Speaker 1: Hi, readers, it's Bowen. You'll notice we're doing a feed
Speaker 1: drop of the first episode of this season of Stradio Lab,
Speaker 1: hosted by George Severies and Sam Taggart. They are now
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Speaker 1: me and Matt Rodgers as guests. We posit some pretty
Speaker 1: groundbreaking things as far as straight culture goes, and we
Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed this episode. Okay, bye, Welcome to Stradio Lab,
Speaker 1: an intellectual podcast about straight culture and also a stupid
Speaker 1: podcast about nothing. Don't say that, it's just true. I
Speaker 1: don't want to lie to our listeners. I'm George Severies
Speaker 1: and I'm Sam Taggart and this is Stradio Lab. Podcast
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Speaker 1: welcome to Stir Radio Lab. Back from the grave. You
Speaker 1: thought we were dead, but actually we were training and
Speaker 1: we're stronger than ever. And I just want to say
Speaker 1: the old s Radio Lab can't come to the phone
Speaker 1: right now why because she doesn't get out of bed
Speaker 1: for under three million dollars. Wow? Say that. And I
Speaker 1: just want to say for the listeners at home, this
Speaker 1: podcast has always been about a few things. It's been
Speaker 1: about straight culture sort of. It's been about making a
Speaker 1: podcast entirely. It's been about transparency. And in the spirit
Speaker 1: of transparency, I want to say that we are um
Speaker 1: coming off of doing a full intro that completely messed
Speaker 1: up due to technical difficulties, So we are sort of
Speaker 1: emotionally raw. We are on edge in a way that
Speaker 1: I would say, I'm physically bleeding from multiple in multiple
Speaker 1: parts of my body. I'm breaking out in hives. I'm bleeding,
Speaker 1: but it's uh, what's it called when it's psychological? Um,
Speaker 1: not bleeding, munchild, I'm bleeding, but it's Munchausen. I'm bleeding.
Speaker 1: Psycho Stomatic is the word I was looking for. I
Speaker 1: am actually I actually bleeding in my limbs are falling,
Speaker 1: but it's all in my head. Yeah, George is actually
Speaker 1: hosting a collaboration between bleeding and Munchausen. Finally, the two
Speaker 1: girls teamed up inside of George's body collab of the season,
Speaker 1: and that's why I'm excited a partner. I'm excited to
Speaker 1: partner with Munchausen for the launch of the collab between
Speaker 1: Psychosomatic Limb Falling and Podcasting. So I have to say, George,
Speaker 1: when you were speaking a moment ago, it actually did
Speaker 1: start to cut out. And I see the fear that
Speaker 1: I could feel from our guests today and myself included, Well,
Speaker 1: it was there. Here's what I'll say from now on.
Speaker 1: Technical difficulties are not a big deal. If something happens
Speaker 1: and let's say I have to switch my WiFi again,
Speaker 1: everyone's gonna be chill about it. I think that's a
Speaker 1: great rule. Then why does everyone look frightened? I'm laxed
Speaker 1: because I feel like we were nothing but chill when
Speaker 1: you were figuring it out. I was on the verge
Speaker 1: of having a mental breakdown the entire time. I've been
Speaker 1: relaxed this whole time until now. Now I'm pissed off. Okay,
Speaker 1: now I'm pissed, and no, I'm sam. You were saying THEO.
Speaker 1: You know, on one level, it's a podcast about straight culture.
Speaker 1: On another level, it's about radical honesty. And then on
Speaker 1: the yet third level, it's kind of a horseshoe theory
Speaker 1: where the radical honesty becomes almost toxic dishonesty. I just
Speaker 1: want to see the question for this season, season three,
Speaker 1: which is starting today, the first season sponsored by Munchausen,
Speaker 1: is where do we go from here up exactly to
Speaker 1: the tippy top? Baby, I'm talking prime time NBC podcasting.
Speaker 1: I'm almost like, should we just bring in the guests?
Speaker 1: And and I feel like there's this pressure to reintroduce,
Speaker 1: to re launch, and in fact, our sponsored Munchausen has
Speaker 1: done all that for us, and I think it's time
Speaker 1: to just dive right in. Wait, I want to say
Speaker 1: before we dive right in, you should that we don't
Speaker 1: need this pressure. We don't feel pressure because you know what,
Speaker 1: a season three of a podcast, what does that mean?
Speaker 1: Let's start there doesn't mean anything. Well, that's a slippery
Speaker 1: slope if I've ever heard one. I want to say
Speaker 1: one thing before we start. Okay, I have missed you,
Speaker 1: seeing you on my screen, being with you every week.
Speaker 1: It is the greatest honor of my life to have
Speaker 1: a professional relationship and a collaborative relationship with you. And
Speaker 1: it is an honor to be back this time Wild
Speaker 1: Bleeding George. You are the Munchausen is talking. Honestly, my
Speaker 1: my makeup is running, but when Munchausen is acting up,
Speaker 1: all of us are sponsored by Munchausen. Each of us
Speaker 1: have munch chosen in different ways. We actually each have
Speaker 1: munch chosen by proxy to someone we have chosen. I'm
Speaker 1: poisoning Sam, Sam is poisoning bow When Bowen, it's poisoning Matt.
Speaker 1: Every goddamn day. Pantom threat over here. Not for lack
Speaker 1: of trying. T t um okay, George. Um, it's a
Speaker 1: pleasure to be hosting a podcast with you again. Um,
Speaker 1: I've been lost this summer without you, and our personal
Speaker 1: and professional relationship is one of the strongest in my life.
Speaker 1: And I just want to say so often this summer
Speaker 1: I feel like if I do not talk to you,
Speaker 1: I will in fact collapse And I maybe will text
Speaker 1: you kind of in the middle of the day something
Speaker 1: that's that's a small thing. Maybe I'll send you something
Speaker 1: I found funny, or maybe I'll say like oh l
Speaker 1: O L to something, and then sometimes you rightly will
Speaker 1: respond appropriately, be like oh ha ha, and then I
Speaker 1: will be crushed because in fact I was trying to
Speaker 1: start a two hour long conversation and I realized, in fact,
Speaker 1: what I'm missing is a recorded podcast. Yeah. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not a great texture to be honest. Yeah yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't feel like engaging. I just sort of leave it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not a good quality. I don't take pride in it,
Speaker 1: but it's just a fact. Matt and Bowen, how has
Speaker 1: your professional relationships strained your friendship immensely? Yeah, a lot um.
Speaker 1: I mean, and I'll tell you something, And it got
Speaker 1: really hard once we signed our big deal with Heart.
Speaker 1: And I say, when we signed our big deal with
Speaker 1: I Heart, I don't think we really made too much
Speaker 1: of it on the mic. So I feel this is
Speaker 1: this is your first mistakes even talking about it. And
Speaker 1: you know what I feel is almost like Lindsay Lohan
Speaker 1: saying I could hear myself, I could hear everyone being
Speaker 1: annoyed with me, but I couldn't stop when she's talking
Speaker 1: about Regina all the time, and to me, Regina is
Speaker 1: my heart. Yeah. Well, Katie Herron said that Lindsay Lohan
Speaker 1: didn't say that it was I it was improvised. No.
Speaker 1: Tina Fey, Dame Tina Fey wrote those words through Katie
Speaker 1: Harron and don't you forget it? No, it was a
Speaker 1: kind of Christopher guest type thing. Tina Fe has talked
Speaker 1: about this, that entire movie was improvised. She's never said that, George,
Speaker 1: she has never said. When you watched The Parent Trap,
Speaker 1: did you think Lindsay Lohan actually had a twin? A
Speaker 1: lot of people thought that this is a This is
Speaker 1: a really important question. It says a lot about you.
Speaker 1: I mean she did. Didn't she talk about a professional
Speaker 1: relationship strange? Let'll tell you something. Yeah, she got, she
Speaker 1: got the big film and suddenly her twin was dead.
Speaker 1: Talk about a relationship strained. Lindsay Lohan with herself. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, God, I have nothing to had. Well, let's
Speaker 1: bring in our guests, shall we? Okay, this has been
Speaker 1: such awkward humor? No, no awkward humor, no random random
Speaker 1: not don't stop it. You're you're tipping it. Don't I'm
Speaker 1: tipping it. I gotta I'm getting excited. Can we be
Speaker 1: brought in? I think it's time to bring in our guests?
Speaker 1: And why do you feel that it's time? Please give
Speaker 1: a warm welcome to Style Superstar Carson Cressley and they
Speaker 1: always hilarious. Michelle Visage so are we who do you
Speaker 1: think do you think that Carson is? Like I was
Speaker 1: just thinking, are we as gay as Carson? Yeah? Yeah, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: but for our time the standards are different. We are
Speaker 1: we are to Carson what Carson was in his time.
Speaker 1: We are now parentheses dey, yeah, parentheses derogatory and and
Speaker 1: and a big joke and a big joke. Well, I
Speaker 1: do think you know, in fifteen years or whatever, there
Speaker 1: will be new gay podcasters on the scene and they'll
Speaker 1: be like and welcome to the stage, like the hilarious
Speaker 1: Matt Rogers, and it will be like inherently like like
Speaker 1: they won't have said anything mean, but it will be
Speaker 1: like that's meant to be mean, and it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: you're making fun of right. It's like when they call
Speaker 1: him a style superstar, that's like meant as a hurtful insult.
Speaker 1: I think anyone watching, anyone watching derogatory, anyone watching and
Speaker 1: he's wearing like it's a Liberati cave style superstar, and
Speaker 1: he's like, how superstar? Literally he's crying. He's back with
Speaker 1: glitter stop and the whole areas air quotes Ross Matthews.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I do think Georgia, right, I do think
Speaker 1: it's time to bringing our guests. Should we bring them in?
Speaker 1: I mean that's the question everybody's lips, all of America
Speaker 1: wants to know, should we bring them in? You know,
Speaker 1: I think there's almost there. I I'm sending something very
Speaker 1: productive about the tension of they are half in, half out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and there's a queerness. There's a queerness to that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's sort of well, it's it's definitely like anti sort
Speaker 1: of border. It's sort of saying like it literally does
Speaker 1: what's up with that? That is what is happening right now? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's what's crazy is like even internally, like even
Speaker 1: though they're not speaking on it because they haven't been
Speaker 1: invited to um, I feel that our guests, like when
Speaker 1: we say should we bring our guests, they assume the
Speaker 1: position of guests who have not been brought in. But
Speaker 1: then when we fake bring them in, they assume the
Speaker 1: position of guests that haven't brought in. And it's sort
Speaker 1: of like they need to examine why they're like believing
Speaker 1: these borders. You know, it is it's work they have
Speaker 1: to do themselves, and it's work we can't do for them.
Speaker 1: So it's very much like you know, the dog is
Speaker 1: used to the cage. You open the cage, the dog
Speaker 1: still wants to be in the cage. Oh my god. Sorry,
Speaker 1: And so it's not you know. Even now, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, they could actually speak up right now,
Speaker 1: but they are not. Even though they have already spoken
Speaker 1: in the past, they now suddenly are back in the
Speaker 1: not having been brought in stage because we have really
Speaker 1: good boundaries. Um so please welcome, without further ado, from
Speaker 1: the hit film Fire Island, Bow and Yang and Matt
Speaker 1: rogerses you live in love you to local girls. How
Speaker 1: the hell's it going? You guys really are living love
Speaker 1: you to local today? A little bit? We're not. We
Speaker 1: are and it's getting loca or and loca or as
Speaker 1: we go. Oh my god, mass loca. Matt, you us
Speaker 1: woke up? Tell us about that? Well, as you all know,
Speaker 1: we attended the Lady Gaga a concert last night at
Speaker 1: the MetLife Stadium in East Rutherford, New Jersey, and I,
Speaker 1: as a result of staying up late after the concert
Speaker 1: and even getting into it with somebody, I woke up
Speaker 1: a little bit late today. Yeah, it's like sexually or violently?
