Speaker 1: Music Saved Me. Welcome to the Music Saved Me Podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Lynn Hoffman, and this is part two
Speaker 1: of Music Saved Me, featuring the legendary iconic Darryl dmc
Speaker 1: McDaniels from Run DMC. We're going to pick up where
Speaker 1: we left off. I was just about to introduce Darryl
Speaker 1: to a rising star in the music world who I
Speaker 1: think is probably going to be a massive star. Let's
Speaker 1: see if Darryl agrees. A couple of weeks ago, I
Speaker 1: had a young man who's a huge rising star in
Speaker 1: my book. His name is Dylan Cartlitch and a couple
Speaker 1: of years well, let me just say, multi instrumentalist from
Speaker 1: the UK a couple of years ago signed a deal
Speaker 1: with Universal. He was raised on all kinds of music,
Speaker 1: but he came up through the foster care system and
Speaker 1: a really really tough life grown up and this young man,
Speaker 1: I don't want to say kid, but I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm old, so anyway means a kid. But he basically
Speaker 1: took lemons and made them lemonade and and and sort
Speaker 1: of beat the odds. And he's so positive and optimistic
Speaker 1: and just amazing. So I was doing my research on
Speaker 1: him and he had the single he just released in November.
Speaker 1: It's called New Day. And so I read all about
Speaker 1: his story and I'm already impressed because he's somehow, at
Speaker 1: his young age, he figured out how to how to
Speaker 1: be optimistic and to turn it around. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: when you're when you're young and hungry. Yeah, maybe you're
Speaker 1: exposed to stuff that you don't necessarily know how to
Speaker 1: understand round pack and then later I could get you.
Speaker 1: But he already sort of went through that, just coming
Speaker 1: through what he went through as as a child, and
Speaker 1: he was taken out of the home away fares stories.
Speaker 2: That's why we started the Feelix organization.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so he and and so I listened to
Speaker 1: his song, and every time I tell my husband this story,
Speaker 1: I start to get teary because I listened to his
Speaker 1: song and I could hear the smile on his face
Speaker 1: and the optimism and the hope and the light and
Speaker 1: all of this stuff, and it just burst into tears.
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking postmenopausal. No, it has to be you know,
Speaker 1: this young man just has it all and that.
Speaker 2: But so they do have it at an early age,
Speaker 2: they do.
Speaker 1: So I said, I finally get him on the show.
Speaker 2: It's bold and he's able to just express him now too.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. And they had this like documentary follow him around.
Speaker 1: He was a waiter at night. He would DJ and
Speaker 1: rap and do hip hop and all this stuff so
Speaker 1: much fun. So I say to him, I think he's
Speaker 1: in his early thirties right now. And I said to him,
Speaker 1: so tell me about your earliest influences and your earliest
Speaker 1: experiences with music. And he started to tell me about
Speaker 1: some of the artists that he listened to, and let
Speaker 1: me just I'm gonna play for you. I have a
Speaker 1: cute up here, are you ready.
Speaker 3: I remember going to my one of my older brothers
Speaker 3: from my you know, adoptive family. I went to one
Speaker 3: of his wedding and I never forget the first time
Speaker 3: that I heard It's Tricky by run DMC.
Speaker 2: I must have.
Speaker 3: I must have been about six years old, right, and
Speaker 3: I was. I was allowed to go to the party
Speaker 3: my brother, you know, it was his wedding, and so
Speaker 3: one of my older brothers like, Okay, we're gonna look
Speaker 3: after you and you can stay till late, so like
Speaker 3: get in no bedtime today, and then that song I
Speaker 3: just requested over and over again and was dancing and
Speaker 3: dancing and dances run.
Speaker 1: DMC was a huge band for me too, So I
Speaker 1: totally I can hear that song right now. It's it's
Speaker 1: okay and then yes, that's d MC. I bet it
Speaker 1: would just make him so thrilled to note that he
Speaker 1: influenced you.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: So can I just say.
Speaker 2: All of it?
Speaker 4: It's all connected, It's so connected, it's all connected.
Speaker 1: Let me can I play this chorus from the song
Speaker 1: for you? Okay? This is this is Dylan?
Speaker 4: Listen, it's a smile.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: I mean just amazing. So as soon as I found
Speaker 1: out coming on this show, won't and that's okay, that's okay.
Speaker 1: Who figures that out? That's amazing. So I'm just curious
Speaker 1: if if I were to beam one Dylan Cartilage with
Speaker 1: his new record deal and all of his amazing music
Speaker 1: in here to ask you a couple of questions, would
Speaker 1: that be okay?
Speaker 2: Yes? Whoa, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: He's standing by in the UK right now, it's like
Speaker 1: seven hours ahead and I offered this, so.
Speaker 2: Look, we have adopted family.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we have a lot of people have more in
Speaker 4: common than we don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you want to bring that over here, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what I was gonna say.
Speaker 4: I do a lot with elementary school kids, and Yellen's
Speaker 4: a prime example of they have all the they have
Speaker 4: all the capabilities and abilities to deal with emotional problems
Speaker 4: early in their lives. But a lot of times we
Speaker 4: do this. Don't think like that, don't talk like that.
