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Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
Speaker 1: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.
Speaker 1: Each episode will discuss the reasons we now know that
Speaker 1: our loved ones have survived physical death and so will we.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Today on our show,
Speaker 1: I want you to learn about doctor Paraceti coming to
Speaker 1: us from Scotland. He is a medical doctor and he
Speaker 1: has several books on a topic that you and I
Speaker 1: are both interested in. His latest book is called Step
Speaker 1: into the Light. Transform Your Fear of Death by Learning
Speaker 1: about Life after Life, and I've asked him to share
Speaker 1: a little bit about himself.
Speaker 3: Okay, very good. So I am your run of the
Speaker 3: mill Western educated medical doctor. And then what happened is
Speaker 3: that I got interested in international humanitarian assistance and I
Speaker 3: wanted to work for the Red Cross. So I got
Speaker 3: a master's degree in public health, and for a number
Speaker 3: of years I did in work internationally with the International
Speaker 3: Red Cross for many years, and then shortly for the
Speaker 3: United Nations. And then I went on from the field
Speaker 3: to the classroom and for seventeen years I taught management
Speaker 3: of human Italian operations, that's public health and emergencies, but
Speaker 3: brother than that, the overall management of human Italian operations
Speaker 3: to graduate and doctoral students to three major universities in Europe.
Speaker 3: And that's what I've been doing. My wife one day,
Speaker 3: we were living in Geneva and Switzerland at the time.
Speaker 3: One day we were having tea and she told me
Speaker 3: an anecdote, a ghostly story that happened to her. She's
Speaker 3: from Glasgow herself, and I started by saying that I'm
Speaker 3: a Western educated medical doctor, and with that I imply
Speaker 3: that at the time this was happening in two thousand
Speaker 3: and eight, at the time, I was in a frame
Speaker 3: of mind that every thing that can possibly exist is matter,
Speaker 3: and if you cannot touch it or measure it, simply
Speaker 3: does not exist. And therefore mind fell. What's mind? Mind
Speaker 3: is simply the product of the electrochemical activity of the brain,
Speaker 3: isn't it. And by logical consequence, when that activity stops,
Speaker 3: well that's the end of it. That's the end of us.
Speaker 3: That's the end of mind, and that's the end of life.
Speaker 3: And that little anecdote set in motion a process which lasted,
Speaker 3: I mean a long time, many years, and that set
Speaker 3: me on a path of discovering, of discovery, sorry, and
Speaker 3: a path of suffering as well, because I was discussing
Speaker 3: this with somebody else recently, and I say that it
Speaker 3: is indeed an arguous, difficult path, because moving from that
Speaker 3: critical acceptance of materialism to the position where I am
Speaker 3: now as not alignier process. It's not that you read
Speaker 3: a book or you understand something and you're done.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: Changing worldview is a going and coming back process. One
Speaker 3: moment you're convinced, and the next moment you say, bloody hell,
Speaker 3: but that's not possible. I mean, I reckon to this day.
Speaker 3: I read about thirty thousand pages of literature on the
Speaker 3: broader subject of psychical research, and I'm a member of
Speaker 3: several professional scientific organizations dedicated to the study of these subjects,
Speaker 3: and I went to conferences study is even trained personally
Speaker 3: with Raymond Moody, who I think many of your listeners
Speaker 3: will remember, is that you know, twenty five million copy
Speaker 3: seller of Life After Life, if the first one we've
Speaker 3: really come out or spoken about near death experiences in
Speaker 3: the seventies. Eventually theyd convince that we don't die. The
Speaker 3: evidence is there, the facts are there. Anybody who has
Speaker 3: considered the whole lot of the evidence can only draw
Speaker 3: one conclusion. In a way, we do not understand human
Speaker 3: personality survives the death of the physical body, even amongst
Speaker 3: scientists so to speak, or people of a scientific disposition.
Speaker 3: If you ask them off the record, they will say
Speaker 3: that they do entertain this possibility. But then when they
Speaker 3: have to make a pronouncement officially, they retract and they
Speaker 3: have to protect their career, the status and everything they
Speaker 3: have to take the skeptical attitude, which is sadly still fashionable.
Speaker 3: Now what today, I am convinced that a mind cannot
Speaker 3: is related to but more than the electrochemical activity of
Speaker 3: the brain. Anybody's looked at the parapsychology research and after
Speaker 3: life studies can only draw that conclusion. Yes, there is
Speaker 3: a correlation, but it's more than It's not dependent on mind,
Speaker 3: is not dependent on mind, can exist independently from a
Speaker 3: function in physical brain. Facts say that, there's not wishful thinking.
