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Speaker 2: me with Barbara. Yes, her father died. I think he

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Speaker 2: And when I met her, I said, you know, I

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Speaker 2: told her I was the most disgusting person in the world.

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Speaker 2: I said, I'm the biggest fan. I had been invited

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Speaker 2: I had a lot of mental illness. Yes, Barbara's mother

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Speaker 2: Well I spoke to the mother really yeah. At the event,

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Speaker 2: I said, hello, I'm Linda. I didn't even use my

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Speaker 2: And I said, you have created a masterpiece. And she said,

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: She did, nice, God is my witness, that's what she said.

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Speaker 1: Where on earth would you have heard her mother sing?

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Speaker 1: I mean, how could she ask that? Where would you

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Speaker 1: have heard her sing in shule com on now? I

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Speaker 1: mean she wasn't known to have a singing voice.

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Speaker 2: Right at all? Not at all? And I said, I know,

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Speaker 2: I'm sad that I never got a chance to hear

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Speaker 1: But I told you all you needed to know.

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Speaker 2: It's all I needed to know. And then Barbara and

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Speaker 2: killed in a car access Yes. And my father had

438
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 2: been killed in a car truck truck accident. Yeah, And

439
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 2: I thought to myself at that time it must have

440
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 2: been written that way, right, So I'm not going to

441
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 2: feel anything at all at all. And luckily I became

442
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 2: pregnant during during that time and gave birth to an

443
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 2: angel in disguise, and I put everything that I had

444
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 2: into her, and which sent her into therapy for a

445
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 2: lot of years. You know, you can't fill a hole.

446
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: With another with another person, especially another wounded sibling, you know.

447
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 1: I mean, how old was she, George?

448
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 2: She was in her twenties. In her twenties, yeah, you know,

449
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 2: and she had her wounds, and but I was I

450
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 2: was the I always thought of myself as the queen

451
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 2: of depression and misery and unhappiness, and I gave it

452
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 2: easily to everybodybody else right, you know, and with an

453
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 2: outside that looked happy.

454
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing is that you're funny. You know.

455
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 1: People think it's butter, it's coffee talk. They think of comedy,

456
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: and you know, I know that you did really profound

457
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 1: work with the book and with all the grieving that

458
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: you helped so many people that you know it probably

459
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 1: was life altering for you.

460
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 2: It was life altering because people would come up to

461
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 2: me after a lecture and say, you've changed my life,

462
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 2: and I go, how m And they would tell me

463
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 2: and I go, I did that. And there was a

464
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,360
Speaker 2: very famous person that I'll tell you later who came

465
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 2: up to me who said, I've been diagnosed as bipolar,

466
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 2: which I didn't even know what bipolar was at that point.

467
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 2: He said, and you're an important person and I said

468
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 2: I am. He said, you didn't know that. I said, no,

469
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 2: You've made a big change in me. Whether I can

470
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 2: hold on to it, I don't know sure, he said,

471
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 2: but you've made a big change. And then a girl

472
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 2: came up to me, a young girl I'm still friendly with,

473
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 2: and she we just started talking. She said, my father

474
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 2: just died. And I looked at her and I said,

475
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. I said, you know it's your father

476
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 2: and I'm not going to use his name, and she said, yes,

477
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 2: how do you know? I said, you have every mannerism

478
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 2: of his.

479
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: Was a famous I know, the child of someone famous.

480
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 2: And with still friends?

481
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: How about that?

482
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 2: And she calls me, and she calls me at least

483
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 2: once a month. She called me this time and she said,

484
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 2: I haven't heard from you in a while. And I said,

485
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 2: I had surgery and I didn't feel like talking on

486
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 2: the phone. I'm sorry as short of emailed you. And

487
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 2: she said, you can make no mistakes with Migland.

488
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 1: That's sweet, that's sweet. Well, you have touched so many people.

489
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 1: You have so many people in your life that really

490
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: care about you and that you're invested, and I mean,

491
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 1: I think it's why you're doing so well in terms

492
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,719
Speaker 1: of your age and your cognition. And you're you know,

493
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 1: you're you're fully active in loving people. You're not so

494
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: active in getting up and around and moving. You know

495
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: that's something that you know, do you think that's something

496
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 1: that can change.

