1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: This is the business of sports. Let's talk Super Bowl 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: and Fox Sports, every single thing that occurs. I want 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: people to remember, this is a business. Guaranteed. Money isn't 4 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: necessarily guaranteed. Michael bar How high can these valuations go? Scott, 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: everybody loves rooting against him, right. Evan Williams Off the field, 6 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: the NBA has never been buzzier. And the leaders in 7 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: the sports industry, Major League Baseball Commissioner Rob Manfretins, CEO 8 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: of Oracle, Mark Bert here At Smith, President of Ticketmasters, 9 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: maybe race car driver. Hello, castro Evs Bloomberg Business of 10 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: Sports from Bloomberg Radio. Hello, I'm Scott, I'm Evan, Novie Williams, 11 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: and I'm Michael bar And this is the Bloomberg Business 12 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: of Sports podcast where we explore the big money issues 13 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 1: in the world of sports. Oh my goodness, we have 14 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: some allegations of some big time cheating and Major League 15 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: Baseball and it has cost them. The seventeen manager of 16 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: the Astros A J. Hinch and the eighteen manager the 17 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: Boston Red Sox Alex Cora. I'm gonna tease later in 18 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: the show and segue with saying that baseball did not 19 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: let them skate on the issue. Thank you, Evan Novie 20 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 1: Whims because later in the show, we're gonna be talking 21 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 1: to Mike Bossy New York Islanders legend I used to see. 22 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: I mean I'd sit behind the gold Bossy come down 23 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: the right wing. He let that sucker rip. I mean, 24 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: like you, no, no cheating there. You had to cheat 25 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: to stop it. But anyway, baseball cheating, yeah, I mean Cora, 26 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: the Red Sox manager, he was all over the report 27 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: with the Houston Astros, so know he's out of a job. 28 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: Still waiting to see what happens with Carlos Beltron Mets 29 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 1: are not saying, yeah, let's I mean, let's catch up 30 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: real quick and where exactly we are right now? Right? 31 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: So so can I bang a garbage as we talked? 32 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: And there were allegations a couple of months ago that 33 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: the Houston Astros, when they won the World Series a 34 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: couple of years ago, we're tipping hitters who were batting. 35 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: The picture was going to be by using cameras in 36 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: the outfield and banging on a allowed garbage can to 37 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: tip them off in real time, right, which is not 38 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: allowed shot that you would get if you're at home exactly. 39 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: Baseball looked into this earlier this week, Rob Manford, the commissioner, 40 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: came out with a pretty hard line. Right. He suspended 41 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: both the manager of the Astros at the time, A. J. Hinch, 42 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: the general manager Jeff Lunos, has spending them both for 43 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: a year. And and then you know, the Astros owner 44 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: later that day came out and fired both. Jim, had 45 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 1: you fired? What the Baseball investigation dug up is that, 46 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: according to Baseball, this was a player driven thing that 47 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,679 Speaker 1: the person that the Astros organization that knew the most 48 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: about it was bench coach Alex Cora or went out 49 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: to the Red Sox. The Red Sox also have their 50 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: own cheating investigation happening right now right. He is a 51 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: part of that. Also, Baseball did not punish him, at 52 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: least has not yet. They wanted to wait till the 53 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: end of the Red Sox exactly. Um, if you could 54 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: read between the lines, I would imagine he's going to 55 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 1: get a very hefty punishment, considering he's already out of 56 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: a job. It's it's pretty in the interim there. The 57 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: Red Sox also fired Alex Cora. What do we make 58 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: of this? So? I think there's there's a bunch of 59 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: interesting questions, right, the one that kind of gets to me, 60 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: I mean, the one that pops into my head first. Right, 61 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: this is a punishment of some executives, no players, at 62 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 1: least not yet, right. I think both the Major League 63 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 1: Baseball and the Astros have said they're not going to 64 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: punish any players. You mentioned Carlos Beltron was on that 65 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: Astros team. It sounds like he was involved. He's now 66 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: the manager of the Mets. Um somebody should have told 67 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: him waynewright was coming with the curveball. Thank you. I 68 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: can't thank you. The punishment for the Astros as an 69 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: organization or for Jim Crane as an owner is very small. Right. 70 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: It's five million dollars and a loss of too draft 71 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: picks this year and two draft picks next year. Five 72 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: million dollars is the maximum that Rob Manford can find. 73 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: I wonder if you know it's clear that Jeff Luno 74 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: got punished. Baseball doesn't think he knew about it. Got 75 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: punished because he was the man in charge. Why are 76 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: we not punishing the owner? Right? He won a World 77 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: Series title. It turns out the team was cheating in 78 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: some way. There's a part of me that thinks that 79 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: there should be some punishment for the person who owners 80 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: that don't even show up at the at the ballpark. 