Speaker 3: Facts say that. And secondly, as we just said, and
Speaker 3: perhaps this is an extension of the first truth, is
Speaker 3: that we do survive physical death. When I say do,
Speaker 3: I mean our mind, our personality, our memories. As we
Speaker 3: just say, our affections do survive the demise of the
Speaker 3: physical body. And people often ask me, where's the proof
Speaker 3: of that? And if we had a superficial conversation, I
Speaker 3: could point you to a number of elements of pieces
Speaker 3: of evidence which in themselves are so strong, so undeniable,
Speaker 3: that they would constitute proof in themselves. But if we're
Speaker 3: having a truly serious conversation, if I were to defend
Speaker 3: this in a court of justice, for instance, I would present,
Speaker 3: I would make the argument that survival is supported. Let's say,
Speaker 3: a rational belief in life after life is supported by
Speaker 3: the collective weight of the evidence. There are, as I said,
Speaker 3: individual pieces which are very very strong, but still when
Speaker 3: you consider the collective way of the evidence, about a
Speaker 3: dozen field of investigation after life, communication, reincarnation studies, near
Speaker 3: their studies, deathbed visions. There's about a dozen, and they
Speaker 3: are coherent and consistent. They all point to the same truth,
Speaker 3: the unbelievable truth that we don't die. As Sandra says,
Speaker 3: So I'm not convinced by one thing. I've not been convinced,
Speaker 3: as I said before, in one flash of insight or understanding.
Speaker 3: For me, it's the accumulation of information. I like to
Speaker 3: say that rational belief life after life is supported by
Speaker 3: the knowledge and critical evaluation of facts. People have to
Speaker 3: know and engage their own reason in say, as I
Speaker 3: do in twenty one Days, as I do in both
Speaker 3: the workbook That You Have Love Knows No Death and
Speaker 3: the new book Step into the Light. I engage the
Speaker 3: reader's reason because that's the only way to really make
Speaker 3: that step that transforms the pain of a loss and
Speaker 3: transforms the fear of death. So let me take another
Speaker 3: moment of your time and your listeners time to explain
Speaker 3: a little bit where I come from. In my applied
Speaker 3: psychical research or yes, applied after life studies stands. I
Speaker 3: have studied cognitive behavior therapy, which is an evidence the
Speaker 3: evidence based form of psychotherapy which is now the standard treatment,
Speaker 3: particularly for depression and also for anxiety disorders. And the
Speaker 3: premise of cognitive therapy is very simple. It's evidence based.
Speaker 3: So again it's not a theory, a fancy theory like psychoanalysis,
Speaker 3: is again facts, an evidence based The fact and evidence
Speaker 3: say is that the way we feel depends entirely on
Speaker 3: the way we think. If we have a stimulus, the
Speaker 3: stimulus does not lead directly to an emotion. Before the
Speaker 3: emotion is felt, you have to pass through an interpretation
Speaker 3: of the stimulus. I give you very simple example. You're
Speaker 3: asleep at night and you're walken up by a noise
Speaker 3: in the adjacent room. That's the stimulus. It's the same
Speaker 3: as a noise there're something crashing there. Your first thought
Speaker 3: is a burglar. As I entered the apartment, what's your emotion,
Speaker 3: dear thank you? Your first thought is the cat has
Speaker 3: knocked over the flower vase. What's your reaction, what's your emotion?
Speaker 1: Could be upset, but I go back to sleep.
Speaker 3: There you go. So the stimulus is the same, the
Speaker 3: interpretation of the stimulus is different. The emotion that we
Speaker 3: feel so strongly is completely different. So thoughts are fundamentally
Speaker 3: important in determining our emotions and our well being in
Speaker 3: the case of bereavement, in the case of a pain
Speaker 3: of a loss, I am fond again I use this expression.
Speaker 3: I am fond of saying that there's a part of
Speaker 3: the pain which is quite simply unavoidable, Sanchra. That is
Speaker 3: who we are as human beings, and there's no pill,
Speaker 3: there's no theory, there's no nothing that will take that away.
Speaker 3: We are humans, were bound to have this, which is
Speaker 3: possibly the most commonly shared experience. We'll lose somebody we love.
Speaker 3: We're in pain. There's nothing to do. That part is incompressible,
Speaker 3: it cannot be compressed. But there's another part of the
Speaker 3: pain which is avoidable and unnecessary.
