Speaker 1: Welcome to the news show. Today. We've got Spencer reporting
Speaker 1: on the most reported on story in the world, the
Speaker 1: old timer who got tossed by a buffalo. And Yellowstone.
Speaker 1: We've got wolves and Yellowstone have left Yellowstone and that's
Speaker 1: got Yellowstone wolf lovers panties in a bunch. The Trump
Speaker 1: administration has made changes to the Endangered Species Act. And
Speaker 1: if you're guessing that it wasn't to make it strong
Speaker 1: and more effective, you're onto something. Colorado's dumb fur band
Speaker 1: has died, but they replaced it with something not quite
Speaker 1: as dumb. Is the perpetuation of daylight savings time good
Speaker 1: or bad for outdoorsmen? How can you make money betting
Speaker 1: on wildfires? And more? But first our news? Yes, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you about our news. That's good. Bill. Listen, you
Speaker 1: want to you like you want to talk about workplace drama, Hm,
Speaker 1: workplace drama. This, this represents tremendous workplace drama.
Speaker 2: I'm not aware.
Speaker 1: Oh the bear grease bib, Yeah, what's the drama. Clay
Speaker 1: fought for years for these BIPs. I think relationships were
Speaker 1: ruined over these BIPs because Clay stuck to his guns.
Speaker 1: He would he would accept nothing less than perfection. If
Speaker 1: you're a bit man, we stand up. You see me
Speaker 1: a good bill?
Speaker 3: Look great? Here you go.
Speaker 2: The important parts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not trying well.
Speaker 4: You can see the main The main part of a
Speaker 4: bib is the top is attached to the bottom.
Speaker 1: Put camera the bear grease bib look zippers like it's
Speaker 1: all in reverse. Come looking at a camera. Zipper side pockets. Okay,
Speaker 1: you can run them like you can run them Southern style.
Speaker 1: We just run around like that. Zip them up, flexible.
Speaker 1: They got chaps running from ankle up. It's the ultimate bib.
Speaker 1: It's the greatest product we've ever made. And and like
Speaker 1: I said, a lot of fighting, a lot of fighting.
Speaker 5: I had some household drama over these. I brought him home.
Speaker 5: And I have a pair of three Xcel car heart
Speaker 5: overalls that I do all my car work in, and
Speaker 5: I brought these huckers home to do that in. And
Speaker 5: my wife said those are too nice to do car working.
Speaker 5: But now I did car work in them.
Speaker 1: But she wants she wants to be her dress bills. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I asked her, like, can I wear these to church?
Speaker 1: She didn't answer. I think that if you had those
Speaker 1: other church, I would say I'd like this man to
Speaker 1: step up to the pulpit. I think he's got something
Speaker 1: that he should share with the congregation.
Speaker 2: Also, you're not a three XL. What are you doing
Speaker 2: with three XL bibs at home?
Speaker 1: Oh? I got this from the third store. They're just
Speaker 1: like a big pair of bibs.
Speaker 4: You do you're working?
Speaker 1: These are?
Speaker 5: I think they run a little bit big because these
Speaker 5: are your original ones.
Speaker 1: I'm running around in a medium, which is right right
Speaker 1: right where I should be for a pair of this
Speaker 1: is a large. I'm six four, big guy two twenty.
Speaker 2: See claylay is telling people on Instagram they run a
Speaker 2: little big. So if you get in your pair, keep
Speaker 2: Clay's words.
Speaker 1: It depends if you like to put them on over
Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff. This is the best listen, This
Speaker 1: is the ultimate deal. This is what I'm live in.
Speaker 1: From now on, I.
Speaker 5: Will say I throw these on, like in the morning,
Speaker 5: I climb a tree and shoot from my saddle before
Speaker 5: work and I just throw these on over my work clothes,
Speaker 5: climb the tree.
Speaker 1: Good to go.
Speaker 4: Because you don't want to get your T shirt dirty.
Speaker 5: Well, I wore a T shirt today, but usually have
Speaker 5: nice pants on. Yeah, dude, people know about my dress
Speaker 5: up games.
Speaker 1: This is some rock These are rocks out bibs. I
Speaker 1: like them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I gotta get me some, Oh, dude, just like durable.
Speaker 1: A lot of fighting. They're available now.
Speaker 4: That's what we want to emphasize above all else.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of fighters, a lot of fighting between.
Speaker 1: It got like, it got emotionally.
Speaker 2: These were built with anger.
Speaker 1: I've got emotion.
Speaker 4: I'm picturing an Instagram ad. Just like Clay fucked these bibs.
Speaker 4: It got emotional. A lot of fighting. And here that
Speaker 4: after after five years of fighting.
Speaker 2: I think it's seven. I thought Clay said twenty.
Speaker 1: Years of fighting, being like not like that, like this.
Speaker 3: For the for the ignorant misspect. Here, what's the difference
Speaker 3: between a bib and an overall?
Speaker 1: I use them interchangeably.
Speaker 4: It's interchangeable.
Speaker 3: I didn't know if there was a practical difference.
Speaker 2: If I had to say a difference, I feel like
Speaker 2: an overall maybe like goes all the way.
Speaker 4: To sleeves cover all.
Speaker 1: That's great product too. My wife's got a lot of
Speaker 1: cute little overalls these days.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the thing. My wife's got a parado overall.
