Speaker 1: What's that at the foot of my bed? It's spooky. Hey, juky,
Speaker 1: I'm really sure it's dead. It's coming this way.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, Hey, I ghosted.
Speaker 1: I gos nandas Pllease hey boo. It's me Raz and
Speaker 1: welcome to Ghosted by Raz Hernandez, the podcast where I
Speaker 1: like to talk to people that I like, including you,
Speaker 1: the listeners, about things that make me go, oh my god,
Speaker 1: who are you people? How did you find me? It's
Speaker 1: another listener phone call extravaganza, which you know I love
Speaker 1: every time the listeners call in, you know, they always
Speaker 1: bring it. And as always, the invitation is open for
Speaker 1: you to submit your stories to the show. You just
Speaker 1: email Ghosted by rozat gmail dot com with the subject
Speaker 1: line listener episode, and then just give me some brief
Speaker 1: bullet points of the kind of stories we would talk
Speaker 1: about and we'll take it from there. This is an
Speaker 1: action packed episode, so I say we just get right
Speaker 1: into it. Let's toss it on over to my conversation
Speaker 1: now with John. Now, John is one of these people
Speaker 1: that lived in a haunted house. Can you believe it
Speaker 1: got a lot of haunted houses, a lot of haunted
Speaker 1: homes on this week's episode. So here we go. First
Speaker 1: phone call, take it away, John. Oh my god, it's
Speaker 1: John from California. Yeah, Hello John, how's it going.
Speaker 3: Hey, Roz, I'm doing great. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, thanks for doing this. Hang on a second.
Speaker 1: You've been watching the TV show I'm on.
Speaker 3: Yes, I've been binging it. I've been listening to your
Speaker 3: podcast for a couple of months now, and the minute
Speaker 3: I heard about the show, I waited anxiously for it
Speaker 3: to start. And I've been watching that and then listening
Speaker 3: to your interviews with the cast members in between. So
Speaker 3: it's been kind of a fun experience to hear your
Speaker 3: commentary with your cast members and then watch the show.
Speaker 2: Cute.
Speaker 1: Well, it seems like you are no stranger to going
Speaker 1: to haunted places. Now, what is the deal with this?
Speaker 1: So you spent a bunch of time. Did you grow
Speaker 1: up in a haunted house?
Speaker 3: Yeah? About eighth grade. So back in ninety six, my
Speaker 3: parents bought a house, just a normal house, nothing with
Speaker 3: like a super long history. You know. It was about
Speaker 3: thirty years old at the time. My parents purchased it
Speaker 3: from an older couple that basically the woman was sick
Speaker 3: with cancer. And for the last year there they they
Speaker 3: had only lived downstairs, they couldn't even use at the
Speaker 3: upper level, so they kind of begrudgingly sold their house.
Speaker 3: The man was a carpenter and had done a bunch
Speaker 3: of custom work to the house, so they really didn't
Speaker 3: want to leave, but we bought it from them, and
Speaker 3: pretty shortly after the fun started with the ghosts.
Speaker 1: What happened.
Speaker 3: So there's been lots of little different occurrences, but over
Speaker 3: the years when we were there, oftentimes we would hear
Speaker 3: footsteps moving across from one end of the second story
Speaker 3: to the other when literally no one would be awake.
Speaker 3: There's no excuse for it, but we could definitely hear
Speaker 3: people walking from one into the house to the other.
Speaker 1: What So, do you think that since they couldn't be
Speaker 1: there when they were alive, they're like, we're going to
Speaker 1: go upstairs now.
Speaker 3: Well it's funny because, you know, my dad, after all
Speaker 3: of these occurrences that we'll talk through, he kind of
Speaker 3: made the connection at the end. He said, you know,
Speaker 3: I think that the previous owners moved back in. They
Speaker 3: actually apparently when they sold the house. The woman passed
Speaker 3: away pretty soon after that. I think within a couple
Speaker 3: of months, and the husband I think only lasted a
Speaker 3: few more months after that, probably passed away from a
Speaker 3: broken heart. And my dad swears that they just kind
Speaker 3: of came back and moved back into their own house.
Speaker 1: It's very beetle Jews.
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they like came back and they're like, who are
Speaker 1: these people?
Speaker 3: Totally. I mean, we didn't have anything super negative happened,
Speaker 3: but I think it was more of kind of like that, hey,
Speaker 3: we're here, we're just kind of occupying the space with you,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, So what other kind of stuff would happen?
Speaker 3: So, like I said, the I was a carpenter, and
Speaker 3: so you had done all these like extra like embellishments
Speaker 3: to the house. And one of them was this old
Speaker 3: style like brass knocker like picture of a brass ring
Speaker 3: on the back garage door. So the door that goes
Speaker 3: from the dining room into the garage, right, and so
Speaker 3: there's no wind there. It's totally enclosed by the house.
Speaker 3: We would hear that thing knocking, like quietly, sometimes not
Speaker 3: so quietly. Often we'd heard it in the evening. My
Speaker 3: sister would hear it. She lived with us, came back
Speaker 3: to live with us at one point, and would hear
Speaker 3: that knocker go and then would hear footsteps across the
Speaker 3: hardwood floor from the dining room into the living room
Speaker 3: where she was sleeping. She said she would just be
Speaker 3: like paralyzed and kind of pull the covers up and
Speaker 3: just like hope for it to pass.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's creepy. Yeah, it's a little scary totally.
Speaker 3: That was a little scary, but still nothing like too bad.
Speaker 3: And I think she had kind of pulled the covers
Speaker 3: up and would get past it. My dog was a
Speaker 3: Labrador Rottweiler, like the sweetest dog possible. He was just
Speaker 3: like a love dog with animals and people alike. And
Speaker 3: once in a while he would just turn and look
Speaker 3: at either the stairwell or like a corner of the room,
Speaker 3: and the hair would raise up on his back and
Speaker 3: he would start to growl, like the deep, deep growl
Speaker 3: that he never would do in the normal circumstances. And
Speaker 3: that happens multiple times. So definitely the dog was picking
Speaker 3: up on something as well.
Speaker 1: But do you feel like they liked you guys being there?
Speaker 3: I think so. The only scary thing that kind of
Speaker 3: happened was we've had multiple drooms that took place, like
Speaker 3: different family members that kind of like afterwards we connected
Speaker 3: it with probably ghosts or something happening in the house.
Speaker 3: My dad one time woke up kind of out of
Speaker 3: a deep sleep and there was a man holding a
Speaker 3: rifle and my dad was looking down the barrel of
Speaker 3: the rifle, so it was pointed out his face, and
Speaker 3: he just kind of like, you know, kind of instinctively
Speaker 3: sat up and swiped the gun out of his face.
Speaker 3: And of course then he was awake, right, and so
Speaker 3: I was like to him, Okay, just just a really
Speaker 3: scary dream. He got up, he couldn't go back to sleep,
Speaker 3: so he got up and went across the hall to
Speaker 3: the computer to kind of just like look at the
Speaker 3: internet or whatever. And my mom felt him kind of stir,
Speaker 3: but she was asleep. She remembers that. And then she
Speaker 3: had a dream that a woman, like an old decrepit
Speaker 3: woman was kind of crouched by the bed and pulled
Speaker 3: out a syringe and it was going to stick it
Speaker 3: in my mom's leg and my mom the same thing
Speaker 3: just instinctively kind of pushed her away or you know,
Speaker 3: and the woman instead of sticking it in her legs
Speaker 3: she stuck the syringe in her own neck. That breaked
Speaker 3: my mom out, woke her up, and she kind of
Speaker 3: couldn't go back to sleep, and she went across all
Speaker 3: to my dad and said, I just had this dream.
Speaker 3: And my dad was like, that's so bizarre because I
Speaker 3: literally just woke up like two minutes ago from a
Speaker 3: really horrible dream. So they were both kind of having
Speaker 3: these experiences around the same time.
Speaker 1: It's so beatlejuice. It's so these people learning how to
Speaker 1: be ghosts and trying to be scary.
Speaker 3: Totally, totally. Like the other dream that I'll mention is
Speaker 3: my husband's boyfriend at the time and I were sleeping downstairs.
Speaker 3: Just a quick background, my husband has kind of has
Speaker 3: night terrors once in a while, the kind that like
Speaker 3: he has a little bit of sleep prolesis, you know,
Speaker 3: and you can tell he's struggling to wake up. And
Speaker 3: I am a sleepwalker. Not every night, but it happens.
Speaker 3: And so we've got this kind of like funky sleep
Speaker 3: situation to begin with. And we are sleeping in my
Speaker 3: room and I wake up to a huge, like I swear,
Speaker 3: like a ten foot shadow standing at the foot of
Speaker 3: the bed, like no shape, no face, but like a
Speaker 3: tall shadow and it freaked me out. So I'm like
Speaker 3: kind of thrashing a little bit, Like I'm sitting up
Speaker 3: and I find out that Gabriel's waking me up, like so, okay,
Speaker 3: he's waking me up from a dream. And then Gabriel
Speaker 3: is it's hard to describe this, he's having a dream
Speaker 3: about like a kind of a sleek prolysis type dream,
Speaker 3: and then I'm waking him up. So we're both kind
Speaker 3: of in it's weird, like trying to wake each other
Speaker 3: up from a dream. And before I said anything, when
Speaker 3: we finally were awake, he mentioned a shadow that he
Speaker 3: saw at the foot of the bed, so we both
Speaker 3: saw the same thing, but we were having two different.
Speaker 1: Experiences and this was in the house.
Speaker 3: This is in the house as well.
Speaker 1: Yes, what is that that is? So I mean, come on,
Speaker 1: I feel like at a certain point it's like, okay, yes,
Speaker 1: it's a dream, but it's like not a dream. It's
Speaker 1: like it's really happening.
