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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Did You Elizabeth Dutton's I was looking forward to seeing you.

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Speaker 3: I was looking forward to see you. What I was

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Speaker 3: looking for? I got it. My mouth is lazy. I

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Speaker 3: was looking forward to seeing you too, too.

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Speaker 2: Question. Yeah, you know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: I do? I do know what is ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: All right, check to share it with brother.

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Speaker 3: Two things that you love, uh w w E wrestling?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 3: Yes, and you also love pickles.

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Speaker 2: I do interest.

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Speaker 3: I'm not mashing those two up. Don't worry about it.

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Speaker 2: God, I'd hate to have them be ruined.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing. I'm doing two ridiculous things about those that

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Speaker 3: are also kind of product mashups has come to us

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Speaker 3: from Melinda Jagger at Instagram. I was really blown away

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Speaker 3: and when this was forwarded to me that it was

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Speaker 3: like right up your alley and that she came up

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Speaker 3: with both of them. So iglu coolers, I'm so not looking.

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Speaker 2: I'm I don't trust you at all at this point.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, you should never this is going to be

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Speaker 2: a mash It's a mashup. It's a mashup.

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Speaker 3: I'm just going to say it right now. So wwe

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Speaker 3: has teamed up with Igloo coolers. You know that makes sense,

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Speaker 3: Like they sell coolers with like the rock Mart. Okay,

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Speaker 3: now they've come up with the Championship fanny pack.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: So see it looks like a wrestling belt championship boat

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Speaker 3: and it's actually a fanny pack and it has a

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Speaker 3: spacious zipped compartment that is a cooler. So it has

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Speaker 3: an adjustable waist straps. Yeahs, and it holds up to

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Speaker 3: four cans in the front. And you know, I'm like

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Speaker 3: perusing the website.

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Speaker 2: And then I'm I supposed to take this to like

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Speaker 2: children's sporting events because you can't do go to any.

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Speaker 3: Professionals with cans every day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just like for like your kids base.

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Speaker 3: Child's soccer game champions it's for just a beer cos

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Speaker 3: random child's dance recital. You don't have kids, so you

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Speaker 3: just show up, all right. So I was looking. They

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Speaker 3: have reviews on the website, and the most helpful favorable

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Speaker 3: review was provided by Sleepy Shredder ok and he said,

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Speaker 3: I dare use five stars. I dare you to take

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Speaker 3: this to an outdoor sporting event and not be overwhelmed

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Speaker 3: with compliments and party screams. Best purchase of my life.

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Speaker 3: And then he's standing in front of like a muscle

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Speaker 3: car a picture. Yeah, it's in front of a muscle

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Speaker 3: car called mister insanity. Oh my god, monster, and we'll

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Speaker 3: put that on the Instagram stories.

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 3: I know you do. And then the most helpful critical

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Speaker 3: review was from someone called derby Geek and it's three stars.

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Speaker 3: Not too shabby. It's a decent quality. But the side

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Speaker 3: plates should be additional pockets for wallet keys, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: Insulation could be thicker, but it holds three sodas and

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Speaker 3: a snack fairly well. And then they paid the kitty tax.

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Speaker 3: They put a picture of their cat laying next to

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Speaker 3: it on the bed. Now, Zaren I mentioned this is

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Speaker 3: running way long, but I mentioned pickles at the top here.

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Speaker 3: You love pickles, yes? And do you like bread? Not

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Speaker 3: so much bread, guys.

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Speaker 2: Ever since Rome built an empire on bread, I've been

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Speaker 2: a big fan of Elizabeth.

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm not a bigger fan than I. Well, anyway,

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Speaker 3: what do you feel about Jimmy John's sandwich shop? Jimmy Johnes,

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Speaker 3: I don't think I've ever been to.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I've had Is that a Canadian.

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Speaker 3: But it's a chain. It's in the south, right, I

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Speaker 3: don't know it's a chain. Yeah, I think it's. I

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Speaker 3: think it's actually across this this entire us.

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Speaker 2: Big Jimmy Johns Sausage. No, Jimmy Dean, Jimmy Dean, Jimmy

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Speaker 2: John's is saying, big Dan, Big John, Big big big John.

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Speaker 3: Well, you like, what's the one that what's the subplace

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Speaker 3: that you like the chain sub?

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Speaker 2: I like Jersey Mikes and Blimpies.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so Jersey Mikes. I thought that was the same

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Speaker 3: thing as this is Jimmy John's. You need to get well,

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Speaker 3: it's like that anyway. I've not been to them. So

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Speaker 3: they have this thing called the pickle Witch that they're

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Speaker 3: October twenty eighth to November something. It's I'm going to

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Speaker 2: Bread, oh god.

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Speaker 3: They just hollow out a giant pickle and the pickles

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Speaker 3: the bread and this is the way they take a bun.

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Speaker 2: Really.

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Speaker 3: They describe the turkey pickle Witch as such, features a

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Speaker 2: I would probably eat.

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Speaker 3: I read that whole thing for the gutted part. It's

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Speaker 3: and cheese. So anyway that all of that is ridiculous,

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Speaker 3: but also it's you know, sour salty delly twist like you,

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Speaker 3: thank you.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you that one as a mashup.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a total mashup and it's different.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you did pique my interests.

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Speaker 3: So I did see, so it was like a good mashup. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 3: I'll give you if there is such a.

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Speaker 2: Thing, you got to get a second. I got something ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: I got lots of things. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now, you know, sometimes like you'll be telling me a

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Speaker 2: story about a criminal robbing someone, and sometimes like their

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Speaker 2: target's actually kind of disappointing. It's like, come on, they

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Speaker 2: don't deserve that, yeah right. And then other time you'll

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Speaker 2: tell me a story about a criminal robbing someone and

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Speaker 2: I'm like, hell, yeah, do it again, right, And sometimes

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Speaker 2: the criminals do exactly that. Oh, Elizabeth, today, I'd like

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Speaker 2: to tell you about the strange saga of the Rustborough house.

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Speaker 4: Okay, this is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about absurd and

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Speaker 4: outrageous capers.

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Speaker 2: Heis and cons it's always ninety nine percent murder free

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Speaker 2: and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Goutted pickles.

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Speaker 2: You're still on that always will be, Elizabeth. I was

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Speaker 2: inspired somewhat by you for this.

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Speaker 3: Story, were you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, You've told me some great stories about Baker Street, Bacon,

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Speaker 2: Patton Gardens. Right, some of those guys I remember that

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Speaker 2: they were. You know, they break into security deposit boxes,

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Speaker 2: and you tell me, like these hard men, right, they

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Speaker 2: find all sorts of salacious evidence inside those security deposit boxes. Right,

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Speaker 2: I'm talking like photos of royals doing dark deeds. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I got a story for you, it has nothing to

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Speaker 2: Noose, there are no security deposit boxes.

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Speaker 3: Do you remember when you all these things?

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Speaker 2: But there are embarrassed royals.

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 2: I like that, right, Okay, I'm looking out for you

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Speaker 2: some robbed aristocrats like that, and some Irish street criminals.

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Speaker 3: Oh I like that.

