1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Nol. They call 6 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super 7 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: producer Alexis nickname TB. D. Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't 9 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: want you to know. This is our Strange News segment, 10 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 1: which we have done for a couple of weeks right now. 11 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: In this segment, we each share a story, an article, 12 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: uh sometimes a think piece that we feel deserves more discussion, 13 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: more analysis, or something that we just want to make 14 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,279 Speaker 1: you aware of. H and astute listeners. You will note 15 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 1: that some of these will end up being episodes all 16 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: their own in the future. We've got some pretty exciting 17 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: stuff here, wouldn't you say, guys. Yeah, And we've got 18 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 1: a range from some pretty serious theft of money and 19 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: shenanigans going on there too, uh you know, outer space 20 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: and might I say, just really quickly, if alexis is 21 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: nickname continues to be TBD for too much longer. That's 22 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 1: just what it's gonna be. We had a suggestion Alexis 23 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:42,639 Speaker 1: what was it, alexis allegedly Jackson or alexis uh, something 24 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: something like that, and there was double x and double 25 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: double double exes and doubles. Well it was, but we 26 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: had a We had a listener say, alexis allegedly Jackson. 27 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: I kind of like that. I like the alliteration. I'm 28 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: always a sucker for alliteration, acronyms, initialisms, anything to play 29 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: with language and speaking of segways. That takes us to 30 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: our first story today, playing with language. If you are 31 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: a member of Here's where it gets crazy are stuff 32 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know community on Facebook, or 33 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: if you're one of the people who follows us on Twitter, 34 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: then you have seen many of our fellow listeners posting 35 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: the same headline that recently came out in The New 36 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: York Times by Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Keene. Uh. The 37 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: headline is pretty pretty amazing. It's heavy stuff. It is 38 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:37,079 Speaker 1: quote no longer in shadows. Pentagon's UFO unit will make 39 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: some findings public. It's accompanied by a fantastic and at 40 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:48,959 Speaker 1: times confounding video compilation of pilots who you know, are 41 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 1: experts in recognizing things in the air, uh, continually being mystified, 42 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: you know, and sometimes they're they're just they're enthusiastic. They 43 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: don't even sound scared in a couple of parts, like wow, 44 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: look at that, What the hell is happening? I think 45 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: that's one of the best part's been just hearing hearing 46 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,839 Speaker 1: how shocked they are about it, and maybe that's what 47 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: leads us to feel that there's definitely something strange going on. Yeah, 48 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: So for my time today, what I wanted to do 49 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: is give you the broad strokes of this story for 50 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: anyone who hasn't read it, a little bit of context, 51 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: and then briefly discussed some of the possibilities here because 52 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: I personally am convinced that there are some possibilities that 53 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: are not being as widely acknowledged as they should. So 54 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: if you listen to our earlier episodes concerning the statements 55 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: of people like Luis Alissando, then you know that despite 56 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: years of denying any official research into UFO or unidentified 57 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: aerial phenomenon, uh, it turns out that Uncle Sam had 58 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: been doing it the entire time. Like Project blue Book 59 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: which is one of the most famous efforts to study 60 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: unidentified flying objects, was formally closed it. Then other programs continued, 61 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: and the Pentagon for quite a while ran a covert 62 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: program that was I think maybe twenty seven million dollars 63 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: or so. That's a drop in the bucket, Uncle Sam Wise, 64 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: But they ran this program for a while. It closed down. 65 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: They admitted that it it was happening again, and this time, 66 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: just this past week as we record this, the Pentagon 67 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: announced that they will not discuss a program called the 68 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon Task Force in very much detail, but 69 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: they will admit it exists. This is such good legal ease. 70 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: This is the language that's dangerous. The program is not classified, 71 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 1: but the stuff it deals with is classified. So they 72 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: can tell you it exists, but they can't tell you 73 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff about it. Uh. This, this story, 74 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: which is still developing, I think is suspicious for a 75 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: number of reasons. Uh. You know, everybody knows Senator Mark 76 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: rue b a one time presidential candidate. He is currently 77 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: the chairman or the acting chairman of the Senate Select 78 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 1: Committee on Intelligence, very powerful committee. Despite the weird name 79 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: and his primary concern in the reporting of these events 80 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 1: is that there are confirmed unidentified aircraft over US military bases. 81 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: And he said, you know, maybe there's a boring explanation 82 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 1: for it, or maybe it's something extraterrestrial, something not of 83 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 1: this world. Or and this is the thing he was 84 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:37,239 Speaker 1: most concerned about, maybe another foreign power had some sort 85 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: of technological leap that outclassed US abilities in this regard. 86 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: So this is an ongoing story, you know, follows that 87 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: New York Times announcement. I have questions for you, guys. Uh, 88 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: my first question is the timing this. Okay, so this 89 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: comes out when there's widespread domestic unrest. We're leading to 90 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: an election that's terrifying a lot of people for one 91 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: reason or another. Uh. There are, of course new threads 92 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 1: in the Epstein story. There are, of course widespread protests 93 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 1: in the US. And now aliens don't worry about any 94 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: of that. Look over here, these shiny objects, they're called stars, 95 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: and amongst them there could be some some fuzzy, cuddly 96 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: alien friends. Wouldn't that be cool? Guys? You forgot all 97 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 1: about that other stuff. It's it is pretty puzzling to me, 98 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: just because this is not disclosure. This is admitting the 99 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: thing that we suspected when we talked about this, you know, 100 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: in seventeen and before that, when we talked about Project 101 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 1: blue Book, that these programs, if there really is anything 102 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: to be studied, right, if there are any findings whatsoever 103 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 1: of advanced aircraft, no matter the origin, they're not going 104 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 1: to stop studying it. But they shutter these programs like 105 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: blue Book, Like what was the previous one, that Advanced 106 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: Aerospace Threat I Dentification program, the one that they said 107 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: they shuddered in and then oh no, we just opened 108 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: it under a different name in a different department. It 109 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: doesn't say aliens because it's not what they're disclosing. But 110 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: what they are disclosing is that there is something most 111 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: assuredly there in the sky that we have no idea 112 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: what it is, and we cannot prove where it's coming from. Well, 113 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: the focus clearly being on aerial vehicles, and much of 114 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: the conversation centering around, look, what if some rival of 115 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: ours has somehow, you know, made some advancement um in 116 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: technology that we're not aware of and that we wouldn't 117 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: be prepared for. It's our job to be up on 118 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: that stuff, right, That's the easiest kind of explanation that 119 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: they don't have to, you know, say the a word 120 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: unless that word is aerial. I would just say it's 121 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: not necessarily vehicles, No, all, it's aerial phenomenon. Sure, I'm 122 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: saying that's the term. Like, that's like some than that. 123 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: Marco Rubio saying saying, look, you know, yeah, this is 124 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: a thing, but it makes perfect sense. There's nothing fishy 125 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: about it at all. We we need to be aware 126 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: if our enemies or our rivals are doing stuff that's 127 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: like better than what we have the capabilities to do ourselves. 