Speaker 1: To teas in a pod which Teddy Mellencamp and Tamra Judge. Hi, guys,
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Speaker 2: How's it going. It's going good, It's going good. Are
Speaker 2: you enjoying the flashback? Watching the old episodes? Looking at
Speaker 2: the clothes and the sunglasses it used to be in
Speaker 2: Style fifteen fourteen years ago. It's entertaining.
Speaker 1: I just as I'm watching this, all I can think
Speaker 1: about is thank god I never watched this prior to
Speaker 1: joining Beverly Hill.
Speaker 2: But why, I mean, the lack of lamb and filler
Speaker 2: is just over the top, the lack of everything, but
Speaker 2: also just so many relationships and so many people have
Speaker 2: like changed for the good, the bad, the whatever, and
Speaker 2: then some people have stayed exactly the system. Yeah. So
Speaker 2: I wasn't a big fan of Kamil, not no shit,
Speaker 2: who could be? Oh yeah, it was just bad. It
Speaker 2: was bad news.
Speaker 1: Well we are for those of you guys following along.
Speaker 1: This is episode five and six of Season one of
Speaker 1: Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Episode five is named I
Speaker 1: would never say that November eleventh, twenty ten, was the air.
Speaker 2: Date thirteen years ago.
Speaker 1: We love to start with a synopsis. Oh synopsis from
Speaker 1: this episode, It's good Grammar. When Camille hosts a trip
Speaker 1: to New York to see a Broadway musical starring her
Speaker 1: husband Kelsey Grammer, the trip is a potential flop. However,
Speaker 1: when bad news hits Adrian and Kyle frets over a
Speaker 1: past tussle with Camille. It starts out where Camille tells
Speaker 1: her friend Nick that she and Kyle are having a
Speaker 1: little tip. Camille says, Kyle said, why would anyone be
Speaker 1: interested in being with you without Kelsey there? Camille thought, Wow,
Speaker 1: am I that invisible?
Speaker 3: At this point?
Speaker 1: Where do you stand on what's brewing between Camille and Kyle.
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, we never heard Kyle say those words,
Speaker 2: and it looks a lot like Camille is trying to
Speaker 2: twist her words make it into something it's not. What
Speaker 2: I didn't like is her sister didn't stand up for her.
Speaker 2: That was total bullshit.
Speaker 3: She just had to like that part will get into it.
Speaker 2: I don't want to get in the middle. I feel
Speaker 2: like there's two sides to every story. I think there's
Speaker 2: something in the middle. I don't think that Kyle would
Speaker 2: say something like that, Well why would you why would
Speaker 2: they want to do that if Kelsey's not there, Like,
Speaker 2: it just doesn't sound like something I mean.
Speaker 3: And the fact that it all happened off camera, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's very suspicious. And I don't like the way I
Speaker 2: feel like Camille is definitely acting for the cameras the
Speaker 2: whole thing with Nick and I just like to flirt
Speaker 2: with him and touch.
Speaker 3: But also what about when Nick's wife was there?
Speaker 1: Oh, and like we learned that he had a new baby,
Speaker 1: and yet all of the eye contact between Nick and Camille.
Speaker 3: It's honestly like that.
Speaker 2: Do you I know? But do you think she did
Speaker 2: it for the show? Do you think they actually have
Speaker 2: the sexual tension between them? I just don't know, he
Speaker 2: just had a baby, Like I don't know, it just
Speaker 2: felt like.
Speaker 3: Total bullshit.
Speaker 1: But like honestly, like this is the like look at
Speaker 1: me right now, like they're like, I know it was.
Speaker 2: It wasn't embarrassing. And I mean, she's married. I'm I'm
Speaker 2: sure she's quite clear that her relationship was coming to
Speaker 2: an end pretty soon. But what was her motivation to
Speaker 2: be interesting on TV?
Speaker 1: But also if she was trying to make Kelsey, Let's
Speaker 1: just play Devil's advocate. Let's say this whole thing with
Speaker 1: Nick was solely to make Kelsey jealous.
Speaker 3: This is with a married man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And at this point, I'm also very curious why
Speaker 1: does Nick get more screen time than Adrian.
Speaker 2: Well, Adrian obviously had some death in the family, so
Speaker 2: I feel like she wasn't really in this episode.
Speaker 3: But even in.
Speaker 1: General, I feel like I've seen I feel like I
Speaker 1: other than me not.
Speaker 3: Knowing what Nick does.
Speaker 1: Maybe he's a tennis instructor, but I don't know if
Speaker 1: he's just coming to play tennis or teaching her tennis
Speaker 1: at one point, but he has been in this I mean,
Speaker 1: he is definitely another housewife at guy I know, I know,
Speaker 1: and getting involved in all the drama.
Speaker 3: He's like, so tell me about this and this, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, are you trying?
Speaker 1: And then I started thinking, is she trying to do
Speaker 1: what LVP is doing with her guy?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, she treats him like
Speaker 2: he's a little chihuahua, and it's just it's bizarre behavior.
Speaker 2: I want to believe that she's doing it for airtime,
Speaker 2: to be controversial to get people talking, but what she's
Speaker 2: really getting is hate. Yeah, like a big amount of hate,
Speaker 2: which I can relate to, but it just it looks nasty.
Speaker 2: He's married, he just had a kid, she's married, Like,
Speaker 2: what are you doing?
