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Speaker 1: What's that at the foot of my bed? It's spooky. Hey, juky,

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Speaker 1: I'm really sure it's dead. It's coming this way.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, Hey, I ghosted.

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Speaker 1: I gos nandas Pllease hey boo. It's me Raz and

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Speaker 1: welcome to Ghosted by Raz Hernandez, the podcast where I

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Speaker 1: like to talk to people that I like, including you,

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Speaker 1: the listeners, about things that make me go, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: who are you people? How did you find me? It's

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Speaker 1: another listener phone call extravaganza, which you know I love

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Speaker 1: every time the listeners call in, you know, they always

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Speaker 1: bring it. And as always, the invitation is open for

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Speaker 1: you to submit your stories to the show. You just

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Speaker 1: email Ghosted by rozat gmail dot com with the subject

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Speaker 1: line listener episode, and then just give me some brief

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Speaker 1: bullet points of the kind of stories we would talk

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Speaker 1: about and we'll take it from there. This is an

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Speaker 1: action packed episode, so I say we just get right

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Speaker 1: into it. Let's toss it on over to my conversation

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Speaker 1: now with John. Now, John is one of these people

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Speaker 1: that lived in a haunted house. Can you believe it

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Speaker 1: got a lot of haunted houses, a lot of haunted

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Speaker 1: homes on this week's episode. So here we go. First

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Speaker 1: phone call, take it away, John. Oh my god, it's

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Speaker 1: John from California. Yeah, Hello John, how's it going.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Roz, I'm doing great. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, thanks for doing this. Hang on a second.

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Speaker 1: You've been watching the TV show I'm on.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I've been binging it. I've been listening to your

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Speaker 3: podcast for a couple of months now, and the minute

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Speaker 3: I heard about the show, I waited anxiously for it

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Speaker 3: to start. And I've been watching that and then listening

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Speaker 3: to your interviews with the cast members in between. So

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Speaker 3: it's been kind of a fun experience to hear your

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Speaker 2: Cute.

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Speaker 1: Well, it seems like you are no stranger to going

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Speaker 1: to haunted places. Now, what is the deal with this?

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Speaker 1: So you spent a bunch of time. Did you grow

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Speaker 3: Yeah? About eighth grade. So back in ninety six, my

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Speaker 3: The man was a carpenter and had done a bunch

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Speaker 1: What happened.

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Speaker 3: So there's been lots of little different occurrences, but over

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Speaker 3: the years when we were there, oftentimes we would hear

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Speaker 3: There's no excuse for it, but we could definitely hear

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Speaker 1: What So, do you think that since they couldn't be

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Speaker 3: Well it's funny because, you know, my dad, after all

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Speaker 1: It's very beetle Jews.

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Speaker 3: Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they like came back and they're like, who are

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Speaker 3: Totally. I mean, we didn't have anything super negative happened,

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, So what other kind of stuff would happen?

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Speaker 3: We would hear that thing knocking, like quietly, sometimes not

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Speaker 3: That was a little scary, but still nothing like too bad.

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Speaker 1: But do you feel like they liked you guys being there?

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Speaker 3: I think so. The only scary thing that kind of

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Speaker 3: And my dad was like, that's so bizarre because I

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Speaker 1: It's so beatlejuice. It's so these people learning how to

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Speaker 3: Totally, totally. Like the other dream that I'll mention is

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Speaker 3: Just a quick background, my husband has kind of has

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Speaker 3: And so we've got this kind of like funky sleep

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Speaker 1: Experiences and this was in the house.

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Speaker 3: This is in the house as well.

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Speaker 3: Totally, if not a dream. When when you turn to

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Speaker 1: I love a shared dream situation. Those are such good stories.

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Speaker 1: Did anybody ever like I mean, you said your parents

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Speaker 1: Hang on a second. So he just mistook it as

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, that one's fun. My husband again, I swear,

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Speaker 3: One footprint, Like you could see the five toes, you

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Speaker 3: But the thing just sat there for months. It didn't

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Speaker 1: You know what a big ghost foot means. That means big,

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, after that, I was hoping you visit my dreams.

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Speaker 1: You go wave to me ghosts man exactly. So is

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Speaker 3: No, we uh, we moved. We've all kind of migrated

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Speaker 3: I had one more thing I'm going to mention. I

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Speaker 6: Of spoofed this out to well.

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Speaker 1: In La that's like the Murder Tours of like Hollywood is.

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Speaker 1: The company is called the Grave Line Tours.

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Speaker 3: So we had another place that my husband and I

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Speaker 3: often often hear little little feet, like kid's feet, running

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Speaker 3: to me and there was a little girl hunched over me.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, you know what. I I do that all

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Speaker 1: I wasn't doing that. That's exactly what she did.

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Speaker 3: You like cleaning something out of your teeth and then

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. That happens to me constantly, exactly. Yeah, that is

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I don't know your sister, but I

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Speaker 3: Right, so maybe it was my sister. I don't know

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Speaker 3: that one's That one's a far fetch I guess.

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Speaker 1: Well. Hey, thanks so much for joining me. These have

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Speaker 1: been some great stories.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: If the little girl comes back, give me a call

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Speaker 1: me all about it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. It was really fun.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Bye to care.

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Speaker 1: Thank you John. Next up, it's Morgan. Oh this one.

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Speaker 1: You get yourself a nice cute lease and an apartment,

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Speaker 1: but it's a lease with the deceased. Time to call

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Speaker 1: a priest. Talk to me, Morgan. I am now joined

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Speaker 1: by Morgan in Seattle. Hello, Morgan, how's it going?

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Speaker 5: Hello?

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Speaker 3: Hello?

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Speaker 1: What is the deal with this haunted apartment building?

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Speaker 7: Yeah? So this like definitely made a believer out of me.

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Speaker 4: I think I'd never been like closed off to the

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Speaker 7: Happened to be living there.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 4: So I moved into this apartment building when I lived

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Speaker 4: things are like happening rapidly. I've noticed little things here

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Speaker 1: Who the old man?

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Speaker 4: Uh No, I guess there was like other people in

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Speaker 4: things that had happened, like there was always one end

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Speaker 4: And just on Halloween, I came home for a party

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Speaker 7: I'm like, okay, what do you mean?

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Speaker 7: And I was just like.

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Speaker 4: Okay, not tonight, and I'm not gonna do this right now.

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Speaker 4: And I just like I tailed it to my apartment,

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Speaker 1: And of course this happens on Halloween, right, They're like

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Speaker 4: Yes, And then there's just been times like were you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's this one unit and the psychic medium I'll

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Speaker 4: I'm like, tell me about it, tell me, of course,

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Speaker 4: I tried to cleanse the space once and the front

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Speaker 7: I'm like, oh, wow, that sounds really scary.

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Speaker 1: If I was a psychic medium, I would not want

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Speaker 4: Yes, exactly, exactly, but like she was really religious and

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Speaker 4: so much that she tried to like end her life there,

438
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 4: and she was just missing for a while. And then

439
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 4: she came back from the hospital and she was no

440
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 4: longer able to live there because of her attempt, which

441
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 4: happened in the apartment. So then that apartment was empty

442
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 4: for a while. And then this man moves into this

443
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 4: apartment and this becomes the man that I started dating

444
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 4: during COVID.

445
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 7: Oh, so it was like a kind of convenience dating thing.

446
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 4: But he was like there and he was charming, and

447
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 4: he was like, you know the way I kind of

448
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 4: spent my time for six months.

449
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 1: Did you get to be the person from the movie

450
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 1: that's like, you know, people leave this apartment because it's haunted?

451
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 1: Is that how you met him?

452
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,360
Speaker 4: I mean kind of he brought me sushi one day.

453
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 4: It was just like a cute like love bombing thing.

