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We would like to encourage you to do 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:51.120 your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi. 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:55.440 I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:59.080 on a journey to prove the existence of life after death. 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:03.760 Each episode will discuss the reasons we now know that 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:09.160 our loved ones have survived physical death and so will we. 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:13.279 Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Today on our show, 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:17.320 I want you to learn about doctor Paraceti coming to 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:21.560 us from Scotland. He is a medical doctor and he 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:24.720 has several books on a topic that you and I 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:29.120 are both interested in. His latest book is called Step 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:33.880 into the Light. Transform Your Fear of Death by Learning 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:37.920 about Life after Life, and I've asked him to share 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:39.400 a little bit about himself. 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:43.240 Okay, very good. So I am your run of the 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:48.440 mill Western educated medical doctor. And then what happened is 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:52.880 that I got interested in international humanitarian assistance and I 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:55.280 wanted to work for the Red Cross. So I got 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:58.880 a master's degree in public health, and for a number 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:02.720 of years I did in work internationally with the International 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:05.800 Red Cross for many years, and then shortly for the 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:10.720 United Nations. And then I went on from the field 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:15.960 to the classroom and for seventeen years I taught management 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:19.320 of human Italian operations, that's public health and emergencies, but 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:23.600 brother than that, the overall management of human Italian operations 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:30.440 to graduate and doctoral students to three major universities in Europe. 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:34.120 And that's what I've been doing. My wife one day, 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:36.680 we were living in Geneva and Switzerland at the time. 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:39.960 One day we were having tea and she told me 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:44.040 an anecdote, a ghostly story that happened to her. She's 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:48.079 from Glasgow herself, and I started by saying that I'm 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:51.840 a Western educated medical doctor, and with that I imply 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:54.960 that at the time this was happening in two thousand 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:57.880 and eight, at the time, I was in a frame 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:02.799 of mind that every thing that can possibly exist is matter, 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:06.200 and if you cannot touch it or measure it, simply 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:12.160 does not exist. And therefore mind fell. What's mind? Mind 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:16.360 is simply the product of the electrochemical activity of the brain, 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:23.200 isn't it. And by logical consequence, when that activity stops, 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:26.720 well that's the end of it. That's the end of us. 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:29.160 That's the end of mind, and that's the end of life. 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:35.640 And that little anecdote set in motion a process which lasted, 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:40.120 I mean a long time, many years, and that set 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:45.720 me on a path of discovering, of discovery, sorry, and 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:49.840 a path of suffering as well, because I was discussing 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:53.800 this with somebody else recently, and I say that it 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:59.000 is indeed an arguous, difficult path, because moving from that 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:05.040 critical acceptance of materialism to the position where I am 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:08.520 now as not alignier process. It's not that you read 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:12.600 a book or you understand something and you're done. 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:13.120 No. 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:18.839 Changing worldview is a going and coming back process. One 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:22.400 moment you're convinced, and the next moment you say, bloody hell, 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:25.240 but that's not possible. I mean, I reckon to this day. 