1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to Move the Sticks podcast. I'm Bucky Brooks. Danner 3 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: Jeremiah is away on this one, but I'm excited to 4 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: be joined by I would say, one of my closest 5 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: friends in the football world, someone who is looked well 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: accomplished in what he does. Pack twelve analysts a U 7 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: should I say, award winning best selling author two times, 8 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: all this other stuff, Let's just bring on Yogi Roth, Yogi, 9 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 1: what's up? Man? How you doing? U? Man? It's fun 10 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: right like you're you're coaching, you're balling. Um, I'm almost there. 11 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: Games are almost here in college football? You know what 12 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 1: it is. I don't know if i'd imagine it happens 13 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: to you, But like I work out even harder in 14 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: August because the body is just ready to like do 15 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: double sessions, which I feel like athletes don't even know 16 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: what those are there, man, Like they don't even know. Um. 17 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: I think for some background, like Yogia, I got together 18 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: Etlita love and like, man, I can't even it's been 19 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: so long since how do you want? I think it's 20 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: like maybe ten twelve years for me, you've always kind 21 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: of been around the journey. You've watched these quarterbacks go up. 22 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: But before we talk about that part of it, just 23 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: talk about your football journey, because I think it's important 24 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: for people to know about your football journey, so then 25 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: you can talk about how that impacts how you see 26 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: these things when you interact with young people. Yeah, it's 27 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: a good question, and I love listening to you ask 28 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: people questions on your show because they're super thoughtful and 29 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 1: it gives you the lens in which they see the craft. 30 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: And so for me, I grew up in a tiny 31 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: town in the middle of Pennsylvania. Think varsity blues people 32 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: and those stoplights. The only thing that existed was high 33 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: school football, and I was the son of a refugee mom, 34 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: had a weird name, brothers gay, like, didn't really fit, 35 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: and football was like my thing. It was the only 36 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: thing I could really latch onto, so much so that 37 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: I just believed, like a lot of kids in high school, 38 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: they could play at the highest level. So I walked 39 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: on at pit got lucky, played in my second game 40 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: as a freshman, and then the scholarship story kind of 41 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: ensues that we see all across the country every every 42 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: training camper, so UH started a sophomore and kind of 43 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: had that no backup slot type of right wide receiver 44 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: career UM. And then Larry Fitzgerald came in and became 45 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: all everything, and I became his understudy, which was was 46 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: an absolute blast. And from there I jumped out to 47 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: l A to join you out here in Southern California 48 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: and coach at USC for four years UH and really 49 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: just learned to me so much from Coach Carroll and 50 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: Steve Sarkisian and Lane Kiffin. I like to say, those 51 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: guys gave me, you know, my my master's in offense, 52 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: and Pete gave me a PhD in philosophy and coaching 53 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 1: and building teams. And then transition because I don't want 54 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: to leave the beach to broadcasting, and this is I 55 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: think you're fifteen or sixteen for me calling games. I 56 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: love calling games on the West Coast. I love celebrating 57 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: the game and coaching the viewer. And as you know, 58 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: with the Elite eleven, I just did I think you're 59 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: sixteen with them of just getting to know these guys 60 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: in their sixteen and sometimes I don't talk to him 61 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: again until they're thirty six right, like I did in 62 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 1: this book that I just released called five Star qube League, 63 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: when when they're married, or they're going through divorce or 64 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: coming out of rehab, or having their first kid, or 65 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: just retired from the NFL or never played in college. 66 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: And to me, building those relationships is the cornerstone of me. 67 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: And that probably goes back to being a walk on 68 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: man when so many of my teammates, like Larry, weren't 69 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 1: afraid to build relationships with a guy who maybe don't 70 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: have the accolties that they did. And that's always been 71 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: something that I hold dear to me. You know. It's funny, 72 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: so we we have parallels in so many different ways 73 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: about your journey. So one as the dad of a 74 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: walk on my son as a walk on baseball player 75 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: at San Jose State. Uh, it's really inspiring to me 76 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: to hear your story because it is from Afar watching it, 77 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: because his journey is so much different than my journey. 