454
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 4: But like Kiki like got to him on day one,

455
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 4: just like me and just had to tell him about

456
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 4: how like how haunted this apartment he'd been waiting to

457
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 4: move into was and he's like mm hmm, okay. You

458
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 4: know he's a very like level headed, skeptical man. Okay,

459
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 4: And so I start hanging out there more. He's like, yeah,

460
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 4: you know, I had some problems moving in. He's like,

461
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 4: all of the things that I was hanging up on

462
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 4: the wall, I'd put it up and then I wake

463
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 4: up in the next morning and it was all on

464
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 4: the ground. Either someone had said it on the ground

465
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 4: or it had woke him up because it was falling off.

466
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 4: And so the point where he had to like mount

467
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 4: with like more intense hardware to keep things on.

468
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: What are we talking like picture frames or TVs.

469
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 4: Picture frames, large canvases, shelving units. There was like a

470
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 4: shelving unit. And this guy is like an engineer, so

471
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 4: it's not you know, he doesn't know how to use

472
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 4: anchors and hang things.

473
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 7: Up properly like me.

474
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 6: Same.

475
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it was things that shouldn't be falling off,

476
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 4: and so I'm like, okay, like that's that's kind of weird.

477
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 4: But this is a like really bright, nice apartment. This

478
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 4: is not like you walk in and you're creeped out.

479
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 4: So things started like slowly kind of developing more. I

480
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 4: came over to his house one morning. I was walking

481
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 4: down there and his front door was open. I was like, dude,

482
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 4: like you left the front door to your apartment open.

483
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 4: He's like, oh, well, like in the middle of the night,

484
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 4: I heard banging on the door and I thought it

485
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 4: was you. So I like got up half asleep and

486
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 4: unlocked the door so that you could come in. And

487
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 4: I was like, that was not me.

488
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: It was Kiki. Kiki was trying to get in there.

489
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 6: Ki whatever.

490
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 7: But yeah, I mean it's a locked building.

491
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 4: There's no way to get in, but there's only thirteen

492
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 4: units up there. It's it's like very small. It was

493
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 4: built in like nineteen thirty and there's some shops below.

494
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 4: And I'm like, that was not me. And so later

495
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 4: that night we were in his bedroom. I was helping

496
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 4: him kind of full his laundry, and I think I

497
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 4: had maybe had like one cocktail, you know, and at

498
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 4: some point we both passed out cold and did not

499
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,719
Speaker 4: wake out up until the next day. It had like

500
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 4: and I woke up like just in a really strange position,

501
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 4: and we were both like what happened? And like, prior

502
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,439
Speaker 4: to that, the room had gotten like very cold, and

503
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 4: we're like, I'm like, what is happening?

504
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 7: And then we just passed out what And it.

505
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 4: Was a really strange situation, and like I didn't go

506
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 4: back a couple of days.

507
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 7: It was like this is this is weird.

508
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 4: And then things like started to really heat up more

509
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 4: after that. Like we would wake up in the morning

510
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 4: and the ceiling fan would be swinging back and forth

511
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 4: to the point that the blades were scraping the ceiling,

512
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 4: and then you would see the ceiling fan slowly just

513
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 4: kind of stabilize and then stopped raping the ceiling and

514
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 4: that was scary because that was directly above the bed,

515
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 4: so like whatever was in here, it was like tricky

516
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 4: but also threatening.

517
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 7: There were like some really strange dreams I.

518
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 4: Had in that apartment, and then there was like one

519
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 4: night where I was just laying there, I woke up

520
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 4: suddenly and felt such an oppressive energy that I had

521
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 4: this like full range like panic attack that I'm like,

522
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 4: I'm not a pandemic since all the teenager, you know,

523
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 4: and it was something that I had never experienced before.

524
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 7: And he started to.

525
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 4: Tell me things like, you know, things are like very

526
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 4: weird in here. He's like I'm having more problems with walls.

527
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 4: He would pass out in the living room sometimes and

528
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 4: wake up at like three two am and just feel

529
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 4: like there was something kind of standing over him, like

530
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 4: an oppressive force. And this is like not like a

531
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 4: spooky like someone who's like into spooky stuff.

532
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: Now, why were you guys not sleeping at your place?

533
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: That's what I would have done, you know.

534
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 7: He didn't like my bed was the one it was.

535
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 4: He didn't like my bed. I'm like, look, you know,

536
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 4: so we would stay over there. I stopped sleeping over there.

537
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 4: It was just too much for me to handle, like emotionally.

538
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 4: There's this one area of the apartment that's like a closet,

539
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 4: and the closet, according to Kiki, is a portal, and

540
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 4: that's where he would like set up his little workshop

541
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 4: and he would go in there and he'd be just

542
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 4: like hyper focus to the point where he would like

543
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 4: not even like acknowledge me, and he would be in

544
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 4: there for hours and then just get out and be

545
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 4: like very spacey, very grumpy and just kind of like

546
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 4: not himself. Things started to kind of amp up one

547
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:49,719
Speaker 4: night where I was at home, and uh, this has

548
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 4: happened twice.

549
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 7: I was the first time I happened.

550
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 4: I was at home, hadn't heard from him early that day,

551
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 4: and he comes like running down the hall and he

552
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 4: has like a towel on his hips and soap in

553
00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 4: his hair, and he's like, Morgan, there's something in my

554
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 4: back or something in my bathroom. I saw it standing

555
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 4: outside of my shower curtain, and I just got the

556
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 4: hell out of there. And I'm just like, dude, you

557
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 4: just ran like half naked down the hall, and this

558
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 4: is how like scared you are.

559
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: What did he see?

560
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 4: He said it was a dark silhouette standing on the

561
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 4: other side of his shower curtain and that it got

562
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 4: ice cold in his like shower room. I was like, dude,

563
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 4: I would have been too scared to get out, Like

564
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 4: I would just stayed there and cried.

565
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: Literally what do you even do? Like, yeah, oh my god.

566
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 4: At this point, I'm like, dude, like your apartment is

567
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 4: really haunted, like there's something going on here, and he's

568
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 4: still not like fully acknowledging it. So the next next

569
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 4: week I come and I bring like a black tormaline crystal,

570
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 4: which are like, you know, supposed to repel negative energy.

571
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 3: Whatever.

572
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, I got them all over this apartment.

573
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, so are like playing cards. It's like a normal evening.

574
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 4: Still have this weird relationship apartment. I still don't really

575
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 4: want to be in there at night anymore, like things changed,

576
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 4: like in our relationship even because it just is so weird.

577
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 4: And so we'll get done like playing cards. He's like,

578
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 4: go ah, I'm a shower, and he's like, i'll hit

579
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 4: you up later.

580
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 7: I'm like, okay, cool.

581
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 4: Before I left, I took this crystal and I set

582
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 4: it on top of a wine hutch where there was

583
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 4: a lit candle, like a safety candle, you know, And

584
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 4: I just set it up there and then I just left.

585
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 4: And was it like my intention to instigate whatever is

586
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 4: in there? But I definitely think that I did, And

587
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,479
Speaker 4: so I left. I went back to my apartment and

588
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 4: again he comes booking it down the hall in his towel,

589
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 4: soap in his air, and he's like, it happened again.

590
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 4: He's like, and then I heard crashing from the living room,

591
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 4: which is on the other side of the bathroom. He

592
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 4: goes out there. The candle has been thrown off of

593
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 4: the wine hutch. There's wax everywhere, and the crystal is gone,

594
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 4: like it's gone. I got in my hands and knees.

595
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 4: I looked everywhere for it and could not find it,

596
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 4: and so like, okay, wow, I kind of just pissed

597
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 4: something off here.

598
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 6: Clearly.

599
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: That's so scary to me because like in my mind,

600
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: if like a ghost or a bad energy or something

601
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: touches a Tourmaline, I don't know, it would get electric shocked,

602
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: or it would like burn its hand or I don't know,

603
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: like I wouldn't think in my mind, it's like not

604
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: supposed to be able to move it. It's supposed to

605
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: like keep it away.