128 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: Tale as old as time, as the same beauty and 129 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: the beast. If you think about the technology involved, I 130 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: believe it is more accurate to go broad and say 131 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: craft or object because of vehicle. Um, A vehicle is 132 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: a specific kind of object, right, isn't it? And if 133 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: you think about it, a lot of the technology in 134 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: aircraft or in any kind of flying thing that has 135 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: a person inside of it, a lot of that technology 136 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: is dedicated to keeping that person alive in an environment 137 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 1: human beings are not built for. And imagine how much 138 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: more amazing stuff you could do if you did not 139 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: have to worry about getting a meat sack up there 140 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: safe lee and then getting them down safely. It's like, 141 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: how much faster can you run with a bag of 142 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: groceries if you don't have to worry about cracking eggs 143 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:12,599 Speaker 1: inside the bag? Awkward but true. The idea here is 144 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: that there are three possibilities. One, the most exciting, the 145 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: tinfoil elephant in the room, is that there is something 146 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,479 Speaker 1: there might be some kind of non human built technology, 147 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: whether it was discovered in the ancient past or like 148 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: it landed here and then it was found and it's 149 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: slowly being rolled out right, and that's by far the 150 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: most out there. The second is that this stuff is 151 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: a slow reveal of pre existing, entirely terrestrial technology that 152 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: the US wants to keep secret or some other country 153 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: wants to keep secret. Makes total sets so many old 154 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: reports of UFOs later turned out to be spy planes 155 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 1: that one country or another was working on. And then 156 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: maybe the timing here is just sort of a soft 157 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: opening or a signal to another country, hey look what 158 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: we can do, or hey, we're onto you. And the third, 159 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: it's really irritating to me because it's plausible, is the 160 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: idea that there could be repressed technology that the US 161 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: has possessed that could have made the world a better 162 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: place in one way or another, and they've been intentionally 163 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:23,959 Speaker 1: limiting innovation due to the inevitable social disruption that could occur. 164 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 1: Before we call that a conspiracy theory, I would like 165 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: to draw our fellow listeners attention to one of my 166 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: long standing nemesses and hobby horses, the nineteen fifty two 167 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: Invention Secrecy Act, which not only allows the U. S. 168 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: Patent Office to take possession of any patent that anyone 169 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: makes if they feel it compromises national security, uh, it 170 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: also allows them to put in a lifetime gag order, 171 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 1: meaning that invention is essentially stolen or frozen, stolen from 172 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: the inventor, frozen, and the inventor can never talk about 173 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: it or the rest of their lives in any form 174 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: or fashion, including written statements in memoirs, including deathbed confessions. 175 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: This sounds like it's some crazy X Files thing, but 176 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 1: it really happens. We have kind of an idea of 177 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: how many patents get squashed like this, but we have 178 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 1: no idea what those patents are about. Right. It reminds 179 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: me of a there's a Kate Bush song called cloud Busting. 180 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: I think I've mentioned before because it was association with 181 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: Wilhelm Reich, who was a guy who claimed to have 182 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,439 Speaker 1: invented some kind of rainmaking machine. Uh. And in that video, 183 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: Donald Sutherland plays at Wilhelm Reich asked character Kate Bush 184 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: plays his young son Um, and it's at even invents 185 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: this thing, and then at some point the men in 186 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: black suits come after him as a lyric and the 187 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: song and says that I will hide you from the government, 188 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: and it's all about like he's made this thing that's 189 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: too big to be out there and it would ruin everything. 190 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: And so the g men come for him and lock 191 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: him in a room and little Kate bushes crying and 192 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: running after him. Um. But yeah, we also talk about 193 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,040 Speaker 1: like the idea of suppressed technology that maybe is it 194 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: so disruptive, but we don't get it for many years, right, 195 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: Like surely you know the government has a flash drive 196 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: that's like fifty terabytes, but we're not going to get 197 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: that for a while, right We Like it's always released 198 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: a little at a time to the public sector once 199 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: it's kind of I don't know, been vetted or I'm 200 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 1: not sure how that works exactly, But do you know 201 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: what I mean, you guys, Yeah, for sure, there's always 202 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: that element, and we've discussed it before on this show. Um, 203 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: it doesn't make strategic sense to release the cutting edge 204 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: of your technology, even in the field if you're a 205 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: military to have it, let's say in a tank or 206 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: a flying vehicle that's just operating out in the open, right, 207 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense because you don't have any kind 208 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: of strategic advantage. If everybody knows what you're doing, even 209 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: if they have no idea what it is, they can 210 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: target that thing whatever it is, shoot one down, reverse engineer. 211 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: Now you no longer have that advantage, which is why 212 00:12:55,320 --> 00:13:00,959 Speaker 1: the intelligence agencies pretty much every government encourage really whacky 213 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 1: do UFO theories, right, because it makes a lot more 214 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: sense if no, that was that was a triangular quiet 215 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: object that went over that we have no idea what 216 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 1: it is, rather than oh, no, that's the stell helicopter 217 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: that's going to be revealed in a couple of years 218 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: when we you know, assassinate a Sama bin laden allegedly 219 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: right stealth helicopters, Right, That's that's one of the big 220 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: moments of the US Tech Warriors. Really, the bed UH 221 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: stealth helicopters. They were not supposed to get caught in Islamabad, 222 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: and they were certainly not supposed to be reverse engineered. 223 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 1: That's happening now. To get back to the and I 224 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: like the facts you're pointing out here, Matt. To get 225 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: back to the Invention Secrecy Act and why everyone listening 226 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: should be very concerned about this. The Federation of American 227 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: Scientists found that every year, there were one hundred and 228 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: seventeen new secrecy orders imposed every single year, and an 229 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: average of twenty three older secrecy orders were rescinded, meaning 230 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 1: the inventor to talk about it, meaning the UH the 231 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: pattern was allowed to officially exist. Again, that's just from seventeen. 232 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: Think about how much stuff is out there. I'm not 233 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:17,959 Speaker 1: trying to pour cold water on the idea of alien technology, 234 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: but I am highlighting and emphasizing, italicizing, bolding, underlining the 235 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: fact that there is technology that can make the world 236 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: a much better place or a much more dangerous place. 