Speaker 4: You're too young to talk like that. Now you just
Speaker 4: scarred this kid for life because you just told them
Speaker 4: that that emotion that I was suppressed was the wrong
Speaker 4: thing to have. Yes, So when they get in their
Speaker 4: teens and adolescence, when that same thing comes up for
Speaker 4: them to end because the mom and dad ain't around,
Speaker 4: they're gonna cut, they're gonna drink because they're subconsciously pushing it.
Speaker 4: If they come at you three and four years old,
Speaker 4: you're supposed to send them down and say why are
Speaker 4: you talking like that?
Speaker 2: Where'd you get that?
Speaker 5: And they won't explain it, but we go you're too
Speaker 5: young to talk about that, don't do that anymore. So
Speaker 5: they hold it and when it comes to them later
Speaker 5: or they remember, no, that's the wrong thing. So for
Speaker 5: him to be go through hell, yeah, I was a
Speaker 5: forster kid for five years.
Speaker 2: My brother.
Speaker 4: Once all of this came out, my brother tells me,
Speaker 4: d don't you know if you never asked him that,
Speaker 4: they would have never told you. What happened was my
Speaker 4: birth mother didn't come back to get me. And when
Speaker 4: my brother told me that, I remember this kid named
Speaker 4: Oscar who I thought was my cousin. And I remember
Speaker 4: one day Alfred's telling me Oscar's mother here to gain him.
Speaker 4: I think it's my aunt. I remember the day Oscar left.
Speaker 4: He never came back. He was a foster kid that
Speaker 4: got played because the whole idea is to get you
Speaker 4: back with the family, but a lot of times the
Speaker 4: kids can't go back to the families.
Speaker 2: So there was this other girl. She came.
Speaker 4: I think she probably was like I probably was four,
Speaker 4: she probably was two or three.
Speaker 2: Then she cried all night. I'm talking, and I.
Speaker 4: Remember I was trying to stay off, thinking I was
Speaker 4: going to stay off four to sea.
Speaker 2: I woke up the next morning she was gone.
Speaker 4: But my brother saiddee, there was a lot of people
Speaker 4: you thought you was your cousins. Who the reason why
Speaker 4: he don't see him no more? Those are fussy.
Speaker 2: Kids like you.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 2: So my brother tells me he heard my mother and father.
Speaker 2: This one be in my movie too.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm doing a series because I got so
Speaker 4: much stuff I need to doing.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I got to do a series about this kid.
Speaker 4: But long story short, my father goes to my my
Speaker 4: mother goes to my father.
Speaker 2: There's a true story.
Speaker 4: My brother tells me, I'm in the room playing with
Speaker 4: my toys, and my mama goes.
Speaker 2: What are we going to do with this one? Yeah,
Speaker 2: you hear them? No, I don't hear.
Speaker 4: My brother hears it, and my father goes, you know what,
Speaker 4: I think we're going to adopt this just like this.
Speaker 2: What are we gonna do with this one?
Speaker 4: I think we're going to adopt this one because you
Speaker 4: never know, he might grow up to change the world.
Speaker 1: Oh goosebumps.
Speaker 2: So these kids, no matter how.
Speaker 1: Here's this wonderful, amazing I'm trying to make him bigger.
Speaker 1: Scream here Dylan me Darryl, Hello Dylan DMC. And I
Speaker 1: can't believe I'm not crying.
Speaker 3: Hello DMC?
Speaker 2: How are you? How are you doing? I'm doing good?
Speaker 2: Telling us honor to meet you, man.
Speaker 3: No, the honor is all mine. Link couldn't have explained
Speaker 3: it better. So I yeah, I grew up in the
Speaker 3: foster cair system. I had so many different families that
Speaker 3: I went to stay with. I got it at one
Speaker 3: point and didn't work out. My foster mom is an
Speaker 3: amazing woman. She's fostered over forty six kids. She's had kids,
Speaker 3: and I'm one of those kids. And I was saying
Speaker 3: at my foster brother's wedding, I was only six years old,
Speaker 3: and I somehow managed to beg and plead that I
Speaker 3: could go, and then yeah, one of my brother foster
Speaker 3: brother's friends had to look after me. And it was
Speaker 3: a lovely day. It was obviously all about my foster
Speaker 3: brother getting married, but it was the day that I
Speaker 3: got struck by lightning and discovered hip hop when I
Speaker 3: heard it tricky, and so the whole wedding then became
Speaker 3: about me requesting the DJ to play over again.
Speaker 2: I was dancing.
Speaker 3: It was crazy, but yeah, that's the story.
Speaker 1: Wow, it's only six, like you when you started, you
Speaker 1: were telling me years old.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, that we got a lot in common.
Speaker 4: I was six years old when I heard on the
Speaker 4: Doobie Brothers and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Wow, it's crazy how it goes full circle like that, right,
Speaker 3: And it really set me off on a journey and
Speaker 3: to discovering that music, and although I was only six
Speaker 3: years old, I feel like and it was really hilarious
Speaker 3: because I saw an interview that you did where you
Speaker 3: said that that song was something that you wanted to
Speaker 3: impress Paul McCartney.
