Speaker 1: Ooh, my compliments to the test tube. It's one more thing.
Speaker 1: I'm strong and getty. One more thing.
Speaker 2: Now the chef the test tube, I got it. I
Speaker 2: have no guess what that's going to be. But first
Speaker 2: they joke from Saturday nine Live, a.
Speaker 3: Newfold shows that since twenty sixteen, support by black voters
Speaker 3: for Democratic candidates has dropped from ninety two percent to
Speaker 3: seventy eight percent.
Speaker 1: Or don't make this our fault. Seventy eight percent is.
Speaker 3: Still a lot for contact. Seventy eight percent black people
Speaker 3: is enough to make white liberals leave the county be grateful.
Speaker 3: The only other people to get seventy eight percent of
Speaker 3: the black vote was the North and Kendrick lamar All thought,
Speaker 3: if it wasn't for black voters, y'all wouldn't even be
Speaker 3: a party anymore. You'd be the Democratic small get together.
Speaker 2: So we were talking a little bit earlier on the
Speaker 2: radio show about some of the joe that were being
Speaker 2: made on Saturday Night Live, and somebody made the point
Speaker 2: that on the text line that they can make those
Speaker 2: jokes because Michael Chase a black guy, and you can
Speaker 2: make joke about your own circle, you can't joke about
Speaker 2: somebody else's circle. I can complain about my mother, but
Speaker 2: my husband cannot complain about my mother, or I'd kill him, right.
Speaker 2: I remember hearing that a long time ago. If your
Speaker 2: wife or girlfriend or whatever starts complaining about her mother or.
Speaker 1: Sister, you just gotta listen to them. You can't join
Speaker 1: in at all, don't. Don't fellas if you're young, young
Speaker 1: enough to have avoided that bullet, trust us when we
Speaker 1: say that's let her vent all you want do not
Speaker 1: add a syllable.
Speaker 2: It's interesting because you can understand why you'd make that mistake,
Speaker 2: because usually when somebody's bitching about something, they're asking for
Speaker 2: you to join in with the pitching. That's, in fact,
Speaker 2: like always that's the case.
Speaker 1: And if you both bond more quickly over what they
Speaker 1: don't like than over what they like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so they're complaining about the way they got
Speaker 2: treated by United Airlines or their uber driver or the
Speaker 2: restaurant or whatever your boss. You just join in because
Speaker 2: it makes them, you know, a bonding experience. But man,
Speaker 2: you can't do that with somebody's with a woman's sisters
Speaker 2: or or mom.
Speaker 1: Yeah interesting, yeah, uh so, uh this is not surprising.
Speaker 1: I guess I love this headline lab grown meat is
Speaker 1: proving to be a grotesque misadventure.
Speaker 2: I am amazed at how many restaurants I go to
Speaker 2: who have who have that as an option?
Speaker 1: Lab grown? Well, I don't know what. No, Now, the
Speaker 1: like impossible burger that's vegetable based, spiced, it has the
Speaker 1: consistency of me. So that's different.
Speaker 2: I see that places, and then I see what would
Speaker 2: they call lab grown? Would they call that something?
Speaker 1: Would? Uh? Some supporters, including Bill Gates and Richard Branson,
Speaker 1: prefer the euphemism cultivated meat. I don't actually know.
Speaker 2: I just I just see a lot of places where
Speaker 2: they're often fake meat burgers or fake.
Speaker 1: Meat veggie burgers. You think, yeah, bean bean, Jed. I've
Speaker 1: had some of those that are terrific. Anyway, the lab
Speaker 1: grown meat revolution looks like it's over, says Julian Mellanton,
Speaker 1: food consultant. News Company is advised to alternative protein companies.
Speaker 1: Are you about to explain what lab grown meat is? Uh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's part of it, okay, because have you? I think
Speaker 1: we've talked about this, but I don't remember the first Well,
Speaker 1: the first lab grown burger was demonstrated more than a
Speaker 1: decade ago. And billions of pounds have been thrown at
Speaker 1: the technology pounds money. This is a British report. It
Speaker 1: involves extracting cells derived from animal fetus is delicious and
Speaker 1: cultivating the cells in sterile bioreactors. That sounds so delicious,
Speaker 1: A process that takes a lot of energy and expense.