237 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: Imagine if someone is fooling around and they figure out, 238 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: you know, a way to build UH microwave emitting or 239 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: energy emitting weapon with basic publicly available components, or even 240 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: a nuclear powered device which is super out there. I 241 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: don't know if that really happens, but of course you 242 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: wouldn't want that to get out on the internet. It's 243 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: just a scary thing, very real. We're gonna keep track 244 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: of this story as it develops, uh to see whether 245 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: it's a distraction, whether they're sand to it. It's probably 246 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: an episode in the future, but that's something want to 247 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: leave with. And as you hear this, there will probably 248 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: be more information coming out, or we hope. So if 249 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: you're a fan of disclosure, if you think Uncle Sam 250 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: is admitting to extra terrestrial or non terrestrial craft, let 251 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: us know and let us know why. Maybe Bob Lazar 252 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: was right, is what a lot of people are saying online. 253 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: I don't want to belabor the point here at all, 254 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: but this feels like a highly important announcement and it 255 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: was buried as far as the timing goes the way 256 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: you were saying, Ben, it feels as though it was buried. 257 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: Here also feels like something that was kind of admitted 258 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: during one of these classified briefings that occurs with Senate, 259 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: you know, like the Senate Intelligence Select Committee or whatever 260 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: the name of it is. Jump all some words together. 261 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: That's the Select Committee. It feels like it was maybe 262 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: leaked somewhere and that's why we're talking about it um 263 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: and they had to just come out and speak publicly 264 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: to it. It feels very odd to me. That'll totally 265 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: makes sense. But I was saying the opposite at the beginning. 266 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: I was saying it was like a distract sen from 267 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: all the crazy stuff that's going on in the news. 268 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: But I see what you're saying, and I completely see 269 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: that side of it as well. They maybe we're trying 270 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: to bury the lead a little bit with this one, 271 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: but I don't know. It also feels like where is 272 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: the evidence that their arm is being twisted here? Just 273 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: that one video of the naval officers commenting on those 274 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: those twist at turney little guys. No, that's an old story. 275 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: We were talking about that three years ago. This is 276 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: a whole new thing, and it feels like some it 277 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: feels like trying to get it ahead of something. To me, Yeah, 278 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: I I completely agree. I think all three of us 279 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: are posing valid points, and even if these may seem 280 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: like contradicting genres of conjecture, the fact of the matter 281 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: is that we know something is happening. Something is up. 282 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: The question is, uh, what is the motivation for releasing 283 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: it now? I think is what we're circling around and 284 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: what else will be on the way? Only time will 285 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: tell at this point, So write to us let us know. Hey, 286 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: if you worked on one of these programs, Uh, go 287 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: ahead and share as much as you feel comfortable. We'd 288 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: love to hear from you. Conspiracy at iHeart radio dot com. 289 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: We're going to take a break for a word from 290 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: our sponsors, and assuming that we don't get abducted by aliens, 291 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: will be back with more strange news. And we're back. 292 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: Oh guys, I guess it's my turn. I guess I'm 293 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: the weird meat in the middle of the sandwich, but 294 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: not really as meaty as as either of the pieces 295 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: of bread today. That's a very roundabout way of saying 296 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: this story is sort of goofy and strange, but pretty 297 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: interesting and a good example of doing a bad job 298 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: at faking one's own death. That's obviously a huge source 299 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: for conspiracy. And someone dies or mysteriously disappears, or maybe 300 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:55,120 Speaker 1: they're under suspicion or want to get away from it all, 301 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 1: like a maybe celebrity type figure like an Elvis Pressley, 302 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 1: for example, the whole they fake their own death scenario 303 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 1: always seems to get bandied around. But what happens if 304 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: you you fake your own death? Um, and and mainly 305 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 1: do an okay job, but there's a fatal flaw in 306 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 1: your delivery. And that happened um. His past week, the 307 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: Associated Press ran a story with the headline man fake 308 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: death to avoid jail, but typo gave him away. Um. 309 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: And it's about a Long Island man named Robert Burger, 310 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: twenty five years old, his whole life ahead of him. Um. 311 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: He got in trouble for possessing a stolen car, attempted 312 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,199 Speaker 1: grand larceny of a truck, and I think he was 313 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: maybe on the hook for about a year a year 314 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: and a half or so of prison time. But instead 315 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: of just you know, facing up to his crimes, he 316 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: and his girlfriend orchestrated a seemingly pretty elaborate plot to 317 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: make it look like he had taken his own life. 318 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,160 Speaker 1: Maybe that's a little easier to do now that you're 319 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 1: you know, doing these like virtual hearings because of coronavirus. 320 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,199 Speaker 1: But I don't know, it seems pretty risky to me, 321 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: especially for um, you know, something that would only have 322 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: been about a year and a half in prison. And 323 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: you know, you can see the document that he submitted 324 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: or that his girlfriend submitted through his attorney, and it 325 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: looks legit except for one little detail. So you know, 326 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: he was scheduled to be sentenced to a year in 327 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 1: jail in October of last year, but he fled the 328 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 1: coupe and then worked with his girlfriend and she tried 329 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: to convince his lawyer at the time, Uh, the prosecutors 330 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: and the judge that he had killed himself. Um. And 331 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: then a death certificate was produced and it on first. 332 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: You know, when you look at this document, it looks 333 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: pretty legit. I mean, it looks got all the you know, 334 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: notary kind of seals and the right border and all 335 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: of that. But when you look a little closer, this 336 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: document supposedly issued by the New Jersey Department of Health 337 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 1: Vital Statists sticks and registry misspelled its own name. The 338 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 1: word registry is is painfully spelled red citree r G 339 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: S I t R Y like had we trust or 340 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: just so just so? UM? And I don't know. The 341 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: rest is history or should I say, hit story. They 342 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: found out that he was alive, um, and we're able 343 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 1: to track him down and arrested him in suburban Philadelphia. 344 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: And now this young man, with his whole life ahead 345 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: of him minus a year and a half or so 346 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 1: for his crimes, is now looking at closer to a 347 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: decade in prison for submitting false documents to a legal body. 348 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: Pseudo side that's the word for it. It's an unsuccessful 349 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: pseudo side attempt. Hm. It is, man, it does make 350 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: you think about a isitial documents like that. If you 351 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: go to that ap Um story, you can actually see 352 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 1: what it looks like and where the misspelling is and everything, 353 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 1: and it really does look like a New Jersey death certificate. 