1 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:12,239 Speaker 1: Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from iHeartRadio. Hey there, 2 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland. 3 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,959 Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer with iHeartRadio and how the tech 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: are you? So? For the last several years, I've been 5 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: playing a game that's a computer game that's been an 6 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: alpha build for like nearly a decade. In fact, the 7 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: first build was released in twenty thirteen, and the developers 8 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: still give the game the alpha designation and it's still 9 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: in the alpha build. It hasn't even entered beta testing yet. 10 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: This is the survival crafting game the zombie game called 11 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,959 Speaker 1: Seven Days to Die, So, as you would imagine, you're 12 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: a survivor in a zombie apocalypse and you have to 13 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 1: cobble together a way to survive and perhaps even thrive 14 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: in a world where every seven days, hordes of zombies 15 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: run straight at you, no matter where you're high. They 16 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: know exactly where you are, and they move super fast 17 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: to come and get you anyway. One of the important 18 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: things in that game is that there are vending machines 19 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: where you can purchase food and drinks and medications that 20 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: will help you survive. I have no idea who in 21 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 1: the game is restocking all those vending machines. I mean, 22 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 1: some of them are located where there are traders, like 23 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: as in people who trade, but there are other vending machines. 24 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: You'll just find random buildings and they still seem to 25 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 1: have a stock and they work. So that's kind of interesting. 26 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: But it got me to thinking I should do an 27 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: episode about sort of the history of vending machines. They 28 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: have been around for a really long time, and it's 29 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: a clever way to offer a scaled down shopping experience 30 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: without having to mind the store all day. You can 31 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: even design your machine in such a way that it 32 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: attracts people and acts like a salesperson and you don't 33 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: have to pay them. So today we're going to talk 34 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: about the history and a little bit about the technology 35 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: of vending machines, and that history stretches back further than 36 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 1: you might think, unless you've looked into this before, in 37 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 1: which case you know where I'm going. So you might 38 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: think about visions of like automats in the nineteen fifties, 39 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: and you know old cigarette machines prior to nineteen ninety 40 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: seven here in the United States, where they were made 41 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: illegal out of the concern that you know, people under 42 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: age could just purchase cigarettes by putting enough money in 43 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: there and pulling a lever. But we actually have to 44 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: go much further back, all the way back to the 45 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: first century of the common era in Egypt, specifically in 46 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: the city Alexandria. So in that city was a dude 47 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: named Hero or Huron sometimes. But Hero was kind of 48 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: a tinkerer and a thinker. He was an engineer and 49 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: an inventor. He experimented with all sorts of clever and 50 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: sometimes danger devices, and among his gadgets and gizmos of 51 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: plenty was the very first vending machine that we are 52 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: aware of. I mean, maybe someone made one before Hero did, 53 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: but this is the first one on record, because who knows. 54 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: People didn't write everything down. But Hero's invention is one 55 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: that we do know of what. We don't know whether 56 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: or not he actually ever built it, but we know 57 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: he designed it. And it was a pretty simple idea 58 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: when you get down to it. Now. When one would 59 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: go and visit a holy temple back in those days, 60 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: one was expected to wash one's hands in holy water, 61 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: and Hero came up with a way to dispense holy 62 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: water while also earning money for the temple. He designed 63 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: a holy water dispenser, a holy water vending machine. That 64 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: is a wild thing to say, but here's how it worked. 65 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: The dispenser, which looked kind of like a big urn 66 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: in the drawings I've seen, had a spiggot that was 67 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: toward the bottom, so that's obviously where the water would 68 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: come out, and the dispenser would obviously hold the holy 69 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: water inside it. There was a valve on the inside 70 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: of this device that, when it was shut, would keep 71 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: the spigot closed, and if the worshiper were to PLoP 72 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 1: a coin into a slot in the top of the machine, 73 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: the coin would fall inside the machine and it would 74 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: land on a pan that was near the coin slot. 75 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: That pan was actually at the other end of a lever. 76 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:38,679 Speaker 1: This lever would then be attached to a pivot point, 77 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: and on the other side of the pivot point the fulcrum. 