Speaker 1: They Around the NFL podcast eight Spreee and Sleeps Football from.
Speaker 2: The Chris Westling podcast studio. It's around the NFL. I
Speaker 2: am Dan Hansas. I have Greg Rosenthal and Mark Sessler here, heroes.
Speaker 3: Both just get ready for that honk attack. You know,
Speaker 3: we're talking before the show, how long is.
Speaker 4: This show going to be?
Speaker 3: Where Dan says he feels a honk attack coming. I
Speaker 3: don't think so. We're excited, but we can control it.
Speaker 1: They say.
Speaker 5: It is always Greg who likes to put out a
Speaker 5: number of how how long the show will go on for,
Speaker 5: and he it's always an absurdly low. Now doing he
Speaker 5: said fifty something, I said, Greg is a large reason.
Speaker 5: But we love to hear from Greg, but like it
Speaker 5: is a large reason why the show will go seventy
Speaker 5: five min out.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I try to humor Greg when he says that.
Speaker 4: I go, okay, okay, great, I'm just saying this Wednesday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then and then you lose feeling in your arms.
Speaker 2: It's a honk attack. But we have plenty of reason
Speaker 2: to honk yes on this show, in particular because never
Speaker 2: before since February has football felt this close.
Speaker 1: To being back. Football is back almost.
Speaker 3: I mean we're previewing an actual game games.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is. We're nearing the target.
Speaker 2: It is the Thursday night OPRA is a little over
Speaker 2: twenty four hours away as we tape this, and it's
Speaker 2: the defending champion Chiefs on the field at Arrowhead, with
Speaker 2: or without Travis Kelcey. Interesting little drama to throw into
Speaker 2: things here, and we're gonna preview that game. And we're
Speaker 2: gonna preview this is a new little we talked about
Speaker 2: how we've made some changes to the show. Of course,
Speaker 2: we have our new NFL Plus offerings on Monday and Thursdays.
Speaker 4: First one this Thursday, first one.
Speaker 2: Coming up on Thursday. It's gonna be a lot of
Speaker 2: fun as we head to the Dreamatorium this year. Starting
Speaker 2: this year, we are doing three previews at least every
Speaker 2: Wednesday show, So we're gonna hit the primetime games every
Speaker 2: Wednesday on the podcast, and starting next week, every Wednesday,
Speaker 2: we'll have Colleen Wolf on the show with us, which
Speaker 2: is always a wonderful thing. Mark it is.
Speaker 5: It would be wonderful to have her today, But I
Speaker 5: like that build, that anticipation. I think what we're doing
Speaker 5: it cleans up our Thursday show because it's our draft
Speaker 5: where we draft the games and it's like we cut
Speaker 5: all the fat. But I guess if that's what you
Speaker 5: want to call it and put the streamline primetime fat
Speaker 5: and streamlined it.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's lean.
Speaker 2: That's a better way to describe it.
Speaker 1: It's a lean mess.
Speaker 2: And speaking of Colleen, and check out the Hard Knocks
Speaker 2: finale Around the NFL podcast, which was excellent yesterday. Keith
Speaker 2: Hansis was on the show talking about his thoughts and
Speaker 2: a fifty five year Jet fan and some disco fries
Speaker 2: and pork rolls were served as per New Jersey diner tradition,
Speaker 2: so it was.
Speaker 1: A fun app. Fun app. Check it out.
Speaker 2: But now Hard Knocks is over, the preseason's over, training
Speaker 2: camp's over.
Speaker 4: Our predictions aren't over, though.
Speaker 2: Our predictions aren't over because coming up after the game
Speaker 2: previews go get my lunch, your monster.
Speaker 1: What was that face?
Speaker 5: We're still using these chewing sound drops, which you know
Speaker 5: I don't approve of, but that's fine.
Speaker 1: Well just it's because it's the lunch tie into the seg.
Speaker 4: If the two of you find that sound drop appeal.
Speaker 1: Now I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't have the myso that you do or.
Speaker 3: The food aitarian lifestyle that you do, but I still
Speaker 3: find it well disquiet.
Speaker 5: We're back on the same block there, same side of
Speaker 5: the street, Dan, Dragon, Mark Green.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not good for the show, I have to say,
Speaker 2: but I'm going to work through it if I have
Speaker 2: If that's what this show is now, you guys just
Speaker 2: agreeing on everything. There's a real motivation there, no mark.
Speaker 2: Your your food journey is it's ever, it's ever evolving.
Speaker 2: So I know, maybe that's not even fair anymore to
Speaker 2: say that you're a food atarian ya.
Speaker 5: Does we have to be you know, stay on your
Speaker 5: heels here like things are changing week your toast or
Speaker 5: your heels, Yeah, toes.
Speaker 4: Heels would be like more relaxed. We'll me out of here,
Speaker 4: all right, Yes, go.
Speaker 1: Get my lunch.
Speaker 2: We'll do our sandwich props for the twenty twenty three
Speaker 2: regular season, right, we keep it condensed the regular season
Speaker 2: or did you guys have ones that take us through
Speaker 2: the playoffs and.
Speaker 4: Beyond regular season? For me?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, good, that makes sense. All right, let's get
Speaker 2: before we get to that. We'll have a special guest
Speaker 2: at the end as well, But before any of that,
Speaker 2: let's talk about the games. And yes, let's start at
Speaker 2: I don't do Some people call it jiha field. Jiha
Speaker 2: is a g e h a field. Yeah, I don't care.
Speaker 2: I'll never ever, ever, ever use that arrowhead. Kansas City
Speaker 2: Chiefs coming off another Super Bowl conquest, that brilliant back
Speaker 2: and forth affair with the Philadelphia Eagles their reward. They
Speaker 2: open the season at home and they get the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 2: And Mark will start here that we've already touched on
Speaker 2: this a couple of times, that the Lions are in
Speaker 2: a tough spot here. They are a team that everyone
Speaker 2: kind of loves universally. It seems as an NFC team
Speaker 2: ready to take the next step. But going on the
Speaker 2: road to Casey is a tough way to start the
Speaker 2: season on Thursday night. But the Chiefs might not be
Speaker 2: fully the Chiefs in this game.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so we'll wait and see about Travis Kelcey. That said,
Speaker 5: I mean they've won.
Speaker 1: What happened to Travis Kelcey?
Speaker 5: So he has a bone bruise essentially, and then and
Speaker 5: they so they went and the ACL is intact. It's
Speaker 5: like it's not overly serious, but he's in a day
Speaker 5: to day situation. Seems like we will not see him
Speaker 5: tomorrow night because headline.
Speaker 3: It was felt a little overly serious. So the headline
Speaker 3: being his ACL is intact. I was just like, oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: a little bit. I didn't know that was a question.
Speaker 3: It started.
Speaker 2: The report initially was that he hyper extended his knee
Speaker 2: in practice on Tuesday, and then the same thing I
Speaker 2: woke up in the morning and the headline I saw
Speaker 2: was the acls in attack. It was like, I didn't
Speaker 2: know that was in question. No, that's a season ender, obviously.
Speaker 2: If it so, If it's if it was a close call,
Speaker 2: then you're right, they're probably not gonna play him. However,
Speaker 2: Travis Kelsey doesn't miss games. He had a microfracture knee
Speaker 2: surgery way back in twenty thirteen that cost him time
Speaker 2: at the beginning of his career. He missed one game
Speaker 2: during the COVID season when he got sidelined with a
Speaker 2: positive test or a close call or whatever it was
Speaker 2: back then. Otherwise, this guy finds the field, he's a dog.
Speaker 2: If they tell him his ACL is intact, I think
Speaker 2: he'll probably be on the field. That's just my gut field.
Speaker 4: I tend to think that too. For the reasons you
Speaker 4: just mentioned.
Speaker 5: He is sort of a absolute like durability magnet. I mean,
Speaker 5: you also don't have Chris Jones if you're the Chiefs.
Speaker 5: They've won eight straight Week one matchups, and I think
Speaker 5: the question here with the Lions has been like, do
Speaker 5: I trust that you can get out of the gates.
Speaker 2: Quickly if you're Detroit?
Speaker 5: I do because the things I love about Detroit, which
Speaker 5: is their offensive line, the way that they ran the
Speaker 5: ball last year, you got the best version of Jared Goff.
Speaker 5: I think they've added some weapons that said, like, I
Speaker 5: can't think of a tougher scenario than to have to
Speaker 5: go deal with Andy Reid out of the gate if
Speaker 5: you're Dan Campbell. It's just like it's different than other teams,
Speaker 5: Like Andy Reid has probably cooked some stuff up with
Speaker 5: or without Travis Kelcey that no one's seen before. I
Speaker 5: think this Chiefs offense is going to come at you
Speaker 5: with the run in a way that we haven't seen
Speaker 5: in years past and find a new way to inflict damage.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think of and Andy Reid early in the season as
Speaker 3: a cheat code. He always has a couple of things
Speaker 3: that other teams see and then copy. And this kickoff game,
Speaker 3: I think of you know when when they were the champs.
Speaker 3: But I also think of weren't they on the road
Speaker 3: in New England for the kickoff game? The rare team
Speaker 3: shoop that that that actually won that game because they
Speaker 3: put up you know, forty burger on on the Patriots.
Speaker 3: It's worrisome, but I can't think one worse thing than
Speaker 3: facing the Chiefs in Week one, which would be facing
Speaker 3: them with Chris Jones their most valuable defensive player by far,
Speaker 3: with a healthy Travis Kelce their second most important offensive player.
Speaker 3: That's a big gap between one and two. Still number two.
Speaker 3: And oh, by the way, Lugerious Sneid, the best player
Speaker 3: in their secondary, their best quarterback, has had an injury
Speaker 3: that's kept him out most of camp.
Speaker 4: He's been limited.
Speaker 3: We don't know he's if he's going to play a
Speaker 3: full compliment of that snaps, or if he's going to
Speaker 3: even play at Also, those are three pretty key players
Speaker 3: that at least give the Lions a little hope.
Speaker 2: Here's the latest on Chris Jones before we turn our
Speaker 2: attention to the lines. He was at a charity event
Speaker 2: on Wednesday and he was asked how soon he could
Speaker 2: be ready to play if he reaches a new deal.
Speaker 1: With the Chiefs.
Speaker 2: If a deal gets done, I could be out there
Speaker 2: tomorrow now. Even if the deal does get done and
Speaker 2: he's out there tomorrow, also something that feels totally plausible.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's playing a regular compn of
Speaker 2: snaps considering how everything played out this summer. So yeah,
Speaker 2: you're probably getting a lesser version of Jones, or seeing
Speaker 2: less of Jones, a lesser version of Kelsey, or not
Speaker 2: seeing them at all. And yet the line's probably still
Speaker 2: To me, Greg, it's an uphill climb. Do you think
Speaker 2: they're offense because this casey defense, even with sneed potentially
Speaker 2: being an issue here as well. You think the offensive
Speaker 2: last year shows up for Detroit that kind of surprised
Speaker 2: teams all year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I think it's the same offensive line. And yes,
Speaker 3: you're wondering which wide receiver steps up other than a
Speaker 3: mon Ross Saint Brown, But to me, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: They're a little like the Chiefs now, they're about the line,
Speaker 3: and in the Lions case, the system not necessarily just
Speaker 3: the quarterback. That line which is fully healthy, and actually
Speaker 3: it hasn't been. They've always been like missing one piece.
Speaker 3: But they're fully healthy here against the Chiefs defensive line
Speaker 3: without Chris Jones. Not a lot of pressure on the edges,
Speaker 3: not a lot of pressure in the middle. I mean,
Speaker 3: to me, that's as big a mismatch as Mahomes versus
Speaker 3: the Lions defense, because at least the Lions defense added
Speaker 3: so many new pieces in the secondary. I think they're
Speaker 3: very deep on the defensive line, and Mahomes is not
Speaker 3: playing with all his full complement of guys around him.
Speaker 3: To me, that offensive line versus Chiefs defensive line matchup
Speaker 3: is such a mismatch. You could see a lot of
Speaker 3: Jamir Gibbs running the ball, catching the ball down the field.
Speaker 3: They say they're going to use him in different ways
Speaker 3: that people aren't expecting. I don't know what that means.
Speaker 3: I think they always say that. I think that means
Speaker 3: as a vertical receiver. So it's it's maybe Laporta and Gibbs,
Speaker 3: and that's counting on a lot for a rookie. But
Speaker 3: Goff and those rookies can look better because you just
Speaker 3: keep winning up front over and over.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 5: Tim Twentyman from the Lions website noted that Gibbs could
Speaker 5: potentially function as their primary downfield pass cuntra. I'm with you, Dan,
Speaker 5: right when I hear that stuff, I'm like.
Speaker 4: That's terrible. Let's see. Well, I think it's that tells.
Speaker 2: You, I mean, let's running back that they're talking. They
Speaker 2: are are lacking seriously with James and Williams out, and
Speaker 2: they're trying to find a way to use the running
Speaker 2: back that they overdrafted as their number one deep threat.