Speaker 3: And just blatantly flirting in front of the wife.
Speaker 2: I mean, say, like, why aren't you naked and in
Speaker 2: a jockstrap or something?
Speaker 1: It's like really, And then there was an emotional moment
Speaker 1: right after that where Adrian and Kim are shopping.
Speaker 3: I feel like they're at Swirl, which I think is
Speaker 3: like a Beverly Hills not Swirl. Shoot, what is that?
Speaker 1: Squirrels in San Clementy? Yeah, Swirls in San Clementy, where
Speaker 1: you guys always shop. But there's another store is it? No?
Speaker 2: No, what's the girl's name, Nony or something like that
Speaker 2: with the pink care? Is that where? Or is that now?
Speaker 2: Kyle went? That's where Kyle went.
Speaker 1: It's at the Glenn Center. And it's like this one
Speaker 1: place that we always go and they like sell t shirt.
Speaker 1: It's super cute place, but it's like they they.
Speaker 2: Are allowed to place they would never shop at.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you guys still there? Yes?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm still there. I've shopped there multiple times.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I think it was the store was
Speaker 1: called switch Boutique.
Speaker 3: Switch Swirl, what's the dip? It's all the same thing.
Speaker 1: But while they're shopping, Adrian gets a call that her
Speaker 1: uncle passed away. At this moment, you do see a
Speaker 1: different side of Adrian, because I feel like, up till now,
Speaker 1: we've only just seen Adrian.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, the amount you could I mean, you
Speaker 2: could tell that marriage is over. But after that they
Speaker 2: but you. I feel like Paul really loved her, and
Speaker 2: I feel like he was always really trying and she
Speaker 2: was just I mean, I think the fact that he breathed.
Speaker 1: Her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everything he does, breathing, eating, looking, walking, chewing.
Speaker 1: But he did say something that was very It was
Speaker 1: a wake up call to me this episode. He goes,
Speaker 1: we've been bickering since the day we met, Like so
Speaker 1: it was something that I think for a while they
Speaker 1: got off on, like trying to kind of one out
Speaker 1: of each other or this banter. But there's only so
Speaker 1: much anyone can take of doing that, especially when it's
Speaker 1: the person you're married to and raising kids with.
Speaker 2: I know, but I do love did you love her?
Speaker 1: Her.
Speaker 2: I forgot about that her wedding dress at the end
Speaker 2: of the hall, like as a piece of art.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I didn't even notice it.
Speaker 2: Yes, like she has it behind glass. It's like from
Speaker 2: ceiling to floor, like a whole display.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. My Nicole Miller Ones just rolled up
Speaker 3: in a ball.
Speaker 2: And well I was Cinderella, Mark Sanino. I had three
Speaker 2: wedding dresses, and as I took them off, he would
Speaker 2: take them and put them in his car.
Speaker 3: You look like Cinderella. Not that you didn't get to
Speaker 3: keep them.
Speaker 2: No, I didn't get to keep one of them.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Well, then.
Speaker 1: We we kind of get over to back to Camille
Speaker 1: and Nick, and then we get over to where Lisa
Speaker 1: goes over to Kyle's house to see a hypnotherapist to
Speaker 1: help her with her fear of flying before New York.
Speaker 3: Do you think this actually worked?
Speaker 1: Like when he threw their hands down, I was like,
Speaker 1: but you could tell Kyle's trying to be like respectful of.
Speaker 2: This d business. I don't know. I mean, one time
Speaker 2: at Notts, very farmer got hypnotized on stage but I
Speaker 2: don't even know why. But I don't even know if
Speaker 2: it worked. I can't even remember. I was young, but
Speaker 2: I some people believe in it. I don't know. I've
Speaker 2: never had like the best experience being hypnotized.
Speaker 1: I do know a lot of people that smoke cigarettes
Speaker 1: that get hypnotized to not smoke cigarettes, and were some
Speaker 1: people it works, but I think it's like a placebo,
Speaker 1: like if.
Speaker 2: You really believe what you want to believe, you believe
Speaker 2: what you want to believe.
Speaker 1: But either way, that guy was giving the fact that
Speaker 1: Lisa vander Pump was able to not crack.
Speaker 3: Up, knowing that she didn't believe she was. I was
Speaker 3: pretty amrized.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: Now, didn't you and Kyle do something similar on camera? No,
Speaker 2: we did.
Speaker 1: ESMR, which is like breathing exercise, but that's with like
Speaker 1: an actual therapist.
Speaker 2: Is Kyle still afraid of flying?
Speaker 1: No, but she still does. Like I think it depends
Speaker 1: on the circumstance, like tense flying.
Speaker 2: I gotta believe back then when she first started the show,
Speaker 2: being a mom having a baby, she probably didn't fly
Speaker 2: a lot. She didn't. I didn't fly a lot when
Speaker 2: I started the show, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: you're flying all over the world filming, So I got
Speaker 2: and I get nervous, you know, I even to this day,
Speaker 2: you know, all these crazy things go through my head,
Speaker 2: and you know it's and then I guess, like.
Speaker 3: How I feel about in the car, how I feel
Speaker 3: about driving?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1: So maybe I need to find I wonder if that
Speaker 1: hypnothera hip no therapist it's still in business and can
Speaker 1: hook a hook a girl up.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I do laugh a little bit because Kyle and I
Speaker 1: got a lot of shit for doing couples.
