1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: Americo trapped behind enemy lines? Day number thirty one thirty 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: one our two Sean Hannity Show, eight hundred and nine 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: four one, Shaun is our number. You want to be 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: a part of the program. So today, September fourteenth is twelve, 5 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:22,240 Speaker 1: the thirty first day America's Americans held hostage behind enemy lines. 6 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: Still no definitive number from this this idiot Tony Blincoln, 7 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: who's just completely clueless. Way do you see the tape 8 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: we show you tonight on Hannity on the Fox News channel. 9 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: But it is California Recall Day out there. You know, 10 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: I guess, like everything else, there's always the reports about, okay, 11 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: what's you know, what's going on in the ballots? Why 12 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:53,279 Speaker 1: we can't get election integrity down pat When you think 13 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: of the level of sophistication that we have, let's let's 14 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: start with Silicon Valley and the brilliant minds that are 15 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: out there and voter ID, the signature verification, chain of 16 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: custody controls, you know, very simple things, updated voter rolls, 17 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: partisan observers observing the vote count start to finish. Voting 18 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: has been going on for weeks and weeks. We're told 19 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: we probably won't know, have a winner called as even 20 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: tonight or tomorrow or the next day, because apparently ballots 21 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: can be counted, you know. For However, nineteen days after 22 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: some absurd number, there was a report on KTLA Channel 23 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: five out in California about San Fernando Valley residents having 24 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: trouble casting recall ballots. Let's listen to this report. Issues 25 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: at the ballot box have left some voters confuse, even frustrated, 26 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: especially after being told they already cast a vote in 27 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: the recall race. It makes me question the result, especially 28 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: when it relates to me and my wife's vote. Emont 29 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: Afshar and his wife say they went to vote in 30 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: person at the Disabled American Veterans seventy three polling location 31 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: in Woodland Hills Saturday, but the records showed they had 32 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: already voted, when in fact, their mail in ballots were 33 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: still sealed unopened. I asked him, well, what's the solution. 34 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: He said, well, you can fill out a provisional ballot 35 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: and vote that way, and I told him I'm not 36 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: comfortable with that. I'd rather vote on the machines personally. 37 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: A similar scene playing out at ay different polling site 38 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: gave her this and she scanned it and said, you voted. 39 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: I said, no, I haven't, and she said, this has 40 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:42,239 Speaker 1: been happening all morning. All right, So there you go, shocking. 41 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: This is going to be now And this is what 42 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: I've been telling everybody that needs to be fixed immediately, Hannity, 43 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: what do we do? Well, the first thing is you've 44 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: got to make sure that election integrity measures are adopted 45 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: by your state legislatures so there's no shenanigans, we have 46 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: integrity in the process, and so on and so forth. 47 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: There's got to be a means with all the mail 48 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: in balloting balloting to validate that the people that are 49 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: voting and getting the ballots are are also have to 50 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: provide some type of voter ID. Am I saying that 51 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: anything is going to happen or has happened out in California. No, 52 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: I'm playing what KTLA is reporting. I'm not on the ground. 53 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 1: I don't know. But Leo two point zero Terrell is 54 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: Fox News contributor, civil rights attorney, and they made a 55 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: big deal. This is outrageous. We elect. I was watching 56 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: Biden just mumble, bumble and fumble in his speech today. 57 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: It was so freaking embarrassing. But he say, if you 58 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: elect Larry Elder, you're electing Donald Trump. I'm like, no, 59 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: you're not not at all. I'll tell you, Sean, And 60 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: I'm not saying this in a pejorative towards Larry. I 61 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: love Larry. Larry is a great guy. I'm just saying 62 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: he's not Donald Trump. He's been more of a Libertarian 63 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: than anything else over the decades that I've known him 64 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: as a friend. You're absolutely right, Larry Elder is a 65 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: libertarians as he is definitely the leader on the Republican 66 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: side as far as vote total. If we kick Gavin 67 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: Newson out, we will have a black Republican governor in 68 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: Larry Elder. But the Democrats have Donald Trump on the 69 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: brain shot. They are afraid of him, they fear him, 70 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 1: and any time they get a chance to mention his 71 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: name they do. And I'll tell you right now. They 72 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 1: try to change the focus of this election claiming that 73 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: this is a quote Republican recall. No, one's not one 74 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 1: point seven million voters Democrats, independence, Republicans want Gavin Newsom out. 75 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: And I'll go out out front, Shawn and tell you 76 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: right now there is an election integrity issue. One month 77 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: ago in a Torrance parking lot of a seven eleven, 78 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: a man with a gun, drug and three hundred unopened 79 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: recall ballots. Who is this guy? Has he been facing charges? 