Speaker 1: Can you tell us? Well, I got into it sexually
Speaker 1: with someone and it was decidedly not violent. Huge is
Speaker 1: someone we know. No, it was a Bartol. That's so fun.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I feel like I feel I feel
Speaker 1: like this is Matt look at me. Congrats. Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I thought Sam was gonna agree with that. It was
Speaker 1: I agree with. I think there's a world where he
Speaker 1: can both agree that it's very and say congrats for tender.
Speaker 1: To be a supporting character is yes, they have found
Speaker 1: my Steve may have found my. Yes, and in some
Speaker 1: ways it's but he told me, he told me he
Speaker 1: has partnered. Okay, okay, well, well that could work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean this is real. Yeah, I mean in the reboots,
Speaker 1: Steve is PAULI. Actually he's dying. Hold on, hold on
Speaker 1: writing down that idea for a rom com ken it
Speaker 1: work with someone who's partner. Oh my god, that's the
Speaker 1: title partnered work uncoupled, Write that down, uncoupled. Oh smart, smart, smart,
Speaker 1: starring Styles superstar Carson Cressley and the hilarious Imagine imagine
Speaker 1: if rom com with them? That would be kind, that
Speaker 1: would be fun, That would be really fun playing themselves,
Speaker 1: not to be like the most simple minded sort of
Speaker 1: a to be um, you know, unimaginative on the globe, right,
Speaker 1: But should we just sort of talk about should sort
Speaker 1: of get into the fact that we were at Chromatical
Speaker 1: last night? Yes, and maybe not just I think we
Speaker 1: have to and we have to. CHROMATICA is the is
Speaker 1: a huge album for this podcast because it it came.
Speaker 1: I mean, I would say the entire release cycle, if
Speaker 1: you're gonna call it that of that album was was
Speaker 1: you know, was tracked painstakingly by the pod. I remember
Speaker 1: we had Amy Zimmern to talk about Lady Gaga as
Speaker 1: a concept when um Stupid Love came out, and she
Speaker 1: said something I think is very wise, which is the
Speaker 1: promise of Lady Gaga is like, if Lady Gaga fails,
Speaker 1: then the twenty tens were for nothing. Wow. It's like
Speaker 1: the reason why we have faith in Lady Gaga is
Speaker 1: because we have to believe there was some point to
Speaker 1: the twenty tents. It sunk cost fallacy. It's like when
Speaker 1: you go, you know, I've spent I've spent too much
Speaker 1: time on this thing already, and if I quit, then
Speaker 1: that that would have been a waste of my time
Speaker 1: at that point. If you quit, it's like, well, what
Speaker 1: was the point of What was the point of Obama?
Speaker 1: What was the point of marriage equality? What was the
Speaker 1: point of HBO's Girls. It's a slippery slope. That is
Speaker 1: so true. I think that last night Lady Gaga proved
Speaker 1: that the times. I completely agree. That's what I felt.
Speaker 1: That's what I think ultimately happened last night was she
Speaker 1: in singing her songs, made us all dance and remember
Speaker 1: and um. When I was leaving the concert last night,
Speaker 1: I thought back to all the times when I first
Speaker 1: heard those amazing songs, and I thought, this was a
Speaker 1: time capsule. It was a journey, both in a literal
Speaker 1: and figurative suns. It was an emotional journey as well
Speaker 1: as a journey to another plan. And not just the capsule,
Speaker 1: but a cap stone thank you, as in it was
Speaker 1: the conclusion of the tens. Now we can finally move on.
Speaker 1: Now can begin, can truly begin? I was going to
Speaker 1: decade begins. Now decades Yeah, Oh my god. It's it's
Speaker 1: like it's like how, only it's like how It took
Speaker 1: Lady Gaga three songs last night to say act one.
Speaker 1: And let's talk about that, and let's talk about linear storytelling.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about yes, because none, but there's flashbacks in
Speaker 1: the first season. How dare if you're fact checking my
Speaker 1: co host, this is not our house. This is not
Speaker 1: our house. If he says it's not linear, its linear?
Speaker 1: Has the concert with yellow jackets or fleabag? I think
Speaker 1: I think it was succession. I think it was purely linear,
Speaker 1: purely linear, because she gave us prologue, acts one, before
Speaker 1: and finale, which is classically which is a classic structure.
Speaker 1: That is you're right, it is a classic structure and
Speaker 1: it is succession um finale, my final act finale? Did
Speaker 1: she even call the first three songs? She knew what
Speaker 1: she was doing. It made it better that than without
Speaker 1: expecting it. You saw the words act one, Yeah, when
Speaker 1: actually the way I felt when I saw the words
Speaker 1: Act one, I I immediately was like, oh so this
Speaker 1: I thought this was a concert and actually it's a
Speaker 1: story and that really I screamed. I said, I didn't
Speaker 1: know I was seeing a film today. I thought I
Speaker 1: was seeing a concert. What do we think? The story was? Okay,
Speaker 1: that's a really great that's great, that's great. So it
Speaker 1: starts when she's in a thing that sort of a
Speaker 1: cafcoon and it's bad romance. So she's okay, I think
Speaker 1: she's kidnapped in Berlin. Yeah, she's in the basement. She's
Speaker 1: in the basement. I just want to say, to be clear,
Speaker 1: I know the answer. I know what the story is.
Speaker 1: So I'm just like listening to see if you guys
Speaker 1: got it. I want to hear Sam do it. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: I'm saying I'm listening, but I do know. So at
Speaker 1: the and I will confirm if you're right, you're gonna
Speaker 1: fact check. I just want to say, the story is
Speaker 1: whatever the whatever the viewer. Sam keep going. Okay, So
Speaker 1: she's kidnapped and she's in the basement of Bergheim and
Speaker 1: they're playing her songs upstairs, which is crazy because she
Speaker 1: knows all the words of them. So she's sort of
Speaker 1: seeing you along and she's like and so. So then
Speaker 1: that's her prologue, is like, we're starting here, and then
Speaker 1: it's sort of her journey out of Bergheim. Um, so
Speaker 1: it's act two, Act one, all right, So that's the prolog.
Speaker 1: It's like, let's start there. You think act one as
Speaker 1: a prologue. No, no, no, Sam needs to keep going
Speaker 1: because he's dead on right. Okay, So that's the prologue
Speaker 1: and then the act one. Um, so that was sort
Speaker 1: of Alice. Okay, so that was about identity. That was
Speaker 1: about identity. Yeah, so she was clearly going undercover to
Speaker 1: get out of Bergheim. She was like, my name isn't
Speaker 1: oh yeah, but it's not. But it's also not Stephanie,
Speaker 1: nor is it Gaga. Oh my god, she has munch
Speaker 1: houses for names. Okay, so she's going undercover. Is not
Speaker 1: Alice to leave bar him? So far, so good, so far,
Speaker 1: ten out of ten so far, okay. So then it
Speaker 1: gets to Act two and that's sort of when we
Speaker 1: get to um caramatic a two into nine on one,
Speaker 1: so that actually she had escaped, but she had PTSD
Speaker 1: for being locked in the basement too long. So then
Speaker 1: she had to pop a nine on one yeah, because
Speaker 1: of Yeah, and I'm so sorry to interrupt, but exactly
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, it goes from identity to trauma,
Speaker 1: which is such a classic narrative in that order to
Speaker 1: But she's calling nine one one because she lives in
Speaker 1: a country where dialing one doesn't summon the police, it
Speaker 1: summons social workers. And she goes and she she wants
Speaker 1: she wants help with her mental with her mental health.
Speaker 1: It's not capaganda. People are saying nine one one is copaganda,
Speaker 1: and I just want to say, no, it's not. It's
Speaker 1: so they don't workaganda. It's social work aganda, which is
Speaker 1: what we need more of now more than ever. We
Speaker 1: really need more social workers to stand up in the
Speaker 1: world propaganda for in the world of chromatica. Nine one
Speaker 1: one is for the nationalized mental health care line. It's
Speaker 1: not for the cops. Yes. So then after that she
Speaker 1: realizes that she needs to put on a show um,
Speaker 1: because she realizes that she needs art to to sort
Speaker 1: of be her therapy because the social workers weren't supported
Speaker 1: enough economically to give her the support that she needed.
Speaker 1: So that's when she gets to the piano and sort
Speaker 1: of sings some songs because she's like, maybe this will help.
Speaker 1: Does it correct? That is the story? Why is that?
Speaker 1: Why is the piano madd trees? Why is the piano
Speaker 1: like a gnor old wood? Oh? Um? Because she made it.
Speaker 1: She made herself. So you think you think it's she
Speaker 1: made it herself, not because it's a climate change may. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: she doesn't really care about there was, no there was.
Speaker 1: She doesn't care about Lady that does not care about
Speaker 1: the planet. That's why she's leaving it. That's when she abandoned.
Speaker 1: In that way, it's very Taylor Swift getting on her
Speaker 1: private jet because she's like, oh, there's climate change, I
Speaker 1: gotta go. Yeah, yeah, I'm not gonna be stuck here. Yeah. Big.
Speaker 1: She's like big time demons to fight. Lady Gaga was
Speaker 1: actually quoted as saying, we have to get off this planet. Yes.
Speaker 1: So then she sang the songs on the piano, and
Speaker 1: then it gets to um um fine the finality. Okay,
Speaker 1: so the finale. I sort of read that as her
Speaker 1: learning that it's not about um social workers helping you,
Speaker 1: it's not about art helping you. It's about commercial success
Speaker 1: helping you. That's the only way you can fill the
Speaker 1: emotional hole caused by being tied up in the basement
Speaker 1: at Berkheim, which is why she got Ariana Grande on
Speaker 1: the track. She said, how do I get a hit?
Speaker 1: She said, put her on the damn track. I'm cashing
Speaker 1: in baby, and her that was her I heart deal moment.
Speaker 1: That was the Lady got got sold out. But that
Speaker 1: is actually a very powerful narrative that you have just well,
Speaker 1: and then obviously the Cherry on Top being ending withhold
Speaker 1: My Hand and sort of being like this song, you know,
Speaker 1: couldn't be further from Berkheim. We are gone that that
Speaker 1: is in the past. It's not just said it's the
Speaker 1: natural endpoint of commercialization. It's like, she's singing this song
Speaker 1: that sounds personal and it is for a movie that
Speaker 1: is literal military propaganda. So it's like it's it's the
Speaker 1: Cherry on Top. She's like, okay, and now here's my
Speaker 1: new work inspired by the journey I just took. That
Speaker 1: made me realize the only way out of identity and
Speaker 1: trauma is through commercial enterprise. And that's right. It's called
Speaker 1: Hold My Hand and it is for Top Gun Maverick
Speaker 1: and guess what, and guess what You're going to gag
Speaker 1: for it? And boy did we I did gag for it.