78 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: And the communication and the connectivity and when you see 79 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: guys bring them in, it is like, you know, because 80 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: as a walk and I would imagine that one thing 81 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: that you want is to be respected and to be 82 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: one of the guys. And then let your game kind 83 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: of take you wherever it takes you. The other part 84 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: of it is your relationship ship with Pete Carroll because 85 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: as an inspiring coach before I got into coach, and 86 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: Pete Carroll to me was like the way that you 87 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: did it, the energy, the electricity, the way usc was 88 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: at his height doing his error was everything. What are 89 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: some of the things that you learned just from being 90 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: a part of that process with Pete in terms of 91 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: building teams, are communicating with players that just kind of 92 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: helped you going forward. Oh man, there's there's so much. 93 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: I think the first thing that came into mind as 94 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: you referenced your son and I was up at San 95 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: Jose State talking to Brent Brennan and he told me 96 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: that your son was walking on there. Uh, in a 97 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 1: different sport, but still the culture there. I think since 98 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: Brent has gotten there, has taking a football team and 99 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: football teams are often siloed in a different world and 100 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 1: brought it together with all the sports, so it's a 101 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: it's a real healthy place for him. And I can 102 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: remember my first day as a walk on they I 103 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,239 Speaker 1: went to the equipment manager and I said, Hey, where's 104 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 1: my locker? I can't find my last name in the 105 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: eighties or the single digits, or even the twenties or thirties, 106 00:04:55,760 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 1: and he goes, oh Roth locker one oh six, And 107 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: I went to locker one o six with a d 108 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: Lineman face mask and shoes that were two sides of 109 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: too big. In that moment, I can remember saying to myself, 110 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: and I don't I hope your son hasn't had, like, 111 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: you know, equipment that's dramatically offer his skill set. But 112 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: I said to myself, Yogi, from here on out, you're 113 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: in a relentless pursuit of a competitive edge. And I 114 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: just threw down in that moment in the year two 115 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: thousand and training camp and and just started setting goals 116 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: that I felt were attainable and others didn't. And it 117 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 1: really set me up for success. And I say that 118 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: because when I joined Pete Carroll staff coach and I 119 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: met when I was nineteen, I had just gotten put 120 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: on scholarship. And he's always had a walk on mentality. 121 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: When you go back to his career Pacific or even 122 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: in coaching, uh massive chip on his shoulder always thinks 123 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: he could probably play higher than he could. I was 124 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: the same way and we got along playing newon hoops. 125 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: I came out to train on spring break and we 126 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: would just play, and I'm talking, he would keep me 127 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 1: after we'd go one on one and he's mid fifties 128 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 1: at the time, and we'd be elbow and you know, 129 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 1: I wouldn't back down. He wouldn't back down, and we 130 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 1: became I think, like kindred spirits in that regard, and 131 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: thankfully I recognized it then and definitely now of in 132 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: my young twenties having a guy like that mentor me, 133 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: but also showcase principles that lead to a championship culture, 134 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: such as, let's be in a relentless pursuit of a 135 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: competitive edge, such as, hey, create value where you are. 136 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: Don't worry about climbing the ladder of success rung by rung. 137 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: But if you create value, people will a trust you 138 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: and play you like your son, or trust you and 139 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: elevate you like they do in the coaching world. And 140 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 1: then I think finally he really laid the groundwork that 141 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: he learned from coach Wooden woulden of protect the team, 142 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: no wanting, no complaining, no excuses, and be early, which 143 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: reference being organized, and he leaned on that so much 144 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: so that when he took the job with the Seahawks, 145 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: I was with him. We were at the Natty that night, 146 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:57,119 Speaker 1: Alabama versus Texas, and on the sideline watching that game. 147 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: I knew he was gonna go take that job the 148 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: next day and I said, Pete, um, what are you 149 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: gonna change? And he looked me dead in the eye 150 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: and said, not a thing other than the days of 151 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: the week and when we practiced in the schedule. But 152 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna lean on the principles I learned when I 153 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: got fired from the Patriots and developed in that year 154 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: off and that we used it sc and you didn't 155 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: seem skip a beat. Since he's been in Seattle and 156 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: now they are in quote unquote a rebuild and talking 157 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: to him, he's so excited about that fresh palate to 158 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: go attack as a coach and a builder and a 159 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: philosopher around the great game that we that we love 160 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: so much. Is this so funny, because I don't know 161 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: if I've ever told you this, but when I was 162 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: just starting out coaching in high school, I remember reading 163 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: Win Forever, and I remember going to like the things, 164 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: the clinics and stuff that he was doing around town 165 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: because the way that he approached things really resonated with me. 166 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: I played for a coach in college, Mac Brown, who 167 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: had a similar approach, not quite like Pete, but it 168 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: was a may we're gonna have fun. I'm gonna treat 169 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: you with first class. Hey, we're gonna take all this 170 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: pressure office about the players, and man, just go live 171 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: it because this is gonna be the best four years 172 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: of your life. And so, um, I look at Pete 173 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: and I'm just amazed at how you look at that 174 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: run to s he had and you look at how 175 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: great it was. But then you look at the run 176 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: that he's had and see yeah, and how he just 177 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: faces those challenges because everyone right now is like, oh, 178 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: I they're gonna be terrible. But then I look at 179 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: him and he's like, Oh, this is where I love 180 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: the coaching part of it. Like what is it about 181 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: him or just being around that that kind of allegs 182 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: you to believe that, Oh, he'll figure it out. He'll 183 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: figure out how to make make it work with what 184 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: he has. Yeah. I think two things. One to go 185 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: back into his life and you read it in his 186 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 1: book When Forever, which I'd recommend to any young coach 187 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: or current coach and I remember meeting Sean McVeigh for 188 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,319 Speaker 1: the first time a couple of years ago and he goes, 189 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: don't think I didn't read the book. You know, it's 190 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: all about the ball, And he started rattling off the 191 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: principles from the book. And I think it's had a 192 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: big impact on this next generation of coaches. But within it, 193 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: he talks about being a young boy and talking to 194 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: his mom after a challenging day and she said, Pete 195 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: always expects something great to happen next, and that's him 196 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: on headset Like I was on the headset with him 197 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: for four years. I've also been at many Seahawks games 198 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: where he's been miked up and we've been with NFL 199 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: films and listening to him. No matter what happened, he's 200 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: always expecting something great to happen next. It could be 201 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: the last thirty seconds of the game, it could be 202 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: after a challenging loss, it could be after losing the 203 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Like that's just how he's wired. So I 204 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: think that's like super critical to know how how buried 205 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: in his DNA that is. I think regarding the present, um, 206 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: I don't think he's given enough credit for the exo 207 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: coach that he is. You know, he's often known as fun, 208 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: big shoes, big gum, throwing the football in pregame, doing 209 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: things in the inner city of Los Angeles, caring about 210 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: things outside of just the sport of football. But he's 211 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: a savant defensively. That's why I think he's a Hall 212 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: of Fame coach and I don't think it's a debate 213 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 1: when you look at what he's done on the field 214 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: and what his teams have done in terms of eliminating 215 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: whether it's certain offenses at every level in college and 216 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,959 Speaker 1: even in the NFL back when he was just a coordinator, 217 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: to defense is always unique. You know, you can go 218 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: back to Arkansas when he was first with Monty Kiffin 219 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: to Nancy State, first time having a real role as 220 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: a coordinator, to now doing it for as long as 221 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: he's done it with the Seahawks in the NFL. UM 222 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: I think that's where he doesn't get enough play. And 223 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 1: even on the offensive side, I mean, y're wanted sc man. 224 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: I think as he was six and seven, I think 225 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: they lost in the Vegas Bowl and the next year 226 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: if you study them with Norm Chow still is the 227 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: o C piece, the one that flipped the offense. He's like, 228 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: this is gonna be our blueprint. I have a blueprint 229 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: right behind me in my office of what the blueprint 230 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: on offense is in his eyes. So even offensively, it's 231 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 1: not like he's just a defensive guy. And when you're 232 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: around the game, like Mac or like Pete, you can 233 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 1: see it all very clearly. So I think that's not 234 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: given enough credit. And his teams. I talked to a 235 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: member of his staff the other night, John Glenner, their 236 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: linebacker coach I think is a future d C in 237 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 1: the NFL. Um He's like, dude, we're gonna we're gonna 238 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: be in every game, you know, Like and I think 239 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,959 Speaker 1: that that's gonna be there, Ma, that's gonna be them. 240 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:02,719 Speaker 1: I think that's where he's very comfortable. Like when you 241 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: run the football, played great defense. You talked about taking 242 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: care of the ball and doing those things. Also, we 243 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: won't expanded this, but because he's so great on defense, 244 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: it allows you to be great on offense because you 245 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: know how it goes. That's why when people talk about 246 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick and how help mess up the pagriest thing, 247 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, don't worry about it. If you know defense. 248 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: You no offense, you'll be able to do it. But 249 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: I want to take it because at s so you 250 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: have got a chance to really learn a lot about 251 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: quarterback play, and that has certainly helped you being around 252 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: the Elite eleven crowd. What are some of the things 253 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: that you think are essential, uh, that young quarterbacks, great 254 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 1: quarterbacks must have. Yeah, well it's changed so much and 255 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: it hasn't changed at all. I think in the same sentence, 256 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: I think the number one thing outside of being able 257 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: to throw right, like a lot of guys are pastors. 