78 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: In other words, on the other side of the fulcrum, 79 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: it had a connection to that valve. So if you 80 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: were to press down on the pan inside this machine, 81 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: it would cause the lever on the valve side to 82 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,799 Speaker 1: go up and thus open the valve and allow water 83 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: to flow through the spigot. The weight of the coin 84 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: was all it would take. The coin would hit this pan. 85 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: That would add weight to the pan. The pan would 86 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 1: start to tilt downward, the valve side would go up, 87 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: water would come out. Now, Hero actually was fairly clever, 88 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 1: Not just fairly, he was extremely clever on how much 89 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: water would actually dribble out per coin, Like, how do 90 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: you keep that to a specific amount or at least 91 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: a general amount. Well, the weight of the coin would 92 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: be enough for the pan to start going down, but 93 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: it would just keep going down until it would reach 94 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: a steep enough angle where the coin would slide off 95 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: the pan and land in another little coin bucket that's 96 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: inside this urn, you know, presumably held above the the 97 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: container of water. Now with a coin slid free of 98 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: the pan, now the pan's no longer heavy enough to 99 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: hold down the lever. It tilts back up. The valve 100 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: side comes down, which means the valve closes again and 101 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: it shuts off the water. Your water dispensation is complete. 102 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: You now have the holy water needed to wash your 103 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: hands and go and you know, worship whichever god the 104 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 1: temple was devoted to. Again, I don't know if Hero 105 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: ever actually built this device, but he definitely described it. 106 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: He had a work that loosely translated means mechanics and optics, 107 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 1: and he described it within that work, and there's no 108 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: reason it couldn't work. There's no reason he couldn't have 109 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: built it. It was based off of very simple mechanism. 110 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: Now you would have to get the weights just right 111 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: for the lever and to minimize the chance of a coin, 112 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: you know, just hitting the pan and rolling off and 113 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: then nothing happens, although I guess you could always blame 114 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: it on the fickle gods at that point. There also 115 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: would have been no way for the machine to differentiate 116 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: coins or exactly what had pressed down on that plate. So, 117 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: in other words, if you were to somehow fit something 118 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: that could go into that slot and push down on 119 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: that pan, then you could get your holy water and 120 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: not spend a coin doing it. So you could use 121 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: like a dummy coin, you know, the old slug routine, 122 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: as they would call it, a slug to represent a coin, 123 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: and you could get a blast of holy water for free. 124 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,679 Speaker 1: Although that doesn't seem like it's really keeping in spirit 125 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: with the purpose of the machine. But you know, it's 126 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: also weird to make holy water dispensation a transactional process 127 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: in the first place. If you ask me, I don't know. 128 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: I'm not very religious, so it's hard for me to 129 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: even say. Anyway, as a design, Hero's machine was pretty 130 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: darn neat. It might not have been too practical, however, 131 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: because coins were not uniform in weight or roundness. They 132 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: were not even in broad circulation at the time, so 133 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: it wasn't even necessarily likely that the worshippers would even 134 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: have coins on them. But it does show Hero's ingenuity, 135 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: and it would be the for vending machines. It's just 136 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: that it would take some time before you would get 137 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: to another one. So we enter into a bit of 138 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: a dry spell, not just because we're no longer talking 139 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: about holy water. It's not like Hero came up with 140 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: this invention and then next thing you know, you know, 141 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: you had vending machines throughout the ancient and medieval world 142 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: that would to spend stuff like garum and olive, zenda 143 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: and hummus and you know, chainmail, like you didn't have 144 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: those all over the place. It would take more than 145 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: a thousand years actually, before we would start getting into 146 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: descriptions of devices that we might group together in the 147 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: family of vending machines. So next up, based on lots 148 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: of different accounts. By the way, it's really hard to 149 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: track down good, definitive sources for this. There are a 150 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: lot of sources that all echo the same points, but 151 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: it feels like they're all kind of drawing from each 152 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: other as opposed to, you know, finding a really good 153 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: historian who has really done the work here. But there 154 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: are historical accounts in various documents and things like patent filings, 155 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: that kind of thing where we can trace sort of 156 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: a development. But the next one is one that's a 157 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: little it's not quite a vending machine as we would 158 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: think of it. It's not like it's fully automated. And 159 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 1: also it was portable. And another thing that's interesting is 160 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:30,719 Speaker 1: that our first vending machine dispensed holy water, so it's 161 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: only fitting that the second vending machine dispenses tobacco. It's snuff. 162 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: So at this point we're in England and we're in 163 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: the sixteen hundreds, so seventeenth century, and there were these 164 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: devices that some pubs had that were known as honesty boxes, 165 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: and this would be in jolly Old England, and patrons 166 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: of this pub could purchase a pinch of snuff or tobacco, 167 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: and what they would do is they would flag down 168 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: a bartender or server who would bring around this, you know, 169 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: a fairly sizable brass box. The top of the box 170 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: was a pair of hinged lids, so think of like 171 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: a hinge in the center and either end of the 172 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: box opens for half of the box. So you had 173 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: two compartments inside the box, one under each lid. So 174 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: one compartment would serve as the coin receptacle, which would 175 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: be locked in place. Obviously, you don't want patrons getting 176 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: into that and getting their grubby little hands and all 177 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: the coins you've been selecting. The other box was what 178 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: would now hold the tobacco. So on top of these 179 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 1: boxes there would be a coin slot and a plunger, 180 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: so you would put a haypenny a halfpenny in the slot, 181 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: and when you push the plunger down, that would allow 182 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,239 Speaker 1: the coin to slide into the box, into the receptacle, 183 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: and at the same time that also allowed a mechanism 184 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:02,119 Speaker 1: inside the box to shift and unlatch the hinged lid 185 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: that was on top of the tobacco or snuff or whatever. 