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Speaker 2: I don't know these are your interests. Look at me.

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Speaker 2: I'm see I'm reciprocating. Now. The story I want to

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Speaker 2: tell you I told you earlier is it takes place

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Speaker 2: at the Rustborough House. Okay, mostly this is a palatial

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Speaker 2: home that was once belonged to Sir Alfred Bite and

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Speaker 2: his wife, Lady Clementine. Now the pair they purchased their

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Speaker 2: manor home in County Wicklow in Ireland. I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: if you know. Okay, So this is a grand home

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Speaker 2: became home to the family. Sizeable art collection of European masters. Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: Just picture a beautiful home, right, and a home that's

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Speaker 2: just kind of like begging to be robbed. I can

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Speaker 2: see it, or so thought one woman. Her name Elizabeth

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Speaker 2: was Rose Dugdale, Yes, and she was also a product

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Speaker 2: joining the Provisional Irish Republican Army. Yeah right, you know,

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Speaker 2: Now Rose Dugdale, she took a strange path to open

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Speaker 2: lucrative enough for him to own a six hundred acre

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Speaker 2: was called Yardy Farm yaar t y Yarty farm ARTI

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Speaker 2: Of course, that's where Rose was raised and educated. And

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Speaker 2: this home was in Kensington in West London. Right now.

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Speaker 2: Rose she attended a school for girls, as was the

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Speaker 3: Wait, miss Ironside, Oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: Miss Ironsides. And get this, I don't know how this

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Speaker 2: in Virginia Ironside said quote, everyone adored this generous, clever

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Speaker 2: right now, Elizabeth. And people ask me like, what's Elizabeth Like,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, well, she is life and laughter.

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Speaker 3: Yeah I am you really are? I really am?

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Speaker 2: So Rose. What happens next for her after missus Ironside

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Speaker 2: Oh smart cookie, this one, right, Rose. She studies economics, politics, philosophy.

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Speaker 2: This fires up her mind, reframes how she sees the world,

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Speaker 2: and soon enough she's acting out. She's getting into student

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Speaker 3: You can be a student there, but she can't go.

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Speaker 2: If you're a female student, you can't go to instead

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Speaker 2: of the Oxford Union. It's like a like a gentleman's club. Basically, sure,

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Speaker 2: But so's she's like, you you know me, she goes

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Speaker 2: that's with kind of like She's like, I'm not going

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Speaker 2: Somehow she manages to, I imagine, through the influence of

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Speaker 2: on philosophy, gets a master's degree. Her graduate thesis, if

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Speaker 2: you were curious, Elizabeth was examining the thinking of Ludwig

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Speaker 2: So anyway, doomed by her father's testimony, in her own

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a daring daytime arraid. Rose calls it the

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Speaker 2: She's officially a wanted revolutionary. She did it, She done,

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Speaker 2: Now you know how we always talk about how you

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Speaker 3: Well, and don't forget too that whatever you fence it

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Speaker 2: pleads that she was quote proudly and incorruptibly guilty. Well,

431
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,399
Speaker 2: at this time she catches a real prison sentence nine

432
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 2: years Right, when her sentence is read aloud, the now

433
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:20,040
Speaker 2: thirty three year old revolutionary raises a defiant fist. And

434
00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:21,680
Speaker 2: keep in mind this is all happening around the same

435
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,399
Speaker 2: time as Patty Hurst is in America. So the British

436
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 2: and American press are both conflating these two stories. They're like,

437
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,160
Speaker 2: what is going on with heiresses? Why are the rich

438
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:31,400
Speaker 2: women so unhappy?

439
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:31,720
Speaker 4: Right?

440
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 2: So, at this point, just to give you a little

441
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 2: update on her, Rose Dougdale is free. She's made a

442
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,200
Speaker 2: life for herself outside of prison. She helps other inmates,

443
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,879
Speaker 2: four brand mates. She's done a lot, right, but she

444
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 2: will rarely and if she can avoid it, never talk

445
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,880
Speaker 2: about the bomb tossing, helicopter, hijacking, arts, stealing radical.

446
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,960
Speaker 3: Pass So she doesn't. Does she still work for you know,

447
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 3: socialifications in the island.

448
00:21:54,760 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 2: I don't know. She's English played at it. It's a

449
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,400
Speaker 2: theoretical fight for her so, but she did give an

450
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 2: interview in twenty twelve to the Irish outlet RTE and

451
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,679
Speaker 2: Rose Dougdale said she had no regrets. Oh well, that's

452
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 2: so she's still down for the costs. And now she

453
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 2: also added, and I quote, you mustn't forget. It was

454
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 2: a very exciting times. The world looked as if it

455
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 2: could change, it was likely to be changed, and whoever

456
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 2: you were, you could play a part in that. So

457
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 2: you know, gotta give her that fired up.

458
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 3: It was an exciting time. She didn't have a boot

459
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 3: on her neck. It was playing revolutionary exactly.

460
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,120
Speaker 2: So let's take a little break and wait, get back.

461
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 2: We'll return to the Rustborough House for another robbery of

462
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,879
Speaker 2: their great art collection, because for some reason, the IRA

463
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 2: regulars seemed to love to rob old Lord Alfred and

464
00:22:44,400 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 2: Lady Clementine back in two and two. Oh, Elizabeth, we're back.

465
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 3: We're ready to.

466
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 2: Dip into the Roustborough House, totally ready. I need to

467
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 2: tell you about the owner.

468
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 3: Did you google street view this place?

469
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:19,880
Speaker 2: I did. I looked at the outside, but I didn't

470
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 2: drive around all the streets outside of it. It's a

471
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 2: man or home. It's like outside of town.

472
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:26,479
Speaker 3: I didn't try and look at them.

473
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 2: I looked at the fields, I looked at the home.

474
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 3: I'm trying to go around the back and look.

475
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 2: In from different streets. It's a manor home. You're looking

476
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 2: across the Silds.

477
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:35,919
Speaker 3: Some of us like to do some research.

478
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, do your own research, Elizabeth. So

479
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 2: these owners of this home, Lord Alford and Lady Clementine, Clementine,

480
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,360
Speaker 2: I need to tell you about my darling, about them,

481
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 2: But first to give you a little bit of perspective,

482
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 2: let me tell you about her cousins, the Mitford sisters.

483
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 2: I found them because I was research, Elizabeth. So her

484
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 2: cousins flow back in the day, there was this man

485
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 2: who was named Lord Reddisdale or Ridsdale, and that was

486
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 2: the name bestowed on him. His government name was David

487
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 2: Freeman Mitford. Okay, right now. This cat had a wife

488
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 2: named Sidney, just like the city in Australia. She spelled it. No,

489
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 2: I with the y. So mister and missus Mitford. They

490
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 2: have six daughters, aka the Mitford sisters. They were quite

491
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 2: a group. Oh yeah, there was Pamela, Diana, Jessica, Deborah,

492
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 2: Nancy and Unity.

493
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 4: No.