Speaker 1: Actually I was, I really did. I actually love and
Speaker 1: I have stand Hold My Hand for months now and
Speaker 1: you're a trailblazer and me a full day. I was
Speaker 1: shocked at how how much she sold it. I mean,
Speaker 1: to take that song she sold it. I was like,
Speaker 1: there's no way she can make me like the song.
Speaker 1: And there I was when many are calling a seaside
Speaker 1: from born this way that she filed through the drawers
Speaker 1: and I I was like, what do I have for top
Speaker 1: gun Maverick, I have this one, maybe this well, maybe
Speaker 1: I'll just try to give this one a whirl again.
Speaker 1: And then she ended her chromatica ball with the song
Speaker 1: and I have to sing a tour that she had
Speaker 1: all the time in the world to perfect, and and
Speaker 1: this is what we got. It was a wonderful show.
Speaker 1: But you have to imagine, you have to imagine that
Speaker 1: the entire time she knew that she actually it wasn't
Speaker 1: even about public health. Her canceling the tour. It was like,
Speaker 1: I don't have the finale song. And then once Hold
Speaker 1: Once Hold My Hand became such a global hit. She
Speaker 1: was like, we can go out on the road. I
Speaker 1: know how I'm going to end the show. I have
Speaker 1: my Beyonce's halo, I have my torch song that will
Speaker 1: end all my concerts going forward. And that is what
Speaker 1: the concert was about. The journey to find my hand
Speaker 1: Hold my Hand was the capstone, the capstone to the capstone.
Speaker 1: Hold my Hand is again. It's like it is the
Speaker 1: end of her work, and it is the end of
Speaker 1: the work of it I would say it is a
Speaker 1: loss of innocence. It's like this is there's no it
Speaker 1: is post postmodernism. Well, and that's why it's such a
Speaker 1: gen z anthem. Exactly when she saw Jennifer Connolly get
Speaker 1: off that boat and her hair was still perfect, she said,
Speaker 1: I'm so inspired. I'm inspired by the love I saw
Speaker 1: between Tom Cruise and Jennifer said. No, I'm no longer
Speaker 1: than I've changed. I can start my new decade now,
Speaker 1: but only after I record this song that I've had
Speaker 1: for a while. She called the Blockheed Martin and said, boy,
Speaker 1: have I got a track for you? Boys. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: about to catch some big checks because Missiles are going
Speaker 1: to be on the menu again. I'm not even hiding,
Speaker 1: I'm not even kidding. I cannot wait for this to
Speaker 1: be over so I can listen a home Matt. Please
Speaker 1: don't say you can't wait for our podcast for Goring
Speaker 1: to be over. That's really hurtful. That's like really hurtful.
Speaker 1: Wait where network sisters? Now? I cannot wait. I'm edging
Speaker 1: not just that you can't wait for to be over
Speaker 1: so that you can listen to Hold My Night, one
Speaker 1: of the greatest songs the song that started this decade.
Speaker 1: If I'm that we can all agree on. Okay, wait,
Speaker 1: I want to say, everyone go around, I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: my mom right now, Everyone go around and say their
Speaker 1: favorite moment from the concert. Go I loved but first,
Speaker 1: I loved for a dancing moment. I loved replay and
Speaker 1: when you loved another song. I loved a couple other
Speaker 1: songs I love. I thought it was really specially we
Speaker 1: all got to listen to Shallow Together live absolutely and
Speaker 1: I loved. I woke up yesterday morning, the day of
Speaker 1: the concert, and I decided. The first thought I had
Speaker 1: was I'm going to like hold my Hand. I did
Speaker 1: not care for that song before I woke up yesterday
Speaker 1: and chose peace and love for hold my Hand the Power,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm gonna be I'm surprised that
Speaker 1: you didn't say Enigma, enigmas whatever? Oh who was I with?
Speaker 1: That was like standing Enigma? Well, I do stand enigma,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't me last night, but I said, I said,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be off book by this. But by the
Speaker 1: concert I learned every single word and it was amazing.
Speaker 1: It was an amazing song. That's it. Okay, that's that's meat. Well,
Speaker 1: I have to say I enjoyed every part of the concert,
Speaker 1: and I've already expressed that my favorite part was holding
Speaker 1: my hand. But if I had to sort of just
Speaker 1: you know, pick another favorite, I would say that I
Speaker 1: absolutely and I'm I actually got some flak from our readers,
Speaker 1: which is what we call the fans of our podcast,
Speaker 1: for not standing replay the way everyone else was. And
Speaker 1: replay was fabulous last night. It was so fabulous. That
Speaker 1: being said, I think that while Shallow was incredible, I
Speaker 1: have to say, always remember us this way was giving.
Speaker 1: I completely loved Always remember Us this way, loved it,
Speaker 1: loved it, loved it, loved everything she did at the piano,
Speaker 1: and like I also did get my life to that
Speaker 1: acoustic thousand Doves Like a thousand, which the host of
Speaker 1: this podcast do not know. We don't know. But then
Speaker 1: someone did, right she did. She changed the lyrics. She
Speaker 1: changed the lyrics. It was it was the Sam and
Speaker 1: George gas lighting edition of the song. She she did
Speaker 1: different lyrics so that we would look stupid because she's
Speaker 1: mad that we haven't had her on. I want to say,
Speaker 1: in response to Matt, always remember us, this stupid love
Speaker 1: and with always remember us this way. I actually when
Speaker 1: she started the song, it didn't fully hit me what
Speaker 1: what she was singing. And my first thought was, Oh,
Speaker 1: she's covering a classic song, a classic song that's like
Speaker 1: the confidence. Who would have thought that? It was not
Speaker 1: even the song from the soundtrack that didn't win the Oscar. Wow.
Speaker 1: She didn't even do any covers. She didn't do any does,
Speaker 1: no covers, no guest stars, and and honestly no weird
Speaker 1: like mash ups or anything like. It was very much
Speaker 1: like one song after the other. Wait, but have you
Speaker 1: have you guys ever heard um the Story of One Bone?
Speaker 1: And I went to go see the Telor Swift World
Speaker 1: tour and she had famously she famously had many guest
Speaker 1: stars and the most iconic guest star that she brought
Speaker 1: out was to walk to walk the runway during style
Speaker 1: was oh yeah, And then she came out you got that,
Speaker 1: David James, And it was just like who I complimented
Speaker 1: at an Emmy's party last year. I said, in treatment
Speaker 1: was spectacular, you were so good in that And she
Speaker 1: did not want to talk to me at all. She
Speaker 1: was like, thanks, just let's say this about let me
Speaker 1: say this about the Intreatment reboot starring the Duba who
Speaker 1: I think. I think she's one of her talents. But
Speaker 1: here's what I'll say. The marketing of that show. If
Speaker 1: you look at the poster for it, she is fully
Speaker 1: wearing a snatched model look to play. The looks like
Speaker 1: everything like an ad for like I don't know. She's
Speaker 1: wearing the dull chinkabana Beyonce bell the key on it. Yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: yes she is. She is literally done in every single
Speaker 1: She's just she's at home infessionally, and it's like Trinity
Speaker 1: of the Talk walks in and she's like, let's get
Speaker 1: to a girl in her own house. So your father
Speaker 1: reduced miss famous line. Alright, So George was moment and
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to be uh kind of cliche, but my
Speaker 1: favorite moment was when she said, if they come for
Speaker 1: gay marriage in this country, you know what will happen?
Speaker 1: What will happen? No, we don't know, No one knows.
Speaker 1: That was you know what's going to happen. And then
Speaker 1: my second favorite moment was when she said, after talking
Speaker 1: about how much difficult do we have all seen in
Speaker 1: the last two years, she said, but we have seen
Speaker 1: so much kindness and positivity, and no one classed people
Speaker 1: were like where. It was like literally the opposite people.
Speaker 1: No one like this. They did. They did the this
Speaker 1: emoji I'm doing it's the light I confused emoji. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And that moment was when they found polio in the
Speaker 1: sewage in your Yeah. When she said yeah, when she
Speaker 1: said kindness, she meant polio. We have seen so much
Speaker 1: and then she came out of so much disease. Every
Speaker 1: time she spoke to the audience, it made even less
Speaker 1: sense than the time before. Unconnected, no point did she
Speaker 1: pat and I have this joke, uh, kind of an
Speaker 1: inside joke. In fact, we talked about certain people that
Speaker 1: we'll talk about someone and we'll say, you know, they
Speaker 1: need to be tagged in the say one single thing
Speaker 1: that makes sense challenge. And I would say Gaga needs
Speaker 1: to be tagged, and let's say one single thing that
Speaker 1: makes sense challenge. It's true. I yeah, that stuff was
Speaker 1: really making me laugh. I wanted almost more of it,
Speaker 1: um because what you want from her as cookie cookiness.
Speaker 1: Someone did someone did like I have to say, against
Speaker 1: my will, I did chuckle once. One posted a photo
Speaker 1: of the crowd last night and then and said there
Speaker 1: could be people in the room, and I was like,
Speaker 1: that will never get old. It's so funny. Also another
Speaker 1: thing that she said was she was like talking about
Speaker 1: her memories of Jersey and being like in the Boardwalk,
Speaker 1: come on, I've had my good time, remember that one
Speaker 1: who could forget? Who can forget the beach? The commitment
Speaker 1: to Jersey rather than just being like giving it a
Speaker 1: shout out and then mostly talking about New York. The
Speaker 1: commitment to Jersey. She was like, what about those sopranos?
Speaker 1: It was funny Jersey. I think I think they. I
Speaker 1: think every pop star who performs there is told you
Speaker 1: cannot mention New York City before Jersey. Like when we
Speaker 1: when Matt and I saw Taylor Swift there, she like
Speaker 1: barely talked about New York either. All she did was say, Wow,
Speaker 1: it's so great to be in Jersey tonight, like never
Speaker 1: mentioned New York once except in Welcome to New York.
Speaker 1: I think she did say like and who is here
Speaker 1: from New York? And the entire crowd screamed and she
Speaker 1: was like okay, and that this, and then she I
Speaker 1: think she probably did like an hashtag awkward uh segue
Speaker 1: into Welcome to New York, you know, and speaking of
Speaker 1: awkward segways, first we will do after let me finish,
Speaker 1: which we will do after. Sam says his best moment,
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, I'm literally being erased right this
Speaker 1: second in front on my own podcast. This is so crazy,
Speaker 1: very suspect, Okay, very suspect. Well, very inconsidered it, and
Speaker 1: thank you, I think um honestly, honestly, the top moment
Speaker 1: for me was I'd already been mentioned seeing shallow with
Speaker 1: everybody was so crazy when she literally goes into the
Speaker 1: like hall and it was like she's doing it, She's
Speaker 1: doing the thing we all did for like years, Like
Speaker 1: this is so crazy. I could not believe amazing. That
Speaker 1: was like seeing a way all jump in the ocean.
Speaker 1: Like I was like, I didn't think I would see
Speaker 1: this in my life. Like that was like being on
Speaker 1: the moon. Like I was like, I'm I'm there. That's
Speaker 1: also how I felt when she did the CHROMATICA two
Speaker 1: and that was the other one I was going to say.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I listened to this
Speaker 1: so many times and now I'm here and it's happening.