258 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: Now we see it in the Elite eleven. The amount 259 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: of pastors in high school football is through the room, 260 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: not just guys playing catch up, but playing quarterback. Like 261 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: it's really elevated all the way down to like fifth 262 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: and sixth grade in my eyes. But the other side 263 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: of that is, I think you really still have to 264 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: love it. Like I think you gotta love it. I 265 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: talked to freshman about that every single year, a man 266 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: of like, do you love it? Same thing with Elda Levin, 267 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:14,079 Speaker 1: do you love it? And most guys in high school 268 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: when they get to the point where we see him 269 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: every summer man, and you know this, that flame is 270 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: a little extinguished because they go from loving the craft 271 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: to all of a sudden having forty offers, all of 272 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: a sudden, having people in their d m s, and 273 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: now with n I L having a lot of scrutiny 274 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: thrown their way or a lot of attention throwing their way, 275 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: and they none of them, in my opinion, none of 276 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: them have the tools to deal with it like an 277 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: NFL player, because there's sixteen. They shouldn't have the tools. 278 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: Their brains aren't even fully developed yet at that stage. 279 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: So to me, it's it's tapping back into what I 280 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: call the wonder switch, like your wonderment and imagination. You 281 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: have to be able to lock back into that, and 282 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,719 Speaker 1: if you don't, if it's just a means to an end, 283 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: or if just a transaction relationship, because is of what 284 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: N I L is now, I think players are really 285 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: gonna struggle because once the joy is sucked out, especially 286 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: now with the pseudo professionalization of college football I think 287 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: happening before our eyes, it's gonna be a tough journey 288 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: because it's not like the NFL is drafting more quarterbacks 289 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: now than ever before. You still have to play at 290 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: a high level. So if you're not enjoying it. Even 291 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: if you are in the middle of the road college player, 292 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,839 Speaker 1: you're in trouble. So so that is one, like do 293 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: you love the craft? Like can you find and rEFInd 294 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: your wonderment around the around the sport in the position 295 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,959 Speaker 1: you play. Two is you have to be a seeker, 296 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: Like you have to be a seeker of all things quarterback, right, 297 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: And that to me doesn't mean your life has to 298 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: be owned by football, but you have to be seeking 299 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: knowledge and seeking answers. And it's all in front of you, 300 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: whether it's Tom versus Time, or the Brady documentary or uh, 301 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: Michael Gervais podcast or this podcast. There's so much intel 302 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: out there. If you're not willing to go seek some 303 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: of it. You think your forty five minute position meeting 304 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: is going to be enough, you got no chance. Like 305 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,719 Speaker 1: you'll survive, maybe you'll be athletic enough, but at the 306 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: end of the day, you won't have the tools to 307 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: really thrive when you get to the level that you cover. 308 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 1: So I think those are the two things. Uh. And 309 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: then finally, which is why I wrote the book five 310 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: Star QB, was like, do you have the tools and 311 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 1: the team and the wherewithal to manage what's coming down 312 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: the pipe, and most people don't because you can't google 313 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: how to be the parent of a walk on baseball 314 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: player like yourself, or the parent of a five star recruit, 315 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: or to be that individual in and of itself. So 316 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: you need you need some tools, and that's why we 317 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: wrote the book of like forty six people pour into 318 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: this book to give advice along the journey of how 319 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: do I manage a visit, how do I manage n 320 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: I L how do I manage committing, decommitting, flipping, transferring 321 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: my parents, social media, women on campus, mental health. There's 322 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: so much that's hard that I think we need to 323 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: frontload some of those skills. So so those are the 324 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: three things that I often tell the parents of ten 325 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: year olds or the parents of twenty year olds. You know, 326 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: it's funny because you mentioned the books, and now I 327 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: want to talk about the book five star QB. It's 328 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: not about the stars, it's about the journey. What inspired 329 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: you to write the book? Like what what was the 330 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: thing is that I gotta put this on pin and pad. 331 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: I need to make sure that can help the next 332 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: generation of quarterbacks do it better than maybe the previous 333 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: generation did it. Well, you were with us, man, I 334 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: mean we were in Cowboys facility in Frisco, Texas, and 335 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: that year's camp ended, and it was Bryce Young, it 336 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: was c. J. Stroud, It was really a lot of 337 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: the leading players. Yeah, you love him and we all 338 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: we all do, right, it was it was just an 339 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: awesome year for that position. Uh and Joey Roberts, who 340 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: we both love and No. We sat down at the 341 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: restaurant UH in the in the hotel that's attached to 342 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: the facility, and we just said to each other, man, like, 343 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: we keep getting asked the same questions by parents and players, Like, 344 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: we got to do something, And we said, let's let's 345 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: create a pseudo tribe of mentors for all the parents 346 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: and players going through this. What if we asked, you know, 347 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: a handful of these quarterbacks the same plus questions and 348 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: cure it in a way where it can be digestible. 