Speaker 3: Totally, if not a dream. When when you turn to
Speaker 3: the person and before saying anything, they kind of like
Speaker 3: say what you were thinking, you know, or what you experienced.
Speaker 3: It's a little more than that I think.
Speaker 1: I love a shared dream situation. Those are such good stories.
Speaker 1: Did anybody ever like I mean, you said your parents
Speaker 1: kind of saw these people with a gun and a
Speaker 1: syringe pointed at them, right, But like, did you guys
Speaker 1: ever while awake see these goes?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so not too often. It was more like the
Speaker 3: sounds and whatnot much. One time, my husband A lot
Speaker 3: of these happened with my husband. Maybe he's the culprit.
Speaker 3: My husband boyfriend. At the time, we were getting ready
Speaker 3: to go. We're going to go to the beach because
Speaker 3: Santa Day is really close to Santa Truth, California. So
Speaker 3: we're like kind of rushing around the house getting our
Speaker 3: stuff together, and we're both walking out the front door
Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh, crap, I forgot my keys, and
Speaker 3: so he's standing out on the front patio and I
Speaker 3: walk back in and my keys are just in the kitchen.
Speaker 3: So I'm like literally in and out. And as I'm
Speaker 3: drabbing my keys off the counter, I hear Gable outside
Speaker 3: go hi, and I'm like, okay, maybe someone for my
Speaker 3: family is getting here or you know, he's waiting to
Speaker 3: a neighbor. And as he's saying hi, I'm literally walking
Speaker 3: out the door because it was that quick. But I
Speaker 3: was in and out and he looked at me and
Speaker 3: he goes, how did you do that? And I said what?
Speaker 3: And he said, I just waved at you in the
Speaker 3: window upstairs, and I was like, post shit, like no
Speaker 3: one is here. We literally went upstairs to see if
Speaker 3: maybe someone from the family was home that we didn't
Speaker 3: realize and it was completely empty. But my husband waved
Speaker 3: someone in the upstairs window.
Speaker 1: Hang on a second. So he just mistook it as
Speaker 1: you or was the ghost doing an impression of you.
Speaker 3: I think he just kind of saw someone and figured
Speaker 3: it was me that I had gone up there to
Speaker 3: get my keys, right. I don't think he saw like
Speaker 3: my face on the ghost or anything, but he was
Speaker 3: just like I hope he didn't. I don't know. I
Speaker 3: never asked him, but I think he just kind of
Speaker 3: assumed and he's like, how the heck did you get
Speaker 3: down the stairs and out the door? Literally and like
Speaker 3: a blink of an eye, you know. So it was
Speaker 3: just another creepy into then of a kind of a
Speaker 3: little experience.
Speaker 1: Well at least the guy was not pulling out a rifle,
Speaker 1: I know, right, and he was just waving this time totally.
Speaker 3: I'm glad I didn't have that rifle dream that that
Speaker 3: one was pretty rough.
Speaker 1: Tell us the fireplace story.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, that one's fun. My husband again, I swear,
Speaker 3: maybe I need to do some investigating. I think my
Speaker 3: husband's a bit like connected with this realm. Were sitting
Speaker 3: watching a movie and it's kind of the time of year,
Speaker 3: like this time of year probably where we turned on
Speaker 3: the fireplace for the first time in the fall. And
Speaker 3: it's a gas fireplace that has like a kind of
Speaker 3: half circle metal grate around it, and it's kiled, and
Speaker 3: we're watching the movie and we look over from my
Speaker 3: head and looks over and he goes, where did that
Speaker 3: footprint come from? And I look over and behind the
Speaker 3: half circle metal grate on the tile is a huge,
Speaker 3: like twelve inch footprint. You can see the toes, you
Speaker 3: can see the outline of the footprint. It's kind of
Speaker 3: like a pristine footprint in the dust. I'm like, that's
Speaker 3: bizarre because one, I'm the tallest person in my family
Speaker 3: and probably the biggest foot and I go to investigate
Speaker 3: it and this thing is bigger than my foot. Oh
Speaker 3: my god, right, And two the placement of it is
Speaker 3: so awkward, Like you talk about it all the time.
Speaker 3: You're kind of like automatically skeptic, right, skeptical. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: you're like figuring out what's the way to describe this,
Speaker 3: like from a logical perspective, And so I'm like pulling
Speaker 3: the grade away, and I'm like, if I stepped right here,
Speaker 3: what could I have been doing with like cleaning the
Speaker 3: mantle or you know, like if it was me, and
Speaker 3: why would I be doing it barefoot? And then when
Speaker 3: I put my foot there, it's like literally I'm almost
Speaker 3: like stepping into the fireplace.
Speaker 1: But only one foot, right, just.
Speaker 3: One footprint, Like you could see the five toes, you
Speaker 3: could see the ball of the foot everything. So we
Speaker 3: couldn't really like explain it away. And we're like, who
Speaker 3: the hell is dusting or cleaning with bare feet in
Speaker 3: the fireplace? First of all, So it's kind of creepy.
Speaker 3: We're like, well, there's the ghost. You know, at this point,
Speaker 3: after so many years, you just kind of go, there's
Speaker 3: another ghost, you know, like nothing to be afraid of.
Speaker 3: But the thing just sat there for months. It didn't
Speaker 3: collect us, it didn't change or move, but you know,
Speaker 3: dust settles so you would think, Okay, after some weeks
Speaker 3: or a month, that would slowly go away, and it
Speaker 3: just was there until we finally like cleaned it away.
Speaker 1: You know what a big ghost foot means. That means big,
Speaker 1: big ghosts.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, after that, I was hoping you visit my dreams.
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 1: You go wave to me ghosts man exactly. So is
Speaker 1: the house still like in your family or what?
Speaker 3: No, we uh, we moved. We've all kind of migrated
Speaker 3: up to where I am today, like kind of toward
Speaker 3: Tahoe Sacramento area. So my parents have a house up here.
Speaker 3: We've moved recently or not recently, but in three years,
Speaker 3: so that's not in the family. We've had some other
Speaker 3: ghostly experiences in other houses in panels A. I don't
Speaker 3: know if there's time to touch on any of those.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let's touch on them.
Speaker 3: Touch on it.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 3: I had one more thing I'm going to mention. I
Speaker 3: forgot but when my dad made that connection at the end,
Speaker 3: you know, he was like, hey, you don't think about it.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure that the original owners have moved back
Speaker 3: in with us. Kind of a spooky detail is that
Speaker 3: their last name was the Grave Lines. And kind of
Speaker 3: kind of creepy the word grave in their name. You know,
Speaker 3: I've never looked up, you know what the meaning of
Speaker 3: that last name, but it always kind.
Speaker 6: Of spoofed this out to well.
Speaker 1: In La that's like the Murder Tours of like Hollywood is.
Speaker 1: The company is called the Grave Line Tours.
Speaker 3: Little Sweet.
Speaker 1: Okay, So what's going on in San Jose? There's ghosts
Speaker 1: there too.
Speaker 3: So we had another place that my husband and I
Speaker 3: lived in for a few years, also like a fairly
Speaker 3: new house, so not like a crazy long history, but
Speaker 3: that house we definitely wondered if you know, something happened
Speaker 3: in that house that we didn't know about, because we'd
Speaker 3: often often hear little little feet, like kid's feet, running
Speaker 3: from one end of the house to the other upstairs,
Speaker 3: like to the point where you'd pause the TV and
Speaker 3: go like, okay, you just heard that too, right, And
Speaker 3: that happened all the time, and in connection with the
Speaker 3: little feet, one night, Gabriel woke up and looked over
Speaker 3: to me and there was a little girl hunched over me.
Speaker 3: No not blonde, no hunch right, she had blonde, curly hair,
Speaker 3: he said, And she was kind of crouched over me.
Speaker 3: She was there until she noticed he was watching. So
Speaker 3: when she realized he could be like he was aware
Speaker 3: of it, then she vanished. So I don't know what
Speaker 3: she was doing to me?
Speaker 1: Oh no, you know what. I I do that all
Speaker 1: the time with like if I walk by a window
Speaker 1: like a car, and I see my reflection and I
Speaker 1: start looking at myself and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I see there's somebody in there, and then I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, And then I got to like act like
Speaker 1: I wasn't doing that. That's exactly what she did.
Speaker 3: You like cleaning something out of your teeth and then
Speaker 3: you realize someone's in the front seat.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. That happens to me constantly, exactly. Yeah, that is
Speaker 1: so scary. Is that the only time you encounter or
Speaker 1: you know, she came into your bedroom that you know of, that.
Speaker 3: I know of. But it kind of like it said,
Speaker 3: tied him with the little feet. And then there was
Speaker 3: kind of a funny one. My sister was one day
Speaker 3: and it was like in the guests like little half
Speaker 3: bathroom downstairs and there's a long hallway going to different
Speaker 3: parts of the house for the bathrooms right there. She
Speaker 3: was in there. One in the bathroom and she she
Speaker 3: where she heard one of my selfer gabble walk by
Speaker 3: and fart really loud, like by the door, and she
Speaker 3: kind of like came out of the bathroom was like, haha, funny, guys,
Speaker 3: like that's really growth, And no one was there and
Speaker 3: we were at the other end of the vow, but
Speaker 3: she like heard it clear as day, and so she
Speaker 3: swear there was like a little prank that one of
Speaker 3: the ghostses playing on us.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I don't know your sister, but I
Speaker 1: do know the famous virabl video little girl farts and
Speaker 1: blames it on a ghost and.
Speaker 3: Right, so maybe it was my sister. I don't know
Speaker 3: that one's That one's a far fetch I guess.
Speaker 1: Well. Hey, thanks so much for joining me. These have
Speaker 1: been some great stories.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: If the little girl comes back, give me a call
Speaker 1: me all about it.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. It was really fun.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Bye to care.
Speaker 1: Thank you John. Next up, it's Morgan. Oh this one.