81 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: You know, I know that the owner, but they don't 82 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: even show up. But right, leadership comes from the top, Right, 83 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: So if you're gonna fire what they're saying, Luno's at 84 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: the top. That's what they're saying. I mean, they're saying 85 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: that the book stops with Jeff Luno. But if I may, 86 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: why does this matter from a sports business perspective? And 87 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: I'm going to say two words, Why it matters sports betting. 88 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: This is why it matters. We've got to a point 89 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: in time now, where as David Stern always would say, 90 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: you better take care of the core issue, and the 91 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: core issue is the game. Anything that would cause fans 92 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: to doubt the integrity of the outcome of the games 93 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 1: is enough to make them probably the only thing that 94 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: would be enough to make them turn off the TV, 95 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: stop watching the highlights, stop placing the bets forgetting the 96 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: fantasy team if they do not believe that the outcomes 97 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: are real. But but that I had a very good, staccato, 98 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: paste measured argument. Yes, yeah, good night, and good night 99 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: from Mr Murrow. Everybody is cheating in some capacity, right. 100 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like we talked about this every 101 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: week on the show. But your favorite professional sports team 102 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,679 Speaker 1: is breaking the rules, your favorite college team is breaking 103 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: in rules. Your favorite professional sports league is taking money 104 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 1: from a country that treats its citizens very poorly in 105 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: an authoritarian manner. Right, this is sports right now. And 106 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 1: I mean the Astros are not the only team doing this. 107 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: The Red Soction are not the only team doing this 108 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: right in some ways, you know, kind of like the 109 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: performance enhancing drug analogy, right, I think, But I don't 110 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: know what a lot of teams are doing. But this 111 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: is this is a message. This is a clear message 112 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: from from Rob Manfred. I don't know where the line is, 113 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: but this obliterated, guys, we cannot have Well, I just 114 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 1: out and out bold faced cheating. Well here's why. And 115 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: you you hit the nail on the head. And I 116 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: got to go back to what we were talking about. 117 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: Out of all of the four major food groups in 118 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: the sports, baseball is the one where the picture is. 119 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: It's almost like one on one. I'm gonna bet on 120 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: a game if I know X y Z picture is 121 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: on there. And he and he's an ace and it's great. Now, 122 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: the problem is, if you figured out what pitch he's 123 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: going to throw, that whole advantage of me betting on 124 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: this game has just been thrown into the trash man. Yeah, 125 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: it's like if you know, no joke, just like if 126 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: you knew who the umpire was before anybody else. Some 127 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: umpires give white strike zones and you're more at Yeah, 128 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: I mean absolutely. That's why the information and the sports 129 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: betting age, all of this is even more critically important. 130 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: One of the things before we move on this real 131 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: quick based baked into this punishment was also punishment for 132 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: Brandon Tauban, the assistant GM for the Astros, who, if 133 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 1: you remember, was the one before he got fired who 134 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 1: yelled at those female reporters about Roberto Asuna. Was that 135 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: that culture of the organization exactly. And there's a part 136 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: in here where Rob Manford essentially just goes deep on 137 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 1: how how bad the baseball operations culture at the Astros was, 138 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: and and that comes from joining at the top. Obviously, 139 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: are prioritizing winning happens in the face of you know 140 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: a lot of other things, right, So so he kind 141 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: of connects the Brandon Tauban's outburst against the female reporters 142 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: with the cheating all under one kind of bigger umbrella 143 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: of the problem when everyone is hyper focused on winning 144 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: and not focusing on all the other things that you 145 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: know you should have in any business, whether it's you know, 146 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: selling cars or Major League Baseball. You put a bow 147 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: on it. The Major League Baseball find the Houston Astros 148 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: five million dollars. Why five million dollars because they couldn't 149 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: go more. That's the maximum that the league can find 150 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: any team. So there you go. W n b A, 151 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: big bail. What's happening. I'm shocked at this. This to 152 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: me is the most shocking news of the week. And 153 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: was getting paid in the that someone's getting paid, that 154 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: they're all getting paid in the amount they're getting paid. Uh. 155 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: And by the way, Terry Jackson, the executive director of 156 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: the Players Association, will be our guest on Thursday, so 157 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: we're gonna ask her how this came about. Yeah, so 158 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: just quickly, Uh, we know the w n b A 159 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: does not make the money the NBA does. We know 160 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: the players in Adeladon and some of the others were 161 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: making a lot of noise about we deserve to be 162 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: treated better. There needs to be more investment in the game. 163 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: But cash compensation will triple. Top players will get five 164 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: thousand dollars or more, better travel standards, new childcare, maternity, 165 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: family planning, a fifty increase in total cash. That's that's 166 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: big time support for this league. And the question I 167 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: have where's it coming from? And maybe Terry can answer that, 168 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: And we'll also talk to some folks at the league. 169 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 1: But it's not like these franchises are spitting out money, No, 170 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: and and and part of this And I was kind 171 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: of surprised to read this. You know, the big major 172 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: in male leagues, right, the NFL, the NBA, NHL, major 173 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: League Baseball, almost all those leagues share revenue about fifty 174 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: depending on you know, it's roughly in the in that category. 175 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: The w n b A was at right. So so 176 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: just by moving up to the same ratio that the 177 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: men's leagues get, and now we're not talking about total dollars, 178 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: but we're just talking about percentage. Just by moving up 179 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: to about you can accomplish a lot of these things. 180 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: And by the way, there will be also there's a 181 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: revenue share component of this deal too. Yeah, exact based 182 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: on how much money the league can make from its 183 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: marketing deals. It's it's gonna be very interesting. And then 184 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: the other part of this what what do what do 185 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: w NBA owners get out of this? Right? They're getting 186 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: essentially two things. Right. They are getting a commitment from 187 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: players to prioritize their league, right, which has been a 188 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: problem for a while. Yeah, you can maybe play in Russia, 189 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: but you can't stay in Russia when w n b 190 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: A camp opens, Right, they may not have to so exactly, 191 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: so better pay and also, you know, these demands that 192 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 1: you have to be in camp on time, et cetera. 193 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: Helps make the w n b A in the future 194 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: maybe back to being the most high priority, biggest women's 195 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: basketball league in the world. Right, And that's tremendously valuable 196 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: for the w n b A. The other thing to mention, 197 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: they get a domestic violence policy, right, which you know, 198 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: there were two fairly high profile domestic violence cases in 199 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: the w n b A in the past two years. 200 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: A lot of criticism for the league, you know, given 201 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: how much criticism happens on on the NBA, for example, Right, 202 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: they didn't even have a policy at all. They get 203 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: a policy as part of this deal. So those are two, 204 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: you know, pretty big wins for the owners in terms 205 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: of what they're getting to give up this money. And also, 206 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: by the way, though, at a time when I believe 207 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: that the investment in high profile women's sports will yield 208 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: a tangible return. So if you're looking for r O 209 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: I I think companies, in particular the sponsorship part of this, 210 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: are recognizing that there is a great value in having 211 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: an Elena Dela don as your spokesperson. Uh, and only 212 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: to be I think more valuable in the near future. Well, 213 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: that's and that kind of goes back to something I 214 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: was talking about years ago. And I remember when the 215 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: w n b A made its debut on the Lifetime channel, 216 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: and I remember telling somebody you were watching thirties something 217 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: and said, boy, that hope has never happy. And then 218 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: after watching Melissa Gilbert in Another Life or something, I 219 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: I what I didn't understand and I needed someone to 220 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: explain it to me. Why on Lifetime this is perfectly 221 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:31,719 Speaker 1: legitimate sport. Why can't CBS, NBC Lifetime? And I think 222 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: it made sense in one perspective. What was it was 223 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: Lifetime Comma Television. Yeah, for when I get it, but 224 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: that that's that's my point is why this is everybody's sports. 225 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: The w n b A is a sport that everybody 226 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: can enjoy. That's what I'm trying to get to. Well, 227 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 1: now you're getting a lot of the same broadcast I mean, 228 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: they are piggybacking from the NBA's broadcast deals. And we'll 229 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: look here in your more mainstream sports, they've got a 230 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: Twitter deal as well. I mean I think they I 231 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: think they would tell you that Lifetime experiment didn't work right, 232 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 1: but it was an attempt to maybe drawn a new 233 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: audience by going to where they are core audience at 234 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 1: the start. Yeah, and Scott you mentioned you know, we're 235 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: kind of entering this era. You know, certainly women's sports 236 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: are getting more attention, media attention now than they were 237 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: five years ago. Does that translate to dollars in the future. 