349 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: So we did it. We hit up fifty four different 350 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: quarterbacks that adorned the five star ranking and we asked 351 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: them the same twenty two questions and they get fascinating 352 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: answers from the first day they were offered to the 353 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: advice to give their younger self. So I'm talking people 354 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: from UM. We can go all the way back to 355 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: Ryan Paralou, Mark Sanchez, all the way up to uh Bonis, 356 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: Caleb Williams and Josh Rosen and so so many guys 357 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: in between. I'm looking at the cover and it's Matt Barkley, 358 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: Shay Patterson, will Greer, Tyler Pouco, Tyrone Swoops, Christian Hackenburg, 359 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: guys that started and thrived, some guys like Shane Morris 360 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: who never played and transferred, some guys like Malizer who 361 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: had to transfer multiple times. And we just said, give us, 362 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: give us your feedback, help the next generation. Bro. They 363 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: all came to the plate and delivered, and as we 364 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: got their answers, I said, ude, we're not done yet. 365 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: We need more advice. So we hit up forty people 366 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: and said, being a bashador of the game, and what 367 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: would you tell a five star player or their parents? 368 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: Pete Carroll, John Schneider, Chip Kelly, David Shaw, Lincoln Riley, 369 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: Dan Landing, Jed Fish, Ryan Day, Um, your colleague, DJ 370 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 1: Brenda Tracy, the Halinsky family, so many people from young 371 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: coaches like Gerard Johnson with the Vikings, who's coaching quarterbacks 372 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: to guys like Pete. We've been there forever, and we 373 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: said we want to pour into the experience. So like 374 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: this is it. It's it's almost six D pages. It 375 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: is a thick mug, but um, we went for and 376 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: and what's been really cool, man, is there's three things. 377 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 1: The first one is that the cover as I'm showing you, 378 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 1: it's it's the faces of the players. And I did 379 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 1: it on purpose because so often when a player commits 380 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 1: to your school, whether it's Carolina like you or whether 381 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 1: it's pit like me, we go to huddle, we go 382 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 1: to seven and see their ranking, we go to their 383 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 1: social We don't even know what they look like. Half 384 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 1: the time. We don't see the heartbeat of these young men. 385 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 1: And if they don't play, we light him up and 386 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: call him a bus I mean, Nick talks about it 387 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: in the book of on his visit, they're chanting his 388 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: name at Auburn, and then a couple of years later 389 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: the student section is channing his name but booing him 390 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 1: off the field. Like you think of that paradox for 391 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 1: somebody going through that. So it was really important for 392 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: us to humanize the players for themselves. So they got 393 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: to share their story for parents who think every one 394 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: of their kids is the next Caleb Williams or c 395 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: Kay Stroud or Bryce Young, and then also um for 396 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: for the Vans to say, like whoa like I didn't 397 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 1: know that Josh Rosen joined a fraternity because he just 398 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: wanted to make friends as a midyear and Rolie he 399 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: didn't want to go party. He just wanted to meet 400 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: some guys because he was seventeen when he got our campus. 401 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: Those things I think are important. And every time I 402 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: see players get lit up on social like Josh, for instance, 403 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 1: last week he can't play. He's terrible. I'm like, dude, 404 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: you don't even know this guy, Like you have no 405 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: clue about his path, but you can learn now by 406 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: at least reading a portion of our book. And and 407 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: that was it was driven by giving vice and giving 408 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: players a platform to share their path. You know, it's funny, Yogi, 409 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: because like uh in the seat where I said right now, 410 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 1: where we're having to break down and analyze these prospects 411 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: and do all these things, like sometimes it's that fine line, 412 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: right because you begin to know them personally, you begin 413 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: to see them along the way on the journey. We 414 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: catch them almost not quite on the front end, or 415 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: right as they're beginning to kind of figure it out, 416 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: maybe before they get celebrity and start them or whatever. 417 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,959 Speaker 1: In the case of c J. Stroud, c J Stroud 418 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: was still under the radar prior to the eleven Finals 419 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: and then he explodes because he had one of the 420 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: best camps that I've ever seen and been a part 421 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: of UM And I think what a lot of people 422 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 1: don't know is just how hard it is not to 423 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: manage the playing part, but to manage being a rising 424 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: star in this social media era where you and I 425 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: get the confessions of like, coach, how do I deal 426 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: with like on Twitter, They'll lighten me up because I 427 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,479 Speaker 1: threw two interceptions in the Openings Finals game, and hey, 428 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna lose my followers. I'm gonna lose all this 429 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 1: other stuff. Talk about some of the anxieties that these 430 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 1: kids bring that people may not know about, that they're 431 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: dealing with even though their five star quarterbacks. It is 432 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 1: amazing and what a thoughtful question. I go back to 433 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: Shane Morris, and he's in the book Shane Morris, Michigan 434 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 1: Sugar Shane, and you were there that year, right, So 435 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: Shane Morris. We call a basic drive concept where you're 436 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: never supposed to throw the gold ball right, it's just 437 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: like a clear