Speaker 1: You get yourself a nice cute lease and an apartment,
Speaker 1: but it's a lease with the deceased. Time to call
Speaker 1: a priest. Talk to me, Morgan. I am now joined
Speaker 1: by Morgan in Seattle. Hello, Morgan, how's it going?
Speaker 5: Hello?
Speaker 3: Hello?
Speaker 1: What is the deal with this haunted apartment building?
Speaker 7: Yeah? So this like definitely made a believer out of me.
Speaker 4: I think I'd never been like closed off to the
Speaker 4: existence of paranormal things by any means, but there was
Speaker 4: just so much in your face Stapa.
Speaker 7: Happened to be living there.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 4: So I moved into this apartment building when I lived
Speaker 4: in Tacoma around like twenty nineteen ish. It is my
Speaker 4: first apartment by myself. When I first lived there, I
Speaker 4: lived in a studio. And it's like, within a month
Speaker 4: living there, the elderly man who's my neighbor dies. So
Speaker 4: things are like happening rapidly. I've noticed little things here
Speaker 4: and there. And then like day one I moved into
Speaker 4: this apartment and this woman walks up to me, who's
Speaker 4: now a good friend of mine. She's like, I'm a
Speaker 4: psychic medium and this place is super haunted. And I'm
Speaker 4: like okay, great, and she's like, yeah, they scratched me
Speaker 4: last night, and I'm like, okay, great.
Speaker 1: Who the old man?
Speaker 4: Uh No, I guess there was like other people in
Speaker 4: this building that she has interacted with. She and she
Speaker 4: lived there in the building for like ten years. Okay,
Speaker 4: he's a very sweet, cool woman, and so like things
Speaker 4: go along. And then eventually I actually moved to a
Speaker 4: different apartment that was down the hall, so on one vendor
Speaker 4: right for COVID, So that was perfect, and so little
Speaker 4: things that had happened, like there was always one end
Speaker 4: of the hall that was like less lit than the others.
Speaker 4: And just on Halloween, I came home for a party
Speaker 4: one night and I just like looked down the hall
Speaker 4: and there was something like undeniably there.
Speaker 7: I'm like, okay, what do you mean?
Speaker 1: There was something like.
Speaker 4: Something it was standing kind of like in the silhouette
Speaker 4: of the window, and it just was this kind of
Speaker 4: black fog like black like silhouette of a person.
Speaker 7: And I was just like.
Speaker 4: Okay, not tonight, and I'm not gonna do this right now.
Speaker 4: And I just like I tailed it to my apartment,
Speaker 4: close the door, burned, some stage, done, go to bed.
Speaker 1: And of course this happens on Halloween, right, They're like
Speaker 1: it's our night.
Speaker 4: Yes, And then there's just been times like were you
Speaker 4: I would get home. So I used to work nights
Speaker 4: sometimes and I would get home at like midnight and
Speaker 4: it just felt like there was a party going on
Speaker 4: in this hallway. It just felt like there were people,
Speaker 4: there was energy, and then like that people were watching
Speaker 4: me as I was like walking into my apartment. I've
Speaker 4: never experienced anything like it. And so these are like
Speaker 4: more mild things the first started living there. Well, things
Speaker 4: really amp up when I actually become.
Speaker 7: Close to the person who lives in the most haunted apartment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's this one unit and the psychic medium I'll
Speaker 4: just use her nickname Kiki. So she comes up to
Speaker 4: me and she's like, this apartment here, this one's super haunted.
Speaker 4: I'm like, tell me about it, tell me, of course,
Speaker 4: and she's like, well, people who've lived there have like historically.
Speaker 7: Had problems, like with slamming doors.
Speaker 4: I tried to cleanse the space once and the front
Speaker 4: door of the apartment slammed repeatedly, and she's like and
Speaker 4: I had to leave and I was bullied for like
Speaker 4: weeks after that.
Speaker 7: I'm like, oh, wow, that sounds really scary.
Speaker 1: If I was a psychic medium, I would not want
Speaker 1: to live in a haunted apartment. No, I would be like,
Speaker 1: I'm not working, like I need to clock out.
Speaker 4: Yes, exactly, exactly, but like she was really religious and
Speaker 4: she really had like her protection down. But when I
Speaker 4: first moved in that building, there was a young girl
Speaker 4: who lived there. She was struggling with her mental health
Speaker 4: so much that she tried to like end her life there,
Speaker 4: and she was just missing for a while. And then
Speaker 4: she came back from the hospital and she was no
Speaker 4: longer able to live there because of her attempt, which
Speaker 4: happened in the apartment. So then that apartment was empty
Speaker 4: for a while. And then this man moves into this
Speaker 4: apartment and this becomes the man that I started dating
Speaker 4: during COVID.
Speaker 7: Oh, so it was like a kind of convenience dating thing.
Speaker 4: But he was like there and he was charming, and
Speaker 4: he was like, you know the way I kind of
Speaker 4: spent my time for six months.
Speaker 1: Did you get to be the person from the movie
Speaker 1: that's like, you know, people leave this apartment because it's haunted?
Speaker 1: Is that how you met him?
Speaker 4: I mean kind of he brought me sushi one day.
Speaker 4: It was just like a cute like love bombing thing.
Speaker 4: But like Kiki like got to him on day one,
Speaker 4: just like me and just had to tell him about
Speaker 4: how like how haunted this apartment he'd been waiting to
Speaker 4: move into was and he's like mm hmm, okay. You
Speaker 4: know he's a very like level headed, skeptical man. Okay,
Speaker 4: And so I start hanging out there more. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, I had some problems moving in. He's like,
Speaker 4: all of the things that I was hanging up on
Speaker 4: the wall, I'd put it up and then I wake
Speaker 4: up in the next morning and it was all on
Speaker 4: the ground. Either someone had said it on the ground
Speaker 4: or it had woke him up because it was falling off.
Speaker 4: And so the point where he had to like mount
Speaker 4: with like more intense hardware to keep things on.
Speaker 1: What are we talking like picture frames or TVs.
Speaker 4: Picture frames, large canvases, shelving units. There was like a
Speaker 4: shelving unit. And this guy is like an engineer, so
Speaker 4: it's not you know, he doesn't know how to use
Speaker 4: anchors and hang things.
Speaker 7: Up properly like me.
Speaker 6: Same.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it was things that shouldn't be falling off,
Speaker 4: and so I'm like, okay, like that's that's kind of weird.
Speaker 4: But this is a like really bright, nice apartment. This
Speaker 4: is not like you walk in and you're creeped out.
Speaker 4: So things started like slowly kind of developing more. I
Speaker 4: came over to his house one morning. I was walking
Speaker 4: down there and his front door was open. I was like, dude,
Speaker 4: like you left the front door to your apartment open.
Speaker 4: He's like, oh, well, like in the middle of the night,
Speaker 4: I heard banging on the door and I thought it
Speaker 4: was you. So I like got up half asleep and
Speaker 4: unlocked the door so that you could come in. And
Speaker 4: I was like, that was not me.
Speaker 1: It was Kiki. Kiki was trying to get in there.
Speaker 6: Ki whatever.
Speaker 7: But yeah, I mean it's a locked building.
Speaker 4: There's no way to get in, but there's only thirteen
Speaker 4: units up there. It's it's like very small. It was
Speaker 4: built in like nineteen thirty and there's some shops below.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, that was not me. And so later
Speaker 4: that night we were in his bedroom. I was helping
Speaker 4: him kind of full his laundry, and I think I
Speaker 4: had maybe had like one cocktail, you know, and at
Speaker 4: some point we both passed out cold and did not
Speaker 4: wake out up until the next day. It had like
Speaker 4: and I woke up like just in a really strange position,
Speaker 4: and we were both like what happened? And like, prior
Speaker 4: to that, the room had gotten like very cold, and
Speaker 4: we're like, I'm like, what is happening?
Speaker 7: And then we just passed out what And it.
Speaker 4: Was a really strange situation, and like I didn't go
Speaker 4: back a couple of days.
Speaker 7: It was like this is this is weird.
Speaker 4: And then things like started to really heat up more
Speaker 4: after that. Like we would wake up in the morning
Speaker 4: and the ceiling fan would be swinging back and forth
Speaker 4: to the point that the blades were scraping the ceiling,
Speaker 4: and then you would see the ceiling fan slowly just
Speaker 4: kind of stabilize and then stopped raping the ceiling and
Speaker 4: that was scary because that was directly above the bed,
Speaker 4: so like whatever was in here, it was like tricky
Speaker 4: but also threatening.
Speaker 7: There were like some really strange dreams I.
Speaker 4: Had in that apartment, and then there was like one
Speaker 4: night where I was just laying there, I woke up
Speaker 4: suddenly and felt such an oppressive energy that I had
Speaker 4: this like full range like panic attack that I'm like,
Speaker 4: I'm not a pandemic since all the teenager, you know,
Speaker 4: and it was something that I had never experienced before.
Speaker 7: And he started to.
Speaker 4: Tell me things like, you know, things are like very
Speaker 4: weird in here. He's like I'm having more problems with walls.
Speaker 4: He would pass out in the living room sometimes and
Speaker 4: wake up at like three two am and just feel
Speaker 4: like there was something kind of standing over him, like
Speaker 4: an oppressive force. And this is like not like a
Speaker 4: spooky like someone who's like into spooky stuff.
Speaker 1: Now, why were you guys not sleeping at your place?
Speaker 1: That's what I would have done, you know.
Speaker 7: He didn't like my bed was the one it was.
Speaker 4: He didn't like my bed. I'm like, look, you know,
Speaker 4: so we would stay over there. I stopped sleeping over there.
Speaker 4: It was just too much for me to handle, like emotionally.
