1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: And now moved the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. Everybody, 2 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: what's going on? DJ and Bucky here for moved the 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: sticks and uh buck something. And we've really focused on 4 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: this fall kind of a theme for us. We've really 5 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: taken kind of one episode a weekend. We've devoted it 6 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: to a conversation with a coach that that really, selfishly 7 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: we wanted to talk to and we wanted to learn 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: from and and this is a name that came up 9 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: over and over again and the coaches we've talked about 10 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: as as someone who's had influence on their coaching career. 11 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: So I think this was a conversation we definitely had 12 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 1: to have. Lujos is one of the best coaches, if 13 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: not the best coach in college football history, and so 14 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: to be able to pick his brain and to really 15 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 1: find out what he believed, the court traits that you 16 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: had to have to build a championship program, things that 17 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: he passed along to coaches along the way, how you 18 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: bounce back from poor seasons. Having the opportunity to sit 19 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: down for fifteen to twenty minutes with one of the 20 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: legends of the game and just find out all things 21 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: about building a championship program. I think it was invaluable 22 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: for us. Yeah, I promised during this conversation, and a 23 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: couple of things gonna happen. You're gonna learn something. You're 24 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 1: gonna learn something about football. It also could translate over 25 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: into business. You're gonna hear some great stories because there 26 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: is no better storyteller than Lou Holtz. You've got, uh, 27 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: you know coaches. He's helped develop guys like Pete Carroll, 28 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 1: Guys like Urban Meyer got their starts under Lou Holtz, 29 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: and um, you're gonna hear all about those young men 30 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: in the early stages of their career and whether or 31 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: not Coach Holtz foresaw what was coming uh in their future, 32 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: all the success that they would have. So I do 33 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed this conversation. Uh, there will be a 34 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: little background noise just giving your heads up there. Coach 35 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: Holtz doing this interview in a restaurant, but kind enough 36 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: to give us plenty of his time. So I do 37 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: hope you enjoy our conversation with Lou Holtz. All right, 38 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: But I couldn't be more excited than I have Coach 39 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: Holtz joining us right now. And Coach We're gonna get 40 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: to your coaching career and philosophies and the cultures you 41 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: helped build. But I want to go back to Lou 42 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: Holtz as a foot all player. You've got to tell 43 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,639 Speaker 1: me give me a quick We're scouts. We scout the NFL, 44 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: so we want you to give us a scouting reporter, 45 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: Lou Holtz the football player. Well, the best way I 46 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: could sum up with when Tim Brown won the Hides, 47 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: but I went to New York to be with him 48 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: in the event they win it, and Jim Nas was 49 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: doing the television that had a little bit of time. 50 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: He said, to mind if I interview you before the 51 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: announced the winner. I said, that's fine. First question they 52 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: asked me was Lou Holst did you ever dream about 53 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: Winden Hide? I said, Jim, Now that's on national TV. 54 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: I did that all the time. I wanted to win 55 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: the High Spook for three reasons. I've been the first 56 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: player from Kent State ever win. I've been the first 57 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: defensive player to ever with it, and I've been the 58 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: first third keeper ever went each Well, we gotta move on. 59 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: That's true story. I was not I was not a 60 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 1: great football player that was on national debate. But I 61 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 1: was a good teammate. I wasn't a good player. That's awesome. Coach, 62 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: that is awesome. You talk about being a good teammate, 63 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 1: How are you able to take your experien is as 64 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: maybe a backup player and translate them into being a 65 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: guy that became one of the best coaches in college 66 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: football history. I think it was an asset because what 67 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: I learned was how important it was for the second 68 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: and third team around attain and how it could be 69 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 1: so frustrating as an athlete not to be able to 70 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: do things that when you when I tell them, a 71 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: great football players, So you had to rely on technique, 72 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: can't rely on attitude. You had to rely on your 73 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: teammates were able to contribute. Maybe I wouldn't be very good, 74 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,679 Speaker 1: but I tried to make my teammates better by encouraging them, 75 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: by helping the most important of all, by join that 76 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: Johnson the best of my bield. Coach. When you when 77 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: you take over a program, you got a chance to 78 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: take over a lot of different programs. I'm just curious 79 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: the first time as a head coach that that first speech, 80 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: that first meet team meeting, what your message was and 81 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: if in the other stops along the way. If if 82 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: that message changed from you, I've been change enowf at. 83 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: One of the first things I would say is the gentlemen, 84 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: I know you had no choice whatsoever who would be 85 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: the head football coach here. They didn't ask you your opinion. 