354 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: And it makes me wonder about the rest of the 355 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: you know, other major documents like that birth certificate, social 356 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: Security documents. It makes you think about how easy would 357 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: it be to forge one of those. It's actually I 358 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: think if you know the right people, it's easier to 359 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: get a fake one than to get the real documents. Sometimes, 360 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: anybody who's had to go through the rigamarole of getting 361 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: an original birth certificate or getting a replacement Social Security card, 362 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 1: you can see this system is optuse, byzantine and often 363 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: outdated and anachronistic. Like it's a it's a relic from 364 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: a different time. Man. Uh. I think part of that 365 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 1: is on purpose from Star of the Beast tactics of 366 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: people in government. Um, but you're right. You know we 367 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: talked about this before. The US is actually if you 368 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 1: did your cell phone, depend on how you support yourself. 369 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: The US is not the most difficult place in the 370 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: world to disappear off the grid. The problem with faking 371 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: your death is if you want to successfully fake your death, 372 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 1: you have to treat it as though you have really died. 373 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 1: No coming back to talk to your friends. Uh, no 374 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: contact with your kids or your loved ones. You have 375 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: to burn every bridge. Uh. Most of the time, people 376 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 1: who get caught for pseudo side are getting caught because 377 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: they keep some link of some sort to their old life, 378 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 1: or you know, as he talked about, for because they 379 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: try to get the money from life insurance or something 380 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: like that. I don't know. I don't know, man, but 381 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: that he's gonna have ten years to think about it 382 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, absolutely. Um. And the NASA County District 383 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: Attorney Madeline Singas had this to say about the case, 384 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: and she's just kind of flabbergasted. Uh. She says it 385 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: will never cease to amaze me the length some people 386 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: will go to to have way being held accountable on 387 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 1: criminal charges. And this is me, no matter how small. 388 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, I look, if I was up for 389 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: a year and a half in prison, that's a big deal. 390 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong. That would suck. That realization would 391 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: mess with me. I would be absolutely terrified. But do 392 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: I think I could get it? Think about the commitment 393 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: in having to fake your own death been to your point, 394 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 1: like to to really like just to dodge a year 395 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: and a half, You're going to what commit to being 396 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: completely off the grid for the rest of your life, 397 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: commit to having a completely assumed identity, and and think 398 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: that you're going to be successful in this. I mean, 399 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: this young man does seem to looking deeper into this, 400 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,679 Speaker 1: and also his public defender, who's spoken some interviews that 401 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: I that I saw, possibly have some some psychological problems 402 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: to contend with to believe that this was inappropriate. Uh, 403 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 1: you know alternative right, Well, you know it all fairness. 404 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: If we want to be objective about this, I feel 405 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 1: it's important and to point out that not everyone who 406 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: attempts pseudo side is doing it because they are criminal 407 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 1: or doing it because they're a bad person. There's a 408 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 1: domestic violence crisis, a long standing multigenerational abuse crisis throughout 409 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: the known world, and oftentimes people who are trapped in 410 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: abusive relationships. I don't want to say often, but you know, 411 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 1: it's it's not as rare as you think for someone 412 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: trapped in an abusive relationship to do their best to 413 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: burn every bridge, escape that, go somewhere else and start 414 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 1: a new life, uh, free from a monster, you know, 415 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: in human flesh. I think that's something we need to admit. 416 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: I I you know, there are films about it, like 417 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: Sleeping with the Enemy and so on, but those works 418 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 1: of fiction do come from a place of truth. I'm 419 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: just saying we shouldn't assume even if they're technically breaking 420 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: some laws by committing pseudo side, we should not as 421 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: whom that everyone doing it as a criminal. Yeah, they're 422 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: generally working, you know, somebody like that is generally working 423 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: with you know, an organization that's going to help do 424 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. It's not the same that scenarios 425 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: work into a witness protection program with a lot of 426 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: agencies that will work with people in abusive relationships. Both 427 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 1: men and women. Well, and that would be basically legal, right, 428 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 1: I mean, you can if you're wanting into win his protection. 429 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: There's nothing skirting the law about that. And creating a 430 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: new identity and all that. This is submitting false documents 431 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 1: to you know, a court of law, which is forgery 432 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: and also fraud. I did want to add that his 433 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 1: public defender was also interviewed in the name I'm not 434 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: seeing for some reason right now, but you can definitely 435 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: see him in a local New York Channel four piece 436 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 1: about this. He was actually freaked out that he was 437 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: going to be held up as an accomplice in this, 438 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: even though he was, you know, according to him anyway, 439 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: I just sort of a patsy. You know, he was 440 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: the go between, he was the one who delivered the 441 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: document to the court. But it looks like he's not 442 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: going to be in trouble for that. Um and Mr 443 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 1: Burger's new hearing is in a couple of days from 444 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 1: when we record this today. Uh it's July. He will 445 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: be in court again, Dancer for these charges on July nine. 446 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: You know, what's what's so fascinating about this is there 447 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 1: is a way too legally kind of fake your death 448 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: it's it's a very narrow window. There's an excellent book 449 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: about this, uh called Playing Dead, A Journey through the 450 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,199 Speaker 1: World of Death Fraud. We read this a number of 451 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: years ago, and we still never interviewed the author, but 452 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 1: the catches. It's not inherently illegal to fake your death. 453 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,880 Speaker 1: A lot of the steps people take to fake their deaths, 454 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: due to your point Noll, become illegal, like fraud submitting 455 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: a fraudulent document to the government. If you fake your 456 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: death and you get a library card under a different name, 457 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: that's also fraud. The way to fake your death legally, 458 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm this. Don't take this out of 459 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: context book. Way to fake your death legally is to 460 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: disappear for long enough that someone else declares you legally 461 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: dead and then just just just never contradict them for 462 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: the rest of your life. You have to live a 463 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: very modest, very low key lifestyle. Honestly, a lot of 464 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,360 Speaker 1: people probably aren't ready for it. That's what happened with 465 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: Carol Baskin's husband from the Tiger King documentary. She was 466 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 1: pushing for him to be declared legally dead so she 467 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,719 Speaker 1: could be his heir and inherit his assets. But he 468 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,719 Speaker 1: was not declared legally dead until he was missing for 469 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: a long enough time because they never found the body 470 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 1: because she fed it to her tigers. Just kidding, I 471 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: don't know. That's what the internet thinks. The other thing 472 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 1: there to think about is escaping debts, like if you're 473 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: if you're faking your own death too escape a massive debt. Um. 474 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: I can imagine that could be a problematic for you. 475 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: Isn't necessarily fraud. I'm not sure with the legal action 476 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: or term would be faking one's death to escape a debt, uh, 477 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: But yeah, I imagine that that's probably happened before. Death 478 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: to debts. That's what I say, hashtag death to debts, 479 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: especially student loan debt. It's wrecking uh, an entire generation. 