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:29.920 I read about thirty thousand pages of literature on the 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:34.000 broader subject of psychical research, and I'm a member of 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:40.880 several professional scientific organizations dedicated to the study of these subjects, 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:45.640 and I went to conferences study is even trained personally 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:49.360 with Raymond Moody, who I think many of your listeners 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:53.360 will remember, is that you know, twenty five million copy 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:57.480 seller of Life After Life, if the first one we've 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:02.240 really come out or spoken about near death experiences in 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:08.600 the seventies. Eventually theyd convince that we don't die. The 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:13.359 evidence is there, the facts are there. Anybody who has 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:18.680 considered the whole lot of the evidence can only draw 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:23.320 one conclusion. In a way, we do not understand human 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:28.640 personality survives the death of the physical body, even amongst 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:34.280 scientists so to speak, or people of a scientific disposition. 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:38.240 If you ask them off the record, they will say 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:42.520 that they do entertain this possibility. But then when they 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:47.039 have to make a pronouncement officially, they retract and they 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:50.680 have to protect their career, the status and everything they 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:56.000 have to take the skeptical attitude, which is sadly still fashionable. 0:05:56.080 --> 0:06:03.960 Now what today, I am convinced that a mind cannot 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:09.719 is related to but more than the electrochemical activity of 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:14.839 the brain. Anybody's looked at the parapsychology research and after 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:19.200 life studies can only draw that conclusion. Yes, there is 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:25.679 a correlation, but it's more than It's not dependent on mind, 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:30.279 is not dependent on mind, can exist independently from a 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:36.440 function in physical brain. Facts say that, there's not wishful thinking. 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:41.440 Facts say that. And secondly, as we just said, and 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:46.360 perhaps this is an extension of the first truth, is 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:50.080 that we do survive physical death. When I say do, 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:54.359 I mean our mind, our personality, our memories. As we 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:58.520 just say, our affections do survive the demise of the 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:03.400 physical body. And people often ask me, where's the proof 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:09.600 of that? And if we had a superficial conversation, I 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:15.120 could point you to a number of elements of pieces 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:21.440 of evidence which in themselves are so strong, so undeniable, 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:26.640 that they would constitute proof in themselves. But if we're 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:30.280 having a truly serious conversation, if I were to defend 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:34.400 this in a court of justice, for instance, I would present, 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:40.280 I would make the argument that survival is supported. Let's say, 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:46.320 a rational belief in life after life is supported by 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:51.520 the collective weight of the evidence. There are, as I said, 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:56.600 individual pieces which are very very strong, but still when 0:07:56.680 --> 0:08:01.880 you consider the collective way of the evidence, about a 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:08.200 dozen field of investigation after life, communication, reincarnation studies, near 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:13.960 their studies, deathbed visions. There's about a dozen, and they 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:20.960 are coherent and consistent. They all point to the same truth, 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:26.320 the unbelievable truth that we don't die. As Sandra says, 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:30.960 So I'm not convinced by one thing. I've not been convinced, 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:35.800 as I said before, in one flash of insight or understanding. 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:41.520 For me, it's the accumulation of information. I like to 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:46.840 say that rational belief life after life is supported by 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:52.200 the knowledge and critical evaluation of facts. People have to 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:56.920 know and engage their own reason in say, as I 0:08:57.040 --> 0:09:00.360 do in twenty one Days, as I do in both 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:04.360 the workbook That You Have Love Knows No Death and 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:09.360 the new book Step into the Light. I engage the 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:15.120 reader's reason because that's the only way to really make 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:20.080 that step that transforms the pain of a loss and 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:25.360 transforms the fear of death. So let me take another 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:29.800 moment of your time and your listeners time to explain 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:33.439 a little bit where I come from. In my applied 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:40.800 psychical research or yes, applied after life studies stands. I 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:47.200 have studied cognitive behavior therapy, which is an evidence the 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:53.320 evidence based form of psychotherapy which is now the standard treatment, 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:58.720 particularly for depression and also for anxiety disorders. And the 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:03.960 premise of cognitive therapy is very simple. It's evidence based. 