Speaker 1: Doctor Parasiti, I think this is a good time for
Speaker 1: the break because I know you have a lot more
Speaker 1: to say on this. My friends who want to check
Speaker 1: out his website. You can find out more about doctor
Speaker 1: Piero Kelvi Parasti at d Rparasti dot com, d R
Speaker 1: p A r I s E t TI dot com.
Speaker 1: So let's go to the break and then we'll be back.
Speaker 1: You're listening to Aids of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio
Speaker 1: in Coast to Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back
Speaker 1: to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and we
Speaker 1: are with doctor Piero Parasetti, who had a great example
Speaker 1: about our thoughts control our emotions. And doctor Paracetti, you
Speaker 1: were just talking about grief. The pain is unavoidable, but
Speaker 1: that there is a part that is avoidable. Could you
Speaker 1: pick up where you left off.
Speaker 3: There's another part of the pain which is avoidable and unnecessary.
Speaker 3: That part of the pain comes from a thought. And
Speaker 3: the thought is my loved one has vanished. My loved
Speaker 3: one has disappeared into a black nothingness. It existed and
Speaker 3: now it doesn't exist anymore. Has a very painful thought.
Speaker 3: It generates an unspeakable really I mean pain and suffering
Speaker 3: and it is simply not true. So like in cognitive therapy,
Speaker 3: cognitive therapy it teaches you to recognize these automatic negative
Speaker 3: thoughts that supports depression, and not to go all the
Speaker 3: way to positive thinking. Yeah I'm the best, because that's fake.
Speaker 3: That's equally fake. It simply rebalances and reformulate the thought
Speaker 3: in a more realistic way. The same thing can be
Speaker 3: done with thoughts about death. Right. So this is very
Speaker 3: helpful for people who have lost a loved one. And
Speaker 3: here I come to the latest book. I am surprised,
Speaker 3: pleasantly surprised at myself, I must say, because I've researched
Speaker 3: and written a whole book during lockdown. You say, aha,
Speaker 3: easy enough, you've got nothing else to do. True, I
Speaker 3: make no mystery. I had a relatively major depressive episode,
Speaker 3: very strongly linked with the limitations and the fact of being,
Speaker 3: you know, the lockdown and all these things. And you know,
Speaker 3: we've all suffered in our own ways, and my way
Speaker 3: of suffering was through depression, out of which I'm very
Speaker 3: glad to say I'm out. But I suffered quite a
Speaker 3: bit despite that. Since I'm a good soldier, I managed
Speaker 3: to research and write a whole book. Is a very
Speaker 3: serious book, and it's directed specifically at those in fear
Speaker 3: of death their own death or the death of a
Speaker 3: loved one. And here again I want you and our friends,
Speaker 3: our listeners to put ourselves in. A situation is possibly
Speaker 3: one of the worst situations we can think. We don't
Speaker 3: really want to think of that possibility. Let's say that
Speaker 3: will never happen to us. But if you were to happen,
Speaker 3: if we were to find ourselves with a terminal disease,
Speaker 3: or at least the diagnosis of a terminal disease, that
Speaker 3: is bad enough a situation, isn't it. There is like
Speaker 3: for the believed person, there's a part of the suffering
Speaker 3: of that situation which unfortunately is not me. Is not
Speaker 3: nothing will take that away. It's the discomfort in certain cases, unfortunately,
Speaker 3: is the actual pain. Really is a difficult situation made worse,
Speaker 3: unnecessarily worse by the fear by the terror of an
Speaker 3: a highlation, the fear of ceasing to exist. I exist now,
Speaker 3: and I will not exist anymore. I have experiences now,
Speaker 3: This is really what we treasure. I have experiences now,
Speaker 3: and then it will be a black curtain and I
Speaker 3: will not experience anything anymore. Well, that thought is false.
Speaker 3: That thought is not supported to evidence. And this is
Speaker 3: a beautiful truth. So unfortunately I cannot do anything for
Speaker 3: the pain and the suffering of God going through you know,
Speaker 3: the serious a fatal degenerative disease or a cancer or
Speaker 3: whatever it is. But I can't do a lot to
Speaker 3: take away that unnecessary pain. And what I do is
Speaker 3: that I explain, can I go on a moment because
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm really ah.
Speaker 1: As much time as you.