186 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: So you put a coin in, you push the plunger 187 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: down and then the side with the tobacco in it 188 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: unlatches and the little lid pops up, so you can 189 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: take a pinch of tobacco or snuff, only a pinch. 190 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: That's what you were supposed to do. That's why they 191 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: were called honesty boxes, so it was kind of on 192 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: the honor system, although you would also typically have like 193 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: a bartender or server watching your every move to make 194 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: sure you weren't like stealing all the tobacco for just 195 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: a haypenny. And then once done, the bar employee would 196 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: push down on the lid on the tobacco side and 197 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: it would latch back into place and it be ready 198 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: for the next coin. Like Heroes Invention, this one was 199 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: purely mechanical, and y'all, it took me a while to 200 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: search around and find information on one of these. There 201 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: are a lot of sources that mention them, but again 202 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: they're all pretty much the same. However, I did track 203 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: down and antiques site that actually had some examples of 204 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: honesty boxes and including photographs of them, so I could 205 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: actually take a good look at pictures of these things. 206 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: So I can't go into great detail about the mechanisms 207 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: because it wasn't like they were detailing that, but I 208 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: get the general idea that pushing down that plunger and 209 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: allowing the coin to go through activated the mechanism that 210 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: unlatched the other lid, and without a coin, the plunger 211 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: would not go down all the way, so it would 212 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: keep the tobaccos safe from unsavory types who were just 213 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: pretending to put a haypenny in. Okay, we're going to 214 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: take a quick break. When we come back, I'm going 215 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: to talk about a trouble maker and a free thinker 216 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: and a radical who believed, get this, that all human 217 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: beings should have the same rights, and why he's associated 218 00:12:50,320 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 1: with vending machines. But first, let's take a quick break. Okay, 219 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 1: I promised y'all the story of a radical, someone who 220 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: thought that everyone should have the same rights, whether they 221 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: happened to be male or female. I assume back in 222 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: those days that he did not recognize the concept of 223 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 1: non binary, but still for the time, it was rather 224 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 1: radical and for the place as well. We are talking 225 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: about Robert Carlyle c R L I L E. Because 226 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 1: I don't want you to get him mixed up with 227 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: the character who is in Downton Abbey as a very 228 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: different character, although both of them were in the print business. Anyway, 229 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: English authorities viewed Robert Carlyle as being dangerous or at 230 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: the very least a real nuisance, a thorn in their side. 231 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: And that's because, like I said, Carlisle was promoting these 232 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: dangerous ideas like women are human beings and therefore they 233 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: should have the same rights the men do, or that 234 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 1: the average poor person has just as many rights as 235 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,959 Speaker 1: someone of the English nobility. These were not the sorts 236 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: of ideas and philosophies that the English authorities cared for, 237 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: but they are the ones that Carlisle believed in. And 238 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: he opened a bookshop that sold books and pamphlets about 239 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: these things and kind of spread and promoted these ideas 240 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: that the English government viewed as radical. So the government 241 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: was not keen on this at all, and they had 242 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: put into place some rather restrictive censorship laws. So if 243 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: you were found selling books about you know, this illegal 244 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: material and promoted these ideas that the government found distasteful 245 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: and disruptive, then you could be investigated and carted off 246 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: to jail. And Carlisle actually did get carted off to 247 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: jail a couple of times. His wife did too, in fact, 248 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: because she took up his cause while her husband was 249 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: in prison. That this meant that their baby spent some 250 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: time in the houscal because she was pregnant when she 251 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: was arrested, and then delivered her baby while in prison. 252 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: So Yauza. So Carlisle thought he had come up with 253 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: a fairly clever workaround for these British censorship laws that said, 254 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: you know, it was illegal to sell this material to customers. 255 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: I don't know that the material itself was illegal, but 256 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: the act of selling it was. So he commissioned a 257 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: machine that would dispense books, a book vending machine. I 258 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: wish I could tell you how this machine worked, but 259 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: I could not dig up a description of the actual mechanisms, 260 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: if in fact there were any, But I do know 261 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: it worked from the point of the view of the customer. 