Speaker 4: Overalls are cute.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she's got some real cute She's not running
Speaker 1: around these. She was, she'd probably caught it, she'd do
Speaker 1: something to she'd modelm.
Speaker 6: She's not gonna start working on the truck.
Speaker 1: No, she just runs around being cute in her little overalls.
Speaker 5: Now and then it's only a differentiation between coveralls and
Speaker 5: bib overalls.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can get them now, and you gotta go
Speaker 1: get him, because here's the deal. All that fighting, if
Speaker 1: they bombay is getting so if you got to bring
Speaker 1: peace to the workplace, blow these bibs out of the water,
Speaker 1: get them, love them. Clay wins, I win. Everybody's happy.
Speaker 1: A lot of fighting. Nate's got a hot tip.
Speaker 5: For you or cold tip because I had neuro virus
Speaker 5: this weekend and spend a lot of time in the show.
Speaker 1: Got oh, dude is miserable.
Speaker 5: Not as miserable as when I got it after the
Speaker 5: Mile High Hunting Show and spent an hour and a
Speaker 5: half plane flight in the bathroom.
Speaker 1: But this weekend, you're.
Speaker 2: A two time neuro virus happened.
Speaker 1: I think I've had three times.
Speaker 4: You gotta eat more bad stuff I've had, hold up,
Speaker 4: just strengthen the system.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's probably good point.
Speaker 6: You weren't frequenting taco bell.
Speaker 1: No, not surprising virus, I know, but it could have been.
Speaker 5: No, our whole social group got it, so it pretty
Speaker 5: sure is nora virus. Anyways, I'm a little skeptical of
Speaker 5: western medicine or western medicine curious, and I don't believe
Speaker 5: in the overutilization of the medical system. And so instead
Speaker 5: of going to the doctor when I have stuff like this,
Speaker 5: I just do every hour and a half, I get
Speaker 5: in the shower and sit there for half an hour,
Speaker 5: kind of soak it out hydrotherapy. But eventually, after the
Speaker 5: seventh or eighth shower rotation, the shower gets prett uncomfortable.
Speaker 5: So I thought to myself, what could I put in
Speaker 5: here to make the shower more comfortable? And lo and behold,
Speaker 5: I had a sleeping pad. So I blew that sucker up,
Speaker 5: threw it in there, and you made my eighth, ninth,
Speaker 5: and tenth shower of the evening far more enjoyable.
Speaker 1: Do you measuree that you're sort of washing away the sickness?
Speaker 5: I don't know if it's this I'm washing it away
Speaker 5: or I'm steaming it out.
Speaker 4: What I'm concerned about whenever I think of air mattress
Speaker 4: is I think of all the crevices, you know, like
Speaker 4: there's crevices in there. To me, that would be ripe.
Speaker 4: For say, if some duke got in there, there's not
Speaker 4: in there shatting.
Speaker 1: Themselves, you'd be surprised.
Speaker 5: So if you find yourself on your seventh or eighth
Speaker 5: shower rotation of the evening, uh, blow up your sleeping
Speaker 5: pad and sit on that sucker.
Speaker 4: Get a shower stool available at a common drug store.
Speaker 1: I like that idea. It's at dude. I don't take baths,
Speaker 1: but if I did, I'd say this is not comfortable.
Speaker 2: The CDC says norm virus is very contagious. What are
Speaker 2: you doing here, Nate?
Speaker 1: I stayed home yesterday.
Speaker 5: I was clear on Sunday and I stayed home yesterday.
Speaker 1: I'd also just love the game I got. I got
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Speaker 1: It's not like press one two. Okay, we're gonna do
Speaker 1: we gotta we gotta do some crashes. But the audience
Speaker 1: has a love hate relationship with corrections. Some people love them,
Speaker 1: some people hate them. We're gonna try to shorten it up.
Speaker 1: So we brought in a thing to time it.
Speaker 5: What's the winner get nothing right now? We're just we're
Speaker 5: just rounding up corrections.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, you're not gonna win nothing right now
Speaker 1: a long time ago. Guy made us this interest O meter.
Speaker 1: Can you put this? Can you put he put my
Speaker 1: shot on the screen.
Speaker 4: H get the Diary of Sleeping Pad off the Okay.
Speaker 1: A guy made us this interest on meeting. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: you go. I'm gonna walk through some corrections very quickly.
Speaker 4: Okay, this was listener Ryan Thomas, who created the meter.
Speaker 1: Who created the meter?
Speaker 2: Than you got three red dots, yellow and three green,
Speaker 2: So seven levels of interest.
Speaker 5: And the way this machine functions is we all have
Speaker 5: a terminal with a dial and it averages those lights
Speaker 5: average our interest in said topic. And so Steve will
Speaker 5: spend about a minute covering a correction, and we'll all
Speaker 5: weigh in with our dial on how inch should we
Speaker 5: are in the top one wins.
Speaker 1: Guy named Troyer writes in a couple of weeks back,
Speaker 1: you guys mentioned new shirts with tr on him. Love
Speaker 1: the idea, but you guys called him Teddy, and that
Speaker 1: would have made the man bristle. He did not appreciate
Speaker 1: the nickname. Well, there are reports that in political sphere
Speaker 1: he did not mind if a stranger called him that.
Speaker 1: As supporters of the man, I personally use tr or
Speaker 1: Theodore proper as it has been said that he never
Speaker 1: permitted himself to be called teddy.