606
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 4: Right right, which is what has me thinking that like

607
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 4: this whatever was in here was like not like a

608
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 4: human spirit. It's not the impression that I was getting

609
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 4: from whatever was in here. Yeah, And so that was

610
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 4: kind of the amping up point. And then not long

611
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 4: after that our relationship kind of ended for a number

612
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 4: of reasons, but it's just it just did not feel

613
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 4: good being in his presence or in his space anymore.

614
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 4: And several like weeks later there, like this is before

615
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 4: we officially broke up, I went in the house and

616
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 4: I thought, like, you know, I'm just gonna look for

617
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 4: it one more time, because maybe I'm crazy I looked.

618
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 3: I looked.

619
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 7: I got down my hands and knees again.

620
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 4: It was exactly in a spot where I know for

621
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,719
Speaker 4: certain that I looked, and it was back and it

622
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 4: was damaged and like cracked. The crystal itself was cracked.

623
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 4: And it was not like a poor quality tomally either.

624
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 4: It wouldn't have just happened from being dropped. It would

625
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 4: have had to like gone through some sort of distress.

626
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 4: So like I just scooped it up. I buried it

627
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 4: in the park, and I'm like, I'm just gonna leave

628
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 4: that there.

629
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: So you said this was twenty nineteen. Yeah, at this

630
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: point in the story. Has has it gotten to pandemic

631
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: time yet?

632
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 3: Yeah?

633
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 4: So I moved in there in twenty nineteen. He moved

634
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 4: in in twenty, like twenty twenty.

635
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: Oh my god. So being locked down with that.

636
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so like he is in this space, and

637
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 4: like when he moved out, I helped him move and

638
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 4: so I moved some carpets from the space. And when

639
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 4: we lifted up this giant carpet wherez I kid you not,

640
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 4: there was a human shaped dark stain on this hardwood floor.

641
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 7: It looked like.

642
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 4: A human man like laying on his side, in a

643
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 4: pool blood in this hardwood floor.

644
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: Eh, there definitely was somebody that was probably their dad

645
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: and decomposing there.

646
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 4: Oh, it was undeniably the shape of person. And then

647
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 4: there was in the bedroom too. There was also a

648
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 4: large dark stain in the hardwood floor. And typically like

649
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 4: you can get those up. I know because I called

650
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 4: the apartment people and like, does something happen here, and

651
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 4: they're like, oh, well, we took over management six years ago,

652
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 4: Like we don't know.

653
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: Oh the body was there when we found it, we

654
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: don't know.

655
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

656
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 7: I was like, oh great, great. Then I started having

657
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 7: problems in my apartment.

658
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 4: I was waking up for a three night span, and

659
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 4: I usually keep my space pretty clean, you know, I

660
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 4: have lots of like trinkets and you know, stuff in there,

661
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 4: so I my space had always been a safe haven

662
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 4: up until the Turmaline incident. I started waking up at

663
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 4: two three am and hearing like a female voice screaming

664
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 4: and it would go on for like a few seconds

665
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 4: and end. And I also started I have it on

666
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 4: I have a video recording it too. But I also

667
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 4: started hearing knocking in my walls and it would be

668
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 4: a rhythmic kind of the thump them like it was rhythmic.

669
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 4: And I would wake up at night hearing this or

670
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 4: be going to bed hearing this, and I'm like, it's

671
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 4: got it. Like I'm trying to tell myself, oh, you know,

672
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 4: maybe you know, maybe it's windy and something's on the roof.

673
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 4: But it was just became rhythmic. And so I'm hearing

674
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 4: the screaming at night. First night, I get up, I'm

675
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 4: really concerned. I'm thinking, like, is there someone being harmed

676
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 4: outside the building? Like I run out to like, look,

677
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 4: I have my phone. I'm getting ready to call in one.

678
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 4: Nothing's happening. Nothing's happening anywhere.

679
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,919
Speaker 1: And did it sound like it was outside or could

680
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: you really tell it was?

681
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 4: It was like detached. It was hard to like really

682
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 4: hear where it was coming from. But I assumed that

683
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 4: it was from outside because obviously there's nothing going on

684
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 4: in my bedroom, right, I kind of like hustle outside

685
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 4: and of course there's nothing there. And then it happens

686
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 4: again the next night, and then I tell Kiki about it,

687
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 4: and she's like, Morgan, I will come in and pray

688
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 4: for you. And so I was like great, And so

689
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 4: she came in and she said a little prayer in

690
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 4: my apartment and I smudged it and then it stopped.

691
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 4: But that went on for four nights, and like the

692
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 4: fourth night, like before I told Kiki about it, the

693
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 4: screaming went on for a lot longer, and it was

694
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 4: very prolonged, and it was like, pay attention to me.

695
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 4: It's also leaving for work one day and I saw,

696
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 4: like you know those little cabinets in old bathrooms where

697
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 4: you open them up and it's like a mem oh no,

698
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 4: uh oh. My cabinet opened and my toothbrush flew out

699
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 4: of the cabinet into my bathtub as I was like

700
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 4: leaving the house, and I was like, oh.

701
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 7: No, oh, I just left.

702
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 4: But I think, like just the biggest thing is like,

703
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 4: since I've not lived there, it's so just such a

704
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 4: different feeling being home. So I think it's just when

705
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 4: you don't live in a haunted space, you really notice

706
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 4: how much living in a haunted space has an impact

707
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 4: on you.

708
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: So but like the stuff in your actual apartment, none

709
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: of that started until after your ex moved out.

710
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 4: The stuff in my apartment happened after the Tormaline incident.

711
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, okay, that's when stuff started happening in my apartment.

712
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: That's screaming. Oh, because screaming like that in the middle

713
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: of the night, especially multiple nights in a row. It's like,

714
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: even if it wasn't a ghost, what is going on

715
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: like that? That's so scary.

716
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm like, someone being harmed here like that is

717
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 4: like my first impression. But the history of the building,

718
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 4: like a previous tenant that was there like twenty eighteen,

719
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 4: who in that apartment, Like I don't think killed anybody,

720
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 4: but severely beat up multiple people to the point where

721
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 4: like it had to be professionally cleaned by like a

722
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 4: biohazard because there was so much blood in that apartment.

723
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 4: What And like Kiki had been witnessed to that just

724
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 4: she like, as I'm like looking through the research, She's like, Morgan,

725
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 4: you know that like this apartment, the bad shit has

726
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 4: happened in here, Like then the whole ten years I've

727
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 4: lived here, I've seen people very mentally ill people live

728
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 4: in this apartment. I've seen very violent people live in

729
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 4: this apartment. I've seen you know, lots of people break

730
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 4: up in this apartment.

731
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: This is the one that you were in or your.

732
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 7: Ex, my ex's apartment.

733
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 4: Oh my God, And I actually looked all of that

734
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 4: stuff up online and it was like confirmed, like, yes,

735
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 4: a serious assault occurred at this apartment.

736
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:11,720
Speaker 1: But do you know what like the original energy or history,

737
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: like what's like the root of why this happens?

738
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 4: You know, I have to go off of the expert,

739
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 4: and I think just from Kiki saying that that apartment

740
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 4: is a portal and in that closet, like that is

741
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 4: the portal in which.

742
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 7: Everything is coming from.

743
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 4: And the building's was one hundred years old and it's

744
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 4: been a lot of different things over the years, and

745
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 4: I think it's a combination of residual energy from people

746
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 4: living in that space and the fact that like I

747
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 4: actually was there when people died there, right, So I

748
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 4: think it is just things that have accumulated over time.

749
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 4: But I wasn't able to necessarily find exactly who is

750
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 4: behind these specific acts because I don't think it's a

751
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 4: specific person, right.

752
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: But I'm always like, Okay, if you think of a

753
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: portal as like an airport for ghosts or edergy or whatever,

754
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: I get why humans make airports in big cities that

755
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: people travel to, but like, why are you like, let's

756
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: do a portal in a closet and Tacoma in an apartment, Like,

757
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: what does this happen? It's always like so random.