Speaker 3: Like, you're so kind, I mean my elements because I'm
Speaker 3: passionate about these things. These things are not only intellectually interesting,
Speaker 3: and that's what attracts me. They have such a transformative
Speaker 3: potential for people, and that's why I'm so enthusiastic. So
Speaker 3: what I'm doing in step into the light is that
Speaker 3: instead people okay, people are scared of dying, are scared
Speaker 3: of not have a fear of not existing anymore, which is,
Speaker 3: you know, a primordial fear we all have. People are
Speaker 3: also curious to know what dying is like and if
Speaker 3: indeed there is an afterlife that in itself is a
Speaker 3: great is a great reason for hope and optimism. But
Speaker 3: what is that afterlife like? So in order to answer
Speaker 3: those questions, one could have reviewed I don't know the
Speaker 3: religious and beliefs around the world and what they say
Speaker 3: about the afterlife or some philosophical stances on what an
Speaker 3: afterlife might be. Well, I thought of taking a much
Speaker 3: more pragmatic approach. Let's ask those who've been there, and
Speaker 3: my sources of information are essentially three, one specific to
Speaker 3: the process of dying, and those are deathbed visions, an
Speaker 3: end of life phenomenon. Then on what the afterlife may
Speaker 3: or actually does look like. We have two other major
Speaker 3: sources of information, which are near death experiencers and those
Speaker 3: who have actually died and communicated to us from the
Speaker 3: other side, the spirit communicators. So the first part of
Speaker 3: the book is devoted to establishing the credibility of these sources.
Speaker 3: Is it reasonable to trust the testimony from dbv's death
Speaker 3: bad visions and the is near death experiences and spirit communication.
Speaker 3: And I engage the reader in what I describe as
Speaker 3: a bit of a detective work, like you know, a
Speaker 3: forensic like CSI business, because we look at what deathbed
Speaker 3: visions and other end of life phenomena are, we look
Speaker 3: at all the alternative explanations for these beautiful, beautiful experiences
Speaker 3: that many people have let me open apparenthesis here because
Speaker 3: many people don't know, mind you. If you ask nurses
Speaker 3: or people working in hospices, they say, oh, of course,
Speaker 3: we see this all the time. But then let me
Speaker 3: share this nippet of evidence. We know that about ten
Speaker 3: percent of people are conscious at the moment of their passing. Okay,
Speaker 3: of those two thirds, I mean a massive two birds
Speaker 3: have deathbed visions. They are seen, They were semi comatos,
Speaker 3: and they lost all the faculties and they were just
Speaker 3: laying in bed and twelve twenty four thirty six hours
Speaker 3: before actually passing, they seem to wake up. Their demeanor
Speaker 3: changes completely, and they talk to people nobody else is
Speaker 3: not always somebody. Sometimes they are also seen, and those
Speaker 3: are the shared death experiences. But let's stay with DBVs
Speaker 3: and they say, oh, here's here's my mom, here's my brother,
Speaker 3: I mean diseased relatives who are constantly said to have
Speaker 3: come to take them over to facilitate the passing. And
Speaker 3: there's this is much more complex than that. And just
Speaker 3: you know, big paint brushes, right, So, deathbed visions and
Speaker 3: other end of life phenomena paint a very rosy picture
Speaker 3: of the moment of passing. Can we believe that or
Speaker 3: are we fooling ourselves. I don't want to be taken
Speaker 3: for it, right, I mean, as much as I'm happy
Speaker 3: to have this rational belief, and really, I mean for me,
Speaker 3: is a terror to be you know, to believe something
Speaker 3: that's false. Well, let's look at it. Let's look at
Speaker 3: the phenomenon. Let's look at what explanations have been attempted
Speaker 3: or tentatively proposed, and we see that none of the
Speaker 3: normal explanations can actually account for the clinical facts. So
Speaker 3: we establish the credibility of dbbs. Then we do the
Speaker 3: same for near death experiences. To quite some extent, step
Speaker 3: into the light is not daytime television. I'm sorry to say.
Speaker 3: I know that I'm cutting off a part of the
Speaker 3: potential readership. Here is not an academic text, but it
Speaker 3: requires some commitment. You have to engage with the evidence.
Speaker 3: If you want to arrive at a beautiful belief that
Speaker 3: can take away your fear of death, you have to
Speaker 3: engage with the evidence. So you have to understand that
Speaker 3: deathbed visions are credible, near death experiences are credible, and
Speaker 3: it is reasonable to trust what spirit communicators tell us.
Speaker 3: It is reasonable to believe that they are who or
Speaker 3: what they claim to be, and I mean it takes
Speaker 3: quite a few pages to get to the understanding. Once
Speaker 3: or I have, let's we together. Once we've established me
Speaker 3: and the reader the door sources of information are credible,
Speaker 3: then the second part of the book looks at what
Speaker 3: they actually say and what it was. Again, so interesting
Speaker 3: from the personal, the human point of view and from
Speaker 3: the intellectual point of view is to see that people
Speaker 3: from totally different traditions, backgrounds, cultures, previous religious beliefs or
Speaker 3: non beliefs, they essentially say the same things.