Speaker 1: It was. It was breathtaking. I was moved. I thought
Speaker 1: that way about holding my hands. For sure, I said,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this song that I liked today, she's
Speaker 1: doing it southing that I liked it today also. And
Speaker 1: to be the most basic, rain on Me was such
Speaker 1: a damn sleigh. I was jumping up and down. Stupid
Speaker 1: Love is a better song. What. I was shocked that
Speaker 1: she didn't end on Stupid Love because I'm sorry. Rain
Speaker 1: on Me has a feature that was like being played
Speaker 1: from the speakers. You like to end on something where
Speaker 1: you're hearing like a recorded uh featured artist. That seems
Speaker 1: so anti climactic to me. I couldn't believe she couldn't
Speaker 1: pull any special guests to come out and do that.
Speaker 1: Even if it wasn't Ariana like not, there couldn't be
Speaker 1: anyone I agree with that. I was like, yet, surely
Speaker 1: someone's coming. You couldn't fly in like Pooh, he'd love
Speaker 1: to be around these games. And she doesn't do this.
Speaker 1: She's never done this, not once, not in the since
Speaker 1: the Begs, not since the Fame Ball. She does not
Speaker 1: pull out special guests because I think she also thinks
Speaker 1: it's very important for people to associate her sharing this
Speaker 1: stage with someone else, and that only that person only
Speaker 1: being Tony Bennett for now. You know what about Bradley Cooper? Sure,
Speaker 1: and Bradley like after she's in a movie with him.
Speaker 1: But I'm sure she didn't bring up Beyonce for telephone.
Speaker 1: Ever she brought out like, you know, fucking Florence for
Speaker 1: hey girl. You know she just doesn't do that. Not true,
Speaker 1: little monsters. No, I know you're right. I ultimately was
Speaker 1: not expecting her to bring out anyone like which is
Speaker 1: why it would have been the biggest gag of ball
Speaker 1: if she surpassed those expectations. Of course, of course, the
Speaker 1: bigg what be if there was. I believe that gaging
Speaker 1: is the future. Blag them, well, gag you gag yourself
Speaker 1: big too good away, that is the greatest. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: if you gag too hard now you even answer up?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, dress some water bit Jesus Christ, protect
Speaker 1: the voice, Protect the voice. Now should we do our
Speaker 1: first segment or should we bring our guests? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't think I'm ready to bring it out. Yeah, Carson
Speaker 1: and Ross have been waiting for Keep them in limbo,
Speaker 1: Keep them in limbo. Carson, you're a great hunt a
Speaker 1: style superstar, style superstar. And I thought when you just
Speaker 1: I thought when you just went that was your Carson.
Speaker 1: It's time to be real it. No, my phone's over there,
Speaker 1: but one of us can do it. Do it. I
Speaker 1: didn't get a notification that, oh yes, it's trying to real. Okay,
Speaker 1: make sure it's a good photo of me too. Hold
Speaker 1: on and Sled, don't don't cut this out in the audio.
Speaker 1: They're gonna be really good. This is gonna be the
Speaker 1: little trailer re release on Instagram. Um, okay, if god o,
Speaker 1: you know what something that has happened literally since we've
Speaker 1: been on hiatus. Be real quick thoughts each go. I
Speaker 1: think it's boring, but I like it. It's boring, and
Speaker 1: it's boring now quickly became boring, but I'll still do it.
Speaker 1: It's like I wish it would be boring. Oh my god, real,
Speaker 1: more like bow Real. Our first segment it's called Straight Shooters,
Speaker 1: And in this segment, we gauge your familiar Oh this
Speaker 1: is my favorite segment. In we gauge your familiarity with
Speaker 1: and complicity and straight culture by asking you a series
Speaker 1: of rapid fire uh questions where you have to choose
Speaker 1: one thing or another thing or intact sometimes a third thing,
Speaker 1: and the one rule is you can't ask any follow
Speaker 1: up questions about how it works. Kapeche. This is I'm
Speaker 1: not even kidding, my favorite segment in podcasting history. It's
Speaker 1: so good, so you on the level. And I just
Speaker 1: want to say that means the world coming from you.
Speaker 1: Thank you. That means so much because so many people
Speaker 1: in our podcasting life have told us we'd never be
Speaker 1: good enough. And they said you're a freak and a
Speaker 1: loser and nobody. And I said, well, you just wait,
Speaker 1: because we've got a segment of our sleeves that's gonna
Speaker 1: rock everyone's world. Honey, if they ain't pay in your bills,
Speaker 1: pay them bitches, no mind. And I just want to
Speaker 1: say smartypically specifically to Matt Rogers and Bone Yang, you
Speaker 1: know who paved the way for so many of us
Speaker 1: here at the office. I we noticed that what you
Speaker 1: guys did when you had guests as you asked questions,
Speaker 1: and we thought, how can we put a twist on that?
Speaker 1: What if the questions are just words? Essential? That's essential? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's essential? Is um and it's and it's almost it's
Speaker 1: almost a commentary. It's a commentary on the idea of
Speaker 1: asking questions, Oh my god, you're so right at you
Speaker 1: you No, I'm not okay, no, No, he's obsessed taking
Speaker 1: away edging me. Okay, here, here we go. Boy's chromatic
Speaker 1: a ball or basketball? Marjorie Taylor Green or Anya Taylor Joy,
Speaker 1: Any Taylor Joy, Anya Taylor Joy. I see dead People
Speaker 1: or I've seen Deadpool one and two. I said that
Speaker 1: so far. Matt and I are in totally. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: really cool. Bodies bodies, bodies or location, location, location location, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's true. Ignorance is bliss or knowledge is power. Ignor
Speaker 1: ignorance bliss. You're can teller, Miles teller or if you
Speaker 1: want to tell her, tell her yourself, if you want
Speaker 1: to tell yourself, Okay, f X is the air Noah
Speaker 1: bomb Box, the squid in the whale or C. S
Speaker 1: Lewis is the Lion, the Witch and the wardrobe. C.
Speaker 1: S Lewis, I've not seen I'm not yet seen the bear.
Speaker 1: I apologize. Stacy's mom has got it going on? Or
Speaker 1: our father who art in heaven Hell it would be
Speaker 1: thy name saying wow, um, I think that was pretty good.
Speaker 1: I think that you got I want to say, seven
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty six doubs. No, not everyone can say that, well, well,
Speaker 1: we have to leave the kind of logic of school work.
Speaker 1: This isn't you know, we're not in class in some cultures,
Speaker 1: In some cultures is seven hundreds something can be actually
Speaker 1: even better than than than a thousand. Well, because sometimes
Speaker 1: less is more, right. That's something Lady Gaga taught me.
Speaker 1: Do you think Lady Gaga has ever thought less as
Speaker 1: more or did you do you think she thought? No,
Speaker 1: the piano has to well, you know, you have to
Speaker 1: wear this bug costume, Shallow, the bug costume. We have
Speaker 1: to talk about the bug costume. While she's saying shallow,
Speaker 1: that was really something it was sell for. It was
Speaker 1: dragon ball Z I love. It's not really about wearing
Speaker 1: the bug costume. It is about wearing the bug mask
Speaker 1: for Shallow and then taking it off and being like,
Speaker 1: and now we're done being like. That was specifically for Shallow.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like for this chapter of the concert. I
Speaker 1: actually was dressed as a bug just for Shallow, and
Speaker 1: she took it off so she could get real to
Speaker 1: always remember us that song, because it was it would
Speaker 1: be disrespectful to sing always remember us this way dedicated
Speaker 1: to Tony Bennett's wife dressed as a man of the Wasp. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: well I actually think I do see a segue from
Speaker 1: the bug to our topic. Yeah, should we tell you? Yeah? Okay,
Speaker 1: our topic is. The topic is and randomness? Randomness? Wow?
Speaker 1: But on the graphic you get you guys can do
Speaker 1: awkwardness and then like in smaller and a smaller font
Speaker 1: and random and random. Don't I don't want to random
Speaker 1: disease because I don't think it's like parenthetical, but I
Speaker 1: think it's like um, a subhead it's yeah, yeah, well
Speaker 1: one implies the other. And please please listen to Bowen
Speaker 1: when he says that because he has a very visual
Speaker 1: and he needs it. He needs it to make sense visually,
Speaker 1: just like I need thinks to make sense. Sonically, Bowen
Speaker 1: is the eyes and I am the ears. You understand
Speaker 1: which one of them? You understand? Which one of us
Speaker 1: is the eyes and which one of us is the ears?
Speaker 1: Would you say, mm hmmm, I don't know? Both pretty balanced?
Speaker 1: I think. Well, canonically Sam is the mat on the
Speaker 1: and George is the Bowen? Yeah? Sure? Or which makes
Speaker 1: you the Sam is the salmon and George is the George?
Speaker 1: That I would know because I would say that I'm
Speaker 1: the same. I'm not saying like, who are you? Who
Speaker 1: are you? You're not perfectly saying one thing over the other.
Speaker 1: You are simply one thing over the other. And it's
Speaker 1: also like to sit there and so like it's like
Speaker 1: even just like bring up bones, like visual eye. It's
Speaker 1: like we're we are like Matt and I are both
Speaker 1: wearing tank tops on the zoom and George are both
Speaker 1: sort of like in like kind of well lit, clean
Speaker 1: white spaces with like and just scurried away and showed
Speaker 1: he was wearing underwear. George, are you wearing only underwear?
Speaker 1: I'm actually wearing a loungewear from H and m oh.
Speaker 1: I love that brand. Um so our topic. I'm wearing underwear,
Speaker 1: are you Yeah, I'm in a tank top and underwear.
Speaker 1: We wait. Actual, I didn't have sex because I had
Speaker 1: to say it with me Molly Dick. But but we
Speaker 1: really enjoyed each other. That's all really good. Sometimes enjoying
Speaker 1: each other is sex. You know. I really like just kissing.
Speaker 1: Do you people love kissing? I love kissing. I love
Speaker 1: being so romantic. I love making out a ball. That's
Speaker 1: why when you gag and slay in the whole world. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's hear. Let's I want to I wanna. I want
Speaker 1: to hear a kind of maybe not so much a definition,
Speaker 1: I want to put you on the spot, but kind
Speaker 1: of what you think of when you think of randomness
Speaker 1: and awkwardness. And then on top of that, why it
Speaker 1: is a straight topic to you. I think on a
Speaker 1: sensibility level, like awkwardness and randomness are paired together because
Speaker 1: they um acknowledge how little sense the world makes, which
Speaker 1: is great, but it doesn't cope with it in any
Speaker 1: way except to say that's awkward or that's random. And
Speaker 1: then I think, honestly, Sam Tagget, when I first met him,
Speaker 1: what was like ten years ago, like with someone who
Speaker 1: clued me into like this bit of like going okay,
Speaker 1: like that's like I think that that kind of like
Speaker 1: in a nutshell sums up awkward randomness. Like it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: no comment, you know, like that kind of thing. Sure, sure, sure,
Speaker 1: I think that straight people. And to talk about it
Speaker 1: this decade again, the twenty they sort of could feel
Speaker 1: that queer was going to become cool, and they were like,
Speaker 1: what's the way that we can be queer? Oh, not
Speaker 1: make any sense. So they started to do like so
Speaker 1: that you know, they started to get like a little
Speaker 1: awkward and random because it threw a wrench into ordinariness.