Speaker 3: Therapy on the show. But she's since seasons one, since
Speaker 3: seasons one.
Speaker 2: Seasons one, Yes, you guys did a couple therapies. No,
Speaker 2: that's what all the women oh, yes, yes, yes, they
Speaker 2: gave you a lot of shit for that. That's right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like, who does couples therapy?
Speaker 2: But it was friendship therapy as just when.
Speaker 1: You support a bread and you do something together to
Speaker 1: try to help another friend. But I can't wait to
Speaker 1: recap that another couple therapy session. But then the women
Speaker 1: are at the airport and they question why Camille went
Speaker 1: to New York early, and Kim jokes that it's because
Speaker 1: of Kyle.
Speaker 2: I swear Kim and Kyle are the worst enemies. I
Speaker 2: swear all they do is want to break each other
Speaker 2: down all the time.
Speaker 1: But it's switched, like it's right when you think they're
Speaker 1: gonna be okay, then the other one is mad at
Speaker 1: the other one. So, like Kim says, what she asked Emil,
Speaker 1: is Kelsey meeting you in Hawaii? Camille said no, and
Speaker 1: Kyle thought it was brave of her to go without him.
Speaker 1: I kind of believe this version here because later on
Speaker 1: in the episode we hear Kyle go, I was just
Speaker 1: asking about your vacation, and Kmille goes, we're not friends
Speaker 1: like that. I'm sorry, I didn't know that asking about vacations,
Speaker 1: And I actually consider that surface conversation, not so close
Speaker 1: friendship conversation.
Speaker 2: I will say that years later it came out that
Speaker 2: what really was said. So what was said was are
Speaker 2: they filming you and Kelsey and Hawaii? But they couldn't
Speaker 2: break the fourth wall back then, so that makes sense. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you know it is what it is. If you
Speaker 2: were Kyle, would you have still gone to someone's husband's performance?
Speaker 2: If you guys, if you're in a fight.
Speaker 3: I think at that point on Housewives, there wasn't really
Speaker 3: a choice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you probably just like unless you're in an Adrian
Speaker 1: situation where somebody's passed away, Like you're going on the
Speaker 1: cast trip.
Speaker 3: It's season one. You show up, you figure it out.
Speaker 2: What about Camille's tour of her New York City apartment,
Speaker 2: it was kind of cringey, calling it the confined.
Speaker 3: Space, the confined spaces.
Speaker 2: Her complaining there were only three bedrooms and that it
Speaker 2: was small thirty five hundred square feet, her children have
Speaker 2: to share a room, and it did just like I
Speaker 2: think she said, it was small like ten times.
Speaker 1: But I'm also confused by Kelsey's confessional because clearly this
Speaker 1: confessional was done. In my opinion, I have no idea,
Speaker 1: but I feel like this confessional was done after, like
Speaker 1: the season had wrapped. He seems like he's like on
Speaker 1: a sound stage somewhere else talking.
Speaker 2: About how marriage is hard.
Speaker 1: But also between Kelsey and Camille, I need them to
Speaker 1: cut it on the big words like I don't need
Speaker 1: I don't want a dictionary to be able to watch Housewives.
Speaker 3: Between the word canubial.
Speaker 1: And pernicious, I don't know what does mean, Like Kelsey,
Speaker 1: can't you just say the word marital?
Speaker 3: But there's some kind of weird smile that Kelsey does.
Speaker 2: I think when he's like Katie Mark, it's like Mark,
Speaker 2: I know, we saw Camille's mom she had cancer back then,
Speaker 2: which is thirteen years ago. She recently just passed away,
Speaker 2: so very sad. Rest in peace the well.
Speaker 3: Then the women land in New York. Kyle's seemingly had
Speaker 3: an easier flight travel.
Speaker 1: Uh. They showed Taylor and Kim actually talking, which at
Speaker 1: this point I'm thinking, oh wow, these two have turned
Speaker 1: a corner and they're kind of getting along now. But
Speaker 1: they are talking about I mean, Taylor is talking about.
Speaker 3: What's he doing?
Speaker 1: It about Camille and says the word insecure, and then
Speaker 1: Kim shares a story about how one of her friends
Speaker 1: was insecure because she was the famous one, and just all.
Speaker 2: This just kills me, I know, I mean watching it
Speaker 2: back and seeing like what's happening now in real time,
Speaker 2: it's like, oh my god, how life changes, right yep.
Speaker 1: And then right when they land, Kyle pulls Camille aside
Speaker 1: and said that she misunderstood what she said. Kyle says,
Speaker 1: she only meant to ask, is your husband meeting you
Speaker 1: for spring break? Camille says, I don't understand. Kyle says
Speaker 1: those words would never come out of my mouth. And
Speaker 1: then Kyle says, you don't need And at this moment,
Speaker 1: I do think there are times where you can say
Speaker 1: no reason to be insecure about that, But at this moment,
Speaker 1: I think she was trying to empathize. And this isn't
Speaker 1: me just having Kyle's back, This is just me watching
Speaker 1: a show honestly with blinders on from my other relationships.
Speaker 3: But she's like, you don't need to be insecure about that.
Speaker 3: That's not what I meant.