86 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: You didn't get a chance to vote. I also know 87 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: that if you did have an opasion, I wouldn't be 88 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: here because you heard of a displin there and how 89 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: tough I am. I understand you aren't excited about being here. 90 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: They do think it's important for you to understand one thing. 91 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: I had a choice. I had a great job. I 92 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: didn't need to move my family. I didn't need to 93 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: leave a great situation. I came here because I thought 94 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,239 Speaker 1: if we worked together, we could read druing achieve something great, 95 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: and that we're gonna do three things. We're gonna be 96 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: able to trust one another, We're gonna be committed excellence, 97 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna care about one another. And nobody's going out workers, 98 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: nobody's going out physical, nobody's gonna be better fundamentally than 99 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: we are. It's fascinating about you, like giving all of 100 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: the success, choosing to take over down, trying programs. I 101 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: happen to see your your story about taking over South 102 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 1: Carolina and how the strougas were early and how you 103 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: were resolute and bringing it back when you basic us 104 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 1: for at previous places and it takes a little longer 105 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: to turn it around. How are you able to steal, 106 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: dig down deep and continue to believe in the values 107 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: that you believe in. I think that if you're willing 108 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,559 Speaker 1: to want to do something bad, if you'll find a way. 109 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: If you want to cheat something, you'll find a way. 110 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: If you don't, you'll find an excuse. Excuse it's a 111 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: lot of easier to find than solution. I also think 112 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: it's important to make sure that you never sacrifice. I 113 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: make a short range decision that will sacrifice your long 114 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: range goal. For example, maybe I had to suspend some 115 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: athletes at arcasall by first year, but that that was 116 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: more critical because if you don't, you're going to establish 117 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: a culture that's not going to be conducive to making 118 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: good young men as well as good football players. I 119 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: never felt like coach football. I felt I coach life. 120 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: I love that coach in life. Uh, coach, when when 121 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 1: I look at the way your team's played, you mentioned 122 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 1: how you're gonna be tough and physical and you're gonna 123 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: be detail oriented, and that's the way those teams played. 124 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: You got a chance to take that Notre Dame team 125 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: and play on the biggest stage there was. I mean, 126 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,799 Speaker 1: all your games were obviously national television at that time, 127 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: um and you guys were on a big stage, but 128 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 1: the biggest moments, it seemed like your team more often 129 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: than not rose to that occasion. What was the key 130 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: to not go outside yourself on the big stage in 131 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: those big moments? B and D we'd beat six teams 132 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: and faced the final top ten. We'd beat three teams 133 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 1: who were either one or two, and that was because 134 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 1: we were one if they were too. In eighty nine 135 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: we beat seven conference champions. So we were used to 136 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: playing in bake games. However, when you get a big 137 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: game is I would tell the players, every time you 138 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: win a game, the next next game becomes Chief and Bakers. Uh, 139 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: maybe we just beat Miami and now we're playing Navy. Well, 140 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 1: Navy was more important to us than what Miami was, 141 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: because if we lost the Navy, everything else was ruthin 142 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: ruined over what we had done previously. Yeah, and in 143 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: a bake game. The main thing we tried to get 144 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: the athletes to do one. You had to confess them. 145 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: They win, but we're playing by amy. They had won 146 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: thirty four games the row and to get the first 147 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: quarter to change and ends of the field. Steve stands 148 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: are outside linebacker Tolby that souls are all American tact 149 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: who said to him, this game draws it down, the 150 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: water in it because he knew that we believe that 151 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: we could win. That's number one. Number two, give your 152 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: flares something they could do in the band. They do it. 153 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: I always felt that if I give you something to do, 154 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: it's by obligation to design, to play and ze as 155 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: the center Joel, they will be successful. But the last 156 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: thing that perhaps the most important, that don't let your 157 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: teammate staff you want to fail. You have the right 158 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: to fail. Nobody has the right to cause other people 159 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: to fail because you don't fulfill your obligation. You join 160 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: the military, you join the team, you enjoy the visits, 161 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: join the spot to bring a child world. You have obligation. 