494
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 2: But I want to do it on path. There was Pamela,

495
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 2: who was a charming beauty. And there was Nancy, she

496
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 2: became a best selling novelist. Yes, there was Deborah, she

497
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 2: married well, she became the Duchess of Devonshire. There was Diana,

498
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 2: she didn't marry as well. She was betrothed to the

499
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 2: British fascist leader, Sir Oswald Mosley. That's four of the

500
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 2: Midford sisters. There was also Jessica. She went the other way.

501
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 2: She became a rabid communist. She eloped and ran off

502
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 2: to Spain to fight in the Spanish Civil War.

503
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 3: No way.

504
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 2: And finally Elizabeth there was Unity Valkyrie. Coincidentally, she was

505
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 2: born in Alaska, in a mining town called Swastika, Alaska.

506
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Speaker 3: What unity? Oh God?

507
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 2: Born in Alaska?

508
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 3: Did she have tiny hands?

509
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 2: I guess she saw her birthplace as a sign because

510
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 2: she grew up to become obsessed with Adolf Hitler. She

511
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 2: hung out with him one hundred and forty different occasions.

512
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 2: She was a full on Hitler groupie. Yeah. So that's

513
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 2: the Midford Sisters British aristocracy if you can believe it.

514
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 2: Not just Nancy, but four of these sisters wrote best

515
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 2: selling books, none of them going into prison. They didn't

516
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 2: even say time. Yeah, I know. But the Midford Sisters

517
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 2: where they were by all reports, beautiful, charming, wickedly funny,

518
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 2: loan de fascism. But the Midford Sisters had a cousin

519
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 2: named Clementine bite or that would be her married name.

520
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 2: But she was also wealthy, beautiful, charming, etcetera, etcetera. Right,

521
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 2: her cousins referred to her as one of quote London's

522
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 2: ten most elegant women. I didn't make the top twenty

523
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 2: to cousin Clementine, right, was closest with Unity, the Hitler groupie,

524
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 2: and in fact Unity Midford once played host to cousin

525
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 2: Clementine in Berlin. That's where they gathered with throngs of

526
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 2: others in the streets of Berlin to see the Fury

527
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 2: drive past. Unity urged her cousin Clementine to waggle a

528
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 2: flagg at her fascist fave.

529
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 3: Right.

530
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 2: A little while later, Lady Clementine personally met Hitler thanks

531
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 2: to Unity. Yeah, yeah, so the girls. They also went

532
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 2: out on dates with it. One night she has a

533
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 2: storm trooper took Clementine out in Berlin to show we're

534
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 2: a good time Elizabeth. But that romance didn't pan out

535
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 2: so throughout the nineteen thirties, As one of Clementine's cousins

536
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 2: joins the communists and runs off to Spain to fight

537
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 2: the fascist, and her other cousin marries the most famous

538
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 2: fascist in Britain and another cousin obsessed about Hitler, it

539
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 2: seemed like Clementine might get caught up in all this

540
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 2: fascist communist cousins things. Elizabeth, you and I we both

541
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 2: love Peaky Blinders. Yes, you remember how the show covers

542
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 2: this period of time, right with Owsley as a character, Yeah, right,

543
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 2: and his wife the one who wants Tommy Shelby. Yeah,

544
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 2: that's Diana Midford, right right, right right? Yeah, sir, you

545
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 2: remember how Tommy Shelby had to work with Churchill to

546
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 2: keep the fascists from taking over the UK from the inside. Yeah,

547
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 2: that's FAE were talking about that group right. Eventually, years later,

548
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 2: cousin Clementine did find herself a husband. His name was

549
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 2: Sir Alfred Bait and interestingly, he was Jewish. She was

550
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 2: just a yeah, did I was. When I was doing

551
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 2: the research, I was very confused, a lot of like,

552
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 2: let me corroborate this, let me go find a third source.

553
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 3: Unity was like the best is yet to come. They

554
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 3: didn't know that's what it meant.

555
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 2: I had no idea. Yeah, so Clementine's fascination with the

556
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 2: fascist likely ended at this point. I'm hoping anyway. Alfred,

557
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 2: Lord Alfred Bite was older, but he was much like Clementine.

558
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 2: He was ultra wealthy, privileged, another member of the British aristocracy. Like,

559
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 2: I think you need to understand this guy. When he

560
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 2: was twenty seven years old, some old rich geezer and

561
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 2: his family croaked a guy, uncle Otto, who was nicknamed

562
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 2: the rand Lord. That's because he was the co founder

563
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: of the De Beer's diamond mining company. Oh whoa yeah,

564
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 2: from him, Sir Alfred inherited his fortune, a vast fortune

565
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 2: of golden obviously, he inherited a super lucrative South African

566
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 2: dye in mind. Yeah, and the de Beer's fortune. So

567
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 2: as a young man he becomes a Conservative Minister of Parliament.

568
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 2: The couple was part of the glitterati of London society.

569
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 2: They buy a home in Kensington Palace Gardens, that neighborhood

570
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 2: we often seem to talk about. Yeah, the street that

571
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 2: they lived on was called Millionaire's Row, right, so that

572
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 2: should give you a sense of their digs. Right, they were,

573
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 2: as you say, violently rich.

574
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 3: That's exactly what they are.

575
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 2: So wow. Right, So Lady Clementine and her husband, Lord Alfred,

576
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: they're chilling with those types of British aristocracy, which is,

577
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 2: as I said, super wild to me. But you know,

578
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 2: because it's that Lord Alfred' Jewish.

579
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 3: But you know, I mean, let's face it, she's she

580
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 3: has been raised in this atmosphere where if you have

581
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 3: enough money, you.

582
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: Know that matters, None of that matter. Yes, that's what

583
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 2: they're all surfing that.

584
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 3: Way, Yeah, completely discussing.

585
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 2: So Lord Alfred and Lady Clementine, they are the wealthiest,

586
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 2: most attractive young couple in London society. They are like

587
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 2: the Bee's knees now together. They were all tight with

588
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 2: the British Royalty of course, right, some of whom were

589
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 2: rumored to be down to see the Nazis prevail in

590
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 2: the late thirties. Yeah, Like, I mean, there was one

591
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 2: the American ambassador to the UK won, Joseph Kennedy. He

592
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 2: was convinced that the Nazis could win and was secretly

593
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 2: working to convince the Brits to you know, kind of

594
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 2: concede to defeat. Let's make this work out now. Being

595
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 2: a Conservative minister of Parliament, Sir Alfred was also friendly

596
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: with the King Edward the eighth at the time, but

597
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 2: this is before he abdicated his throne because he wanted

598
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 2: to marry Wallace Simpsons, the American right. This guy was

599
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 2: also friendly with his replacement, King George the sixth, who

600
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 2: was Queen Elizabeth's father. At this point, World War Two

601
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: breaks out between their two nations because we're at the

602
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 2: late thirties early forties, and the Nazis of course lose

603
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 2: the war, and later when the Yeah Labor Party also

604
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 2: carries the elections in forty five in a landslide, so

605
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 2: Sir Alfred decides it's time to pick up sticks and

606
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 2: get out of the UK. So he and Clementine relocate

607
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 2: to South Africa. Yeah, now down there, he just considers

608
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 2: getting back into politics. But South Africa enacted the apartheid

609
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 2: like laws in nineteen forty eight. Sir Alfred's like, oh,

610
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 2: enough of this, and he and his wife Clementine, they

611
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 2: they relocate, They pick up sticks. They moved to Ireland.