Speaker 1: Doctor Parasiti, Let's go to a quick break and then
Speaker 1: you can pick up where you left off. You're listening
Speaker 1: to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast
Speaker 1: to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades
Speaker 1: of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and we are here
Speaker 1: with doctor Piero Parasiti, author of Step into the Light.
Speaker 1: Transform your fear of death by learning about life after life.
Speaker 3: Let's continue, people from totally different traditions, backgrounds, cultures, previous
Speaker 3: religious beliefs or non beliefs, they essentially say the same things.
Speaker 3: We know that from near death experiences. But it's amazing
Speaker 3: to see the same thing coming from deathbed visions and
Speaker 3: from spirit communication, and even more intriguing, many of the
Speaker 3: things they say concerning the afterlife and what happens to
Speaker 3: us are in direct contrasts to what is said by
Speaker 3: established religions, and that for me is a further element
Speaker 3: that indicates that their real sources, because they are relating
Speaker 3: not what you would expect their belief, they are relating
Speaker 3: an actual experience. So that's what Step into the Light
Speaker 3: is all about.
Speaker 1: And in the big picture, after reading it and not
Speaker 1: just reading it, but I think everyone has to go
Speaker 1: on this journey for themselves. And it's great to believe
Speaker 1: what other people say, but we need to experience it
Speaker 1: for ourselves to really get it, to really embrace the truth.
Speaker 1: But what do you see possible? I mean, it's not
Speaker 1: only just not having a fear of death, that's possible.
Speaker 1: What's possible with how people live life?
Speaker 3: Shorry, what's possible to say?
Speaker 1: How can people live life differently with having this information?
Speaker 3: Live in if live in a meter off the ground,
Speaker 3: if you got sorry, this came out of somewhere, But really,
Speaker 3: when you realize that this all important life that we
Speaker 3: think is the only way people say, oh, life is
Speaker 3: too short and it's the only one we have, et cetera. Well,
Speaker 3: actually not, actually not, Life is much grander than we
Speaker 3: can possibly think. And I mean, if really you spoke
Speaker 3: about the greatest scheme of things here, I'm really thinking
Speaker 3: of the greatest, greatest, greatest scheme of things. And I mean,
Speaker 3: and we do draw that conclusion funnily enough at the
Speaker 3: beginning and at the end of the book. Life exists
Speaker 3: at various different levels Earth or whatever material world we
Speaker 3: happen to be living, and at certain stages is one
Speaker 3: of those levels. There are other levels which we visit,
Speaker 3: apparently reportedly in a cyclical fashion. It seems, it appears
Speaker 3: we can conclude all these expressions. We can conclude that
Speaker 3: life is formed, or consists of, rather a series of cycles,
Speaker 3: including an earthly or otherwise material incarnation, followed by sojourns
Speaker 3: in various levels of the spiritual realms. There's not one afterlife.
Speaker 3: There are many, and there are often even in traditional
Speaker 3: spiritual traditions that you know they speak about the seven
Speaker 3: heavens and everything. There are concentric spheres if you want,
Speaker 3: or different levels, the material level being the what I
Speaker 3: say it is low, but it's not judgmental. It happens
Speaker 3: to be the more solid, the more material, and then
Speaker 3: you move when when you shed the physical body, you
Speaker 3: move into or through progressively more refined, more spiritual, less
Speaker 3: material planes of existence. But it is always existence. It's
Speaker 3: the same existence we are experiencing. Now. We exist in
Speaker 3: a non material world, and then we do reincarnate. That's
Speaker 3: the only conclusion we can draw from testimony and from evidence.
Speaker 3: And this happens how many times. I don't know how
Speaker 3: many angels can dance on a pin head, I don't know,
Speaker 3: but I would say many times. And we go through
Speaker 3: the cycle of earthly incarnation and life in the different spheres,
Speaker 3: so to speak, of the spirit world. But this is
Speaker 3: not like we're not on the same level. This is
Speaker 3: not a flat process. This is an upward process. I
Speaker 3: see it as a spiral going up. Because the meaning,
Speaker 3: the final, the quintessential, the fundamental meaning of existence is
Speaker 3: making experiences, is experiencing the very fact of experiences. And
Speaker 3: these experiences accumulate, They contribute to wisdom, to the age
Speaker 3: of our personality, of our soul, to the point that
Speaker 3: at some stage, when we've accumulated enough experiences through many
Speaker 3: of these cycles. Then when it's time to go back
Speaker 3: and drinkernate, well not anymore. Then we do finally merge
Speaker 3: into this unity fundamental consciousness. Call it God if you
Speaker 3: want to be religious, if you want to call it
Speaker 3: with a religious term, I'd rather call it cosmic consciousness
Speaker 3: or the ultimate nature of reality. And here I speak personally.