Speaker 4: There's this one area of the apartment that's like a closet,
Speaker 4: and the closet, according to Kiki, is a portal, and
Speaker 4: that's where he would like set up his little workshop
Speaker 4: and he would go in there and he'd be just
Speaker 4: like hyper focus to the point where he would like
Speaker 4: not even like acknowledge me, and he would be in
Speaker 4: there for hours and then just get out and be
Speaker 4: like very spacey, very grumpy and just kind of like
Speaker 4: not himself. Things started to kind of amp up one
Speaker 4: night where I was at home, and uh, this has
Speaker 4: happened twice.
Speaker 7: I was the first time I happened.
Speaker 4: I was at home, hadn't heard from him early that day,
Speaker 4: and he comes like running down the hall and he
Speaker 4: has like a towel on his hips and soap in
Speaker 4: his hair, and he's like, Morgan, there's something in my
Speaker 4: back or something in my bathroom. I saw it standing
Speaker 4: outside of my shower curtain, and I just got the
Speaker 4: hell out of there. And I'm just like, dude, you
Speaker 4: just ran like half naked down the hall, and this
Speaker 4: is how like scared you are.
Speaker 1: What did he see?
Speaker 4: He said it was a dark silhouette standing on the
Speaker 4: other side of his shower curtain and that it got
Speaker 4: ice cold in his like shower room. I was like, dude,
Speaker 4: I would have been too scared to get out, Like
Speaker 4: I would just stayed there and cried.
Speaker 1: Literally what do you even do? Like, yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 4: At this point, I'm like, dude, like your apartment is
Speaker 4: really haunted, like there's something going on here, and he's
Speaker 4: still not like fully acknowledging it. So the next next
Speaker 4: week I come and I bring like a black tormaline crystal,
Speaker 4: which are like, you know, supposed to repel negative energy.
Speaker 3: Whatever.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, I got them all over this apartment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so are like playing cards. It's like a normal evening.
Speaker 4: Still have this weird relationship apartment. I still don't really
Speaker 4: want to be in there at night anymore, like things changed,
Speaker 4: like in our relationship even because it just is so weird.
Speaker 4: And so we'll get done like playing cards. He's like,
Speaker 4: go ah, I'm a shower, and he's like, i'll hit
Speaker 4: you up later.
Speaker 7: I'm like, okay, cool.
Speaker 4: Before I left, I took this crystal and I set
Speaker 4: it on top of a wine hutch where there was
Speaker 4: a lit candle, like a safety candle, you know, And
Speaker 4: I just set it up there and then I just left.
Speaker 4: And was it like my intention to instigate whatever is
Speaker 4: in there? But I definitely think that I did, And
Speaker 4: so I left. I went back to my apartment and
Speaker 4: again he comes booking it down the hall in his towel,
Speaker 4: soap in his air, and he's like, it happened again.
Speaker 4: He's like, and then I heard crashing from the living room,
Speaker 4: which is on the other side of the bathroom. He
Speaker 4: goes out there. The candle has been thrown off of
Speaker 4: the wine hutch. There's wax everywhere, and the crystal is gone,
Speaker 4: like it's gone. I got in my hands and knees.
Speaker 4: I looked everywhere for it and could not find it,
Speaker 4: and so like, okay, wow, I kind of just pissed
Speaker 4: something off here.
Speaker 6: Clearly.
Speaker 1: That's so scary to me because like in my mind,
Speaker 1: if like a ghost or a bad energy or something
Speaker 1: touches a Tourmaline, I don't know, it would get electric shocked,
Speaker 1: or it would like burn its hand or I don't know,
Speaker 1: like I wouldn't think in my mind, it's like not
Speaker 1: supposed to be able to move it. It's supposed to
Speaker 1: like keep it away.
Speaker 4: Right right, which is what has me thinking that like
Speaker 4: this whatever was in here was like not like a
Speaker 4: human spirit. It's not the impression that I was getting
Speaker 4: from whatever was in here. Yeah, And so that was
Speaker 4: kind of the amping up point. And then not long
Speaker 4: after that our relationship kind of ended for a number
Speaker 4: of reasons, but it's just it just did not feel
Speaker 4: good being in his presence or in his space anymore.
Speaker 4: And several like weeks later there, like this is before
Speaker 4: we officially broke up, I went in the house and
Speaker 4: I thought, like, you know, I'm just gonna look for
Speaker 4: it one more time, because maybe I'm crazy I looked.
Speaker 3: I looked.
Speaker 7: I got down my hands and knees again.
Speaker 4: It was exactly in a spot where I know for
Speaker 4: certain that I looked, and it was back and it
Speaker 4: was damaged and like cracked. The crystal itself was cracked.
Speaker 4: And it was not like a poor quality tomally either.
Speaker 4: It wouldn't have just happened from being dropped. It would
Speaker 4: have had to like gone through some sort of distress.
Speaker 4: So like I just scooped it up. I buried it
Speaker 4: in the park, and I'm like, I'm just gonna leave
Speaker 4: that there.
Speaker 1: So you said this was twenty nineteen. Yeah, at this
Speaker 1: point in the story. Has has it gotten to pandemic
Speaker 1: time yet?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: So I moved in there in twenty nineteen. He moved
Speaker 4: in in twenty, like twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. So being locked down with that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so like he is in this space, and
Speaker 4: like when he moved out, I helped him move and
Speaker 4: so I moved some carpets from the space. And when
Speaker 4: we lifted up this giant carpet wherez I kid you not,
Speaker 4: there was a human shaped dark stain on this hardwood floor.
Speaker 7: It looked like.
Speaker 4: A human man like laying on his side, in a
Speaker 4: pool blood in this hardwood floor.
Speaker 1: Eh, there definitely was somebody that was probably their dad
Speaker 1: and decomposing there.
Speaker 4: Oh, it was undeniably the shape of person. And then
Speaker 4: there was in the bedroom too. There was also a
Speaker 4: large dark stain in the hardwood floor. And typically like
Speaker 4: you can get those up. I know because I called
Speaker 4: the apartment people and like, does something happen here, and
Speaker 4: they're like, oh, well, we took over management six years ago,
Speaker 4: Like we don't know.
Speaker 1: Oh the body was there when we found it, we
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I was like, oh great, great. Then I started having
Speaker 7: problems in my apartment.
Speaker 4: I was waking up for a three night span, and
Speaker 4: I usually keep my space pretty clean, you know, I
Speaker 4: have lots of like trinkets and you know, stuff in there,
Speaker 4: so I my space had always been a safe haven
Speaker 4: up until the Turmaline incident. I started waking up at
Speaker 4: two three am and hearing like a female voice screaming
Speaker 4: and it would go on for like a few seconds
Speaker 4: and end. And I also started I have it on
Speaker 4: I have a video recording it too. But I also
Speaker 4: started hearing knocking in my walls and it would be
Speaker 4: a rhythmic kind of the thump them like it was rhythmic.
Speaker 4: And I would wake up at night hearing this or
Speaker 4: be going to bed hearing this, and I'm like, it's
Speaker 4: got it. Like I'm trying to tell myself, oh, you know,
Speaker 4: maybe you know, maybe it's windy and something's on the roof.
Speaker 4: But it was just became rhythmic. And so I'm hearing
Speaker 4: the screaming at night. First night, I get up, I'm
Speaker 4: really concerned. I'm thinking, like, is there someone being harmed
Speaker 4: outside the building? Like I run out to like, look,
Speaker 4: I have my phone. I'm getting ready to call in one.
Speaker 4: Nothing's happening. Nothing's happening anywhere.
Speaker 1: And did it sound like it was outside or could
Speaker 1: you really tell it was?
Speaker 4: It was like detached. It was hard to like really
Speaker 4: hear where it was coming from. But I assumed that
Speaker 4: it was from outside because obviously there's nothing going on
Speaker 4: in my bedroom, right, I kind of like hustle outside
Speaker 4: and of course there's nothing there. And then it happens
Speaker 4: again the next night, and then I tell Kiki about it,
Speaker 4: and she's like, Morgan, I will come in and pray
Speaker 4: for you. And so I was like great, And so
Speaker 4: she came in and she said a little prayer in
Speaker 4: my apartment and I smudged it and then it stopped.
Speaker 4: But that went on for four nights, and like the
Speaker 4: fourth night, like before I told Kiki about it, the
Speaker 4: screaming went on for a lot longer, and it was
Speaker 4: very prolonged, and it was like, pay attention to me.
Speaker 4: It's also leaving for work one day and I saw,
Speaker 4: like you know those little cabinets in old bathrooms where
Speaker 4: you open them up and it's like a mem oh no,
Speaker 4: uh oh. My cabinet opened and my toothbrush flew out
Speaker 4: of the cabinet into my bathtub as I was like
Speaker 4: leaving the house, and I was like, oh.
Speaker 7: No, oh, I just left.
Speaker 4: But I think, like just the biggest thing is like,
Speaker 4: since I've not lived there, it's so just such a
Speaker 4: different feeling being home. So I think it's just when
Speaker 4: you don't live in a haunted space, you really notice
Speaker 4: how much living in a haunted space has an impact
Speaker 4: on you.
Speaker 1: So but like the stuff in your actual apartment, none
Speaker 1: of that started until after your ex moved out.
Speaker 4: The stuff in my apartment happened after the Tormaline incident.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, okay, that's when stuff started happening in my apartment.
Speaker 1: That's screaming. Oh, because screaming like that in the middle
Speaker 1: of the night, especially multiple nights in a row. It's like,
Speaker 1: even if it wasn't a ghost, what is going on
Speaker 1: like that? That's so scary.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm like, someone being harmed here like that is
Speaker 4: like my first impression. But the history of the building,
Speaker 4: like a previous tenant that was there like twenty eighteen,
Speaker 4: who in that apartment, Like I don't think killed anybody,
Speaker 4: but severely beat up multiple people to the point where
Speaker 4: like it had to be professionally cleaned by like a
Speaker 4: biohazard because there was so much blood in that apartment.