Speaker 2: She's good at twisting words. Who Kyle, Camille, Camille, you
Speaker 2: say something that she twisted? Now I will say. You
Speaker 2: can hear the clear voiceover when Camille says why would
Speaker 2: anybody be interested with you without Kelsey there? Because she
Speaker 2: actually broke the fourth wall at that point and they
Speaker 2: had to do a voice over. Oh because then and
Speaker 2: it was just Kyle basically saying, are you and Kelsey
Speaker 2: filming in HOII? I mean that's a valid question, and.
Speaker 1: Then saying, oh, wow, that's like they're going to film
Speaker 1: you without Kelsey on a family vacation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just you, that is different. But they couldn't. So
Speaker 2: Kyle got the screws put to her because it was
Speaker 2: a fourth wall thing, which happened to me multiple times
Speaker 2: way back then.
Speaker 3: But now.
Speaker 1: You did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you didn't know how to work around.
Speaker 2: The fourth wall, they wouldn't let us at all break
Speaker 2: the fourth wall. And I said for years, it's more.
Speaker 2: When Kim broke the fourth wall with Croy, they were
Speaker 2: walking outside from a party and she started screaming at
Speaker 2: the producers and they showed it, and I thought, this
Speaker 2: is what we need. We need this across the board,
Speaker 2: that's what people want to see.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: We love it because it just makes it all and
Speaker 1: then it makes Then it could have explained when this
Speaker 1: actually happened, all of it, like we're all just left
Speaker 1: to the unknown.
Speaker 3: But what then it seemed like they were actually fine.
Speaker 1: But this is what Camille has not changed to this day,
Speaker 1: because this is the type of shit Camille does. She
Speaker 1: acts like things are okay, Like if I'm mad, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to pretend that it's okay.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: I would have been like in that moment where Kyle
Speaker 1: apologizes if I didn't, if I didn't think the apology
Speaker 1: was sincere, or I was upset by the word insecure,
Speaker 1: I would have been like, listen, let's just get through
Speaker 1: the night, but she acts like she accepts the apology.
Speaker 3: Then they get down to dinner, they're still in the
Speaker 3: same freaking outpits.
Speaker 1: No time has really passed right, and Camille brings up
Speaker 1: Kyle's comment about her being insecure and thinks it was wrong.
Speaker 3: Kyle says, it's only to dig to someone who struggles
Speaker 3: with it.
Speaker 1: This is where you can see like Kyle's Tama coming
Speaker 1: out like I don't like the injustice.
Speaker 2: Of it all the housewife and me is coming out
Speaker 2: yep that watch out.
Speaker 3: I was like, here she comes.
Speaker 1: But then I was like, what is going on with
Speaker 1: Camille because you can see that Camille is getting off
Speaker 1: on the fact that she's been able to upset Kyle.
Speaker 2: I know, and her comment like, well what did she say? Oh,
Speaker 2: I wont like when you when somebody gets out of
Speaker 2: control and yells, you know, and I stay calm, like
Speaker 2: it's so Also.
Speaker 3: You lose, you lost, Kyle. I wanted this one.
Speaker 2: And I was like, if you truly she was, She goes,
Speaker 2: I'm winning because Kyle is losing her cool. Sorry, Kyle,
Speaker 2: you lose. With her little smirk, it was just, oh,
Speaker 2: she's such a villain.
Speaker 1: But then what about how Camille said on her mother
Speaker 1: who has cancer, that Kyle said it Kyle utters her
Speaker 1: infamous meme line.
Speaker 2: Yes, you're such a I know to this day you
Speaker 2: still hear that.
Speaker 1: And and I have to say, my opinion has not
Speaker 1: swayed on this. That's my opinion, that's all. I think
Speaker 1: that Camille is one of those people that truthfully doesn't
Speaker 1: necessarily have her own opinions on things. I think we
Speaker 1: can see after seeing Kelsey's confessional, Camille's learned some big
Speaker 1: words from him.
Speaker 3: She tries to use them.
Speaker 2: Do we know Camille's background, Like where's she from? Did
Speaker 2: she grew up wealthy? Because her love of money is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think she just grew up regular.
Speaker 1: But she definitely loves to talk about money.
Speaker 2: Money all the time, like, oh my god, there's more
Speaker 2: to life than money, sweetheart.
Speaker 3: And also confines confined spaces.
Speaker 1: I gotta be really honest, I think my entire family
Speaker 1: and I would be completely happy just living in my
Speaker 1: master bedroom, Like there are.
Speaker 3: Moments in time where I.
Speaker 1: Tellighly enjoy just like being in that space where you
Speaker 1: don't have to manage a bunch of shit and so
Speaker 1: when she keeps saying that, it's just like please, oh
Speaker 1: for my our staff and also our staff, the nanny's.
Speaker 2: Like, how are we gonna have my house manager or
Speaker 2: what about when she says, oh, good, my real friends
Speaker 2: are here, and.
Speaker 3: Then they pan to the people she's paying to do
Speaker 3: her hair and makeup.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that you can't be real friends
Speaker 1: with your glam but you're still paying them Camille.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's still yeah, yeah, I mean, and I'm not
Speaker 2: like I have real friends that are well, just to
Speaker 2: say that on a show that it's a about friendship,
Speaker 2: I mean, you're admitting you're not friends.
Speaker 3: With these girls. Ugh, I mean, I just it really
Speaker 3: was a lot.
Speaker 2: But then I just wanted to say bye, come in.