Speaker 1: And I think that they started to sort of be
Speaker 1: awkward and random professionally and commercially because I think that
Speaker 1: it was the closest they could get to being queer. Interesting. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you're saying awkward and random was the painting of
Speaker 1: the fingernails of It's interesting because I think there are
Speaker 1: two interpretations of this. It's like, on the one hand,
Speaker 1: you have what you're talking about, like awkward and random
Speaker 1: humor were I'm thinking Napoleon Dynamite. Yes, that's perfect, okay.
Speaker 1: And then on the other hand, to me, another element
Speaker 1: of this is like seeing something and interpreting it as
Speaker 1: awkward in random like seeing something out in the world,
Speaker 1: and to me, what that is is you are uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: but you don't want to work on that, so you
Speaker 1: just put a name on it, call it random, call
Speaker 1: it awkward, and then you don't have to deal with it. Exactly.
Speaker 1: If someone is like saying something to you that is
Speaker 1: making you question something, or or like that's something you
Speaker 1: haven't heard before, something that is new. Then you can
Speaker 1: just kind of be like, oh, that's so random, instead
Speaker 1: of being like, well, maybe hear that person out. Maybe
Speaker 1: you're just not understanding maybe it's random to you because
Speaker 1: you've never challenged yourself in your life. The dismissiveness of random,
Speaker 1: the dismissiveness of and yes, this is, this isn't this
Speaker 1: is one of the most amazing conversations I've ever had.
Speaker 1: I'm not choking academic. It's very academic, but it is.
Speaker 1: I do think that is the that is the issue
Speaker 1: with the tens. I think is that the world was
Speaker 1: changing too fast for people to make sense of it.
Speaker 1: The only way they could was by calling things random
Speaker 1: and awkward, right, and not coping and not just moving on.
Speaker 1: But I think that's where like the humor comes from,
Speaker 1: because it's like, so Sudie Green was telling me about
Speaker 1: this roommate she had her freshman year of college, where um,
Speaker 1: the way she laughed was to go like this, what
Speaker 1: the fuck? Every time she laughed said what the funk
Speaker 1: at the end, And I think that's something that's what
Speaker 1: the fuck? That is straightness, that that is a straight
Speaker 1: way of like understanding the world of or reacting to something. Yes,
Speaker 1: because it is. You are not even allowing yourself the
Speaker 1: vulnerability of laughing. You are immediately painting yourself as superior
Speaker 1: because you're actually by saying, what the funk you are?
Speaker 1: Like what is that? Like, I'm I'm better than that.
Speaker 1: I'm not even going to address that, and it's like no,
Speaker 1: just laugh. Yeah. I wonder if that was freshman year.
Speaker 1: I wonder if that was like it's free. I wonder
Speaker 1: if that was like a freshman year thing of like
Speaker 1: I'm trying to have a thing or this is something
Speaker 1: I'm picking up right now because I'm a little nervous.
Speaker 1: Hashtag awkward knockward. Maybe they were the awkward one, And
Speaker 1: I would really want to check in with that girl
Speaker 1: to see if she still does that, because if she
Speaker 1: does and that's actually what she does, like that's like,
Speaker 1: you know, naturally, how she laughs and expresses that she
Speaker 1: finds something funny, that person needs to be studied. And
Speaker 1: there could be a hundred people in a room, but
Speaker 1: there can only be one that's that random. Yeah, well, okay,
Speaker 1: here's the question I have, because you know, we're lumping
Speaker 1: these two things together. Can a person be awkward without
Speaker 1: being random? Can a person be random? Without being awkward. Absolutely, well,
Speaker 1: if they're awkward all the time, it's not random. Wow, wow,
Speaker 1: I kind of love it. What she's actually a sl Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: that's actually queer. It's it's given. It is giving Napoleon
Speaker 1: Dynamite in a way, like I could I feel like
Speaker 1: the character that was missing, and Napoleon Dynamite was the
Speaker 1: one that was like who I love it? Actually? Um wait, wait,
Speaker 1: can somebody be random without being awkward? Um? Yes, yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: we don't need to explore that one. For that, Okay,
Speaker 1: my next thought, okay, here here this one out. Okay,
Speaker 1: and for my next thought, Okay, So people in the
Speaker 1: twenty tens, I think it was sort of a top
Speaker 1: down thing. I think the media was telling them that
Speaker 1: it was noble to be awkward and random, and so
Speaker 1: people that were like maybe feeling a little outsider leaned
Speaker 1: into it because they were like, actually, if I'm if
Speaker 1: I own it, if I have awkward and random pride,
Speaker 1: I'm actually the intellectual in this place. I'm actually the
Speaker 1: humorous one, and I'm the hero of this story. Yes,
Speaker 1: and that caused sun Dance movies that cost Hitchfork albums
Speaker 1: that caused uh yeah, I mean even just like Zoey
Speaker 1: Deschanel in her version one, I mean it caused blog
Speaker 1: culture that cause everything it caused like too much personality
Speaker 1: and headlines. It's everything, and I feel like it has
Speaker 1: I forgive. The usage of the term trickled down into
Speaker 1: gen Z behavior where it's like, oh, we're proud of
Speaker 1: being like like they take pride or power in feeling
Speaker 1: like antisocial, even more so than like we were in Yes.
Speaker 1: I think almost we've swung too far in the other direction,
Speaker 1: where now um, randomness and awkwardness were we claimed to
Speaker 1: such a degree yes, that you kind of want to
Speaker 1: be like, okay, let's rein it back in yeah, because
Speaker 1: sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it's it's one thing to be random,
Speaker 1: and it's another thing to just not make any fucking sense.
Speaker 1: Like if you don't make any sense, I don't care,
Speaker 1: Like I'm gonna walk away from you. I would even say,
Speaker 1: I would even say a perfect example of someone in
Speaker 1: the twenty Times who was in the twenty tense it
Speaker 1: was random but not awkward was Gaga when she first
Speaker 1: started out like Kermit the Frog dress, like all these
Speaker 1: crazy things. You're like, what the fuck, But she wasn't
Speaker 1: being awkward about it. She was like committing herself to
Speaker 1: the bed while being random, and it always made sense
Speaker 1: to her. It was random to us, but it was
Speaker 1: always a comment. Yes, but do you know when? Do
Speaker 1: you know what the one thing she did that was
Speaker 1: interpreted as awkward, Joe Calderon, that was awkward, That was
Speaker 1: that was awkward, That was not just random random, and
Speaker 1: not even random, Not even random, Joe Calderon, was the
Speaker 1: definition of when when randomness and awkwardness combine, that's when
Speaker 1: you get to cringe. Oh wow, wow, wow, my my
Speaker 1: thesis maybe mats the George this So really I think
Speaker 1: we really excavated something. I understand the world better now.
Speaker 1: I really wait, I just want to as a counter
Speaker 1: you know things now that I didn't know then. Then Okay,
Speaker 1: So if if random and awkward are straight, does that
Speaker 1: mean normal is gay? Wow? I think there is. I
Speaker 1: think there's a normy counter culture and gay culture right now.
Speaker 1: Not even a counter culture. I think I think it's
Speaker 1: just a culture. It's your genius. But no, no, no,
Speaker 1: But I like, awkward and random are normy counter cultures.
Speaker 1: So it's not like they're not normal. They are offshoots
Speaker 1: of normal the fact that awkward and random exist. It
Speaker 1: makes the normal hegemony stronger. Wow. For awkward and random
Speaker 1: to exist, because it only props it up more totally,
Speaker 1: awkward and random is have to Awkward and random have
Speaker 1: to exist in opposition to something, and that's something is
Speaker 1: and that entire ecosystem is straight. It's not like one
Speaker 1: is queer and one is straight. The entire ecosystem of
Speaker 1: normal and then normal and then things in opposition to normal.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna draw it out. I'm gonna draw it out. Yes, Okay,
Speaker 1: so it's a ven diagram. This is where Bowen is
Speaker 1: the eyes and then okay, so you see awkward and
Speaker 1: normal are two separate circles, but they are in the
Speaker 1: Venn diagram, the bigger ven diagram of I'm taking a
Speaker 1: screenshot so that we can post this, and I do think,
Speaker 1: I do think. What would you could do is you
Speaker 1: can make those circles in her lap and in the
Speaker 1: middle is cringe because cringe is at the heart of straight.
Speaker 1: It is you know, Bowen. Have you considered making them
Speaker 1: in her lap? Yeah? Yeah, I'm gonna. I'm gonna think
Speaker 1: about doing that. Weight Awkward and normal overlapping is not cringe.
Speaker 1: You were saying awkward and random. Right, I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: may being not the eyes. I was having a difficult
Speaker 1: time series. Oh I see what you're saying random. Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: that's random. Yeah. Oh okay, thank you for them. And
Speaker 1: this is cringe. Okay, all right. I'm like, you're literally
Speaker 1: making like a map for the beginning of some sort
Speaker 1: of book. I think we write this, I need an
Speaker 1: oral history from Napoleon Dynamite to Juno. Well, so you're
Speaker 1: going more prestige also where it's like there is also
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, I think of Napoleon Dynamite as prestige,
Speaker 1: but I think random and I love them and they
Speaker 1: raised me in many ways. But I think you can't
Speaker 1: talk about random without talking about Lonely Island. I do
Speaker 1: like hot Rod, Like hot Rod was almost peak Internet
Speaker 1: random humor because like in a commercial like do you
Speaker 1: remember like cool Beans remix while in the middle of
Speaker 1: hot Rod, it's not it's not Lonely is As. You
Speaker 1: know what the awkward random origin is what Homestar runner. Wow,
Speaker 1: you're damned so fucking correct. Okay, here is my this
Speaker 1: is my origin of awkward and random. That is like
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, it's like this professor that studies
Speaker 1: really kind of niche things and it's and it's going
Speaker 1: to say something. Really, are you ready? It is the
Speaker 1: it is the Amanda Show sketch the Girl's Room where
Speaker 1: one of the girls always says, I like eggs. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. Honestly, it's it does come for awkwardness and randomness.
Speaker 1: It's the the generation that was old enough to appreciate
Speaker 1: Napoleon Dynamite and like high school, their children shows were
Speaker 1: the kind of things that were like eggs. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: like like Gill, like Gilly, like being such a thing
Speaker 1: for so long was because people in their childhood had
Speaker 1: a trauma because they were watching kids shows where it
Speaker 1: was like I like eggs or or or And in fact,
Speaker 1: I'm not realizing so much of the Amanda Show was
Speaker 1: like that, the one where she would always like whack
Speaker 1: Drake Bell in the face a hill billion moment moment.
Speaker 1: Another UM member Laurie best Denberg that that fucking segment
Speaker 1: on all guys like that was this full slate but
Speaker 1: it was random. Okay, how about the Andy Milanakas show
Speaker 1: Vital Infamation Ye random? And so much MTV programming at
Speaker 1: the time, and we love them, but we hate them
Speaker 1: for what they did to our friends. But like adults
Speaker 1: swim stuff and back in the day like Aquitine Hunger Force,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, random, it's the fries or talking
Speaker 1: to the meatballs or what you know, Like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: this is tough. This is to like good Burger, Like
Speaker 1: aren't orange soda? Yes exactly. It's like, what is the
Speaker 1: joke with who loves orange soda? Killer's range soda? I do?