Speaker 2: It's a little bit of a red flag for me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, mean, like you don't have DJ Chark anymore. So
Speaker 5: it's a lot on Saint Brown, It's probably a lot
Speaker 5: on Sam Laporta, a rookie tight end who you know.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm with you on this one too day
Speaker 5: and where it's like these rookie tight ends, it's a
Speaker 5: promising class, but you really need to see it first.
Speaker 5: That said, I think like Ben Johnson is one of
Speaker 5: these guys that last year became like a star coordinator,
Speaker 5: extremely creative, and we'll find a way to use these
Speaker 5: chiefs like pieces from different aspects. So you're missing you're
Speaker 5: missing guys at wide receiver. But like I really trust that.
Speaker 5: I think the version we got of Jared Goff behind
Speaker 5: this line can continue. I think it's this notion that
Speaker 5: he's just gonna that was a mirage and he's gonna
Speaker 5: fall off a cliff like so we'll.
Speaker 2: See he's a marksman if you give him time and
Speaker 2: give him a pocket. Once that disappears, it's kind of over.
Speaker 2: But again, Chris Jones, who knows. And I got to say,
Speaker 2: one of the the sen tenants of this podcast is
Speaker 2: winning that that trophy that that locks championship every year.
Speaker 2: And nobody likes the idea that it's back in Greg's garage.
Speaker 4: No, I mean I like it.
Speaker 2: I'm with you.
Speaker 3: I mean I like the fact that it's three out
Speaker 3: of four for.
Speaker 1: Me, but nobody likes it.
Speaker 3: If it becomes four out of five, I think we
Speaker 3: have to think about just calling the end of the
Speaker 3: competition just out of a mercy rule some sort of thing.
Speaker 4: If it.
Speaker 1: Have a serious conversation after the.
Speaker 4: Season, people would have just appreciated about that.
Speaker 2: With that said, I'm starting this thing off. I'm in
Speaker 2: it to win it. I did win the title two
Speaker 2: years ago. I want it back to make it two
Speaker 2: out of three. I'm locking up the Chiefs and Arrowhead.
Speaker 2: The spread is four and a half with it well
Speaker 2: within the mirror considering some of chief the Chiefs issues here,
Speaker 2: and I'm coming for you, Greg, and I'm and I'm
Speaker 2: behind Patrick Mahomes at home in a kickoff game to
Speaker 2: This isn't a field goal game to me. This is
Speaker 2: a touchdown to ten point win. Even with these issues
Speaker 2: they have on both sides of the ball, I'm feeling good.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 5: I mean, we talked about this before the show, and
Speaker 5: I'm very tempted to do the same, but I don't
Speaker 5: think that's good show business tactics.
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna wait on my lock till later.
Speaker 5: What would be an incredible tone setting disaster then for
Speaker 5: you to pick what seems like one of the most
Speaker 5: lockable games out there and then the Lions do what
Speaker 5: they did to the Packers.
Speaker 2: Guys will just both lock up the Falcons anyway, Tomorrow
Speaker 2: we'll see.
Speaker 3: I mean, you can't hate on that you got a
Speaker 3: chance to lock the Chiefs. In hindsight, when we're doing
Speaker 3: our new TNF recap show already, it'll probably seem ridiculous
Speaker 3: that it was available. But I believe in this Lions team.
Speaker 3: They were the team of the Around the NFL podcast
Speaker 3: last day. You guys wanted to drop them like a
Speaker 3: bad habit, but I'm sticking with them. In general, I
Speaker 3: don't think they're gonna win.
Speaker 4: But I do think strong stage.
Speaker 3: I don't think they're gonna win, but I do think
Speaker 3: they have the depth on the defensive line.
Speaker 1: Listen to what you just said.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that whole build up, and then I'm
Speaker 2: sticking with Then.
Speaker 4: What am I gonna do pick them in this spot?
Speaker 3: But yeah, when it was at exactly the number was
Speaker 3: at seven at one point, then it was at six
Speaker 3: and a half, and then it kept and then Kelsey
Speaker 3: thing happened. Now it's down to four. Net like, I
Speaker 3: liked the Lion's side of that. If I had to choose,
Speaker 3: I still like the Lions side of that. It is
Speaker 3: a first time around, though for this secondary when we
Speaker 3: haven't talked about it too much. Cam Sutton coming off
Speaker 3: an injury, Mosley and not coming off an injury, new
Speaker 3: to the team, Mosley coming off an injury, Ced Deuce
Speaker 3: new to the team, Brian Branch new the team. I'm
Speaker 3: excited about this group, but it is the first game
Speaker 3: of the year against the Chiefs, so I just think
Speaker 3: in a shootout, you take the check.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you said that, because earlier you had said
Speaker 2: that they remade the secondary and they have these these
Speaker 2: weapons on offense and the offensive line is intact. That's
Speaker 2: all good, but yeah, sometimes this stuff takes time, especially,
Speaker 2: I mean, think about their defense at the beginning of
Speaker 2: last year before Aaron, They're they're firing the defensive line coach,
Speaker 2: They're and embarrassed by the Patriots, and then they brought
Speaker 2: it in for landing in a really impressive way, which
Speaker 2: is fed into all this optimism around Detroit. But I
Speaker 2: just think it's asking too much week one for the line.
Speaker 2: So if they do look out, just give us a
Speaker 2: good game. I think it's gonna be in the thirties.
Speaker 2: I think you know that over is gonna be reached
Speaker 2: in a nice little Week one.
Speaker 4: I'm hopeful they can keep it close.
Speaker 5: But this does feel like an outlier of an opener,
Speaker 5: while there is there is a variance where like, yeah,
Speaker 5: maybe it's like forty to fourteen and settle down on Detroit.
Speaker 5: I mean, I just mean it's been a compared to
Speaker 5: other openers where it's like two absolutely Kelsey injury Titans.
Speaker 1: An you think that's not.
Speaker 3: Gonna happen Kelsey injury. Yeah, Chris Jones. Like Jones, he
Speaker 3: is such a force multiplier where he helps the guys
Speaker 3: around him, who I'm not that impressed with in general,
Speaker 3: So him not there Canarius Tony is expected to have
Speaker 3: limited snaps, but isn't you know really They're like they
Speaker 3: have had a kind of a rough month relatively.
Speaker 1: All right, let us move to Sunday Night football.
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, honk fist oh.
Speaker 2: I did not. I did not realize this too till
Speaker 2: right now. Both Sunday Night and Monday Night will be
Speaker 2: played at jet Life Stadium.
Speaker 4: So that's never happened. That's that's never happened.
Speaker 2: That foa. Oh, the Giants fans are upset about jet
Speaker 2: Life Stadium on a thread with some East Coasters.
Speaker 1: They don't like it.
Speaker 2: Are you hate that Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 3: I mean, how did a great job by Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 3: But how did it take this long for that nickname
Speaker 3: even to come up come about?
Speaker 4: I guess they didn't have that.
Speaker 2: They like sucked for the entire time at Life Stadium
Speaker 2: has been open, like literally it opened I think what
Speaker 2: in twenty eleven. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like the life of the Jets is not anything
Speaker 4: people were seeking.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was open during the recks there. I don't remember.
Speaker 4: It's been a long time though, so we had the
Speaker 4: Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 3: It was because I think I saw Brett I saw
Speaker 3: I know, I saw Brett Favre play there and that
Speaker 3: was before that.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was two thousand and nine. Dallas Cowboys, New
Speaker 2: York Giants NFC East who uh both both are entering
Speaker 2: this season.
Speaker 1: Greg feeling very good.
Speaker 2: The Cowboys coming off back to back double digit win seasons.
Speaker 2: They think they could win this division and finally get
Speaker 2: over the hump and get back to at least the
Speaker 2: NFC title game. The Giants, they came out of nowhere
Speaker 2: last year, shocked everybody and made the playoffs, and they
Speaker 2: believe they could take the next step.
Speaker 1: What are you seeing in this game?
Speaker 3: I'm seeing a matchup last year that DeMarcus Lawrence specifically
Speaker 3: was a monster, And to me, that speaks to just
Speaker 3: what's great about this Cowboys team that I don't think
Speaker 3: gets enough attention, which is just their defensive line, s depth.
Speaker 3: It's just kind of crazy that they have Sam Williams,
Speaker 3: who on any other team I think would be starting.
Speaker 3: We're talking about making the leap type of guy. He's
Speaker 3: a second year pass rusher. Dwort's Armstrong who's one of
Speaker 3: the best reserve pass rushers in the league.
Speaker 4: And then you have Lawrence.
Speaker 3: Who's still playing this well across from my defensive Player
Speaker 3: of the Year favorite, Micah Parsons, and Parsons last year
Speaker 3: had one game where we really did quite well against
Speaker 3: Andrew Thomas in one game less So and Andrew Thomas
Speaker 3: is an all pro type of guy, but Evan Neil
Speaker 3: is not, and he wasn't last year as a first
Speaker 3: round pick. And Lawrence ate him for lunch last year
Speaker 3: in those two matchups and really harassed Daniel Jones, who
Speaker 3: did not play well in the first one of those games.
Speaker 3: The other was on Thanksgiving. It was a back and
Speaker 3: forth game. But it's crazy, Mark, like, they haven't beaten
Speaker 3: Dak Prescott. And I know not to put too much
Speaker 3: into these, that's with previous teams, but they haven't beaten
Speaker 3: Dak Prescott in the last ten times they played.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's although this Giants, this incarnation of the Giants,
Speaker 5: I think is even different from last year's And I
Speaker 5: feel like there's no team in the league that people
Speaker 5: sort of universally seem to be down on than what
Speaker 5: the Giants at, what they did last year, what it
Speaker 5: actually meant, and what it means for this season, like
Speaker 5: this team, because the one thing the Cowboys did on
Speaker 5: defense was they were a takeaway machine and they found
Speaker 5: a way to hassle teams week after week that the
Speaker 5: Giant's under day ball last year had the second fewest giveaways.
Speaker 5: And I think part of it is you add someone
Speaker 5: like Jalen Hyatt to the mix. What we've been hearing
Speaker 5: about Daryl Darren Waller could potentially completely change this offense
Speaker 5: if you get the good version of him.
Speaker 4: And I think people are a little too low on
Speaker 4: Daniel Jones.
Speaker 5: I know he got paid a lot of money, but
Speaker 5: I think we're on the edge of like a Daniel
Speaker 5: Jones like evolution under day ball.
Speaker 4: We're gonna see more elements of his game.
Speaker 5: They were not a deep ball team last year on
Speaker 5: any level, but he was one of the most efficient
Speaker 5: right He was the most efficient running quarterback in the league.
Speaker 4: And there are Josh Allen elements to his game.
Speaker 5: Chris Collinsworth noted that after watch kind of deeply watching
Speaker 5: his tape that he saw elements of Patrick Mahomes in
Speaker 5: terms of like, oh not stare. I know it sounds crazy,
Speaker 5: but not just automatically going to his first read with
Speaker 5: tucking the ball in and deciding what to do with it,
Speaker 5: creating space getting his wide receivers open. So I think
Speaker 5: the passing attack from Daniel Jones has a chance to
Speaker 5: make a big leap, especially with Waller there.
Speaker 4: And I think people are just a little too low
Speaker 4: on the Giants.
Speaker 3: I love it as defenses, I think that was the key,
Speaker 3: and he kind of did on that. It was a
Speaker 3: Thanksgiving game. I remember it right against the Cowboys, but
Speaker 3: he took a lot of sacks in those two games
Speaker 3: and he hasn't done it against the big defenses.
Speaker 4: He kind of ate up some bad ones.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's kind of the genius of Brian Dable
Speaker 2: that he did it with Josh Allen. He kind of
Speaker 2: took over and diagnosed what Josh Allen does well and
Speaker 2: had to accentuate what he does well and turned him
Speaker 2: into a superstar or helped turn him into a superstar.
Speaker 2: And then he did the same thing with Daniel Jones
Speaker 2: and looked at what he did well, what he did wrong,
Speaker 2: and what you saw last year was a lot more scrambling,
Speaker 2: a lot more first reads and taking off picking up
Speaker 2: first downs. He's near the top of the league of
Speaker 2: all quarterbacks in terms of rushing yards rushing for first downs,
Speaker 2: and it made him a much more efficient player and
Speaker 2: a less turnover prone player. Now the book is out Giant,
Speaker 2: the teams know that's what the Giants how they want
Speaker 2: to use Jones. I think the all that talk about
Speaker 2: Darren Waller, that's what's so great about the games coming
Speaker 2: now because now we can see after all this talk
Speaker 2: about how much of a difference Darren Waller we'll make
Speaker 2: for this offense in the red zone and giving Jones
Speaker 2: a true threat. Dark Waller hasn't been that guy for
Speaker 2: two years, so they're banking on him being healthy and
Speaker 2: kind of being reinvigorated within this offense. And we're gonna
Speaker 2: see it against the Cowboys, because what it teams like
Speaker 2: to do when they have a shining new toy. As
Speaker 2: soon as they get their first chance, they're gonna do
Speaker 2: everything in their power to make Waller a star in
Speaker 2: this game.