Speaker 4: What And like Kiki had been witnessed to that just
Speaker 4: she like, as I'm like looking through the research, She's like, Morgan,
Speaker 4: you know that like this apartment, the bad shit has
Speaker 4: happened in here, Like then the whole ten years I've
Speaker 4: lived here, I've seen people very mentally ill people live
Speaker 4: in this apartment. I've seen very violent people live in
Speaker 4: this apartment. I've seen you know, lots of people break
Speaker 4: up in this apartment.
Speaker 1: This is the one that you were in or your.
Speaker 7: Ex, my ex's apartment.
Speaker 4: Oh my God, And I actually looked all of that
Speaker 4: stuff up online and it was like confirmed, like, yes,
Speaker 4: a serious assault occurred at this apartment.
Speaker 1: But do you know what like the original energy or history,
Speaker 1: like what's like the root of why this happens?
Speaker 4: You know, I have to go off of the expert,
Speaker 4: and I think just from Kiki saying that that apartment
Speaker 4: is a portal and in that closet, like that is
Speaker 4: the portal in which.
Speaker 7: Everything is coming from.
Speaker 4: And the building's was one hundred years old and it's
Speaker 4: been a lot of different things over the years, and
Speaker 4: I think it's a combination of residual energy from people
Speaker 4: living in that space and the fact that like I
Speaker 4: actually was there when people died there, right, So I
Speaker 4: think it is just things that have accumulated over time.
Speaker 4: But I wasn't able to necessarily find exactly who is
Speaker 4: behind these specific acts because I don't think it's a
Speaker 4: specific person, right.
Speaker 1: But I'm always like, Okay, if you think of a
Speaker 1: portal as like an airport for ghosts or edergy or whatever,
Speaker 1: I get why humans make airports in big cities that
Speaker 1: people travel to, but like, why are you like, let's
Speaker 1: do a portal in a closet and Tacoma in an apartment, Like,
Speaker 1: what does this happen? It's always like so random.
Speaker 7: So the building was built by this man.
Speaker 4: He was a Tacoma socialite back in the thirties when
Speaker 4: he was making lots of money. He was very into
Speaker 4: magic shows. He was a magician, but he was also
Speaker 4: a spiritualist. Oh, and was very deep into that. He
Speaker 4: actually had a house that was in the same neighborhood,
Speaker 4: but he built that building, and so it makes me wonder, Like,
Speaker 4: I mean, you just don't know what he was initially
Speaker 4: using this building for, but it's already built by some
Speaker 4: one who was very attracted to the paranormal and in
Speaker 4: various ways. I don't know if he ever lived there personally,
Speaker 4: but I know that the building changed a lot over
Speaker 4: the years, and like used to be fewer apartments and
Speaker 4: now it's more apartments. And I think when you have
Speaker 4: like a space that changes so much, it upsets energies
Speaker 4: that are in it and leaves confusion, especially like when
Speaker 4: one apartment used to be a part of another apartment
Speaker 4: and now it's a studio, right, Like I feel that
Speaker 4: it's just things have have built up there over the
Speaker 4: years and that's kind of what Kiki's assessment of it was.
Speaker 4: Also energy and people who never left this building.
Speaker 1: Well I'm glad you left.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, me too.
Speaker 7: But it was kind it was kind of like spooky
Speaker 7: at the time.
Speaker 4: It was kind of like fun at the time, and
Speaker 4: until start happening in my apartment, yeah, because I couldn't
Speaker 4: just leave, but just it would just be such a weird.
Speaker 4: And I know that you know what I'm talking about,
Speaker 4: where it's like you are in a space and then
Speaker 4: you step outside of the building, where you step outside
Speaker 4: of the room and you just immediately feel better.
Speaker 1: It was that, oh I'm sure, especially when it's your
Speaker 1: twenty four to seven like that just that's too much,
Speaker 1: or even walking down the hallway likeugh no, yeah, well Morgan,
Speaker 1: I gotta hop on another call. But this is amazing
Speaker 1: that you know. I love a beginning, middle, and end,
Speaker 1: and this was like the perfect Yeah, you move into
Speaker 1: a place, all this stuff happens, and then you leave.
Speaker 1: Oh love it beautiful. Thank you so much for doing this.
Speaker 7: Yeah, thank you for having me. I hope you have
Speaker 7: a grace of your day.
Speaker 1: Thank you you too. I'll talk to you later.
Speaker 2: All right. Bye.
Speaker 1: That's one of those moments. I don't even need my
Speaker 1: deposit back. I am out of there. Okay, we already
Speaker 1: talked to one John, I say, we talked to another.
Speaker 1: Here's John, who was a theater performer and has some
Speaker 1: stories to tell about it. Places. Everyone enter stage left, John,
Speaker 1: I am joined by John, the theater kid from Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: How's it going.
Speaker 6: It's going swimmingly.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thanks for joining me. I was so excited
Speaker 1: to hear that you have a story about Summerstock theater,
Speaker 1: which is a thing that I love you, Oh my god, obsessed.
Speaker 1: I don't go to enough of it, but it's something
Speaker 1: I always wanted to do. I did very little of
Speaker 1: in my life, and I hope at one point in
Speaker 1: my life I do do and spend a full summer
Speaker 1: doing it.
Speaker 6: Yes, and brace the chaos.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you get little romances, you get there's the dramas
Speaker 1: I love, and then also the performing shore but I like,
Speaker 1: I like all the other stuff too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, performing less and less important than the drama.
Speaker 1: Yes. But okay, so you're doing the Summer Stock and
Speaker 1: we're not just going to talk about Summer Stock because
Speaker 1: there's also ghosts involved here. What's the story.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So I'm gonna take you back in time. Okay,
Speaker 6: We're gonna go back to.
Speaker 2: The nineties fun, specifically the summer of nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 2: So you know, get out your Tori Inos, little earthquake bed,
Speaker 2: your Madonna's dead jewelry d. You know, it's at least
Speaker 2: if you were queer life like me. Okay, So yeah,
Speaker 2: so let me let me take you there. So where
Speaker 2: this happened was on the campus of Muhlenberg College, which
Speaker 2: was it still is a tiny liberal arts college in Allentown, Pennsylvania,
Speaker 2: which is about forty five minutes away from where I
Speaker 2: grew up. So this was the summer nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 2: I just graduated from high school and I was going
Speaker 2: to start undergrad there in the fall. Now, they do
Speaker 2: this sort of summer musical theater summer stuck thing where
Speaker 2: they basically get a lot of kids together, pay them
Speaker 2: one hundred dollars for three months to perform like to
Speaker 2: musical quote unquote professional because they bring in like two
Speaker 2: union actors from like New York.
Speaker 1: Lovely love it.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So the theater is really big at Melimber College. It
Speaker 2: continues to be next to where the theater complexes where
Speaker 2: this kind of experience took place was this how and
Speaker 2: it was called the Bernheim House. It was named after
Speaker 2: the sky Oscar Bernheim. It was constructed around nineteen fifteen
Speaker 2: nineteen seventeen. In Oscar Bernheim was the treasurer of the
Speaker 2: college from around like the early.
Speaker 6: Nineteen hundred to well. He died in nineteen forty.
Speaker 2: Six, but he held like a few different roles or
Speaker 2: something like that.
Speaker 6: So it was a private home. It was Oscar Bernheim's.
Speaker 2: House, and then it became I think like a women's
Speaker 2: residence hall and then a German studies house, and then
Speaker 2: eventually it was sort of like the theater dorm later
Speaker 2: like in the nineties.
Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds like the perfect place to be haunted.
Speaker 2: Exactly for many different reasons.
Speaker 6: And it was kind of like it like.
Speaker 2: It has kind of done the script architecture, Like if
Speaker 2: you look at old photos of it, you can find.
Speaker 6: Them if you google. It just looks creepy.
Speaker 2: I don't know how to say about this, but it
Speaker 2: was sort of famous for its theater kids porch party.
Speaker 6: Basically we was, you know, for a party there and
Speaker 6: stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So I bet those were noisy, very.
Speaker 2: Noisy but there were only the fraternities behind the house,
Speaker 2: so the noise kind of just canceled each other out
Speaker 2: of the residents living around this area.
Speaker 1: Okay, so if you're in the neighborhood, you're seeing all
Speaker 1: these houses and you're trying to find this one, you
Speaker 1: listen for the Sondheim and you found it.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Although the funny thing about the effect you say
Speaker 2: that is is.
Speaker 6: That actually the Summer Stock director hate it. Stephen Sondheim
Speaker 6: would never do it, like with.
Speaker 2: A big sort of classical like pre seventies kind of
Speaker 2: musical person, so you would never hear Sonheim.
Speaker 1: Okay, what were the shows that you guys were doing.
Speaker 6: I think that.
Speaker 2: Summer and I had to really jog my memory for
Speaker 2: this because I put a couple of summers there. I
Speaker 2: think they were Oliver and forty second Street, both like
Speaker 2: Orphans and Tappers.
Speaker 1: Okay, fun, So in this house, this is where you
Speaker 1: guys were housed when you were doing this.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, part of us it housed.
Speaker 2: I think there were like ten or ten or twelve
Speaker 2: of us that were staying in there, and there was
Speaker 2: they also housed people in the freshman door because there
Speaker 2: were a lot more kids just ten to twelve.
Speaker 6: But I wound up getting put in that house.
Speaker 2: Got it okay, So it was the house of three stories.
Speaker 2: They put me in the third floor, which was the
Speaker 2: only room on that floor. So the first and the
Speaker 2: second they had like I think, like three different rooms.
Speaker 2: In this room, it was kind of like it really
Speaker 2: did feel like an attic space, so there was kind
Speaker 2: of like sloping.
Speaker 6: Ceilings, and then in the room two there.