Speaker 3: I'm not speaking about evidence or facts anymore. That's my
Speaker 3: personal convictions. After studying these things for many years, after yeah,
Speaker 3: reflecting and thinking, I became convinced that the ultimate nature
Speaker 3: of reality is not matter, is consciousness. Consciousness creates matter,
Speaker 3: and not all the way around. I know this is difficult,
Speaker 3: but I love it. That's what I believe with you,
Speaker 3: and there are and there are very very, very very
Speaker 3: strong arguments that can be made for that, okay. And
Speaker 3: if that is true, that is perfectly consistent with what
Speaker 3: we are told by our sources of information. And therefore,
Speaker 3: at the end of these many cycles and processes and everything,
Speaker 3: we go back into being what we've always been, consciousness.
Speaker 3: We were consciousness to begin with. We manifested in earthly
Speaker 3: incarnations and unearthly incarnations the same we manifest on earth
Speaker 3: as material beings and in the spirit world as non
Speaker 3: material beings, but we still manifest as beings. And then
Speaker 3: at the end of the process, like a wave that
Speaker 3: has formed from the ocean and goes back in the ocean,
Speaker 3: but it was ocean all the time, and we've been
Speaker 3: consciousness awareness all the time, or that's all that exist.
Speaker 1: It's very well said. And there's an author named Mike
Speaker 1: Dooley who always says thoughts become things, so choose the
Speaker 1: good ones. So I want to just remind everyone who's
Speaker 1: listening right now about what you said about when things
Speaker 1: happen and they go through the mind. Someone had said
Speaker 1: the mind can make a heaven out of hell or
Speaker 1: hell out of heaven. And so with concepts like say
Speaker 1: reincarnation or merging into greater consciousness, there can be fear
Speaker 1: that comes up about, well, what's going to happen, And
Speaker 1: there's arguments on both sides for reincarnation and different things.
Speaker 1: And I always tell people go with what feels right.
Speaker 1: You don't believe in perfect we're all on our own journeys,
Speaker 1: but be careful of what the mind says. Because even
Speaker 1: when I was a five year old child, I wasn't
Speaker 1: thinking so far into the future as to what's life
Speaker 1: going to be like now, And the same thing happens
Speaker 1: to be afraid right now for what could happen in
Speaker 1: a thousand years merging into the consciousness. We have to
Speaker 1: trust that we have made it this far in life.
Speaker 1: We've made it through grief, We've made it through obstacles
Speaker 1: and struggles and even the terrible things people have made
Speaker 1: it through. But the bottom line is we made it through.
Speaker 1: So we will still be us in the afterlife, and
Speaker 1: yes we will continue, but we won't have this negative
Speaker 1: self talk.
Speaker 3: This is addressed again. Sorry for coming back to the book,
Speaker 3: because these are crucial questions that needs addressing, and these
Speaker 3: are addressed specifically with very specific quotes that again in
Speaker 3: a way which we do not begin to understand that
Speaker 3: merging in a thousand or a billion whatever you know,
Speaker 3: time apparently is a very earthly concept that doesn't apply
Speaker 3: to other parts of our existence. But let's say in
Speaker 3: this distant future, when we will apparently reportedly merge back
Speaker 3: into consciousness, we will not lose our individuality. And this
Speaker 3: is mysterious and marvelous. So even if now we've taken
Speaker 3: care of your death, fear of death tomorrow or you know,
Speaker 3: in thirty forty fifty years now. Don't have the fear.
Speaker 3: Don't replace that with the fear of marging back into consciousness,
Speaker 3: because that's not that's not really granted you. We do
Speaker 3: somehow retain our individuality even as part of this cosmic hall.
Speaker 3: Let me take a last stop, if I may, on
Speaker 3: why it's important to know what happens when we die
Speaker 3: and afterwards.
Speaker 1: Let me interrupt just for a second, because I think
Speaker 1: this would be a good time to go to the
Speaker 1: break and then you can come back with your last stab.
Speaker 1: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio
Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back
Speaker 1: to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlaine. We are
Speaker 1: with doctor Piero Parisetti, author of Step into the Light.
Speaker 1: Transform your fear of death by learning about life after
Speaker 1: life and after You were just about to say why
Speaker 1: it's so important that we believe in life after death.
