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Speaker 2: Hi, everyone, it's Paul Molldoin. Before we get to this episode,

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Speaker 3: It was like an operatic undertaking.

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Speaker 4: We had this little bit and that little bit of

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Speaker 4: the song King Politine Pam.

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Speaker 3: All these little bathroom window, all these little things.

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Speaker 4: John I always would tend to finish the frightening into

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Speaker 4: a full song, but at this point we kind of

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Speaker 4: had enough songs for the album. We had these fragments,

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Speaker 4: so we hit upon this idea to put the fragments

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Speaker 4: together into a madly and then it would have its

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Speaker 4: own foldness.

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Speaker 5: How was that?

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Speaker 4: And then I wanted an end, and I just happened

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Speaker 4: to think of this little couplet, which in school I

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Speaker 4: had learned that was often how Shakespeare ended with a

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Speaker 4: rhyming couple. And I always thought that was pretty cool

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Speaker 4: that it told his audience at the time, that's it.

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Speaker 1: Folks, I'm Paul muld don.

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Speaker 2: For a while now, I've been fortunate to spend time

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Speaker 2: with one of the greatest songwriters of the era, and.

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Speaker 5: Will you look at me, I'm going on to it.

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Speaker 6: I'm actually a performer.

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Speaker 2: That is, Sir Paul McCartney. We worked together on a

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Speaker 2: book looking at the lyrics of more than one hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty of his songs, and we recorded many hours

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Speaker 2: of our conversations.

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Speaker 4: It was like going back to an old snapshot album

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Speaker 4: looking back on work I hadn't ever analyzed.

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Speaker 2: This is McCartney, a life in lyrics, a masterclass, a memoir,

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Speaker 2: and an improvised journey with one of the most conic

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Speaker 2: figures in popular music. In this episode, the entire Abbey

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Speaker 2: Road Medley Golden Slumbers, carry that with and the end.

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Speaker 2: As a poet, I tend to approach song lyrics as

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Speaker 2: if they were indeed poetry. Sometimes these readings are a stretch,

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Speaker 2: but Paul McCartney takes pride in his literary background. In fact,

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Speaker 2: he says that had his music career not taken off,

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Speaker 2: he may well have been an English teacher.

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Speaker 6: And the.

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Speaker 2: BASTI McCartney's choice to conclude Abbey Road with a rhyming couplet.

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Speaker 2: Hearkens back to a long tradition of endings.

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Speaker 7: For never was a story of more woe than this

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Speaker 7: of Juliet and her Robeo.

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Speaker 2: Shakespeare often marked the end of a scene with a

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Speaker 2: rhyming couplet, which signals to the audience some degree of finality.

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Speaker 2: The couplet indicates the completion of a thought.

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Speaker 7: So long as men can breathe or eyes can see,

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Speaker 7: so long lives this, and this gives life to thee.

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Speaker 2: If the two lines and Paul McCartney's the end function

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Speaker 2: as a concluding couplet, I have come to understand the

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Speaker 2: entire Abbey Road medley golden slumbers. Carry that with and

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Speaker 2: then the end as a sort of figurative sonnet. It's

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Speaker 2: not that Paul McCartney ended Abbey Road with fourteen perfect

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Speaker 2: lines in iambic pentameter. There aren't three quatrains following a

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Speaker 2: This is rock and roll, after all. But when we

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Speaker 2: zoom out, a sonnet is often a poem that wrestles

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Speaker 2: As McCartney put it, the ending says that's it, folks.

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Speaker 2: In other words, these two lines, the only lyrics in

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Speaker 2: if you will golden slumbers.

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Speaker 8: Once there was away to get back on.

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Speaker 2: Paul McCartney was raised towards the end of the golden

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Speaker 2: edge of piano music. Yes, in the mid twentieth century,

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Speaker 4: You read about Gershwin and it says, you know, in

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Speaker 4: And then I think when records came in, then that's

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Speaker 4: A gathering the New Year's Eve do in our case,

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Speaker 4: the boo and the piano were wheeled out, you.

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Speaker 8: Know, once there was a way to get back.

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Speaker 4: Home, and the piano would be belting out these old

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Speaker 4: The Aunties had them down and knew all the verses.

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Speaker 4: But the camaraderie of people all standing around in a

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Speaker 8: Once there was a way to get back home.

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Speaker 4: And I always thought my family was just an ordinary family,

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Speaker 8: Once those away.

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Speaker 9: To get back on, once those away.

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Speaker 10: To get back home, sleep really darn do not cry,

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Speaker 10: and I will sing another bye.

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Speaker 2: In the final days of the Beatles, McCartney took a

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Speaker 2: who had remarried and was living with his wife, Angela

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Speaker 2: how to read sheet music, he went riffling through his

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Speaker 4: I always look in a piano seat because people always

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Speaker 4: have sheet they always used to. Definitely now sometimes it

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Speaker 4: this time I think either in the pianosy door it

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Speaker 4: Golden Slumbers.