497
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 2: At eighty three, well, I'm sitting next to my physical

498
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 2: therapy yes exactly, yells at me daily, right for not

499
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 2: getting off my as they say in French, tookus.

500
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: Yes, without getting off your ass to move around. But

501
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: do you think that there could be a change in that?

502
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: Do you think at eighty three you're kind of like, well,

503
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: this is how I am and I'm not going to

504
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: change it, because like today, you didn't have the wheelchair

505
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: coming in, you didn't have the canes coming in, you

506
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: have you just you know, you're you're doing much better

507
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: than you had been.

508
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 2: I also, if I fell or couldn't make the steps,

509
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be embarrassed in front of you. Oh right, right,

510
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 2: because we lived together for so long. Yeah, yes exactly.

511
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 2: But if you were having company, I would probably take

512
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 2: the wheelchair in and and and I'd be happy.

513
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

514
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, at least they knew I wouldn't fall.

515
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: More with Linda after this, how much do you think

516
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: our relationship is based on my needing a mother and

517
00:29:58,640 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: you needing a child?

518
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 2: Time I do too.

519
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: I think it's shared, right.

520
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 2: Oh, definitely shared. I remember you had an accident in Florida,

521
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 2: and you caut uh. Yeah, fishing a fishing thing, fishing.

522
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: I cut off the price tag of a fishing pole

523
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: and it like severed everything in my hand.

524
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 2: And I heard about it, and I was living in

525
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: Florida and I flew down there. When I say flew,

526
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 2: I mean by carr uh. And I wasn't allowed in

527
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 2: the room. And I cried. I cried like a baby.

528
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 2: I said, I have to see her. Yeah, if she's

529
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 2: where my brain was, if she sees me, she's going

530
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 2: to be a right.

531
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: And it's true.

532
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 2: What's illusion is that I believe it's true.

533
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: How about when I had my heart attack and I

534
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: called you up? You want to you want to tell

535
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,959
Speaker 1: that story? You tell this is a good story. I

536
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: had had a heart attack on a Monday morning and

537
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: went home and was feeling really bad. And I was

538
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,959
Speaker 1: in my art studio with Blakey and I called Linda

539
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: and I said, Linda, do you think this anyway? I

540
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: could have had a heart attack? And what did you say?

541
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 2: I said, what are the symptoms?

542
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: And I had all of them?

543
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 2: You had all of them. And I said, get to

544
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 2: the hospital now. That's right, no matter what it is,

545
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 2: you should be seen now.

546
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: But I was not thinking right really, and I waited

547
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: another day a half. Yeah, I went to a doctor

548
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: on Wednesday at four pm when I had had a

549
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: heart attack Monday at nine am.

550
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, I I was so angry with you. I know,

551
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: I didn't want you to die either, you know, and

552
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 2: like I couldn't make headway with you.

553
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: No, But I was, like I was fifty, and I thought,

554
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: a heart attack has to feel more painful than this,

555
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: Like my arm's hurt really, really badly. But I had

556
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: helped a woman get out of a car, and so

557
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: I had helped her and it took longer and my

558
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: arms were hurting, and I don't know what I thought.

559
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: I thought, how could this be a heart attack? How

560
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: could this be? But I was very lucky because the

561
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: doctor said I had like a half an hour more

562
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: and that would have been that.

563
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 2: I couldn't imagine you not knowing it was a heart attack.

564
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: Right, I think part of me knew, but part of

565
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: me was, you know, here's the stupid thing. This is

566
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:34,239
Speaker 1: what women do. Women sometimes worry about other people who

567
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: aren't even in the equation. Like I was thinking, if

568
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: I call the ambulance, what if there's a car accident

569
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: and somebody really needs that ambulance and this isn't a

570
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,719
Speaker 1: heart attack after all, then I would have caused the

571
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,959
Speaker 1: death of a young kid in a car accident because

572
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: I wasted the ambulance. That's where I was.

573
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: You know, anyone listening to this right now knows who

574
00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 2: Rosie is, because that's what she'll do. She'll put her

575
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 2: life aside so that somebody else who doesn't even exist

576
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:07,959
Speaker 2: gets care before her.