Speaker 2: I want to catch up and salt on the embryo
Speaker 2: whatever you just said.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, cultivated meat, said this food consultant. It's going
Speaker 1: to go down as one of the biggest failures in
Speaker 1: food history. Business schools will be presenting lessons on lab
Speaker 1: grown meat. No kidding, I didn't know that. That came
Speaker 1: and went without me. I don't know if I've ever
Speaker 1: had it. I don't think I have.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: We were told that this innovation would transform how we
Speaker 1: eat and farm, but this month leading industry figures admitted
Speaker 1: the game was all but up, which is where you
Speaker 1: come in.
Speaker 2: Well, of course it would be a very very big
Speaker 2: deal if you could grow meat that in it, So
Speaker 2: it wouldn't be it wouldn't be like the impossible stuff
Speaker 2: is just as it's not meat at all, but it's
Speaker 2: designed to taste like, Yeah, this would actually be meat
Speaker 2: in theory. It would be exactly like you know, the
Speaker 2: the hip of a cow, whatever that is, flank steak
Speaker 2: or hamburger steak or whatever. I'm guessing it tasted horrible, Is.
Speaker 1: That what it did it in No, actually, I'm told
Speaker 1: it was decent enough, but people were just horrified by
Speaker 1: the idea of it. It is a bad idea. Well,
Speaker 1: I was disgusted the first time I heard it, and
Speaker 1: I have no reason to reject science or alternative means
Speaker 1: of getting something. It was an instinctive, tenth of a
Speaker 1: second reaction. Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 2: No, I didn't finish what I was gonna say, is
Speaker 2: obviously this would be such a huge revelation because you
Speaker 2: don't need gazillions of cattle around the world. I used
Speaker 2: to work in feed lots with tens of thousands of cattle.
Speaker 2: That I mean, when you got the fact that they
Speaker 2: flatulate and what that is doing to the environment.
Speaker 1: But just to the poop, my god, the poop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the amount of poop, and then feed that you've
Speaker 2: got to give them, and water that you've got to
Speaker 2: give them, and all the employees you need to have,
Speaker 2: and then the injecting all the various chemicals in them
Speaker 2: that everybody does that may or may not affect the meat.
Speaker 2: This would get away from all of that. But you're
Speaker 2: saying it didn't work.
Speaker 1: One executive at one cultivated meat company. Uh uh, there's
Speaker 1: a valley of death. We're not going to cross is
Speaker 1: in an industry without a massive infusion of public investment.
Speaker 1: The chief executive of Impossible Foods, which only creates plant
Speaker 1: based arizonts meat products, acknowledge that the political mood has
Speaker 1: changed for everyone. Food security and competitiveness are now back
Speaker 1: on the agenda. The alternate protein bubble has burst.
Speaker 2: It's funny that nobody is hitting on what you said.
Speaker 2: You just had kind of an instinctual.
Speaker 1: They do, they get to it. It never stood a chance.
Speaker 1: The economics are always stacked against meat bioreactors. The process
Speaker 1: requires pharmaceutical industry level lab conditions, very expensive nutrients which
Speaker 1: amount to about two thirds of the cost, specialized labor,
Speaker 1: and long time scales. Optimistically, producers would be doing well
Speaker 1: to hit sixty three dollars per kilo, so that'd be
Speaker 1: you know, two and a half pounds thirty you know,
Speaker 1: thirty bucks a pounds roughly has a break even price
Speaker 1: break even? Are we talking to hamburger steak. It's expensive
Speaker 1: either way, just whatever they call it. I don't know.
Speaker 1: But the real reason is not so much economics. To
Speaker 1: your point is it is a lack of demand expressed
Speaker 1: in the form of public disgust. Our Attitudes to food
Speaker 1: have been shaped by psychology, culture, family, and tradition. Only
Speaker 1: weirdos are impressed by cells from a bioreactor.
Speaker 2: It's funny that we have a knee jerk reaction to
Speaker 2: meat grown in a test tube. But that living thing
Speaker 2: standing out there with you know, a heart and lungs
Speaker 2: and kidneys and everything like that, and hopes and dreams
Speaker 2: and hopes and dreams. You kill it and cut it
Speaker 2: up and drain the blood out of it and cook it.
Speaker 2: I'm fine with that, But we've been doing it. It's
Speaker 2: an evolution thing.
Speaker 1: I suppose as you load the cown and the truck
Speaker 1: is thinking I never went to Europe, right, Sorry, um, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's you know. I wonder if it'll come together at
Speaker 1: some point. Although most of the representations of alterna foods,
Speaker 1: whether it's eating bugs or alternative proteins. So we were kids,
Speaker 1: that was a big eating bugs. Oh yeah, we're all
Speaker 1: gonna be eating bugs by the time you're an adult
Speaker 1: buyer reactors.