480 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: I would say the effects of it long term are 481 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: gonna be almost as significant as the long term effects 482 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: of China's infamous one child policy back in the day. 483 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: We don't know what's going to happen, but I do 484 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: want to point out there is an entire industry of 485 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: vultures who will go to the relatives of someone who 486 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: just died if they have student loan debt and try 487 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: to convince them they have to pay for it. If 488 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: you have federal government loans and you die, they are 489 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: not someone else's responsibility. And those people are vultures. They're unclean, 490 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: so it's totally unrelated. Sorry, guess no, No, I just 491 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: I I feel like I feel like it's understandable. I'm 492 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: not condoning and faking one stath, but I feel like 493 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: there are understandable circumstances in which one would need to 494 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: do so and to be brought low by something as 495 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: small as the typo. It turns out our our grammar 496 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: teachers were correct. You need to spell check more more 497 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,479 Speaker 1: than we probably should. This podcast is brought to you 498 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: by Grammarly. Are you trying to fake your death and 499 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: need a plausible looking death certificate when I run it 500 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: through Grammarly before you send it on to your legal representation. 501 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: This episode of Stuff they Don't Want to Know is 502 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: actually not sponsored by Grammarly, but call us. So. No, 503 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: this guy is gonna be thirty five thirty six. I 504 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: guess if if he gets is he been convicted of this? Well? Yeah, no, 505 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: I guess not. I mean he's like I said, he's 506 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: he's gonna be in court in a couple of days. Um, 507 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: for this these the answer to these new crimes, which 508 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: you're way, way worse than uh coppin Alexis and attempting 509 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: to steal a truck. I don't even have the details 510 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 1: about that. I just said something to the effect of 511 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: attempted grand larceny. Um was looking at about a year 512 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: and a half in the clank, and now he's looking 513 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 1: at ten years, so he'll be around our age or 514 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: my age anyway when he gets out. Um, that's a bummer. 515 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: I hate that this happened to him, but it really 516 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: was an example of cutting your nose off to spite. 517 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,959 Speaker 1: Don't face, don't don't feel too bad for him. He 518 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: was facing charges for stealing cars. Yeah. Grand larceny is 519 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: just nomenclature wise, one of my favorite criminal phrases because 520 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 1: it means stealing something above a legally specified amount, So 521 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: there's just regular larceny and then it's like larceny deluxe 522 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: or supersized larceny. Uh. It's also it can be charged 523 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 1: as a misdemeanor or a felony, So that's your point. 524 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: He Uh, he gambled, He gambled hard. He didn't use 525 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: spell check for one reason or another, probably because he's 526 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: under a lot of personal stress, I guess, and then 527 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: uh instead of one year. He also I have another theory. 528 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: Photoshop doesn't have very good spell check, you guys. If 529 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: you're just typing in text into Photoshop, it doesn't automatically 530 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: give you red text if you mess up. So I 531 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: would always if you're forging documents out there, kids, I 532 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: would always copy and paste your text from a word 533 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: document into Photoshop first. A pro tip, yes, yes, and 534 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: always ce see someone at the office of the Interior 535 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: when you're going to be sending out emails about how 536 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: you're foraging documents. I think there were some other inconsistencies 537 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:35,959 Speaker 1: to actually, you guys, and it had to do with 538 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: more photoshoppy type stuff. It was inconsistencies and font sizes um, 539 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: which again that's just sloppy photoshop work right there. You 540 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: gotta you gotta have consistency in your font sizes if 541 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: you wanted to look like it's legit. And back to 542 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: what you guys were talking about earlier, I just want 543 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: to finish up with this. We said probably have a 544 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: couple of seconds left in this segment, but it is 545 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: kind of crazy that we rely on paper anything, and 546 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: that someone could jam me up because I don't have 547 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: a physical copy of my Social Security card. When there's 548 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: all this information digitally that you know that they can 549 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: indicate who I am. And yet there's some folks, whether 550 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: it's for a job or whether it's for whatever it is, 551 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: they need to see a copy of that thing, and 552 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: it can just be a scan. You know, it's not 553 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: like they have to hold it in their hand. You know, 554 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: that's not always true. Some of the most important things, 555 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: you you need a notarized version where a physical person 556 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: had a physical copy, checked that copy, looked at you, 557 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: looked at your other papers, and then signed that it's 558 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: legit before any kind of transaction can occur. And you know, 559 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: I would just argue that I think it's absolutely vital, 560 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: speaking of vital records and registries, I think it's vital 561 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: that there is a physical copy that has some kind 562 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: of security on that piece of paper or whatever document 563 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: it is that can prove that this is an actual thing. 564 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: Because with the digitization of all of these vital records, 565 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: you're talking about photoshop, but there are hundreds, probably thousands 566 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: of different applications that you could open up something like 567 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: this or start a new one or alter one, and 568 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: you know, not only steal someone's identity, but you could 569 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: you could do a lot of nefarious things with with 570 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:13,959 Speaker 1: a digital copy of something like that. It's a good 571 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 1: it's a good point you make, Matt. Now, it's a 572 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: very good point. Uh. Maybe that level of old schoolness 573 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: is that it still serves a functional purpose in our society. Um. 574 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: And it would be kind of a bummer to completely 575 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: like the same same thing goes along with Cashle's economy. Right, 576 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: do you or do you not want that receipt when 577 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: you go and vote, Like we just we're talking about 578 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: that on an episode where when you vote now you 579 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: get a receipt essentially you get a paper ballot from 580 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 1: your electronic interaction with a voting machine. It feels like 581 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: you want that. I want that. Um. It's an important 582 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: record keeping part of the whole system, I think. But 583 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: it is a dinosaur, I agree, but a necessary dinosaur. 