Speaker 1: I do? I do you? That's funny, very random? You
Speaker 1: know what else this is bringing? Wait, this is actually
Speaker 1: I'm having a huge insight. Okay, I'm actually skitches that
Speaker 1: this is related to the overreliance on just references. Like
Speaker 1: just because something is a reference doesn't make it interesting
Speaker 1: or funny or insightful, but it does make it random.
Speaker 1: If you just reference something, it's and that's like the
Speaker 1: orange soda thing. It's like, okay, great, now we know
Speaker 1: this is a joke. Whenever they mentioned orange soda, you
Speaker 1: just know to laugh. Yeah, yeah, can I can I
Speaker 1: be really random right now? Yeah? If you're not awkward.
Speaker 1: We found out that Trump has violated the Espionage Act.
Speaker 1: They did find top top secret info at marl Large.
Speaker 1: Are you reading Twitter while you're you're reading No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm my literally popped up on my phone as a notification,
Speaker 1: and I literally it was like this, and then it
Speaker 1: went it lit up like that because I saw the
Speaker 1: news headline, can I tell you something, Matt. When I
Speaker 1: saw your face change, I thought you were offended because
Speaker 1: I made a light joke about you saying, um, interlap
Speaker 1: And I literally this entire time thought that you were
Speaker 1: mad at me because I said that. No, I'm not
Speaker 1: mad at you. I said interlap you. He said that,
Speaker 1: so he was mad at I've been thinking this entire
Speaker 1: time how much I love you. I've actually been thinking
Speaker 1: at this entire time, especially last night, and I was
Speaker 1: so excited. I was like, I love everyone here. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry to be a fucking idiot, but I loved everyone
Speaker 1: last night. I actually and when you when you guys
Speaker 1: had your when you guys had your earnest moment in
Speaker 1: the beginning, I loved that. Last night. I felt an
Speaker 1: overwhelming almost um I would say it was almost a
Speaker 1: sadness in the knowledge that I will never be able
Speaker 1: to express to each person how much they mean to me.
Speaker 1: It was so special. Yes, you last night, Bone and
Speaker 1: I had a very we had a nice moment, a
Speaker 1: nice moment, quick quick quick things in each other's ears,
Speaker 1: very quick affirmations of love to each other. It's very important.
Speaker 1: It's very important. It's gotta do I I can't recommend
Speaker 1: it enough. And you guys did that earlier and it
Speaker 1: was so beautiful. Even if it was sort of a
Speaker 1: little bit of a joke, I knew it was real.
Speaker 1: Sam and I have been doing it more and more.
Speaker 1: I would say. I also like, there's just something. I mean,
Speaker 1: when I'm in a room with Sam, I feel safer.
Speaker 1: It's true. That is the ultimate carbons Fanza starts now, um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I do feel like I have to explain
Speaker 1: less to George and he just sort of understands. It's like,
Speaker 1: that's where I'm coming from. It's really nice. Earnestness is
Speaker 1: the least awkward. Sometimes it can be awkward, but it's
Speaker 1: the least random thing. Well, you know that awkward if
Speaker 1: the receiving party is not committing to list honny. You know,
Speaker 1: awkwardness and randomness are literally a reaction to being genuine
Speaker 1: and be real, Like fear. It is a complete fear
Speaker 1: dased response, so like, yeah, of course, it's like why
Speaker 1: is Napoleon Dynamite written like that? Or why is sorry
Speaker 1: Juno written like that? Because they can't say what they mean.
Speaker 1: But by the end, Juno does say what she means exactly,
Speaker 1: thank you. That's my point, you know what, if you
Speaker 1: know you know what? My favorite, my favorite part of
Speaker 1: Juno is at the end when um, she says to
Speaker 1: Michael Sarah like, I just like you're you don't even
Speaker 1: really try. You're so cool and you don't even really try.
Speaker 1: And he says, I try really hard. Actually, you know,
Speaker 1: I actually complete You're right, and I completely take back
Speaker 1: my examples. It's what is a good example of what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's like using it as a defense mechanism,
Speaker 1: like using awkwardness and randomness as a defense mechanism. The
Speaker 1: character of Juno does that. The character of Juno, I
Speaker 1: would say, it's even like yeah, it's almost like the
Speaker 1: ethos of the movie rather than the actual movie itself.
Speaker 1: It's like, yes, there's a certain distance, like it doesn't
Speaker 1: like you in too close, which I guess is why
Speaker 1: it works ultimately, because then it's even more rewarding at
Speaker 1: the end when they do get earnest. Yeah, it's sort
Speaker 1: of a sort of a commentary on random not not song.
Speaker 1: They sing a song with each other, which is the
Speaker 1: most intimate thing you can do. Like, they sing a
Speaker 1: song together, which is so you know, that song is
Speaker 1: peak random in terms of the lyrical content. The political
Speaker 1: content is random, and and for your band to be
Speaker 1: called the multi Peaches is random. But they were but
Speaker 1: that they had a shared sense of humor and they
Speaker 1: were sharing it with each other, and there is intimacy,
Speaker 1: and that they're also supposed to be children. Their flawed,
Speaker 1: they're dumb, they're supposed to have bad, bad taste and whatever.
Speaker 1: We're almost like, okay, not everything is random, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like we're sort of putting everything in
Speaker 1: random and it's like somethings are weird and that's different
Speaker 1: than random. Actually, um and Sam is petty. Sam is
Speaker 1: really mad. No, this is why I try to pour
Speaker 1: my heart out to him. He's like, first of all, bitch,
Speaker 1: not everything's random. First of all, I think I think
Speaker 1: we can look. It's my job in this podcast sometimes
Speaker 1: stop us from getting carried away, because it can start
Speaker 1: to feel like you know, yes, that that that that,
Speaker 1: and it's like, actually not all that. So sometimes, like
Speaker 1: I think we're a lot of humor, and some humor
Speaker 1: is silly but not inherently random. I love silly. I
Speaker 1: love silly love of course, I mean it's politically necessary.
Speaker 1: I love silly. I love stupid. I don't really like awkward.
Speaker 1: I don't like awkward or random. Um okay, wait, I
Speaker 1: have on do you count? Like I'd say, like Nathan
Speaker 1: for You is awkward, but it's awkward done really well
Speaker 1: the way I was going to say that exact same thing.
Speaker 1: It's awkward. Yeah, it's like it's awkward sort of in
Speaker 1: the same space as like improv, where it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: when it's bad, it's horrible, but when it's good it
Speaker 1: is sort of magical. But it's awkward in a very
Speaker 1: controlled way, in a way that is that leaves you
Speaker 1: watching it questioning the reality of things. I think it
Speaker 1: transcends awkward. I don't think awkward is the right label.
Speaker 1: I do think it is a It is a commentary
Speaker 1: on awkward in random much like Juno. Nathan for You
Speaker 1: is very much the Juno of show that's been off
Speaker 1: the airplane. Yea, yeah, Okay, No, see Nathan for You
Speaker 1: is cringe. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Neither of you uses
Speaker 1: cringe to comment on awkward It takes awkward to the
Speaker 1: most heightened place so that you see the truth. Okay.
Speaker 1: And also it's it's not using it's not um it's
Speaker 1: not using awkwardness as a crutch like many of these
Speaker 1: things that we are. It's not using awkwardness. It's about
Speaker 1: awkwardness like it is an investigation of awkwardness more so
Speaker 1: than relying on awkwardness as a crutch because at a
Speaker 1: loss for other things, exactly, And a perfect example is
Speaker 1: an early episode of Nathan for You where he works
Speaker 1: with a gas station attendant and then it goes great,
Speaker 1: and at the very end, the gas station attendant, out
Speaker 1: of nowhere, starts talking about how he drinks his grandson's
Speaker 1: peace sometimes and it comes it really comes out of nowhere,
Speaker 1: and then Nathan Fielder like, I think, I think, I
Speaker 1: think this is a real moment. But it's one of
Speaker 1: those things in the show where you're like, is this real?
Speaker 1: But Nathan Fielder, the real person is like wait, what,
Speaker 1: like what are you talking about? And that is awkward,
Speaker 1: random and cringe. All three it's all three and one thing,
Speaker 1: the Holy trenity, awkward, random, and cringe and no one's
Speaker 1: done it since The Office. Thank you, Steve, Thank you
Speaker 1: you are an icon. Everything you've done to the community
Speaker 1: is awkward. Yes, yes, that is actually such a great
Speaker 1: example that that we hadn't touched on is actually mockumentary
Speaker 1: in general is like, oh my god, George, you're so right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like when done well, like to me, Christopher, Guests movies
Speaker 1: are like the biggest pleasure. It's like the perfect movies
Speaker 1: because much like Nathan for you, they actually are it's
Speaker 1: about the subject of those things rather than using them
Speaker 1: as crutches. Whereas The Office at its worst, not always
Speaker 1: at its worst, is just using awkwardness and randomness. Well
Speaker 1: it uses it as like a sprinkle because like I
Speaker 1: think The Office is a good show, and then like
Speaker 1: like I need like way less of Jim being like random,
Speaker 1: like yes, weird, Like Jim is one of the worst
Speaker 1: parts of right, And I feel bad saying that because
Speaker 1: you kind of need him to even have The Office
Speaker 1: because like it's so like when you think of the Office,
Speaker 1: like probably top three things you think about is Jim
Speaker 1: looking at the camera like but but Jim is Jim
Speaker 1: is awkward, and Dwight is random. Yes, yeah, and Michael
Speaker 1: and Michael Scott is correct. Yes. Wait, one tiny little
Speaker 1: footnote is about when we were talking about improv briefly.
Speaker 1: Improv in fact, is the definition of random because it's
Speaker 1: literally give us a topic. Like it's literally pick a
Speaker 1: random thing and then build something around it. Yeah. Wait,
Speaker 1: I have a question. Yeah, do you guys think John
Speaker 1: Grazinski is hot? Yeah? No, I don't either. I mean,
Speaker 1: he seems lovely, just doesn't He just doesn't do it
Speaker 1: for me. But it's fine. Much like many of these
Speaker 1: I heard he is not lovely. I heard he's well
Speaker 1: then there you go. Yeah, that's what I've heard. Jims
Speaker 1: has Juma says he's an absolute and that's fact checked.
Speaker 1: I do think that much like many of these guys.
Speaker 1: And this is I'm not saying anything new, but I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was hot when it was like a surprise that
Speaker 1: he was hot, He's not hot now that he's like
Speaker 1: funded by the CIA. Yeah, like to look at him
Speaker 1: in the office and be like, you know what kind
Speaker 1: of round them that I find him hot? Now that
Speaker 1: it's awkward, that's awkward admitting with my wife. You know
Speaker 1: what's weird? Like it's like The Office had John Krasinski
Speaker 1: become hot leading man, and Parks and Rec had Chris
Speaker 1: Pratt become hot leading man exactly, but we're not seeing
Speaker 1: anything from uh, thirty Rock. Where is the hot leading
Speaker 1: man from thirty Rock? Why isn't Jack McBrayer in the
Speaker 1: Marvel cinematic? In what I want to know? I think
Speaker 1: that's really what I'm saying. You know, I think it
Speaker 1: is so hot and truly, like is just whatever is
Speaker 1: so hot? Is Jonathan from thirty Rock Mole Pincholi a
Speaker 1: sweetheart in real life? And is I'm so attracted to
Speaker 1: him deeply? And I want to say, like Juilliard, like
Speaker 1: he's like a real wonderful Wait which one Jonathan oh
Speaker 1: when started his career as hot leading man? No, well
Speaker 1: that's someone who started his career as a hot leading man.