577
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: Right That's when my brain goes through. It's like, you know,

578
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: don't be selfish and take this when someone else could

579
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: need that, you know, And I mean it's a way

580
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: that women often treat themselves lest in a family. When

581
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: you're the mother, you take care of your kids first,

582
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: and you know, you don't put yourself first oftentimes, I

583
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: think when you're a mom, and I was deep into

584
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: mom mode at that point. You know, not that I've

585
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: ever gotten out.

586
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 2: Of what day? What day does you leave?

587
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: I'm still in it. I'm still in it. Yeah, But

588
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: I think that our relationship has been very healing for

589
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: me and having lost my mom and to have you

590
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: for you know, the time that I missed my mother

591
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,479
Speaker 1: the most is when they handed me Parker, and I

592
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: remember thinking, God, I wish I had my mom here

593
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: to help me because you're scared, and he was premi

594
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: and he was tiny, and and then not two days later,

595
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: ding dong, care for what you wish for?

596
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 2: But you just said something that he was healing, Yeah,

597
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 2: your mother. And then I get a phone call, will

598
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:19,439
Speaker 2: you watch Rosie's son after I've lost my son?

599
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:20,439
Speaker 1: Right?

600
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 2: Right? I didn't care if it was Rosio. I didn't

601
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 2: even know who Rose O'Donnell was. Right, I didn't care

602
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 2: if it was Mary Smith. You have a son and

603
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 2: he's in, you know, in the condition that that Parker was,

604
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 2: which was a pre meiate. Right, of course I'm going

605
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 2: to watch it.

606
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, But it made it made it

607
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: so much more fulfilling for me to not be covered

608
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: with with anxiety the whole time, to not just be like,

609
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm an orphan girl without a mom.

610
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: How am I going to do this? You know, what

611
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: do I do if he wakes up in the middle

612
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: of the night and and he's vomiting, and like you

613
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: start to panic with your first baby, You don't you

614
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: don't don't realize, you know, I don't know if you remember,

615
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: but he fell off the couch. You know, the couch

616
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: was very low, it was it was right like the

617
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: couches here. You need four people to help you get up.

618
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: But he rolled off the couch and I was afraid

619
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: that he hit his head on the wooden leg, but

620
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: he didn't because it was under the couch. So but

621
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: I called the doctor and I was like panicking, HYPERVENI

622
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 1: my son fell off the couch. How high is the couch?

623
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 1: About three two and haf feet two? And effie, okay,

624
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 1: miss so Donald, You've just survived your son's first fall.

625
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: Was like, and what do I do? Do I bring

626
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: him in terret of care? What do I do? They're like,

627
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: you do nothing? Is he crying? And no, he's fine,

628
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: He's fine, and and so you learn, you know, but

629
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 1: you need to have those maternal figures in your life,

630
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: especially when you lost one so young that you know

631
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: you don't always know where and when you're gonna need

632
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: a mother if you've never had the chance to have one.

633
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,760
Speaker 2: And I always felt I didn't have a mother.

634
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: So interesting right because she was not really able to

635
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: care for you. She wasn't in her right right mind.

636
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,439
Speaker 2: I had a sister who I made into my mother,

637
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 2: and after my sister passed away, I used to think

638
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 2: I killed her.

639
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: Oh a lot.

640
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: I don't. I had a lot of therapy. I'm okay,

641
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 2: I know that that's not real. At the moment, I

642
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: thought I put so much pressure on her all her

643
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 2: life that I probably killed her. No, And but I

644
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 2: went into therapy.

645
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and it helped.

646
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:38,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, swimming helped a lot.

647
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 1: Now you love swimming, but you don't do it that much.

648
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 2: No, Why the water is too cold?

649
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, well Robin has a heated pool.

650
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 2: Now, now she does, but it's not is it working?

651
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: It's working, it's working.

652
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 2: Well, then it's then it's new, Okay, because it wasn't.