584 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,959 Speaker 1: All right, Well, that's about enough of that. Let's have 585 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: another quick sponsor break and then we'll be back with 586 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 1: more strange news. Okay, we're back, And this story is 587 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 1: essentially dovetailing off of Knowle's tale there of forging documents 588 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 1: this one, however, takes us to well, it doesn't take 589 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,840 Speaker 1: us here. We're going to Topeka, Kansas for the story 590 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: from w i b W that's a local CBS affiliate there, 591 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: channel thirteen. They have a story called man using prosthetic 592 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: masks to steal one d thousand dollars from casinos arrested 593 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: by Prairie Band Pottawatomi Tribal police. And that that headline 594 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 1: just alone is is odd and it sounds odd. And 595 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 1: you may have a picture in your mind of someone 596 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 1: just like you, like us, going out into the world 597 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: right now in this time of COVID and wearing of 598 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: a mask on your face. That's what we do. That's 599 00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 1: what we're supposed to do. To get into a lot 600 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 1: of store is you have to have one, and it 601 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,319 Speaker 1: would be smart for you to wear one right now. 602 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,439 Speaker 1: I'm just saying that I'm not a medical professional, but 603 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: I think it would be smart. Um No, that is 604 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 1: not at all what's happening. We are talking about a 605 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,320 Speaker 1: full on c I a level m I six prosthetic 606 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: mask that looks human, it looks like skin. It is incredible. 607 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 1: There are pictures on this article. I don't know if 608 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,360 Speaker 1: you guys have the article up all right now, it 609 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: looks kind of like ed Asner, A bit like ed Asner, 610 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 1: reminds me um for some reason, a bit of breaking bad. 611 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: It's a it's a bald mask, older Caucasian male, very 612 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: wrinkly face. He's wearing glasses. And this is a full 613 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: on prosthetic mask that this person was wearing. Here here's 614 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: where it gets crazy, I guess. So this mask, the 615 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: guy would wear it and go into casinos and go 616 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 1: to the teller machines or rather the the a t 617 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:09,479 Speaker 1: M s essentially within casinos, and he would take out 618 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:14,840 Speaker 1: tons of money. We're talking about twenty dollars at one time, 619 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: over the course of several transactions with several different accounts, 620 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,439 Speaker 1: but in one sitting at a casino, he would take 621 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 1: out twenty dollars. Here's why it's really crazy. He is 622 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 1: pulling that from multiple bank accounts, from multiple people whose 623 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 1: identification and information he has at some point allegedly taken 624 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,400 Speaker 1: from the Internet or gotten from the Internet or paid 625 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 1: for in some way over over the Internet, and then 626 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:49,360 Speaker 1: has created false identity, false papers like um driver's licenses 627 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 1: essentially for a lot of the people that he was 628 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 1: he was taking money from. He would go into these 629 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 1: casinos use that fake identification because you have to actually 630 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,839 Speaker 1: scan an eye D when you're pulling money out at 631 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 1: a lot of these as an extra security measure. So 632 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 1: not only does he have a fake credit card or 633 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 1: a copy of a credit card, a fake I D 634 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 1: that has the correct information and is scannable, He's got 635 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,360 Speaker 1: all of that stuff while wearing a mask that is 636 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,400 Speaker 1: c I A level. I don't know this. This story 637 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: in itself is pretty incredible that this guy went to 638 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 1: those lengths to do that, and he must have been 639 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,879 Speaker 1: making plenty of money. This is interesting because I think 640 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 1: a lot of people maybe just saw a Game of 641 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 1: Thrones or something in the Mission Impossible franchise, or perhaps 642 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,760 Speaker 1: if you are a native of the southeastern United States, 643 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 1: you saw a six Flags commercial once upon a time 644 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:48,839 Speaker 1: with a very animated UH dancer made to look like 645 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,960 Speaker 1: an old man convincingly. So the thing is, this technology 646 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,319 Speaker 1: is not only out there, it's been here for a 647 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,360 Speaker 1: very very long time. What this guy is wearing without 648 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 1: being next looks to me like what the company the 649 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 1: CIA calls a semi animated mask. A semi animated mask 650 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 1: as long as you don't have the wrong kind of lighting. 651 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: A semi animated mask will allow you a pretty good 652 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,280 Speaker 1: range of convincing facial expression. The only thing you can't 653 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 1: really do convincingly with a semi animated mask is laugh 654 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 1: because then it will, uh, you'll see the kind of 655 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:32,440 Speaker 1: uncanny valley aspects of it. Also, this technology, it's amazing. 656 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 1: It's the reason this guy is dressing like an old 657 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 1: person is because of the wrinkles. It's easier to make 658 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 1: someone look old. You can hide some of the articulation points. 659 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 1: There's a great interview or a number of great interviews 660 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 1: with Jonah Mendez. Her job at the CIA was entirely 661 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 1: to make these kind of disguises. I am not at 662 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 1: all surprised that the technology is out there with a civilian. 663 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 1: But you gotta say, even though the guy's a criminal 664 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: and he got caught, so he was ultimately unsuccessful, I 665 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,959 Speaker 1: gotta respect the hustle. He knew what he was doing. 666 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,240 Speaker 1: Do we know how he got caught? Matt Oh, yeah, Okay, 667 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna read again from this article from w 668 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:15,400 Speaker 1: I b W was written by Grant Stevens, published on 669 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,719 Speaker 1: July of this year. I'm just gonna read some of 670 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,720 Speaker 1: this is pretty great reporting and it's kind of exciting. Okay, 671 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 1: just a quick background here. This guy had been doing 672 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,440 Speaker 1: this for a while. The MGM Grand Casino is the 673 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 1: place that originally identified that something was happening. They found 674 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,479 Speaker 1: at least ten victims of identity theft that had lost 675 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:42,959 Speaker 1: approximately hundred thousand dollars in late April to late May 676 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: of last year. Okay, so they know something's going on 677 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,160 Speaker 1: there checking their tapes, they're looking back, they see something 678 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 1: is going on that's strange. This guy looks strange and 679 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 1: he's taken out all this money. For sure, it's very weird. 680 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,280 Speaker 1: But then eventually the Prairie Band potoa Tomi Tribal police 681 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,120 Speaker 1: they caught this guy in action and this is how 682 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 1: it went down. So the employees there at the casino, 683 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,800 Speaker 1: they're watching surveillance video. They see that somebody is looking 684 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 1: a little weird. An elderly white man is looking weird. 685 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 1: He's got on a straw hat, glasses, he's using a 686 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 1: mobility walker, and they see him going around and withdraw 687 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,400 Speaker 1: around twenty k from various kiosks, So twenty dollars from 688 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 1: various kiosks. They go and approach the man, and they 689 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 1: asked for his social Security number, a little more information 690 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,600 Speaker 1: about him because they're watching him take out all this cash. Right, 691 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 1: and he went to the restroom. This guy immediately goes, nope, 692 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to the bathroom. A different person walked 693 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 1: out of the bathroom, and they noticed that that person 694 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,360 Speaker 1: had a noticeable bulge down the front of their pants. 695 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,479 Speaker 1: Um so they assumed, I guess that it was the mask, 696 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 1: and they went in. They checked the restroom. They found 697 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 1: a bunch of clothes the mobility walker that this guy 698 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 1: was using a key to a niece on two different mission, 699 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:04,400 Speaker 1: in driver's licenses, and about eleven grand in cash just 700 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,479 Speaker 1: sitting there in the bathroom. After this elderly white man 701 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 1: walked in and a different person walked out. Here's the thing. 