758
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 7: So the building was built by this man.

759
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 4: He was a Tacoma socialite back in the thirties when

760
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 4: he was making lots of money. He was very into

761
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 4: magic shows. He was a magician, but he was also

762
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 4: a spiritualist. Oh, and was very deep into that. He

763
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 4: actually had a house that was in the same neighborhood,

764
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 4: but he built that building, and so it makes me wonder, Like,

765
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 4: I mean, you just don't know what he was initially

766
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 4: using this building for, but it's already built by some

767
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 4: one who was very attracted to the paranormal and in

768
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 4: various ways. I don't know if he ever lived there personally,

769
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 4: but I know that the building changed a lot over

770
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 4: the years, and like used to be fewer apartments and

771
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 4: now it's more apartments. And I think when you have

772
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 4: like a space that changes so much, it upsets energies

773
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,919
Speaker 4: that are in it and leaves confusion, especially like when

774
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 4: one apartment used to be a part of another apartment

775
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 4: and now it's a studio, right, Like I feel that

776
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 4: it's just things have have built up there over the

777
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 4: years and that's kind of what Kiki's assessment of it was.

778
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 4: Also energy and people who never left this building.

779
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: Well I'm glad you left.

780
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, me too.

781
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 7: But it was kind it was kind of like spooky

782
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 7: at the time.

783
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 4: It was kind of like fun at the time, and

784
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 4: until start happening in my apartment, yeah, because I couldn't

785
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 4: just leave, but just it would just be such a weird.

786
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 4: And I know that you know what I'm talking about,

787
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 4: where it's like you are in a space and then

788
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 4: you step outside of the building, where you step outside

789
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 4: of the room and you just immediately feel better.

790
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 1: It was that, oh I'm sure, especially when it's your

791
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 1: twenty four to seven like that just that's too much,

792
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: or even walking down the hallway likeugh no, yeah, well Morgan,

793
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: I gotta hop on another call. But this is amazing

794
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: that you know. I love a beginning, middle, and end,

795
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: and this was like the perfect Yeah, you move into

796
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: a place, all this stuff happens, and then you leave.

797
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 1: Oh love it beautiful. Thank you so much for doing this.

798
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, thank you for having me. I hope you have

799
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 7: a grace of your day.

800
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: Thank you you too. I'll talk to you later.

801
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 2: All right. Bye.

802
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: That's one of those moments. I don't even need my

803
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 1: deposit back. I am out of there. Okay, we already

804
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: talked to one John, I say, we talked to another.

805
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:10,919
Speaker 1: Here's John, who was a theater performer and has some

806
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: stories to tell about it. Places. Everyone enter stage left, John,

807
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: I am joined by John, the theater kid from Philadelphia.

808
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:31,760
Speaker 1: How's it going.

809
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 6: It's going swimmingly.

810
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: Thank you, thanks for joining me. I was so excited

811
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: to hear that you have a story about Summerstock theater,

812
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: which is a thing that I love you, Oh my god, obsessed.

813
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 1: I don't go to enough of it, but it's something

814
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: I always wanted to do. I did very little of

815
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: in my life, and I hope at one point in

816
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: my life I do do and spend a full summer

817
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: doing it.

818
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 6: Yes, and brace the chaos.

819
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you get little romances, you get there's the dramas

820
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: I love, and then also the performing shore but I like,

821
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 1: I like all the other stuff too.

822
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, performing less and less important than the drama.

823
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: Yes. But okay, so you're doing the Summer Stock and

824
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: we're not just going to talk about Summer Stock because

825
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 1: there's also ghosts involved here. What's the story.

826
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, So I'm gonna take you back in time. Okay,

827
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 6: We're gonna go back to.

828
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: The nineties fun, specifically the summer of nineteen ninety five.

829
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 2: So you know, get out your Tori Inos, little earthquake bed,

830
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 2: your Madonna's dead jewelry d. You know, it's at least

831
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 2: if you were queer life like me. Okay, So yeah,

832
00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 2: so let me let me take you there. So where

833
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 2: this happened was on the campus of Muhlenberg College, which

834
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 2: was it still is a tiny liberal arts college in Allentown, Pennsylvania,

835
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 2: which is about forty five minutes away from where I

836
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 2: grew up. So this was the summer nineteen ninety five.

837
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 2: I just graduated from high school and I was going

838
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 2: to start undergrad there in the fall. Now, they do

839
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 2: this sort of summer musical theater summer stuck thing where

840
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 2: they basically get a lot of kids together, pay them

841
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 2: one hundred dollars for three months to perform like to

842
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 2: musical quote unquote professional because they bring in like two

843
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 2: union actors from like New York.

844
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: Lovely love it.

845
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 6: Yeah.

846
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 2: So the theater is really big at Melimber College. It

847
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 2: continues to be next to where the theater complexes where

848
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 2: this kind of experience took place was this how and

849
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 2: it was called the Bernheim House. It was named after

850
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 2: the sky Oscar Bernheim. It was constructed around nineteen fifteen

851
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 2: nineteen seventeen. In Oscar Bernheim was the treasurer of the

852
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 2: college from around like the early.

853
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 6: Nineteen hundred to well. He died in nineteen forty.

854
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 2: Six, but he held like a few different roles or

855
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 2: something like that.

856
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,720
Speaker 6: So it was a private home. It was Oscar Bernheim's.

857
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 2: House, and then it became I think like a women's

858
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 2: residence hall and then a German studies house, and then

859
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 2: eventually it was sort of like the theater dorm later

860
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 2: like in the nineties.

861
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds like the perfect place to be haunted.

862
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 2: Exactly for many different reasons.

863
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 6: And it was kind of like it like.

864
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 2: It has kind of done the script architecture, Like if

865
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 2: you look at old photos of it, you can find.

866
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,760
Speaker 6: Them if you google. It just looks creepy.

867
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 2: I don't know how to say about this, but it

868
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 2: was sort of famous for its theater kids porch party.

869
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 6: Basically we was, you know, for a party there and

870
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 6: stuff like that.

871
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: So I bet those were noisy, very.

872
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 2: Noisy but there were only the fraternities behind the house,

873
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 2: so the noise kind of just canceled each other out

874
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 2: of the residents living around this area.

875
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: Okay, so if you're in the neighborhood, you're seeing all

876
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: these houses and you're trying to find this one, you

877
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: listen for the Sondheim and you found it.

878
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:26,760
Speaker 6: Yeah.

879
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Although the funny thing about the effect you say

880
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 2: that is is.

881
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 6: That actually the Summer Stock director hate it. Stephen Sondheim

882
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 6: would never do it, like with.

883
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 2: A big sort of classical like pre seventies kind of

884
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 2: musical person, so you would never hear Sonheim.

885
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: Okay, what were the shows that you guys were doing.

886
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 6: I think that.

887
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 2: Summer and I had to really jog my memory for

888
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 2: this because I put a couple of summers there. I

889
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 2: think they were Oliver and forty second Street, both like

890
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 2: Orphans and Tappers.

891
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: Okay, fun, So in this house, this is where you

892
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 1: guys were housed when you were doing this.

893
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, part of us it housed.

894
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 2: I think there were like ten or ten or twelve

895
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: of us that were staying in there, and there was

896
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 2: they also housed people in the freshman door because there

897
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 2: were a lot more kids just ten to twelve.

898
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 6: But I wound up getting put in that house.

899
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 2: Got it okay, So it was the house of three stories.

900
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 2: They put me in the third floor, which was the

901
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: only room on that floor. So the first and the

902
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 2: second they had like I think, like three different rooms.

903
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,919
Speaker 2: In this room, it was kind of like it really

904
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 2: did feel like an attic space, so there was kind

905
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,240
Speaker 2: of like sloping.