Speaker 2: All of it was based on what was the worm craze?
Speaker 2: Were we gonna eat worms?
Speaker 1: Yeah, something like that. Yeah, my god, this conversation is
Speaker 1: making me sick.
Speaker 2: For some reason, I got involved in the worm craze
Speaker 2: for a while. In what sense My shop teacher in
Speaker 2: high school went all in on worms, So this would
Speaker 2: have been late seventies, early eighties.
Speaker 1: I guess he.
Speaker 2: Went all in on worms when he thought that was
Speaker 2: going to be the craze and converted his whole basement
Speaker 2: into a worm farm and had uh tens of thousands
Speaker 2: of worms and boxes wow, and the right lighting and
Speaker 2: humidity and everything like that. And one time they went
Speaker 2: on vacation and I fed the worms. There's like fifty
Speaker 2: thousand head a worm that I was I was taking
Speaker 2: care of ed.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: I was going in their basement, I was feed in mine.
Speaker 2: I had to like dig up the dirt aerate it,
Speaker 2: and then put the warm food in there and get them.
Speaker 1: The right water, good gig. And he just thought that
Speaker 1: this was going to be the thing. Wow, people were
Speaker 1: gonna switch.
Speaker 2: To worms, and then it never panned out, And I
Speaker 2: remember they just let them all loose in their garden
Speaker 2: after like two or three years of.
Speaker 1: All this work and effort, waiting for the great worm
Speaker 1: and craze to catch hole. Note to self play Pink
Speaker 1: Floyd's waiting for the worms. Uh. Yeah. What I started
Speaker 1: to say was, I think all of these alternate food
Speaker 1: you know, or they're not crazes, they're like crazes talking
Speaker 1: about how it's going to be a crazy Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: all based on the assumption of never ending population growth.
Speaker 2: At least in part, we'd all be starving and you
Speaker 2: just couldn't come up with the food. And that hasn't
Speaker 2: been the problem.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And in fact, I was hoping we might
Speaker 1: get to and probably will in the next couple of days.
Speaker 1: A survey of all the countries around the world where
Speaker 1: their governments are trying desperately to get people to have babies,
Speaker 1: and how there's not a single program that's showing any
Speaker 1: significant success.
Speaker 2: And I would hope not any any trip or dollar
Speaker 2: amount or whatever that could convince you to take on
Speaker 2: the task of being a parent, right, not good?
Speaker 1: Well, and more significantly, I think even than that is
Speaker 1: that if you have, for whatever reason, suppressed the most
Speaker 1: fundamental urge there is other than you know, breathing food
Speaker 1: and water to reproduce.
Speaker 2: Government's not gonna be able to talk you into it.
Speaker 2: I can't believe people think they can. I just yeah,
Speaker 2: I just think that's nuts.
Speaker 1: I get why they're trying, but man, it's a long
Speaker 1: shot at best. So you take a girl out to
Speaker 1: have some nice lab grown flesh, take her back to
Speaker 1: your place. Gross.
Speaker 2: So why isn't there a bigger movement towards smaller ports
Speaker 2: and restaurants that that's practically like, you know, the way
Speaker 2: the culture change was around drunk driving and smoking. Why
Speaker 2: isn't there more of a push for smaller portions?
Speaker 1: I think because we're a fatter country than we are
Speaker 1: a drunk one. I think a lot of big, heavy
Speaker 1: Americans don't want to hear it. They want giant portions.
Speaker 2: Well, how about all the you know, this is usually
Speaker 2: driven by often by people I don't like, But like,
Speaker 2: why isn't the academic lefty already skinny you know, Manhattan
Speaker 2: based media crowd pushing for smaller portions everywhere? It just
Speaker 2: seems like that would be a good idea.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's a really interesting question.
Speaker 2: I would I would like that. I'm even though I
Speaker 2: have no self control, most of us don't. When when
Speaker 2: Applebee's or whoever brings out the burger that's the size
Speaker 2: of your freaking head and enough French.
Speaker 1: Fries to choke a horse, it's just like, what is this?
Speaker 3: Why?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I just I now, I'm at the point
Speaker 1: in my life that I appreciate it when they have less.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I'm just surprised there wouldn't be a craze for
Speaker 2: shrink Flation is happening everywhere. Shrink the portion sizes instead
Speaker 2: of up in the price, make the portion smaller.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but graying talk show hosts don't drive that market.
Speaker 1: It's hungry young people. I don't know, Hanson, where do
Speaker 1: you fall? Are you pleased when you get a giant whatever?