Speaker 1: And then at this episode you start to see the
Speaker 1: fact that Kim is not standing up for Kyle. She
Speaker 1: says in a confessional, she goes, you know, either way
Speaker 1: I were to say it in the moment, one of
Speaker 1: them would have been mad at me. But then she
Speaker 1: says in her confessional, Kyle did not say that, but why.
Speaker 3: Not just say why not say that?
Speaker 2: What is wrong with her? Like that kissed me off?
Speaker 3: Yeah? But then of course they do a little break
Speaker 3: and then we get into the Art of War. Episode six.
Speaker 3: The ladies continue to chomp out of the Big Apple,
Speaker 3: but their New York trip is marred by the aftershock
Speaker 3: of a meltdown and mounting friction between Kim and Kyle.
Speaker 2: Oh do do do?
Speaker 1: So? Here's where I feel like is a case of
Speaker 1: Taylor trying to keep her hands clean. Camille says she
Speaker 1: knows the women talked about her on the plane in
Speaker 1: New York City because Taylor mentioned it. Camille says that
Speaker 1: Lisa was the one who was prompting Taylor to call
Speaker 1: her and secure that's actually not what happened.
Speaker 2: No, not at all.
Speaker 1: And for me to have Lisa vander Pump's back knowing
Speaker 1: our history shows how much I just really disagree with
Speaker 1: what's going on, because right I am actually loving Lisa
Speaker 1: vander Pump in these earlier episodes.
Speaker 2: I love her. I think she's freaking hilarious.
Speaker 3: She Oh my god, sorry, she's moving. No, it's no apologies.
Speaker 1: At this point in time, I don't think Lisa vander
Speaker 1: Pump was so affected by the show. I think she
Speaker 1: really is being fun. She's trying to protect her friend Kyle.
Speaker 1: She sees the relationship going sour, she tries to pull
Speaker 1: her away from it. She tries to it with Camille.
Speaker 1: Kim says that Taylor was the one to call Kamille insecure.
Speaker 1: Taylor says, no, don't drag me into this. Kim says,
Speaker 1: be careful, Taylor, and then Taylor says, I'll take you
Speaker 1: out back and pull some Oklahoma on your ask where is.
Speaker 2: This Taylor on Orange County? I need that Taylor.
Speaker 3: I don't know Taylor like this is what we need.
Speaker 1: Because at this point, I gotta say, I'm more on
Speaker 1: Kim's side. I'm on Kim's side when it comes to
Speaker 1: Kim and Taylor of it all. I'm on Kyle's side
Speaker 1: when it comes to the Kim and Kyle of it all.
Speaker 1: Because I'm not saying that Kim needed to go to
Speaker 1: bat for Kyle.
Speaker 3: All she needed to say was I was there and
Speaker 3: this is what Kyle said.
Speaker 2: Wait, you said you're on the side of Kim and Taylor.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm on when it comes to the tailor thing.
Speaker 1: Because they flashed back to Taylor in the airport calling
Speaker 1: Camille insecure.
Speaker 2: Oh I didn't I that she went right over my head.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that, okay, so I get it. Okay,
Speaker 2: So she did say it, but what was the context
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 3: She said, I think that.
Speaker 1: After all of these years of being with Kelsey and
Speaker 1: being oh, she agrees with Kim.
Speaker 2: Kim says it first, Yeah, I don't remember, okay, so
Speaker 2: that so I.
Speaker 1: Guess exactly what happened. We had to get corrected because
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes wrong.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes, But let's't say I don't remember that. But
Speaker 2: she was just repeating what was said. She did, so
Speaker 2: it was not her words. So we are not on
Speaker 2: Kim's side on this, we are on Taylor's side.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm not fully on Taylor's side because agreeing and
Speaker 1: co signing on it. You could say, well, I don't
Speaker 1: really think it means she's insecure, she doesn't.
Speaker 2: Have her back, But does the word Camille is over secure? No,
Speaker 2: you don't think maybe she acts away because she's super insecure.
Speaker 2: But I feel like just watching her, like she's so
Speaker 2: sure of herself. I think that she almost like she's
Speaker 2: above everybody on the cast, because you could tell like
Speaker 2: she's like, I have more money than all of you.
Speaker 3: I don't even think it's that.
Speaker 1: I think that when you don't have any female friendships
Speaker 1: and everybody in your life is paid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't have a clear sense of self.
Speaker 2: Well, if you don't have any female friendships, then that's
Speaker 2: a you problem. But also if you don't have any
Speaker 2: friends that you aren't paying, that's a you problem.
Speaker 1: That's also you problem, because then there's no one to
Speaker 1: check you, Like if I do something stupid, I have you,
Speaker 1: and probably I don't know fifteen other women in my
Speaker 1: life that are gonna be like Teddy, you step on
Speaker 1: this one. You know, have some humble pie or whatever
Speaker 1: it may be. But Camille had lvp's number from the
Speaker 1: very first season. She says that she is machia velic,
Speaker 1: which means I had to google.
Speaker 3: Don't you worry? Do you know what machia velc means?
Speaker 3: Tamra machia velan.
Speaker 2: I don't even know how to say it. Say it again.
Speaker 2: Put it in a sentence. Let's see if I can.
Speaker 2: Don't ask me to spell it, but put it in
Speaker 2: a sentence and let me see if I can.
Speaker 3: Her behavior is very machia velic.
Speaker 2: It's very sporadic. I don't know what is it.
Speaker 3: No machiavelic is marked by cunning, duplicity, or bad faith.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's a stupid word. Why can't you just simplify it
Speaker 2: and say bad behavior?