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:08.360 So again it's not a theory, a fancy theory like psychoanalysis, 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:13.880 is again facts, an evidence based The fact and evidence 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:20.560 say is that the way we feel depends entirely on 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:25.720 the way we think. If we have a stimulus, the 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:31.000 stimulus does not lead directly to an emotion. Before the 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:35.599 emotion is felt, you have to pass through an interpretation 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:40.080 of the stimulus. I give you very simple example. You're 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:43.760 asleep at night and you're walken up by a noise 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:49.559 in the adjacent room. That's the stimulus. It's the same 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:55.680 as a noise there're something crashing there. Your first thought 0:10:56.200 --> 0:11:01.080 is a burglar. As I entered the apartment, what's your emotion, 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:07.280 dear thank you? Your first thought is the cat has 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:11.959 knocked over the flower vase. What's your reaction, what's your emotion? 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:15.559 Could be upset, but I go back to sleep. 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:19.760 There you go. So the stimulus is the same, the 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:24.840 interpretation of the stimulus is different. The emotion that we 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:31.719 feel so strongly is completely different. So thoughts are fundamentally 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:38.240 important in determining our emotions and our well being in 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:42.440 the case of bereavement, in the case of a pain 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:46.840 of a loss, I am fond again I use this expression. 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:50.439 I am fond of saying that there's a part of 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:56.360 the pain which is quite simply unavoidable, Sanchra. That is 0:11:56.640 --> 0:12:00.520 who we are as human beings, and there's no pill, 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:05.560 there's no theory, there's no nothing that will take that away. 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:10.560 We are humans, were bound to have this, which is 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:16.440 possibly the most commonly shared experience. We'll lose somebody we love. 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:21.400 We're in pain. There's nothing to do. That part is incompressible, 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:25.240 it cannot be compressed. But there's another part of the 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:30.280 pain which is avoidable and unnecessary. 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:33.280 Doctor Parasiti, I think this is a good time for 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:35.480 the break because I know you have a lot more 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:39.320 to say on this. My friends who want to check 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:43.040 out his website. You can find out more about doctor 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:51.000 Piero Kelvi Parasti at d Rparasti dot com, d R 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:56.120 p A r I s E t TI dot com. 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:58.480 So let's go to the break and then we'll be back. 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:02.480 You're listening to Aids of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:31.240 in Coast to Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:34.480 to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and we 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:39.040 are with doctor Piero Parasetti, who had a great example 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:44.199 about our thoughts control our emotions. And doctor Paracetti, you 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:48.320 were just talking about grief. The pain is unavoidable, but 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:51.800 that there is a part that is avoidable. Could you 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:53.000 pick up where you left off. 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:58.880 There's another part of the pain which is avoidable and unnecessary. 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:05.199 That part of the pain comes from a thought. And 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:11.000 the thought is my loved one has vanished. My loved 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:16.600 one has disappeared into a black nothingness. It existed and 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:21.360 now it doesn't exist anymore. Has a very painful thought. 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:27.080 It generates an unspeakable really I mean pain and suffering 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:33.120 and it is simply not true. So like in cognitive therapy, 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:39.240 cognitive therapy it teaches you to recognize these automatic negative 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:45.280 thoughts that supports depression, and not to go all the 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:49.240 way to positive thinking. Yeah I'm the best, because that's fake. 