238 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: Hopefully we'll see. Do you think that a deal like 239 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 1: this resonates across other sports? I mean, women's hockey is 240 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: a good example. You know, one of the league's has 241 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: folded lawsuits. Who are going to see some very smart 242 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 1: person backed by somebody with deeper pockets who can afford 243 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 1: to wait. Somebody is going to roll up women's sports, 244 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: bring them together and make a killing. I don't know. 245 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 1: And how long do we think the time horizon is 246 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: on that. I don't think it's very long. It's gonna 247 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: happen sooner rather than later. Am I right about this now? 248 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: Before we move on? Probably right? Under this deal, the 249 00:12:54,520 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: maximum something you NV a salary would increase to two 250 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: dollars from a hundred seventeen five, the average doubling, Oh sorry, increase? Ye, yes, yes, 251 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: I that's right. And then if you add in the 252 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: cash considerations you get up, you got feel much higher 253 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: number for sure. Let's talk about college football. Congratulations L 254 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: s U for winning the national title. They beat Clemson. 255 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: H L s U. And I'm telling you now, Joe Burrow, 256 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: he's gonna fit in very well in the National Football League, 257 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: that beautiful Heisman Trophy winner. I'd rather see Trevor Lawrence 258 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: if I'm picking between job Joe Burrow, and I mean, 259 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: what do I know? But if I'm picking between Joe 260 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: Burrow and Trevor Lawrence, you mean to tell me you're 261 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: taking Burrow over Lawrence? Right, Yes, I'm going the other one, 262 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: I said, But I like it. I know this that 263 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: they're both going to make a lot of money. He 264 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: completed Burrow, I want to say, almost eight out of 265 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 1: ten passes during his season. Whatever, he was smart enough. 266 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: At the end of the game, I was very happy 267 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: they took that victory formation. Did you see what he 268 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: did after the game. That's what really made me take 269 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: notice of it. I kind of watched for that these days, 270 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: to see if the person who gets the final out 271 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: in baseball, like they put they put the ball in 272 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: their back pocket. So technically, I believe, because I still 273 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: haven't heard from the school, but technically the ball is 274 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: proper the property of the university. But Joe Burrow tucked 275 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: that sucker under his arm and did not let go. 276 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: He was the only interviews. He was walking with that thing, 277 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: you know, And so I made a few phone calls. 278 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: I think it's worth at least one hundred thousand dollars 279 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: according to Ken Golden you have of Golden auctions. So 280 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: I will give him credit having the smarts to tuck 281 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: that ball under his arm and say this ain't going anyway. 282 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: Real quick on the money they're gonna make if Joe 283 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: Burrow goes pro this year, right, he'll he'll be drafted. 284 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence doesn't have that option. He has to go 285 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: back to school. He's he's eligible for draft, he can 286 00:14:55,440 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: play in the g He sure ye, there made other options. Um, 287 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence is coming in under the new CBA, and 288 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: that always ramatically, they always sell out the dramatically change 289 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: his his earning potential. So there's a good chance that 290 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow is not the number one pick Trevor Lawrence is, 291 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: and Joe Burrow ends up with a significantly larger rookie 292 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: deal than than Trevor Lawrence does. Hey, we've got a 293 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: treat because we talked to the Islanders somebody who grew 294 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: up near the Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum in Uniondale, Long 295 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: Island and would take regular trips there to see the 296 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: Islanders play. Uh, there's a Mount Rushmore of those four 297 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: Stanley Cup teams, and surely Mike Bossy's face and slapshot 298 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: are on it along with Troci Smith. In my that's 299 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: my Mount Rushmore. As our audience knows, my son Jackson, 300 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: Uh is a fairly high level goaltender. So you know, 301 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: so I asked Bossi to start. Here's a guy who 302 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: regularly scored fifty goals in the NHL. What advice would 303 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: he have for ten year old jackson? First of all, 304 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: you didn't advise him. You know, you know who makes 305 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: the money, right, who is who makes the money? The 306 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: goal the goal scorer? Yes, I know, well, believe me. 307 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: On many fronts, I did not want him to be 308 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: uh in the net. But there is a last time 309 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: you and I were in the same space. I'll laugh. 