80 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: Why do you have three hundred ballots? You got twenty 81 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 1: two million ballots being mailed out, And I'll tell you 82 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: right now, I'm questioning election integrity because with twenty two 83 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: million ballots going out to all so called registered voters 84 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: without the voter of roles being purged, Yes, there is 85 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,679 Speaker 1: some shenanigans. And the Democrats loved the mail in ballots 86 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: because to me, it's corrupt and there's no election integrity. 87 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: So expect the word and you know what, I will 88 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:34,239 Speaker 1: question the election results because of the shenanigans being played 89 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: before and definitely after. You know, look, I have felt 90 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: that for the most important questions obviously begins with a 91 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 1: question one, do you want to recall Gavin Newsom? Here's 92 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: why I see it as a very difficult race for 93 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 1: any Republican to win, to reach that threshold where you 94 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: keep Gavin below fifty percent of the vote. If he 95 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: gets us some fifty percent of the vote today, he's out. 96 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: He will be recalled as governor. Does he deserve it 97 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: absolutely for all the hypocrisy and high taxes and you know, 98 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: disastrous lack of science and forest management, the brownouts, his 99 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: COVID double standards, his COVID hypocrisy, you know, paying people, 100 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: you know, giving people checks before the recall and after 101 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: the recall. I'm like, oh, okay where I grew up. 102 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: That's like pay to play for crying out loud. But 103 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: with all that said, when you look demographically, this state 104 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: has shifted solid, solid blue, and you've had a mass 105 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: exodus for the first time in one hundred and seventy 106 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: one years, more people left California than when into California. 107 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: If you take a U haul out of California and 108 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: you go to Texas, you're paying about twenty five hundred bucks. 109 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: If you take that same U haul from Texas back 110 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: to California the exact same distance of the direction, you're 111 00:06:57,880 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: paying like three or four hundred bucks. And you're doing 112 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,679 Speaker 1: you haul of favor because they need the U hauls 113 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 1: in California. But people aren't leaving Texas. Yeah, yeah, Sean, 114 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: I'll tell you right now, everything you laid out about 115 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: Newsom is absolutely correct. He's a horrible governor. He's done 116 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: nothing right. And if you ask anyone who is supporting 117 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: Newsom what is he accomplished, they can't name anything. The 118 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: state is horribly run, poorly run, but it's controlled by 119 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: the Democrats. I'll tell you right now, Sean, Yes, the 120 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: Poles favored Newsom tonight, but I'm praying I got my 121 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: fingers crossed. There is going to be a massive, massive, 122 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: same day voting, and those people are gonna go to 123 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: the vote and vote in person. I guarantee you those 124 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: are yes on the recall and mad is what you're 125 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: hoping for, because even to get this thing on the ballot, 126 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: you need a Democrat support. And where Newsom pick winners 127 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: and losers during the COVID favor of his friends and 128 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: disadvantage small mom and pop stores, Both people are angry, 129 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: and I think there's a disconnect between the Democratic Italy 130 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: and the rank of foul Democrats who have to earn 131 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: a living to get a job. One. Okay, I know 132 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: California knows a lot about earthquakes, which you got to 133 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: take seriously out there, but this would be a political earthquake. 134 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: You know, a nine to five minimum on the Richter scale. 