Speaker 3: It's not bad behavior?
Speaker 4: What is it?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 3: Cunning?
Speaker 2: In bad faith?
Speaker 3: It's like being shady.
Speaker 2: Well, that's bad behavior.
Speaker 3: They were back in Beverly Hills.
Speaker 1: They go to the show. It's super awkward. There's like dancing,
Speaker 1: Kelsey's like Kyle says, she's nervous about what Kelsey's gonna say.
Speaker 1: But then what Camille kept saying I also thought, was
Speaker 1: like so cringe, and she's like, you know, mining Kelsey's realtor.
Speaker 1: He's just like a small time Beverly Hill's realtor. It's
Speaker 1: nothing like my Emmy winning winner of Everything a list star.
Speaker 2: Like I stop, stop and we're going off on we
Speaker 2: cannot use Mauricio. Now, now that Kyle has attacked me,
Speaker 2: I'm like, bitch, what attack?
Speaker 3: She said verbally assaulted.
Speaker 2: It's like that right there, that is putting sound bites
Speaker 2: out there, which happens a lot of times on Housewives.
Speaker 2: If if you're smart enough to know that if you
Speaker 2: put a SoundBite out there to say somebody's mean or somebody,
Speaker 2: if you say it over and over again. Unfortunately, the
Speaker 2: audience will start believing it even if they don't see anything.
Speaker 2: So for her to say that, she's trying to persuade
Speaker 2: the viewers that Kyle is verbally abusive.
Speaker 3: So if I were to say there was an additional
Speaker 3: person that was machia velic in this episode.
Speaker 2: It's Camille, It's Camille.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But then we're back in Beverly Hills and Adrianne is
Speaker 1: getting ready for her uncle's funeral, and of course she's.
Speaker 3: Annoyed at Paul for dilly dialing. Shocker shocker. Adriane says,
Speaker 3: they bicker, but they've been married for over eight years.
Speaker 2: Eight whole years. That's when a lot of people get divorced.
Speaker 2: It should be the eight year inch, I know, not
Speaker 2: the seven year itch.
Speaker 3: But there has to be something in a man.
Speaker 1: As I'm watching him try to do her necklace necklace,
Speaker 1: it corrects me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 3: There has to be something in a man's DNA that.
Speaker 1: Does not allow them the capacity to learn how to
Speaker 1: properly hook a necklace or undo a bra strap or
Speaker 1: like there are certain thing.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Eddie doesn't have a problem with it,
Speaker 2: although he can do your necklace. Yeah no, Edwin is like,
Speaker 2: oh really, I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, even my brasstrop. I'm like, you should have had enough. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you should have.
Speaker 2: You should have mastered that in high school, Like I remember.
Speaker 1: Thinking it was really cool, like if somebody could do
Speaker 1: it with one like a guy to do it with
Speaker 1: one hand and just look it open.
Speaker 3: Granted, now I don't even wear that. I wear like
Speaker 3: old lady bras, I didn't even have.
Speaker 2: I don't even wear I wear nipple covers. But Paul
Speaker 2: seems to worship the ground that Adrian walks on, but
Speaker 2: Adrian just looks at him with disgust. I mean, I
Speaker 2: feel sorry for him at this point, but I.
Speaker 1: Actually did until the part where you can I feel
Speaker 1: like Adrian just had enough of his ship, like we're
Speaker 1: catching it where she just had enough of his ship.
Speaker 1: It's right after the funeral, there's time to connect with
Speaker 1: the family. Paul goes out to drinks with his friends,
Speaker 1: and it's just like one of those things like after
Speaker 1: a certain amount of time, if somebody doesn't isn't there
Speaker 1: for you and the mental capacity that you need, You're
Speaker 1: just going to be a dick to them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I get it.
Speaker 3: I have a question.
Speaker 2: Is Kyle and Camille friendly now? I think I saw
Speaker 2: like a Instagram post they met at the dentist on
Speaker 2: accident or something like that.
Speaker 1: Well, you have to remember, years and years later, Camille
Speaker 1: asked Kyle to be in her wedding.
Speaker 2: Oh, I can't wait to get to that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's when I'm in.
Speaker 2: Do you think back then there was some kind of
Speaker 2: jealousy going on between Kyle and Camille.
Speaker 1: On Camille's side, I think that Kyle is relatable and
Speaker 1: funny and people like her, like just in general, like it.
Speaker 1: Put Kyle in any room and people are gonna laugh
Speaker 1: at Kyle.
Speaker 2: But there's something not to like about Kyle. So that's
Speaker 2: what's crazy. But one thing that I did acknowledge is that,
Speaker 2: like you said, she surrounds herself with people that pay
Speaker 2: her and they're very yes, yes, yes to her and
Speaker 2: tell her how wonderful, like DD saying her friend d
Speaker 2: D saying the girls you know in Camille's life have
Speaker 2: some sort of jealousy towards her, Like, I would never
Speaker 2: say that to you, Like, oh, Teddy, I know you
Speaker 2: have problems with girls, but they're always so jealous of you.
Speaker 2: I'd be like Teddy, knock it off, and I gotta.
Speaker 3: Be really honest. I don't care how many awards Kelsey Grammer.
Speaker 1: Has won or how much money they have, not for
Speaker 1: one second watching their dynamic was I like.