Speaker 1: With and kind of like all the white people.
Speaker 3: It's hilarious because my foster family are old white people,
Speaker 3: so young black kid adopted by old white people.
Speaker 1: And even the laughs infections.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: I told Dylan how special you were, and I just
Speaker 1: I could feel him right through the screen, and I
Speaker 1: just I needed to connect you to Dylan. Did you
Speaker 1: have any questions that you wanted to ask Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got a couple of questions, if that's okay, okay.
Speaker 3: One of the questions is you've touched on it a
Speaker 3: little bit, so for me, one of the questions I
Speaker 3: wanted to ask you is a lot of artists struggle
Speaker 3: with identity and belonging. It's kind of like a you know,
Speaker 3: the running joke, the kind of weird kid at the
Speaker 3: back of the class of the NPC making beats and yeah, lap,
Speaker 3: when did you did you have a moment where you
Speaker 3: were like, this is who I want to be as
Speaker 3: an artist, and this is who. Like what I want
Speaker 3: to say, like, what was that eureka moment for you
Speaker 3: in your like in your life, in your career.
Speaker 4: Well, prior to the music, I felt prior to the music,
Speaker 4: I felt like I didn't belong in this universe or whatever.
Speaker 4: But the thing that gave me a place for myself
Speaker 4: was comic books. Because when I was growing up, I
Speaker 4: went to Catholic school, I was a straight A student,
Speaker 4: I woke, I read comic books. So I was this geeky,
Speaker 4: nerdy kid that got teased, bullied and picked on and
Speaker 4: growing up in Hollis Queens. You know, if you ain't
Speaker 4: in the gang, if you ain't selling drugs, if you
Speaker 4: don't steal the bikes, if you don't steal the candy
Speaker 4: bars and stuff like that, if you're not doing what
Speaker 4: everybody else is doing. And I didn't want to do that,
Speaker 4: you fill out a place. So the only time I
Speaker 4: saw geeky, nerdy, awkward, confused people, people who were trying
Speaker 4: to figure life out but were bad, as was the
Speaker 4: comic books. Peter Parker, doctor Bruce Banner and all of
Speaker 4: these guys were educated. But even Clark Kent had to
Speaker 4: play clumsy and stuff like that even though he was Superman.
Speaker 4: So my Eureka moment was when hip hop came along.
Speaker 2: Like I was telling you, Lynn, I can't.
Speaker 4: Yo, I'm gang banging, and I'm Darryl Meck you know more,
Speaker 4: I don't do that. So with the same confidence that
Speaker 4: people was expressing a false sense of power in a
Speaker 4: negative way, I said, I'm gonna take my family in
Speaker 4: school and wearing glasses and eating chicken and colic greens,
Speaker 4: And with the same attitude enthusiasm that they brag about
Speaker 4: all of this rough, so called rough negative stuff, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna talk about, you know, going to Saint John's University
Speaker 4: and my mother and father in the same way. So
Speaker 4: when I'm trying to say, Dylan, my secret is this,
Speaker 4: and I tell kids when I go to speak at school,
Speaker 4: my whole life on stage Persona was me just pretending
Speaker 4: to be for the most powerful entergy in the hip
Speaker 4: hop universe. I was pretending to be a superhero on
Speaker 4: the microphone because I'm not a gang bang, I'm not
Speaker 4: a villain, I'm not a thug, I'm not a pimphanyer.
Speaker 4: But with the same attitude enthusiasm that they do that
Speaker 4: negative stuff. I'm gonna put that to all my positive stuff.
Speaker 4: But the only reason I had confidence to do that
Speaker 4: it was I looked at the superheroes.
Speaker 2: This is gonna blow your mind, Dylan.
Speaker 4: Most superheroes have adopted or forced to.
Speaker 2: Care situation in their lives.
Speaker 4: Superman saw his whole He didn't just lose his parents,
Speaker 4: he lost his whole world.
Speaker 2: Came here to Earth.
Speaker 4: His parents said Clark when he was of age, Sit down,
Speaker 4: there's something we need to tell you.
Speaker 2: Like my mama didn't me. What do you mean, Clark?
Speaker 4: We love you, but you're not really from here, and
Speaker 4: that gave him a sense of purpose. Peter Parker lost
Speaker 4: his parents, had to be raised by Aunt May Batman.
Speaker 4: Bruce Wayne saw his parents getting murdered in front of him,
Speaker 4: so he had to be raised. So all of these
Speaker 4: superheroes have forced the care and adoption situation, and even
Speaker 4: goes deeper than that.
Speaker 2: Two of the most infamous people in.
Speaker 4: The history of our existence of this planet have the
Speaker 4: same situations.
Speaker 2: Me and you have who you're talking about, d Moses.
Speaker 4: Moses' stories mother put him in the river because they
Speaker 4: were killing people in his town. He floated down the river,
Speaker 4: got picked up, but Pharaoh's daughter took into the palace.
Speaker 4: And then when Moses gives up age, this happens to him, Dylan,
Speaker 4: and this gives me the confidence to do what you
Speaker 4: was doing to me with the record I just heard.