262 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: So the idea is that you would walk up to 263 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: this machine, and the machine had a face on it, 264 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: kind of like a clock face with a dial in 265 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: the center as opposed to you know, hands of a clock, 266 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: and around the clockface would be titles of banned books, 267 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: and you could then turn the dial to the title 268 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: of the work that you were interested in. You would 269 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: PLoP in the appropriate coins into the coin slot, and 270 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: the machine would release a copy of the illegal material 271 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: into your hot little hands. And no human had actually 272 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: overseen the transaction, so thought Carlyle he had a loophole. 273 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: No one had actually sold the illegal material. It was 274 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: dispensed by a machine. The British authorities weren't having any 275 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: of it. While the history of English law has no 276 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: shortage of examples where someone was, on a technicality, able 277 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: to prove that they had only violated the spirit but 278 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: not the letter of the law, in Carlisle's case that 279 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: ended up being a non starter. The authorities agreed that 280 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: no human had sold the book at the moment of exchange, 281 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: but they still would hold whomever loaded the machine with 282 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: copies of the works responsible for the sale. Carlisle didn't 283 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: give up on his support for freedom of the press 284 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: and equal rights, but he would pay for it time 285 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: and again with various stints in jail. And there's also, 286 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 1: you know, so little information on Carlisle's machine other than 287 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 1: the fact that it existed, that it's entirely possible it 288 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 1: was not automated at all. Instead, I mean, it's possible 289 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: it could have been essentially a mechanical turk. You might 290 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: remember the story of the mechanical Turk. A clever inventor 291 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: slash magician created this device that looked like it was 292 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: an automaton, but in fact was a gadget that was 293 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 1: puppeteered by someone who was hiding inside the workings of 294 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: the machine but was hidden from view, and so in 295 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: fact it wasn't an automated machine at all. It was 296 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 1: something that was under the control of a person. It's 297 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: possible that the same thing was going on with Carlisle's 298 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: quote unquote machine. That maybe there was just an employee 299 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 1: who paid attention to the dials setting and then upon 300 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: receiving the money, would just slide a book down a chute, 301 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: and so it was just the appearance of a vending machine. 302 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: That's possible. I don't know the answer one way or 303 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: the other. All that being said, if you were to 304 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: flip ahead a century or so, because this was happening 305 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 1: in the in the nineteenth century, the mid nineteenth century 306 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: with Carlisle's book, that's how late those censorship laws were 307 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: taking effect. Well, if you were to go to the 308 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 1: twentieth century, then into the twenty first century, you would 309 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: find the biblio Matt. This is a vending machine, a 310 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 1: book vending machine that you can find in a bookstore 311 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: that's in Toronto, Canada. The bookstore is called the Monkey's 312 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 1: Paw and for the princely sum of a touney. A 313 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: toney is a two dollars Canadian coin. You can PLoP 314 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: a tuney in and out will come one of as 315 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 1: the machine proclaims, one hundred and twelve million titles, which 316 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: is very clever. Obviously, whatever is going to come out 317 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: is what has been loaded into the machine for that day. 318 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: But you know the joke being it could be anything 319 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 1: out of any of the books that have been published. 320 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: So what actually comes out is not up to you. 321 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 1: You don't get to choose. You just get whatever is next. 322 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: So you could end up with a really odd book. 323 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 1: You could end up with a rare edition of a book. 324 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: Some cases, maybe it's a biography about Lawrence Welk. The 325 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 1: owner of the shop loads the machine up with all 326 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 1: sorts of odds and ends. There's actually a great little 327 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 1: video on Vimeo showing the bibliomat in action. The added 328 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,719 Speaker 1: bonus is that It also has Tom Waits's song Step 329 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: Right Up as part of the soundtrack, which is awesome. 330 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: The device itself is really clever. When it's activatd some 331 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: shelves inside the machine that are on a little pulley 332 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: system will move, so they get lifted up into place, 333 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:12,959 Speaker 1: and in the process the shelves they can tilt, so 334 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: when they're pulled up far enough, the lip of the 335 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: shelf will catch in the machine and it will start 336 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: to tilt, and it tilts enough so that whatever volume 337 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: is on top will slide off and go down the 338 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,679 Speaker 1: chute to the receptacle where the customer can pick up 339 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: and see whatever book it was that they just purchased. 340 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: I love this idea. By the way, there are also 341 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 1: other really clever vending machines or repurposed vending machines that 342 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:44,360 Speaker 1: dispense stuff like art and literature, and I love it 343 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 1: to me. It's one of those brilliant uses of technology. 