Speaker 3: God, I'm so jealous. That's not me.
Speaker 2: No, I don't get like that.
Speaker 3: But I have a question.
Speaker 1: Does the word and secure upset you? Like, if somebody
Speaker 1: were to say the word and secure, does it make
Speaker 1: you mad?
Speaker 2: It used to. I was called insecure like season eleven
Speaker 2: for what it was my worst year in Bali and
Speaker 2: there everybody's coming after me and they're like, you're just
Speaker 2: You're the biggest insecure person I've ever met. And I
Speaker 2: was just so overwhelmed and I just left. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it does. It does bug at that point. At that
Speaker 2: point now probably yeah. I was going through a divorce,
Speaker 2: a custody battle, all kinds of things. I don't know
Speaker 2: if insecure is the word, but it I wasn't in
Speaker 2: a good spot, so hearing that threw me over the edge.
Speaker 2: Now I'm like whatever, I'm getting older now, so I
Speaker 2: don't really give two shits what people think or say
Speaker 2: to me or what their opinion is about me. I
Speaker 2: mean I'm doing pretty damn well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think there's all always things that
Speaker 1: I can be insecure about, but it's you know, what.
Speaker 2: I'm insecure about, maybe not insecure, but I look up
Speaker 2: to and it could be jealous of. Something is somebody
Speaker 2: that a girl my age, it's super fit, like super
Speaker 2: like I'm fit, but I mean I'm talking competition fit
Speaker 2: with the ripped abs and the bulging bicet. Like I
Speaker 2: love that look, but it's so hard to achieve. So
Speaker 2: I always like praise and look and go, oh, I
Speaker 2: wish I could do that. I just can't commit my
Speaker 2: entire day and night to fitness.
Speaker 3: Well for me, what I covet.
Speaker 2: There you go use those big words covet what I because.
Speaker 1: It's not that I'm jealous of, It's just something I
Speaker 1: always like would aspire to be. Is just someone who's
Speaker 1: able to just like live life, like not be an
Speaker 1: overplan or not be this like it's last night.
Speaker 3: I have.
Speaker 1: I've been not people that don't stress, people that don't stress,
Speaker 1: like I will be creating lists on lists on lists,
Speaker 1: and I know part of it's because I'm you know,
Speaker 1: diagnosed OCD, but like I just can't turn my brain off.
Speaker 1: So for people that can that is like, but it's
Speaker 1: not an act. I try to turn my biggest insecurity
Speaker 1: into my superpower. I'm like, well, at least I'm on my.
Speaker 3: Shit like Mathn's fallen through the cracks. But it is like,
Speaker 3: I do see women that can be like that, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, gosh, why can't I be like that?
Speaker 2: Eddie's like that, and I'm not. I don't have OCD,
Speaker 2: but I do worry. I got this from my grandmother.
Speaker 2: I worry about everything. I worry, Okay, when I leave,
Speaker 2: like Sophia going to do this and Eddie this, and
Speaker 2: I feel like after micromanage and get everything ready, and
Speaker 2: Eddie's like, doesn't have a worry in the world. The
Speaker 2: guy does not worry.
Speaker 1: I know, I know Edwin, Edwin, you know Edwin doesn't
Speaker 1: really have a worry. He just like doesn't want to
Speaker 1: overthink things because then it will stress them out. Then
Speaker 1: we get to Kyle tells Kim that she did not
Speaker 1: speak up for her against Camille. Kim says she could
Speaker 1: not get a word in and doesn't like conflict.
Speaker 5: That's a fly, Kim, such a fly or cam I know, like, seriously,
Speaker 5: I mean Kim could escape from which mountain, but she
Speaker 5: she didn't have time to tell she couldn't.
Speaker 1: Escape Kyle's expectations. You just constantly, you constantly see this.
Speaker 1: Just I feel like she almost enjoyed watching Kyle get it.
Speaker 2: Yes, And I think there's definitely issues between Kyle and Kim.
Speaker 2: It's quite obvious and it's brewing. I think this is
Speaker 2: Kim's like sitting back, going go ahead, you gotta get
Speaker 2: it girl.
Speaker 4: The other thing that I found weird is when they
Speaker 4: were at not weird. I guess interesting is interesting and interesting.
Speaker 4: It was when Camille was in Kelsey's dressing room.
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, He's like, you can't get out, get out?
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: Well, clearly you could have read that. Camille couldn't.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, if you can read people so well,
Speaker 1: why couldn't you read that. Kelsey was like, get out
Speaker 1: of here, I'll get you play books.
Speaker 2: You know. I think she's super passive, aggressive, and I
Speaker 2: think she knew that her marriage was over and she
Speaker 2: was doing that just to just to get in his
Speaker 2: face and to make good TV. Because it is evident
Speaker 2: they don't get a it is.
Speaker 3: Evident then they're on the way back to the airport.
Speaker 1: Kim shares with the women how hard it was for
Speaker 1: her in Vegas and made her start to think about
Speaker 1: settling down and sharing her life with someone. Kim suggests
Speaker 1: that each of them picks someone out and set them
Speaker 1: up on a date. Lisa has someone in mind, but
Speaker 1: he's in prison, and then nice Sam says she's open
Speaker 1: to the age group twenty five to seventy if you
Speaker 1: were to get a divorce from Eddie, which I would
Speaker 1: never want I loved. Yeah, I think you're great, But
Speaker 1: what would be your age demographic?