612
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: So this guy always surprises. I's I can get some

613
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 2: of that much right, well, this point they set roots.

614
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 2: They buy a big manor home, a Palladian mansion, and

615
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 2: they name it Russborough House. Their new home is built

616
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: in the style of Venetian mansions of the sixteen hundreds.

617
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 2: That's the Palladian part. I think, big columns out front,

618
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 2: motivated by the Neoclassical revivals that are going on, all

619
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 2: that ancient Greek, ancient Roman architecture. Okay, now that they

620
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 2: got their home, they live out their days there, right,

621
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 2: but intrigue would still find them. Elizabeth Well intrigued in crime.

622
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 2: But first the intrigue. When Lord Bate passed away in

623
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: May of nineteen ninety four, he left his wife in

624
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 2: charge of their vast fortune and also his legacy and

625
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 2: his trove of secrets, because trust he had plenty of those.

626
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 3: Did he have like open this box when I die?

627
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 5: Oh?

628
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 2: Yeah? So he left a will because he's mad rich,

629
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 2: of course he leaves a will. And in his will

630
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 2: he had all these stipulations about what to do with

631
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,479
Speaker 2: his wealth, his possessions, his homes, blah blah blah. It's

632
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 2: fabulous art collection. But also he had a stipulation that

633
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 2: carried over to win years later. In two thousand and

634
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 2: five Lady Clementine passed. It showed up in her will.

635
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 2: She of course also has a will because you know,

636
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 2: this is one of the richest women in the UK, right,

637
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,479
Speaker 2: So her will had this one notable stipulation about her

638
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 2: husband's old diaries from the war years. Lady Clementine's will

639
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 2: stipulated that the diary remain under lock and key until

640
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 2: exactly twenty one years after the death of Queen Elizabeth,

641
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 2: or until seventy years after Lady Bates death, which ever occurred. First, okay,

642
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 2: since she died in two thousand and five, twenty one

643
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 2: years after Queen Elizabeth, who died in twenty twenty two,

644
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 2: So in twenty forty three we'll get to learn whatever

645
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 2: was in those diaries. Oh right, why all the secrecy?

646
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 2: Is it something to do with the fascist members of

647
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 2: the British Royalty.

648
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 3: I'm going to guess, yeah.

649
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 2: Perhaps King Edward the aighthy British Canyon we talked about.

650
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 2: He was said to be a fascist sympathizer and like

651
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 2: I looked into him and for his honeymoon, he and

652
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 2: Wallace Simpson, they toured Nazi Germany for their honeymoon.

653
00:31:58,840 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 3: For their honeymoon.

654
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, so clearly this family, Lord Alfred and Lady Clementine,

655
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 2: they were not only violently wealthy, but they also had

656
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 2: huge world changing secrets and they're not releasing them.

657
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 4: So it is.

658
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 2: The Irish newspaper, The Sunday Independent noted and I quote,

659
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 2: the only conclusion that can be drawn from Lady bates

660
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: Will is that the diaries have been suppressed to avoid

661
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 2: causing the queen embarrassment during her lifetime. Well she's dead

662
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: and apparently twenty one years beyond that, so anyway, Elizabeth.

663
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 3: On they figure let Charles run his course too.

664
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess you've come across this issue with security

665
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: deposit robbers, right, who found indiscrete images of naked royals

666
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 2: and cocaine royals or whatever. Well, what do you think

667
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 2: was in those diaries? Like what dirty tales of British

668
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 2: royals could be in those pages other than them being fascist?

669
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 2: Is there anything that the warriors? Yeah, from the thirties too,

670
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I don't know. Now. I was trying to imagine,

671
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: like what else would it be, like, is there anything else?

672
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, is it like some Epstein stuff?

673
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 6: Oh?

674
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 2: Yeah? Also I was thinking like some Kubrick eyes wide

675
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: shut stuff, but then you got all masks on who cares.

676
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So I feel like it's gonna it'll have

677
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 3: to be like Nazis.

678
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 2: I think it has to be that. Yeah, just like

679
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 2: Nazi parties or something. They're like walking around like in

680
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 2: like swastika sashes or something.

681
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 3: You don't think about it. It's just like the turmoil

682
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 3: that that England went through and the UK went through completely.

683
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 2: And yeah, to be like to know that the leaders

684
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 2: were like, oh we don't care.

685
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 3: Which they all everyone I guess kind of knew, but

686
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 3: like to have the confirmation. Yeah, yeah, right, yeah, I

687
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 3: think that's it.

688
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 2: So once this period of trustee care in Sir Alford's

689
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 2: diaries will be handed over to the National Library of Ireland,

690
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 2: so I'm hoping they will take the opportunity to embarrass

691
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 2: the British royal family.

692
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 6: That's just me.

693
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 3: If the IRA are going to steal something, hello, I.

694
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 2: Know right, well this one they already got it to

695
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 2: the trustees. So well that's the intrigue. Next comes the crime. Now,

696
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 2: first we had Rose Dugdale's robbery of Sir Alford and

697
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 2: Lady Clementine's prize Dark collection well that wasn't the only

698
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 2: time that someone decided to rob the Lord and lady. Right.

699
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: First came the IRA, Next came some IRA adjacent Irish gangsters. Right,

700
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 2: They're like, yeah, that's a mighty fine idea. Don't mind

701
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 2: if I do. Now we'll take a little break and

702
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 2: after these messages, I'll tell you about how crime comes

703
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 2: back to the Roustboro House. All right, Elizabeth, we're back

704
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 2: sarn Okay. Now, I know we had to kick you

705
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 2: through some aristocrats a right, and some of that suff

706
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 2: degree And it wasn't a lot of fun in there

707
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,760
Speaker 2: because like, oh, we got a lot Nazis and fascists

708
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 2: and rich people being violently wealthy. But I just wanted

709
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 2: to set that up for us to rob them some more.

710
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do it.

711
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 2: We're gonna get at it. This Rustboro House is about it.

712
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, they deserve it.

713
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 2: So if folks didn't know it before Rose Dugdale robbed them,

714
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 2: Irish folks certainly knew it after she hit the Rustboro House.

715
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 2: That place home to the most famous private art collection

716
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 2: in Ireland. Right, Elizabeth, I'm talking this home boasted one

717
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty master work paintings, not to mention priceless books,

718
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 2: ob Jeo's dey art, the lush furniture and antiques, which

719
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 2: raises the question after they were robbed, what kind of

720
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 2: security did Sir Alfred and Lady Clementine install at their

721
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 2: palatial And.

722
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 3: I'm sure the jewelry was nuts.

723
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, all of it. That's a great question, Elizabeth.

724
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 2: What kind of security, Yeah, jewry inadequate. Yes. According to

725
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 2: Deirdre Rossum, the administrator of Rustboro House, she has claimed

726
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 2: that the manor home was quote a very sophisticated, up

727
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 2: to date security system. But the house is in a

728
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 2: rural area and it is open to the public. If

729
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 2: a gang is really determined to rob the house, it

730
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 2: is very difficult to deal with them.