Speaker 1: And I want to see what kind of production he is.
Speaker 3: I'm very curious what dave O will do kind of
Speaker 3: for a second act here because Daniel Bellinger was a
Speaker 3: good rookie last year, a good rookie tight end if
Speaker 3: he had stayed healthy the whole season, like he had
Speaker 3: a better rookie season on some level than like Kyle
Speaker 3: Pitts was having for Atlanta. That's a nice little two
Speaker 3: tight end group. I'm not saying he's that sort of talent.
Speaker 3: Now you have all these receivers who actually stayed healthy,
Speaker 3: I'm very curious how will attack And I do think
Speaker 3: if the Giants can win this game, it's because their
Speaker 3: defensive line steps up another level because the defensive line.
Speaker 3: Dexter Lawrence was their best player last year, but Kavon
Speaker 3: has a chance to be better even than he was,
Speaker 3: and he was.
Speaker 4: But you do want a beer.
Speaker 3: O Jalari's there, like it could be a very good
Speaker 3: defensive line. Tyler Smith did. The Cowboys starting guard had
Speaker 3: a hamstring injury that they had an mry On. They've
Speaker 3: changed around their offensive line, so that's something where they
Speaker 3: could keep this game low scoring and ugly by getting
Speaker 3: a lot of pressure on Dak. But this is the
Speaker 3: same team, to be fair, that you know couldn't beat
Speaker 3: Cooper Rush last year.
Speaker 4: No they couldn't.
Speaker 5: I mean it's also you know, I know, you move
Speaker 5: on from the offensive coordinator. But with Dak in the
Speaker 5: lineup last year, the Cowboys averaged thirty points a game,
Speaker 5: the most by any starting quarterback. He also missed five
Speaker 5: games through fifteen interceptions. I know a lot of them
Speaker 5: weren't on him, but I just feel like Dak already
Speaker 5: is under immense pressure. And I think if you're Mike
Speaker 5: McCarthy and you're calling plays now, it's like there is
Speaker 5: some pressure there to get out of the gate quickly.
Speaker 4: Like a loss to the Giants would be a mega disaster.
Speaker 3: Going against two rookie cornerbacks that I've said it before here,
Speaker 3: but that that's pretty interesting Deontay Banks and then Hawkins
Speaker 3: their six round pick.
Speaker 1: The running backs where nobody's underlock. That's true. Oh, by
Speaker 1: the way, there.
Speaker 3: Is a new our favorites by the way road Favorites.
Speaker 3: I think it's like two and a half.
Speaker 4: Really not surprising.
Speaker 3: It seems about right. That's not that's in the nether zone.
Speaker 3: But yeah, they are slight favorites.
Speaker 2: Hang on one second here, I gotta find this from
Speaker 2: Davial Lely, who does great job on the desk and
Speaker 2: then he'll save me send me stuff occasionally that I
Speaker 2: would like. And here is this is on Twitter from
Speaker 2: Calvin Watkin. What a coworker. Yeah, Mike McCarthy said, the
Speaker 2: theme of the season is carpe omnia. It's Latin, right,
Speaker 2: and that means sees everything. The Cowboys have an empty
Speaker 2: picture frame in front of the team meeting room. Picture
Speaker 2: says a one thousand words. He said, wait, what, I
Speaker 2: don't know anything that everything I just read.
Speaker 3: So there's an empty picture frame and they have to
Speaker 3: make the picture.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: I like the what was the phrase again, car skarpe omnia? No,
Speaker 4: I like that because sees everything? Right.
Speaker 3: If you if you just seize the day, that's just
Speaker 3: one day. When's this game played? Dan, Well, it's not
Speaker 3: Sunday football, it's Sunday night football.
Speaker 4: You leave a big hole there.
Speaker 2: In general, Yeah, strategy, there's three hundred and sixty five days.
Speaker 2: Sees the day? Or what day? What about the rest?
Speaker 2: This is everything. Good job by McCarthy.
Speaker 4: Everything everything includes you know, positives.
Speaker 2: But again, Cowboys have an empty picture frame in front
Speaker 2: of the team meeting room. Picture says a thousand words.
Speaker 4: He says, overly complex. Yeah, this is too much.
Speaker 3: If Jonathan Gannon did this, everyone would be crushing him.
Speaker 3: But you know, Macarthy's got it.
Speaker 2: It's kind of a mojo moment though he's talking. It
Speaker 2: all kind of comes back to mojo moments. The running back.
Speaker 2: The running backs are Saquon Barkley on one side, Tony
Speaker 2: Pollard on the other. Barkley had a big bounce back
Speaker 2: season last year. We'll see what he can do as
Speaker 2: an encore. What is Pollard status? Does he all systems
Speaker 2: go or.
Speaker 3: It's interesting because he never he didn't play in the preseason,
Speaker 3: but yes, they are talking about him like he's going
Speaker 3: to get a pretty heavy workload.
Speaker 2: I think, weirdly, not a lot of conversation about the
Speaker 2: guy got off the broken leg, and.
Speaker 3: That is a concern and a guy that's never been
Speaker 3: that guy as consistently as a twenty plus touch guy.
Speaker 3: So I'd like to see a little Douce fawn on
Speaker 3: my Think you Will first Sunday Night on NBC. I
Speaker 3: see U, NBC executives, I know what you're doing. What's
Speaker 3: the number one matchup in the NFL in terms of
Speaker 3: ratings over the last fifteen years?
Speaker 1: Uh fifteen years?
Speaker 3: It's Giants Eagles is giving you the answer if you
Speaker 3: look at I mean, wait, what did I just say?
Speaker 3: Giants Cowboys?
Speaker 4: I blew it.
Speaker 3: I blew it tough, the season's over.
Speaker 1: What about someone was like the Colts Pats games.
Speaker 4: But just consistently if you look at okay, no, that
Speaker 4: makes sense.
Speaker 3: And Giants Cowboys are like five or six of the
Speaker 3: top ten always in Sunday Night football.
Speaker 4: They've done this before, most so.
Speaker 3: And then you put it on week one, which is
Speaker 3: often the biggest week of the year. This is the
Speaker 3: biggest match of the biggest week of the They're gonna
Speaker 3: they're looking for They're looking.
Speaker 5: For Bondo and you know, I look, anyone was myssedify
Speaker 5: how this wound up being like the open Sunday Night.
Speaker 1: But there's always been.
Speaker 2: It used to happen a lot on the show when
Speaker 2: one or neither of the teams was relevant, like come on,
Speaker 2: let's grow up, Peter Pan. It gets monster ratings and
Speaker 2: that's all that matters. That's what TV is.
Speaker 5: I think you're pointing to the fact that the Cowboys
Speaker 5: were often dinged by certain people on the show for
Speaker 5: sucking and still getting massive primetime share the money. Well,
Speaker 5: of course, I think about you were children back then
Speaker 5: when we now were that way.
Speaker 1: Let's pick this game, tough one.
Speaker 2: I kind of like the g men and they're building here.
Speaker 2: I'm going to pick the Cowboys to win the division.
Speaker 2: Something gonna start on with the loss on the road.
Speaker 3: No, it's it's a division game. I do like division
Speaker 3: games a week one just gives a little extra.
Speaker 1: I like I like a twenty four to twenty Giants win.
Speaker 3: How about wow, I you know I was wrong. It's
Speaker 3: a three and a half point number, and that's.
Speaker 4: A little disrespectful. I think it is the Giants.
Speaker 3: But this is where I'd probably try to thread the needle,
Speaker 3: as as we like to say on a game debut,
Speaker 3: where I'd probably picked the Giants to uh cover that
Speaker 3: even though it's small, and pick the Cowboys to win.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 5: Well, you know I do that little picks thing each
Speaker 5: week where that little picks thing, well because we sell it.
Speaker 1: Here's what you do.
Speaker 4: Like no one knows about the ones you get wrong.
Speaker 5: But if you pick like it's a sharp underdog and
Speaker 5: like you're one of the only of the ten people
Speaker 5: that did. You got all these other these people from
Speaker 5: New York saying like New Jersey great job, you believe
Speaker 5: in us. I picked the Giants, and I'm picking them
Speaker 5: right here. I'll say twenty one to twenty right, so
Speaker 5: jee men.
Speaker 3: I have to bring you guys. Know, my son's a
Speaker 3: big NFL plus guy, huge, you know. It just loves
Speaker 3: loves the you know, loves the live game, loves the
Speaker 3: local games, loves the primetime games. You can watch this
Speaker 3: one on a NFL Plus. Giants, Cowboys, good plug.
Speaker 4: Good way to you know, essentially use your child to
Speaker 4: uh write.
Speaker 3: Well, he's doing it without that even we even wanting to.
Speaker 3: They had this thing up and I was like, what
Speaker 3: is he even watching? It's like a voiceover. It's very snappy,
Speaker 3: really well done. It's predictions, and I realized it's it's
Speaker 3: the Sessler group prediction.
Speaker 1: Mark Ed Sessler.
Speaker 3: They talk about it and then they show up the
Speaker 3: predictions and I got it up into it.
Speaker 4: But I've got some news for you.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you entered your eight this week
Speaker 3: they had all ten up. No, mar and I didn't Sessler.
Speaker 3: I didn't see.
Speaker 1: Something Mark week one. Baby.
Speaker 5: I know exactly what happened because we were literally taping
Speaker 5: a show while the deadline was passing.
Speaker 3: So I was like, did have a weird spot that
Speaker 3: seemed almost empty.
Speaker 4: I think they were holding it.
Speaker 5: It's they are, but the I think the actual voiceover
Speaker 5: individual for those you know these people, I think I
Speaker 5: think they inserted his production prediction maybe and instead of
Speaker 5: mine for this first week.
Speaker 2: One more Okay, let's keep an eye on that going forward.
Speaker 2: One more prediction.
Speaker 4: To me at the reaction, I was like, Dak.
Speaker 2: Prescott will throw two more crucial interceptions in this game
Speaker 2: that the echo chamber will say, we're not his fault.
Speaker 5: Okay, Like there were a couple of year that were like,
Speaker 5: you know, tipped, Here's that he literally was one of
Speaker 5: the best quarterbacks in the league at preventing interceptions until
Speaker 5: last year.
Speaker 4: That's just a fact.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that's what's gonna happen in my mind
Speaker 2: mind on Sunday. Let's take a break, and then we'll
Speaker 2: get to a certain Monday night football game of incredible intrigue.
Speaker 2: All right, we're back again. If you're just joining us,
Speaker 2: which would be weird, it's a podcast. Maybe you got
Speaker 2: into the car with your buddy, and your buddy was
Speaker 2: listening to the first half hour.
Speaker 1: Of the show.
Speaker 3: Maybe you're a huge fan of this game. You looked
Speaker 3: at that description where our producer at times does the
Speaker 3: time codes and he just had to get to this
Speaker 3: game coded it.
Speaker 5: You've got two friends driving around town together.
Speaker 2: In this scenario. Just listen, just listening. Very bizarre. That's
Speaker 2: your thumb, Eric, Is it anything weird happening? It's actually
Speaker 2: surprisingly like any growth. That's what we're looking for.
Speaker 1: Growth.
Speaker 7: I mean it if honestly, it don't hold him up,
Speaker 7: You wouldn't. You wouldn't like, it wouldn't catch your eye
Speaker 7: too bad. The nail looks kind of fed up. The
Speaker 7: thumb itself is actually kind of it feels weird.
Speaker 2: Mark and I were looking for the sci fi element.
Speaker 2: If you have any flesh growth, yeah, no, what you
Speaker 2: were told by your doctor?
Speaker 4: The doctor.
Speaker 2: Are you sure that was a doctor? We don't know.
Speaker 2: It's not. When when your wife handed the doctor a
Speaker 2: part of flesh in an ice bag and he's like,
Speaker 2: what's that for and then threw it into the toxic
Speaker 2: waste basket, that was a bit.
Speaker 1: Of a red flag.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he did seem lost, like.
Speaker 2: He couldn't even fathom why your wife was in there
Speaker 2: with that bag or unable to piece together what was happening,
Speaker 2: Red Flag.
Speaker 1: Was this a real hospital?
Speaker 4: Yes, it was like a vet, like when the gangsters have.
Speaker 2: To go to the vet, the guy that they pay off,
Speaker 2: and they have to do it in the basement.
Speaker 4: Always, and it's weird that they will be all right.
Speaker 2: The gunshot, it didn't catch any major organs. I'm in
Speaker 2: a lot of pain.
Speaker 1: You all be fine. Stop being a cry baby. You
Speaker 1: know that old thing.
Speaker 4: That is the thing.
Speaker 3: It's also weird like that he had the toxic waste
Speaker 3: in his locker and it was like, you know, right
Speaker 3: underneath like Doc's tasty treats.
Speaker 7: It was very They just drenched the thumb and like
Speaker 7: whiskey and get a piece of tree to bite the.
Speaker 2: Old the old vet in the back pocket, the old
Speaker 2: piece of organized crime.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Monday night football.
Speaker 4: That's the show right here, that's the show. Stum, It's
Speaker 4: not just the football, it's the other stuff too.