906
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 6: Ceilings, and then in the room two there.

907
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 2: Was this kind of like you know, one of the

908
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 2: small sort of like two foot high gnome kind of

909
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 2: doors that went into like a crawl and attic space.

910
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're the dead bodies where they used to

911
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: hide those.

912
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 6: Or the dead raccoons like whatever. Yeah. Yeah, so I

913
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 6: had I was put together with a room made in

914
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 6: this room, so it was very dorm stylent there. But

915
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 6: he mostly commuted it and didn't.

916
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 2: Spend partly any time there at all. I think he

917
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 2: stayed there the one night where we both experienced something,

918
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 2: and I don't remember that he came back. Yeah, so

919
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 2: I did have a roommate, but he was ember there.

920
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: Basically, did you know it was haunted when you moved in?

921
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,760
Speaker 2: So there were whispers about this, but there was nothing

922
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 2: like where someone definitively said I had an experience here,

923
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 2: but there were sort of whispers that the Bernheim ghosts

924
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 2: like the ghost of after Bernheim, but no one really

925
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 2: ever kind of likes that sound and be like, okay, listen,

926
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 2: so this happened, but there were definitely kind of there

927
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 2: was chatter about it.

928
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: Okay, so what happened?

929
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:43,280
Speaker 6: So okay.

930
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:48,240
Speaker 2: The first odd experience I had was so one morning

931
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 2: I overslapt You know, this is before cell phone well,

932
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 2: I mean we had those like big car cell phones,

933
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 2: it's like the size of the briefcase. But I didn't

934
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 2: have a cell phone, so this was like before that time.

935
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 2: So I overslew and I missed the start of rehearsal

936
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 2: because my this digital alarm clock that.

937
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:06,479
Speaker 6: I had brought with me didn't go off.

938
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 2: And when I kind of like woke up, eventually I

939
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 2: realized that it wasn't there, Like it was no longer

940
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 2: on the bedside dresser where I'd put it, and I

941
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:15,280
Speaker 2: looked around.

942
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 6: I looked around and looked around.

943
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 2: I couldn't find it, looked under the bed and I

944
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 2: think and I eventually just went to like the CBS

945
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 2: and bought a new one.

946
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: You never found it.

947
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 6: Well, we're getting there.

948
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: Oh okay.

949
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 6: So it was like the first sort of aut experience.

950
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 2: And then like maybe, like I want to say, like

951
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 2: one or two weekend nights later, the roommate and actually

952
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 2: stayed over.

953
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 6: I think we had a party and there was drinking

954
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 6: and whatever.

955
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 2: And the next morning we get woken up by this knocking.

956
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 2: He gets up and he opens the door to the

957
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 2: to the room when there's nobody there. So we're kind

958
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 2: of like, okay, I throw back in the bed and

959
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 2: we hear this knocking again, and then we realized it

960
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,879
Speaker 2: sounds like it's coming from the other side of the small.

961
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 6: Attic door that's in the room.

962
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 2: You know, we're thinking, did someone get this is the

963
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 2: first thought. Did someone get drunk and pass out in there? Now,

964
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 2: mind you, nobody came up to the third floor.

965
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 6: I was new to all these people. No one came

966
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 6: up there to hang out.

967
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: But also, like, if that was the case, who the

968
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: hell would just knock like you would you'd be like, hey,

969
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: can you open it up? Like you would be saying,

970
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: especially at.

971
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,720
Speaker 6: Seventeen years old. I was seventeen, in horny. I didn't

972
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 6: have any thought other than that.

973
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 2: Okay, I no, thinking, what's happening.

974
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 1: Okay, So we hear this knocking.

975
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 6: We both kind of realized it's coming from the door.

976
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 3: See.

977
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 2: He goes over and he kind of like unlatches the

978
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 2: door and he opens it and he looks inside.

979
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 6: There's nobody in there.

980
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 2: However, he pulls something out and holds it up and

981
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 2: it was the missing alarm clock.

982
00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:00,720
Speaker 1: No, wait a second, So not only did the ghost

983
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: take the alarm clock and hide it in there, but

984
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: they also turned the alarm off because it never went off.

985
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 6: Well, it was unplugged. It was one of this plugged

986
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 6: in ones. It wasn't like a battery operator once.

987
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 2: Oh it was one of the okay, yeah, yeah, So

988
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, weird. But at the same time

989
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 2: I wasn't really I didn't really think that much about it.

990
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 6: Now, mind you, other people were.

991
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 2: Living in the house, like I said, but I didn't

992
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 2: really know anybody.

993
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:26,760
Speaker 6: I was like, oh, maybe someone it was a prank.

994
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know.

995
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 2: So, so, okay, I should preface this next thing with

996
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 2: so I identify as a queer witch. I felt drawn to this,

997
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 2: you know, very early on, like at the age of ten,

998
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 2: I found some life practical Candle Magic book but by

999
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 2: Ray Buckland in the bookstore, and I had to be

1000
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 2: like really sneaky with it in my home because they

1001
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 2: were Catholic.

1002
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 6: But I really kind of like looked into it.

1003
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 2: And I remember I pitched out some like red and

1004
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 2: white Christmas candles for.

1005
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 6: My parents based and I used to set up these.

1006
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 2: Candles and like rituals described in the book, and like

1007
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 2: the woods.

1008
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 6: Behind my parents how cute. I was really kind of

1009
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 6: like living my best fantasy.

1010
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 2: I was living, like, yeah, I think I even at

1011
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 2: one point stole a choir rogue from school and like dress.

1012
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 6: Up like the pictures of the witches in the book

1013
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 6: and experimentation.

1014
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 2: So in the Burnheim house, I always had like to

1015
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 2: send somebody watching. I don't know, it's just like a

1016
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 2: scary feeling. So one night I figured I'd be like,

1017
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 2: why don't we try one of these candles fells down

1018
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 2: in the basement, because why not?

1019
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 6: And I was by myself, so I you know, I

1020
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 6: laid up candles.

1021
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,280
Speaker 2: I did a little thing, but I don't remember actually

1022
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 2: getting anything from that.

1023
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 6: At all, Like nothing happened.

1024
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 2: However, I think it wasn't that night, but it was

1025
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 2: probably like a couple of nights after that little like

1026
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 2: fell experimentation, and after rehearsal, like a bunch of people

1027
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 2: went over to I think it was like the freshman

1028
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 2: door and they had some big party, and you know,

1029
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 2: I came back and I went to bed after rehearsal.

1030
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 2: You know, I was like forty before I was nineteen.

1031
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 2: In the middle of the night, I remember I woke

1032
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 2: up and I have this horrible feeling of being pinned

1033
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 2: down to the bed, as if someone was just like

1034
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 2: all of their weight was on me. And then this

1035
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 2: voice whispering in my ear, very very very fast, and

1036
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 2: I couldn't make out with what was being said. I

1037
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 2: remember it really vividly because it was a feeling where

1038
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 2: you could actually steel the air from someone's mouth speaking

1039
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 2: in your ear.

1040
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 6: So I get out of bed.

1041
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 2: I turn all the lights, like really discombobulated, but there's nothing.

1042
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:50,439
Speaker 6: There's nothing, so.

1043
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 1: You were able to like break out of this thing

1044
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 1: that was holding you down.

1045
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was just kind of like a little bit

1046
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 6: of a fog. All the lights are on. So I

1047
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 6: I went back to the death I tried to fall

1048
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 6: back asleep with all the lights on, and I remember it.

1049
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 6: It took a very very long time for me to

1050
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 6: even like fall back, like a very very bright room.

1051
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:18,280
Speaker 2: So that was the first time it happened. It happened again,

1052
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 2: Oh god, And I remember this was like a night

1053
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 2: or two later. I can't remember the time. Like I said,

1054
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 2: the roommate wasn't staying over.

1055
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 6: I woke up again. I was pinned to the bed.