702 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 1: On the back of those driver's licenses, there were social 703 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:18,280 Speaker 1: security numbers and telephone numbers and some other information written 704 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 1: on the backs on sticky notes. So this guy obviously 705 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,440 Speaker 1: had numerous ideas like this where he could just pull 706 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,800 Speaker 1: all that information from when he's going to a kiosk 707 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,879 Speaker 1: or an a t M and pulling money out. Right, 708 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:35,480 Speaker 1: they've go to his car. They found four more prosthetic masks. 709 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:40,439 Speaker 1: They found flash drives full of stuff, books on how 710 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,600 Speaker 1: to get away with crime. That's a quote from the article. 711 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,360 Speaker 1: There um probably a lot of the information that he 712 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,600 Speaker 1: had stolen from people. They found I D cards, all 713 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:54,440 Speaker 1: kinds of receipts from different kiosks, and you know, you 714 00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,279 Speaker 1: just realized that this guy had been doing this for 715 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:01,240 Speaker 1: a long time and he had been really successful because 716 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:07,839 Speaker 1: they they found eighty three driver's licenses, fourteen insurance cards 717 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,640 Speaker 1: in different names, nineteen player cards from a bunch of 718 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:16,360 Speaker 1: different casinos, two I D Cards from staff at Birmingham University, 719 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,120 Speaker 1: and a social Security card under a different name. That 720 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:24,799 Speaker 1: is insane to me, the level of sophistication of this 721 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 1: guy's operation. And I would love to know more about 722 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,279 Speaker 1: how long this guy's been doing it. And this is 723 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,840 Speaker 1: what I'm hoping. That he's going to be able to 724 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,840 Speaker 1: write a book or tell his story in a movie, 725 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:37,680 Speaker 1: but he won't be able to make any money on it, 726 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,200 Speaker 1: but will at least be able to know the full 727 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,279 Speaker 1: the full context. Have you both seen the movie Good 728 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:48,400 Speaker 1: Time with Robert Pattinson. It was the precursor to Uncut 729 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,319 Speaker 1: Gems by the Softy Brothers. No, it's very good. But 730 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:52,759 Speaker 1: there's a particularly scene at the very beginning of the 731 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,800 Speaker 1: movie where Um, one of the Softy Brothers who plays 732 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,759 Speaker 1: a character in the movie, plays Robert Pattinson's brother. They 733 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,880 Speaker 1: rob a bank using these types of masks, probably slightly 734 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,759 Speaker 1: less advanced versions, but pretty pretty convincing, but definitely not 735 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 1: that level of articulation. And I was thinking about it. 736 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,920 Speaker 1: I think the way you get that articulation is these 737 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,160 Speaker 1: are actually applied with like spirit gum, directly to the face. 738 00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,719 Speaker 1: It's not just like a pullover mask. So you know, 739 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,360 Speaker 1: it has to be directly on the skin for that 740 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,239 Speaker 1: articulation even happened. So this, you know, he would have 741 00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:24,799 Speaker 1: had to have a little bit of of know how 742 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,080 Speaker 1: to even to pull this off. One thing he did 743 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,720 Speaker 1: that is pretty intelligent. Going back to that real world 744 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:37,120 Speaker 1: example from Jonah Mindez, who was a fantastic Reddit a 745 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:41,400 Speaker 1: m A about this, is that the mask itself is 746 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:47,600 Speaker 1: not enough, just like verbalization is maybe of communication of 747 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,840 Speaker 1: mask or your face is is a large percentage of 748 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,840 Speaker 1: a disguise, but it is by no means the silver bullet. 749 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,360 Speaker 1: If you really want to blend in somewhere and become 750 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,200 Speaker 1: someone else. You have to as they say, do as 751 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,960 Speaker 1: the Romans do, if you are an American, for instance, 752 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,240 Speaker 1: I think everybody has done that. Well, I assume everybody 753 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,120 Speaker 1: has done this at some point when traveling internationally, Like 754 00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,560 Speaker 1: when I was homeless in Paris for a while, I did. 755 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,160 Speaker 1: I figured out how to like sort of look French 756 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:21,080 Speaker 1: when I'm just walking around, and and they're very small things, 757 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,719 Speaker 1: like you don't like Americans. This from the c I 758 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,880 Speaker 1: A U. S. Presidents tend to when we're standing favor 759 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,600 Speaker 1: one leg or the other. And that's why it was 760 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 1: so clever for this guy to use a walker, right, 761 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,279 Speaker 1: he used a walker mat and he was disguising his 762 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,200 Speaker 1: typical gait, which is kind of a gamble. I think 763 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,920 Speaker 1: that's risky and it's brave as hell because using a 764 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,680 Speaker 1: walker is going to get so many eyes on you. Right, 765 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,799 Speaker 1: So I bet you know what, I bet he practiced. 766 00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,440 Speaker 1: I bet he practiced at home, Uh extensively, that's you know, 767 00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,759 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm fascinated with this. I agree with you, 768 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,759 Speaker 1: and make for a fantastic film. Yeah, yes, Ben, everyone 769 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:03,280 Speaker 1: has attempted to become French while traveling abroad. In France. 770 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,719 Speaker 1: I was trying to imagine. I've never been, but I 771 00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,719 Speaker 1: can totally imagine, you know what. I know exactly what 772 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,799 Speaker 1: that's like, because even if I'm going to let's say 773 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,880 Speaker 1: New York City or something, I want to attempt to 774 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,440 Speaker 1: look like I'm from there and not just look like 775 00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,960 Speaker 1: somebody coming in from Georgia or wherever. Yeah, I think 776 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,080 Speaker 1: that's an important skill to be able to have, but 777 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:24,960 Speaker 1: it is not. It doesn't come easy, so I would 778 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that's a good skill to 779 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,000 Speaker 1: train yourself in. Maybe and this guy, this guy did 780 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,520 Speaker 1: not have help, are willing help from the CIA? As 781 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,879 Speaker 1: far as wait, are you saying you did have help 782 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:42,560 Speaker 1: from the Okay, it shows you what a little research 783 00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,480 Speaker 1: can do. I'm wondering though, just the underlining. By the way, 784 00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,880 Speaker 1: pretty sure we said this, but this was not a 785 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,920 Speaker 1: Vegas crime, right, No, this occurred or he was caught 786 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,440 Speaker 1: at the Prairie Band Casino and Resort in Maeta, Kansas. 787 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,319 Speaker 1: That's where he was picked up, and then a lot 788 00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,080 Speaker 1: of the others stuff occurred in I believe he was 789 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,600 Speaker 1: in Michigan where the what was the MGM Grand was 790 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,080 Speaker 1: where he had done his previous work, so he was 791 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:11,040 Speaker 1: smart enough to try to not consistently keep hitting the 792 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,560 Speaker 1: same place. I wonder what the other four masks look like. 793 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,480 Speaker 1: I know, I think you had shared with us an 794 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:22,680 Speaker 1: article that has a picture of some of his alternate things, 795 00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:27,839 Speaker 1: their variations upon a theme. Right, yes, exactly. Sometimes he's 796 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,759 Speaker 1: got a hat on, almost always a windbreaker because you know, 797 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:35,520 Speaker 1: you gotta have a windbreaker. Um, and the glasses are 798 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,399 Speaker 1: are important. They really do seem to sell it pretty well. 799 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,640 Speaker 1: He also there's you know, he had variations too, Like 800 00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,719 Speaker 1: there's one where he's wearing like a knit cap. So 801 00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,759 Speaker 1: I appreciate kind of humanizes the whole look a little 802 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,080 Speaker 1: bit because it fits. It all fits pretty well, because 803 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,120 Speaker 1: some think about it that looks too floppy, And I 804 00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:51,799 Speaker 1: doubt that he was. He's kind of I think the 805 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,640 Speaker 1: fact that he's old to most people wouldn't you know, 806 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,520 Speaker 1: necessarily give him a second looks. A lot of old 807 00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,799 Speaker 1: people of casinos and he's he's not dealing with a 808 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,960 Speaker 1: human being most of the time, right, yeah, he's he's 809 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:08,000 Speaker 1: dealing with what is it called the global payments gaming services. 