162 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: You must uh must undertake them and fulfill them the 163 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: best of your building. People say, what's the difference today 164 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: and when I was younger. Today, everybody talks about the 165 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: rights of privileges. The lef you after we talked about 166 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: our obligational responsibilities. I'm one of these. Don't fashion pay 167 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: for to play that you have obligation responsibility, you must 168 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: absolutely fulfill it and I'm not going to accept day 169 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: singing less. But it's what he hates prolby. Your job 170 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: as a head coach is not to be well like 171 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: your job to bake them the very best thing thing 172 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: that most people don't want to get out their comfort zone, 173 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: but your obligations to force them to believe how good 174 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: they can be. All right, coach, So I got a 175 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: big question for you. I am a first time head coach. 176 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: I just completed my first season. We had a winning season, 177 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,959 Speaker 1: first time in a decade. So now the biggest challenge 178 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: is to go from good to great. What advice would 179 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: you give me to help me make my team go 180 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: from good to great in that second season. Well, the 181 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: first thing, if what you did yesterday it looks big, 182 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: do you then you haven't done much today. I think 183 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: you go through four stages with a football pocrast. First, 184 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: you learn how to be competitive. We learned how to 185 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: compete how to fight. It's up the second stage to 186 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: learn how to win. Third stage. As you learned how 187 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: to handle with him, everybody handle wins because when you 188 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: start winning, everybody wants to get credit. Everybody once all 189 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: they acculated and then jealousy. Step did. But then the 190 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: fourth step, you learned how to win championship. You win 191 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: championship by doing little thing. Little things make the difference. 192 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: I would say they was lost because the theil was lost. 193 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: His shoe with lustcause his shoe was lost. The horse 194 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: was lust because the horse was lost. The writer was 195 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:26,599 Speaker 1: lost because the writer was lost. The best of the 196 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: lustka is the best thing the battle with lust, because 197 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 1: the battle was lost, the war was lost. Just do 198 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: little things the right way. I love that, Coach. I 199 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: want to go back to your time. You mentioned it 200 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: briefly there at Arkansas, Young g A there for you 201 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: at the time. Somebody that that we've spent a lot 202 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: of time getting to know when he was at USC 203 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 1: and obviously what he's doing with the Seattle Sehawks and 204 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: Pete Carroll Um Pete Carroll's enthusiasm was that apparent when 205 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 1: he was at g A or is that something that 206 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: grew and evolved over his coaching career. Now Pete was 207 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,719 Speaker 1: thattural from the phone first, bubb But I bet it. 208 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,199 Speaker 1: He played a little school in California for the get 209 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: the day. But I think they've given up specific Yeah yeah, 210 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: I said they given up because of you? Or was 211 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: that the just resulting? He was a great coaching. He 212 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: had a love of the game. Uh. He worked with 213 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 1: our defensive back faild Uh. Just a trepetous individual and 214 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: a great coach. You could tell. You can always tell 215 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: with somebody's will be a great coach. They have a 216 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: love to have a natural mess about and they enjoyed 217 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: being with the athlete. You know, coach, Football has changed 218 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: since you're hey, they since you're fun. Now we're seeing 219 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: guys throw it all over to your We're seeing passing 220 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: more than we ever have. If you were playing, if 221 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: you were coaching a team right now, what would be 222 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: your style of play? What do you believe wins games 223 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: throughout the course of time? I think execution. I think 224 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: you could win with anyway. I've want these old enough 225 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: paper you'd say, oh this is your day. Let me 226 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: tell you. I started in the single way where they 227 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: snapped the ball to a back partly five yards deep. 228 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: It was the old sig of way. That way went 229 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: to the split tea, we went to the vier, and 230 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 1: then we went to the power I like Southern cow Dad. 231 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: And then we went to the far west offense, so 232 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: to speak, and then we went to the shotguns. So 233 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: here we are right back again. But what I would do, 234 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: and I look at our person, I'll say what the 235 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: capable doing? What I would really like to do. I'd 236 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: like to be in the short cut. I'd like to 237 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: be able to run the football. I'd like to be 238 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: able to have some options, definitely some options which forces 239 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 1: the defense to play discipline defense. They can't run the blitzer. 