Speaker 3: We have been repeatedly told and you know, the second
Speaker 3: part of the book is essentially made up of quotes.
Speaker 3: They are organized quotes and systematized and introduction and commentary
Speaker 3: to the quotes, but these are quotes from the sources.
Speaker 3: We establish the credibility of the sources, now we want
Speaker 3: to use them. Okay, on this particular subject, there is
Speaker 3: really an insistence on the part of our deceased friends
Speaker 3: on the other side, that being prepared, knowing what's going
Speaker 3: to happen to you once you shed your physical body
Speaker 3: is essential to avoid a period of confusion and bewilderment,
Speaker 3: which can actually be unpleasant. And some people experience when
Speaker 3: either they suffer a sudden death they were not prepared
Speaker 3: of for, or they have not thought about this, they
Speaker 3: don't know what to expect, or maybe the expect not
Speaker 3: to exist anymore. That makes the initial period of the
Speaker 3: afterlife a possibly unpleasant experience. Remember the medieval Christian prayer
Speaker 3: quoted by the late professor David Fontana Bless his soul,
Speaker 3: one of my really intellectual heroes, and he reminded of
Speaker 3: this prayer that says, God save me from a sudden death.
Speaker 3: Why it's the sudden element that's important, because a sudden
Speaker 3: death is a death for which we're not prepared and
Speaker 3: may lead, as I say, to this moment of yeah disorientation,
Speaker 3: bewilderment and possibly negative experiences, which is temporary because at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, we all naturally like a bubble,
Speaker 3: like a bubble of air from the bottom of the ocean,
Speaker 3: We naturally sohore up our discarnate selves, naturally soar towards
Speaker 3: higher dimensions. So that moment of disorientation and negativity is temporary.
Speaker 3: But if you can avoid it, so much the better.
Speaker 3: How to avoid it, be prepared, as the Scouts would say,
Speaker 3: be prepared by knowing what life after life.
Speaker 1: Is like, and our loved ones will be there the greatest.
Speaker 1: I have full faith.
Speaker 3: In that, indeed, absolutely, absolutely. Amongst the many fears about
Speaker 3: death is the fact that people are scared of dying alone.
Speaker 3: We never die alone. We always die even at the
Speaker 3: moment of death, we're surrounded by loved ones. And if
Speaker 3: we don't have I don't know anybody who doesn't have
Speaker 3: any this is loved one. But if we happen not
Speaker 3: to have, we have spiritual beings and spirit guides who
Speaker 3: come and greet you and help you transition in over
Speaker 3: so we do not die alone. And that's the first
Speaker 3: beautiful truth about death, apart from the fact that we
Speaker 3: don't die.
Speaker 1: Oh it's wonderful. And I think even probably for you
Speaker 1: and for me, there are times that we question everything
Speaker 1: that we've done and learned. It's like, is this really happening?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think for our human being, this we're
Speaker 1: not meant to remember twenty four hours a day the
Speaker 1: bigger picture, because I don't know if there would be
Speaker 1: the value in life. We still need some struggles to
Speaker 1: have successes, and there's so many things. But I and
Speaker 1: probably you live a different kind of life because we
Speaker 1: can't be caught up in our humanity too long, because
Speaker 1: all it takes is sharing or even some of our
Speaker 1: listeners might watch a video on YouTube and you think, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right. It is a much bigger picture. So I
Speaker 1: don't think we tend to buy into negativity as long.
Speaker 1: I think we can be more powerful in life as
Speaker 1: opposed to being a victim. We might say, okay, maybe
Speaker 1: this is in my life and I've got something to
Speaker 1: learn from my soul.
Speaker 3: Also, I'm with you entirely, and I think that we
Speaker 3: owe it to ourselves to try to improve ourselves, and
Speaker 3: that's you know, to avoid suffering if possible, and to
Speaker 3: create in our material lives the conditions as possible to
Speaker 3: be happy. But remember what I said a moment ago.
Speaker 3: We come to this earth or to other material worlds
Speaker 3: as well as we exist here, and we exist in
Speaker 3: the spiritual realm for one reason to have experiences. And
Speaker 3: there are certain experiences we are clearly told which are
Speaker 3: only possible in the material plane. Not all these experiences
Speaker 3: are positive. Unfortunately, we were not made or born to
Speaker 3: be happy all the time. We have to serenely admit
Speaker 3: that when we're having unpleasant experiences, we don't like it.