Speaker 1: The premise of what I was saying, Hans, if you listen,
Speaker 1: was that it's someone from the show who then became
Speaker 1: a hot leading man. It's someone it's someone that like
Speaker 1: was not put there to be hot. And then people
Speaker 1: were like, wait, that person is hot, right? Yeah, thanks,
Speaker 1: but thanks I you're gonna get glimpse into my relationship
Speaker 1: with Hans, which is really a very flirt very flirting. God,
Speaker 1: I had no idea. It's sort of random when you
Speaker 1: are wanting to flirt with someone and you're nasty to them,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I guess I was thinking.
Speaker 1: It's more like sounds like illegal, Like it's like you're
Speaker 1: like flirting with like a coworker, you know what it means,
Speaker 1: like you should it sounds yeah, it sounds like we
Speaker 1: should call nine one one and not the one in CHROMATICA. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm talking jail time Darling. Kim Petra said, Problematique, Problematique,
Speaker 1: that should be my album? When what are we gonna
Speaker 1: do about her? There's no time? Can you say that again?
Speaker 1: Problematique that should be my album? What the fuck? I mean?
Speaker 1: Why are we laughing? Why are we laughing? We laughing
Speaker 1: at the metal? Amazing? It's amazing. Are were laughing on
Speaker 1: on a meta level? At Yeah, Well, I think the
Speaker 1: funny thing is that there is this person Soudo knows
Speaker 1: that did that. It's not like that's the funny thing.
Speaker 1: But also there's, um, there's an SNL sketch that I
Speaker 1: think is also I'm sorry but this is before my time,
Speaker 1: but there's ob cessily strong and Scarlett Johnson dressed up
Speaker 1: in like nerdy clothes going to a museum. They're like
Speaker 1: going in front of this dinosaur skeleton and then like
Speaker 1: you know, someone's explaining what the dinosaur is, and then
Speaker 1: both of them it's piece of a pot and both
Speaker 1: of them are like, okay, giant, what have you been?
Speaker 1: A giant turt under the dino? And everyone's gonna be like, um,
Speaker 1: that happened, you know, like it's like, but why are
Speaker 1: we laughing at that? Because we're laughing at that kind
Speaker 1: of the idea because those people are so we know
Speaker 1: those people and they're like annoying and we wanted someone
Speaker 1: to make fun of them for a long time. And
Speaker 1: also in the peg, so that so that happened is
Speaker 1: exactly what we were saying of like seeing something that
Speaker 1: seeing something that makes you uncomfortable or as somehow um
Speaker 1: foreign and then not knowing bring it down to your
Speaker 1: level by being like okay, okay, I guess so uh
Speaker 1: are we all? We all saw that? And those people
Speaker 1: that those people thinking they're funny, It drives me crazy,
Speaker 1: like just being like, well that happened, like okay, don't
Speaker 1: sell you that, and or like that kind of like jokes.
Speaker 1: So I guess that's not a joke. Okay, I guess
Speaker 1: we're having this converse. It's very like Midwestern like barbecue humor.
Speaker 1: My mom, you always go to the Midwest when you
Speaker 1: want to sell something. Honey, I've earned it, I've spent
Speaker 1: my time there. I I don't need it anymore. I know.
Speaker 1: It's just I guess I'm always thinking of like my
Speaker 1: parents friends and like the ones that I think they're funny.
Speaker 1: I'm always like, oh no, here we go, and it
Speaker 1: hurts every time. Sorry, sorry, if sorry, If you're okay,
Speaker 1: if you're listening to this podcast and you're my parents friend,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm but you're not funny. But you're not
Speaker 1: funny period. And if you listen to this and your
Speaker 1: instinct is to go, well, he said that that happened,
Speaker 1: that you're proving his point. Stupid, stupid, idiot, fool, go
Speaker 1: back to cost to my parents. So what are the
Speaker 1: so so, what are the correct ways to react to things?
Speaker 1: I feel this way. I feel sad, I feel happy,
Speaker 1: I feel scared, yeah, be honest about your feelings. For once.
Speaker 1: It's Renee Brown. Label the feeling, because then it shapes
Speaker 1: the experience. Okay, just say how you feel, because the
Speaker 1: word bingo defines the experience theory. Because guess what by
Speaker 1: saying so that happened, you're literally taking making yourself even
Speaker 1: you're putting even more distance between what between you and
Speaker 1: what you're experiencing. You should be putting, We're gonna always
Speaker 1: remember something this way if you say, well, that happened
Speaker 1: every single time, Like to always remember something this way,
Speaker 1: you have to have a way like not just the
Speaker 1: way you not just a standard. Even just saying after
Speaker 1: something happens, I'll always remember us this way. That locks
Speaker 1: it in. That's it is. It is literally the opposite
Speaker 1: of so that happened. Because imagine if literally what was
Speaker 1: his name in the movie Jackson Maine. If if Jackson
Speaker 1: Maine pissed himself on stage with the Grammys and Ali
Speaker 1: literally just going so, I guess that happened. Okay, wait,
Speaker 1: but if that actually happened, I would be laughing. That
Speaker 1: wouldn't be the funniest thing I had ever seen. It
Speaker 1: cuts to her happened, Okay, and then just one part
Speaker 1: where she's like, I guess this is adulting, Like we're
Speaker 1: making laugh so major plot point in any movie like
Speaker 1: that Titanic thinking, uh that that happened. Okay, so I
Speaker 1: guess we're sinking. Now do you know you literally do
Speaker 1: you know what we're literally describing? What say it with me? Marvel?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? Really this is what Marvel is. Marvel
Speaker 1: is the ultimate triumph of awkward and random random. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: the Celestia stone is being combined with the grouper biotics
Speaker 1: sense and we have to go and then like literally
Speaker 1: you'll cut to a raccoon exactly like right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I am grout. Okay, wait I am. I am Guardians.
Speaker 1: I hate Guardians and Boone and I famously out of
Speaker 1: Guardians of the Galaxy of Volume one because if I
Speaker 1: had to hear that tree, so I am grout one
Speaker 1: more time and people will be like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: that is so funny. He is grouting, it's all he says.
Speaker 1: That is so stupid. I mean, I am grout. The
Speaker 1: concept of I am grout is one of the most
Speaker 1: politically regressive things aesthetically that has ever happened in our culture.
Speaker 1: The fact that I am meant to find it funny
Speaker 1: that a tree says, I am grout not to be
Speaker 1: the automan, but Guardians is a slay and also and
Speaker 1: then I'll tell you but they're also trying what they're
Speaker 1: trying when they bring out like baby Grout because now
Speaker 1: there's this thing of like, oh, we're re energizing because
Speaker 1: I'm thing is a baby now like baby Yoda. And
Speaker 1: it worked with baby Yoda because it's so baby Groot
Speaker 1: because something is a baby now. Her name is Groa
Speaker 1: her name, and she Grog is the cutest thing that's
Speaker 1: ever been made. And ever it is a triumph of artistry,
Speaker 1: of puppetry of cinema is so powerful. Figure you everyone
Speaker 1: needs everyone needs a baby grow g Everyone needs one,
Speaker 1: Like honestly, it's there. It's amazing to bring on a vacation.
Speaker 1: You can dress them up like baby Yoda slash grow
Speaker 1: Gou is something that like I would love, like I
Speaker 1: would like to tell my past self about, like I'd
Speaker 1: be like, hold on, baby, because in a few years
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a baby Yoda and you're gonna love it. Yeah, earnestly,
Speaker 1: I'm so happy that baby Yoda exists. I really am
Speaker 1: I it's so important. Yeah, I think baby Yoda, we
Speaker 1: haven't really seen this type of um like sort of
Speaker 1: fantasia around like a toy since tickled me almost and
Speaker 1: this one and this one wasn't going to kill you
Speaker 1: pick memo was killing people? Say that, oh, given seas
Speaker 1: to all the kids. And then the parent said the kids,
Speaker 1: So I guess that's normal. Now I would go, well,
Speaker 1: five dollars later, need five dollars later, and my kid
Speaker 1: is dead. I need a drink. I need a cocktail. Honey,
Speaker 1: where's the bar. That's another like like that. Honey, where's
Speaker 1: the bar? Huh? Where's the bar? I don't need a
Speaker 1: cocktail yesterday? Oh? I mean we need to leave it.
Speaker 1: We need to leave this planet yesterday. Yes, I love that.
Speaker 1: I love those types of people. They're they're fun to me. Wine.
Speaker 1: But George, what are you thinking about? George thought? No,
Speaker 1: you're like so, I truly am just. I would say,
Speaker 1: I would say intellectually, the things that have been put
Speaker 1: into my brain throughout this recording are making it about
Speaker 1: to burst. You're exhausted. It's been very stimulating. This is
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to say. Everyone is making such good points,
Speaker 1: and I and I and I feel this almost coked
Speaker 1: out energy of having me sip up. No no, no,
Speaker 1: we we we can slow it down, we can pump
Speaker 1: the brain. I mean no, no, no no, no, please, I
Speaker 1: know what I'm doing. Oh, trust me. Intellectual intellectual intellectual
Speaker 1: rigor is his wine. Don't talk to me until I've
Speaker 1: had my intellectual rigor. Honey, where's the library? That's what
Speaker 1: George is saying. I've actually been dying for an ic
Speaker 1: coffee this whole time, and now it's like three, but
Speaker 1: I slept until literally, so this still my morning. What
Speaker 1: do I do? I asked my I just want to
Speaker 1: say your morning can look like anything. Yeah, And honestly,
Speaker 1: at night coffee is one of those beautiful things you
Speaker 1: can get. I actually love a night coffee. Um, should
Speaker 1: we wait? I think we have to do our final segment,
Speaker 1: which is actually crazy because we have another recording. Actually,
Speaker 1: who are you recording with next? Wouldn't you like to know?
Speaker 1: You told us yesterday who it was? Shut up? I forgot,
Speaker 1: but I forgot. It's someone I really like. It's someone
Speaker 1: you both really like. Someone that will UM believe? Have
Speaker 1: you believe in? Gagging is the future Whitney Whitney Whitney
Speaker 1: gag with somebody. I want to people the sight with
Speaker 1: somebody just coming on the pot. You put that out
Speaker 1: it was toxic. We're gonna dub that, um happen. No,
Speaker 1: that's that's Deadpool humor, which is talk about toxic, which
Speaker 1: is where random meets cruelty. We're actually just actually we're
Speaker 1: gonna just bleep the name that Matt said so that
Speaker 1: we can witness the aftermath while not offending anyone. Can
Speaker 1: I tell you, guys, one more one more awkward thing? Yes, yes, Okay,
Speaker 1: So this is the secondhand story. But um, from one
Speaker 1: of the movers at my when I used to work
Speaker 1: as a mover, there was this guy who loved, like
Speaker 1: got all of his humor from sort of internet culture
Speaker 1: and it was really bad. But he was talking to
Speaker 1: the client and he was talking about how like this
Speaker 1: couch was gonna like be kind of difficult to get
Speaker 1: into the hallway and it was going to fit awkwardly.
Speaker 1: And he was like, yeah, it's gonna be pretty awkward,
Speaker 1: like Deadpool meeting Deadpool. Oh no, I like that premise.