240 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 1: Four men one side to set up what run? The 241 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: whole option would be able to run the football. If 242 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: you run the football, you can then run play action passing. 243 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: Most big players would come because of play action passing. 244 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: And I would just look at it that way. On 245 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: defense against his bread, you gotta get pass rushed with 246 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: four players. If you can't get pressure with four players, 247 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: you're gonna have problems because you can't be stay man 248 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: demand forever. So number one you get pressure for man 249 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 1: number two. You're gotta play some decent and coverage you've 250 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: got at least being the same zip code with it. 251 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: And then most important of all, you gotta be able 252 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: to tackle an open field. And if you can't tackle 253 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 1: an open field, you're got a problem. You look back 254 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 1: at each time Alabama has trouble is when they can't 255 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 1: get pressure with a four man rush, because no defensive 256 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: back could stay with the receivers from LFU for that 257 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: much longer. And that's why Burrows had such a field day. 258 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,719 Speaker 1: He's a very talented quarterback. Do the defense through the 259 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: ball and that, but he could get rid of the 260 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: ball without people for being in his face. It's very 261 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: hard to throw a ball from a supine position as 262 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 1: a quarterback. I can appreciate that. Coach, speaking on quarterbacks, 263 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: you've got a chance to be around some really good ones. 264 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: You coached against a lot of great ones as well. Um, 265 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: when we're scouting evaluating guys, if you have to just 266 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: kind of boil it down to the two or three 267 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 1: or four things that you feel like make a great quarterback, 268 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: what what are they? Well? I never worried about I 269 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: wait et soether. I would say to an individual, if 270 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: your feet touched the ground, you're tall enough. If they 271 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,599 Speaker 1: don't reach your ground, you're too short. We can't use you. 272 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: That was a great there, So I don't care about it. 273 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: All I want to know is two things productivity. Don't 274 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: tell me how far he throw the ball, how fast? 275 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: How productive is he? Don't tell me about how great, 276 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: how high he could jump, how a tack with me? 277 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,719 Speaker 1: So I want to look at productivity. The second thing 278 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: I want is somebody that respects other people, and you 279 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: will respect you as well. I never recruited the young 280 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: man that I didn't go into his home. I want 281 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: to go into his home because I wanted to see 282 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: the respect they have for their parents. If they don't 283 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 1: respect their parents, there's no way in this world he's 284 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: going to succeeds in life and particularly are appropriate. So 285 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: if you respect other people, they respect you. And if 286 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: you just have our productive that's all I need. I 287 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: will find an offense that they wle you to be successful. 288 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: Whether we're running the running the option, throwing the ball 289 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: at Steve Burlin, great young man, Uh, they won't very 290 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: fast because they for the pregnant mother. The best advantish 291 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: would be third. I understand that. But he could throw 292 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: the ball, he could read he could do these differently, 293 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: and we just did our offense to him. Tony Rice, 294 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: he did a different Rick Meyers certainly different. So take 295 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 1: the players and then what you want to do is 296 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: what they're capable of doing. Give them a chance to 297 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: be successful. You know, coach, you you have certainly impacted 298 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: some of great coaches. Irbert Meyers one. But I want 299 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: to talking about a guy that maybe doesn't get talked 300 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: about enough. How about Barry Alvarez. Barry alvare is left 301 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: when to Wisconsin build a powerhouse in Wisconsin. What trace 302 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: did you see in him that maybe legend believed that 303 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: he would be a really good college coach. Well, we 304 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: hired an amount of Valais, one of the few coaches 305 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: never leave Iowa, and then I made him defensor cordinats. 