653
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 2: There wasn't a pool there I built. Yeah, don't I

654
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Speaker 2: sound like I'm rich and famous. You kind of are

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Speaker 2: kind of Can we talk?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? So, so your relationship with Robin is one of

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Speaker 1: the most beautiful mother daughter relationships that I know of.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Would you say that too? I mean I'm crying, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I think that you are so involved and

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Speaker 1: so obviously in love with each other. You care about

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Speaker 1: each other, You're in each other's lives on a on

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Speaker 1: a daily you know, minute by minute basis. We have

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Speaker 1: had this group text since the beginning of COVID that

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Speaker 1: Robin's set up, and we have taken it all the

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Speaker 1: way through till now when COVID is pretty much done.

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Speaker 1: Although my nanny just had it that we we talk

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Speaker 1: on these group texts three or four times a day,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I don't know, Robin calls you what

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Speaker 1: ten times a day, at least four, at least four, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: at least four. And you had to work on it too,

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Speaker 1: don't you think it did it just come naturally?

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Speaker 2: I think tragedy brought us together.

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Speaker 1: What do you think are the ingredients to a good

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Speaker 1: relationship with your adult daughter? Like so many of my

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Speaker 1: friends have problems with their moms and their eighties that

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Speaker 1: it's you know, and Robin has the patience of a saint.

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Speaker 1: I give her that, she surely does, and she takes

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Speaker 1: care of you like a concierge at the best hotel

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Speaker 1: in the country.

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Speaker 2: You can get better than that, right, Sometimes it's very annoying,

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Speaker 2: yeah to you at me, Yeah, yeah, But I know

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Speaker 2: where it's coming from. So I have to be patient

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Speaker 2: because she's hurting. I'm not hurting from it, right, you know,

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Speaker 2: I accept what she's giving. And I try and she's

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Speaker 2: going to listen to this and never to me. I

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Speaker 2: try not to make her part of my mental illness,

688
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 2: which is I don't feel good. This hurts. That hurts.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I had a heart attack and I had

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Speaker 2: just come out to California. This is years ago, and

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Speaker 2: I called her. I was in a motel for some reason,

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Speaker 2: because I usually stayed with her, and I called her.

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Speaker 2: I first called nine one one. I said, I'm having

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Speaker 2: a heart attack. I need an ambulance. That's how I

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Speaker 2: got on that tee, and then I called Robin. I said, listen,

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Speaker 2: I'm having a heart attack and I'm going to Saint

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Speaker 2: John's is where I was near. And she said I'm

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Speaker 2: coming to get you. I said, no, you are not

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Speaker 2: to come and get me. An ambulance is coming to

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Speaker 2: get me. And I went to the hospital, and as

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Speaker 2: luck would have it, the doctor who operated on mother

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Speaker 2: Teresa was the visiting doctor that day at the hospital.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I have to explain to people. Linda Richmond is

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Speaker 1: all about the doctors. Where they go to school, where

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00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: they studied, were their grades? Who else do you treat?

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Speaker 1: Do you treat anyone that I'm aware of, is it

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Speaker 1: someone famous that I would like? And how about this

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Speaker 1: The weirdest thing about Linda Richmond. If you say any

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Speaker 1: celebrity dead or alive, like Soupy Sales, Linda will say,

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Speaker 1: you know, his daughter's carniologist was my uncle's neighbor. But

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Speaker 1: you know the most absurd facts about whose doctor is

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Speaker 1: connected to I do. And you had a Mother Teresa

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Speaker 1: doctor there for your heart attack.

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Speaker 2: So I when I woke up, they said, you know

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Speaker 2: who operated on you, Mother Teresa's doctor when it's not

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Speaker 2: even Jewish.

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Speaker 1: No, not even There's some interesting books about her that

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Speaker 1: said that her faith was kind of diminished at the

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Speaker 1: end of her life, and she wrote some interesting diary

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Speaker 1: entries about whether or not she believed in God Towards

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Speaker 1: these very two fascinating books. I read one about a

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Speaker 1: postulate who was in her service in the what is

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Speaker 1: it called the Sisters of Charity or I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but anyway, it was very fascinating books, very fascinating, which

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Speaker 1: brings us back to Barber Streis. And I know you

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Speaker 1: listen to it like I did. Right I started out

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Speaker 1: reading it and I heard everyone saying, you have to

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Speaker 1: listen to it. So I listened to it, and it

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Speaker 1: was like a warm blanket over me. You know, I

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Speaker 1: had to find myself sitting and somewhere in the sun

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Speaker 1: with the headphones on because it would almost make me,

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Speaker 1: like feel so comforted that I'd go to sleep with

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Speaker 1: her in my head. You know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: But Rosie, let me just ask you this question. Go

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Speaker 2: with your name ever mentioned in the book? No, it

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Speaker 2: was not mine? Was?