344 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: It's a bit of a curiosity, but it leads to 345 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 1: delight and I think that's phenomenal. I'll talk about another 346 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 1: one before we get to the end of this episode, 347 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: but moving on, so now we're up to eighteen fifty 348 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: and we see another Englishman, this one named Simeon Denham, 349 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: who filed a patent for a device that he created 350 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: that was intended to dispense postage stamps. Denham's idea was 351 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: to locate these machines in places that had a lot 352 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:19,439 Speaker 1: of foot traffic, like train stations, but were not necessarily 353 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: convenient to a post office, so you could easily buy 354 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 1: a stamp when you were near one of these machines, 355 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: not that different from the postage stamp machines that we 356 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: see today. In May of eighteen fifty eight, the newspaper 357 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:36,479 Speaker 1: The Times published an article describing Denham's device, saying, quote, 358 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,199 Speaker 1: the instrument was intended for the delivery of postage or 359 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: other stamps singly to purchasers, so as to dispense, what 360 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: with the attendance of an official for this purpose at 361 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 1: post offices. A penny being put into a hole near 362 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 1: the top unlocks the instrument and allows a handle to 363 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 1: be used in such an extent as to protrude from 364 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: between two rollers a single stamp, which the purchaser tears off. 365 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,479 Speaker 1: One stamp only can be had at a time, and 366 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: a haypenny or smaller coin is rejected pretty clever doesn't 367 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 1: go into the actual mechanics. Again. That is one of 368 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,239 Speaker 1: the issues with a lot of these stories is that 369 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: you just hear that they were made, or at least 370 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: were designed, but you don't get a whole lot of 371 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: detail about the actual systems that were being used at 372 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: that point. This one, at least we got the rollers, 373 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: which makes sense, Like the rollers put pressure and when 374 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: they move together extend a stamp. By controlling how far 375 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 1: the rollers can turn, you can make sure that it 376 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: only allows you access to a single stamp for the 377 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: amount of money you put in. Thus, so you can 378 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: control how many units the customer can get. That stuff 379 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: all makes sense, but it's the barest of details, right. Apparently, 380 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: the patent awarded to Denim is number seven hundred and six. 381 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 1: I tried to track it down so I could get 382 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: a better idea the working mechanism. All I could really 383 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 1: find were records where the patent would be stored in 384 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: physical form, and I'm not in England, so I can't 385 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: just pop over to the the respective library and dig 386 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: it up. According to several sources, Denim secured a provisional 387 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,959 Speaker 1: patent but never pursued a full patent, so it is 388 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: also it's possible that this version of the vending machine 389 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: never got beyond the hey, you know what would be 390 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: a really good idea phase of invention that is more 391 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: common than I would care for. By the eighteen eighties, 392 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: things had gone beyond just good ideas, and engineers in 393 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: places like Germany and England began create creating actual early 394 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: vending machines. One in England created a vending machine designed 395 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: to either dispense envelopes and stamps, or you could choose 396 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 1: to purchase an already stamped postcard. In America, a guy 397 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 1: named W. H. Freud if r u E N file 398 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: the patent for a device that, upon insertion of a coin, 399 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: would dispense some mineral water. I did look over that patent, 400 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: I could actually find that one, and I'm left with 401 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 1: a feeling that it's not that different from Hero of 402 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: Alexandria's old Holy water dispenser. It's a little more complicated, 403 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,199 Speaker 1: actually a lot more complicated. They're more moving parts and stuff, 404 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: but the basic idea is essentially the same that by 405 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: putting coins into the machine, you end up changing the 406 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: device so that or you make changes in the device 407 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: so that a valve opens up and liquid dispenses out, 408 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 1: in this case mineral water. Also. Freud's version of this 409 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: was to design the dispenser in such a way that 410 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: it looked like a like a brownstone building. It looked 411 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: like a building. It didn't look like, you know, a 412 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: tank or anything like that, although there was obviously a 413 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: tank inside the device I used to hold the mineral water. 414 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 1: But yeah, it was a weird looking thing. I recommend 415 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,479 Speaker 1: checking it out if you get a chance to do 416 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: a search on w H. Freud, fr u E N 417 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: and mineral water vending machine. It's a cool patent. Okay, 418 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: we are now on the precipice of the true age 419 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: of vending machines. We're going to take another quick break. 420 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: When we come back, i'll talk about the explosion of 421 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: creativity that would follow in the late eighteen hundreds and 422 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 1: into the twentieth century. We're back, and as I said 423 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 1: just before the break, the real dawning of the vending 424 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: machine age can be traced to eighteen eighty eight and 425 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 1: the two D fruity machine. Yep, too dy fruity a 426 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: wamp bomp aloo bomp a womp bamboom so tooty fruity 427 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 1: references chewing gum. That's a fruity flavor of chewing gum 428 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: that was being sold primarily in the northeastern United States. 429 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: And there was this guy named Thomas Adams who invented 430 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: a flavor of chewing gum called two D Fruity. He 431 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 1: also did a spearmint, blackjack clove flavored chewing gums. But 432 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: he also patented and created a two D Fruity gum machine. 433 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 1: And it had a coin slot, and it had a 434 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 1: shelf for the product to land in, and had two levers, 435 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: so when you would put a coin in the slot 436 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 1: and press the levers down, it activated the mechanism inside 437 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: which would allow a piece of gum to fall down 438 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: a chute and land in the little dispenser shelf for 439 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: someone to pick up. They were not terribly reliable, according 440 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 1: to to contemporary reports that they were often not working properly. 