route. And I remember this day, like yesterday, 438 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: he launches a gold ball, it gets caught, it's a touchdown, 439 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: The crowd goes wild, the writers go wild, and Shane 440 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 1: Morris is the poster child that practice. I think it 441 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: was day two at a Lade eleven that year in 442 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: the finals. We go watch the film and we're like, hey, bro, like, 443 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: you're that's a negative grade. Never you're supposed to go 444 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: there and not he suppos to look there, um and 445 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: you're not in the initial eleven. And his first response was, 446 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: I get it, I was wrong, But how am I 447 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: going to deal with the fan base online like now? 448 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: Shane Morris? To to give people some context, his avatar 449 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: was he and Aaron Andrews and the Michigan basketball game 450 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: in the student section where they were chanting his name 451 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 1: as well. He was the first true in my eyes, 452 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: social media quarterback. And when he wasn't in the initial eleven, 453 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 1: he went in the tank. He anxiety and he talks 454 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 1: a lot about a lot about it in the book, 455 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: and a lot of these guys do we're not having 456 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: to deal with that. So the answers that we've given 457 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: the book. There's a beautiful chapter from Dr Michael Gerve 458 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: around identity, but I love the first the first page 459 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: is a letter from Chip Kelly and Chip Kelly's quote, 460 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 1: which I love. I didn't know Chip would be the 461 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: writer that he that he is, like. I called him 462 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: afterwards and I was like, I didn't you were an 463 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: English major, because it's beautiful and his quote was praise 464 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: and blame are all the same. So I hit him up. 465 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: I said, let's let's break that down, and he started 466 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 1: taking taking me through it. And if you think about 467 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: it, it it could be your son, it could be c J. 468 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,360 Speaker 1: It could be Shane, it could be anybody of Like 469 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: if we tell you how great you are, your mentions 470 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: love you up and specially or of course it feels great, 471 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: but what does it do to your performance? Truly? What 472 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 1: should it do to your formans? And contrary, if we're 473 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: in your d M telling you how bad you are 474 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: or at the aggressive level, which is like you should 475 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 1: kill yourself, which we see that every year, and I 476 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: know that's inappropriate, but but it's appropriate, right, Like regardless, 477 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: they're all the same, and I think for athletes, we're 478 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: and you're part of this, we try to give them 479 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: the tools to be able to manage it. Right. Jana 480 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: Rashada is going to Miami reportedly nine million dollars in 481 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 1: n I L, which I don't think it's accurate, but regardless, 482 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: that's the narrative and the tools that he's going to 483 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 1: use to manage that cannot be I'm gonna turn off 484 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: my phone. There is something deeper. But I think all 485 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: sixteen year olds no is turn off my phone, shut 486 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: it out, block out the quote unquote noise. I don't 487 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 1: think that works anymore. I think you gotta have fine 488 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 1: tools to manage the noise. And that's why I love 489 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 1: when players frontload psychology, frontload mental health. And I urge 490 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: not only pro coaches, but I tell every college coach 491 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: on a visit, please do an not present n I 492 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 1: L depth chart and scheme in that order, Please present 493 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 1: this is a place where you can talk about what's 494 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: going on in your life. Right down the hall. We've 495 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: got five mental health experts that are here for you. 496 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 1: Because in year one or year three, whether you're playing 497 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: or you're on the bench, you're probably gonna need it now. 498 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: I want you to know it's safe, so you don't 499 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: have to go off campus. You don't have to God forbid, 500 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,120 Speaker 1: do anything even more serious. And I and I take 501 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: it that far, man, because I think it's really important 502 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: to go there for fans listening to just hit pause 503 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 1: before you hit send on. You missed the kick, you 504 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 1: missed the throw, you should kill yourself, because that happens 505 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: every year. We see it every season. It's just like whoa, whoa, whoa. 506 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: Let me just relax a little bit, be passionate, have 507 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: an opinion. We love that part of it, but let's 508 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 1: not take it to a degree that we've seen become 509 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 1: reality in college athletics, especially in college with multiple athletes. 510 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 1: Just look at the summer. We saw almost a dozen 511 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 1: athletes kill themselves for a bunch of different reasons. But 512 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: I have to imagine the pressure associated with being a 513 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 1: student athlete and the hype to live up to is 514 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: a part of that discussion. And the Henskis write a 515 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 1: beautiful letter in here offering advice and some tools in 516 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: that regard. Yeah, I don't know if you noticed, but yeah, 517 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: I coached Tyler in high school and his older brother 518 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: Kelly and those guys been around and really some unfortunate 519 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: um the way things transpired for him. But I think 520 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: a lot of these guys in terms of dealing with 521 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 1: the pressure that goes along with it, And I think 522 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: in a way we do quarterbacks of disservice because I 523 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 1: see it even happening at the youth