135 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: Here's Biden out there with Newsom, you know, mumbling and 136 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: bumbling and fumbling and coughing his way through a so 137 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: called speech, trying to attempt to call Larry Elder a 138 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: Trump clone. I'm not sure you know it, but if 139 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: you didn't know what you should because the decision you're 140 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: about to make, isn't this going to happen and you're 141 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:46,599 Speaker 1: just going to have a huge impact on California. Meanwhile, meanwhile, 142 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: we see something else in parts of Americas hitting about 143 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 1: public health. Children are required to be vaccinating, but now 144 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: in the midst of this pandemic, Look, folks, we don't 145 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: need politics this battle against COVID who lean and I apologize, 146 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: Gavin will be a governor who will help us finish 147 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: the job. I'm gonna make this as simple as I can. 148 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: You either keep Gavin Newsom as your governor, or you'll 149 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: get Donald Trump, who has the courage to lee and Gavin. 150 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: You have a governor who shares the state's value. Can 151 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: make this up. He just can't make this up, Leo, 152 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: you can't write this any better. He's got healthy. I'm 153 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: just gonna think that faith of that takes Joe Biden. 154 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: It's not healthy and shot one of the point. They 155 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,839 Speaker 1: must be worried. Why would Joe Biden fly on election 156 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: e to give that speech. Something's wrong, don't internal Pole 157 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: must be telling him something. But Joe Biden is not 158 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: healthy based on that tape, He's not. Quick break, we'll 159 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: go back out to California more with Leo two point 160 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 1: zh Terrell. It is Gavin Newsom Recall Day and we'll 161 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 1: get the very latest from there. Also, your calls are 162 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: coming up. We have an update on COVID and the 163 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: mandated policies of Joe Biden a much more. All right, 164 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: as we continue, Leo two point Z Terrell is out there. 165 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: It's it's California Recall Newsome Day out there, always hope 166 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,199 Speaker 1: for the best. Look, anyone can have a rough day. 167 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 1: When I've been on the road and I've given lots 168 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: of speeches and you know, do books, signings and all this, 169 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I'd be out in twelve cities in a week. 170 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's crazy. But that's not the situation with Joe. 171 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: Joe barely does anything. I mean, he's don't have an 172 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: average less than one item a day on his schedule 173 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: for crying out loud, and it's rough. It's rough every 174 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: day even when he meets the press, talks to the 175 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: press in the nation for fifteen minutes. He has a 176 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 1: rough He's never had a good day. Joe Bike's never 177 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: had a good day. It's always named one. Here's the thing. 178 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: Name one thing? Is it? Borders? Is it? COVID? Is it? 179 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: His energy policy? Is it? Let's see Afghanistan and the 180 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: disaster that is there. Is it? His tax policies is it? 181 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: The inflation? Is it? The economy? Is a foreign policy? 182 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: In general? Name one thing Leo two point z Terrell. 183 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: One thing that he's done that you could say he's 184 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: been successful at. He's in the same boat as Gavin Newsom. 185 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: Absolutely nothing. Fave team man would a mission to undo 186 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: all the good things of President Trump, and they have 187 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: created a disaster. Joe Biden has done nothing for this country. 188 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: In fact, he has hunt this country, simple as that, 189 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: just like Gavin Duse has hurt California. There are two 190 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: peas at the potshot, there are two pias. But the 191 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 1: problem is people that would be inclined to vote Gavin out. 192 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: There's tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands now of 193 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: those people that have gotten the hell out of there, 194 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: and look as somebody that lived in California for five years. 195 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you're not leaving because the weather's bad. You're 196 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: not leaving because of the landscape. If you're leaving, it's 197 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: because the business business atmosphere has gotten so bad. Look 198 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: at I mean, look at what. You don't get arrested 199 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: if you steal less than a thousand dollars worth of 200 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: goods from a store, and then people are doing. Then 201 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: you've got the homeless situation. Then you've got oh, his 202 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: kids get to go to school in person, while the 203 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: rest of California, their kids do not. He goes out 204 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: to fancy restaurants, the rest of California cannot. Businesses are 205 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: going belly up. You know. You look at the same 206 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: with summer Camp. For Gavin Newsom, I mean his winery 207 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: stays open. It's say he's such a hypocrite of an 208 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: incredible magnitude that he says I was wrong. I should 209 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: have thought more deeply about that. Okay, by the sixth defense, 210 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: that doesn't fly anymore. He is protected by yes people. 211 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: He's Nancy Pelosi's golden boy, and he has destroyed this state. 