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:55.800 That's equally fake. It simply rebalances and reformulate the thought 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:59.440 in a more realistic way. The same thing can be 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:05.320 done with thoughts about death. Right. So this is very 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:09.080 helpful for people who have lost a loved one. And 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:15.160 here I come to the latest book. I am surprised, 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:19.720 pleasantly surprised at myself, I must say, because I've researched 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:23.880 and written a whole book during lockdown. You say, aha, 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:27.520 easy enough, you've got nothing else to do. True, I 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:33.600 make no mystery. I had a relatively major depressive episode, 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:38.680 very strongly linked with the limitations and the fact of being, 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:42.200 you know, the lockdown and all these things. And you know, 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:45.480 we've all suffered in our own ways, and my way 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:50.480 of suffering was through depression, out of which I'm very 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:53.960 glad to say I'm out. But I suffered quite a 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:58.800 bit despite that. Since I'm a good soldier, I managed 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:03.560 to research and write a whole book. Is a very 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:09.080 serious book, and it's directed specifically at those in fear 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:13.800 of death their own death or the death of a 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:20.040 loved one. And here again I want you and our friends, 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:25.280 our listeners to put ourselves in. A situation is possibly 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:29.000 one of the worst situations we can think. We don't 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:32.800 really want to think of that possibility. Let's say that 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:36.800 will never happen to us. But if you were to happen, 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:41.160 if we were to find ourselves with a terminal disease, 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:46.480 or at least the diagnosis of a terminal disease, that 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:51.440 is bad enough a situation, isn't it. There is like 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:55.479 for the believed person, there's a part of the suffering 0:16:55.640 --> 0:17:00.200 of that situation which unfortunately is not me. Is not 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:06.800 nothing will take that away. It's the discomfort in certain cases, unfortunately, 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:14.639 is the actual pain. Really is a difficult situation made worse, 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:22.160 unnecessarily worse by the fear by the terror of an 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:28.159 a highlation, the fear of ceasing to exist. I exist now, 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:33.160 and I will not exist anymore. I have experiences now, 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:38.679 This is really what we treasure. I have experiences now, 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:42.080 and then it will be a black curtain and I 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:48.080 will not experience anything anymore. Well, that thought is false. 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:52.639 That thought is not supported to evidence. And this is 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:57.800 a beautiful truth. So unfortunately I cannot do anything for 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:01.480 the pain and the suffering of God going through you know, 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:07.919 the serious a fatal degenerative disease or a cancer or 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:12.800 whatever it is. But I can't do a lot to 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:16.800 take away that unnecessary pain. And what I do is 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:21.800 that I explain, can I go on a moment because 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:25.240 I mean, I'm really ah. 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:27.520 As much time as you. 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:30.600 Like, you're so kind, I mean my elements because I'm 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:36.119 passionate about these things. These things are not only intellectually interesting, 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:40.280 and that's what attracts me. They have such a transformative 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:44.920 potential for people, and that's why I'm so enthusiastic. So 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:48.960 what I'm doing in step into the light is that 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:54.800 instead people okay, people are scared of dying, are scared 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:58.919 of not have a fear of not existing anymore, which is, 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:04.160 you know, a primordial fear we all have. People are 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:11.040 also curious to know what dying is like and if 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:14.919 indeed there is an afterlife that in itself is a 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:19.040 great is a great reason for hope and optimism. But 0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:24.480 what is that afterlife like? So in order to answer 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:29.119 those questions, one could have reviewed I don't know the 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:32.800 religious and beliefs around the world and what they say 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:38.320 about the afterlife or some philosophical stances on what an 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:42.920 afterlife might be. Well, I thought of taking a much 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:48.480 more pragmatic approach. Let's ask those who've been there, and 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:55.159 my sources of information are essentially three, one specific to 0:19:55.240 --> 0:20:00.199 the process of dying, and those are deathbed visions, an 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:07.440 end of life phenomenon. Then on what the afterlife may 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:12.439 or actually does look like. We have two other major 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:18.280 sources of information, which are near death experiencers and those 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:22.240 who have actually died and communicated to us from the 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:26.240 other side, the spirit communicators. So the first part of 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:32.320 the book is devoted to establishing the credibility of these sources. 