Speaker 1: Okay, Uh, It's finally here.
Speaker 2: After months of anticipation, Aaron Rodgers will make his debut
Speaker 2: in a game that counts against of all teams, the
Speaker 2: Mighty Buffalo Bills. Eric Roberts his own Buffalo Bills. They
Speaker 2: are back to back to back division champs.
Speaker 1: Uh and again.
Speaker 2: Feel and mark like a super Bowl or bust year
Speaker 2: for the Bills. So to get this Bills team on
Speaker 2: the road and Monday Night against this Jets team that
Speaker 2: that arrived on defense last year were quarterback short and
Speaker 2: got Aaron E. Fing Rodgers, Now that is a great
Speaker 2: way to end the week.
Speaker 5: This is the game. It is just like the most
Speaker 5: mysterious sporting event. And like I get it. I think
Speaker 5: it's it gets tiresome to say that we're gonna be
Speaker 5: fascinated by X, Y and Z, but this is the
Speaker 5: one that sits there out on Monday Night. Absolutely because
Speaker 5: the Jets have been treated in a way that few
Speaker 5: sports teams are with having proven literal to nothing and
Speaker 5: it's not default, but it's like they are the headline.
Speaker 5: The Bills are not the Bills somehow have been superseded here.
Speaker 5: And I think one thing that you can point to
Speaker 5: from a year ago because what carries over Robert SAWA's defense,
Speaker 5: This Jets defense, the defensive line, I think is as
Speaker 5: good as anything the NFL has at any position group.
Speaker 5: We've talked about that and Josh Allen last year he
Speaker 5: struggled against the Jets. They knocked him off in one game.
Speaker 5: He averaged one hundred fewer passing yards against the Jets
Speaker 5: than any other team. And this is Josh Allen. I
Speaker 5: think this is a you know, post Brian Daball. There
Speaker 5: have been some issues. I know there was an injury
Speaker 5: last year. He's still fantastic on the ground and does
Speaker 5: things that few other people can do. But he is
Speaker 5: accountable for twenty nine interceptions over the last two seasons,
Speaker 5: which is the most in the league. And I would
Speaker 5: just say that this Jets defense, it's not just every
Speaker 5: The attention is all on Aaron Rodgers and understandably on
Speaker 5: hard knocks to begin with. But I think this is
Speaker 5: a defense that's going to generate turnovers on a weekly basis,
Speaker 5: going to generate massive punishment on a quarter.
Speaker 2: They do that last year, by the way, turnovers, that
Speaker 2: was the one issue with the defense. They could flip
Speaker 2: that out of the bottom of the league.
Speaker 5: But I think that the like I go back to
Speaker 5: this like Steelers Bills preseason game, and I guess just
Speaker 5: wipe away everything from the preseason. But I thought Josh
Speaker 5: Allen had looked uncomfortable at times in this preseason like
Speaker 5: seeing pressure that wasn't there. And I just wonder if
Speaker 5: this Jets defense at home, if they can respond quickly.
Speaker 5: You're asking them to grow up in a minute. We're
Speaker 5: going to find out the truth right away about who
Speaker 5: the Jets are. But I love this opportunity for what
Speaker 5: they're good at to thrive against Josh Allen.
Speaker 3: I think it could really be a defensive game. And
Speaker 3: I predicted that the Bills win the division when we
Speaker 3: did our season predictions, and so I go into this
Speaker 3: one thinking, look, everyone's looking past this team.
Speaker 4: They are favored the Bills in this game. But when
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 3: About those matchups, that does matter. Last year he averaged
Speaker 3: under six yards per attempt against the Jets. He had
Speaker 3: two interceptions, no touchdowns in a game that Zach Neilson
Speaker 3: started at quarterback and one I mean, I think that
Speaker 3: matters because you are just looking at the Jets' biggest
Speaker 3: strength by far up front on the defensive line, and
Speaker 3: it's not just one guy, it's six guys versus what,
Speaker 3: in my mind, is the Bill's biggest weakness if you
Speaker 3: had to choose one, certainly on their offense and maybe
Speaker 3: on their whole roster, which is their offensive line, and
Speaker 3: we've already seen Robert Salah matches up well here, and
Speaker 3: so after thinking about it more, Josh Allen's gonna have
Speaker 3: to get the rid of the ball quickly and he's
Speaker 3: gonna have to maybe pick on the Jets' safeties getting
Speaker 3: the ball over the middle of the field. But I
Speaker 3: like this matchup for the Jets because of the defense.
Speaker 3: I think it's a defensive game both ways.
Speaker 2: Well, look at last year, so you mentioned it, Robert
Speaker 2: sala and that Jets defense had Josh Allen in a blender.
Speaker 2: It was the high point of their season. I believe
Speaker 2: it was about Week nine or ten, twenty seventeen win
Speaker 2: at the Metal Lands where Allen really struggled. He took
Speaker 2: a vicious hit that stuck with him for the rest
Speaker 2: of the season, an injury that really I think a
Speaker 2: lot of people attributed to affecting his play down the stretch.
Speaker 2: And then when the Jets were in their free fall
Speaker 2: later in the season, they still hung with them and
Speaker 2: I think they put maybe twenty points and.
Speaker 3: He had one hundred and forty seven yards and was
Speaker 3: sacked three times eight on the year.
Speaker 2: So now again teams adjust, last year is last year
Speaker 2: this year is this year. But we don't need to
Speaker 2: look at this game and say, oh, you know Stefan Diggs, who,
Speaker 2: by the way, has to deal with Sauce and the Bills.
Speaker 1: They're going to be off and running.
Speaker 2: Now remember last year, Like we were at the game
Speaker 2: when the season started last year, the Street and the
Speaker 2: Bills hit the ground running and they beat up on
Speaker 2: the Rams and they looked unstoppable. I just would be
Speaker 2: really surprised if the Jets might lose this game.
Speaker 1: Certainly possible.
Speaker 2: It's a very tough game, but I'd be very surprised
Speaker 2: that the defense faltered and played poorly. I agree, I
Speaker 2: think this is going to be a defensive back and forth.
Speaker 2: I think the Aaron Rodgers stands, myself included with the
Speaker 2: Jets are gonna want him to throw four touchdowns and
Speaker 2: have the storybook game.
Speaker 1: I don't think that happens either.
Speaker 2: This feels to me like a twenty seven type game
Speaker 2: at twenty seventeen type game that can go either way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean structurally, I think the Jets have to
Speaker 5: win a lot of these games this season in a
Speaker 5: really rough schedule out of the gate with their defense,
Speaker 5: so it's not just going to be Aaron Rodgers. I
Speaker 5: think that X factor you talked about that Bill's Rams
Speaker 5: game from a year ago, it was the pass rush
Speaker 5: that completely exposed a totally faulty Rams offensive line. You
Speaker 5: need Dwayne Brown, McKai becton to show up and play well.
Speaker 5: And that's not just this week, but it's like there
Speaker 5: are Jets questions along their line as well. I do
Speaker 5: think though, that why Aaron Rodgers can succeed sooner than
Speaker 5: you'd expect potentially, is that they've surrounded him with players
Speaker 5: he's comfortable with. Nathaniel Hackett was a mess last year,
Speaker 5: but under Nathaniel Hackett in recent days, Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2: My name is Nathaniel Hackett. Thanks, it's nice to see
Speaker 2: you out here.
Speaker 5: I don't Yeah, it's like he sounds like a funny guy,
Speaker 5: But I like Aaron Rodgers an eleven touchdowns and thirteen
Speaker 5: picks under Hackett in this past three seasons, underneath them
Speaker 5: with one hundred and nine point two rating and two MVPs. So,
Speaker 5: no matter what you think about what happened last year,
Speaker 5: if you're Sean Payton or someone else, Hackett and Rodgers
Speaker 5: worked together, I think you put Rogers in an environment
Speaker 5: where if the line stays together like he can succeed quickly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, getting deep shots against Micah Hyde and Poyer and
Speaker 3: that deep safety group.
Speaker 4: Is gonna be tough.
Speaker 3: But I do think the secondary receivers like who can
Speaker 3: win those matchups?
Speaker 4: Do you like the matchups a little better?
Speaker 3: I think for the Jets of a Lizard or a
Speaker 3: mcole Hardman winning against some of these secondary cornerbacks. For
Speaker 3: the Bills, they're still kind of rotating. They're still looking
Speaker 3: for their secondary depth. Whereas for the Bills, if Diggs
Speaker 3: is taken out, you're counting on Trent Sherfield and Dalton
Speaker 3: Kincaid and maybe they get it going. But in tougher
Speaker 3: matchups again events a very deep Jets secondary.
Speaker 4: No one talks about DJ Reid.
Speaker 5: No, you know, there's Saucecinger, but DJ Reid actually did
Speaker 5: a lot more of covering number one wide outs a
Speaker 5: year ago.
Speaker 2: J Reid was the unexpected like find on their defense.
Speaker 2: I wish I need the season to start. DJ Reid
Speaker 2: is out here telling the media this week that the
Speaker 2: Jets could be the eighty five Bears on defense. That's
Speaker 2: the type of stuff I don't need right now. And
Speaker 2: now it's time. Just don't pump yourself any more than necessary.
Speaker 1: Let's get to it.
Speaker 2: I think that besides, with the Rogers side of things,
Speaker 2: the thing that I most want to see is in
Speaker 2: a game situation, this Jets defensive line, because that has
Speaker 2: a chance to really power the entire team. And I
Speaker 2: don't even know what's going on with the Carl Lawson
Speaker 2: at this point with a back issue that continues to linger.
Speaker 2: But the old parcels'sm Gregie, he's a progress stopper potentially
Speaker 2: at this point. With Jermaine Johnson and Will McDonald and
Speaker 2: Quinn Williams and John Franklin Myers, Michael Clemens, these guys
Speaker 2: are gonna go get Bryce huff is a nice, complimentary
Speaker 2: guy that they just keep coming at you. This is
Speaker 2: what Salah has been trying to build since he got there,
Speaker 2: and now they get to unleash it in prime time
Speaker 2: with everyone watching for four quarters. I'm really excited to
Speaker 2: see how that defense looks in the front and how
Speaker 2: the Buffalo Bills try to combat that, because that's gonna
Speaker 2: play into you would imagine the game plan for Buffalo
Speaker 2: is we know they're dogs and they're gonna be coming
Speaker 2: after us, so that might limit their ability to attack
Speaker 2: the safeties with deep shots, because they're gonna try more
Speaker 2: of a quick hitting affair on their offense.
Speaker 3: Something quick over the middle. And this is why I'm
Speaker 3: so glad they gave Troy and Joe all that money.
Speaker 3: This just this is a game that deserves a little
Speaker 3: Troy and Joe. You got Gardner versus Digs. Maybe the
Speaker 3: best cornerback wide receive of her matchup we're seeing twice
Speaker 3: a year. It just deserves this whole thing deserves a little.
Speaker 3: This is why they game all that.
Speaker 1: I'm neivous.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna ask at this point, I like
Speaker 4: that I'm not going to be here.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be bunkered up with my sons and my wife,
Speaker 2: who loves hard knocks no matter who the team is.
Speaker 2: She said she's gonna be following the Jets this year
Speaker 2: as a result, speaking of hard knock.
Speaker 3: Finally, I mean I took how is she in her marriage?
Speaker 2: I'm never around? You know that's true. Did you happen
Speaker 2: to catch the finale?
Speaker 1: Mark?
Speaker 4: I have not seen that yet. Well, at the first
Speaker 4: fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2: The show takes a hard left turn about midway through
Speaker 2: into an Unsolved Mysteries episode. Can we play a little
Speaker 2: bit of Aaron Rodgers talking about in UFO sighting in
Speaker 2: New Jersey in two thousand when was he drafted five
Speaker 2: two thousand and five?
Speaker 8: We just stood frozen, the three of us on the
Speaker 8: front stoop of Steve's house, and the seconds later we
Speaker 8: heard the real recognizable sound of fighter jets going that
Speaker 8: seemed to be chasing this object. And again we just
Speaker 8: stood there in just disbelief for another few minutes. Nobody
Speaker 8: said a word, and then we all kind of looked
Speaker 8: each other like did we just see what? We think
Speaker 8: we just saw? What was that?
Speaker 4: I love it?
Speaker 1: It's complete.
Speaker 2: Man is coming from a man who fans like myself
Speaker 2: have tied everything to talking like that.
Speaker 5: He's spoken about UFOs before, I believe in the past,
Speaker 5: And you know, I think like this, this summer has
Speaker 5: been good for Aaron Rodgers. Hard knocks has been good,
Speaker 5: and like where if he would have said that a
Speaker 5: year ago, I think it would have been chuckled off
Speaker 5: the stage. But Greg, I know you've been a little
Speaker 5: suspicious of Aaron Rodgers the human are you do?
Speaker 6: You like?
Speaker 1: We're just moving off the alien stuff now.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm saying I think that he's telling the
Speaker 5: truth of the variance he had. Baker Mayfield saw you.
Speaker 5: I guess that's if you you know there's these I
Speaker 5: didn't believe that. You didn't believe that.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't believe that.