212 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: And I'm telling you right now, this is a wake 213 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: up call is Sean. I have to given up hope 214 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: in California because Rick Renell, our friend, he got an 215 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: organization called Fixed California, and I'm telling you right now, 216 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 1: we're gonna take California back step by step. Guys like 217 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 1: Rick Rnelle Trump supporters. This guy has a message and 218 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: we're trying to get this state back in order. It's 219 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: gonna take time, but nine point five, maybe you're a 220 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: better person than me. I've given up on New York. 221 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: I don't think New York is fixable because I don't 222 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: think there's enough conservatives in New York that are smart 223 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: enough to vote out this this corruption that's Albany, New York, 224 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: and it's I just don't see it. Maybe it can happen, 225 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: maybe if it gets that bad, something will happen, But 226 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: but it's it's it's such a heavy lift. Why bother 227 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: you might if I'll go have nicer weather, pay no 228 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: state income tax, and head to the Carolina's, Florida, Texas, wherever, 229 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: anywhere but here. I've kind of given up on the 230 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: New York's in California because Americans don't run and high 231 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: California salv I'm gonna run Listen, I'm guilty. I'm getting 232 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: the hell out of here. I'm gonna run and money 233 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: with me. Believe you're not going anywhere. You're gonna stick 234 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: it out, and I'm not. I am not gonna stick 235 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: it out. It's you know, it's sixty two cents of 236 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: every dollar I make goes to government, sixty two cents. 237 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: And you know what, that type of message resonates with 238 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: people in New York. All that you're looking for. They're 239 00:14:56,360 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: looking for a leader, they're looking for someone who who 240 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: can relate to them. Okay, you want me to run 241 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: for governor New York, wish me luck? Well, Sean, you 242 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: got governor or Senator I'll be out. And you got 243 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: Andrew Julietti, got Leezel. Then let's say, hell yeah they do. 244 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: They're both great guys. Uh you got Rob Asterno, he's 245 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: gonna get into two. What they gotta relate to the people, 246 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: That's what that's the magic of Trump. Trump resonate. People 247 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: have a bond beef. Politicians got to throw the old 248 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: playbook out. They have to relate to the average citizens. 249 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: That is the charisma, the magic of Donald Trump. He 250 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: resonates with people. That's rare right, that's a rare formula. Listen, 251 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: I'm well gonna follow it. I'm trying to leave open 252 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: the hope that you're you're you're giving me here. I 253 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: want the people in California to fix their state. They 254 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: have an opportunity today to do it. Leo two point 255 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: got a roll, Thank you, my friend, eight hundred nine 256 00:15:52,160 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: suns her number quick break right back. Didn't the i 257 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: RS scandal and the NSA atrocities convince you you need 258 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:33,239 Speaker 1: a watchdog on Washington with insider sources. You need Hannity 259 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: every day twenty five to the top of the hour, 260 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: eight hundred and nine four one Sean, you want to 261 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: be a part of the program. Back to the Fauci mandates, 262 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: and you know Anthony Fauci now saying yeah, you're going 263 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: to need to be vaccinated to use a commercial airplane. 264 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: Let us remind everyone that Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, let's 265 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: say Jensaki for shell Willlinski, the great doctor Faucci all 266 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: said it would never come to that. Listen, No, I 267 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: don't think you should be mandatory. I wouldn't demand to 268 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: be mandatory. Perhaps the federal government should step in and 269 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 1: issue mandans and if not, are you putting the needs 270 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: of unvaccinated people ahead of the needs that vaccinated Well, 271 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: I think the question here one that's not the role 272 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: of the federal government. That is the role that institutions, 273 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 1: private sector entities, and others may take. We cannot require 274 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: someone to be vaccinated. That's just not what we can do. 275 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: I am all for more vaccination, but you know, I 276 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: have nothing further to say on that except that we're 277 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: looking into those policies, and quite honestly, as people are 278 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,959 Speaker 1: doing that locally, those are those are individual local decisions 279 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 1: as well. I don't think you'll ever see a mandating 280 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 1: of vaccine, particularly for the general public. Okay, so they're 281 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: they're all saying no, no vaccine mandate, no vaccine mandates. 282 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: Well that's now changed, and they flipped, and they flopped 283 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 1: and they flailed. Now I still stay with my argument. 