1056
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 6: There's that intense whispering in my ear. The only thing

1057
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 6: is that this time I saw something.

1058
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: What did you see?

1059
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 2: There was this tallish figure standing inside the room.

1060
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 6: The lights weren't on.

1061
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 2: It was up against the door leading into the room,

1062
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 2: and I felt pinned down to the bed. I kind

1063
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 2: of threw myself out of the bed. I again turned

1064
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 2: all the lights on.

1065
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 6: And I was done.

1066
00:54:55,640 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 8: So I grabbed the pants, I grabbed the car keys,

1067
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 8: and I ran out of the house. I got into

1068
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 8: my car and I drove forty five minutes home for

1069
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 8: my parents out wait.

1070
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 1: But so this thing like it was like a tall

1071
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 1: like what like black shadow?

1072
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was.

1073
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 2: It was very shadowy because there was no there's no

1074
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 2: light in the room except the light that was coming

1075
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 2: in through the window.

1076
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 6: I remember feeling like this was very much like you know.

1077
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 6: I hate to.

1078
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 2: Gender this, but it did feel like some kind of

1079
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 2: like masculine thing.

1080
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: Oh that was Oscar Burn High.

1081
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,760
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I drove home to my parents

1082
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 2: and I stayed and I can neute it for the

1083
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 2: rest of the couple of weeks that remained until that

1084
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 2: full year started, and then I finally.

1085
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 6: Lived in the freshman dorm. I refused to stay in

1086
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 6: that house.

1087
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,280
Speaker 1: Did that roommate ever have anything to say?

1088
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 6: They never came back, They never stayed there again. I

1089
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 6: think they only stayed there for that.

1090
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 2: Night, and I think it was maybe one other night,

1091
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 2: but they never came back again after.

1092
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 6: I don't believe that knocking experience.

1093
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: Wow, So did you tell the other people in the house, like,

1094
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 1: was there any other talk of stuff happening or is

1095
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: it mainly just that room?

1096
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 6: Okay, so there's another piece of the story.

1097
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 2: There was this one friend of mine, Jessica, who was

1098
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 2: Jessica was going to be a senior when I was

1099
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 2: a freshman. Jessica was on their way out and I

1100
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:27,879
Speaker 2: remember telling Jessica about this, and Jessica was like, oh, yeah,

1101
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 2: that was probably Oscar.

1102
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,280
Speaker 6: I'm like, well, wait a second, I can't be that easy.

1103
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 6: Have you ever had like an experience with those, have you?

1104
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 6: You know, they're like, well, not like.

1105
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 2: Directly, but they they've always said that there was this

1106
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 2: feeling of something else that's in here, and they've always

1107
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:45,879
Speaker 2: heard whispers about the ghosts.

1108
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 6: Of Oscar Vernheim.

1109
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 2: Now, whether whether it was kind of rumorish or whatever,

1110
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,720
Speaker 2: I'm not really sure whether or not it was, because

1111
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 2: I kind of, like, you know, tried to make some contacts.

1112
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,760
Speaker 2: I don't know, but there was definitely it wasn't something

1113
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 2: like people well Jessica wasn't shocked by it, I should say, yeah, And.

1114
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: It was only ever at night. It was like not

1115
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: daytime stuff.

1116
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 2: Well, no, I mean I during the day, and like

1117
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 2: when I would come back, I think it was like

1118
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,359
Speaker 2: when they'd go lunch break or something, or like when

1119
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 2: I would do launching down in the basement, there's always.

1120
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 6: A feeling that like someone else was in there.

1121
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 2: And I think I do remember a time when it

1122
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 2: actually had called up the basement scares to ask if

1123
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 2: someone was upstairs, and no one responded. So it was

1124
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 2: kind of this a little bit ongoing. But I remember

1125
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 2: these particular things stood out the most.

1126
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 6: For me because they were just really present.

1127
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 2: Booo.

1128
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 3: It's probably a lot of years later.

1129
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 6: I was wondering to myself, could it have been sleep paralysis?

1130
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 6: But the thing about that is.

1131
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 2: Is I've never experienced sleep paralysis before, and I never

1132
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 2: experienced it after that.

1133
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, We've talked about this before on the show, where

1134
00:57:56,040 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: it seems like there's rooms where these experience has happened,

1135
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, maybe it was sleep paralysis, but like,

1136
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 1: why is it only happening in those rooms? To me,

1137
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: like that is beyond just some kind of thing that

1138
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: happens to everyone when they sleep, Like that's that's some

1139
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: Oscar Sondheim or whatever his name Bernheim.

1140
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 2: I want to tell you about this piece of information

1141
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 2: I found because I you know, when I was thinking

1142
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 2: about this, I wanted to go back and do some

1143
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 2: a little bit of researchers to check it in with

1144
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 2: some of the dates about the how so the how

1145
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 2: I think I mentioned it was demolished in nineteen ninety seven,

1146
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,959
Speaker 2: and they demolished it to build a whole new sort

1147
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 2: of multimillion dollar theater expansion, so they raised it to

1148
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 2: the ground. Looked like a little over a year and

1149
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 2: a half after this. But when I was doing research

1150
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 2: to kind of figure out some dates. I found a

1151
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 2: little piece of information in the archive of Miihlenburgh College. Now,

1152
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 2: whether this is sure or not, who knows, But they

1153
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 2: say that Oscar Burnheim died in that room on the

1154
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 2: third floor in nineteen forty six.

1155
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, that makes sense.

1156
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah.

1157
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: I wonder though, like why he wouldn't want you to

1158
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 1: wake up, Like why he wanted to hide your alarm clock,

1159
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 1: and like what, like what's that all about? Is he

1160
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: just being flirty?

1161
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 6: It gives me trick survives. I mean, I don't I

1162
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 6: don't know Oscar personally.

1163
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 1: Oscar sounds like a silly bitch. I'm sorry, Oscar was silly.

1164
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 2: I wonder he thought Oscar might have been a hoo

1165
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 2: because some of the some of the stuff that I

1166
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 2: read of was Oscar loved his rose garden out doc

1167
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 2: and would constantly be tending the roses.

1168
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 6: I'm like, oh, I wonder if this is the homo.

1169
00:59:54,880 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: Now, come on something, it's not only homos and women that.

1170
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I just I just pictured that lovely gentleman

1171
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 2: tending to roses.

1172
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 6: Or maybe he's a I don't know.

1173
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: You never know. It could could be.

1174
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but it's unfortunate they leveled the house. But

1175
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 2: I've also heard every once in a while that there's

1176
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 2: been chatter about ocstur Burnheim's spirits still kind of being

1177
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 2: around the area.

1178
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, he had to go somewhere. I say, you

1179
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: go back there and you figure out was he a homo?

1180
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 6: I said planner? I said, plan a rose bush.

1181
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: Plan a rose bush. See how he feels about that,

1182
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: and if he likes it, I guess we know he

1183
01:00:54,680 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 1: was gay. Well, John, thank you so much for sharing

1184
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: this with me. I have to go hop on another call,

1185
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: but this was wonderful.

1186
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you so much for having me on here.

1187
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: All Right, I see you later. Okay, thanks John. Okay, Last,

1188
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: but not least, it's Casey. And Casey's one of these

1189
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 1: people whose family has just lived with a ghost, as

1190
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 1: if it's like having a Labrador Retriever Golden Retriever. I

1191
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 1: don't know dogs very well, but you know what I mean,

1192
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, it's just part of the family. Yeah

1193
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 1: that sometimes the ghost just comes and goes and they

1194
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 1: still live with it. And there's a moment where I

1195
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: really get shocked when I discover that during this conversation.

1196
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 1: So here we go. Time for some Casey. I am

1197
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 1: joined by Casey and Vermont. Hi Kasey, Hello, Raz Okay,

1198
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 1: I want to hear about your family home. What's this

1199
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 1: all about?