Speaker 3: No, I don't remember Rogers, but not Mayfield because he's
Speaker 3: better if Okay, in place for the jest, sense.
Speaker 5: Kind of ran out of football content there on the
Speaker 5: on maybe at the tail end of Hard Knocks a
Speaker 5: little bit, okay.
Speaker 2: Keith Hansers, by the way, on the Hard Knocks podcast,
Speaker 2: told a great story of being twenty years old in
Speaker 2: the early seventies and waiting at Hofstra University at the
Speaker 2: dorms out in Long Island, and his buddy Pete and
Speaker 2: Peppos who went who played football at Hofstra, said, every night,
Speaker 2: Joe's the last one before before a curfew. He will
Speaker 2: every night without fel get there right at the curfew
Speaker 2: eleven PM. So let's go have a couple of beers
Speaker 2: and come back here right at curfew, And sure enough
Speaker 2: Joe comes barreling around the corner, Wow, at exactly ten
Speaker 2: point fifty eight in his Cadillac, and my dad meets
Speaker 2: Joe Namath and go check out the episode to hear
Speaker 2: the rest of it.
Speaker 5: But how how has he not told us that story before?
Speaker 5: I've heard the story, okay, because I mean I've hung
Speaker 5: out with ye. It was talked about the Jets.
Speaker 2: It was very good work by Keith. Unprompted to bring
Speaker 2: up that story.
Speaker 5: You were going to say he also saw a UFO.
Speaker 5: Apparently everyone but us is.
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know what I gotta I've seen.
Speaker 4: The Colleen's father has seen one too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about that story again as well, but
Speaker 2: I would I'm curious next time Keith's on, will get
Speaker 2: him on at some point to check in with the Jets.
Speaker 2: Let's ask him what he thinks about UFO. All right,
Speaker 2: all right, any other thoughts? How about the game? Let's
Speaker 2: pick this one.
Speaker 3: I think I changed my mind as I was talking
Speaker 3: and will take the Jets in a whoam in this
Speaker 3: week one game. I like to build better for the season,
Speaker 3: but I think the Jets win this game.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just going with my heart on this a
Speaker 5: little bit. I think that the Jets nip him, and
Speaker 5: I think that MetLife is going to be as on
Speaker 5: fire as it's ever been since the crescendoing heights of
Speaker 5: Rex Ryan.
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think that's a good call.
Speaker 2: I don't think it'll ever be as hot in terms
Speaker 2: of a Jets game as it's gonna be when Rogers
Speaker 2: takes the field. Of course, I'll take the Jets to
Speaker 2: two late touchdown pass by Aaron Rodgers to c j
Speaker 2: Uzama for the win. And that means we all pick
Speaker 2: the Jets. Everyone on Good Good Morning Football picked the
Speaker 2: Jets to go to the playoffs. It's it's gas up
Speaker 2: season for the Jets. But you know what, I'm taking
Speaker 2: all that anxiety out of my mind. It's time to
Speaker 2: play football. Let's see what happens.
Speaker 1: Whatever they say about a and Rodgers on TV.
Speaker 2: Is a lie.
Speaker 1: All right. That's it.
Speaker 2: That is the previews of the three prime time games,
Speaker 2: and like we said, this is going to be an
Speaker 2: every week thing. We hit those games and then on
Speaker 2: Thursday we have our draft, as you if you're a
Speaker 2: fan of the show know about.
Speaker 1: And now we transition.
Speaker 4: This is where the Funk attack did arrive.
Speaker 2: It always does, it always does. Yeah, we did forty
Speaker 2: five on those three games, but that's okay. We're enjoying ourselves.
Speaker 2: We're having fun and go get my Lunch. The conversation begins,
Speaker 2: you butt heads, where we make predictions on the season
Speaker 2: to come, the regular season to come, and we track
Speaker 2: these predictions with the great help of Nick four Tier,
Speaker 2: who's been running go get my Lunch dot Org for years.
Speaker 2: This is we're entering our eleventh season four Tiers. If
Speaker 2: he's been at it eight years, nine years, I believe
Speaker 2: it because it's been it's been pretty long now he's
Speaker 2: been doing and.
Speaker 5: To be fair, hasn't been paid a cent for his efforts.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think we appreciate I think much longer than.
Speaker 2: Twenty fourteen was his first show. Basically, this would be
Speaker 2: his tenth year tracking things.
Speaker 3: Congratulations to Nick this one. How about a thank you,
Speaker 3: thank you, and this will pay off for you finally
Speaker 3: this year.
Speaker 1: What does that mean?
Speaker 3: I don't know how, but it's just it's gonna pay off.
Speaker 2: Oh no, you promised something. I think we've set something
Speaker 2: to Nick in the past. But Eric Makeham at that
Speaker 2: we are not a mental note. Can you write it down.
Speaker 2: Let's talk with the shadowy League figures upstairs and figure
Speaker 2: out something to get to Nick.
Speaker 3: This year, Yes, because who else could have tracked whether
Speaker 3: Brian or Rakbo signed with the Falcons or whether Derek
Speaker 3: Morgan signed with the Falcons back in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1: Literally no one else in the entire world.
Speaker 2: So we enter, we go into our predictions, and it
Speaker 2: is nice when I look at the history. You see
Speaker 2: Chris Westling and again a special west connected guests joining
Speaker 2: us in just a bit. You see all of his wagers,
Speaker 2: including Kristin Michael leads the Cowboys and rushing in which Dan,
Speaker 2: Greg and Mark took him up on it. But Mark,
Speaker 2: it's noted here, but he thinks it will be close.
Speaker 4: That's such a mode. Well there was no more. Wes
Speaker 4: was fascinated with Christine Michael, so.
Speaker 3: Was Christie Kristen, It was Christian, but uh he was
Speaker 3: you know, editors Note it was not close. I don't
Speaker 3: believe you know he ever got any carries just about
Speaker 3: like he he had probably under one hundred or two
Speaker 3: hundred years.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I am at fifty three point seven percent
Speaker 2: two twenty six and one ninety five, Greg, you are
Speaker 2: I got a little distance between you right now for
Speaker 2: the first time two nineteen and one ninety nine, fifty
Speaker 2: two point four percent, Mark bringing up the old rear
Speaker 2: with the.
Speaker 4: Old one eight and two ten one forty seven point
Speaker 4: two percent.
Speaker 1: So the goal really, you.
Speaker 5: Know, back in the early days of you know, no,
Speaker 5: I think I put some things out there that when
Speaker 5: they hit, they hit, but like they're less maybe lower percentage.
Speaker 2: You're dropped deer, you're gonna hit too. It sh five,
Speaker 2: but you'll hit thirty one homers you get when you
Speaker 2: get a hold of one.
Speaker 1: Look out, look at that, look at that sucker.
Speaker 6: Go.
Speaker 1: That's the kind of like I'd rather live big chase rate.
Speaker 3: And when not, it's like, no, a non human is
Speaker 3: not gonna you know, score a touchdown this year.
Speaker 1: But that's why we love you. Mark.
Speaker 4: Hey, I did that one again.
Speaker 2: Some people will have called you a beautiful weirdo, and
Speaker 2: I agree I have I didn't, but no, not yet.
Speaker 2: If someone did, sure, I would say yes, as long
Speaker 2: as that's not seen as uh, you know, a pejorative
Speaker 2: in terms of it's a script sort of in any way,
Speaker 2: I'm assuming, all right, let's do this.
Speaker 1: I'll start. I like this.
Speaker 2: I feel really good about this one. And there should
Speaker 2: be an onion hanger in here somewhere.
Speaker 4: So we're doing two weeks and an onion hanger.
Speaker 2: We're doing three and then yeah, mine are all pretty hangy.
Speaker 2: I gotta say so, you guys could tell me if
Speaker 2: the if it does or does not qualify. I don't
Speaker 2: have one that like stands out as the onion hanger,
Speaker 2: but I'll start here. DeVante Adams, superstar wide receiver of
Speaker 2: the Las Vegas Raiders, Mike Evans, star receiver of the
Speaker 2: Tampa Bay Buccaney. Okay, two players on teams kind of
Speaker 2: going nowhere's a little mean. The week one hasn't happened,
Speaker 2: but an unclear future for the organization's direction. Evans wants
Speaker 2: a new deal. I don't know if that's coming. One
Speaker 2: of those players, Adams or Evans, will be moved ahead
Speaker 2: of the trade deadline in early November.
Speaker 4: That's a fun one, yep.
Speaker 5: I'll take you on it, not to do what I
Speaker 5: just did with the Westling one from many years ago,
Speaker 5: but it will be close. I do think it will happen.
Speaker 5: I think i'd put Adams. I put Adams as if.
Speaker 3: You think it's gonna happen, then don't take them.
Speaker 5: Because the only way to gain traction in this game
Speaker 5: is to take everyone on everything. That's my strategy. So
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go with the field saying maybe they don't
Speaker 5: move them.
Speaker 3: Well, unless it's a true fifty to fifty or under.
Speaker 3: I think if they were setting this line, it would
Speaker 3: be close to fifty to fifty. But I will take you.
Speaker 3: I still think it's it's less likely to happen, but
Speaker 3: it's spicy. You reeled us in, and I think if
Speaker 3: you really crunch the numbers and you look at the situation,
Speaker 3: especially Adams but Evans too, I think it's quite possible,
Speaker 3: and it's pretty close to a fifty to fifty idea.
Speaker 4: One of these will happen.
Speaker 2: Here is something crazy. Now, this would be kind of
Speaker 2: like the Sessler onion hanger.
Speaker 4: He's doing both well.
Speaker 2: No that Adams trading any player mid season is tough.
Speaker 2: You'd have to trade him somewhere where he's comfortable and
Speaker 2: you knew the offense. That's Aaron Rodgers and hacking in
Speaker 2: the Jets. The Jets who have cap space because of
Speaker 2: the Aaron Rodgers restructuring of his contract, so they have
Speaker 2: the financial flexibility to make it happen. They have the
Speaker 2: relationship between player and quarterback and OC.
Speaker 3: And I just want to fly around like a butterfly.
Speaker 2: And they might have the need, Greg, because I agree
Speaker 2: with you when you look at them on paper after
Speaker 2: Garrett Wilson, it's like, hmm. If that room isn't coming
Speaker 2: together the way they like behind Wilson or god forbid
Speaker 2: Wilson gets hurt, that is something to keep an eye on.
Speaker 4: That's spicy.
Speaker 3: I looked at the captaincations for the for the Raiders,
Speaker 3: and it's not too crazy. It's doable, and you know
Speaker 3: they'd be motivated enough to give a boatload of picks,
Speaker 3: which is the only way that I think.
Speaker 5: The other side of the coin is that, like the
Speaker 5: Raiders have a high implosion factor.
Speaker 4: I know I'm getting. I'm getting.
Speaker 2: Look at Chandler Jones, the report out there or the.
Speaker 3: The instagram's story that he said, uh, he didn't want
Speaker 3: to play for this head coach or GM get.
Speaker 5: To the gym and Adams basically said, like I I'm
Speaker 5: going to have to do my best kind of keep
Speaker 5: my head in the game and play along with what's
Speaker 5: going on here, said a couple of months ago.
Speaker 4: That's not I don't love those words.
Speaker 2: The instagram that was since deleted from Chandler Jones big
Speaker 2: ticket free agent signing last year. He said that he
Speaker 2: could not get into the team facility for the Raiders,
Speaker 2: and we could focus on this tomorrow, but it's already here,
Speaker 2: so they I don't know what what the disconnect was,
Speaker 2: but he couldn't get in, so he said, I'm forced
Speaker 2: to go to a local gym to work out, and
Speaker 2: he kind of put it right at the feet of McDaniels, who,
Speaker 2: again is a guy that's not looking so hot in
Speaker 2: terms of how he runs teams. And yeah, the high
Speaker 2: implosion factor. That's just another crack where you're like, remember
Speaker 2: Urban Meyer where just the crack started and he started
Speaker 2: to see more and more and more. Mmmmmmmmm, all right, Greg.
Speaker 3: Was a pretty big crack when he was just you know,
Speaker 3: like grinding on that girl in the bar.
Speaker 4: I watched her a game.
Speaker 1: I watched These swamp Kings, yes that they lost.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the swamp Kings documentary on on Florida during the
Speaker 2: Tebow years. Urban Meyer is insufferable in the doc which
Speaker 2: is a very good documentary overall, but it is insane
Speaker 2: how high that man is on his own supply.
Speaker 1: It's worth watching just.
Speaker 4: For that, But I would.
Speaker 2: It's an excellent documentary, and I thought the as this
Speaker 2: is our eleventh year, all the guys that came through
Speaker 2: that pipeline, like seeing Percy Harvin is a college superstar,
Speaker 2: seeing Tebow's journey after it got all warped when he
Speaker 2: got to the NFL. Your boy, the linebacker spikes uh.
Speaker 2: He has a major part in the uh in the
Speaker 2: in the doc as well.
Speaker 3: He was a big person and a big swing and
Speaker 3: miss from myself in terms.