Speaker 1: You think? Awesome? This place is great. Look at that Breedo.
Speaker 1: It's a sizement Folkswagen. No, not at all. I had
Speaker 1: one the other day and I just knew. Now I
Speaker 1: just cut it in half. Yeah, the other part goes
Speaker 1: home and then I end up throwing that away.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I've had friends where we've decided, let's remember for the future,
Speaker 2: let's always order one thing and split it from now
Speaker 2: on always because they're way too big. Yeah, but maybe
Speaker 2: we're not representative of most people, like you're saying. Given
Speaker 2: my brother, who's quite the eater, I don't think he
Speaker 2: gets excited about giant portions the huge mountain French fries is.
Speaker 1: It's so cheap and so easy for them to do.
Speaker 1: And if you're the hungry type, but you you love that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but from a free market standpoint, if there were
Speaker 2: much fewer, would you stop going there? Like you just
Speaker 2: if Chili served small portions of fries, I would stop
Speaker 2: going in there and go to Applebee's because they have
Speaker 2: enough French fries to push out in a.
Speaker 1: Wheelborrow me personally, or am I a two hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty pounds thirty two year old just about most people? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I'd say, hey, fry miser,
Speaker 1: what is this the depression? Bring me out some fries.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wreck the place.
Speaker 2: I have had a few experiences, especially this French rest
Speaker 2: height at a French restaurant in San Francisco one time.
Speaker 2: At the time, it was an incredibly expensive meal and
Speaker 2: I think it was one hundred dollars a person, which
Speaker 2: now is what it costs to you everywhere practically. But anyway,
Speaker 2: it was a very expensive meal. And they brought out these.
Speaker 1: Little thimbles full of things and I was like, what
Speaker 1: is this. This is a tasting menu, what is this?
Speaker 1: This is my meat?
Speaker 2: This a little tiny little thing of meat, I know,
Speaker 2: and bring you a like a little tiny little screen thing.
Speaker 1: It was your salad. Oh yeah, that reminds me. Hey,
Speaker 1: remind mister Armstrong to bring that up during the radio
Speaker 1: show tomorrow. I have something I know you'll love, the
Speaker 1: tiny portions at French restaurants. Yes, oddly enough.
Speaker 2: That's gonna be our topic tomorrow. That was the only
Speaker 2: time in my life though, that I've been disappointed in
Speaker 2: a portion, and it was ridiculous.
Speaker 1: I mean it was it was over the top. You
Speaker 1: get the taste, you get the texture, you're done, moving on.
Speaker 1: God dang it. I wit that.
Speaker 2: The other day we got burgers and they were just
Speaker 2: they were so enormous, just insanely enormous.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you had a French restaurant like that. You're thinking,
Speaker 1: I'm hungry, order in a pizza, send a message, have
Speaker 1: it delivered right to your table. Anybody, you want any
Speaker 1: food to your meal? Half a pizza delivered your table.
Speaker 1: I'm all great, What am I supposed to do? I
Speaker 1: went out to eat, all right?
Speaker 2: And the thing they did at this expensive French restaurant
Speaker 2: in San Francisco, it was like a different waiter for
Speaker 2: every brown.
Speaker 1: Oh good, that's important.
Speaker 2: And the plates were so huge they were like the
Speaker 2: size of a car tire. So I was part of
Speaker 2: the presentation, big giant white plate with a tiny little thing,
Speaker 2: and then like a sprinkle of some sauce that was
Speaker 2: a different color over a ear.
Speaker 1: Right right, fantastic? What am I supposed to eat? Then
Speaker 1: the dude who brings that can't possibly be the guy
Speaker 1: to bring the room temperature soup that I'm supposed to appreciate?
Speaker 1: One half a spoonful of soup. Ooh, fennel and watermelon.
Speaker 1: So you say your professor had you go into his
Speaker 1: basement to feed the worms. Correct? Little did you know
Speaker 1: that the worms were plotting your demise? That's true. They're
Speaker 1: waiting for me to die.
Speaker 2: I have no idea what he thought. Was I think
Speaker 2: we were going to eat worms in the seventies. I
Speaker 2: think that was the thing.
Speaker 1: Or was it that they would be sold for fishing? No? No, no,
Speaker 1: no no.
Speaker 2: It was some new age craze thing where the rocks
Speaker 2: were going to be really worth a lot of money.
Speaker 2: He only had like three fingers left. Shop teacher, he said, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess that's it.