731
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 3: Oh, so it's open to the So they don't have

732
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 3: the money to keep it running. They do to it.

733
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 2: They do the whole thing.

734
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

735
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 2: At this point, at this point, like late the later period,

736
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,959
Speaker 2: they lived there for many years. Yeah, they started getting robbed.

737
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: They were like, what's not live in the museum that's

738
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 2: getting robbed all the time. At this point, though, I

739
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 2: should introduce you to Dublin crime boss Martin Cahill Street

740
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 2: name the General, the General. Yes, he was known as

741
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 2: Ireland's most colorful crook. I've never been there to Ireland,

742
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 2: but I have to imagine that that is not an

743
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 2: easy title to claim.

744
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 3: I wouldn't think so.

745
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 2: Lots of contenders each year for Ireland's most colorful Crook.

746
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 2: That's just my take. I mean nothing. I'm not casting stones,

747
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 2: I gave anything. I'm applaud yew I've.

748
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 3: Been there, but I'm just I don't know the criminal elements.

749
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know you don't go seeking out what I know.

750
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 2: So you to get a better sense of the General

751
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 2: Martin Khill, Elizabeth, I'd like you to picture a man

752
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 2: who's heavy set, bald, loves his Harley Davidson Hoggs. But

753
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: he's also a bird lover who loves pigeons. He's got

754
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 2: a real obsession with pigeons. The General is a complex man, Elizabeth,

755
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 2: but he looks like a brute. Now. By the time

756
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: Rose Dugdale grew up to be an active revolutionary in

757
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 2: the early seventies, meanwhile, Martin Cahill had already been identified

758
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 2: by the guard Ae the Irish Police detectives as a

759
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 2: quote major criminal.

760
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 5: Now.

761
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, around that time, he was mostly a stick up man.

762
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 2: Who robbed armored cars and trucks. By the early eighties,

763
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 2: though he was on the come up, he'd figured out

764
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 2: some stuff right. Due to his increasing profile, he wanted

765
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 2: to get himself some protection. And I don't mean like guns,

766
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 2: he's not an American. Yeah.

767
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 6: No.

768
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 2: Instead for protection for him is I should steal some

769
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: master works of art.

770
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 3: Oh, bargaining chip, Yeah, exactly.

771
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 2: That's why he targeted the Rostborough House. He wanted bargaining

772
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,720
Speaker 2: chips or like you know, or twelve of them, something

773
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 2: to trade if he ever felt the walls kind of

774
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 2: closing in or he and his crew wanted to make that.

775
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 3: That's a common you know, we've talked about it. That's

776
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 3: a common reason to steal the art is to have it.

777
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 3: I didn't know.

778
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like European thieves are big on this.

779
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 3: This is a moo.

780
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: So eventually the Fateful Night arrives. It's May nineteen eighty six.

781
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 2: But rather than me tell you about Elizabeth, I'd like.

782
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,720
Speaker 7: You to close your eyes as a clip, I would

783
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 7: like you to picture it. It's May nineteen eighty six,

784
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 7: a cold night in Ireland, and you, Elizabeth, are a

785
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 7: raccoon just enjoying the dark and quiet outside the Palladian

786
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 7: mansion sitting there outside the town of Blessington in the

787
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 7: County Wicklow in Ireland. You see, Elizabeth, you live in

788
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 7: the woods outside the Rospborough House. It's a neoclassical home

789
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 7: that stands presently proud against the dark. But the stillness

790
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 7: of the night is shattered when a small pane of

791
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 7: glass in a French window is punched out and lands

792
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 7: on the tile floor of a greenhouse. A gloved hand

793
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 7: pushes into the open pane of the French window and

794
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 7: unlocks it, opening it, a thief steps inside the home.

795
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 7: He's followed by another, and then another. It's gonna be

796
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 7: an interesting night, Elizabeth. Being a raccoon, you stay outside.

797
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 7: You then hear a burglar alarm sound, and you see

798
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 7: the three burglars come racing back out. One stops and eases.

799
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 2: The French window back, shutting. Now fully curious, you PLoP

800
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 2: down and you watch these three burglars. They're wearing hoodies

801
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 2: and balaklava face masks, and you watch them gamble and

802
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 2: run and then hide in the bushes. Curious. You think

803
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 2: they don't make a run for it. Huh. They lay

804
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 2: low and hang out near you, and they hide in

805
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 2: the thicket of bushes. Not too long later, cops from

806
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 2: the Guardo do indeed arrive. They give the place a

807
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 2: quick once over with their flashlights. They know Lord Alfred

808
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 2: and Lady Clementine are not at home. After their cursory check,

809
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 2: the cops decide must be a false alarm. They get

810
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 2: back in their car, drive off Elizabeth. You and presumably

811
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 2: the burglars watch them leave. Once again, it's all still

812
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 2: and quiet. Cut to one hour later, the burglars re

813
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 2: emerge from the bushes, waking you up from your little snooze.

814
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 2: You crane your head to see what the noise is

815
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 2: and you see one of the thieves run out of

816
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 2: the purple light of the coming dawn. A moment later

817
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: he comes back. He's now driving a dark green suv.

818
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 2: It's a Mitsubishi Pajero if you're into that sort of thing.

819
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 2: The driver backs it up close to the Rostborough house.

820
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 2: The two other robbers put into place a homemade battered ramp,

821
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 2: and then they step out of the way. The driver

822
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 2: revs the engine of the suv. Then he drops it

823
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 2: in a reverse and floors it. The Mitsubishi Pahio zooms backward.

824
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 2: It races towards a grand set of stairs leading up

825
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 2: to a set of great windows. Watch with delight as

826
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 2: the Mitsubishi Pajaros sort of bounces up the stairs backwards

827
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 2: and then slams into the great windows, crash her through

828
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 2: the shutters cover the window. The wood splinters, then crashes

829
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 2: through the glass of the great windows that shatters with

830
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 2: a most pleasing symphony of tinkling glass yards the Mitsubies.

831
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 2: She comes to a crashing halt inside the home. The

832
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 2: other two burglars are stunned, but they run up to

833
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 2: the house and inside the gang moves fast. They grab

834
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 2: two masterpieces by Rubens, the Portrait of a Dominican Monk

835
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 2: and Venus supplicating Jupiter, and then they goes really shopping.

836
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 2: They cut out seventeen works of art from their frames.

837
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,919
Speaker 2: They pile them all on the thick rug and roll

838
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: them up, and they ease them back out of the house.

839
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 2: On their way. They also grab some ojsa art and

840
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,919
Speaker 2: some priceless little knickknacks just for the kicks. Whole job

841
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 2: last fifty seconds if the burglars load the paintings into

842
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 2: the Mitsubishi Paho and take off back down the grand staircase,

843
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 2: the Mitzi bees. She takes the beating like a box

844
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,760
Speaker 2: in the champ the mitsib She drives across a field,

845
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 2: then another, and another before they finally reach a paved

846
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 2: road where the wheels grip the black top and it

847
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: zooms off, disappearing into the early morning.