Speaker 4: Of what type of career.
Speaker 3: This isn't gonna be a swing and miss though. You
Speaker 3: guys can take the rest of the field in the
Speaker 3: NFC North and you can give up on our team
Speaker 3: of around the NFL all you want.
Speaker 4: I'm sticking with them.
Speaker 3: And I was thinking, what didn't we really cover in
Speaker 3: the in the predictions pod, And it's it's my, uh,
Speaker 3: my belief that these this Lions team will live up
Speaker 3: to their high expectations this year and they will win
Speaker 3: the NFC North. So you get the field, I get
Speaker 3: the Lions.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 1: Well, they're not the team of atl.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm trying to keep them that way.
Speaker 2: Here here's something incredible, Mark, this is a I was
Speaker 2: gonna hold mine, but it's directly connected to this. So
Speaker 2: my second one is the Lines do not spend a
Speaker 2: single week alone in first place in the NFC.
Speaker 4: You know, alone.
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess that's funny. I mean, I'll take
Speaker 3: you up on that.
Speaker 1: Because they start, in my mind with a loss. Listen,
Speaker 1: I already Oh my.
Speaker 3: God, so you already agreed. This is a wait a second.
Speaker 3: This is exciting.
Speaker 2: This has to be an onion hangar because if the
Speaker 2: Lions win tomorrow, you're you've already out.
Speaker 3: You've already lost, you've lost your lock, but you've lost sandwiches.
Speaker 4: It would be unre.
Speaker 3: And I just I hope, obviously the Lions win, but
Speaker 3: I just hope they're ahead in the second half and
Speaker 3: that you're sweating this thing out.
Speaker 4: This would be great.
Speaker 5: I'll take you both up on your individual Lions Okay,
Speaker 5: propositions right there.
Speaker 4: Okay, so you're taking the field, you s they essentially
Speaker 4: conflict with each other on some level. But can you
Speaker 4: win both? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah you can, of.
Speaker 5: Course, So I can't. Actually, I actually probably will have
Speaker 5: to win one of them.
Speaker 2: Right, So the Lions do not spend a single week
Speaker 2: alone in first place, but he has them winning.
Speaker 4: Right, the whole division.
Speaker 3: All all you need to happen is for them to
Speaker 3: spend one week in first place at some point, but
Speaker 3: not win my division. Right, just it is quite I
Speaker 3: love taking both quite possible alone really makes it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, tricky, but all right, I got one for you.
Speaker 1: Wait a second.
Speaker 4: That was a good way to.
Speaker 2: Marinate on that a little bit more that the Lions,
Speaker 2: they might not be the team of ATN but they
Speaker 2: are and continue to be a hugely compelling team within
Speaker 2: the structure of this year.
Speaker 4: I want to keep it, don't I don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't love the dynamic that Greg is cooking up
Speaker 5: where he is going to force or attempt to force
Speaker 5: them to be the team of ATEN again. But also
Speaker 5: at the same time tell everyone and tell you and
Speaker 5: I that we aren't actually on board with it.
Speaker 3: Well, that you really weren't last year, and I actually what.
Speaker 4: I was doing last year they grew on me and
Speaker 4: I was being.
Speaker 2: Not really that you were upbeat for you last year
Speaker 2: it was it was as the Titans crumbled on top
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: Every other team, Well, there.
Speaker 5: Are multiple things, multiple flowering disasters occurring all at once.
Speaker 2: All right, let's hear it, and throwing the ball over
Speaker 2: the field to different people that weren't on his team.
Speaker 1: Just a tough back nine last year.
Speaker 5: I've made mine a little simpler this time around. Yeah,
Speaker 5: Dak Prescott will be benched.
Speaker 1: WHOA, that is an onion hagger.
Speaker 4: So it can't be an injury.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, I mean we would have to you know,
Speaker 5: there's sometimes they don't tell you exactly what's going on,
Speaker 5: but it has to be.
Speaker 3: Ends for a performance reason.
Speaker 4: Performance absolutely all right.
Speaker 1: What about if he gets.
Speaker 4: Wow, that's an onion hanger and then.
Speaker 5: He gets injured like Alex Smith Kaepernick type things like.
Speaker 2: Last year, right, And I don't know in your mind,
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's Cooper Rush or if it's
Speaker 2: the washout from San Francisco, Trey Lance. One of these
Speaker 2: guys takes the job while he's injured and plays well
Speaker 2: and then he doesn't, and then.
Speaker 3: That that counts as a bet.
Speaker 1: Prescott gets better and then he stays on the bench.
Speaker 5: Is that in the in the world of NFL quarterbacks
Speaker 5: like Dak Prescott wants healthy, not being put put back
Speaker 5: into the starting lineup is.
Speaker 4: A benching. That's a massive onion hanger. Right after top wait,
Speaker 4: because I know.
Speaker 2: You were part of that chorus that's saying, you know,
Speaker 2: Dak's stats last year weren't a true reflection of who
Speaker 2: he was, Like, what's gonna happen this year?
Speaker 4: No, I don't know if I'm really part of that chorus.
Speaker 5: I think that if you go and look at all
Speaker 5: his interceptions, there is that argument that like there was
Speaker 5: some weird stuff happening. He wasn't like a turnover prone
Speaker 5: quarterback historically, and like some weird stuff happens.
Speaker 2: So those are a thing.
Speaker 1: Is this a hunter? Are you seeing actual?
Speaker 5: I think the pressure is turned way up and I
Speaker 5: could just see I think the one thing about Trey Lance.
Speaker 5: I buy the fact that they're like all in on Dak,
Speaker 5: but Trey Lance, the one thing about him is like
Speaker 5: there's just this mysterious, attractive potential and if they got
Speaker 5: into a jam, I could see them be tempted to
Speaker 5: see what Lance could do if Dak is really floundering. So,
Speaker 5: I mean it's a bit of a reach in the
Speaker 5: sense that I'm going to I'm thinking Dak Prescott becomes
Speaker 5: a lesser quarterback than I actually think he is today.
Speaker 4: But that's I'm just really a crazy one.
Speaker 3: But if they're six and ten or seven and nine
Speaker 3: and eliminated and they want to take a look at
Speaker 3: Trey Lance week seventeen, I think that's your path, that's
Speaker 3: the most likely path, and it's not totally insane. I
Speaker 3: still don't think they would do it. I don't think
Speaker 3: he's Derek Carr.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that would be pretty stunning and it would
Speaker 2: be a real sign that Dak has lost obviously a
Speaker 2: ton of juice in that building.
Speaker 1: I'm not there, it would be.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's a little bit like the Trey
Speaker 2: Lance trade because people still trying to make Trey Lance
Speaker 2: a thing. They made a bigger story than it really
Speaker 2: should have been seen in my mind.
Speaker 4: Okay, but you've already done to now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm out.
Speaker 4: Okay, I got one more.
Speaker 3: I'll throw in one that I like because I like
Speaker 3: to use the QB index as a measuring stick. Even
Speaker 3: though Mark's not writing it this year, Nick Schuok is
Speaker 3: Nick Schuck is doing it. Nice to have him involved and.
Speaker 1: Be on the show Sunday.
Speaker 3: By the way, Oh, this is why I'm going to
Speaker 3: really try to influence Nick throughout the season on his voting.
Speaker 3: When it comes to keeping up with the Joneses, because
Speaker 3: there's a couple Joneses here that are starting quarterbacks in
Speaker 3: the NFL. And my prop, my sandwich, is that Mac Jones, mccorkyll,
Speaker 3: your boy finishes the year ranked ahead of Daniel Jones
Speaker 3: in that beautiful QB index. Mac Jones over Daniel Jones.
Speaker 2: I like this, It like it ticks your fan boxes
Speaker 2: off very well. You're believing Mac Jones and the Patriots
Speaker 2: being sneaky okay this year and your abject dislike of
Speaker 2: the Giants over a couple of key games in your past.
Speaker 1: It's a good one, and I think Mac will be better.
Speaker 4: It's really a belief in Mac.
Speaker 3: I've actually the record will show I have been higher
Speaker 3: than consensus on Daniel Jones throughout his career. But I
Speaker 3: think Mac Jones will be good, and I think he's
Speaker 3: he's a better.
Speaker 1: So it's not QBR, it's not pass rating, it's.
Speaker 3: It's I'm like QB index, I trust shook more.
Speaker 1: Where would I don't even I don't know shooks like.
Speaker 3: Who has a better who has a better year?
Speaker 4: I mean last year.
Speaker 1: He might value different things.
Speaker 4: I think's gonna give us a pretty counting. I'm not
Speaker 4: worried about it.
Speaker 1: I'll take you on it.
Speaker 4: I'll take you on a too.
Speaker 5: I think it would be a pretty big story of
Speaker 5: I think everyone expects Max Jones to bounce back.
Speaker 3: Sure check that box. But like he finished twenty ninth
Speaker 3: last year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but like so but the year before year.
Speaker 3: But even consensus, I've been looking at these quarterback rankings,
Speaker 3: even consensus coming into the year.
Speaker 4: That's about where people have them.
Speaker 1: Like four guys, all right, here's a good one.
Speaker 2: Where was Mac at the end of QB Index after
Speaker 2: his rookie year versus Daniel Johns?
Speaker 4: I wrote it. You also kind of tailed off at
Speaker 4: at the top ten. I have no idea, no, like,
Speaker 4: where was he after like week week ten or left at.
Speaker 3: The very end of the season. I had him probably
Speaker 3: average and I and I'll find it for you while
Speaker 3: I'm talking. And I probably had Daniel Jones just below
Speaker 3: they were. They were probably quite close. But yeah, little
Speaker 3: Mac over two years ago. Two years ago, I had
Speaker 3: Mac sixteen and Daniel Jones.
Speaker 4: That's a different dans.
Speaker 2: What did you have him last year? Jones forgot about Mac.
Speaker 5: Jones was closer twenty nine, the middle of the pack,
Speaker 5: and Mac was way low.
Speaker 4: I mean just because of what was it's not.
Speaker 3: An onion hangar, but it's an upset, but it's not
Speaker 3: an onion hanger.
Speaker 5: Okay, I'll take you too, because I mean I just
Speaker 5: thirty minutes ago said I thought that we're going to
Speaker 5: get like the next version of Daniel Jones in an
Speaker 5: evolution in his entire game.
Speaker 2: So that well, you've played that game before, though you've
Speaker 2: covered both sides in the past.
Speaker 5: I really don't think this is the mac Jones is
Speaker 5: going to wind up with a better all right, you're
Speaker 5: up QB Index. Okay, here we go, a floating Rams operation.
Speaker 5: Trades away Matthew Stafford. I mean, we've been talking about
Speaker 5: this for a long time. I just don't see the
Speaker 5: pieces put together, and like you've got your trade situation
Speaker 5: with the wideouts.
Speaker 4: I think, Matthew, Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 5: A team that believes that they have a quarterback injury
Speaker 5: of some sort, they believe that they really have a
Speaker 5: real chance. And Stafford kind of fits the bill of
Speaker 5: going from a team that's in a rebuild to kind
Speaker 5: of be in that mid season rescue operation for a
Speaker 5: playoff hopeful team in the afc R.
Speaker 3: NFL we'll hear what a very notable member of the
Speaker 3: at M family rams fan thinks about this shortly.
Speaker 1: But that's easy.
Speaker 3: I don't see it happen and happen. I'm taking you.
Speaker 4: Up on it because I think it's impossible to No,
Speaker 4: I don't think it's that crazy that they may.
Speaker 1: When's the last quarterback I got traded in seasons?
Speaker 5: I think of like, well, like a Sam Bradford situation
Speaker 5: before you know Baker right before.
Speaker 3: The season, right in the season Palmer was not in season?
Speaker 4: Was Palmer was, because remember he essentially sat out. I
Speaker 4: feel like Palmer was, but he wasn't even playing it
Speaker 4: right right.
Speaker 2: See, that's different too, like Stafford to get moved as
Speaker 2: a quarterback, unless it's to an offense that you know
Speaker 2: like the back of your hand, and then to give
Speaker 2: up what you would give up to get a veteran
Speaker 2: Super Bowl MVP or whatever you would want him right
Speaker 2: in your lineup right away. It just seems so implausible
Speaker 2: to me that a team would do that in the
Speaker 2: middle of the year. So I feel more confident about
Speaker 2: that than anything we've done so far that he's wow nowhere,
Speaker 2: I'm with you.
Speaker 5: But then, like you also hear reports that like people
Speaker 5: wanted to pull Drew Brees out of retirements and Tony
Speaker 5: Romo out of retirement.
Speaker 2: But to me, he's going, you're staying a trade the cap.
Speaker 3: The cap implications are quite complicated. And the only reason
Speaker 3: why this is on the table and it could be
Speaker 3: for Aaron Donald I supposed to is, Look, there's two
Speaker 3: quarterback prospects in this next class that are gonna probably
Speaker 3: have a higher consensus grade than any quarterback since Burrow
Speaker 3: and Lawrence and and and are going to be seen
Speaker 3: in that category, and so helping your chances for that
Speaker 3: will be attractive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to think who is the It would
Speaker 2: have to be a coordinator tree match to start. I
Speaker 2: would think so like who is a McVeigh disciple?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it would. That would help it. I
Speaker 4: don't think that is.