441 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: You know, sometimes someone would shove something into a coin 442 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: slot that gummed it up for everyone, or just got jammed, 443 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 1: or it was empty, but there was no way of 444 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: telling it was empty until after you had put a 445 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: coin in and pushed believers down, and then there's no 446 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: way to get your coin back, So they definitely had issues, 447 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: but according to at least some reports, they were pretty 448 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: darn popular. He put a lot of vending machines on 449 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 1: places like along the New York City subway system, along 450 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 1: the platforms for the subways, and so people would get 451 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,360 Speaker 1: to the subway, they'd be waiting on a train, and 452 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: meanwhile there'd be this little machine where they could get 453 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,919 Speaker 1: a nice tasty piece of two D fruity gum for 454 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 1: just a penny, and it wasn't socially inacceptable to chew gum, 455 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: so you could actually do that and help pass some time. Yeah, 456 00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 1: it turned out that would be a real foot hold 457 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: for vending machines, and yeah, it got to a point 458 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: where it inspired a lot of other shop owners to 459 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: do something similar. A lot of the early innovation were 460 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: in things like how to make sure that you had 461 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: the right coins being used, because once you get past 462 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 1: the penny slot type stuff, you know, if you're talking 463 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: about things that cost more than a penny, like it's 464 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: maybe ten cents or five cents, then figuring out ways 465 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: to accept different kinds of coins would become part of 466 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: the challenge. And there were lots of interesting mechanical systems here, 467 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: because remember this is before we get into electronics, and 468 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: those mechanical systems would include things like you know, like 469 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: a ratchet gear which can turn in one direction, but 470 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: because of a poll, cannot turn the other way. This 471 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: is that clicking noise you hear when you use like 472 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: an old school gum machine, like a gumball machine, you 473 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: put a coin in, you start turning. You hear that 474 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: click click, click, click click noise. That's the poll clicking 475 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: against the ratchet. It is the ratchet is angled in 476 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: such a way where you can turn the handle one way, 477 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: like clockwise from your perspective, but you can't turn it 478 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: the opposite direction. It prevents it from going back the 479 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: other way. Or building a machine that relies on gravity. 480 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: Gumball machines are another good example. Like don't make it 481 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: more complicated that it needs to be. Use the physical 482 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: laws to your advantage, where nature herself is replenishing the 483 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: supply for the next piece available. So like in a 484 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: candy bar machine, that'd be a stack of candy bars 485 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: in it, and activating the device would allow what candy 486 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: bar to slide through, but it also would mean that 487 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: gravity would pull everything else down, So that the next 488 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: candy bar is in position for whomever uses the machine next. 489 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: Really really clever stuff to like minimize the amount of 490 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: mechanics that you need for making one of these machines 491 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: work at a basic level. Obviously, later you go, the 492 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: more complicated these machines would get. It would not take 493 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: very much time at all for people to try and 494 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: figure out ways to cheat vending machines to use like 495 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: a slug, for example, which is just something that's about 496 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: the same size and weight as a coin, but it's 497 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: not a coin, like a hollowed out disk of steel, 498 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: for example, it's often a disc because you could tie 499 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: a string through the whole of the disk and then 500 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: potentially retrieve your slug for use again to just cheat 501 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: a machine out of all of its supply. So a 502 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: lot of innovation was then dedicated to ways to try 503 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: and prevent people from cheating. So one thing that started 504 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: going into machines were really powerful magnets, which wouldn't really 505 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: affect regular coins because there's not enough ferromagnetic material in 506 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: them for it to make a big difference. But if 507 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 1: you're using like steel slugs, they would be pulled the 508 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: magnet and get caught there, so you wouldn't activate the machine. 509 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: I Meanwhile, like when the vendor would come and open 510 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 1: things up, they could clear all the slugs out, So 511 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: that would be one way. But there were also ways 512 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: where they would develop systems that would essentially detect the 513 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: size and weight of coins to allow the right coins 514 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: to go through and to deny the wrong coins from 515 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: going through. So, for example, when you get into the 516 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: nickel and dime era, a lot of those machines would 517 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: not accept pennies. They would accept nickels and dimes, and 518 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: that's it, And so the slot would be big enough 519 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: for a nickel to fit through, but not for something 520 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: like a quarter or a half dollar or something like 521 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: that to go through. Pennies, however, are slightly larger than dimes, 522 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: but they're smaller than nickels. So how do you account 523 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: for those? How do you get it so that a 524 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: machine can tell the difference between a penny and a dime. Well, 525 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: one thing you can do is build essentially a track 526 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: that the