284 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 1: Take it seriously. Talk, you know, do your own research, 285 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: take into account your unique medical history, your current condition, 286 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 1: talk to your doctor, your doctors, and then you've got 287 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: to make the decision that's right for you. But apparently 288 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 1: if you make the wrong decision, you're going to be 289 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: shut out of restaurants, shut out of sporting events, shut 290 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: out of concerts, shut out of even maybe your job, 291 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: and shut out of airplanes. Now, anyway, let's listen to 292 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 1: the great doctor Fauci saying the vaccine mandate to travel 293 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: is being considered. It seems to me crazy that a 294 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: year and a half into that, you can still I 295 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: can still go on plane to Boston or California and 296 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: nobody's going to check me. Do you think that needs 297 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: to change? Well, that's only consideration. Certainly, I think that 298 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: if in fact it is seriously considered, it's on the table. 299 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: On the table that means it's going to probably happen. 300 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: That's my interpretation. And then you know, you see this 301 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 1: now emerging organically in football stadiums all over the country, 302 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 1: both pro and college games, these chants of f Joe 303 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: Biden anyway, joining us to win. In on where this 304 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:34,479 Speaker 1: is headed is doctor Joel Zimberg, medical doctor and senior 305 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: fellow with the Competitive Enterprise Institute, discussing the medical legal 306 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: policy implications of these mandates. Doctor, thank you for being 307 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: with us. You've been a medical doctor for how long? 308 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 1: How longer than I care to admit On Live nineteen 309 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: eighty one. So I like to have people on this program, 310 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: and some doctors I've agreed with and some I haven't, 311 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: because I want people to get his much information as 312 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 1: possible and then of course discuss everything with their own doctor. 313 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: I've been criticized doctor for not, you know, practicing medicine 314 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: without a license. I'll humbly admit that I don't feel 315 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: qualified to tell people what to do, and I don't 316 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: find a very scientific that one size fits all medicine. 317 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: As I discussed, Am I wrong? Should I be telling 318 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: people what to do? No? No, you shouldn't be telling 319 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 1: people what to do any more than unfortunately the administration 320 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: feels it has to tell people what to do. And 321 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:36,120 Speaker 1: you're in good company. You know, the administration and president 322 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: have been criticizing Governors de Santis and Abbot while they 323 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: have been encouraging people to get vaccinated. So I don't 324 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: think you should. If I showed up in your office 325 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: and I was a new patient and I wanted to 326 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: get your insight and your advice on whether to get 327 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: the vaccine, I assume you would probably ask me a 328 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: lot of questions about my medical history. Right, correct, Absolutely, 329 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: My current medic vaccines for most people are really the 330 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: right answer the vaccines are the most effective way of 331 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: preventing COVID and should you unfortunately get an infection anyway, 332 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: they reduced the severity of the dizzy. So for most people, 333 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: that's the right answer. But the real question is who 334 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: should be telling people that. Should it be their physicians, 335 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: should it be their state and local governments who have 336 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: traditionally had the role of providing for public health, or 337 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: should it be the federal government which has never really 338 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: had that role. And that's what you know the Biden 339 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: administration is doing now. They're they're getting the intruding into 340 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:51,360 Speaker 1: various areas like the eviction moratorium and now this potential 341 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: emergency order that they're going to have for business requiring 342 00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: businesses to vaccinate people where they have very limit, did 343 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: if any legal authority to do so? Yeah? And are 344 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: there people that have rare conditions that would prevent them 345 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: from being a candidate to get to get the vaccination? Sir? 346 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 1: There are? I mean, you know, as you say, they're rare, 347 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 1: but there certainly are people who fall into that category. 