848
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 3: So there you go.

849
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 2: That was how they managed to break in. Just back

850
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 2: at right. I wanted to know so much about the

851
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 2: ram prow because I heard it described a number of times.

852
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 2: I didn't find a picture. I like to find a

853
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 2: picture of it so I can really big. It's imagine

854
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 2: like like almost like railroad ties and stuff like you know,

855
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: heavy metal, yeah, exactly, wrapped around some kind of central metal. Yeah,

856
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 2: and then they just run through like a pram or

857
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 2: a prow or like. Yeah. Anyway, thanks to the fact

858
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 2: that there was a loan security guard for this incredible

859
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 2: art collection and the guy was in his seventies and

860
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 2: he was on the other wing of the mansion, the

861
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 2: thieves get away. Now the police, you think they're gonna arrive, right,

862
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 2: they've already been there. But this is a patrol car

863
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 2: issue because the closest station is in the sound of Blessington,

864
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 2: but it's closed at night, so there's just one district

865
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 2: patrol car for the area, and that district patrol car

866
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 2: is center twenty six kilometers away in another town. Right.

867
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 2: The point is, by the time the cops arrived, burglars

868
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 2: or long goal, yeah, Martin Khill gang is able to

869
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 2: escape with roughly thirty million Irish pounds worth of stolen art. Remember,

870
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 2: their original plan was that they would trade the painting

871
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 2: as chits, as bargaining chips with the police. Should they

872
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 2: ever feel that the police are getting close to catching them,

873
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 2: work god forbid, actually arrest them. But then the General

874
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 2: Martin Cahill, he seems, you know, once he has the paintings,

875
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 2: he changes his mind. He's like, I don't know if

876
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 2: we should just give these back to the police so quick.

877
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,439
Speaker 2: Yeah that maybe, you know, due to all the heat

878
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 2: they were catching at the time. There's this massive international

879
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 2: manhunt for the burglars of Rustborough House, right, and the

880
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 2: police they're good, Right, they start to like get on

881
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: it and they recover a couple of the paintings that

882
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 2: have been sold off, like the early ones. They're just

883
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 2: trying to make some money. They get found in the UK.

884
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 2: Some other paintings get found in Belgium, so at this

885
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 2: point there are other master works of art on the market,

886
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 2: the black market, if you will. The General starts pushing

887
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 2: him out for resale because he's gotten a couple and

888
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 2: they've already been claimed. He's like, I don't care, not

889
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: that he's founded us yet. Right, He's like, let's go big.

890
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 2: So cut to Turkey, the country, not the bird. Martin

891
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 2: Khill coordinates with paramilitary operatives in Turkey and he's like,

892
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 2: let's sell this, right, I got some O Jazz Day art.

893
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 2: So he has his crew go over with a a

894
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 2: Metsu miniature, right. And so the trouble was for these

895
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 2: three paramilitary surrogates, other than the fact they didn't really

896
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 2: know what a Metsu miniature was. They show up for

897
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 2: the sale of this Metsu miniature. The Metsu miniature is

898
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 2: basically like a lithograph. It's a tiny little sketch drawing. Right,

899
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 2: So I'm framed.

900
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 3: I'm like these Irish dudes, I don't know what this exactly.

901
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 2: So they just grabbedal like this has got to be

902
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 2: worth something. To look at that gilded frame. It's tiny,

903
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 2: it must be worth something. If it's on the walls here,

904
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 2: so they're trying to like push this thing, like, look,

905
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 2: it's tiny. They can put it on a table and

906
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:53,479
Speaker 2: show it to someone.

907
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 3: Right.

908
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 2: So, of course these guys who they meet are actually

909
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,720
Speaker 2: undercover Turkish police. They are so out of their element,

910
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 2: may get caught arrested. So so much for that route.

911
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 2: Luckily for the General it doesn't trace back to him really.

912
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 2: Now by this point though, twelve of the nineteen stolen

913
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 2: paintings have been recovered by the police. They are just

914
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 2: catching up by all of them, but they cannot manage

915
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 2: to get back to k Hill. Also, they catch though

916
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,439
Speaker 2: obviously some of the ogs the arts. Now the police says,

917
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 2: as they said, they're trying depended on the General, but

918
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 2: they cannot find They can't find anyone who'll rat him out,

919
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 2: Like no one will turn on this guy. That may

920
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,439
Speaker 2: be because out of like fear, not of him per se.

921
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 2: But if his IRA associates, everyone knows he's down with

922
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 2: the Iras. They're like, oh, I don't even know that guy, right,

923
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: So the guard A detectives they're stubborn elizabe but they're like,

924
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 2: well we love to catch them ourselves. Yeah, So they

925
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 2: keep Martin Cahill under constant, round the clock surveillance eyes

926
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 2: always on him, right, just people at his house, people

927
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 2: at his known like places of visiting. They even give

928
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 2: this dude a code name. They start calling him Tango one, right, yeah, yeah,

929
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 2: And they also call their surveillance team the Tango Squad.

930
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 2: Oh exactly, that a great name for a bar tribute team,

931
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: the Tango Squad. He's so confused, like, what's going on anyway?

932
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 2: The police they believe they keep the screws on Tango one.

933
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 2: He'll eventually make a mistake and they'll be there to

934
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 2: catch them. Now, the police operation and their Tango Squad,

935
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 2: they catch the attention of the local Irish media. They're like,

936
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 2: what's going on with the Tango Squad? Right? So a

937
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 2: reporter for urte this dude, Brendan O'Brien. He goes and

938
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 2: he tracks down the general himself. He's like, I'll go

939
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 2: get to the story. And he finds him coming out

940
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 2: of a business right, and the reporter asks him on

941
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 2: camera if he has the stolen artwork from the Rustborough House.

942
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:37,439
Speaker 2: Just as you expect, Oh you caught me, you got

943
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 2: the camera of true. So Martin Cahill tells the reporter

944
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 2: that he's actually a private detective. You see. He's like, yeah,

945
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 2: and he's and he's working on the case. Yeah, he

946
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 2: and his mate are on it. And in fact, at

947
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 2: the moment he's quote on standby with Martin Foley to

948
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 2: get those paintings back, right, So Elizabeth, remember that name,

949
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 2: Martin Foley. More on him later. Now. One of the

950
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 2: Tango Squad detectives, Jerio Caro, Right, he works with surveillance

951
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 2: detail on Khill. He studies his prey, he studies his motivations,

952
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 2: and he comes to the conclusion that the General hated

953
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,479
Speaker 2: the State of Ireland because of what happened to him

954
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 2: as a child in reform school, because he'd been beaten

955
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 2: apparently in reform school and abused. And so he decides

956
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 2: that this is quote carrying out a spectacular, was his revenge.

957
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 2: All right, I'm into that. And that's the thing that

958
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 2: the cops hated was that the General had gotten away

959
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 2: with his criminal spectacular. He got his revenge. So he's like,

960
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 2: we can't have that. So Elizabeth, you and I we

961
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 2: often cover. The state has like an advantage in crime.

962
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 2: They've got more people, more patients, more resources, more money

963
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 2: than any criminals can muster other than like the cartels.