Speaker 3: All right, they're turning their dials.
Speaker 1: I'm moderately interested in that.
Speaker 6: I'm not turning mine.
Speaker 3: Now, Okay, who's this guy?
Speaker 1: The venison? The guy? This is something dude from the UK.
Speaker 1: What's his name? I can't remember his name. Let me
Speaker 1: start by expressing this is about Yanni's report on Wimbledon,
Speaker 1: the tennis contests, serving venison to lower their carbon footprint,
Speaker 1: dropping beef, picking up venison, which we covered, Feller says,
Speaker 1: let me start by expressing my genuine admiration for the
Speaker 1: Meat Eater brand, your team, and everything you do for
Speaker 1: hunting and conservation internationally. The reason I felt it was
Speaker 1: worth writing in that Meat Eater has earned enormous credibility
Speaker 1: with hunters around the world. When you speak about a
Speaker 1: country or a hunting culture, people listen. That is why
Speaker 1: I felt compelled to reach out after listening to your
Speaker 1: recent discussion regarding Wimbledon, venison and the UK landscape. The
Speaker 1: venison served at Wimbledon is sourced from the Royal Parks.
Speaker 1: This is managed park venison, not wild shot deer. While
Speaker 1: quotes in the article note that eating venison helps control
Speaker 1: deer populations, causing ecological destruction. Eating park venison does absolutely
Speaker 1: nothing to reduce Britain's booming wild deer population. Trained hunters
Speaker 1: in the UK are legally permitted to sell wild venison
Speaker 1: directly into the food chain, yet only one major supermarket
Speaker 1: chain regularly stocks genuine wild British venison. Most stock imported
Speaker 1: or farmed venison because of public perception, the market finds
Speaker 1: park or farmed labels more palatable than wild, despite wild
Speaker 1: being the more ethical, sustainable choice.
Speaker 4: That they're now they're now serving wild venison in National
Speaker 4: Health Service hospitals.
Speaker 1: I know, but here's the deal. I was gonna say
Speaker 1: that too, but it ran out of time. Oh, I
Speaker 1: thought that was for you to add it in.
Speaker 4: Well, I thought we could have got I thought we
Speaker 4: could have rid of Interestingly, you have to see genuine
Speaker 4: progress left.
Speaker 1: British vedicine is now even being served in several NHS
Speaker 1: hospitals as part of an initiative to promote sustainable, locally
Speaker 1: sourced knows exactly.
Speaker 6: The kind of So now my interest has fallen because
Speaker 6: it went on too long.
Speaker 7: But I know if it were me, I would have
Speaker 7: cut out all this stuff about how not you his
Speaker 7: genuine admiration for the brand, and I like that enormous credibility.
Speaker 1: Favorite part.
Speaker 6: All right, we were at a five out of seven,
Speaker 6: then Brody brought it down to a four and he's
Speaker 6: still in the in the lead.
Speaker 2: Here he achieved yellow.
Speaker 1: We covered a piece where in Alabama h O and
Speaker 1: Alabama brought in the Feds to kill the bunch of
Speaker 1: geese that were bugging them, and we're like, what I
Speaker 1: was saying, I was saying, just don't start the time again.
Speaker 1: This is background. I was saying, it seems a little
Speaker 1: severe to call in the FEDS to kill some geese.
Speaker 1: There's gotta be another way. That's just my comment as
Speaker 1: a guy that doesn't know anything about this HOA guy
Speaker 1: writes in he wants to remain anonymous. I am a
Speaker 1: wildlife biologist with USDA's Wildlife Services. I would like to
Speaker 1: add some insight on the HOA geese issue. First, some
Speaker 1: information was left out of the podcast segment, including previously
Speaker 1: used non lethal harassment and the severity of their situation.
Speaker 1: According to Heritage Plantation, they have invested over twenty five
Speaker 1: thousand dollars using coyote decoys lasers, shoreline fencing, and the
Speaker 1: introduction of swans. For over ten years, they have been
Speaker 1: conducting egg oiling. This blocks the egg pores, preventing oxygen,
Speaker 1: installing embryo growth. In addition, they were also denied by
Speaker 1: the City of Madison to use trained dogs, so they
Speaker 1: tried a lot. Over the past year, sixteen geese and
Speaker 1: seventy five percent of the swans have died from illness,
Speaker 1: and one hundred percent of the carcasses tested positive for
Speaker 1: avian influenza who. One important thing to note here is
Speaker 1: that they most likely they were dealing with a resident population.
Speaker 1: This means they remained there year round. These situations are
Speaker 1: very common in urban and suburban areas. In fact, in
Speaker 1: places that I have worked on goose issues are conveniently
Speaker 1: also where the DNR chooses to band geese. Every single
Speaker 1: banded goose I have lethally removed were banded and the
Speaker 1: exact place I shot them, with examples of some birds
Speaker 1: being banded almost ten years ago in the same spot.
Speaker 1: This is all to say it is extremely hard to
Speaker 1: harass resident geese, and it seems to me that they
Speaker 1: have exhausted almost every other method besides installing a wire
Speaker 1: grid across the pond. Here's just gets interesting as to
Speaker 1: the method of lethal removal. Roundups are just the most
Speaker 1: efficient way. They're conducted during the summer molt. For euthanasia,
Speaker 1: most programs utilize CO two gas chambers. Takes about ten
Speaker 1: to twenty seconds to kill a goose. I saw a
Speaker 1: comment saying that geese can hold their breath for forty
Speaker 1: five seconds, but that doesn't matter because CO two is older. Listen,
Speaker 1: they don't know to hold their breath. They hold their breath.