coins go down, where the track has holes 527 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: in it, and those holes are large enough for a 528 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: dime to fit through, but not for a penny or 529 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: a nickel. And then a little further down the track, 530 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: you have holes that a penny can fit through but 531 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: not a nickel, and you have the dimes divert to 532 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: a path that activates the machine. You have the nickels 533 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: divert to a path that will activate the machine. Pennies 534 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: will end up going down a chute that's to the 535 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: return coin slot, so you don't end up counting the 536 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: pennies as dimes. Pretty clever, simple approach, but limited as 537 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: time would go on. You would have other methods to 538 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: do this sort of thing, where you would have optical 539 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: sensors and electromagnets inside a machine to detect coins and 540 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: make sure they are the correct coins to go through. 541 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: So you know, optical sensors could measure the size of 542 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: a coin as it rolls past, now, measuring the diameter 543 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: of the coin and determining, all right, well that's a quarter, 544 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: you know, because these would be very precise these days, 545 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: our coins are uniform in shape and weight and consistent. 546 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 1: And see, the electromagnet would determine exactly what kind of 547 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: metals were used to make that coin, So again you 548 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: could prevent fakes from going through, even if those fakes 549 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: were the same size and weight of legitimate coins, right, 550 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: because if unless they're made of the exact same stuff, 551 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: in which case they might as well be a coin, 552 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: then you're you're not going to fool the machine. Later on, 553 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: you would have, you know, pending machines that clearly could 554 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: accept paper currency. These typically have a simple optical system 555 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: in them where they can detect the note has been 556 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: put in, using various stuff like ultraviolet light and other 557 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: mythod methods for looking for the telltale signs of is 558 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: this an acceptable form of currency or not. It's not 559 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 1: like it's you know, detecting forgeries or whatever. It's just saying, okay, 560 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: well does this match what I am allowed to accept 561 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: as payment or if it doesn't, I reject it and 562 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: the little dollar comes rolling right back out. So if 563 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: your dollars really dirty or are hard to read because 564 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 1: it's been crumpled up so much, it may not be 565 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 1: accepted by a vending machine because the sensors cannot verify 566 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: that it's a real dollar bill. And then even later 567 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 1: still you have vending machines that work with things like 568 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: credit and debit cards, And we started to get into 569 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,319 Speaker 1: the realm of the crazy super modern machines. But those 570 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,760 Speaker 1: early ones, to me, are really fascinating because again, they 571 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: were largely mechanical systems. Even when you get into the 572 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 1: nineteen twenties where they started to get electrified, and then 573 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: you get into the nineteen fifties and sixties where they 574 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 1: started getting a little more sophisticated, a lot of the 575 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 1: actual operations of the machines were mechanical systems, and to me, 576 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: that's really just cool because so much of what we 577 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:57,399 Speaker 1: work with and interact with today are digital systems that 578 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: we can kind of forget the engine new that went 579 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 1: into creating these mechanical devices that could dole out stuff 580 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 1: for whatever money we put in, and that stuff is 581 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: all sorts of things, right. They've made vending machines for 582 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: crazy stuff. I mean, like even early on, like in 583 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:23,320 Speaker 1: the eighteen hundreds, Paris had vending machines that were connected 584 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 1: to the city's water system and you could go and 585 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: purchase quarts of water. Hot water in Paris vending machines 586 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: that were connected to the system. So maybe you don't 587 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: have a water furnace at home, you could buy hot 588 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: water and then carry it home for use, which was 589 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: kind of interesting. Or in England, in Birmingham, England. They 590 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,720 Speaker 1: had the gas company came up with a clever way 591 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 1: of making people pay to you know, stay warm and 592 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 1: not die in the winter. They had systems set up 593 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,359 Speaker 1: with gas pipes where you would put in a coin 594 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: for a certain amount of cubic volume of natural gas 595 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 1: for the purposes of heating, and that would just essentially 596 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,319 Speaker 1: allot that amount to you until the amount ran out, 597 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 1: and then you'd have to put more money in if 598 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: you wanted to maintain heat. But there were tons of 599 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 1: different vnting machines and still are in some places. Japan 600 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 1: is famous for its vending machines and for its variety 601 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:26,799 Speaker 1: of vending machines. There were vending machines that dispensed alcohol, which, 602 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 1: as you can imagine, could easily be abused. Cigarettes very 603 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,360 Speaker 1: common until the nineteen nineties here in the United States, 604 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 1: still common in some places but not here in the US. 605 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 1: In fact, I saw a great video of an artist 606 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,839 Speaker 1: in the Carolinas who has taken cigarette machines and turned 607 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 1: them into art dispensing machines. So you come up to 608 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 1: one and you look at the different art that is available. 609 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 1: You put in five dollars, you pull a lever and 610 00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: it dispenses the art and it's called the Arto Mattic 611 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:07,359 Speaker 1: and they apparently have been populating various places, including as 612 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: far away as Australia. I have never seen one of these, 613 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:11,760 Speaker 1: but I think it's a cool idea. It's very similar 614 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,360 Speaker 1: to the bibliomatic that I mentioned earlier in the episode. 