1200
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, so, my parents purchased their house in two thousand

1201
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 5: and five, and it was built in the nineteen seventies

1202
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 5: and homely been owned by three other families before we

1203
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 5: bought it. But before we bought it, the previous owners

1204
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 5: were renting it out to college students and they did

1205
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 5: a ton of damage to the house, unspeknown to the

1206
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 5: owner who lived out of state. So we couldn't actually

1207
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 5: move into the house for about a month after we

1208
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 5: purchased it because we had to make repairs, replace flooring

1209
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 5: and paint. And after we moved into the house, the

1210
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 5: word kind of started getting around our small town that

1211
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 5: we had bought this house and moved in, and people

1212
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 5: around town were like coming up to us when we

1213
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 5: were out and about running errands, being like, I heard

1214
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 5: you bought the colonel's house.

1215
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:02,959
Speaker 1: The colonel sanders, yeah, right right, We're like okay, colonel great, Yeah, sure,

1216
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 1: we bought that house.

1217
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 5: And then we actually had a family friend who actually

1218
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 5: knew the colonel. So the colonel built the house. She

1219
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 5: knew him while she was growing up, and so she

1220
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 5: remembered him building this house, and I guess it was

1221
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 5: like a big deal in our town when this house

1222
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 5: was built back in the seventies. And then she informed

1223
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 5: us that he actually took his own life in the

1224
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 5: house in the eighties. So we were like, well, that's

1225
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 5: a little creepy, but okay. And then after we moved in,

1226
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 5: activity pretty much started. Like right away, we installed some

1227
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 5: gates to keep the dogs on the first floor so

1228
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 5: they couldn't go up to the second floor because we

1229
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 5: hadn't replaced the flooring up there yet. And at night,

1230
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 5: for the first few weeks after the gates were up,

1231
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 5: it would sound like someone was holding onto the gates

1232
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 5: and shaking them really violently because they were metal gates,

1233
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 5: like they were trying to like take them down or something.

1234
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 5: My sister was the first to hear it. She said

1235
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 5: it sounded like a toddler holding onto the gate and

1236
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,959
Speaker 5: like throwing a tantrum. And it wasn't the dogs, because

1237
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:03,439
Speaker 5: the dogs slept upstairs with.

1238
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 1: Me, and I mean it couldn't have been wind. I mean,

1239
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 1: it was like there was no explanation.

1240
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 5: It was just no no explanation for it.

1241
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 1: It's the Colonel, I'm convinced already, but let's go.

1242
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 5: Yeah. So, my older sister was living at home at

1243
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 5: the time, and she regularly got home from work after

1244
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 5: midnight when everyone was already in bed. So one night

1245
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 5: she got home, went up to her room, she got

1246
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 5: into bed, and she was laying down with her back

1247
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 5: to the bedroom door, and then she heard the bedroom

1248
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 5: door open. A little while later, and it's very distinct sound.

1249
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 5: The doorknob squeaks, the door drags across the carpet, and

1250
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 5: then she heard someone go, hey.

1251
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 1: Okay, you genuinely just scared me.

1252
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, So she turned around and went what thinking it

1253
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 5: was our mom and like, why are you up? And

1254
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 5: no one was there, Colonel, I know that same sister.

1255
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 5: She was also the one to the first one of

1256
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 5: us to see an actual apparition in the house. She

1257
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,919
Speaker 5: and I were in the driveway and we were leaving

1258
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 5: to go run errand and she looked over at our

1259
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:10,439
Speaker 5: garage and it's a three stall garage and all three

1260
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 5: doors were open because it was a funny summer day.

1261
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 5: My dad was cleaning, and she said Hey, Dad, we're

1262
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 5: going to the store. Do you need anything? And I

1263
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 5: looked over at the garage and I was like, no

1264
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 5: one's there. Dad's not that's not even home. He just left.

1265
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 5: And She's like, no, I just saw him in the garage.

1266
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 5: And she swear she saw a man standing in our garage.

1267
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 5: And the way she could only describe him was he

1268
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 5: was wearing jeans, and that's why she thought it was

1269
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 5: our dad.

1270
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:36,439
Speaker 3: But when I looked over, no one was there.

1271
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 1: Were you guys the kind of people that believed in

1272
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 1: goes when you moved in and heard all.

1273
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 5: Those I always had. I think my parents were definitely skeptical,

1274
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 5: because you know, they're religious, And but my mom started

1275
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 5: having experiences too, so's she believes. My dad still thinks

1276
01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 5: we're awful of crap. He thinks it's not true, okay,

1277
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 5: but all of us have had experiences, so we're definitely

1278
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 5: believers now.

1279
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 6: If we weren't before.

1280
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 1: What else happened?

1281
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 5: So my younger sister, she was home alone, and she

1282
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 5: was sitting at our kitchen table, and that kitchen table

1283
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:17,480
Speaker 5: faces this sliding glass door, and it was dark out,

1284
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 5: and she happened to look up and in the reflection

1285
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 5: of the sliding glass door. She saw a man walk

1286
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 5: behind her from our family room into our kitchen, and

1287
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 5: she said she couldn't really make out what he looked

1288
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 5: like or what he was wearing, but it was a

1289
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 5: very distinct figure of a man, and she was the

1290
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 5: only one at home at that time. One of the

1291
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 5: craziest things that ever happened was my mom had a

1292
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 5: watch go missing, and she couldn't find it for a week.

1293
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 5: She looked everywhere for it, and then after a while,

1294
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 5: she one day went into the kitchen cabinet where we

1295
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 5: keep our coffee cups, and as you can imagine, that's

1296
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 5: a cabinet that gets opened multiple times a day. People

1297
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 5: are always in and out of that cabinet, and she

1298
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 5: found the watch just sitting there, laying very neatly on

1299
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 5: the edge of the kitchen cabinet, where anyone would see

1300
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 5: it had they been in that cabinet at all in

1301
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 5: the past three weeks that this watch i'd been missing.

1302
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 1: Colonel, What are you doing, colonel?

1303
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's not the first time we've had like

1304
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 5: jewelry or accessories go missing.

1305
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 3: You know.

1306
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 5: I had a ring go missing, and then I found

1307
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 5: it in a shoe in my closet. Just weird things

1308
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 5: like that all used to happen all the time. That

1309
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 5: doesn't happen so much anymore.

1310
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 1: Oh, you guys still have this in the family.

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01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 5: Oh ros I'm in the house right now. I'm in

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Speaker 5: the basement of the house right now.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So what happens nowadays?

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01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 5: Well, so, I've been touched many times, usually just like

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01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 5: a light touch on my shoulder. But one time I

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01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 5: was laying in bed and it felt like a hand

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01:07:57,120 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 5: wrapped around my ankle and pulled, and I actually slid

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01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 5: down the bed a little bit. And that freaked me

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01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 5: out so much, not because like I thought it was

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01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 5: a threatening move, but whoever's in the house, If it's

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01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 5: the colonel, I believe it's the colonel. He had never

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01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 5: done anything like that before, and I was like, is

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01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 5: he trying to warn me about something? And I actually

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01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 5: like got up and went and checked like our wood

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01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 5: stove to make sure nothing was like on fire, because

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Speaker 5: it was just such a weird event that had never

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01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:24,719
Speaker 5: happened before.

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01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, what is his vibe?

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01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 3: You know, he's pretty chill.

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01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 5: Actually, We've never once felt threatened by him. I think

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01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 5: it's more about he just wants to be acknowledged, and

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01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 5: we've always kind of gotten the sense like he's really

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01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 5: grateful that a family was living in the house now

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01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 5: and not college students tearing it apart every weekend, and

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01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 5: that we that we actually like fixed up some of

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01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:52,680
Speaker 5: the house. There's actually still projects to this day that

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01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 5: have to be done from damage to the house, but

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01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:56,759
Speaker 5: we work on it little by little.

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01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 7: Well.