Speaker 2: Was this kind of like you know, one of the
Speaker 2: small sort of like two foot high gnome kind of
Speaker 2: doors that went into like a crawl and attic space.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're the dead bodies where they used to
Speaker 1: hide those.
Speaker 6: Or the dead raccoons like whatever. Yeah. Yeah, so I
Speaker 6: had I was put together with a room made in
Speaker 6: this room, so it was very dorm stylent there. But
Speaker 6: he mostly commuted it and didn't.
Speaker 2: Spend partly any time there at all. I think he
Speaker 2: stayed there the one night where we both experienced something,
Speaker 2: and I don't remember that he came back. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: I did have a roommate, but he was ember there.
Speaker 1: Basically, did you know it was haunted when you moved in?
Speaker 2: So there were whispers about this, but there was nothing
Speaker 2: like where someone definitively said I had an experience here,
Speaker 2: but there were sort of whispers that the Bernheim ghosts
Speaker 2: like the ghost of after Bernheim, but no one really
Speaker 2: ever kind of likes that sound and be like, okay, listen,
Speaker 2: so this happened, but there were definitely kind of there
Speaker 2: was chatter about it.
Speaker 1: Okay, so what happened?
Speaker 6: So okay.
Speaker 2: The first odd experience I had was so one morning
Speaker 2: I overslapt You know, this is before cell phone well,
Speaker 2: I mean we had those like big car cell phones,
Speaker 2: it's like the size of the briefcase. But I didn't
Speaker 2: have a cell phone, so this was like before that time.
Speaker 2: So I overslew and I missed the start of rehearsal
Speaker 2: because my this digital alarm clock that.
Speaker 6: I had brought with me didn't go off.
Speaker 2: And when I kind of like woke up, eventually I
Speaker 2: realized that it wasn't there, Like it was no longer
Speaker 2: on the bedside dresser where I'd put it, and I
Speaker 2: looked around.
Speaker 6: I looked around and looked around.
Speaker 2: I couldn't find it, looked under the bed and I
Speaker 2: think and I eventually just went to like the CBS
Speaker 2: and bought a new one.
Speaker 1: You never found it.
Speaker 6: Well, we're getting there.
Speaker 1: Oh okay.
Speaker 6: So it was like the first sort of aut experience.
Speaker 2: And then like maybe, like I want to say, like
Speaker 2: one or two weekend nights later, the roommate and actually
Speaker 2: stayed over.
Speaker 6: I think we had a party and there was drinking
Speaker 6: and whatever.
Speaker 2: And the next morning we get woken up by this knocking.
Speaker 2: He gets up and he opens the door to the
Speaker 2: to the room when there's nobody there. So we're kind
Speaker 2: of like, okay, I throw back in the bed and
Speaker 2: we hear this knocking again, and then we realized it
Speaker 2: sounds like it's coming from the other side of the small.
Speaker 6: Attic door that's in the room.
Speaker 2: You know, we're thinking, did someone get this is the
Speaker 2: first thought. Did someone get drunk and pass out in there? Now,
Speaker 2: mind you, nobody came up to the third floor.
Speaker 6: I was new to all these people. No one came
Speaker 6: up there to hang out.
Speaker 1: But also, like, if that was the case, who the
Speaker 1: hell would just knock like you would you'd be like, hey,
Speaker 1: can you open it up? Like you would be saying,
Speaker 1: especially at.
Speaker 6: Seventeen years old. I was seventeen, in horny. I didn't
Speaker 6: have any thought other than that.
Speaker 2: Okay, I no, thinking, what's happening.
Speaker 1: Okay, So we hear this knocking.
Speaker 6: We both kind of realized it's coming from the door.
Speaker 3: See.
Speaker 2: He goes over and he kind of like unlatches the
Speaker 2: door and he opens it and he looks inside.
Speaker 6: There's nobody in there.
Speaker 2: However, he pulls something out and holds it up and
Speaker 2: it was the missing alarm clock.
Speaker 1: No, wait a second, So not only did the ghost
Speaker 1: take the alarm clock and hide it in there, but
Speaker 1: they also turned the alarm off because it never went off.
Speaker 6: Well, it was unplugged. It was one of this plugged
Speaker 6: in ones. It wasn't like a battery operator once.
Speaker 2: Oh it was one of the okay, yeah, yeah, So
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, weird. But at the same time
Speaker 2: I wasn't really I didn't really think that much about it.
Speaker 6: Now, mind you, other people were.
Speaker 2: Living in the house, like I said, but I didn't
Speaker 2: really know anybody.
Speaker 6: I was like, oh, maybe someone it was a prank.
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 2: So, so, okay, I should preface this next thing with
Speaker 2: so I identify as a queer witch. I felt drawn to this,
Speaker 2: you know, very early on, like at the age of ten,
Speaker 2: I found some life practical Candle Magic book but by
Speaker 2: Ray Buckland in the bookstore, and I had to be
Speaker 2: like really sneaky with it in my home because they
Speaker 2: were Catholic.
Speaker 6: But I really kind of like looked into it.
Speaker 2: And I remember I pitched out some like red and
Speaker 2: white Christmas candles for.
Speaker 6: My parents based and I used to set up these.
Speaker 2: Candles and like rituals described in the book, and like
Speaker 2: the woods.
Speaker 6: Behind my parents how cute. I was really kind of
Speaker 6: like living my best fantasy.
Speaker 2: I was living, like, yeah, I think I even at
Speaker 2: one point stole a choir rogue from school and like dress.
Speaker 6: Up like the pictures of the witches in the book
Speaker 6: and experimentation.
Speaker 2: So in the Burnheim house, I always had like to
Speaker 2: send somebody watching. I don't know, it's just like a
Speaker 2: scary feeling. So one night I figured I'd be like,
Speaker 2: why don't we try one of these candles fells down
Speaker 2: in the basement, because why not?
Speaker 6: And I was by myself, so I you know, I
Speaker 6: laid up candles.
Speaker 2: I did a little thing, but I don't remember actually
Speaker 2: getting anything from that.
Speaker 6: At all, Like nothing happened.
Speaker 2: However, I think it wasn't that night, but it was
Speaker 2: probably like a couple of nights after that little like
Speaker 2: fell experimentation, and after rehearsal, like a bunch of people
Speaker 2: went over to I think it was like the freshman
Speaker 2: door and they had some big party, and you know,
Speaker 2: I came back and I went to bed after rehearsal.
Speaker 2: You know, I was like forty before I was nineteen.
Speaker 2: In the middle of the night, I remember I woke
Speaker 2: up and I have this horrible feeling of being pinned
Speaker 2: down to the bed, as if someone was just like
Speaker 2: all of their weight was on me. And then this
Speaker 2: voice whispering in my ear, very very very fast, and
Speaker 2: I couldn't make out with what was being said. I
Speaker 2: remember it really vividly because it was a feeling where
Speaker 2: you could actually steel the air from someone's mouth speaking
Speaker 2: in your ear.
Speaker 6: So I get out of bed.
Speaker 2: I turn all the lights, like really discombobulated, but there's nothing.
Speaker 6: There's nothing, so.
Speaker 1: You were able to like break out of this thing
Speaker 1: that was holding you down.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was just kind of like a little bit
Speaker 6: of a fog. All the lights are on. So I
Speaker 6: I went back to the death I tried to fall
Speaker 6: back asleep with all the lights on, and I remember it.
Speaker 6: It took a very very long time for me to
Speaker 6: even like fall back, like a very very bright room.
Speaker 2: So that was the first time it happened. It happened again,
Speaker 2: Oh god, And I remember this was like a night
Speaker 2: or two later. I can't remember the time. Like I said,
Speaker 2: the roommate wasn't staying over.
Speaker 6: I woke up again. I was pinned to the bed.
Speaker 6: There's that intense whispering in my ear. The only thing
Speaker 6: is that this time I saw something.
Speaker 1: What did you see?
Speaker 2: There was this tallish figure standing inside the room.
Speaker 6: The lights weren't on.
Speaker 2: It was up against the door leading into the room,
Speaker 2: and I felt pinned down to the bed. I kind
Speaker 2: of threw myself out of the bed. I again turned
Speaker 2: all the lights on.
Speaker 6: And I was done.
Speaker 8: So I grabbed the pants, I grabbed the car keys,
Speaker 8: and I ran out of the house. I got into
Speaker 8: my car and I drove forty five minutes home for
Speaker 8: my parents out wait.
Speaker 1: But so this thing like it was like a tall
Speaker 1: like what like black shadow?
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: It was very shadowy because there was no there's no
Speaker 2: light in the room except the light that was coming
Speaker 2: in through the window.
Speaker 6: I remember feeling like this was very much like you know.
Speaker 6: I hate to.
Speaker 2: Gender this, but it did feel like some kind of
Speaker 2: like masculine thing.
Speaker 1: Oh that was Oscar Burn High.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I drove home to my parents
Speaker 2: and I stayed and I can neute it for the
Speaker 2: rest of the couple of weeks that remained until that
Speaker 2: full year started, and then I finally.
Speaker 6: Lived in the freshman dorm. I refused to stay in
Speaker 6: that house.
Speaker 1: Did that roommate ever have anything to say?
Speaker 6: They never came back, They never stayed there again. I
Speaker 6: think they only stayed there for that.
Speaker 2: Night, and I think it was maybe one other night,
Speaker 2: but they never came back again after.
Speaker 6: I don't believe that knocking experience.
Speaker 1: Wow, So did you tell the other people in the house, like,
Speaker 1: was there any other talk of stuff happening or is
Speaker 1: it mainly just that room?
Speaker 6: Okay, so there's another piece of the story.
Speaker 2: There was this one friend of mine, Jessica, who was
Speaker 2: Jessica was going to be a senior when I was
Speaker 2: a freshman. Jessica was on their way out and I
Speaker 2: remember telling Jessica about this, and Jessica was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: that was probably Oscar.