football levels where 524 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: we begin to separate them. It's the quarterback, then it's 525 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 1: the other tent. And I think what happens is young 526 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: people get a warped sense of how competitive life is 527 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 1: where we begin to separate those things, and so we 528 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: have to begin to equip young people with the tools 529 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: to deal with adversity, competition, successes and failures, being able 530 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: to stand up in each of those moments without it 531 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: necessarily wrecking your confidence or really overinflating your ego. But 532 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: I think it's a skill and I'm so happy that 533 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: you and Dr Gervei and everyone is on it because 534 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 1: I'm a huge advocate for early on in the process 535 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: um find a sports psychologists, finding people that can help 536 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: you manage those situations, because look, everyone when they get 537 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,199 Speaker 1: to a certain level is talented, but as how do 538 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 1: you manage all of the other stuff and what tools 539 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 1: do you have in the toolbox to allow the best 540 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: version of yourself to come out not only on the field, 541 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: but also off the field. Yeah. Man, it's it's just 542 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: gonna be fascinating to watch now too, because looking college football, 543 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: all these guys are getting so much pressure to play early, 544 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: you know, whether it's Kay klub Nick versus d J 545 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: Clemson or Queen Yours of Texas, And I just I 546 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,479 Speaker 1: just don't think I'd be curious if you think. I 547 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: don't think that there's like a Trevor Lawrence every year 548 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: or two or Jalen Hurts, like three guys that came 549 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:02,360 Speaker 1: in as freshman and thrived their freshman year. I think 550 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 1: it's still the most developmental position in the world. And 551 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 1: now as we're seeing starters get announced, I'm seeing fan 552 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: bases say, well, yeah, this guy's gonna transfer. I've heard 553 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: analysts in college football say, well, if I was him, 554 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: I'd i'd leave now. And I'm just like, and I'm 555 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: not trying to be like the get off my lawn 556 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: old guy. Have let guys compete through adversity if you're 557 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,880 Speaker 1: a backup. But but I think that a there's something 558 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 1: to that and then I still think that we are 559 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: neglecting the development that's necessary at the position. I don't know, 560 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: what do you think, because you see it in the 561 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: NFL too, with rookies getting thrust into the action. Well, 562 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: I look, I think that is a big part of it, um. 563 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 1: And it's funny because I get this from Jeff Markin. 564 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 1: Jeff Muckin, the head coach at Army, talks about if 565 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: you want a tough team, you gotta do tough stuff. 566 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: And so if you want a quarterback who um can 567 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: handle some of the things that you have to deal 568 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: with at the highest levels, you have to compete. My dad, 569 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: as a kid, had to saying that you can't be 570 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: made of steal until you try it by fire. And 571 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: so you have to make your kids hang in there 572 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: at times when it doesn't go their way, and they 573 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: have to learn how to climb out of those holes 574 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: to get back on top, because if they can make 575 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: it out of there, it not only equips them with 576 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: the tools to be successful on the field, but now 577 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 1: when they decide that hey, I'm done with football, I 578 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 1: want to go and be a broadcaster. But I'm gonna 579 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 1: start at the bottom and I'm going to do whatever 580 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 1: I can to get up. Well. Now, the experiences that 581 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: you learn from football can help you handle the adversity 582 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: as you're trying to make your way. So yeah, we 583 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: have to teach young people how to hang in there 584 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: in battle and how to take those failures but use 585 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: the lessons learn from those failures to eventually lead to 586 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: successes down the line. Yeah, that's fine. I think I'm 587 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: so excited for this here in college football too, because 588 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: I think guys like calib Williams, Bryce Young, and c J. Stroud, 589 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 1: they're going to become the blueprint in terms of how 590 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: to manage all the things that come your way. Like 591 00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: I think there's there there's one world where like, oh 592 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: my god, they have all this money and then I 593 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: l and blah blah blah. But really watch how they operate, 594 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 1: you know, how they've assembled a team around them to 595 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: help them manage and cope with what it's like to 596 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 1: be in college. You know. I love the book because 597 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 1: Bryce's father, Craig, and Kimberly's DJ's mom are in the book, 598 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 1: along with Lisa McCaffrey given advice to parents at least 599 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: of course, the mom to Christian and many other sons 600 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: that have played major college football and even in the 601 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 1: NFL married to Ed who played I think a decade 602 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: plus with the Broncos um. I just say that because 603 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 1: right now in college, there's no veteran on a team, 604 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: right Like, let's just say I make a million dollars 605 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: and I'm on a roster and I'm you know, whatever 606 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: elite player X. There's there's Bucky Brooks. Isn't in the 607 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: locker room to show me the way, like when Jared 608 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: Goff got to the Rams, like Andrew Whitworth was there. 