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Speaker 1: This is the Bloomberg Business of Sports show, where we

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Speaker 1: explore the big money issues in the world of sports.

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Speaker 1: I'm Scarlett Foe and I'm Damian Tassa Michael barr is Off.

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Speaker 1: We have a great guest in studios, Austin Johnson. Austin

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Speaker 1: is our colleague because he's a senior byside relationship manager

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Speaker 1: at Bloomberg. But he also has another side to him.

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Speaker 1: He's a basketball analyst for a Big Ten network and

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Speaker 1: the r w J. Barnabas Health Rutgers Sports Network, so

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Speaker 1: he knows quite a bit about men's college basketball. And Damian,

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Speaker 1: I know you are all over My man also played

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Speaker 1: for Rutgers. He's a Scarlett Knight. Here says he's got it.

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Speaker 1: He's got some skin in the game, I would think,

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Speaker 1: or he used to at one point. Right, are you guy?

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Speaker 1: Through and through? You can say? All right? So Austin,

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Speaker 1: tell us what your reaction is, first of all, to

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Speaker 1: the NCAA Men's tournament bracket, you Michigan failing to make

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Speaker 1: it in. Yeah, I mean, I think first and foremost

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Speaker 1: still reeling and a bit of a state of a

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Speaker 1: shock that the Scarlett Knights weren't able to out of

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Speaker 1: the bubble, and all signs seemed as though they were

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Speaker 1: going to be able to get in. And I was

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Speaker 1: out in Chicago lad over the weekend for the Big

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Speaker 1: Ten tournament and they beat Michigan, which is something that

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Speaker 1: is not frequent, second time in program history, and they

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Speaker 1: thought that that would be enough to solidify the resume.

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Speaker 1: They want toe to toe with Purdue, who is a

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Speaker 1: number another number one seed, and I think that that

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Speaker 1: was enough from a body of a work standpoint to

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Speaker 1: that R you should be in. But that's just one

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Speaker 1: case out of many. And I think what will be

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Speaker 1: really exciting this year is there's no clear favor. There's

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Speaker 1: no no one there is that they're absolutely right as

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Speaker 1: the Kansas is a huston with let's just talk. It's

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Speaker 1: not just Ruckers, it's Okay State right UNC. And now,

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Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, UNC is not going to be

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Speaker 1: playing in the NIL Hubert Davis has basically given everyone

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Speaker 1: most about those teams on the bubble now on the

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Speaker 1: outside looking in, that they could have been in. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it's it's honestly splitting hairs when you look

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Speaker 1: at the body of work in the resumes, UM Ultimately

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Speaker 1: what goes into the method of madness or um. It

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Speaker 1: sometimes seems like a big contradiction when it comes down

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Speaker 1: to some teams like Nevada getting in as opposed to

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Speaker 1: a Rutgers not when you look at how many Q

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Speaker 1: do think that ultimately the committee has a very good

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Speaker 1: advantage of the opportunity in previous years, I do think

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Speaker 1: it it can come back to bite you. Um going forward.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that that the committee the committee made

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Speaker 1: Texas A and m A seventy so they could see

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Speaker 1: them play Texas in the second round? Oh, I think

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Speaker 1: there's definitely methods of the madness logistics of it. I

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Speaker 1: I know, right Kansas City, which was something that right

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Speaker 1: Houston gets that path right through the Midwest. Now they

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Speaker 1: don't get that home kind of Well, let me ask

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Speaker 1: We've got We've got Iona, We've got Rick Pettino right

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Speaker 1: To talk to us about all these rumors we're hearing

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Speaker 1: a better or a more ideal media matchup from the

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Speaker 1: And to be fair, this is Yukon men's basketball, not

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Speaker 1: all fans, the commitment and the support that they show

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Speaker 1: regards to student athletes are also being able to leverage

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Speaker 1: their name, image and likeness out there in their individual

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Speaker 1: in respective sports. Austin, you began this conversation by saying,

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Speaker 1: tremendous amount of respect for Kelvin Sampson and what he's

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Speaker 1: But the fact of the matter are they are down

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Speaker 1: them in the Final four. Now, we've seen a number

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Speaker 1: call this year. I mean there's got to be one Furman.

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Speaker 1: then then again, they are playing Duke in the first round, right,

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Speaker 1: Now with nil, as you mentioned, the players themselves have

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Speaker 1: a chance to monetize on their popularity, on their higher profiles.

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Speaker 1: What's a name of a what's a player that you

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Speaker 1: are keeping a close eye on who could really break

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Speaker 1: All in all, in the tournament this year, I love

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Speaker 1: Appreciate the being upfront with your bias. Drew Timmy is

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