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Speaker 2: The sheet music here, performed by the Cambridge Singers, was

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Speaker 2: a Victorian piano melody accompanying a seventeenth century poem called

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Speaker 2: which was written by the Elizabethan dramatists Thomas Dekker, Henry

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Speaker 4: Golden Slumbers, fill your I smiled awake when you're a

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Speaker 4: That chorus that I've used the course literally is the

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Speaker 5: Song is isn't we called sampling? Well, it's called stealing.

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Speaker 4: But because I don't read music, I didn't know what

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Speaker 5: So I put my own melody to.

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Speaker 4: It and just took these words. It's turned out to

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Speaker 4: be quite soulful. I think that's what attracted me to

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Speaker 4: those lyrics in the first place. It's like, you know,

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Speaker 5: It strikes a chord with me.

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Speaker 11: Sleep very dark, do not Cry, and I will sing

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Speaker 4: When I saw those lyrics golden slumbers fill your eyes,

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Speaker 4: it just seemed like a beautiful way to say, go

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Speaker 4: to sleep, my dear smiles, awake you when you rise.

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Speaker 4: I like that too, that's nice and very optimistic.

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Speaker 10: You wear last, Sleep very dark, do not cry.

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Speaker 5: And then I did the other bit.

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Speaker 4: Once there was a way to get back home, because

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Speaker 4: I think at that point.

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Speaker 5: I hadn't been home for a.

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Speaker 4: Long time to get back and here I was at

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Speaker 4: my dad's house. Now this wasn't quite home because it

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: When I got some money. So it wasn't quite home,

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Speaker 6: It was his home once those.

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Speaker 9: Away to get back home.

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Speaker 10: Sleep really darn, do not cry, and.

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Speaker 8: I will sing.

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Speaker 4: So you know, here I was seeing this lovely lullaby

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Speaker 4: you know what's really nice about is talking about this

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Speaker 4: things I love about writing songs is you'll be watching

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Speaker 4: it'll reappear. It'll appear with someone else singing it, and

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Speaker 4: I just love that it's touched their nerve so much

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Speaker 4: so that they think this would be a good song

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Speaker 2: One of the times golden Slumbers reappeared was in the

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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen children's film Sing, where the song was covered

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Speaker 2: by Jennifer Hudson portraying a glamorous and vocally talented animated sheep.

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Speaker 4: They use golden slumbers to open the thing and it's

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Speaker 4: very powerful, and then right at the end we've had

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Speaker 4: the whole story and everything's worked out, they use it again.

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Speaker 4: So you know, people have said to me, do you

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Speaker 4: they're distortions of your original meaning? And I say no, no, no,

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Speaker 4: far from it. I'd love to hear another interpretation of

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Speaker 4: enough of it to cover it. So what's great about

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Speaker 4: it is the next generation who are watching a kid's

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Speaker 4: animation thing now know Golden Slumbers for the same reason exactly.

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Speaker 4: They now know Blackbird. So I'm not surprised when people

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Speaker 4: come up to me or Little Tommy's favorite song is Blackbird.

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Speaker 6: What was Blackbird used in recently?

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Speaker 4: I was used in boss Baby, which is another animation.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I haven't seen that either.

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Speaker 4: Another gap in your cultural picture. It is.

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Speaker 2: Okay now, I would be too much to say that

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Speaker 2: this is a kind of lumbaby for the Beatles.

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Speaker 4: I think that's too much to say, right, but you

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Speaker 4: know it. We've been written around that time, and who knows,

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Speaker 4: you know that I could have been feeling.

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Speaker 5: Down.

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Speaker 4: I actually can't tell you whether this is true or not,

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Speaker 4: but it's very possible that I was feeling down in

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Speaker 4: London went back up to see my dad. I'm feeling

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Speaker 4: down south and thinking, you know, wouldn't it be nice

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Speaker 4: to get home, wouldn't it be nice to have that

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Speaker 4: comfortable feeling again once.

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Speaker 8: There was away to get.

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Speaker 9: Back, once there was away.

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Speaker 5: To get back.

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Speaker 2: There were, indeed, as bon McCartney said, troubles south of

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Speaker 2: Liverpool about which to feel bad. Down in London, the

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Speaker 2: Beatles were hashing out their business matters and the very

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Speaker 2: future of the band. This was the end of the

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Speaker 2: nineteen sixties. The Beatles were the most famous music in

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Speaker 8: You never give me.

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Speaker 2: John, George and Ringo wanted to sign a deal with

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Speaker 2: The band's breakup was so agonizing that McCartney even started

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Speaker 4: You know, we'd started off smoking part right, and it

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Speaker 4: That was the end, And in the end, the love

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Speaker 3: Now that's how I end my concerts, and it feels

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Speaker 2: wrote McCartney. A Life in Lyrics is a co production

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Speaker 2: between iHeartMedia NPL and Pushkin Industries