Speaker 1: I like that. I don't like how hot. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: actually hate every single part. I'm trying to find something
Speaker 1: to like about it because he seems nice and well,
Speaker 1: here's what I like about it. I like the effort.
Speaker 1: I like that he wrote it. That was a pre
Speaker 1: written joke. He was on his way, you know, he
Speaker 1: woke up in the morning and was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: if if nothing else today, I am going to land
Speaker 1: this joke. And here we are talking about it. And
Speaker 1: in some ways he did, Hey, well behaved. Um movers
Speaker 1: rarely make history, and he made a splash that day.
Speaker 1: And love him or hate him, it's still an obsession.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm going to reference that reference humor. Here
Speaker 1: we go. Um, okay, let's do our final segment. All right,
Speaker 1: what's the Let's do the final segment. It's my favorite
Speaker 1: segment in podcasting history. Our final segment shout outs, and
Speaker 1: then we give a shout out to anything that we enjoy,
Speaker 1: sort of in the classic style of imagine. It's who
Speaker 1: hasn't Want And you're at t r L in Times
Speaker 1: Scores shouting out to your squad back home, anything that
Speaker 1: you like, give it a shout out. George, do you
Speaker 1: have one? I could like really wing it. It's actually
Speaker 1: I just want to say it is by design that
Speaker 1: we don't think of the as ahead of time, because
Speaker 1: otherwise they wouldn't be spontaneous. So no one can be
Speaker 1: mad at us that we quote unquote had two months
Speaker 1: to prepare for the quote unquote first episode of the season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but here's I'm going to do one that is actually
Speaker 1: so basic that it is a commentary on being basic.
Speaker 1: Everyone ready, Yeah, what's up, listeners, and welcome the season
Speaker 1: three of the pod. I want to give a quick
Speaker 1: shout out to soaking beans. This is something that feels
Speaker 1: very you. You might say feels very uten or maybe
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen or seventeen. It's something people you know, it's
Speaker 1: something you read the Alison Roman newsletter. Let's say, and
Speaker 1: and she says and she and she kind of makes
Speaker 1: it a thing of like don't yell at me, I
Speaker 1: don't soak beans. Sorry, And then you're like, oh, interesting.
Speaker 1: I guess our debates happening about these and parts of
Speaker 1: the internet where people don't have to worry about other topics.
Speaker 1: But here's what I will tell you, listener, is that
Speaker 1: I just soaked beans for the first time, made them
Speaker 1: the other week, and guess what the girl is all right,
Speaker 1: I have never had a creamier line of bean in
Speaker 1: my life. I made a completely improvised white beans salad
Speaker 1: and had it for lunch. We're talking corn, we're talking aboutvocado,
Speaker 1: we are talking uh feta, and we were talking personally
Speaker 1: and a lemon dressing, and none of that will be
Speaker 1: possible without a little thing called soaking beans. And it's
Speaker 1: just shout out to Allison Roman and I wish for
Speaker 1: the best. Allison is back. She's been back, She's been back,
Speaker 1: Alison Ben Roman that what I just did is a reference.
Speaker 1: It's like referenced humorference. We actually are guilty of both
Speaker 1: random and reference humor. And everyone is everyone no one,
Speaker 1: no one is making humor to vacuum all the course
Speaker 1: of course, so making humor? So what what the funk
Speaker 1: am I saying? Making? Hey? Okay, okay, okay, okay, hold on,
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on um, I've got one somewhere. Let's see, Okay,
Speaker 1: I've got it. What's up, freaks, losers and perverts across
Speaker 1: the globe? I love you and I see you. I
Speaker 1: would like to give a shout out to the man
Speaker 1: selling water outside of the CHROMATICA concert last night, because
Speaker 1: when I got out of that concert. I was overjoyed
Speaker 1: with joy, but I was feeling parched with water and
Speaker 1: I was dying, and I said, if someone why is
Speaker 1: I thought this was a capitalist nation, Why is no
Speaker 1: one selling water? I'm willing to pay upwards of ten
Speaker 1: dollars for a bottle of damn water because I am thirsty.
Speaker 1: And then comes this man who, yeah, it was probably
Speaker 1: going against the government and probably not licensed. I hope
Speaker 1: that's okay with everyone. Sometimes I support unlicensed vendors. And
Speaker 1: he said, I will give you this water bottle for
Speaker 1: four dollars, and I said I will pay that, and
Speaker 1: I drank it and I wish I had gotten to
Speaker 1: because I was so fucking thirsty and getting out of
Speaker 1: that stadium was a nightmare. I think I will maybe
Speaker 1: never go to that location again, unless I, of course,
Speaker 1: have to to see my girl Stephanie Germanata, who I
Speaker 1: do still stand and I hope to one day be
Speaker 1: um dead as mentally ill as I was in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty to fall in love with her next album, just
Speaker 1: as hard as I fell in love with Romatica. I
Speaker 1: Love America. Wow. I did not expect it to end
Speaker 1: on I Love America. That was that was a random
Speaker 1: left turn with it. Here's what I will say, unlicensed
Speaker 1: vendors are. In fact, I actually am going of bang
Speaker 1: pots and pans every day to unlicensed vendors. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: agree with that. There are some of our nation's greatest heroes,
Speaker 1: and Andrew Yane tried to come for them, the Truro people.
Speaker 1: How dare he? How dare he? Wish I could slap
Speaker 1: him across the face of the Turro. He's one of
Speaker 1: America's worst people. Act. Yeah, I have to agree. Okay,
Speaker 1: who wants to go next? I'll go. I have something
Speaker 1: I can go. Okay, Yeah, it's it's a it's it's
Speaker 1: a fun one as as as these all have been.
Speaker 1: And I wasn't questioning until you said that awkward. Hey, hey, hey, um,
Speaker 1: what's happening? That's the line from one of my favorite
Speaker 1: singers and Missy Elliott. But that's not my shout out singer. Famously,
Speaker 1: I wanted to shout out the entire cast and crew
Speaker 1: up into the Woods on Broadway. I saw this show
Speaker 1: on Wednesday night with our good friend Matt Whittaker. I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry, Patrick, there's another good friend of ours. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm going with Matt. Yes, Matt's going with Matt Whittaker.
Speaker 1: But I saw this production. Um. You know my favorite
Speaker 1: Sondheim show, the first Sonheim show I saw on videotape,
Speaker 1: the Burgend of Peter's version of the original Broadway run. Um,
Speaker 1: very formative culture for me. I didn't realize. And you
Speaker 1: know what, shout out to Celestium for sharing with me
Speaker 1: this beautiful piece of wisdom that the most politically important
Speaker 1: and impactful art is children's books and anything having to
Speaker 1: do with children's stories. Because you know what, my favorite
Speaker 1: thing about Into the Woods is that to show about impact,
Speaker 1: and that's why it's impactful. Sarah barellis Um, Brian Darcy, James,
Speaker 1: Katina Miller, Philip stood, gabbing creole. Julia Lester was a
Speaker 1: great little red um. Any Golden Hoo could forget punk
Speaker 1: legend and Broadway legend and the golden The mute Lady
Speaker 1: on Orange is the New Black, which he opens her
Speaker 1: Mountain sings You're happy, and you go why they make
Speaker 1: her mute? I loved it by I loved all the
Speaker 1: listening of the names. I felt like I was like
Speaker 1: ready for sort of Oscar's playoff music to start. I
Speaker 1: thought that could have been a saying yeah as someone
Speaker 1: who's also seen it and is going again because it
Speaker 1: was just that fabulous. I have to concur with every
Speaker 1: word that my sister has just said. It's really excellent.
Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite theater experiences I've had. Do
Speaker 1: you think Here's my question. I went when Gavin Creole
Speaker 1: was in fact unavailable and his understudy filled in. Oh,
Speaker 1: you didn't even see Cheyenne. I didn't even see Cheyenne.
Speaker 1: But luckily on like some people on the Zoom, I
Speaker 1: did see Sarah Barrells. I literally went to the show
Speaker 1: and Sarah was sick, and I literally I looked at
Speaker 1: my playbill and saw the role of the Baker's wife
Speaker 1: will be porprayed by someone else, and I almost asked
Speaker 1: for I literally, but I screenshot it. I screenshoted your
Speaker 1: story and send it to Matthew and I was like,
Speaker 1: this could not happen to a less deserving person. This
Speaker 1: is like, specifically, for that to happen to you. For
Speaker 1: that to happen to Matt was really hard. And I'm
Speaker 1: going again on on the twenty three, and I'm I'm
Speaker 1: Matt Wicker and I are going and you've seen it.
Speaker 1: I think and so that that that's a testament um
Speaker 1: and Bowen Yang and I are also going to Celia
Speaker 1: Michelle and Funny Girl. I need to get but it's
Speaker 1: gonna be difficult. I'm ready go for it. Take it away.
Speaker 1: What's up everybody? This is your boy, Matt Rodgers, third
Speaker 1: time on Tradio. I'm very happy to be here. Thank
Speaker 1: you to the host for having me once again. I
Speaker 1: want to give a quick shout out to desk o
Speaker 1: vie for prep. It allows you not to use condoms,
Speaker 1: because condoms fucking suck. Who wants to use a condom?
Speaker 1: It's a whole thing. It's an awkward random oh when
Speaker 1: you're trying to get it on. Honestly, for me, I
Speaker 1: just rather stick it in raw, un protected, bareback, if
Speaker 1: you will. I love raw. I'm prepeted bareback sex and
Speaker 1: being come inside of myself and coming in other people.
Speaker 1: Desk o vie for prep allows it to happen. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm running the risk of getting other scis always, but
Speaker 1: that doesn't really matter when I'm having it a great time.
Speaker 1: So thank you doctors, thank you physicians, thank you people
Speaker 1: in the lab, scientists, et cetera. Thank you to everyone
Speaker 1: that's made this possible. Shout out to you desk, all
Speaker 1: of you for prepare your prescription right now. So that
Speaker 1: just happened, So not just stand big pharma. That just
Speaker 1: Matt just talked about sucking. Did anyone else hear that?
Speaker 1: So I guess we're talking about fucking now? So we're
Speaker 1: a sex podcast. Okay, all right, you're welcome. Um, I
Speaker 1: gotta made you all relevant. I guess I'll see myself out. Um, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm nothing else. You know who is a master of
Speaker 1: the meta humor of awkwardness and randomness is Mixtalter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Meg has mastered it. I was also thinking of Patty
Speaker 1: in conversation Patty Harrison. Oh yeah, we'll respond to many
Speaker 1: things as as as fake as eleve eted awkward as
Speaker 1: I would ko awkward. Well, um, well, thank you for
Speaker 1: being here to kick off our third season. It's so
Speaker 1: special to have you guys on our first app. It
Speaker 1: really means a lot. That really isn't That really is
Speaker 1: an honor And I just want to say for us
Speaker 1: as well, And can I just say congratulations on what
Speaker 1: I know is a big deal. It's a big deal.
Speaker 1: About you sign and I just want to say I'll
Speaker 1: always remember us this way. Oh you got when you
Speaker 1: lock at meum and the whole let not sing us off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean okay, Matt, you can sing ways. Remember it's
Speaker 1: a way, good night, bye egg brown gay. That'll happen
Speaker 1: back back back baa baa food bas