348 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: So I want to ask you this. Kamala Harris put 349 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: out a tweet and it got a lot of play 350 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: on the social media on social media forums. By vaccinating 351 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: the unvaccinated, increasing our testing and masking and protecting the vaccinated, 352 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: we can end this epidemic. My question when I when 353 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 1: I read that was isn't it what the vaccine they 354 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: told us would do, which would be to protect it 355 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 1: would protect the vaccinated. Wasn't that the whole point of it? Yeah? Sure, yeah, 356 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 1: I mean I didn't she talking about that revaccinating the 357 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: vaccinated or vaccinating the unvaccinated. You say, by vaccinating the 358 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 1: unvaccinated with Vice President Art we can protect them. By 359 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,959 Speaker 1: vaccinating the unvaccinated, we can protect the vaccinated. And I'm like, 360 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: wasn't the point of the vaccine to protect you? And yeah, yeah, Well, 361 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, there is this thread in some 362 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: of the advice coming out of the administration and out 363 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 1: of some of the agencies involved there that is really 364 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: kind of overzealousy. They're basing a lot of policies on 365 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: the idea that even the vaccinated can become infected and 366 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 1: spread disease to other individuals, probably mostly unvaccinated people. But 367 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:49,239 Speaker 1: the reality is the vaccines are still very good in 368 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: terms of protecting you against infection, and they're even better 369 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: at protecting you against severe disease. So you know, when 370 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: we've seen that with the Delta variant, for example, a 371 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: large percentage of the population has both has an immunity, 372 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: either in the vaccine immunity or natural immunity. So your 373 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: chances of encountering someone who is infected and shedding the 374 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: virus is much lower than it used to be. And 375 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: then if you are vaccinated, it's highly protective. So you 376 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 1: know they're letting sort of a very slim threat drive 377 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: all sorts of over zealous policies. Well, then let me 378 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 1: ask you this question, because when the Delta variant got 379 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: on the scene and its spread throughout the country as 380 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,400 Speaker 1: it has, we had the first of what it called 381 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: breakthrough cases and people that are fully vaccinated contracting COVID. 382 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: One of my best friends that happened too, and fully vaccinated, 383 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: by the way it was, and he went and he 384 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: got an infusion of a general within twenty four hours 385 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 1: and had the best ten days of his life because 386 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 1: he sent his family down to Florida and he went 387 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: fishing every day and sent me pictures of all the 388 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: stripe bass. You caught. Anyway, so you got the Delta variant, 389 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: then we hear about the Peruvian lambda variant, now the 390 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 1: Mu variant, and I assume there's going to be variants 391 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: behind all these variants. Is there ever a point that 392 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 1: you worry that the vaccine is we're not only going 393 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,919 Speaker 1: to have just breakthrough cases, because you're absolutely right, if 394 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: you've been vaccinated, the data is showing, at least my 395 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: interpretation of it, that your risk of hospitalization and death 396 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: is greatly reduced. So my question is, do we get 397 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: to the point that maybe the vaccine is ineffective or 398 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: is that something that you don't believe would happen. Well, no, 399 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: no one can tell you one hundred percent that that's 400 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: not going to happen. As long as the virus is circulating, 401 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 1: it will mutate, and there's always the possibility that it 402 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 1: can mutate in the form that makes it the vaccine 403 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: is much less effective. But that has not happened yet. 404 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: And you know, these new variants that you just meant, 405 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: the lambda and the MEW are very very small percentage 406 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 1: of the cases in the us UH and it looks 407 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: like Delta has out competed it. And you know, we're 408 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,959 Speaker 1: in in some ways at a very good spot because 409 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: nationwide the number of delta cases, hospitalizations and deaths have 410 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 1: peaked and starting to decline. There was still some hot spots, 411 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: you know, places where it's it's continued, you know, we're 412 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 1: still on the upward slope or we're just about to peak. 413 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 1: But in the nation as a whole, and I'm including 414 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: places like Florida where you know, you know, where the 415 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 1: Biden administration has day after day knocked their efforts there, 416 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: they're on the downslope. So the good news is that 417 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: the probably the most contagious of the variants to date, 418 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: UM is now on the downslope, so you know, and 419 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 1: we now surprising people who have immunity. So we only 420 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: put in a good place. Barring some unexpected variant that's 421 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: highly virulent, we are in a very good place as 422 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,360 Speaker 1: a nation. Quick break, we'll come back and we'll continue 423 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: more with doctor Joel Zimberg. Eight hundred nine four one 424 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: Sean is our number. You want to be a part 425 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,919 Speaker 1: of the program. We're going to look into the lawsuits 426 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: that are now being filed. At the top of the 427 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 1: next hour in your calls. Eight hundred nine four one 428 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 1: Sun last month. All right, as we continue with doctor 429 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: Joel Zimberg, it's shocking to me that I'm not a doctor. 