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Speaker 1: All right? Listen, bitch, all right, right now, let's throw down, Linda.

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Speaker 1: I don't care that I got twenty years on you,

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Speaker 1: I know, No, I mean listen, for what she was

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Speaker 1: and is to me in my life, and how she

741
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: was and is to me now is more than I

742
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Speaker 1: ever could have expected. The fact that she was so

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Speaker 1: welcoming and so understanding and so genuinely loving of this,

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Speaker 1: you know, person who wouldn't stop crying when she looked

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Speaker 1: at her. I mean, what must that feel like? Because

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Speaker 1: we're not the only ones, Linda, are millions of us.

747
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 1: Everyone could feel the power of that voice and that

748
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Speaker 1: talent and her acting and her directing, and she's like

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Speaker 1: a powerhouse, a force of life, that entertainment and artistic

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Speaker 1: I don't think has been matched in our.

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Speaker 2: Generation, our generation at all. But a thought just came

752
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 2: to my mind. And that's when Rosie was living in Florida.

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00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 2: I was living in Florida and Rosie, I don't know

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Speaker 2: who called who or what. I think it was you

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Speaker 2: calling me. You said, you're not going to believe this

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Speaker 2: Barbara Streiss and asked if she could stay in my

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00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 2: house yes, because she didn't like the hotel yes that

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Speaker 2: she was at. I said, oh my god, So what's

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00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: going on? Yeah, she said, I'm redecorating the whole thing today.

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Speaker 1: You know, I call the people who flowers in every room,

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Speaker 1: every room, everything come on. And we got a new

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Speaker 1: toaster because the toaster was not good. And she left

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Speaker 1: me little post it notes around my house in my

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Speaker 1: bedroom and I kept them all. I have every single

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Speaker 1: everything she's ever sent me, given me and to me.

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Speaker 1: I haven't a special box, and I you know, I

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Speaker 1: don't know what I'm gonna do with it. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: you know, Bobby Pierce, my friend, Bobby, Love Bobby. He's

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Speaker 1: a great guy. He always says to me, you know,

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Speaker 1: why didn't you keep your Emmys? Why don't you keep

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00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: your and I had said, if my kids want that

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Speaker 1: as a remembrance of me, I think I've failed in

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Speaker 1: some way, right, if all they want is my career stuff,

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00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: like my achievements outside of the family. So I thought,

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Speaker 1: like a box of these intimate, meaningful letters from my

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Speaker 1: pretend mother in my brain. You know that that would

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00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: would mean more to my children when I'm gone than

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Speaker 1: ever a statue, could you know?

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Speaker 2: But I do what it wants.

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Speaker 1: I think she did, all right, don't worry about Robin.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, Linda, this has been really fun. This

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Speaker 1: is all it is. We're done. Done.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe it.

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Speaker 1: You did it successfully. Now what do you have to

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00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: promote anything?

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00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 2: Turning eighty three, turning eighty three. Yes, we're gonna have

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Speaker 2: a little party, Yes, Robins, and I'm going to be

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00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 2: smiling and laughing and hoping I get really nice prisons.

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Speaker 1: Honey, whatever you need I got for you.

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00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 2: Of course you do. All right, Well, I think I

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00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 2: dropped this.

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Speaker 1: Come. I love you very much. Thank you for doing

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Speaker 1: my podcast.

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00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 2: I love your room.

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Speaker 1: All right, Linda Richmond, Ladies and gentlemen, don't go away.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back after this. Well, I hope you enjoyed

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00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: that Linda Richmond is one of a kind and I

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00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 1: love her to death, and I hope that you liked it.

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Speaker 1: Next week on onward will be just me, Rosie O'Donnell,

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Speaker 1: just me talking. Let's see how that goes. Peace out, everybody,