964
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 2: So the guard, the detectives, they keep that pressure on him.

965
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 2: They know that they have the advantage, like, look, we're

966
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 2: the casino, you're the gambler. Enough time, we will take you.

967
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 2: So the general he doesn't like this. He doesn't like

968
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 2: being surveiled all night. He knows that what they're doing

969
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 2: is going to win, like a boa constructor crushing him.

970
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 2: So he decides he's going to start breaking out right,

971
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 2: he can't have all this surveillance. He's getting in the

972
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 2: way of him doing his scores. So he starts to

973
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 2: leave the house, but then they follow him. He can't

974
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 2: go anywhere without a police tail, so this cat and

975
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 2: mouse game. Eventually he's like, okay, I'm at to bring

976
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: in my wife. That's the only way of getting out

977
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 2: of the house. So he has his wife try to

978
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 2: drive him. He'll lean back in the seat. Oh right,

979
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 2: cops r onto that one. He's like, Okay, what if

980
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 2: I hide in the trunk of the car, you drive

981
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 2: to the grocery store and then I'll get out at

982
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 2: the grocery store. That doesn't work, so he's like, how

983
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 2: am I going to do this eventually. Apparently one day

984
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 2: he's got like some business to handle, so he tries

985
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 2: like a speeding escape. So what he does is he

986
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 2: runs it out, hops on his Harley, fires it up,

987
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 2: and roars off into traffic as fast as he can.

988
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 2: It works, He's able to shake his surveillance Harley. I

989
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 2: don't know how. It's one of his rare successes to

990
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 2: tango won though. Is getting frustrated Elizabeth right cause, But ultimately,

991
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 2: I hate to mislead you, none of that matters, because

992
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 2: eventually his own criminality becomes his undoing, not the police,

993
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 2: the general. He reaches out to the Ulster Volunteer Force

994
00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 2: to sell off the remaining.

995
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 3: Paintings he has hidden.

996
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 2: You were right on it. That was a mistake a

997
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 2: huge mistake. And you know why the IRA associated gangster

998
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 2: has reached out to their enemy to do business with

999
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:11,919
Speaker 2: them and save his own skin.

1000
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so.

1001
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 2: That move fails him. The IRA catches up to him

1002
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 2: and they're like, Martin, here you have some artwork for sale.

1003
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 2: So Elizabeth, now what would come next would be our

1004
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 2: one percent? So I won't get into that, but you

1005
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 2: get the idea. Interestingly, Martin Cahill was the very last

1006
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 2: victim of IRA violence before they signed the Good Friday

1007
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 2: Peace Treaty in nineteen ninety eight. He was their last.

1008
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 2: So now Elizabeth the next time the Rustboro House gets robbed. Yeah, hey,

1009
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 2: that's right. The Rustboro House is robbed for a third time.

1010
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 2: The year is two thousand and one. The third robber

1011
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 2: also has a legendary gnom do crime. His government name

1012
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 2: Martin Foley, his street name the Viper.

1013
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 3: The Viper.

1014
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 2: So remember I told you remember that name? Yeah, he

1015
00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 2: comes back into it. I'd give you a sense of

1016
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 2: this guy, Martin Foley. He looks like Bill the Butcher

1017
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 2: from gangs in New York with the handle mustache and

1018
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 2: they got it turned up at the ends. He has

1019
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 2: that same kind of greasy look, but also like Bill

1020
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 2: the Butcher. Multiple people have tried to kill this man. Okay,

1021
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,439
Speaker 2: the Viper has survived six attempts on his life.

1022
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 3: Oh wow.

1023
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 2: He's also one of Martin Cahill's most loyal captains from

1024
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 2: his old street gang. Interesting, so he'd been in the

1025
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 2: crew back in the day. He was part of the

1026
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 2: original robbery with the General, and then he'd also been

1027
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 2: under surveillance back then because he was part of the

1028
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 2: original Thrill Too. Remember he said, me and Martin we

1029
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 2: were gonna we're on the case. Well, he was his

1030
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 2: right hand right, so we had tango too. The Viper

1031
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 2: when he was Tango too, got heated just like the General,

1032
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 2: but he was even more of like a I have

1033
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,479
Speaker 2: no impulse control kind of criminal. So he punched a cop.

1034
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 2: He broke the CoP's jaws. Oh god, yeah, he came

1035
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 2: out of his house threatening another cop, but not just

1036
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 2: like with his fist. He had a loaded crossbow. Across

1037
00:49:56,120 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 2: load and crossbows. I don't even know. I love the

1038
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 2: UK and Irish crime because it's always like and then

1039
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 2: he came out naked with a crossbossh. So cut to

1040
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 2: years later, you know, because I want to get to

1041
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,240
Speaker 2: the revenge he wants to get for his fallen boss,

1042
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 2: which is kind of odd because I don't know why

1043
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 2: he's so loyal to Martin Khill. Because the Viper he

1044
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 2: gets locked up for breaking that CoP's jaw. He ends

1045
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 2: up doing a couple of years, and his old buddy

1046
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 2: Martin Cahill thinks that he might be an informer now,

1047
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 2: so he puts out a jail house hit on the Viper,

1048
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 2: which was ultimately unsuccessful and really strained their friendship. But

1049
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 2: he survived, and so when he gets out, he wants

1050
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 2: to get revenge for Martin getting popped. Right, So the

1051
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 2: Viper goes back and he hits the Rustborough House again.

1052
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 2: Or perhaps he just knew it was an easy score,

1053
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 2: and either way he wanted some hits of his own.

1054
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 2: But whatever, he goes back Elizabeth of June of two

1055
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,399
Speaker 2: thousand and one. The gang busts into the palatial home,

1056
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 2: the one with terrible security, and they managed to steal

1057
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 2: just two master works. One is Aainsborough's painting Madame Baccelli.

1058
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 2: The other painting is Beloto's View of Florence. Yes, it's

1059
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,720
Speaker 2: really nice paintings. Now side note, this is the third

1060
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 2: time these two exact paintings have been stolen. They've been

1061
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 2: involved in all the prior recoveries and they've been recovered

1062
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 2: and stolen again.

1063
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 3: Oh my god, the adventures, the things those paintings have seen.

1064
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 2: I'm telling you a View of Florence, view of the

1065
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 2: underside of London and possibly Istanbul. Anyway, you see, the

1066
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 2: viper he wants these paintings for himself, So what does

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00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 2: he do oh just for his house, just well just

1068
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 2: he wants them. He just wants to own them, hold them,

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00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 2: have them, being able to pet them and look at people.