Speaker 1: I got a bad feeling.
Speaker 5: Guys, one, two, three, we're out.
Speaker 1: We're a A.
Speaker 3: We're a six out of seven. There for the interest.
Speaker 4: Also, I just jammed it up.
Speaker 1: I forgot my Minnesota wolve. Nate reviewed compensation programs for
Speaker 1: wolf killed livestock. My hearing aid equipped ears perked up
Speaker 1: when Nate said wolf advocates were the original source of
Speaker 1: Wisconsin's wolf composition funding. Here's where it gets tricky. When
Speaker 1: wolves are being managed by the state DNR Department of
Speaker 1: Natural Resources through hunting and trapping. State law requires wolf
Speaker 1: depredation payments come from wolf hunting, trapping licenses and license
Speaker 1: application fees. However, when wolves are being protected under the
Speaker 1: Federal Endangered Species Act. The money for wolf depredation payments
Speaker 1: comes from Wisconsin's Bureau of Natural Heritage and Conservation. So
Speaker 1: if you're allowed to hunt and trap them, hunters pay depredation.
Speaker 1: If you're not, it comes out of a totally different fund. Man.
Speaker 6: That's a nice tight correction there.
Speaker 1: Pat closes with this thought. Pat has often said deer
Speaker 1: make people stupid. He elaborated on that. Elaborated on that
Speaker 1: deer make people stupid, wolves make people mad, Turkeys make
Speaker 1: people happy. That sucker up. Lastly, this is the final
Speaker 1: final mention on whether it is okay to refer to
Speaker 1: weed smokers as dope smokers.
Speaker 2: I'm pad achieved yellow there.
Speaker 1: So you got.
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, you got okay.
Speaker 1: Last one light green. Last one the most important one.
Speaker 1: I'm writing into defend Steve and correct the angry dope
Speaker 1: smokers about the use of the term dope smoker. First,
Speaker 1: I want to establish my bona fides. Listen carefully. This
Speaker 1: is the most this is the most credentialed dope smoker
Speaker 1: in the world. I want to establish my bona fides.
Speaker 1: I lived my entire life in the foothills of northern
Speaker 1: California and was a self proclaimed stoner. Through most of
Speaker 1: my twenties and thirties. I spent many croptobers as a trimmer,
Speaker 1: getting paid in wait for my services. In addition, after
Speaker 1: recreational cannabis use was legalized in California, I was the
Speaker 1: director of product development for two of the largest and
Speaker 1: most well known cannabis brands in the state. My job
Speaker 1: there was to select the best weed, build supply chains
Speaker 1: for manufactured products like oils, vapes, and edibles, and then
Speaker 1: bring those products to market.
Speaker 6: That's I bention that guy had a subscription to High Times.
Speaker 1: Now onto the topic at hand. Is the term dope
Speaker 1: smoker acceptable? The answer is yes. Perhaps the best supporting
Speaker 1: evidence for this comes from the band's Sleep, who are
Speaker 1: of the undisputed creators of stoner rock genre. In nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety eight, Sleep released the album Dope Smoker, which I
Speaker 1: listened to you cup. Just a quick intro to Dope Smoker.
Speaker 3: Was I did I get right here?
Speaker 1: Let me know what You're ready?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, give me a sick.
Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety eight, Sleep released album Dope Smoker, which
Speaker 1: contains only one song title Dope Smoker. That'd be an
Speaker 1: ep The song is a sixty three minute epic tale
Speaker 1: about a pilgrimage made by weed priests known as Weedians,
Speaker 1: across the mystical desert. The purpose of their pilgrimage to
Speaker 1: cast seed of Eden onto the nurtured desert soil of Zion,
Speaker 1: creating a permanent, spiritually elevated sanctuary dedicated to continuous cultivation
Speaker 1: and smoking. He's losing me.
Speaker 4: This is great now.
Speaker 1: The band spent four years writing and recording the song.
Speaker 1: Here's how it starts. I was hooked. That's good, Phil,
Speaker 1: Okay great. They spent four years writing and recording the
Speaker 1: song album. Both the title and content of Dope Smoker
Speaker 1: were so important to Sleep that when they're label London
Speaker 1: Records threatened to drop them over it. In nineteen ninety six,
Speaker 1: The band went to court lost, then leaked the album
Speaker 1: themselves two years later.
Speaker 3: That's great.
Speaker 1: He goes on to say, I dare any offended dope
Speaker 1: smoker out there writing into the media to podcast to
Speaker 1: tell the members of Sleep that the word which caused
Speaker 1: them to fight a year's long legal battle with London Records,
Speaker 1: effectively bankrupting them and then causing them to break up
Speaker 1: for fifteen years is somehow a pejorative. Keep up the
Speaker 1: good work into all the dope smoking hunters and angers
Speaker 1: out there, stay high. I was right.
Speaker 2: He achieved a five and a half on our scale,
Speaker 2: flickering on six.
Speaker 1: So who won the man?
Speaker 6: I think that is a sixth though, isn't it?