Speaker 4: Moses gets a call from up above, Yo, yo yo, Moses,
Speaker 4: who's that.
Speaker 2: Not down here? Up here? Huh is God?
Speaker 4: Moses, I need you to go tell Pharaoh letting my
Speaker 4: people go. Now, if you think about Moses, people forget
Speaker 4: Moses murdered a man.
Speaker 2: He was a murderer.
Speaker 4: He killed a man in self defense and Moses needed
Speaker 4: Aaron to dictate for him because Moses had a speech impediment. See,
Speaker 4: people don't remember that. So God read the Bible. Moses
Speaker 4: had issues. He was a murderer. Number one, he wasn't
Speaker 4: from Egypt. He's an outcast like most of us feel.
Speaker 4: And he couldn't talk. He had a speech stuttering problem.
Speaker 4: So God told him to go there. And his other one, Jesus,
Speaker 4: Mary comes home and says, excuse.
Speaker 2: Me, Joe, that something I need to tell you. What.
Speaker 4: So Joe could have said get out of here, this
Speaker 4: and that, but he said, all right, this kid must
Speaker 4: have a purpose and he raised them. So I from
Speaker 4: my Eureka moment was comic books. But and it gave
Speaker 4: me the confidence to want to get on the mic
Speaker 4: and tell people. If I didn't have hip hop and
Speaker 4: rock and roll to express myself without the confidence that
Speaker 4: comic books gave me, I probably want to never started
Speaker 4: saying rhymes up on stage in front of people, because
Speaker 4: for me, it was just in my basement.
Speaker 2: Was for me.
Speaker 4: I didn't know what I was doing would touch a
Speaker 4: lot of other people.
Speaker 3: No, And I think it's amazing. I think I really
Speaker 3: really really vibe with that because it resonates to me
Speaker 3: how you talk about faith and also as storytelling, but
Speaker 3: also how storytelling and comic books can give you those
Speaker 3: stories out reaching your potential and like you know, not
Speaker 3: holding on, you know, not being seen to kind of
Speaker 3: have to aspire to this perfect life or this perfect person.
Speaker 3: Everybody has problems and everybody can reach the potential.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It's more about like what you do with what you've
Speaker 3: got as opposed to like how it started, you know, And.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we are perfect just the way we are, no
Speaker 4: matter even if we had traumatic situations in our lives,
Speaker 4: our situations not to find who we are we do
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And I'm I'm a massive, massive like I massively resonates
Speaker 3: with me too. I've been there. I was listening to
Speaker 3: you know, when we were in the waiting room, I
Speaker 3: was having to listened to you know obviously what you
Speaker 3: were saying about being in that room and getting pancread dieders.
Speaker 3: I've been in that a similar situation where I've been there,
Speaker 3: had those you know, addictions, going on those things, and
Speaker 3: then where somebody's sitting down and saying, listen, if you
Speaker 3: don't stop drinking, like you know, this is this is
Speaker 3: this You're.
Speaker 2: Not on the head now, you know, And yeah, for real,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: Self medicator and going through that stuff that I really yeah,
Speaker 3: really really it's really inspiring to you talk about that
Speaker 3: that darylne I just want you to know that, Yeah,
Speaker 3: your music, even though I was six years old and
Speaker 3: I couldn't yet form you know, crazy sentences or understand
Speaker 3: contexts like it hit me and I felt it, and yeah,
Speaker 3: it goes bigger beyond that. Money is Dylan Michael Cartage
Speaker 3: DMC initials you know.
Speaker 4: Oh why not both the wow guess even deeper whoa.
Speaker 2: The levels though?
Speaker 3: And I also definitely think there should be a comic
Speaker 3: book now, like, definitely a comic book where the super
Speaker 3: hero is a black samurai and it's like coming down
Speaker 3: from Moses and it's you he goes on his thing.
Speaker 3: I want to see an anime of this now, like
Speaker 3: a DMC.
Speaker 2: That would be brilliant. Helling right, wow, they know your
Speaker 2: initials a DMC too, yeah, yeah, ceiling wow.
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Speaker 1: where we discuss the healing powers of music with some
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Speaker 3: I have one more question for you, if that's okay,
Speaker 3: Elynn and Daryl, Yes, okay, because I think this is
Speaker 3: a really important question because, like you say, I really
Speaker 3: love what you do with the foundation and everything, and
Speaker 3: obviously you know your music and even like the what
Speaker 3: it's done for hip hop and where it's taken hip
Speaker 3: hop too, and I think I'm a recipient of that.