310 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: One of my coworkers said to you, Hey, Mike, who 311 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: was who was the toughest goalie ever faced? And you 312 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: actually laughed at him, which I enjoyed. Do you remember 313 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: what you said? Well, yes, I remember, because it's my 314 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: stock joke answer I say. I said, listen, I average 315 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: seven point three goals a year. There weren't any tough there, 316 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: you go, there were fifty plus goals either. So what 317 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: what should I give me? The one thing I need 318 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: to tell my ten year old son, who has all 319 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: these aspirations in the net, I would say, when someone 320 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: winds up for a slap stock, close your eyes. So 321 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: I've been giving them good advice. This is great. I've 322 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: been giving him great advice. Yeah, no, I mean that, Hey, listen, 323 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: that's a that's a tough position to play these days, 324 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: to be in nets, and and God love him for 325 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: for wanting to do it. Yeah, well let's see does 326 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: God love hockey? Where do you see? Where do you 327 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: see the sport as a whole, Mike? I mean, everybody 328 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: knows that big four. We talk about football, baseball, basketball, 329 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: and usually hockeys, you know, number four. Where do you 330 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: see hockey in the broad realm of pro sports? You 331 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: know what? I think that I think that hockey is 332 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: actually and and really gaining in popularity. I mean, if 333 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: you look at the success that the sport is having 334 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: in cities like uh, like Dallas and Dashville, and you know, 335 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: the the cities on the West coast and their team 336 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: going to Seattle. You know, I really think the Americans are, 337 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: uh in in parts that didn't know the game, are 338 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 1: are really starting to understand the game and and and 339 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: love the enthusiasm behind the players playing it. How about internationally, 340 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: I mean, every sport, you know, basketball, football, everyone's looking 341 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: internationally as a growth opportunity. Hockey has an advantage in 342 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: that there are you know a lot of places specifically 343 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: in Europe where hockey is tremendously popular. How about the 344 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 1: kind of the strategy that the league has right now 345 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: in terms of growing its own presence in places like Scandinavia, 346 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: in places like Europe, places like Russia. Yeah, well, I 347 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: think we all know that Hawckey is pretty popular in 348 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: those areas. Uh. To start off with, I think, and 349 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: it's been mentioned by a number of different people, I 350 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 1: think that the the NHL should get back to the Olympics. Um. 351 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's it's an unbelievable window uh to 352 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: to to you know, show the talent of the players. 353 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 1: Um again, show that everybody in the world or or 354 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 1: lots of places in the world play the game, and 355 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: that it's uh that it's an exciting game to watch. 356 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 1: So I'd like I'd like to see the NFL get 357 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: get back into the Olympics. You've worked in the front 358 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: office for NHL teams, you've also been a player. Obviously. 359 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: Is that the player and you're talking or is that 360 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: the front office person you're talking or both about trying 361 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: to get to the Olympics, because there's obviously a divide there. Yeah, well, 362 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: you know what, I'd like to think, it's it's both talking. 363 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: I know, I know from a player's perspective, if there's 364 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: one thing that I would have liked to have done 365 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 1: when I played, has played in the Olympics. But but 366 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: NHL players weren't allowed to play back then. And I 367 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: know that players got a taste of it UH in 368 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: past Olympics, and and and I know a lot of 369 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: them would want to get back. I would think at 370 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: the same time that the more the more you showcase 371 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 1: your sports, the more people get to watch it, the 372 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: more people get to enjoy it, and the more people 373 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 1: want to see it again. So I think from a 374 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: league perspective, yeah, and I think I'm talking from from 375 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: both sides. I don't I don't know, you know where 376 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: the line is that that makes it good or bad 377 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: from a business perspective for the NASA Hockey League. So 378 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 1: that that's how I can't speak for on behalf of them. 379 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: This is geezer bar here, And I'm gonna go back 380 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 1: in the day when I remember when the penalty used 381 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: to be uh in this special penalty, when it was 382 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 1: one on one, when you had the player going to 383 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: the goalie, that was like, Oh my goodness, here it comes. 