615 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 1: But yeah, you'd find them for stuff like perfume or 616 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 1: for soap or soup, and that one letter makes a 617 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,760 Speaker 1: big difference. I saw one that was hot curry over rice, 618 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,279 Speaker 1: and that was interesting too because that machine that I 619 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 1: saw on a video, it was a Japanese machine that 620 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 1: served hot curry on rice. The machine did not have 621 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 1: a microwave in it some of the machines that serve 622 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,279 Speaker 1: hot food. The way that works is the machine is 623 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: designed to microwave your selection and then give you a 624 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 1: hot meal. This one had heating elements inside the machine 625 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 1: because it was it predated microwaves, so using electricity it 626 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:02,320 Speaker 1: kept everything hot and you would have to have someone 627 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,400 Speaker 1: cook rice, portion it out in bowls, put the bowls 628 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: inside the machine. At the beginning of the day. It 629 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 1: held pouches of curry and when you put the money 630 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 1: in the machine would hold the pouch in place, a 631 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 1: knife would slice the pouch open, and it would squeeze 632 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,720 Speaker 1: the pouch on top of a bowl of this cooked 633 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 1: rice and then serve you curry over rice, which I 634 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,360 Speaker 1: just thought was really clever. But there's been tons of 635 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,719 Speaker 1: other stuff, Like I saw in one video that supposedly 636 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,760 Speaker 1: there were vending machines out in the Western United States 637 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: that sold divorce papers. That's pretty enterprising. Or you know 638 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,839 Speaker 1: a car, you would buy the keys to a car 639 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:48,280 Speaker 1: through a vending machine, which is again crazy, but yeah, 640 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,880 Speaker 1: there's no shortage of those. And like, there's so many 641 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 1: different kinds with different delivery systems. To talk about how 642 00:38:55,239 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 1: they all work would get pretty long winded and repetitive 643 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 1: in many ways. The one thing I will say is 644 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,360 Speaker 1: that there are classic snack machine here in the United States, 645 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,399 Speaker 1: the ones that have the spirals. The way those work 646 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 1: is when you make your selection, then a motor that's 647 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 1: behind all the selections behind those bars engages with the 648 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:22,279 Speaker 1: mechanism that connects to that curved bar that holds the 649 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,800 Speaker 1: snacks in place, and then it rotates it three hundred 650 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:31,440 Speaker 1: and sixty degrees. So there's essentially an axle that plugs 651 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:36,360 Speaker 1: in to some gears that then are connected to the spiral. 652 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,160 Speaker 1: It rotates the spiral three hundred and sixty degrees, which 653 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: is supposed to dispense a treat now, whatever the snack is. 654 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,240 Speaker 1: Typically there's some sort of optical system towards the bottom 655 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: of these vending machines that can detect whether or not 656 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,799 Speaker 1: something went through, and if nothing went through, some of 657 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,359 Speaker 1: these machines will then do a second rotation of that 658 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 1: wire just in case something had been like accidentally mis installed, 659 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,400 Speaker 1: or maybe two things came out the last rotation, and 660 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 1: so there's a gap and then hopefully your potato chips 661 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,560 Speaker 1: or popcorn or whatever it might be falls through and 662 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,319 Speaker 1: you can pick it up. But yeah, there's so many 663 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,759 Speaker 1: different mechanisms and so many different varieties. I went through 664 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,840 Speaker 1: a long rabbit hole of watching videos of vending machines, 665 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,120 Speaker 1: which ended up not being very useful for this episode, 666 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,200 Speaker 1: but it was really entertaining. So if you ever want 667 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:34,880 Speaker 1: to just waste a few hours watching you know, ridiculous 668 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,799 Speaker 1: vending machine footage, there's no shortage of it online, I'm 669 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: happy to tell you. And that's it. That's it for 670 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,200 Speaker 1: this little look at the history of vending machines. Like 671 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,640 Speaker 1: I said, like the real history of the modern day 672 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,960 Speaker 1: vending machine can be traced back to the late eighteen 673 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 1: hundreds early nineteen hundreds. I would say that the heyday 674 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 1: was probably the fifties and sixties. It's when we saw 675 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,920 Speaker 1: like the rise of the automat. That would have been 676 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 1: the restaurants that you could go to where you could 677 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,560 Speaker 1: get things like a sandwich or a piece of pie 678 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,840 Speaker 1: or whatever by putting some money into a slot and 679 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,920 Speaker 1: then opening up a drawer and pulling out your selection 680 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,160 Speaker 1: and sitting down and never interacting with another human being. 681 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,359 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people personally who would love 682 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,880 Speaker 1: it if everything they ever had to get was an 683 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,719 Speaker 1: a vending machine so they never had to interact with 684 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,600 Speaker 1: other human beings. I am not that person, but I 685 00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:32,200 Speaker 1: understand where they're coming from. Yeah, anyways, super cool stuff. 686 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,840 Speaker 1: You can totally check out more videos on YouTube, and 687 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,719 Speaker 1: I sure hope you do, because, like I said, there 688 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,279 Speaker 1: are a lot of really entertaining ones. That's it. I 689 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,759 Speaker 1: hope you are all well, and I'll talk to you 690 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:54,560 Speaker 1: again really soon. Tech Stuff is an iHeartRadio production. For 691 00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app Apple podcasts 692 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:01,680 Speaker 1: you listen to your favorite shows,