Speaker 3: I think I've been able to enjoy the blend of
Speaker 3: so many different styles and so many different cultures because
Speaker 3: it's been popularized by amazing people like yourself and the
Speaker 3: forefathers of the game, you know, essentially, you know, the
Speaker 3: question that I have is that, like you know, there's
Speaker 3: a lot of people that come through, whether it be
Speaker 3: the projects that come through adversity, that come through you
Speaker 3: know again, that want to find culture, that want to
Speaker 3: find belonging. And I think that's particularly prominent to you know,
Speaker 3: children who have been fostered or have been adopted, and
Speaker 3: you know, you found out you're adopted when you're thirty five,
Speaker 3: you know, after already you know, reinventing yourself artistically, you know,
Speaker 3: personally over times in your life, and when what happened
Speaker 3: for you spiritually, like in yourself, when you found out
Speaker 3: that the people that had showed you what the world
Speaker 3: has to offer, kindness, love, compassion, all the things that
Speaker 3: you'd you know, that showed you right from wrong, all
Speaker 3: these different things that you didn't those weren't the people
Speaker 3: that necessarily brought you into this world, you know, genetically
Speaker 3: or whatever, like, what did they do?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 4: The first thing is I look at my birth mother
Speaker 4: and my adoptive mother as one entity of motherhood.
Speaker 2: But I didn't know that until I had to go
Speaker 2: through this to see that.
Speaker 4: It was my birth mother's job just to get me here,
Speaker 4: but it was my adoptive mother and my mother who
Speaker 4: raised me to get me where I was supposed to go,
Speaker 4: just like with you with your foster Kima. But that's
Speaker 4: your mom. I love that that's your mom. They're the
Speaker 4: ones that knew you had a purpose and a destiny.
Speaker 4: And every time I tell people that, they're blown away
Speaker 4: by that it was my birth mother's job just to
Speaker 4: get me here, but my adoptive parents to get me
Speaker 4: where I was supposed to go. So without both of
Speaker 4: those situations, I would have never made it where I
Speaker 4: was supposed to go. So it's a huge, huge, huge
Speaker 4: example of purpose and destiny. It's a huge example of
Speaker 4: your situation doesn't find who you are. But also it's
Speaker 4: also an example of none of your victories come by
Speaker 4: just you. Now, we have everything necessary for us to succeed,
Speaker 4: but a lot of times because of drugs, because of
Speaker 4: a lack of self esteem because of not having an
Speaker 4: understanding of how this universe works. Sometimes we don't achieve
Speaker 4: those goals and we end up in the grave or
Speaker 4: the crazy house or the jail. And when you look
Speaker 4: at the places that we all come from, I don't
Speaker 4: care whether it's America or if it's the UK or
Speaker 4: in Asia. All of the circumstances are the same. It's
Speaker 4: just different different stories. But most of these kids have
Speaker 4: everything necessary to succeed. And what I mean by that
Speaker 4: is it's important that you said the forefathers. Now when
Speaker 4: you listen into the message, it's like a jungle. Sometimes
Speaker 4: it makes me wonder how I keep from going under. Oh,
Speaker 4: the message is a mental health record. People overlook, don't
Speaker 4: push the anger that we have in the violence and
Speaker 4: then reaching out and attacking everybody. But look what hip
Speaker 4: hop was able to do because of all of the
Speaker 4: different styles and culture of music that we sample, from
Speaker 4: jash to R and B to disco to funking, all
Speaker 4: of that. When the message came out, mostly every record
Speaker 4: was a message record. Here's what it is, broken glass
Speaker 4: and is that? But if you remember correctly, Dylan, when
Speaker 4: the soul sonic force in Africa. Bamboda came out with
Speaker 4: Planet Rock. The message was, here's what it is, But
Speaker 4: the Planet Rock, we know a place where everybody's eating
Speaker 4: and there's no fighting. Soul, Sonic Force, mister Biggs, Pow
Speaker 4: Wow and mc globe.
Speaker 2: We emphasized to show.
Speaker 4: We got ego, make thish not crocket by day as
Speaker 4: the people say, live it up, shuck snow, work or play.
Speaker 2: Our world is free, be what you want. Just be
Speaker 2: that record.
Speaker 4: The message was the record of the message, but Planet
Speaker 4: Rock was the vision which gave those kids. The Zulu
Speaker 4: Nation was the biggest street gang in New York City,
Speaker 4: the Black Spade, but they changed their name from the
Speaker 4: Black Space to the Zulu Nation and started doing things
Speaker 4: for the culture themselves in their society. So out of
Speaker 4: the negativity that they were inflicting upon their own, their
Speaker 4: neighborhoods and themselves, they turned that and took that power
Speaker 4: and started sharing it with everybody else. So me, Run DMC,
Speaker 4: ll COOJ Public Enemy Dayla Soul, we are offsprings of that.
Speaker 4: But it was Run DMC who had the boldness to
Speaker 4: put that on the forefront which touched you. But what
Speaker 4: I'm trying to say is I always tell these kids,
Speaker 4: is this hip hop culture or even the music business
Speaker 4: and stuff like that, It wasn't created by the executives
Speaker 4: and CEOs that run it. They have nothing without us,
Speaker 4: and most all from the even from the blues. The
Speaker 4: blues is the roots. Everything else is the fruits, who
Speaker 4: is created by individuals just like you did it from
Speaker 4: the same situations and circumstances.
Speaker 2: It's just that the music, turn the mic on, turn
Speaker 2: up the music.
Speaker 4: The music, the art form of it gives us the
Speaker 4: courage to not be ashamed of who we are, where
Speaker 4: we come from.
Speaker 2: But more importantly, by doing that, it shows.
Speaker 4: Us where we are able to go if we want
Speaker 4: to go there.