Speaker 3: I really was not well six or eight or ten
Speaker 3: months ago, and I hated it, and I was trying
Speaker 3: to squirm out of it. And like anybody would if
Speaker 3: you have a short tooth, you don't like it and
Speaker 3: you do anything you can to try to come out
Speaker 3: of that. However, from the greater, the far away perspective,
Speaker 3: we've taken a moment ago that is an experience, that
Speaker 3: is part of what we came to this earth for
Speaker 3: having experiences.
Speaker 1: And I think, like many of us know, whether it's
Speaker 1: a tooth or whether it's a loved one who dies.
Speaker 1: Once we've had that experience, we can make a difference
Speaker 1: with someone else whether it's you can make it through this,
Speaker 1: you learn how strong you are.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I had a friend of mine who ended up making
Speaker 1: a lot of money, so much money that he bought
Speaker 1: all the best things, traveled around the world, shared free
Speaker 1: with his friends, and he was miserable because being happy
Speaker 1: all the time you aren't happy all the time.
Speaker 3: You can't.
Speaker 1: So he gave it up and he's living. I mean,
Speaker 1: he still has money, but he's working. He's contributing to society,
Speaker 1: and that's where the true riches are.
Speaker 3: It's a he is a better human being. Did I say.
Speaker 3: I don't want to be judgmental, but you.
Speaker 1: Know, I mean, yeah, I agree. Well, anything else you'd
Speaker 1: like to share, we're coming up to the.
Speaker 3: Top of the I think that we've discussed a lot
Speaker 3: of things, and I enjoyed a lot. That was always
Speaker 3: an outlet for my enthusiasm, and I really thank you
Speaker 3: for providing that. And I think the listeners who have
Speaker 3: endured by the blather, as we say in Glasgow, you
Speaker 3: may listeners will be baffled because they hear Italian undertones
Speaker 3: and scottishandertones in my speaking. Yes, I'm a Tally, I'm
Speaker 3: a Glaswegian Italian.
Speaker 1: That's a beautiful thing. You're a beautiful Oh you're so
Speaker 1: thank you, doctor Parisetti. And to our listeners, don't forget
Speaker 1: to check out his book Step into the Light, Transform
Speaker 1: your Fear of Death by learning about life after Life.
Speaker 1: Also you can find out more on his website Doctor
Speaker 1: Parasetti dot com, d R P A R I S
Speaker 1: E T t I dot com. This has been an
Speaker 1: incredible conversation and I'm just reminded by a show my
Speaker 1: mom and I watched earlier today. The actor Chris Hemsworth,
Speaker 1: who plays Thor in the Disney movies. He's got a
Speaker 1: six part series called Limitless where he learns all about
Speaker 1: the human body, the mind, how to live a life
Speaker 1: with longevity. It's an amazing show, and he does all
Speaker 1: kinds of crazy things like swimming in ice cold water
Speaker 1: and dangling one hundred feet from a cable car and
Speaker 1: having to rope climb all the way up to the top,
Speaker 1: and so many things really pushing his limits, but also,
Speaker 1: like I said, to learn about longevity. The very last
Speaker 1: episode is about aging in the end of life. So
Speaker 1: they put him in a suit that was designed by MIT,
Speaker 1: Massachusetts Institute of Technology that he is this completely fit man,
Speaker 1: but this suit makes him feel like he's in his
Speaker 1: mid eighties, so it really restricts his movements. He's got
Speaker 1: to wear glass is that make his vision blurry. They
Speaker 1: block out thirty percent of his hearing. He's wobbly. He
Speaker 1: just is in a body that feels like what many
Speaker 1: people do when they're older. And as a result, they
Speaker 1: put him in a retirement community. And the lesson is
Speaker 1: to learn to accept that we're all going to age
Speaker 1: and death is on the horizon for all of us,
Speaker 1: and how we can really live life when we accept
Speaker 1: aging and we accept death. There is a woman at
Speaker 1: the end who does a meditation with him. She is
Speaker 1: a death doula or a death midwife. But there is
Speaker 1: something that just didn't sit right with me with her
Speaker 1: words because she was talking about it being the end,
Speaker 1: being the end of him, and I thought, great show,
Speaker 1: what if these death doulas talk people through like on
Speaker 1: the exhale, you will open your eyes and you'll be
Speaker 1: surrounded by your loved ones and you may see a
Speaker 1: bright light and things like that. So it just left
Speaker 1: me thinking maybe there's something to record there so that
Speaker 1: we can lose that fear of dying and then have
Speaker 1: that powerful life. I want to thank you for listening today.
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Speaker 1: medium classes. Get to know your soul as the mighty
Speaker 1: one that it is. I'm Sandra Champlain and you've been
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