384 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: And then they changed the rule. So then when you 385 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: got the shootout, that's what you had. And I'm just 386 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: wondering about your thoughts. Do you think that has helped 387 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: the game or it has weakened it a bit? Well, 388 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: you know what I think. I think people like to 389 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: see the game, and um, you know with the with 390 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: the winner off and and obviously throughout two game schedule, 391 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: you can't because that ends up being so many times 392 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: you can't you can have players play over time until 393 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 1: the goal is scored. Uh, you know, just because of injury, 394 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: because of timing issues, because of a whole bunch of 395 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 1: different things. The three on three is unbelievable. I don't 396 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 1: know if if how many people have seen the three 397 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 1: on three when they go into overtime, but there is 398 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: extremely exciting play that that comes from the three on 399 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: three And you know, but five minutes of it is 400 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: enough for for a lot of different reasons. So because 401 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: you want the game to end, because you want to 402 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 1: win and a Lucy get done and going to the shootout. 403 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: So I don't you know, am I a fan of that? Uh? 404 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: I exactly sure if I am or not. But on 405 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: the other hand, am I a fan of seeing someone 406 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: win the game? Yes? I am? And for the game 407 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: to end at some point. So I don't know what 408 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: the what the what the exact the best solution would be, 409 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 1: but this one's not too bad. Alright, Mike, We'll get 410 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: you out on this. The Islanders obviously are constructing a 411 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 1: new building in Elmont. UH. Your thoughts on leaving the 412 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: coliseum and what from a dollars and cents perspective a 413 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: new facility means for that franchise, Well, first of all, 414 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: it gives the New York Island as a home. Um. 415 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 1: You know, the New York Islanders have been going back 416 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 1: and forth for the last couple of years. They went 417 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 1: from NASA to that least for one year. They were 418 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: playing in NASA for a whole bunch of years when 419 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 1: they would have wanted to build an arena UH right 420 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: next door to UH to the coliseum. So I'm glad 421 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: the situation has finally come to UH to to ahead 422 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: and that they're moving UH and that the Islanders are 423 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,439 Speaker 1: going to have a home. I think what it means 424 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: is that from a part marketing perspective, you can you 425 00:22:55,560 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: can market the new arena in in UH Belmont as 426 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 1: as your own and you can start benefiting from UH 427 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 1: from from that new arena and everything that a new 428 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,239 Speaker 1: arena brings in, and you can start to create a 429 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: fan base that knows where to go to see the 430 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: New York Islanders, and and you can create a loyal 431 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: fan base from that. So I think it's it's I'm personally, 432 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 1: I think it's only good news for UH and and 433 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: I'm happy that the new owners were able to We're 434 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 1: able to get this done, all right. I live. This 435 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,199 Speaker 1: is the question, the last question where I try and 436 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 1: get you in trouble. John Tavares left, the team went 437 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 1: to Toronto, their little up and down The Islanders seem 438 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 1: to have found a stride with Barry Trots as a 439 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: defensive minded club. Your thoughts on whether you know the 440 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 1: the addage Sometimes the best deal is the one you 441 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: didn't make long term on the Islanders better positioned without 442 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: having committed all those dollars to one player in John Tavars. 443 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: Then you asked them, you have some really good you guys, 444 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: ask some really good questions. Um, are are they better 445 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: off not having committed those dollars? You know what, in 446 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: the end, in the end, when you want a winning team, 447 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: you end up spending those dollars anyway. But you know, 448 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 1: sometimes sometimes you need that that star player on your 449 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: team to uh, to give you that extra little something 450 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: that that makes you better than than the next team. Um. 451 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: So it's it's hard to say. Uh. You know, John 452 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: John made his own bed. He uh, he made the 453 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 1: decision in the Island is obviously have to have to 454 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 1: have to walk away from that with with nothing. But 455 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 1: on the other hand, as he as he mentioned, uh 456 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: before you ask the question, they've done, they've done pretty 457 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: well post John Tavers hey as a long time Islanders 458 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: fan growing up in huntington' I gotta say I'm okay 459 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: watching Maddie Bars. Yes, absolutely all right. Mike Bossy, thanks 460 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: so much for joining us. We do appreciate it. Mike Bossy, 461 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 1: what cool guy. I'm really just like I was. That's 462 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: one of those moments and I'm sorry. I know I'm 463 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: supposed to be a professional, but I was getting I 464 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: like that we can shot. Yeah. 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