Speaker 6: I'm like, well, wait a second, I can't be that easy.
Speaker 6: Have you ever had like an experience with those, have you?
Speaker 6: You know, they're like, well, not like.
Speaker 2: Directly, but they they've always said that there was this
Speaker 2: feeling of something else that's in here, and they've always
Speaker 2: heard whispers about the ghosts.
Speaker 6: Of Oscar Vernheim.
Speaker 2: Now, whether whether it was kind of rumorish or whatever,
Speaker 2: I'm not really sure whether or not it was, because
Speaker 2: I kind of, like, you know, tried to make some contacts.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but there was definitely it wasn't something
Speaker 2: like people well Jessica wasn't shocked by it, I should say, yeah, And.
Speaker 1: It was only ever at night. It was like not
Speaker 1: daytime stuff.
Speaker 2: Well, no, I mean I during the day, and like
Speaker 2: when I would come back, I think it was like
Speaker 2: when they'd go lunch break or something, or like when
Speaker 2: I would do launching down in the basement, there's always.
Speaker 6: A feeling that like someone else was in there.
Speaker 2: And I think I do remember a time when it
Speaker 2: actually had called up the basement scares to ask if
Speaker 2: someone was upstairs, and no one responded. So it was
Speaker 2: kind of this a little bit ongoing. But I remember
Speaker 2: these particular things stood out the most.
Speaker 6: For me because they were just really present.
Speaker 2: Booo.
Speaker 3: It's probably a lot of years later.
Speaker 6: I was wondering to myself, could it have been sleep paralysis?
Speaker 6: But the thing about that is.
Speaker 2: Is I've never experienced sleep paralysis before, and I never
Speaker 2: experienced it after that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, We've talked about this before on the show, where
Speaker 1: it seems like there's rooms where these experience has happened,
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, maybe it was sleep paralysis, but like,
Speaker 1: why is it only happening in those rooms? To me,
Speaker 1: like that is beyond just some kind of thing that
Speaker 1: happens to everyone when they sleep, Like that's that's some
Speaker 1: Oscar Sondheim or whatever his name Bernheim.
Speaker 2: I want to tell you about this piece of information
Speaker 2: I found because I you know, when I was thinking
Speaker 2: about this, I wanted to go back and do some
Speaker 2: a little bit of researchers to check it in with
Speaker 2: some of the dates about the how so the how
Speaker 2: I think I mentioned it was demolished in nineteen ninety seven,
Speaker 2: and they demolished it to build a whole new sort
Speaker 2: of multimillion dollar theater expansion, so they raised it to
Speaker 2: the ground. Looked like a little over a year and
Speaker 2: a half after this. But when I was doing research
Speaker 2: to kind of figure out some dates. I found a
Speaker 2: little piece of information in the archive of Miihlenburgh College. Now,
Speaker 2: whether this is sure or not, who knows, But they
Speaker 2: say that Oscar Burnheim died in that room on the
Speaker 2: third floor in nineteen forty six.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: I wonder though, like why he wouldn't want you to
Speaker 1: wake up, Like why he wanted to hide your alarm clock,
Speaker 1: and like what, like what's that all about? Is he
Speaker 1: just being flirty?
Speaker 6: It gives me trick survives. I mean, I don't I
Speaker 6: don't know Oscar personally.
Speaker 1: Oscar sounds like a silly bitch. I'm sorry, Oscar was silly.
Speaker 2: I wonder he thought Oscar might have been a hoo
Speaker 2: because some of the some of the stuff that I
Speaker 2: read of was Oscar loved his rose garden out doc
Speaker 2: and would constantly be tending the roses.
Speaker 6: I'm like, oh, I wonder if this is the homo.
Speaker 1: Now, come on something, it's not only homos and women that.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I just I just pictured that lovely gentleman
Speaker 2: tending to roses.
Speaker 6: Or maybe he's a I don't know.
Speaker 1: You never know. It could could be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but it's unfortunate they leveled the house. But
Speaker 2: I've also heard every once in a while that there's
Speaker 2: been chatter about ocstur Burnheim's spirits still kind of being
Speaker 2: around the area.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, he had to go somewhere. I say, you
Speaker 1: go back there and you figure out was he a homo?
Speaker 6: I said planner? I said, plan a rose bush.
Speaker 1: Plan a rose bush. See how he feels about that,
Speaker 1: and if he likes it, I guess we know he
Speaker 1: was gay. Well, John, thank you so much for sharing
Speaker 1: this with me. I have to go hop on another call,
Speaker 1: but this was wonderful.
Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you so much for having me on here.
Speaker 1: All Right, I see you later. Okay, thanks John. Okay, Last,
Speaker 1: but not least, it's Casey. And Casey's one of these
Speaker 1: people whose family has just lived with a ghost, as
Speaker 1: if it's like having a Labrador Retriever Golden Retriever. I
Speaker 1: don't know dogs very well, but you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, it's just part of the family. Yeah
Speaker 1: that sometimes the ghost just comes and goes and they
Speaker 1: still live with it. And there's a moment where I
Speaker 1: really get shocked when I discover that during this conversation.
Speaker 1: So here we go. Time for some Casey. I am
Speaker 1: joined by Casey and Vermont. Hi Kasey, Hello, Raz Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to hear about your family home. What's this
Speaker 1: all about?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so, my parents purchased their house in two thousand
Speaker 5: and five, and it was built in the nineteen seventies
Speaker 5: and homely been owned by three other families before we
Speaker 5: bought it. But before we bought it, the previous owners
Speaker 5: were renting it out to college students and they did
Speaker 5: a ton of damage to the house, unspeknown to the
Speaker 5: owner who lived out of state. So we couldn't actually
Speaker 5: move into the house for about a month after we
Speaker 5: purchased it because we had to make repairs, replace flooring
Speaker 5: and paint. And after we moved into the house, the
Speaker 5: word kind of started getting around our small town that
Speaker 5: we had bought this house and moved in, and people
Speaker 5: around town were like coming up to us when we
Speaker 5: were out and about running errands, being like, I heard
Speaker 5: you bought the colonel's house.
Speaker 1: The colonel sanders, yeah, right right, We're like okay, colonel great, Yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: we bought that house.
Speaker 5: And then we actually had a family friend who actually
Speaker 5: knew the colonel. So the colonel built the house. She
Speaker 5: knew him while she was growing up, and so she
Speaker 5: remembered him building this house, and I guess it was
Speaker 5: like a big deal in our town when this house
Speaker 5: was built back in the seventies. And then she informed
Speaker 5: us that he actually took his own life in the
Speaker 5: house in the eighties. So we were like, well, that's
Speaker 5: a little creepy, but okay. And then after we moved in,
Speaker 5: activity pretty much started. Like right away, we installed some
Speaker 5: gates to keep the dogs on the first floor so
Speaker 5: they couldn't go up to the second floor because we
Speaker 5: hadn't replaced the flooring up there yet. And at night,
Speaker 5: for the first few weeks after the gates were up,
Speaker 5: it would sound like someone was holding onto the gates
Speaker 5: and shaking them really violently because they were metal gates,
Speaker 5: like they were trying to like take them down or something.
Speaker 5: My sister was the first to hear it. She said
Speaker 5: it sounded like a toddler holding onto the gate and
Speaker 5: like throwing a tantrum. And it wasn't the dogs, because
Speaker 5: the dogs slept upstairs with.
Speaker 1: Me, and I mean it couldn't have been wind. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was like there was no explanation.
Speaker 5: It was just no no explanation for it.
Speaker 1: It's the Colonel, I'm convinced already, but let's go.
Speaker 5: Yeah. So, my older sister was living at home at
Speaker 5: the time, and she regularly got home from work after
Speaker 5: midnight when everyone was already in bed. So one night
Speaker 5: she got home, went up to her room, she got
Speaker 5: into bed, and she was laying down with her back
Speaker 5: to the bedroom door, and then she heard the bedroom
Speaker 5: door open. A little while later, and it's very distinct sound.
Speaker 5: The doorknob squeaks, the door drags across the carpet, and
Speaker 5: then she heard someone go, hey.
Speaker 1: Okay, you genuinely just scared me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So she turned around and went what thinking it
Speaker 5: was our mom and like, why are you up? And
Speaker 5: no one was there, Colonel, I know that same sister.
Speaker 5: She was also the one to the first one of
Speaker 5: us to see an actual apparition in the house. She
Speaker 5: and I were in the driveway and we were leaving
Speaker 5: to go run errand and she looked over at our
Speaker 5: garage and it's a three stall garage and all three
Speaker 5: doors were open because it was a funny summer day.
Speaker 5: My dad was cleaning, and she said Hey, Dad, we're
Speaker 5: going to the store. Do you need anything? And I
Speaker 5: looked over at the garage and I was like, no
Speaker 5: one's there. Dad's not that's not even home. He just left.
Speaker 5: And She's like, no, I just saw him in the garage.
Speaker 5: And she swear she saw a man standing in our garage.
Speaker 5: And the way she could only describe him was he
Speaker 5: was wearing jeans, and that's why she thought it was
Speaker 5: our dad.
Speaker 3: But when I looked over, no one was there.
Speaker 1: Were you guys the kind of people that believed in
Speaker 1: goes when you moved in and heard all.
Speaker 5: Those I always had. I think my parents were definitely skeptical,
Speaker 5: because you know, they're religious, And but my mom started
Speaker 5: having experiences too, so's she believes. My dad still thinks
Speaker 5: we're awful of crap. He thinks it's not true, okay,
Speaker 5: but all of us have had experiences, so we're definitely
Speaker 5: believers now.
Speaker 6: If we weren't before.
Speaker 1: What else happened?