306 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: We had great success that I never forget. We're getting 307 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: ready to play Colorado or Berry consid coach at halftime, 308 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: they're going to I'm going to take the West. Cousin 309 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: charm always had help, right, I can do better than that. 310 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: I can will that. I think very your hell of 311 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: a coach, But I'm not sure you know you can't 312 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: bring him back from the dead. He said, coach, I 313 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: just want to go there and Lord b Hols so 314 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: we stayed. And the mistake Notre Dame made. I mean 315 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: this since Hereah, they did have a ferry operastive play 316 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: for me when I left Dar Dame because he loved 317 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: Hurre Dad. I think he went it came another Dame's 318 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: history would have been completely different. Wow, that is a 319 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: great story, Coach, is the last one that we're gonna 320 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: let you run. We can't thank you enough for your time. 321 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: But we've had a chance to talk to dozens and 322 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: dozens of college coaches and asked them the same question 323 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: and the answers we could have been outstanding. Uh, the 324 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: best high school football player that Lou Holtz has ever seen. 325 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: It could be somebody that that played for you, could 326 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: be some of you you just watched play high school 327 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: once somewhere else. But who was the most impressive high 328 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: school football player you've ever seen? But there were a 329 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: lot of but the one that Spence out with Randy 330 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: boss I made. He was a man with boy and 331 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: I went down to recruit him. He had two cheers 332 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: in his living room. His mother said one I said 333 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: on the other, he said, on the arm chair of 334 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: his brother showed to the greatest respect. I said, boy, 335 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: this guy's going to really be special. He signed the 336 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: national letter intended Notre Dame and was admitted to the 337 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: University of Notre Dame, and may the dibision's officer said, 338 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: I got a letter from somebody said he done Blogger 339 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: there Dame not going to reject his admission, And they did, 340 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: And it was so unfair because he was such a 341 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: class act. I think his life would have been a 342 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: little different had he come to their name. But there 343 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: was a player on his team also named Bobby Howard. 344 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: We recruited Bobby Howard as well. They were both out 345 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: of Charleston. I never went to Charleston where I visited 346 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: Randy and Bobby at the same time. I didn't want 347 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: Bobby to think he was second vantage. Bobby ends up 348 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: being a captain. No Day played five years with the 349 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 1: Chicago Bear Randy Boss, which just it was like a 350 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 1: band player of pois it's a better fact. And then 351 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,439 Speaker 1: went down visited with him and urged him to go 352 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: to Florida State because I thought Bobby bound did the 353 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: best job with great athletes of Randy was a great 354 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: Now tell you how good I thought he would. Never 355 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: in my career did I ever do anything like this. 356 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: I called Jerry Jones. I recruited Steve Jones from Little 357 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: Rock Catholic. He played for me in Arsaw, Jerry's son. 358 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: I said, Jerry, you have to draft this guy. He's 359 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: ready for the NFL. Down They said, we can't draft 360 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 1: somebody on high school. That's how good I thought. Randy 361 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: Boss what he's a good person and you look at 362 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: him today on TV. He's a class act. But Jerry 363 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: Jones will verify. I called him, said you have to 364 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: draft him. Wow. So that is a coach. That's phenomenal. 365 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: What a great story. We can't thank you enough for 366 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: your time. We've been a longtime admirers of the job 367 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 1: that you've done, and not only as a football coach, 368 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: but as a lead and somebody's had a lot of 369 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 1: impact and influence a lot of the great coaches around 370 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 1: the country. So thank you so much. We appreciate it. 371 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: Thank you. Sometimes talk about my son at Louisiana and 372 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: the techis when five Bolk game to row, he's eight 373 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 1: and one. They lost in Texas and he says he's 374 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: the only coach ever win five bowl games I said, 375 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 1: but I won five bold games for five different teams. 376 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: That's a little bit harder. But I'm proud of he's 377 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: going a great job. I think you need to thanks 378 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: Steve Cord here, who I'm getting ready to him, Drake Whippan, 379 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: he's been very kind. He had his beautiful wife to wait. 380 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: You need to thank Christie would set this all up. 381 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: And you need to send me a checker. Will be five. Hey, coach, 382 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: the waters on us, The water is on us, and 383 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 1: joy lunch. Get the floating to light water with a 384 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 1: lemonade and a tooth back. Take care. Thanks great coach, 385 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:59,360 Speaker 1: Thank you. Well there you go. Buck the great Lou Holtz, 386 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: who I told everybody before the interview, I promise you're 387 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: gonna laugh. I promise you're gonna learn and uh I 388 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 1: did a little bit of both on this one. Yah know. 389 