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01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it'd be interesting to know if the college

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01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 1: students had these experiences, yeah, or you know, there's also

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01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:10,680
Speaker 1: that common theory of once you start doing renovations, you

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01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 1: can wake up the spirits, right.

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01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, So my sister actually knew the guys that had

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01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 5: been living in the house. Her friend was dating one

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01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 5: of him, and that's actually how we found out the

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01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 5: house was for sale, and they had told her they

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01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,759
Speaker 5: had had some experiences. She never got any like definite stories,

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01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:32,120
Speaker 5: but just like hearing things, because we hear footsteps all

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01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 5: the time in the house, like all the time coming

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01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 5: down the stairs, walking across the floor, like it's just

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01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 5: a constant thing in the house and we've kind of

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01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 5: gotten used to it.

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01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, So you guys have been here for almost twenty

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01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:48,639
Speaker 1: years at this point, Yeah, you just get used to it.

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01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 1: It's like no big deal, not a big deal.

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01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:55,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, Oh that's just colonel. Like this weekend,

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01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 5: we had opened up the double doors on the front

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01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 5: of the house because we were bringing a new oven in,

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01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 5: and we opened them up and then we had to

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01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 5: close them because we weren't going to do what we

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01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:06,680
Speaker 5: were doing just yet. And then we went back to

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01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 5: open them again and we could only get one door

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01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 5: to open, and we were like, that's a little weird

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01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 5: because this one was just open, and we like played

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01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 5: around with it for a minute, and then we tried again.

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01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 5: It opened just fine, like nothing was wrong, and we

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01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 5: were like, oh, must have been the colonel. Like whenever

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01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 5: weird things like happen like that, we're like, oh, maybe

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01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:24,479
Speaker 5: it was the colonel. Who knows, and we just kind

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01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 5: of move on with our day.

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01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 1: And this whole time, your dad claims that he has

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01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 1: never had experiences.

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01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 5: That's what he claims. He doesn't believe in any of this,

1375
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 5: even with all of our stories. I'm like, I think

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01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 5: you're in denial.

1377
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 1: I bet you if you gave him a couple of

1378
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 1: pina coladas one night, he would tell you some stories.

1379
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe I should I should try that. You know.

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01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 5: One time we were sitting I was sitting in the

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01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,639
Speaker 5: living room watching TV and we had an entertainment center

1382
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 5: and the door to the entertainments that are started to

1383
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:03,280
Speaker 5: swing clothes, and I was just like annoyed and exasperated

1384
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 5: that that was happening. So I just went Colonel, knock

1385
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 5: it off, and the door swung back open. One of

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01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 5: my favorite stories because he was kind of like, oh,

1387
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 5: sorry and just opened it back up again.

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01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:18,720
Speaker 1: Gosh, I mean, yeah, it's so fascinating to me, like

1389
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 1: just coexisting for all these years. What would you say?

1390
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 1: I know, this is like an impossible thing to answer,

1391
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 1: kind of, but like, are we talking once a day,

1392
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 1: once a month? Like how often is the Colonel making

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01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:35,760
Speaker 1: himself known?

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01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean we'll go a really long stretch with

1395
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 5: nothing really happening in the house. Maybe footsteps every now

1396
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 5: and then, but even then like not a lot, and

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01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 5: then it's like all of a sudden, he's like, oh,

1398
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:50,559
Speaker 5: I'm back, and he starts doing things again. Like I

1399
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 5: was fully prepared to get on this call and tell

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01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:54,760
Speaker 5: you like, yeah, I haven't really had anything happen in

1401
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 5: the last couple of weeks. He's been kind of quiet.

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01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 5: But just this past weekend, I was again I was

1403
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 5: alone in the house, and I was standing in the

1404
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 5: four yer the entrance way, and from the kitchen I

1405
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 5: heard a man like clear his throat like and I

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01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 5: was like, oh, Dad, are you home? And no one,

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01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 5: no one was in the house.

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01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 6: Yeah.

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01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 5: He just likes to pop up every now and then

1410
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:17,679
Speaker 5: just remind us that he's here.

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01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'm like still shook that you are

1412
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 1: like in the house right now. I think it's because

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01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 1: I bet I keep talking to people that are telling

1414
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 1: me stories from like their past or whatever, and you're like, oh, no,

1415
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 1: I'm actively with the colonel.

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01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:40,600
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I'm sitting right in the basement, you know,

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01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 5: in the house that he built. And I don't live

1418
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 5: here anymore, but I regularly come here just to help

1419
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 5: my parents with projects or anything like that. But it's

1420
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 5: really just not uncommon to be sitting in the living

1421
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:53,640
Speaker 5: room and you know, here footsteps go across on the

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01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 5: second floor, or a cup gets knocked off in the

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01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 5: kitchen on the counter, and I always want to be like,

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01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 5: could you pick that up? Why are you knocking shit over?

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01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:02,600
Speaker 1: Yeah?

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01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 5: But he never does. He doesn't clean.

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01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:09,320
Speaker 1: I always wonder how much that kind of a thing is,

1428
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 1: Like are they trying to get your attention or are

1429
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 1: they trying to be koy or sly or whatever and

1430
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 1: they accidentally bump into something and they're like ah shit

1431
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 1: and then it falls over.

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01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, sometimes I think it's it's the second one. But

1433
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 5: sometimes when things fall over, like it's just it can't

1434
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:33,719
Speaker 5: be an accident, you know. I think if he's trying

1435
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 5: to get his attention, get our attention, just even just

1436
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 5: just be like, hey, I'm here, Yeah, don't forget about me.

1437
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 5: It's like, well, we couldn't forget about you if we tried, so.

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01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:49,600
Speaker 1: Well, Casey, this is great. Thanks for sharing this.

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01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:50,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely.

1440
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you wanted to share? While I got.

1441
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 5: Ya maybe the only other thing that ever happened to

1442
01:13:57,040 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 5: me that I was really like, oh, that was so weird.

1443
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:03,400
Speaker 5: As I was standing in the doorway of my parents'

1444
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 5: bedroom and I had my back to the bedroom and

1445
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 5: I was looking out into the hallway behind me, I

1446
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:10,840
Speaker 5: heard like, oh, like a whistle, like hey, get out

1447
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 5: of my way, and I'd like turned to the side,

1448
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 5: thinking like oh, maybe my dad was in the bathroom,

1449
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:17,760
Speaker 5: and I didn't know it, but no one was there

1450
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:20,200
Speaker 5: behind me. The room was totally empty. That was one

1451
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:22,559
Speaker 5: that kind of like raised my hair a little bit, like, oh, Colonel,

1452
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 5: that was creepy. Can you not do that please?

1453
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 1: It's so crazy to me that he like can kind

1454
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:32,080
Speaker 1: of talk like, Yeah, it's so weird.

1455
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:35,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know. My sisters say they've heard like conversations

1456
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 5: happening in other parts of the house and then they

1457
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:41,799
Speaker 5: go look and no one's there. It's just yeah, strange things,

1458
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 5: but never threatening, never crazy scary.

1459
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:50,920
Speaker 1: I mean getting pulled by the ankle and bed that's well, yeah,

1460
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 1: that's not something that I would consider I wouldn't consider

1461
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:56,400
Speaker 1: that relaxing.

1462
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can see how some people wouldn't like that.

1463
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 1: All right, Well, Casey, if anything else crazy happens now

1464
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 1: that you've talked about him on a podcast, you let

1465
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 1: me know.

1466
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 5: I will probably something will happen as sin as we

1467
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:14,680
Speaker 5: hang up, cause I've been talking about him.

1468
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:15,639
Speaker 3: All right.

1469
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 1: Well, good luck with that. Thank you so much to John,

1470
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 1: John Morgan and Casey.

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01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 3: Again.

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01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:26,840
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Speaker 1: The story is about a haunted house. It involves things

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Speaker 1: being thrown and creepy dreams like that kind of a thing,

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