Speaker 3: And I cannot thank you enough that I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3: And I literally got to talk to you until the
Speaker 3: couch come home. The last thing I will say because
Speaker 3: I'm a bit of a gibby job, but I will
Speaker 3: talk it till the couch come home.
Speaker 2: But I love it.
Speaker 3: And one of the things that I have to ask
Speaker 3: you is is anything on a musical tip as an artist,
Speaker 3: is there anything that you feel like the new school
Speaker 3: has lost or that you feel like is the responsibility
Speaker 3: to get taken through to the next generation.
Speaker 2: You just said the word it's all good us.
Speaker 4: Oh geez, we are not mad at what the new
Speaker 4: school or we're not mad at what the younger generation
Speaker 4: is doing.
Speaker 2: I'm not mad at what they're doing. I'm mad at
Speaker 2: what they're not doing.
Speaker 4: And what I mean by that is the typical rapper
Speaker 4: or MC, the typical hip hop person dealing the typical
Speaker 4: before we started getting these record deals, and even when
Speaker 4: we got these record deals, before it became part of
Speaker 4: the music business, the typical rapper was twelve to twenty
Speaker 4: five years old. We were young, but we were talking
Speaker 4: about history, economics, society, social issues. You said the word
Speaker 4: the only thing that's wrong with this generation of hip
Speaker 4: hop is that they're not being responsible and even as
Speaker 4: an artist overall, you know what I'm saying, and what
Speaker 4: I mean by that is generationally the perfect examples of
Speaker 4: who to look up to how to do this was
Speaker 4: always there. Let's take Neil Young for example. There was
Speaker 4: a shooting at Kent State University where the soldiers killed
Speaker 4: four college students. Neil Young woke up the next morning,
Speaker 4: not because of his manager, not because of his publicist.
Speaker 4: He ran to the studio and he wrote Ohio ten
Speaker 4: Soldiers and Nickson's Coming. That song is a hip hop song.
Speaker 4: Go listen to Neil Young's Ohio. He knew I got
Speaker 4: a responsibility. Another person, John Fogerty. They wrote records like
Speaker 4: Fortunate Son, because when I was a kid, I'm hearing
Speaker 4: presidents and governments. They wasn't disrespecting nobody. Their most important,
Speaker 4: their most important in entity and in the business is
Speaker 4: the people in the audience. And the nine times out
Speaker 4: of ten people look at me now, Like I tell kids,
Speaker 4: I wasn't I'm sixty now. I wasn't sixty when I
Speaker 4: changed the world. I wasn't fifty when I changed the world.
Speaker 4: I wasn't forty when I changed the world. I wasn't
Speaker 4: thirty when I changed the world.
Speaker 2: I wasn't twenty.
Speaker 4: Me and running Jay was fresh out of high school,
Speaker 4: and we were change, not just making videos and selling records.
Speaker 4: Unemployment that a record high, people coming, people going, people
Speaker 4: born to die. We learned that from people like Marvin Gaye,
Speaker 4: who was only known for love and sex.
Speaker 2: But he had to make What's going on and he
Speaker 2: did it against Barry people. Notice Berry Gard. He said,
Speaker 2: don't do that. Marvin is going to ruin you.
Speaker 4: But when he went out there and sung that for
Speaker 4: that first audience, they gave him a standing ovation.
Speaker 2: So the only thing but it's a mumble wrap.
Speaker 4: I was speaking in the school in the bron and
Speaker 4: the kids asked me, because I'm fifty now that I
Speaker 4: was fifty at the time, DMC, what do you think
Speaker 4: about mumble rap?
Speaker 2: They want me to hate it?
Speaker 4: Oh, you kids ain't saying nothing and this and that
Speaker 4: you're young, you young whipper snappers. But I hit and
Speaker 4: went I could relate to it, and you should have
Speaker 4: seen the whole attitude of the class chains I said,
Speaker 4: what do you mean by that? How could you supposed
Speaker 4: to hate it? I said no, I could relate to
Speaker 4: mumbo map mumble rap. And they said, why you're saying that, DMC.
Speaker 4: I said, you gotta understand something. The only difference between
Speaker 4: my generation and your generation is this. They said the
Speaker 4: same thing about us hip hop to Hibbit to Hibbit
Speaker 4: Dibby hip. They ain't say nothing. I said, when we
Speaker 4: got criticized, we stopped the music and the fun and
Speaker 4: we wrote it's like that.
Speaker 2: We wrote hard times. We wrote the message.
Speaker 4: I said, Tupac isn't celebrating in hip hop because he
Speaker 4: had Doug Life tattooed on him and he went to
Speaker 4: jail and the kids were, what do you mean by that?
Speaker 4: I said, Toothpock is love for two reasons. And this
Speaker 4: blew my mind when I said it, because the kids know,
Speaker 4: but they're afraid to do it because they're worried about
Speaker 4: how somebody's gonna think about them about being cool. I said,
Speaker 4: Tupac is worship than hip hop for two reasons. Damn
Speaker 4: Mama and Brenda had a baby and they said yo,
Speaker 4: and the kids said, dish yo. Those records sound ill.