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:38.880 Is it reasonable to trust the testimony from dbv's death 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:44.800 bad visions and the is near death experiences and spirit communication. 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:49.400 And I engage the reader in what I describe as 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:51.760 a bit of a detective work, like you know, a 0:20:51.840 --> 0:20:58.040 forensic like CSI business, because we look at what deathbed 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:03.920 visions and other end of life phenomena are, we look 0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:10.200 at all the alternative explanations for these beautiful, beautiful experiences 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:14.320 that many people have let me open apparenthesis here because 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:17.919 many people don't know, mind you. If you ask nurses 0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:21.520 or people working in hospices, they say, oh, of course, 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:24.679 we see this all the time. But then let me 0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:31.879 share this nippet of evidence. We know that about ten 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:38.840 percent of people are conscious at the moment of their passing. Okay, 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:46.960 of those two thirds, I mean a massive two birds 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:54.960 have deathbed visions. They are seen, They were semi comatos, 0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:57.719 and they lost all the faculties and they were just 0:21:57.840 --> 0:22:02.920 laying in bed and twelve twenty four thirty six hours 0:22:02.960 --> 0:22:08.760 before actually passing, they seem to wake up. Their demeanor 0:22:08.920 --> 0:22:13.520 changes completely, and they talk to people nobody else is 0:22:14.320 --> 0:22:18.320 not always somebody. Sometimes they are also seen, and those 0:22:18.359 --> 0:22:23.080 are the shared death experiences. But let's stay with DBVs 0:22:23.320 --> 0:22:27.359 and they say, oh, here's here's my mom, here's my brother, 0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:32.680 I mean diseased relatives who are constantly said to have 0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:38.080 come to take them over to facilitate the passing. And 0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:42.439 there's this is much more complex than that. And just 0:22:42.960 --> 0:22:47.880 you know, big paint brushes, right, So, deathbed visions and 0:22:48.880 --> 0:22:53.800 other end of life phenomena paint a very rosy picture 0:22:54.480 --> 0:22:59.399 of the moment of passing. Can we believe that or 0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:03.919 are we fooling ourselves. I don't want to be taken 0:23:04.000 --> 0:23:07.280 for it, right, I mean, as much as I'm happy 0:23:07.320 --> 0:23:10.600 to have this rational belief, and really, I mean for me, 0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:13.320 is a terror to be you know, to believe something 0:23:13.359 --> 0:23:16.919 that's false. Well, let's look at it. Let's look at 0:23:16.920 --> 0:23:23.000 the phenomenon. Let's look at what explanations have been attempted 0:23:23.240 --> 0:23:27.760 or tentatively proposed, and we see that none of the 0:23:28.359 --> 0:23:34.520 normal explanations can actually account for the clinical facts. So 0:23:34.560 --> 0:23:38.399 we establish the credibility of dbbs. Then we do the 0:23:38.440 --> 0:23:43.479 same for near death experiences. To quite some extent, step 0:23:43.520 --> 0:23:48.720 into the light is not daytime television. I'm sorry to say. 0:23:48.760 --> 0:23:51.080 I know that I'm cutting off a part of the 0:23:51.200 --> 0:23:56.320 potential readership. Here is not an academic text, but it 0:23:56.520 --> 0:24:01.480 requires some commitment. You have to engage with the evidence. 0:24:02.160 --> 0:24:07.040 If you want to arrive at a beautiful belief that 0:24:07.160 --> 0:24:11.000 can take away your fear of death, you have to 0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:14.760 engage with the evidence. So you have to understand that 0:24:15.040 --> 0:24:21.479 deathbed visions are credible, near death experiences are credible, and 0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:27.720 it is reasonable to trust what spirit communicators tell us. 0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:31.960 It is reasonable to believe that they are who or 0:24:32.040 --> 0:24:35.919 what they claim to be, and I mean it takes 0:24:36.000 --> 0:24:40.440 quite a few pages to get to the understanding. Once 0:24:41.400 --> 0:24:45.399 or I have, let's we together. Once we've established me 0:24:45.560 --> 0:24:50.320 and the reader the door sources of information are credible, 0:24:51.000 --> 0:24:54.640 then the second part of the book looks at what 0:24:54.920 --> 0:25:00.600 they actually say and what it was. Again, so interesting 0:25:01.080 --> 0:25:04.240 from the personal, the human point of view and from 0:25:04.280 --> 0:25:08.080 the intellectual point of view is to see that people 0:25:08.760 --> 0:25:15.960 from totally different traditions, backgrounds, cultures, previous religious beliefs or 0:25:16.000 --> 0:25:19.800 non beliefs, they essentially say the same things. 0:25:20.520 --> 0:25:22.800 Doctor Parasiti, Let's go to a quick break and then 0:25:23.320 --> 0:25:25.639 you can pick up where you left off. You're listening 0:25:25.680 --> 0:25:29.320 to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast 0:25:29.320 --> 0:25:53.199 to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades 0:25:53.240 --> 0:25:57.000 of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and we are here 0:25:57.040 --> 0:26:01.240 with doctor Piero Parasiti, author of Step into the Light. 0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:06.600 Transform your fear of death by learning about life after life. 0:26:06.960 --> 0:26:15.400 Let's continue, people from totally different traditions, backgrounds, cultures, previous 0:26:15.520 --> 0:26:20.639 religious beliefs or non beliefs, they essentially say the same things. 