Speaker 4: Is it just a bad No?
Speaker 5: It's like flickering, you know for someone who just gave
Speaker 5: him a little bit.
Speaker 1: Engineers got he's got. We got a couple of mods. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: before we go back to prize given, we got a
Speaker 1: couple of mods. Buffalo flips. Old man onto the news,
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 2: A viral video from July tenth showed an old man
Speaker 2: getting thrown what's been said, eight feet.
Speaker 1: In the air.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I believe he was.
Speaker 2: Yes, he looked like a dope smoking man who could
Speaker 2: use some bear grease bibs. I would say, throw, yes, yep,
Speaker 2: uh thrown eight feet in the air by a bison Yellowstone.
Speaker 2: It was sixty five year old Carl McDaniels from a
Speaker 2: small town north of Seattle. He was in the park
Speaker 2: with his grandson, and the two were on a walk
Speaker 2: at a campground near Yellowstone Lake when they spotted a
Speaker 2: running bison who was putting on a show. The bison
Speaker 2: rutt goes from June to September, so they're kind of
Speaker 2: peak that time period. Carl and his grandson U lingered
Speaker 2: for a second to take some pictures, and then the
Speaker 2: attack happened. Play the video Phil.
Speaker 4: For audio listeners. There's two individuals mm.
Speaker 1: Hmm, yeah, the old timers running one of those beards
Speaker 1: that goes down and he's running one of those beards
Speaker 1: it goes down to your nipples.
Speaker 5: And he's got suspenders and jeans.
Speaker 2: And a grandson who's wearing a Miami Dolphins. Ryan fitzpatri
Speaker 2: to Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jersey bison is wallowing. He's now on
Speaker 2: his feet. This white pickup, it was later said it
Speaker 2: was trying to haze the bison, didn't work.
Speaker 1: The pickup honked the very poor operation.
Speaker 2: They said that the pickup honked at the bison and
Speaker 2: maybe that's like what got thordison on its feet. Actually,
Speaker 2: so it was doing the opposite of what it intended.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: The the bison and the man are playing ring a
Speaker 2: on the rosie with some trees and then this is
Speaker 2: where the attack happens.
Speaker 1: Oh oh god.
Speaker 2: Quite a video man captured by a photographer who was
Speaker 2: at the campground at that point. Can you imagine if
Speaker 2: he didn't if they like, wasn't a dude with a
Speaker 2: really high powered camera, like?
Speaker 6: Did the bison just walk off after that?
Speaker 2: Immediately after the attack, some good samaritans, including the cameraman
Speaker 2: who stopped filming, They hazed the bison until it moved
Speaker 2: away from Carl, and because they were in a popular area,
Speaker 2: emergency vehicles got there within ten minutes. The man is hurt,
Speaker 2: but okay. His femur was broken in four places near
Speaker 2: his hip. The accident happened on a Friday. He had
Speaker 2: surgery on Sunday right here in Bozeman, and he was
Speaker 2: standing again on Monday. Carl said it wasn't the bison
Speaker 2: that hurt him. It was the ground sure, So it
Speaker 2: wasn't the impact from the bison. It was coming down
Speaker 2: that caused that broken femur. Now, the National Park Service
Speaker 2: says you need to stay twenty five yards away from bison.
Speaker 2: Is on their website, It's in all their re materials.
Speaker 2: They also say one hundred yards away from bears, wolves,
Speaker 2: and mountain lions. Carl estimated that he and his grandson
Speaker 2: were one hundred yards away from that bison, so they
Speaker 2: were bear distance four x what the National Park Service says. Normally,
Speaker 2: when these things happen, the reaction from the general public
Speaker 2: is like, Wow, what an idiot. You know, he sure
Speaker 2: deserved that. Go team Bison, you know, get those more
Speaker 2: on tourists. That hasn't been the case here. And when
Speaker 2: I watched that video, I don't have that reaction either,
Speaker 2: Like the dude seemed like he was just in the
Speaker 2: wrong place at the wrong time, and he didn't linger
Speaker 2: too long. And the way that video begins, you're watching
Speaker 2: the kind of encounter that happens in Yellowstone thousands of
Speaker 2: times a year, where someone's just like watching a bison
Speaker 2: from what would be considered a safe distance, and usually
Speaker 2: it doesn't happen like this where the bison actually attacks him.
Speaker 2: Do you guys feel the same way? Did you see
Speaker 2: something different?
Speaker 1: No? But I never, like, I never think that the
Speaker 1: person was dumb for even creeping up on stuff.
Speaker 6: Pettingam.
Speaker 1: Listen, I'm like, guy, you know, I like to get
Speaker 1: in there. I've never think you, guys, you never try
Speaker 1: to sneak closer to something.
Speaker 6: Of course I have, but I'm not gonna try and pet,
Speaker 6: but I think what Spencer's getting now is true.
Speaker 1: Like this guy, no, he didn't have I'm not mad
Speaker 1: at him, and I never do that. I never do that.
Speaker 1: I never do that thing like Oh, what a dummy.
Speaker 2: But that's like eighty percent of the online reaction normally
Speaker 2: when when this happened, normally people are like, boy, dude
Speaker 2: had it coming.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I feel like the reaction to this one is very
Speaker 4: different than what you usually see.
Speaker 6: That thing was gonna get him no matter what. It
Speaker 6: went through those trees. Yeah, and that old guy's pretty spry.