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00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 2: And these are minds. So he steals them because that's

1071
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 2: what he can't buy them. So this criminal mastermind, he

1072
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 2: has the exact same plan as Rose Dugdale and his man,

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00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 2: the General Martin Cahill. The viper plans to trade these

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00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 2: famous paintings for freedom because he's also under surveillance throughout

1075
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 2: his criminal career. So back to Detective Jerry O'Carroll, he

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00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 2: confessed that such trades are sometimes made by the police

1077
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 2: where they will do this. And he's now a retired

1078
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 2: detective so he's speaking a little more freely. He said,

1079
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 2: and I quote dales are done all the time. Let's

1080
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 2: be honest about it. The baked paintings are stolen for

1081
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 2: bargaining chips. The thieves know that they can't offload them,

1082
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 2: but when they are caught with drugs or facing charges

1083
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 2: an armed robbery, they can use the paintings for bartarin

1084
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 2: to Irish form of plea bargaining. I gotta say the

1085
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 2: Irish are so cool, even if I can't do their

1086
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 2: accent not only do they have their own form of exit,

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00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 2: the Irish good Bye, they also have their own form

1088
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 2: of plea bargaining, the Irish art trade to sew into this.

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00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 2: So at this point another man hunt ensues the guard Ay,

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00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 2: they stay on the trail of the viper. Yeah, but

1091
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 2: they do not catch him. But he does make contact

1092
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 2: is he wants to trade the paintings, so the mastermind

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00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 2: he offers the cops that stolen artwork in exchange for

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00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 2: his freedom. The guard a listen, They consider it, and

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00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 2: they manage to recover a painting from him after their communication.

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00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 2: But it isn't one of the paintings the viper's stole. Instead,

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00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 2: it's a Ruben's master work that the General Martin K.

1098
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 2: Hill stole in the original, one of the unrecovered artworks.

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00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 2: He's like, that's right here, you go, just kind of

1100
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 2: put it in their face. So some cop watchers assume

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00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 2: that it was the viper who told the police where

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00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 2: to find his former bosses stolen artwork because of this right,

1103
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 2: that it was part of his deal for his freedom,

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00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 2: because you know, you obviously you can't keep the paintings,

1105
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 2: but I wish I could tell you if he actually,

1106
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 2: you know what he did with these stolen paintings, but

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00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 2: I don't know because they never charged him. He was

1108
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 2: the primary suspect for two robberies of the Rustban House,

1109
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 2: and none other time does he get busted for it.

1110
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 2: The Viper aka Martin Foley, he manages to stay out.

1111
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 2: He gets busted on other crimes, but not on the rusper. Yeah,

1112
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 2: but this is obviously not the end of his legendary

1113
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,760
Speaker 2: criming career, because two years later, at his wife's funeral,

1114
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 2: a newspaper snaps a photo of this elusive the viper. Yeah,

1115
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 2: the invasion of privacy causes the viper, the man with

1116
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 2: absolutely no impulse control, to place a bomb under the

1117
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:55,879
Speaker 2: car of the photo journalist told me, you get it right,

1118
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 2: But once again, the bomb was a phony. It was

1119
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 2: just to scare the guy, a joke. I guess. She's like, oh, yeah,

1120
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 2: the clock doesn't even work whatever. So later he has

1121
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 2: to go back to court, you know, and get this Elizabeth.

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00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 2: He may or may not have been selling pot at

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00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 2: the time, but he went to court to sue the

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00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 2: press and to stop media coverage of him. They were

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00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 2: reporting that he was a police informer who paid protection

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00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 2: money to the IRA to sell pot and he's like,

1127
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 2: stop it with the pot right bridge. He said that

1128
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 2: these stories are putting his life at risk. I think

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00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 2: it's the idea that he was selling during protection money. Anyway.

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00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 2: In two thousand and eight, the Viper survives another attempt

1131
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,240
Speaker 2: on his life. He gets shot multiple times while standing

1132
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 2: outside of a health and fitness club in South Dublin.

1133
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 2: Now at present, best I can tell you he is

1134
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,399
Speaker 2: still alive, all right, so you know respect. And he's

1135
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,240
Speaker 2: working in the debt collection business.

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00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 3: Oh that's terrifying.

1137
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,399
Speaker 2: The name of his business is emblazoned on his company van.

1138
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 2: On the side it reads the Viper.

1139
00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I will give people to pay it.

1140
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 2: So there's a what's a ridiculous takeaway?

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00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 3: Here? A ridiculous takeaway? You can avoid all of this

1142
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 3: trouble by not owning a you know, palace somewhere in Europe. Yes,

1143
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,720
Speaker 3: that is I mean, that's why I've never had this trouble.

1144
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,280
Speaker 2: That is true. You've never had an IRA related gangster

1145
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 2: come into your home two times?

1146
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 3: No to steal priceless paintings, now, saren, Yes, what's your

1147
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 3: ridiculous takeaway?

1148
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 2: Well, I don't I don't have one. I never expect

1149
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 2: you to.

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00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 3: Add, well, we told the whole story. There you go.

1151
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 2: No, actually I do have one. To sit back down.

1152
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 2: I think that Rose Dugdale and the Mitford sisters are

1153
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 2: just these ridiculous characters because they're so disconnected from the

1154
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 2: world that they then turn it into like this place

1155
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,439
Speaker 2: of play, but with the most serious and meaningful things.

1156
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 2: Where's the bleeding people? I want to go play there,

1157
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 2: which I find is really interesting. And this is common

1158
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 2: for ultra wealthy, violently rich people, as you would put it,

1159
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 2: to do that to like not see a real thing

1160
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 2: is real.

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00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 3: They're moving at a different level, way above the rest

1162
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 3: of us, And it's like you said that they're playing

1163
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 3: at it and we're placed things and like the big

1164
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 3: things that'll you know, the events and decisions that will

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00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 3: totally change our lives.

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00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 2: For good or for for a generation or two.

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00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't impact them at all. And the crazy it's

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00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:15,839
Speaker 3: crazy to think about that.

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00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 2: Well, it's like having pets. Yeah, you know what I mean.

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00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 2: You guys both need food and water and a home,

1171
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 2: shelter and a lot of similar things. Yeah, but their

1172
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 2: control of resources and their control of manipulation of reality

1173
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:27,800
Speaker 2: and like being able to like, oh I can just

1174
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 2: walk away. I'll just let this pet die and I'll

1175
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:30,919
Speaker 2: go get a new pet. You know, it's like that's there,

1176
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 2: like pets exactly. There you go, shout out to Perry

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00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 2: Farrell or not well for the song, I mean not

1178
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 2: as a person. I'm like to see all we get

1179
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 2: to play. How about this shout out to Porno for

1180
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 2: pyros and there we go, Elizabeth, should we declared the

1181
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 2: air with the talking about please could you hit us

1182
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 2: up at one?

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00:56:51,080 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I like, hi, Saron, Elizabeth, Dave interns.

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00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 6: I heard the episode where you referenced the guy who

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00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 6: called emergency services for his love dull wife. I just

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00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 6: wanted to know if you wanted to hear something even

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00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 6: more ridiculous.

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00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 2: Oh hell, like the.

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00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 6: Guy who was online questioning the paternity of his love

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00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 6: doll children that he bought himself and also gave face

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Speaker 6: tattoos too.

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00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 3: Then he gave face tattoosdays.

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00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 2: Be able to identify them, Elizabeth, those are hie with

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00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 2: the face tattoos.

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00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 3: Oh my god, they didn't have to get like parental

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00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 3: permission slip signed. What was it made out of? Like sharpie? Anyway?

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Speaker 3: That's ridiculous and that's amazing.

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