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: He look, he's he's a great storyteller but even better 390 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: team builder. And I think you hear him going to 391 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 1: what I call public speaking mode when he's talking to us. 392 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: I think he was definitely trying to inspire not only us, 393 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: but those that were listening. Um. I think the main 394 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: takeaway that I got from him was talking about building 395 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: a winning team and bouncing back from that disappointing season 396 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: in South Carolina, and being resolute and steadfasting his belief 397 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: that he could turn it around. I think a lot 398 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 1: of times, when we're in business or coaching, you do 399 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: have a tendency to have some self doubts when things 400 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: don't go according to plan. But he talked about how 401 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: you dig yourself out of it. No one really cares, that' 402 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: not gonna feel sorry for you, So you gotta look inward, 403 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: uh to find the answers. Um. I think those lessons 404 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: are things that trans transcend just sports. I think those 405 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: things are life lessons that anyone can use. I thought 406 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: it was fascinating about what kind of offense and what 407 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: key things he would want if he were to be 408 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: coaching today. I thought that was a great, great conversation, 409 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: and to me, UM really kind of goes into what's 410 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 1: taking place at the NFL level right now, where if 411 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: you look at the top quarterbacks in the league, all 412 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: of them have the ability to extend plays. All of 413 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: them have the ability to be at least a threat 414 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 1: as a runner, which is of forcing you to account 415 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 1: for them, which really goes back to the old option days, right, 416 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you had to account for the quarterback as 417 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: a runner. Maybe not in the volume that they did 418 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: back in the Donor Dame days, um, but I think 419 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 1: that makes life so much more difficult on the defensive 420 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: side of the ball when you have to count for 421 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: the quarterback, it definitely does. It evens up the advantage 422 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 1: on on defense. You typically have a plus one advantage 423 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 1: because the quarterback isn't a runner, so it gives you 424 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: the freedom to use the extra defender in the box 425 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: to stop the running game. Well, now, when the quarterback 426 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: is a viable threat, it evens out the playing field 427 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 1: and it makes it more difficult to defend the running game. 428 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 1: You have to commit that guy to make sure someone 429 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: is on the quarterback, someone is always on the running back. 430 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 1: And we have seen how it is really kind of 431 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: revolutionized the college game. But now in the pros we're 432 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: seeing it with Lamar Jackson some of the other guys. 433 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: When your quarterback is a runner, it just changes the dynamic. 434 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 1: And so I certainly can understand why Lou Holtz was 435 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: a big proponent of having an athlete at quarterback, having 436 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 1: an offense that has some option principles to it. While 437 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: still spreading it out and doing that. I just think 438 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: it's funny to hear him talk about his evolution from 439 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: single wing too split to the veer too eye formation, 440 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 1: option to spread, and all those other things. The testament 441 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 1: of a good coach is being able to be adaptable 442 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: and flexible, and for him to have so much knowledge 443 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 1: of so many different offensive schemes to really put them 444 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: into practice kind of speaks volumes about his reservoir of knowledge, 445 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: no doubt. Also enjoyed the little nugget there on Randy 446 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: Moss's best high school about that player that he's ever seen, 447 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: what could have been there at Notre Dame. I think 448 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: about the impact he would have had there. So anyways, 449 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: a fast nating conversation with coach lou Hole to hope 450 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: you guys enjoyed it as much as we have. If 451 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: you've missed any of other coaching interviews, go back you 452 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: can find them. Just go through go on Apple Podcast. 453 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 1: Look at our previous episodes. You'll find great conversations with 454 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: Dabble Sweeney, with Urban Meyer, with Mac Brown, with Scott Saderfield, 455 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: Eli drink W's, on and on and on. We've had 456 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,199 Speaker 1: a chance to talk to so many coaches and hopefully 457 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: you get a chance to to listen to those if 458 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: you haven't already, well, that's gonna do it for us today. 459 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening, for downloading. If you 460 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: have any questions for us, get on Apple Podcasts and 461 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: the leave us a little rating and in review and 462 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: you pop a question in there. We will do our 463 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: best to answer it each and every Thursday. That's gonna 464 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: do it for us. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Daniel Jeremiah. 465 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: We'll catch you next time.