0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:25.119 We know that from near death experiences. But it's amazing 0:26:25.240 --> 0:26:29.200 to see the same thing coming from deathbed visions and 0:26:30.040 --> 0:26:38.000 from spirit communication, and even more intriguing, many of the 0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:41.679 things they say concerning the afterlife and what happens to 0:26:41.760 --> 0:26:45.480 us are in direct contrasts to what is said by 0:26:45.600 --> 0:26:51.600 established religions, and that for me is a further element 0:26:51.880 --> 0:26:56.560 that indicates that their real sources, because they are relating 0:26:56.800 --> 0:27:02.199 not what you would expect their belief, they are relating 0:27:02.440 --> 0:27:07.560 an actual experience. So that's what Step into the Light 0:27:08.440 --> 0:27:10.200 is all about. 0:27:11.119 --> 0:27:15.320 And in the big picture, after reading it and not 0:27:15.400 --> 0:27:18.040 just reading it, but I think everyone has to go 0:27:18.080 --> 0:27:21.080 on this journey for themselves. And it's great to believe 0:27:21.119 --> 0:27:24.359 what other people say, but we need to experience it 0:27:24.480 --> 0:27:28.840 for ourselves to really get it, to really embrace the truth. 0:27:29.280 --> 0:27:32.320 But what do you see possible? I mean, it's not 0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:35.440 only just not having a fear of death, that's possible. 0:27:36.040 --> 0:27:38.120 What's possible with how people live life? 0:27:38.840 --> 0:27:40.160 Shorry, what's possible to say? 0:27:40.520 --> 0:27:45.200 How can people live life differently with having this information? 0:27:46.280 --> 0:27:51.320 Live in if live in a meter off the ground, 0:27:53.359 --> 0:27:57.960 if you got sorry, this came out of somewhere, But really, 0:27:58.520 --> 0:28:04.879 when you realize that this all important life that we 0:28:05.000 --> 0:28:07.359 think is the only way people say, oh, life is 0:28:07.400 --> 0:28:11.400 too short and it's the only one we have, et cetera. Well, 0:28:11.600 --> 0:28:18.679 actually not, actually not, Life is much grander than we 0:28:18.760 --> 0:28:23.919 can possibly think. And I mean, if really you spoke 0:28:23.960 --> 0:28:27.480 about the greatest scheme of things here, I'm really thinking 0:28:27.520 --> 0:28:31.520 of the greatest, greatest, greatest scheme of things. And I mean, 0:28:33.560 --> 0:28:38.040 and we do draw that conclusion funnily enough at the 0:28:38.080 --> 0:28:44.520 beginning and at the end of the book. Life exists 0:28:46.080 --> 0:28:53.040 at various different levels Earth or whatever material world we 0:28:53.200 --> 0:28:58.880 happen to be living, and at certain stages is one 0:28:59.160 --> 0:29:05.120 of those levels. There are other levels which we visit, 0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:12.920 apparently reportedly in a cyclical fashion. It seems, it appears 0:29:13.320 --> 0:29:18.120 we can conclude all these expressions. We can conclude that 0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:25.080 life is formed, or consists of, rather a series of cycles, 0:29:25.120 --> 0:29:33.240 including an earthly or otherwise material incarnation, followed by sojourns 0:29:33.280 --> 0:29:39.520 in various levels of the spiritual realms. There's not one afterlife. 0:29:39.640 --> 0:29:43.240 There are many, and there are often even in traditional 0:29:43.400 --> 0:29:46.959 spiritual traditions that you know they speak about the seven 0:29:47.120 --> 0:29:53.800 heavens and everything. There are concentric spheres if you want, 0:29:54.800 --> 0:29:59.400 or different levels, the material level being the what I 0:29:59.440 --> 0:30:05.000 say it is low, but it's not judgmental. It happens 0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:09.240 to be the more solid, the more material, and then 0:30:09.520 --> 0:30:13.120 you move when when you shed the physical body, you 0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:20.600 move into or through progressively more refined, more spiritual, less 0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:26.400 material planes of existence. But it is always existence. It's 0:30:26.400 --> 0:30:31.640 the same existence we are experiencing. Now. We exist in 0:30:31.680 --> 0:30:36.880 a non material world, and then we do reincarnate. That's 0:30:36.880 --> 0:30:41.760 the only conclusion we can draw from testimony and from evidence. 0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:45.680 And this happens how many times. I don't know how 0:30:45.680 --> 0:30:49.680 many angels can dance on a pin head, I don't know, 0:30:49.800 --> 0:30:54.320 but I would say many times. And we go through 0:30:54.360 --> 0:31:01.000 the cycle of earthly incarnation and life in the different spheres, 0:31:01.200 --> 0:31:05.520 so to speak, of the spirit world. But this is 0:31:05.600 --> 0:31:09.400 not like we're not on the same level. This is 0:31:09.440 --> 0:31:13.719 not a flat process. This is an upward process. I 0:31:13.760 --> 0:31:19.640 see it as a spiral going up. Because the meaning, 0:31:20.680 --> 0:31:27.000 the final, the quintessential, the fundamental meaning of existence is 0:31:27.080 --> 0:31:35.239 making experiences, is experiencing the very fact of experiences. And 0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:42.800 these experiences accumulate, They contribute to wisdom, to the age 0:31:43.360 --> 0:31:48.040 of our personality, of our soul, to the point that 0:31:49.120 --> 0:31:54.160 at some stage, when we've accumulated enough experiences through many 0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:59.000 of these cycles. Then when it's time to go back 0:31:59.040 --> 0:32:04.600 and drinkernate, well not anymore. Then we do finally merge 0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:13.080 into this unity fundamental consciousness. Call it God if you 0:32:13.160 --> 0:32:16.320 want to be religious, if you want to call it 0:32:16.640 --> 0:32:21.800 with a religious term, I'd rather call it cosmic consciousness 0:32:22.040 --> 0:32:26.360 or the ultimate nature of reality. And here I speak personally. 0:32:26.640 --> 0:32:30.720 I'm not speaking about evidence or facts anymore. That's my 0:32:30.920 --> 0:32:37.000 personal convictions. After studying these things for many years, after yeah, 0:32:37.440 --> 0:32:43.000 reflecting and thinking, I became convinced that the ultimate nature 0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:49.959 of reality is not matter, is consciousness. Consciousness creates matter, 0:32:50.280 --> 0:32:53.160 and not all the way around. I know this is difficult, 0:32:53.240 --> 0:32:56.880 but I love it. That's what I believe with you, 0:32:57.560 --> 0:33:00.240 and there are and there are very very, very very 0:33:00.280 --> 0:33:04.520 strong arguments that can be made for that, okay. And 0:33:05.160 --> 0:33:08.960 if that is true, that is perfectly consistent with what 0:33:09.120 --> 0:33:13.480