430 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: I'd recommend everybody talked to their own doctor again. But 431 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,679 Speaker 1: you know, only for the first time last week did 432 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: Joe Biden ever. He'd never mentioned before monoclonal antibodies like 433 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: we're general and that shocked me. And then I have 434 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: this article from the Epic Times from and they quote 435 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: doctor Robert Malone, who invented the mRNA vaccine technology that's 436 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: the Fiser Maderna shots, and he says that the first 437 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 1: of all, the headline is natural immunity, longer lasting protection 438 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: from COVID nineteen and vaccines, and he says the immunity 439 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,679 Speaker 1: conferred by recovering from COVID is better than the protection 440 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: afforded by the vaccines, and this is the prominent vaccine inventor, 441 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: and citing in part a recent study from Israel where 442 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: Fiser's COVID nineteen shot that if you had natural immunity, 443 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: you're more thirteen times more likely to contract DELTA with 444 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: the Fiser vaccination than if you had natural immunity. And 445 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: it's been shown, he says in that paper and others 446 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: that the immune response in terms of T and B 447 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: cell memory populations is more diverse and more long lasting 448 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: then the immune response elicited by spike based vaccines alone. 449 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: And this is the inventor of this class of vaccines. 450 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on that? Well, look, we knew 451 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: even before the vaccines were available that the natural immunity 452 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: was at least lasting for six months, and it was 453 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: seemed to be good in four different types of immunity. 454 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: And then you have situations like the Israeli study you're 455 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: referring to where and that was done during the delta 456 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: surge in Israel, where they showed that when you looked 457 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:43,479 Speaker 1: at people who were either infected or vaccinated at roughly 458 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: the same time that the vaccine, the vaccines were inferior 459 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: to natural immunity. And they also had people because of 460 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: course the COVID infections have been around much longer than 461 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: the vaccine, they had people who'd been infected much longer term, 462 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: up to about ten to eleven months prior, and they 463 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: still had better protection than people who had vaccine immunity. 464 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: And that sort of it goes along with the study 465 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,959 Speaker 1: out of the Cleveland Clinic, and that's done primarily in 466 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: the pre delta period. But I have a final question 467 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: only because of the constraints of time, doctor, something I 468 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: have to deal with and you don't. As a medical doctor, 469 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: you take all the time you need. I don't have 470 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: an unlimited period of time. Would you recommend then, based 471 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: on that Cleveland study and based on this doctor Malone, 472 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: what about people? And I only have about fifteen seconds 473 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: for you'd answer, what about people that contracted COVID? You 474 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: recommend they get the vaccine? Again, like you, I would say, 475 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: speak to your doctor. That's clear that you can boost 476 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: the immunity at least for a brief period by getting 477 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: an additional shot. And there are people who probably makes 478 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: a lot of sense for people who have amunosuppressing conditions, 479 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: people I have cancer or HIV. It's less clear that 480 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: it makes sense of the general population, which is by 481 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: the way, why you're seeing a lot of people from 482 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: the CDC and the FDA who objected to the plan 483 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: that the President announced about a month ago to make 484 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: boosters available for all adults. You know, So it's not 485 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: so clear it works, and the data is not there 486 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: are not there yet, but it may make some sense 487 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: for certain people, and they should be speaking to their 488 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: doctor about getting it all right, doctor. We appreciate you 489 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: being with us, and again I urge people take this 490 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: thing seriously. I've seen the worst of it. Talk to 491 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: your doctor based on your unique medical history and current condition. Doctor, 492 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: thank you for your input in your point of view. 493 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: Eight hundred and nine four one sean our number. You 494 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: want to be a part of the program quick Break 495 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: right Back