810 00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,279 Speaker 1: That's all he's doing. There a t m S. You know, 811 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,640 Speaker 1: one last thing I want to hit here, this guy 812 00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,520 Speaker 1: couldn't have gotten away with any of what he did, 813 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,480 Speaker 1: you know, stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars potentially the 814 00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,359 Speaker 1: stuff we don't know about yet. Um couldn't have gotten 815 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,520 Speaker 1: away with any of that if he didn't have access 816 00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:31,280 Speaker 1: to individuals personal identification and he got it somehow. Because 817 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,200 Speaker 1: there are leaks all over the place that occur, because 818 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:38,160 Speaker 1: there are exploits in different pieces of software, maybe just 819 00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:42,720 Speaker 1: a website. Wherever you know important information is encrypted and stored, 820 00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,359 Speaker 1: there are other people constantly trying to get in and 821 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,799 Speaker 1: get that information successfully. That's right, and we see it 822 00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,759 Speaker 1: happening more and more. It's just a reminder, I think, 823 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,880 Speaker 1: to all of us to be absolutely as vigilant as 824 00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,400 Speaker 1: you possibly can with where you put in your vital 825 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,439 Speaker 1: information because you can't always control where it's stored or 826 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,000 Speaker 1: if it's sold, you know, to a third party by someone. 827 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,520 Speaker 1: But do everything you can on your side to make 828 00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:14,880 Speaker 1: sure you've got two step verification for absolutely everything that's important, 829 00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:19,440 Speaker 1: and uh, just protect yourself. Don't reuse passwords, for the 830 00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,960 Speaker 1: love of God, then have some you know, alpha numeric 831 00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,200 Speaker 1: characters in them. Change it up a little bit. You know, 832 00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,520 Speaker 1: or use one of those password wallet things, and there's 833 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,120 Speaker 1: one Jonathan Striclett always talked about using, but I'm forgetting 834 00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,360 Speaker 1: the name of it now. But yeah, they basically you 835 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,120 Speaker 1: have a master password and then they generate like a safe, 836 00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:41,319 Speaker 1: you know, super strong security password through an algorithm for you, 837 00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:43,680 Speaker 1: and then you just use the app and you know 838 00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,960 Speaker 1: your master password. But God forbid someone get your master password, 839 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,040 Speaker 1: and then I guess they could hack that, so who knows, man, 840 00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,560 Speaker 1: But to your point, I guess just be safe is 841 00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,120 Speaker 1: the biggest takeaway here. And somebody could just get in 842 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,960 Speaker 1: my modem right now and there's nothing I could do. 843 00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:02,759 Speaker 1: They'd have everything. So yeah, let's live dangerously boys. And 844 00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,279 Speaker 1: on that note, I think I can speak for all 845 00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,880 Speaker 1: of us when I say we are excited to hear 846 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,480 Speaker 1: from you. Have you faked your death? Have you faked 847 00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:16,880 Speaker 1: someone else's death? Have you lived a life under a 848 00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:21,480 Speaker 1: different alias for one reason or another, whether recreation or 849 00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:25,200 Speaker 1: necessity in some other part of the world, whether that's 850 00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,239 Speaker 1: a different city in the same country, whether that's a 851 00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:33,160 Speaker 1: different country, whether it's for you know, fourteen years or 852 00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,279 Speaker 1: for six hours at the airport. I don't want to 853 00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,799 Speaker 1: disclose too much. But I have always imagined there are 854 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,640 Speaker 1: many many of you out there. Uh and then of 855 00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:46,240 Speaker 1: course let us know disclosure. Is it coming from Uncle Sam? 856 00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:50,640 Speaker 1: Is this yet another distraction and if so, what is 857 00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,200 Speaker 1: it meant to distract us from we want to hear 858 00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,360 Speaker 1: from you. Thank you for tuning in. As always, you 859 00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,280 Speaker 1: can find us all over the internet. We're on Facebook, 860 00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,759 Speaker 1: where on Instagram, We're on Twitter or our Twitter is 861 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,319 Speaker 1: actually pretty good resource. We we hear a lot of 862 00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,799 Speaker 1: strange stuff on that, so do check it out. If 863 00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,640 Speaker 1: you are Facebook and client, visit us at one of 864 00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:13,280 Speaker 1: the best Facebook community pages. Here's where it gets crazy. 865 00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:15,320 Speaker 1: I've been keeping a promise to myself to be a 866 00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,480 Speaker 1: little more active in it and just keeping an eye 867 00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,400 Speaker 1: on it. And man, it's almost like there's more posts 868 00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,480 Speaker 1: coming in than we know how to shake a stick at. Uh. 869 00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,239 Speaker 1: So I think we've all been popping in there a 870 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,640 Speaker 1: little more frequently lately as well. It's all you gotta 871 00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,760 Speaker 1: do to get in there is name one or two 872 00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,360 Speaker 1: or all three or or any either of our superproducers 873 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,160 Speaker 1: and and you're in. You're in, like Flann or just 874 00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,040 Speaker 1: say something that in the case you know what the 875 00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,759 Speaker 1: show is or to make Ben laugh. Bonus points if 876 00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:45,680 Speaker 1: you mentioned Alexis Jackson. Cheez if you dude, if you 877 00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,439 Speaker 1: mentioned Alexis Jackson, you're gonna get bonus points and you're 878 00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:53,600 Speaker 1: gonna get nothing for free. But well we'll think you're cool. Okay, Well, 879 00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:57,360 Speaker 1: real quick, real quick, what about Alexis the Nexus Jackson 880 00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,239 Speaker 1: kind of like allegedly, but I feel like we should 881 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,520 Speaker 1: keep all our options open at this point, and Alexis 882 00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:07,359 Speaker 1: is with us today, maybe we'll get maybe we'll get 883 00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:12,840 Speaker 1: some insight from superproducer Alexis on personal preferences for nicknames 884 00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,000 Speaker 1: at some love It. If you'd like to tell us 885 00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,319 Speaker 1: one of those, or you know, tell us about your 886 00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:23,479 Speaker 1: UFO experience or your abduction experience into a UFO. Maybe 887 00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,319 Speaker 1: you've had one of those. Maybe you've worked, like Ben 888 00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,800 Speaker 1: said earlier in the episode, for one of these programs 889 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,359 Speaker 1: and you're ready to tell somebody about it. You can 890 00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,600 Speaker 1: reach out to us pretty securely. There are ways to 891 00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,719 Speaker 1: make your phone number anonymous. You can do that, and 892 00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,680 Speaker 1: you can call our number. It is one eight three 893 00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:45,880 Speaker 1: three st d w y t K. Seriously, find a 894 00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:47,920 Speaker 1: way to do it. They're out there. Just give it 895 00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,400 Speaker 1: a quick look. Up wherever you are, give us a 896 00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,640 Speaker 1: call and honestly at that number and tell us the 897 00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:56,480 Speaker 1: information that we've all been waiting to hear. Disclose to us. 898 00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,040 Speaker 1: We're here for it. We will talk about it guaranteed. 899 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:00,960 Speaker 1: If you don't want to do any stuff, you don't 900 00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,080 Speaker 1: like social media, you don't like telephones, you don't want 901 00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:05,919 Speaker 1: to touch physical out, well, he still now you could. 902 00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,680 Speaker 1: You could probably do this wirelessly one of those smart speakers. 903 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,279 Speaker 1: You can send us a good old fashioned email. We 904 00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:34,640 Speaker 1: are conspiracy at i heart radio dot com. Stuff they 905 00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,560 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. Is a production of I 906 00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,799 Speaker 1: heart Radio. 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