Speaker 3: Like not Yeah, I think he could work almost.
Speaker 5: I think you could convince yourself and a jam. Again,
Speaker 5: It's not like some team doing it as a weird experiment.
Speaker 5: It's like we've lost our guy. We're in the race,
Speaker 5: and it's not a forever solution, but Stafford for this
Speaker 5: season in the Rams, it's like stockpile draft picks. You're
Speaker 5: probably a bottom five team. Is Stafford like, really your.
Speaker 1: You want to do that? I would have.
Speaker 2: I would imagine the last ever wants to do is
Speaker 2: leave in the middle of a season.
Speaker 1: Got a family, He's already got.
Speaker 4: His if they're one and six or something.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 3: There's there's a lot of things in the way here,
Speaker 3: but I think you would need it's bonkers.
Speaker 1: That was bonkers.
Speaker 4: You would need like a quarterback to get hurt. I'm
Speaker 4: just trying to make interesting.
Speaker 2: That was great, great radio bro Okay, all right, last round.
Speaker 2: This one is pretty straightforward. I get Bejon Robinson and
Speaker 2: Nick Chubb. You guys get the field for twenty twenty
Speaker 2: three rushing champion Nick Chubb and who Bjon Robin. Okay,
Speaker 2: I like this one because the field is always the
Speaker 2: way to go. But I feel like those two guys
Speaker 2: to me, Yeah, you.
Speaker 4: Backed us into a corner.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's You've had some onion hangers. This one not
Speaker 3: as much. I Uh, I don't like it because I
Speaker 3: think I picked Bijeon Tou to leave the league in
Speaker 3: rushing the corner.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like putting baby in a corner.
Speaker 3: And yet I'm gonna take it anyways, because uh, you know,
Speaker 3: man's got to live by his code, and my code
Speaker 3: is the field.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I will, I'll take you. I don't love this either.
Speaker 5: I think you've done a nice job.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sort of like rappiness you guys in Big Time.
Speaker 4: That was a good one.
Speaker 1: Uh, let's see.
Speaker 3: I really, I really think Beijeon has a really good chance.
Speaker 3: But man, the field in Chub Chubb would be in
Speaker 3: my top three chance.
Speaker 5: You know, let me look at these real quick here.
Speaker 5: I don't know what that Browns offense is gonna be though.
Speaker 5: That's a little bit of a wild CARDI one.
Speaker 1: I think he'll get the rock though.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's see who else would even Austin Eckler doesn't
Speaker 2: run the ball enough. McCaffrey doesn't run the ball enough
Speaker 2: to win the rushing title. Barkley sure, Derek Henry, obviously
Speaker 2: you can't. You can't take that man out of the mix.
Speaker 2: Tony Pollard, Josh Jacobs is the defending rushing champion.
Speaker 1: These are all options.
Speaker 5: I don't love the field, but I think you're kind
Speaker 5: of counting on, unfortunately, something going a little sideways with
Speaker 5: Robinson er Chubb.
Speaker 2: That's what you're hoping for in this one.
Speaker 3: I'm taking my sandwich back. I'm not putting it on.
Speaker 3: I hate, I don't want to be I am so
Speaker 3: in on.
Speaker 5: You just said you had a code, though I changed
Speaker 5: my code the code.
Speaker 4: I have so many codes.
Speaker 3: I have so many Well another one of my codes,
Speaker 3: that is, pick what you want to root for, like,
Speaker 3: don't don't pick against.
Speaker 1: Too many codes. That's the problem.
Speaker 4: I'll forget that this.
Speaker 2: I don't care if I win or lose. Just giving
Speaker 2: Greg this mental anguish is already a win I want.
Speaker 3: I don't want to feel any even hint of conflict,
Speaker 3: a whisper, a little flavor with Bjon's running for two
Speaker 3: hundred yards in those games. I just want to enjoy it.
Speaker 3: So I'm taking mine off.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go that works too, and that leaves
Speaker 1: two more Greg.
Speaker 3: Okay, I talked a lot about my belief and these
Speaker 3: Los Angeles Chargers on the previous show. Let's take it.
Speaker 3: Let's take it into a different step. Justin Herbert finishes
Speaker 3: higher in the MVP voting than Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 4: We just get a Herbert over. I'll take you around
Speaker 4: one all day long. One the Herbo Herbo thing.
Speaker 2: No, chargers are far too dysfunctional. For everything to go well.
Speaker 3: They they have to finish, they have to win the
Speaker 3: division most likely for that to happen.
Speaker 4: It's basically just another way of saying that you'd.
Speaker 5: Have to outduel Mahomes decisively, if not in both of
Speaker 5: the their encounters.
Speaker 4: That's why. That's why I brought up last.
Speaker 2: As they say, I kind of don't like this phrase,
Speaker 2: But what do to say it with your chest?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I saw you on Twitter. I know I know your game.
Speaker 2: Greg doing that a long time. You're getting out there
Speaker 2: in the public discourse. You had some type of pro
Speaker 2: Chargers take, which is fine, by the way, I don't agree,
Speaker 2: but that doesn't matter. Like you believe, you are all
Speaker 2: in on the Bolts and they're special young quarterbacks.
Speaker 4: They consistent you're in, You're in yours like I'm back in.
Speaker 2: Is there a team you're more like, uh into right
Speaker 2: now than the Chargers?
Speaker 3: No, Seahawks and Patriots certainly are right, you know, Patriots
Speaker 3: are different Atlanta creeping.
Speaker 2: Into that in Atlanta?
Speaker 1: How about you? Mark?
Speaker 4: Is there a team I'm more into than the Chargers?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 1: Who's your team that you're most into?
Speaker 2: I think the Falcons right now, They're the team that
Speaker 2: when you open your eyes, that's the team your most
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 5: Up in the middle of the night, well thinking about
Speaker 5: the falcons, which is a weird thing for me to do.
Speaker 1: Wow, last evening, it's the falcons.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that you're most invested in having a big year,
Speaker 2: you think?
Speaker 4: And then I'm most intrigued by Arthur Smith mustache or what?
Speaker 2: What do you think? Sure, no one else that you're
Speaker 2: thinking about in this conversation.
Speaker 5: No, I know what you're attempting to do, but you're
Speaker 5: not even within a continent of where my mind is.
Speaker 3: I just love that our guests has been listening to
Speaker 3: this the whole time.
Speaker 2: She's she's on.
Speaker 1: Let's bring her in.
Speaker 4: I still have another prop though, but she can listen
Speaker 4: to it.
Speaker 1: Sure, bring her in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's ever do that.
Speaker 1: Okay, nobody else too?
Speaker 3: There she is no one else?
Speaker 2: Hey, Lakeisha, Hello, it is Lakeisha Jackson Westling, the Great
Speaker 2: Kish from Saint Louis in her home office.
Speaker 1: Yes, oh, I see some.
Speaker 3: Why do you have a better setup with annoying.
Speaker 6: Because I still need some stuff on the shelves back here.
Speaker 4: But it's definitely better.
Speaker 2: It's almost as if you leave Los Angeles, you have
Speaker 2: a lot more space in your life.
Speaker 4: Are those that would be correct?
Speaker 2: Are those some Shield Softballs are famous company softball team
Speaker 2: that went to three title games and took home two
Speaker 2: trophies that would be correct.
Speaker 6: One is my game ball when I only got one
Speaker 6: game ball, so that one's back there. And another one
Speaker 6: I don't even know where it's from, but we all
Speaker 6: signed it, and like west signed it and has like
Speaker 6: Wes loves Lakeisha Jackson Westland. So that's one of my favorites.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was floating around my hate us for a
Speaker 1: long time.
Speaker 4: I remember, Yes, you gave that to me?
Speaker 2: Yes, Keish, How are you?
Speaker 1: How is everything?
Speaker 6: I'm good? I am a busy boy. Mom. Lincoln is
Speaker 6: obsessed with anything Spider Man right now. So right before
Speaker 6: I got on, I hurd a little ding from my
Speaker 6: Alexa that my Halloween costume is here. I'm going to
Speaker 6: be one from Spider Man. So he's just running all
Speaker 6: over the place, like he's talking really well. Now he's
Speaker 6: just becoming a little person, and he's so funny. Like
Speaker 6: I love this age a lot, Like it's it's a
Speaker 6: lot of fun. It's a lot of work, but it's
Speaker 6: also a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: Your Instagram story posted over the weekend where he did
Speaker 2: like a jump from a platform. First of all, he's
Speaker 2: built like a tank now and he's got that Westling build,
Speaker 2: and I think, yeah, like stocky, stocky and athletic and
Speaker 2: like Chris hitting those hard groundball singles up the middle
Speaker 2: and then going first to third on bass hits, like
Speaker 2: he definitely has you know, those Westlings, and I mean
Speaker 2: all of them. I know, I've met all of them
Speaker 2: for the most part, maybe one I haven't met yet.
Speaker 2: All athletic guys and competitive guys. And you could just
Speaker 2: tell the way Link is that he is going to
Speaker 2: be like a chip off the old block, and.
Speaker 5: The way in the Westling body type. There's a lot
Speaker 5: of different body types with those brothers. There's some tall ones,
Speaker 5: lean ones, some stock but I mean Link has that.
Speaker 3: I think he's I think he's got the Chris slash
Speaker 3: and Chris and Nick build right, hopefully a little taller.
Speaker 6: Yes, even when he's like walking around his little like
Speaker 6: boxer briefs, like it just reminds me remember how all
Speaker 6: stocky Chris used to be. Like his legs, the way
Speaker 6: he walks like it's just it blows my mind, like
Speaker 6: all the time. I'm like, I got a little West
Speaker 6: walking around here, like what the heck?
Speaker 1: And there's a reason. By the way, Lakeisha got a
Speaker 1: game ball.
Speaker 2: I mean, Lakeisha was an athlete herself in high school
Speaker 2: and had sprinter speed once she put the ball on
Speaker 2: the ground. The whole thing with Lakeisha was like Wesley
Speaker 2: Snipe's character in Major League. If you hit a pop up,
Speaker 2: give me ten push ups. Because you put that ball
Speaker 2: on the ground, they are not throwing you out at first.
Speaker 2: So Link is really coming from some serious genes in
Speaker 2: terms of athletics.
Speaker 6: And he's got my speed too, So it's like, I'm
Speaker 6: so excited to see, like what sport he ends up
Speaker 6: like falling in love with because he's got my speed,
Speaker 6: He's got like Chris's hand eye coordination, so he's gonna Yeah,
Speaker 6: it's gonna be very very interesting. I'm I'm excited to
Speaker 6: say that because I'm gonna be so screaming in the stand,
Speaker 6: super competitive.
Speaker 1: Are you excited about the Rams?
Speaker 4: I'm yeah.
Speaker 6: We're we're rebuilding right now, so my expectations are very low.
Speaker 3: You left them, you came here, they experienced the immediate
Speaker 3: success they won the Super Bowl with you here there
Speaker 3: and then and then you left and they fell apart.
Speaker 1: They have to come back to Saint Louis. Now. That's
Speaker 1: the only way. I don't make this.
Speaker 6: And I wish it's it's Ghotstown here, everyone's chiefs fans
Speaker 6: now and what what?
Speaker 2: Oh yo?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I've heard that too.
Speaker 6: In the stores where you're like buying all the Saint
Speaker 6: Louis merchandise. I'm like, yeah, it's very very odd. So
Speaker 6: it's just me and a few others.
Speaker 4: Soish we had it.
Speaker 5: We were doing sandwich props, as you know, and I
Speaker 5: had one that Matthew Stafford would be traded mid season
Speaker 5: by the Rams to another team. Does that seem absurd
Speaker 5: to you? Would you take me up on that? No,
Speaker 5: not going to happen.
Speaker 6: Yeah, not going to happen.
Speaker 1: You want to take well, you take your sandwich. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right. So add that to the list market and
Speaker 1: I still.
Speaker 3: Have one more Mark, and then I know you have one.
Speaker 2: All right, Mark, you give us a sandwich prop. Keish,
Speaker 2: you give us one, and then Eric Roberts behind the glass.
Speaker 2: It is a tradition that the producer must have a
Speaker 2: failed so much prop every season so we look forward
Speaker 2: to that mark you go first, all Right.
Speaker 5: The other two that I've done have been like completely
Speaker 5: football drenched, just football scenarios. This one is a little
Speaker 5: bit more of something that I was thinking about recently,
Speaker 5: that a star quarterback loses at least one start this
Speaker 5: season regular season because of an off field incident involving
Speaker 5: a problematic individual dressed in a costume now veering towards cosplay,
Speaker 5: but not definitively costplay, but like a quarterback gets into
Speaker 5: some sort of situation that would be considered an incident
Speaker 5: and misses a start because of a costumed individual not
Speaker 5: himself in a costume.