Speaker 4: They went to that emotional state and they realized that,
Speaker 4: oh wow, we forgot Tupac did something that was important
Speaker 4: and responsible in the midst of all of fame, fortune
Speaker 4: and the money. So the only thing that's missing right
Speaker 4: now is get your money, have your fun. But what's
Speaker 4: going on, Dylan, is they're making records about sipping the
Speaker 4: syrup or shooting or taking the drugs and driving a
Speaker 4: fancy car and having a sex. When the next single
Speaker 4: we talked about this. You can make a record about
Speaker 4: the strip club, but why your next record isn't about
Speaker 4: fully clothed women like your aunts and your grandmothers, or
Speaker 4: your force to care mother who raised forty six forced
Speaker 4: the kids and put them on through coll They're shamed
Speaker 4: of rhyme about those reality things that exist because they're
Speaker 4: worried about their street Craig, and you know this dealing
Speaker 4: in the streets. When I was coming up, the pimps,
Speaker 4: the pushers in the gang bangers. If you could play
Speaker 4: a violin, if you could do ballet, if you could
Speaker 4: play some basketball, or if you were smart as hell.
Speaker 4: The pimps, pushes and the drug dealers were responsible too,
Speaker 4: because when they saw that in those young people, they say, yo,
Speaker 4: young buck, get your ass off this corner.
Speaker 2: You don't need to be out here.
Speaker 4: So now, in the music business, anything that's diluted, polluted,
Speaker 4: anything holy or sacred with power in our communities or
Speaker 4: cultures will get diluted, polluted and destroyed. Once you're in
Speaker 4: the entertainment business. What I mean by this, there's tupax
Speaker 4: out there, there's tretches and Naughty by Natures out there.
Speaker 4: Naughty by Nature made a whole song about sex in
Speaker 4: it and use one profane word. Yeah, you know it's
Speaker 4: a record about sex in it. But it's done in
Speaker 4: a creative, artistic manner where people look at Tretch and
Speaker 4: say you made this record, and trusted say you goddamn right.
Speaker 4: There's a lack of responsibility with the artists. Why arts
Speaker 4: succeeds where politics and religion fails. So the first thing
Speaker 4: they're gonna do one and you want to take over
Speaker 4: the world. Kill Dylan, kill dmc kill the songwriters, kill
Speaker 4: the playwrights, clear the journalists, clear to clear anybody that's
Speaker 4: creating dialogue and content and stuff like that about the
Speaker 4: real issues, like this talk show here, this brings people together.
Speaker 4: They don't want that, so they're gonna get rid of
Speaker 4: us so they can control us. We know, hip hop
Speaker 4: like punk rock, fuck the establishment. We're gonna address the
Speaker 4: way that we dress, were gonna make the music.
Speaker 2: It's the same thing.
Speaker 4: So you gotta have somebody explain to me you gotta
Speaker 4: have guts to be an artist.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I love that, Thank you, Thank you so much. And
Speaker 3: it's really interesting that you because I feel like there
Speaker 3: was a real romance between hip hop and rock music
Speaker 3: in the nies because it was an energy, like you said,
Speaker 3: never spirit spirit, that's the kindred spirits, you know, like
Speaker 3: I almost feel like hip hop has maybe recently been
Speaker 3: a little bit spoilt because there are people that put
Speaker 3: them on from that struggle that, like you say, it's
Speaker 3: kind of like been popular for so long in the mainstream.
Speaker 3: It has been like the biggest music genre in the
Speaker 3: world for like the last forty years. Yeah, I feel
Speaker 3: like almost there's it's almost had a little bit too good.
Speaker 3: You know, it's over genres like country or whatever that're
Speaker 3: coming back in a new way. Yeah, And I really
Speaker 3: hope that that that friction, you know, spouts up that
Speaker 3: pressure to you know, get that more socially conscious responsible.
Speaker 4: Well, for sure, I think that, Yeah, the way that
Speaker 4: you do it, you just you can't do it as
Speaker 4: an a gender. You just have to do it, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. Because there was a time, you know,
Speaker 4: once one Cube, when ice Cube left n w A.
Speaker 4: Remember when he went solo. Now, everybody was like n
Speaker 4: w A was it's necessary, but we didn't need a
Speaker 4: hundred NWA groups.
Speaker 2: But when ice Cube.
Speaker 4: Left NWA and did America's Most Warning, he was brilliant
Speaker 4: because now he explained the emotional feeling of what he
Speaker 4: was saying on the NWA record. He said, if you
Speaker 4: go listen to America's most warning he was he was
Speaker 4: explaining what this individual who wasn't born that way was
Speaker 4: going through and why. Perfect example is the ghetto Boys.
Speaker 4: My mind playing see everything is mental, my mind playing
Speaker 4: tricks on me. Scarface wasn't like these rappers of the
Speaker 4: day praise me because I'm moving weight and selling coke
Speaker 4: and cracking guns. Most of the hip hop records were like, yes,
Speaker 4: that's a bitch ho motherfucking nigga.