Speaker 5: So my younger sister, she was home alone, and she
Speaker 5: was sitting at our kitchen table, and that kitchen table
Speaker 5: faces this sliding glass door, and it was dark out,
Speaker 5: and she happened to look up and in the reflection
Speaker 5: of the sliding glass door. She saw a man walk
Speaker 5: behind her from our family room into our kitchen, and
Speaker 5: she said she couldn't really make out what he looked
Speaker 5: like or what he was wearing, but it was a
Speaker 5: very distinct figure of a man, and she was the
Speaker 5: only one at home at that time. One of the
Speaker 5: craziest things that ever happened was my mom had a
Speaker 5: watch go missing, and she couldn't find it for a week.
Speaker 5: She looked everywhere for it, and then after a while,
Speaker 5: she one day went into the kitchen cabinet where we
Speaker 5: keep our coffee cups, and as you can imagine, that's
Speaker 5: a cabinet that gets opened multiple times a day. People
Speaker 5: are always in and out of that cabinet, and she
Speaker 5: found the watch just sitting there, laying very neatly on
Speaker 5: the edge of the kitchen cabinet, where anyone would see
Speaker 5: it had they been in that cabinet at all in
Speaker 5: the past three weeks that this watch i'd been missing.
Speaker 1: Colonel, What are you doing, colonel?
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's not the first time we've had like
Speaker 5: jewelry or accessories go missing.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: I had a ring go missing, and then I found
Speaker 5: it in a shoe in my closet. Just weird things
Speaker 5: like that all used to happen all the time. That
Speaker 5: doesn't happen so much anymore.
Speaker 1: Oh, you guys still have this in the family.
Speaker 5: Oh ros I'm in the house right now. I'm in
Speaker 5: the basement of the house right now.
Speaker 1: Okay, So what happens nowadays?
Speaker 5: Well, so, I've been touched many times, usually just like
Speaker 5: a light touch on my shoulder. But one time I
Speaker 5: was laying in bed and it felt like a hand
Speaker 5: wrapped around my ankle and pulled, and I actually slid
Speaker 5: down the bed a little bit. And that freaked me
Speaker 5: out so much, not because like I thought it was
Speaker 5: a threatening move, but whoever's in the house, If it's
Speaker 5: the colonel, I believe it's the colonel. He had never
Speaker 5: done anything like that before, and I was like, is
Speaker 5: he trying to warn me about something? And I actually
Speaker 5: like got up and went and checked like our wood
Speaker 5: stove to make sure nothing was like on fire, because
Speaker 5: it was just such a weird event that had never
Speaker 5: happened before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, what is his vibe?
Speaker 3: You know, he's pretty chill.
Speaker 5: Actually, We've never once felt threatened by him. I think
Speaker 5: it's more about he just wants to be acknowledged, and
Speaker 5: we've always kind of gotten the sense like he's really
Speaker 5: grateful that a family was living in the house now
Speaker 5: and not college students tearing it apart every weekend, and
Speaker 5: that we that we actually like fixed up some of
Speaker 5: the house. There's actually still projects to this day that
Speaker 5: have to be done from damage to the house, but
Speaker 5: we work on it little by little.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it'd be interesting to know if the college
Speaker 1: students had these experiences, yeah, or you know, there's also
Speaker 1: that common theory of once you start doing renovations, you
Speaker 1: can wake up the spirits, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So my sister actually knew the guys that had
Speaker 5: been living in the house. Her friend was dating one
Speaker 5: of him, and that's actually how we found out the
Speaker 5: house was for sale, and they had told her they
Speaker 5: had had some experiences. She never got any like definite stories,
Speaker 5: but just like hearing things, because we hear footsteps all
Speaker 5: the time in the house, like all the time coming
Speaker 5: down the stairs, walking across the floor, like it's just
Speaker 5: a constant thing in the house and we've kind of
Speaker 5: gotten used to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So you guys have been here for almost twenty
Speaker 1: years at this point, Yeah, you just get used to it.
Speaker 1: It's like no big deal, not a big deal.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, Oh that's just colonel. Like this weekend,
Speaker 5: we had opened up the double doors on the front
Speaker 5: of the house because we were bringing a new oven in,
Speaker 5: and we opened them up and then we had to
Speaker 5: close them because we weren't going to do what we
Speaker 5: were doing just yet. And then we went back to
Speaker 5: open them again and we could only get one door
Speaker 5: to open, and we were like, that's a little weird
Speaker 5: because this one was just open, and we like played
Speaker 5: around with it for a minute, and then we tried again.
Speaker 5: It opened just fine, like nothing was wrong, and we
Speaker 5: were like, oh, must have been the colonel. Like whenever
Speaker 5: weird things like happen like that, we're like, oh, maybe
Speaker 5: it was the colonel. Who knows, and we just kind
Speaker 5: of move on with our day.
Speaker 1: And this whole time, your dad claims that he has
Speaker 1: never had experiences.
Speaker 5: That's what he claims. He doesn't believe in any of this,
Speaker 5: even with all of our stories. I'm like, I think
Speaker 5: you're in denial.
Speaker 1: I bet you if you gave him a couple of
Speaker 1: pina coladas one night, he would tell you some stories.
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe I should I should try that. You know.
Speaker 5: One time we were sitting I was sitting in the
Speaker 5: living room watching TV and we had an entertainment center
Speaker 5: and the door to the entertainments that are started to
Speaker 5: swing clothes, and I was just like annoyed and exasperated
Speaker 5: that that was happening. So I just went Colonel, knock
Speaker 5: it off, and the door swung back open. One of
Speaker 5: my favorite stories because he was kind of like, oh,
Speaker 5: sorry and just opened it back up again.
Speaker 1: Gosh, I mean, yeah, it's so fascinating to me, like
Speaker 1: just coexisting for all these years. What would you say?
Speaker 1: I know, this is like an impossible thing to answer,
Speaker 1: kind of, but like, are we talking once a day,
Speaker 1: once a month? Like how often is the Colonel making
Speaker 1: himself known?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean we'll go a really long stretch with
Speaker 5: nothing really happening in the house. Maybe footsteps every now
Speaker 5: and then, but even then like not a lot, and
Speaker 5: then it's like all of a sudden, he's like, oh,
Speaker 5: I'm back, and he starts doing things again. Like I
Speaker 5: was fully prepared to get on this call and tell
Speaker 5: you like, yeah, I haven't really had anything happen in
Speaker 5: the last couple of weeks. He's been kind of quiet.
Speaker 5: But just this past weekend, I was again I was
Speaker 5: alone in the house, and I was standing in the
Speaker 5: four yer the entrance way, and from the kitchen I
Speaker 5: heard a man like clear his throat like and I
Speaker 5: was like, oh, Dad, are you home? And no one,
Speaker 5: no one was in the house.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: He just likes to pop up every now and then
Speaker 5: just remind us that he's here.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'm like still shook that you are
Speaker 1: like in the house right now. I think it's because
Speaker 1: I bet I keep talking to people that are telling
Speaker 1: me stories from like their past or whatever, and you're like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: I'm actively with the colonel.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I'm sitting right in the basement, you know,
Speaker 5: in the house that he built. And I don't live
Speaker 5: here anymore, but I regularly come here just to help
Speaker 5: my parents with projects or anything like that. But it's
Speaker 5: really just not uncommon to be sitting in the living
Speaker 5: room and you know, here footsteps go across on the
Speaker 5: second floor, or a cup gets knocked off in the
Speaker 5: kitchen on the counter, and I always want to be like,
Speaker 5: could you pick that up? Why are you knocking shit over?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: But he never does. He doesn't clean.
Speaker 1: I always wonder how much that kind of a thing is,
Speaker 1: Like are they trying to get your attention or are
Speaker 1: they trying to be koy or sly or whatever and
Speaker 1: they accidentally bump into something and they're like ah shit
Speaker 1: and then it falls over.
Speaker 5: Yeah, sometimes I think it's it's the second one. But
Speaker 5: sometimes when things fall over, like it's just it can't
Speaker 5: be an accident, you know. I think if he's trying
Speaker 5: to get his attention, get our attention, just even just
Speaker 5: just be like, hey, I'm here, Yeah, don't forget about me.
Speaker 5: It's like, well, we couldn't forget about you if we tried, so.
Speaker 1: Well, Casey, this is great. Thanks for sharing this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you wanted to share? While I got.
Speaker 5: Ya maybe the only other thing that ever happened to
Speaker 5: me that I was really like, oh, that was so weird.
Speaker 5: As I was standing in the doorway of my parents'
Speaker 5: bedroom and I had my back to the bedroom and
Speaker 5: I was looking out into the hallway behind me, I
Speaker 5: heard like, oh, like a whistle, like hey, get out
Speaker 5: of my way, and I'd like turned to the side,
Speaker 5: thinking like oh, maybe my dad was in the bathroom,
Speaker 5: and I didn't know it, but no one was there
Speaker 5: behind me. The room was totally empty. That was one
Speaker 5: that kind of like raised my hair a little bit, like, oh, Colonel,
Speaker 5: that was creepy. Can you not do that please?
Speaker 1: It's so crazy to me that he like can kind
Speaker 1: of talk like, Yeah, it's so weird.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know. My sisters say they've heard like conversations
Speaker 5: happening in other parts of the house and then they
Speaker 5: go look and no one's there. It's just yeah, strange things,
Speaker 5: but never threatening, never crazy scary.
Speaker 1: I mean getting pulled by the ankle and bed that's well, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not something that I would consider I wouldn't consider
Speaker 1: that relaxing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can see how some people wouldn't like that.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, Casey, if anything else crazy happens now
Speaker 1: that you've talked about him on a podcast, you let
Speaker 1: me know.
Speaker 5: I will probably something will happen as sin as we
Speaker 5: hang up, cause I've been talking about him.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: Well, good luck with that. Thank you so much to John,
Speaker 1: John Morgan and Casey.
Speaker 3: Again.
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