Speaker 2: Bringing back Lakeisha Lkeisha just said that she's getting some
Speaker 2: of her Halloween costume delivered. If does that include perhaps
Speaker 2: a Halloween party?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I could. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think that's like you're you're getting in the hot
Speaker 5: zone during Halloween season.
Speaker 2: And I know this as a dad myself. Halloween I
Speaker 2: believe falls on a Tuesday this year, So these guys
Speaker 2: are going to have their parties on let's say Friday.
Speaker 2: After you walk through, they'll have a nice Friday night.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll take you up on it, but crazy, I'm
Speaker 2: focused on Halloween on this one as being the culprit.
Speaker 3: Now this did you would have won one if you
Speaker 3: had this prop back in twenty eighteen. Maybe, I guess
Speaker 3: not because Chad Kelly was not a starting quarterback. But
Speaker 3: remember there was an incident at the von Miller Halloween
Speaker 3: party which I think changed swag Kelly's career.
Speaker 4: But I will take you up on this. Okay, this
Speaker 4: feels I think there's some DNA to this.
Speaker 2: I think I had a doomed Chad Kelly prop a
Speaker 2: couple of years back that he would maybe make a
Speaker 2: play for the Colts or something.
Speaker 4: I don't think I won that you wake up on
Speaker 4: someone's couch or something.
Speaker 3: I think, yes, we spent a couple of Halloweens together
Speaker 3: at Keys, but I have a feeling that Saint Louis
Speaker 3: Halloween goes hard.
Speaker 6: I mean not the block that I live on. I
Speaker 6: do miss my last Chester area. They really got into it.
Speaker 6: So we're we're gonna bounce around this year and see.
Speaker 6: But I'm definitely taking Mark up on this. I was
Speaker 6: hoping that there was gonna be one of the props
Speaker 6: that were just out there, like that's my favorite one.
Speaker 3: He's just gonna end up maybe with a winning record
Speaker 3: here because he's taking Mark.
Speaker 2: Yeah. All right, Actually let's sit on Lakeisha's and make
Speaker 2: her the last one.
Speaker 1: Eric, what is your prop?
Speaker 7: All right, guys, So I'm gonna go with the Homer
Speaker 7: Homer prop. Everybody's been talking Jets defense, Okay, So I'm
Speaker 7: going Bills outsack and out intercept the Jets this year.
Speaker 7: So total number out sack sacks in interceptions together different
Speaker 7: or so. I think the Bills had five more interceptions
Speaker 7: than the Jets last year.
Speaker 4: But I do think the Jets outside.
Speaker 2: Who's who's picking up all your sacks on day?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: Who are your guys that you're gonna be in on
Speaker 2: the most here?
Speaker 7: We're so supposed to have a breakout year this year.
Speaker 7: Matt Mclone was always good. Von Miller when he comes back,
Speaker 7: hopefully he'll pick up some slack halfway through the season
Speaker 7: and then he's out there four weeks. You got Leonard
Speaker 7: Floyd is got good for about six.
Speaker 4: Micah Hyde, you know, Jordan Poyer, Davis White.
Speaker 3: I mean you're just mentioning, Oh you're talking in interceptions.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so I'm talking sex and interceptions together out numbers.
Speaker 3: I'll take you just because the odds would say both numbers. Well, first,
Speaker 3: the Jets defense should be great, but also winning both
Speaker 3: numbers could be tough.
Speaker 4: Winning one, you know.
Speaker 1: I like that one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll take you.
Speaker 5: I think it's one of the better producer generated sandwich proper.
Speaker 1: I think gives the.
Speaker 2: Bills so much needed juice in the set after the
Speaker 2: events of Earth.
Speaker 7: I'm telling you, a month and a half or so
Speaker 7: of hard knocks stand has been a little rough.
Speaker 2: I came out of it.
Speaker 7: I'm like, dude, why do I kind of like the
Speaker 7: Jets and Aaron Rodgers right now? I need to beef
Speaker 7: up my off your blood a little.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Monday, Well, I think we'll do the trick.
Speaker 3: Speaking of producers, I do uh, I do have a
Speaker 3: potential other producer. One former producer sent in one. Is
Speaker 3: everyone taking?
Speaker 4: Taking you on? That keisher you take? Does she get
Speaker 4: to take one?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 6: No, I'm Team Jets.
Speaker 4: Sorry, ouch love that girl.
Speaker 3: I forgot Zach Gold. You remember Zach gol And it
Speaker 3: was his name, the Gold State. He had asked if
Speaker 3: he could send in a sandwich prop.
Speaker 1: Is this you remember that? Gold? Is thatl Mount Rushmore?
Speaker 3: No, I'm saying that, Yeah, he is on mount Rushmore
Speaker 3: and I get to see him once a year in Japan,
Speaker 3: which is always bizarre.
Speaker 4: And what's he got for us?
Speaker 3: It's a little bit of a mouthful. I know I'm
Speaker 3: springing on, but it is kind of a fun.
Speaker 2: One go ahead.
Speaker 3: Tottenham Hotspurs Stadium will once again host games at the
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three International Series, but first time it will
Speaker 3: do so without ardent Gridiron officionado Harry Kane as striker
Speaker 3: of the football club that calls the arena home. Kane,
Speaker 3: who has recently moved to Bayern Munich in Germany as
Speaker 3: part of one hundred and twenty seven million dollar transfer,
Speaker 3: may find it tricky to return to London for an
Speaker 3: event so soon He's been to every single NFL game
Speaker 3: there after a dramatic split from his boyhood team, while
Speaker 3: Peo will have two opportunities to catch an NFL game
Speaker 3: in Germany. This Sandwich bet reflects Harry Kane will make
Speaker 3: an appearance at at least one International Series game in
Speaker 3: London and at least one I love.
Speaker 4: We will see Harry Kane London and Germany.
Speaker 3: I'm a little confused this. I think he might be
Speaker 3: missing a word here. Make an appearance at least one
Speaker 3: nfessional series game in London and Frankfurt.
Speaker 4: I believe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 2: The international listeners will enjoy this one. Harry Kine, Uh sure,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 3: I'll take him too til end of the I know
Speaker 3: I am too. It's like, is he showing up? Well,
Speaker 3: I guess he could show up to.
Speaker 1: The Uh yeah, it was gonna be really good. Father
Speaker 1: Nick four Tier. As he's writing this out, he's like, what.
Speaker 2: The pay me?
Speaker 3: He also Zach points, I have no idea if that's
Speaker 3: how sandwich BET's actually working, but I love back.
Speaker 4: Yes, thanks to Zach.
Speaker 2: All Right, Keith, close it out. It's your sandwich prop.
Speaker 3: So my sandwich prop.
Speaker 6: I had to go back to one of my favorite
Speaker 6: ATN podcast memories. It was back in two thousand and
Speaker 6: nineteen whenever my mom came into town and we were watching.
Speaker 1: In the market.
Speaker 4: I know where you're going.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, she was going nuts talking about ghost plays
Speaker 6: like me and Wes were just cracking up, because in
Speaker 6: this business it can get where it's like you the
Speaker 6: fun of it like goes away after a while when
Speaker 6: you're working in it, but like hearing it from someone
Speaker 6: who didn't really know anything about football.
Speaker 4: We were just cracking up.
Speaker 6: And had so much fun that night. So my sandwich
Speaker 6: prop will be that Lamar Jackson is going to have
Speaker 6: an amazing season and will be top three in the
Speaker 6: MVP race.
Speaker 2: Top three for Lamar, he set out the last six games.
Speaker 6: He got his big contract in April, so he's got money,
Speaker 6: he's well rested, so I expect big things from the Ravens.
Speaker 1: I hate to go against your mom. That's a tough one.
Speaker 3: It is tough because there are a few players in
Speaker 3: the NFL I love more than Lamar Jackson. There's a
Speaker 3: few humans on the world I love as much as
Speaker 3: Lakeisha Jackson.
Speaker 2: But you're gonna say Lamar, I was like, all right, now,
Speaker 2: can we just a little bit?
Speaker 3: But I feel like Wes would be disappointing me if
Speaker 3: I just didn't cold blooded steel your sandwiches like I
Speaker 3: would to him back, and sure, I'm making you up
Speaker 3: on this top three.
Speaker 4: It's just that's tough. That's rare era.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's a mark, he is a former MVP,
Speaker 2: and yeah, he's ostensibly in a better a fit for
Speaker 2: him and this could be a return to But yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm going to take you up on it too. I
Speaker 2: don't think it's implausible, but I think it's more likely
Speaker 2: he falls outside the top three.
Speaker 5: I mean, I guess if not this season, then when,
Speaker 5: because you've got your best cast of weapons and wide
Speaker 5: outs he's ever had. I think in general, the players
Speaker 5: are happy to be in like a new offensive system,
Speaker 5: but it's such a crowded like crew of quarterbacks in
Speaker 5: that MVP conversation, So top three, I'll take you on it.
Speaker 2: I think he'll be outside of the top three, and
Speaker 2: I think cycling back to circling back to gold standards
Speaker 2: prop I think he's saying logistically, it's going to be
Speaker 2: difficult for Harry Kane.
Speaker 1: I don't know where he is now in Germany.
Speaker 2: I believe it's to get to the UK an England game,
Speaker 2: a London game because of his schedule is different than
Speaker 2: it used to be because he moved from that team
Speaker 2: that he was at for a long time.
Speaker 3: Well, they're not gonna welcome him back there, I think,
Speaker 3: is what he's saying. But maybe he would he go
Speaker 3: to the UH Wembley game.
Speaker 2: I mean, welcome back, right, It's not like it's going
Speaker 2: to be a ceremony.
Speaker 1: On the field or no.
Speaker 3: But it would if Tom Brady would he go back
Speaker 3: to the Foxborough Stadium two months after the event.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't think they're thrilled.
Speaker 3: That he left, and maybe he's showing up to Wembley
Speaker 3: and Todham, But I did not think we'd circle back
Speaker 3: to zax Keish.
Speaker 2: Yes, so many great memories with Chris, Chris, countless memories
Speaker 2: and yourself and all those Thursday night openers at the
Speaker 2: house at Westchester and we uh, we were just texting
Speaker 2: about it yesterday in fact, how how much we missed
Speaker 2: Chris and she was still part of the show and
Speaker 2: still here with us. But those Thursday night openers always
Speaker 2: created some of the worst podcasts.
Speaker 1: Well he did those recaps, we would do.
Speaker 2: I always left the house because we we fun just
Speaker 2: watch it in the game, but the actual viewing of
Speaker 2: the games, being together, having some drinks, having some food
Speaker 2: and enjoying each other's company, that will stay with us forever.
Speaker 6: Yes, I know, I've mentioned it with all of you guys.
Speaker 6: It's just it gets, you know, kind of sad at
Speaker 6: the start of the season because you definitely notice it
Speaker 6: more because you know the excitement of the season that
Speaker 6: we used to have and him not here. So it's
Speaker 6: like we always just lean on each other and I'm
Speaker 6: just so grateful for you guys.
Speaker 5: I love you, guys.
Speaker 4: I love you too.
Speaker 2: There is something T shirt too, you got you got
Speaker 2: the all in the boxes.
Speaker 1: It was like covid era yep.
Speaker 2: Ricky old Zeusser Male Bunker Ark and the Bunker cast tea.
Speaker 2: That is such a cool shirt.
Speaker 6: Yes, a fan gave me this at the live show and.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's right. Shout out to whoever you may be.
Speaker 2: I remember you being a nice fellow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's something about the beginning of the season.
Speaker 3: You're right, I think it'll always be that way, beginning
Speaker 3: of the season, end of the season that makes us
Speaker 3: think of Chris even more, Like he's always such a
Speaker 3: big part of this show.
Speaker 2: But h three years, this will be our third season
Speaker 2: without Chris, which is also hard to see. But us
Speaker 2: all together right now talking about him and then just
Speaker 2: continuing to be close. That that's how you do it.
Speaker 3: He'd be proud, he'd be proud of this take of
Speaker 3: yours Keise, He'd be proud of everything, but but proud
Speaker 3: of us all staying staying as tight.
Speaker 5: Would you be proud of my cosplay? She probably would
Speaker 5: would be laughing, would enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: That's the most important thing.
Speaker 2: I love it. I love your mom's all in. I
Speaker 2: feel like your mom would be way into Odell too.
Speaker 2: So now he's in the building.
Speaker 6: Should even she don't even know about him yet.
Speaker 2: She's gonna love his charisma and his hair and everything.
Speaker 2: She's going to be super in. All right, Keish, thank
Speaker 2: you so much. We love you. You're the best. Come
Speaker 2: visit us again soon out here in l A. Now
Speaker 2: we say goodbye the Wednesday show in the books. We'll
Speaker 2: be back Thursday with two shows, really three. We're gonna
Speaker 2: have a preview of the rest of the games, our draft,
Speaker 2: we'll have the TNF recap of lines chiefs. Can you
Speaker 2: believe it? Tomorrow night? And also, yes, we've been talking
Speaker 2: about it. NFL Plus launches with our first episode where
Speaker 2: we do some looking in the mirror ahead of all right,
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