Speaker 2: Nigga do we celebrate that like it's cool?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: Think about it, and a lot of these young kids
Speaker 4: think they got to do that to be liked and
Speaker 4: be successful. But if you listen to the ghetto Boys,
Speaker 4: my mind playing tricks on me. Scarface was saying, at night,
Speaker 4: I can't sleep, Lord, show me another way. I don't
Speaker 4: want to do this, will it is Rhyme is saying,
Speaker 4: I'm paranoid. I'm about to shoot the old women in
Speaker 4: their car just ordering Popeyes like me. Bushwick Bill thought
Speaker 4: he was fighting somebody on Halloween and it was the
Speaker 4: drugs overtaking him. So they were telling stories that resonated
Speaker 4: with people's spirit and souls, which.
Speaker 2: Freedom a lot of us.
Speaker 4: But now it's being promoted that shoe in killing and
Speaker 4: selling drugs is cool. So these kids don't know no better.
Speaker 4: Why because the people like your songs ain't being heard
Speaker 4: in my songs ain't being heard. They exist. So it's
Speaker 4: up to us to fight the good fight. All we
Speaker 4: gotta do, Dylan is just keep on showing up. That's
Speaker 4: how we win.
Speaker 3: Will thank you, Dalla. It's been honoring a pleasure. And
Speaker 3: I have to send you through the new album too.
Speaker 3: It's in fact, please it's going to show up and
Speaker 3: it's all about responsibility and again wow.
Speaker 4: See look see you know all of this, yes, right
Speaker 4: you and you know all of this because you are that.
Speaker 2: That's so crazy every time I say something that he's
Speaker 2: already doing it.
Speaker 1: All right. So the weirdest thing is is and I'm
Speaker 1: getting the wrap signal because I have I have to
Speaker 1: say I knew this was going to happen. I saw
Speaker 1: it when he started talking and he started telling me
Speaker 1: a story, and I thought back to the story that
Speaker 1: you had. I you know, we've known each other twenty
Speaker 1: plus years, so I know. I just I had this
Speaker 1: feeling that you would connect like that and that he
Speaker 1: needed to hear what you had to say, and you
Speaker 1: need to hear him.
Speaker 2: This song is sick too, man. I want to cannot
Speaker 2: that song.
Speaker 1: I have a link. I want to think.
Speaker 4: Pete is incredible in everything in your flow, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Last Note Records is pretty special and they're the ones
Speaker 1: that helped us make this happen today, and they were
Speaker 1: very excited about it as well, so I wanted to
Speaker 1: thank them for helping it and Dylan. Sorry, I'm taking
Speaker 1: the camera just for a second.
Speaker 2: Hi, Hellolyn, how are we doing?
Speaker 3: Going good?
Speaker 1: Doesn't he have a great studio?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: That was absolutely and it's been amazing. So it's been
Speaker 3: such a cool experience for me. I'm a fun girl
Speaker 3: too much.
Speaker 4: I know it's all good man. We are fans of
Speaker 4: all each other. Yeah, because lyrics were just that little
Speaker 4: bit wait too here you've only delved in a little bit. Daryl,
Speaker 4: thank you so much for coming on the show.
Speaker 2: I'm inspired by coming here today.
Speaker 1: I was inspired by him.
Speaker 4: And then I know, really know if the lyrics in
Speaker 4: his song you know what I'm saying, because everybody got
Speaker 4: somewhere that little bit just made me.
Speaker 2: Realize it ain't that bad. Matter of fact, it's good.
Speaker 1: It's nothing wrong, that's right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: The bill's late, it's late, but everything's beautiful. Right.
Speaker 1: You're beautiful, Daryl. You're such a beautiful person. Oh, thank
Speaker 1: you your spirit and everything. And now I know why
Speaker 1: I enjoyed myself so much. Thank you so much, and
Speaker 1: just keep doing what you're doing. I didn't get a
Speaker 1: chance to talk to you about your children's book. You
Speaker 1: are on your way to Boston two years ago and
Speaker 1: you were going listen to this and you're going to
Speaker 1: my nephew's school. My brother, who also plays in a band,
Speaker 1: the Macharette Band, he said to me, you're going to
Speaker 1: have who come to your house, to your to your studio.
Speaker 1: And I said Darryl, And he said they spoke at
Speaker 1: our school. He came to speak it and my nephew
Speaker 1: was in sixth grade and he heard you speak and
Speaker 1: he was so inspired by you. And I thought, that's
Speaker 1: so weird, because I called you and you texted and
Speaker 1: you said, I'm on my way to Boston because of
Speaker 1: the book. This was just two years ago.
Speaker 2: Yes, wow, going to his school.
Speaker 1: That's crazy schools in the city of Boston. You could
Speaker 1: have gone to you went to my nephew.
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
Speaker 1: Oh my good real, Yeah, that was so nuts.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I'll go to a lot of schools
Speaker 2: to speak to the kids.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you do, and you're amazing for it. And that's
Speaker 1: why I wanted to connect you because I felt like
Speaker 1: he needed to take Well, you had to put down
Speaker 1: that was that was happening. Well, thank you for being
Speaker 1: on music save me. And I might have to have
Speaker 1: you come back again.
Speaker 2: I will, yeah, I will.
Speaker 4: You might have to