Speaker 1: He was.
Speaker 2: There was multiple moments where I'd have been like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm safe now, like the thing is over, and then
Speaker 2: the bison like keeps going after him.
Speaker 5: That dude was hitting the Nazis zombie moves.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. No, are you gonna
Speaker 1: add anything to this that Ida.
Speaker 2: Had to take.
Speaker 4: Oh, I was just gonna say, Like he starts out
Speaker 4: what looks to be a very safe, conservative distance from
Speaker 4: the bison, that truck goes through, blows its horn. They
Speaker 4: start moving off as soon as the bison starts moving
Speaker 4: towards them, Like, I don't know that there's anything in
Speaker 4: there that I'd second guess. And then the other thing too,
Speaker 4: is like you never really see the grandson get away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you sort of get.
Speaker 4: The sense like he when the grandfather comes around the trees,
Speaker 4: he kind of stays there and does the cat and
Speaker 4: mouse thing with it, and I kind of wonder if
Speaker 4: he's like trying to distract the bison.
Speaker 2: The grandfather said that was the case. He told his
Speaker 2: son to run to her grandson to run to the amphitheater,
Speaker 2: and that he was going to try to distract him.
Speaker 6: So he just ran. We couldn't see him.
Speaker 2: Yes, the distraction worked a little too well though, as
Speaker 2: we saw in the video. No, of course Carlson.
Speaker 1: Gett a hundred yard vibes off that.
Speaker 2: I didn't think so either, But that was what the
Speaker 2: quote said. Is distance Now.
Speaker 1: The guy the hazer, Yeah, then the hate's finally about this.
Speaker 1: The dude who suppose he hates it from a truck
Speaker 1: even though he's in a truck. He gets scared. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he got out of it, runs away in his truck.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like right here, right here, you can see he's
Speaker 4: like trying, you know, he's trying to distract the bison.
Speaker 1: I think, Oh, look at that. That's a bad that's
Speaker 1: a bad ASSCT Again.
Speaker 2: Multiple times, I'd be like, Oh, it's I'm safe. You know,
Speaker 2: I've evaded the bison.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I want to draw that bon I want to
Speaker 6: draw that bison tag and get that one.
Speaker 1: I don't know him. Here's something I don't know. Okay.
Speaker 2: Of course Carl survived, but I went to one of
Speaker 2: my favorite books, Death in Yellowstone, to try to put
Speaker 2: the attack in perspective. There have been two bison related
Speaker 2: deaths in Yellowstone. The first was from July twelfth, nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy one, almost fifty five years ago to the day
Speaker 2: when Carl was attacked. That's when Marvin Schrader, a thirty
Speaker 2: year old from Spokane, Washington, was at the Fountain Paint
Speaker 2: Pots with his wife and three kids. Marvin wanted to
Speaker 2: get a picture of a solitary bison that was loafed
Speaker 2: in a meadow. Marvin got to within twenty feet of
Speaker 2: the bison when it got up and charged him. The
Speaker 2: bison's horn pierced the man's liver just before it lost
Speaker 2: him twelve feet in the air. Marvin's family watched him
Speaker 2: groaning on the ground for a few minutes until he died.
Speaker 1: You're doing fatalities.
Speaker 2: Fatalities too, ever, guessed much higher, much higher fatalities. So
Speaker 2: that was nineteen seventy one. The second fatal bison attack
Speaker 2: happened twelve years later in Hayden Valley. Again, it involved
Speaker 2: a solitary bison during the rut. It was July thirty first,
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty three. Twenty one year old French visitor Alaine
Speaker 2: Dumont wanted his picture taken with a bison. He got
Speaker 2: to six feet away when the bison turned and gored him,
Speaker 2: throwing him ten feet in the air. Dumont's injuries included
Speaker 2: a punctured kidney, punctured stomach, torn colon, damaged spleen, and
Speaker 2: four broken ribs. Dumont survived long enough to see a doctor,
Speaker 2: but later died from an infection because of the ruptured spleen.
Speaker 2: So those are the two fatal.
Speaker 1: Spleen is mine hurts now?
Speaker 2: Now all three of those events share some similarities. It
Speaker 2: was a singular bull bison during the rut, which again
Speaker 2: is happening right now, specifically in July. Each victim was
Speaker 2: either taking a picture or getting their picture taken with
Speaker 2: the bison, including modern day Carl. And my last thought
Speaker 2: is this book made me aware of something that I
Speaker 2: hadn't really considered before, and it's that humans have always
Speaker 2: been stupid. I think there's maybe like this shared thought
Speaker 2: among people today that we're like more disconnected from nature
Speaker 2: and our cell phones are making us dumber and common
Speaker 2: sense isn't common anymore, and I think people maybe carry
Speaker 2: some even guilt about just like how dumb the modern
Speaker 2: man is. This book will make you realize that people
Speaker 2: have been doing dumb things and dying in spectacular ways, but.