609 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: You know, like there's a vets to help you that 610 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: doesn't happen in college. And that's why I think like 611 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: looking and giving some attention to the guys that seemingly 612 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: are doing a nice job of still having like like 613 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: I started the wonderment around the craft and also have 614 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: the business side and have a team to be able 615 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: to manage it and no one to shut it off 616 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: and know what real money is because that's when you 617 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: get to the NFL versus you know, a small N 618 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: I L deal or even a strong N I L deal, 619 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: it's gonna be dwarfed by a signing bonus per se. 620 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: And I love how these guys have approached it because 621 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: I really believe and I'm calling scs opener next week 622 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: on the Pact Fold Networks. I just feel like these 623 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: guys have have shown a way to keep the main 624 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: thing the main thing, not lose a love for the craft, 625 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: and be able to balance the hectic world that is 626 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 1: now high school, college and then eventually where you live 627 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: in the NFL. Alright, So my final course, I'm gonna 628 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: ask you to do something that no parent ever wants 629 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: to do. But because Elita Levin is kind of like 630 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: full of your babies, I'm gonna ask you, heading into 631 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: this season, who is the quarterback that you're most excited 632 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: to look at? Yeah, oh my gosh, is a parental question. Kid, Yeah, 633 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: you're a kid. Well, I mean it's easy to say 634 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: Caleb Williams because he hasn't started a full season, right, 635 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: and I've been over and see a bunch. I just 636 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: did a long sit down with him, and as I 637 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: was doing to sit down, I was reminded that he's 638 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: still nineteen, you know, like he's still a young man 639 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 1: in developing and and there's something to that in college 640 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: football that I think is important to remember. I'm just 641 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: so intrigued. It's the most unique roster in the history 642 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: of college football. And I'd say the same thing about 643 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: bo Nix going to Oregon. You know, the guy who 644 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: is a legacy at Auburn went to Oregon sight unseen. 645 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: I remember texting with him when he's like, yeah, you 646 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: got to campus. I'm enrolled and it's really nice here 647 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: the first time he saw it. And then I think 648 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: a guy as sleeper is Cameron Ward. Cameron Ward is 649 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: is the guy that your son should learn about a lot, 650 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: because he was a guy that nobody recruited out of 651 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: the state of Texas went to incarnate. Ward broke every 652 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: record he could one in the Heisman at that level, 653 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: and other than Caleb was the most sought after recruit 654 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: at quarterback in the transfer portal. Followed his head coach 655 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: at the time, Eric Morris, who is now the o 656 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: C at Washington State, to Pullman and I think he's 657 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: gonna thrive. Dude. I think this dude's gonna ball. I 658 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: think he's been one of the funnest guys to watch. 659 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: So I keep it out West. Uh, those three guys 660 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: and even Tanner McKee and I just did a feature 661 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: on Tanner that will come out in a week or two. 662 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,239 Speaker 1: This guy cancer a sixteen. Nobody knows about his sister, Um, 663 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: She's gone through a lot health wise, Like this guy's 664 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: met adversity and always found optimism as a teenager and 665 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: he carried that onto a mission in Brazil. And I 666 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: think he's gonna be uh the third quarterback arguably taken 667 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: in next year's draft behind the two guys that we 668 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: talked about all the time, and see Jane Bryce mc tanner. 669 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: If he decides to leave, UH is gonna have an 670 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: awesome season with an incredible cast of characters. Throw the 671 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: ball to U. I excited for him and David Shaw. 672 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean it's biased to keep it out West, 673 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: but but I am pumped for those those four quarterbacks. 674 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: Well I'm pumped, man. I'm pumped to hear you back 675 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: on the call. Uh. I can't wait to hear you 676 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: in the s C call in a week or so. 677 00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: It should be a lot of fun. I'm really excited 678 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,479 Speaker 1: about your look and all the stuff. And more importantly, man, 679 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 1: I'm really appreciative of who you are as a person 680 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: and what you not only do with the young people, 681 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: with people in general, um, I think people need to 682 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: make sure they tune in, follow Yogi on Instagram, do 683 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: all the stuff because uh, I think as a parent, 684 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: we all aspire to have kids that are more than 685 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: just one dimensional beings. And I can say being around you, man, 686 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: you're so multidimensional that I'm always envious of the things 687 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: that you partake in and I look forward to hearing 688 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: about your adventures going forward. Thanks bro. I'm definitely gonna 689 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: need Johnson father advice though. I got a seven and 690 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: a two year old, so I wrote down the quote 691 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: the medal and the fire. Well that's cool, man. Thanks 692 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 1: so much for coming on the podcast. We're gonna have 693 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: to have you back in the future talk some more 694 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 1: about quarterbacks and all things football. Uh yeah, that's it. 695 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: That's it for the Most six podcast. Thanks so much 696 00:32:51,080 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: for tuning in. We'll see you guys next time. Want 697 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: to go to w