Speaker 2: I would say my age ten years up. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm getting up there, so I.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't really like the old guys,
Speaker 2: so I would like to stick to my age.
Speaker 3: Your age, would you go younger again?
Speaker 2: I mean like five years, But I wouldn't go like
Speaker 2: fifteen twenty years young.
Speaker 3: Now because I'm too tired.
Speaker 2: I'm tired. I don't have time for that. And plus,
Speaker 2: you know, when I Eddie was thirty, I was in
Speaker 2: my forties, and then you know, we're both in our
Speaker 2: fifties now, so it feels like we're the same age
Speaker 2: and we're both old, so it doesn't matter anymore. But
Speaker 2: back then I always had like in the back of
Speaker 2: my head, like, oh God, is he gonna like leave
Speaker 2: me for a younger girl.
Speaker 3: No, he was never.
Speaker 2: He loves you so but still when you're you know,
Speaker 2: he's thirty and you're in your forties, Like he's thirty
Speaker 2: nine and I'm forty five, Like it's it's weird. It's
Speaker 2: just a weird feeling. But yeah, hot, you hot. But
Speaker 2: now I'm just like, we're both old. Who gives a
Speaker 2: We're all in this every time until he's fifty five
Speaker 2: and I'm sixty. But yeah, every time that Edwin, I'm
Speaker 2: like exhausted, and Edwin wants to get it in.
Speaker 3: I show him that same monkey meme.
Speaker 1: It's like this gorilla and it's like it's got its
Speaker 1: stomach out, it's like dinger and it looks.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, you gotta woo me with more than this, buddy.
Speaker 2: I am tired. I need more.
Speaker 3: I'm tired more.
Speaker 1: And guess what We're back to Nick, our buddy. Nick
Speaker 1: Camille tells her friend Nick that she does not trust
Speaker 1: the girls. She says that Kyle was acting like a
Speaker 1: crazed homeless.
Speaker 2: Woman, praist, homeless woman.
Speaker 3: I don't get it. Why would she.
Speaker 1: Be Kyle Kelsey was not happy with Kyle's behavior. Camille says,
Speaker 1: there is a big difference between Kelsey and his successes
Speaker 1: versus Mauricio. Oh, this is what the line was the
Speaker 1: local Beverly Hills realtor. Kelsey said, well, I guess we
Speaker 1: will be looking for a new realtor. Then Camille does
Speaker 1: out another big word. She says, Kyle's just pernicious, She's
Speaker 1: and then she tries to throw out another word, but
Speaker 1: she forgets it, so she uses pernicious twice, which really
Speaker 1: bugs me. Which then I had to look up pernicious.
Speaker 1: That's highly injurious or destructive, wicked, wicked?
Speaker 3: Okay, well, and then did you hold on?
Speaker 2: Did you see the book the book on her on
Speaker 2: her table? It was The Art of War? No, I
Speaker 2: didn't see that, do you?
Speaker 1: Well? I like pans in on the book with like
Speaker 1: there's multiple like post it notes and bookmarks. I'm like,
Speaker 1: is this strategically placed here? Or do we think that
Speaker 1: Nick reads it to Camille every night?
Speaker 2: Like probably in the in the fetal position. I didn't
Speaker 2: like the Camille saying you know Kelsey has respect in
Speaker 2: his community, unlike Mauricio, Like, why is she going after Mauricio?
Speaker 2: What has Mariso ever done? In fact, she said earlier
Speaker 2: that Mariso has always been her relative.
Speaker 1: People can call me thirsty or dehydrated or whatever it
Speaker 1: may be, And you know what, there is no human
Speaker 1: out there thirstier than Camille.
Speaker 2: No, She's like, I am an agree.
Speaker 1: I know, and that's the way I feel about it.
Speaker 1: And I don't actually believe, truthfully, the Camille every even
Speaker 1: told Kelsey about the fight between him and Kyle.
Speaker 2: I know, I don't think so either. I don't even
Speaker 2: think Kelsey would be the type of guy that.
Speaker 3: Would get involved nor give two ships?
Speaker 2: Give two ships? I mean, he obviously doesn't even like
Speaker 2: his wife. Do you think he's gonna side with Kuyle?
Speaker 2: I mean Camille over Kyle buyre a realtor?
Speaker 3: Like do we think?
Speaker 1: And I hate to be the bare bad news. I
Speaker 1: don't think you guys are buying any more houses together? Kamielle, No, no, sorry, but.
Speaker 2: She did walk away with a pretty penny from her
Speaker 2: marriage to Kelsey, didn't she?
Speaker 3: Whoo he did woo.
Speaker 1: Well, we have covered another two episodes, and you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm getting pretty hooked. And next week's episode we see
Speaker 1: Kim go on a date. I'm not sure who sets
Speaker 1: her up on the date, but for a second I
Speaker 1: thought that it was Yolanda's ex husband, but it wasn't Hams.
Speaker 3: It looked like Mohammed Alan.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, he's O'hammed's funny. He's actually dating an
Speaker 2: Orange County girl right now?
Speaker 3: How old is she? Twenty?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Oh, forty? Probably beautiful. Looks like Michelle Pfeiffer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're all beautiful. He's always at it, open.
Speaker 2: Model, like six fit, tall, super skinny, yep, all the things.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, that is another episode to make sure
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Speaker 3: All right, thanks guys, Bye Tam Bye,