Speaker 1: They're not doing one hundred and fifty years, who's not
Speaker 1: all kinds of hot buffalo hide hunters got killed. It's
Speaker 1: like the world's like a slightly dangerous place.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you this book. If you read, if you
Speaker 2: look at this book and look at all the deaths
Speaker 2: that have happened in Yellowstone over the last one hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty years, your takeaway will be like, oh, man,
Speaker 2: people have always been stupid. People are always trying to
Speaker 2: like take a cool picture, or impress a girl, or
Speaker 2: win a bet, or you know, like ignore bad weather,
Speaker 2: ignore an animal's behavior that's been happening for the last
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty years, for as long as people
Speaker 2: have been recording this stuff. And I feel like we
Speaker 2: just kind of assigned that to folks in twenty twenty six, like,
Speaker 2: look at how stupid we are collectively. This book will
Speaker 2: tell you otherwise, we have always been stupid, and it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe our species has a chance. Here's the
Speaker 2: best evidence of this whole thing. In the nineteen eighties,
Speaker 2: Yellowstone averaged six bison related injuries per year. In nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty three alone, there were eleven injuries. Today it's less
Speaker 2: than two a year, despite there being literally twice as
Speaker 2: many bison in the park and twice as many visitors.
Speaker 2: So we've we've cut we've cut down injuries because they've
Speaker 2: they they they control, they control people's freedoms. I don't
Speaker 2: think so.
Speaker 1: I think they're better rules.
Speaker 2: They're just better at telling people like, hey, don't get
Speaker 2: to six feet from a bike people's freedoms.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Americans are a trigger happy lot. We like to
Speaker 1: get in there, We want to mix things up, and
Speaker 1: they make it like you can't mix anything up in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they should engrave that on that.
Speaker 6: I knew Spencer was headed for troubled waters on this one.
Speaker 6: When I found out that the View also covered this story, Oh.
Speaker 1: Dude, my wife pointed out this story to me, and
Speaker 1: we don't like, we don't traffic in the same news source.
Speaker 2: They didn't talk about the two bison fatalities though, And again,
Speaker 2: humans have always been dumb. Humans have always been doing
Speaker 2: stupid things in dangerous places.
Speaker 1: I'm just very slow to condemn someone for having to
Speaker 1: mix up with wild animals.
Speaker 2: Like specifically the thing when it comes to taking the
Speaker 2: best picture, like taking a selfie that has been going
Speaker 2: on for as long as cameras have existed. There are
Speaker 2: so many deaths in this book because someone is trying
Speaker 2: to get the right picture.
Speaker 5: I feel like your book might have the opposite of
Speaker 5: survivorship bias. You're only going to highlight the things that
Speaker 5: went crazy bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's why it's fascinating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you made a whole uh normal everyday things
Speaker 1: going normally.
Speaker 2: It's sad because every character that gets introduced in this book,
Speaker 2: you're like, well, I know how this ends, so they're
Speaker 2: gonna die.
Speaker 1: I got a book about hunters dying called Dying to
Speaker 1: Hunt Montana m It's you can't it's it's too painful.
Speaker 1: The gunshot section, it's it's it's just like the writer's
Speaker 1: too good, sparse. You cannot read it. You cannot read it.
Speaker 1: The amount of people jumping, crawling under fences, going over fences.
Speaker 1: And I don't read it being like dummy, dummy. I
Speaker 1: read it like dude, world's slightly dangerous place. But you
Speaker 1: still gotta get out there and mix it up.
Speaker 6: Hmm.
Speaker 1: Randall, you're gonna do the changes to the ESSA. But
Speaker 1: should I start with the World's most misleading headline or
Speaker 1: do you want to end with that?
Speaker 4: Let's start with it, Okay, Phil, I said this. Did
Speaker 4: you see that email?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been Yeah, this is big news. We're a
Speaker 1: little just because of our recording schedule, we're a little
Speaker 1: late to the game and talking about this, but it's
Speaker 1: not going anyway anyway. Randall's gonna lay out some changes
Speaker 1: the Trump administration made to the Endangered Species Act. But
Speaker 1: in amongst all the reporting, those great wildlife reporters at
Speaker 1: the Washington Post run an article about these changes, and
Speaker 1: you see a couple of manatees floating there, humanatees hanging out,
Speaker 1: and it says Trump administration allows killing of species threatened
Speaker 1: with extinction, which one might reasonably assume. Good, lord, they're
Speaker 1: hunting manatees.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we were sharpening our harpoons.
Speaker 1: I was already on the road, yeah, headed to Florida
Speaker 1: when I realized that this was a very misleading photo.
Speaker 1: But in all seriousness, like I said up top, if
Speaker 1: you're guessing that they want to make the endangered species
Speaker 1: egg not as effective, you're correct. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And this is one of those cases where there's a
Speaker 4: headline and you think, God, this is this seems ridiculous.
Speaker 4: Surely it's not a big deal. The headline is both wrong,
Speaker 4: but this is also a big deal.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They just wanted to find a way to take
Speaker 1: something that was very wonky, yeah and hard to understand
Speaker 1: and make people click on it by making the impression
Speaker 1: that it's now okay that Trump is saying you can
Speaker 1: hunt manatees.
Speaker 2: Right, And it worked because that screenshot, the hyperlink was purple.
Speaker 2: So somebody clicked on that and read I don't know
Speaker 2: who that came to.
Speaker 1: That came from me. I clicked right away. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I clicked knowing it was dumb, but I still clicked it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was I clicked on it just to make
Speaker 4: sure I got my tag application in on time. So
Speaker 4: the Force, I'm sorry, the Fish and Wildlife Service and Noah.
Speaker 4: So the Department of Interior and the Department of Commerce
Speaker 4: issued a rule on July fourteenth, and the rule is
Speaker 4: called rescinding the definition of harm under the Endangered Species Act.
Speaker 4: The Endangered Species Act, at the most fundamental level, makes
Speaker 4: it illegal for anyone to take. And these are when
Speaker 4: I when I say the word with that emphasis, that's
Speaker 4: from the law to take endangered species without authorization from
Speaker 4: the government. And in section three nineteen, the term take
Speaker 4: means to harass, harm, pursue, hunt, shoot, wound, killed, trap, capture,
Speaker 4: or collect or attempt to engage in any such conduct.
Speaker 4: So the word take is defined by ten different terms.
Speaker 4: And so this, as I said before, in the rule,
Speaker 4: they're rescinding. How the word harm under that umbrella of
Speaker 4: take has been commonly understood for the past several decades.
Speaker 4: So harm until this rule change, the operational definition of
Speaker 4: harm included destroying an animal's habitat if destroying that habitat
Speaker 4: or altering it impairs essential behaviors such as breeding. And
Speaker 4: one example that I found in my research from a
Speaker 4: I believe is an article in Vox. I can't recall
Speaker 4: exactly where, but building a hotel on top of a
Speaker 4: beach where sea turtle's nest, right like, because that is
Speaker 4: going to impair the ability of species to recover. That
Speaker 4: is considered take under the Endangered Species Act.
Speaker 1: In this.
Speaker 4: In this rule change, the administration does not offer a
Speaker 4: new definition, but it refers to a descent made by
Speaker 4: Justice former Justice Scalia. The late Justice Scalia in a
Speaker 4: case known as Babbitt v. Sweet Home that also had
Speaker 4: to do with the Endangered Species Act and habitat, and
Speaker 4: in his descent, Scalia said that essentially everybody knows what
Speaker 4: take means. It means when you deliberately go out and
Speaker 4: kill an animal, and so there's no way that you
Speaker 4: could understand take to include destroying that animal's habitat.
Speaker 6: By descent, you mean he was on the losing end
Speaker 6: of a decision.
Speaker 4: That's exactly right. So so in that case, Scalia was not.
Speaker 4: The court actually ruled that conserving habitat or I should say,
Speaker 4: destroying habitat, falls under the definition of takes. Scalia disagreed
Speaker 4: with the majority, But the administration is going back and
Speaker 4: using his words to argue that, in fact, destroying habitat
Speaker 4: in a way that will harm the species does not
Speaker 4: constitute take. Now, the way that this works, essentially is
Speaker 4: there was a change two years ago in the way
Speaker 4: that administrative rulemaking works, like when Congress passes a law
Speaker 4: saying you can't take an endangered species and then gives
Speaker 4: you ten words. Traditionally, historically, the agency themself has been
Speaker 4: able to define what harm means, right, and as long
Speaker 4: as the Court found that their definition was reasonable, then
Speaker 4: the agency could use that definition. Two years ago, the
Speaker 4: court repealed that was called the Chevron doctrine, or is
Speaker 4: up to the agencies to find reasonable understanding of the law.
Speaker 4: After the Chevron doctrine was overturned by the court, Now
Speaker 4: the Court has sort of claimed the power to interpret
Speaker 4: the best meaning of these laws. So essentially what's going
Speaker 4: to happen in September is that harm the word harm
Speaker 4: will no longer explicitly include actions that will destroy habitat.
Speaker 4: You could build a hotel in that example. You could
Speaker 4: build that hotel on the beach where the sea turtles nest.
Speaker 4: And as long as you're not intentionally killing individual sea
Speaker 4: turtles or their eggs, you're fine.
Speaker 6: Shut down a logging operation because they're spotted owls around.
Speaker 4: That's exactly right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so.
Speaker 5: You'd have to drop a tree on a spotted owl.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the part, that's the part. And again the Administration
Speaker 4: is quoting Scalia's understanding of the word harm, and what
Speaker 4: Scalia says is that it has to be an affirmative
Speaker 4: act directed immediately and intentionally against a particular animal. It's
Speaker 4: not an act or omission that indirectly or accidentally causes
Speaker 4: injuries to a population of animals. So this sort of
Speaker 4: fundamentally undermines the purpose of the Endangered Species Act. And
Speaker 4: what's interesting too, is that it's clear that Congress intended
Speaker 4: the Endangered Species Act to cover those habitats. In the
Speaker 4: Endangered Species Act itself, it talks about conserving the habitats
Speaker 4: that species need to survive. It says the purpose this
Speaker 4: is from the law itself. The purposes of this Act
Speaker 4: are to provide a means whereby the ecosystems upon which
Speaker 4: endangered species and threatened species depend may be conserved. So,
Speaker 4: in short, the Administration is saying that harm doesn't encompass
Speaker 4: those habitats, even though Congress specifically calls out habitats. And
Speaker 4: then the law also has provisions to permit incidental take,
Speaker 4: like if you're going to do a project that would
Speaker 4: harm habitat that's needed by an endangered species, you can
Speaker 4: work with the government to offset whatever incidental take you
Speaker 4: might have. But because harm is no longer going to
Speaker 4: encompass that, it's unclear what will happen with those types
Speaker 4: of projects, Like if incidental take or or habitat destruction
Speaker 4: is not considered harm, it's very unclear like how that
Speaker 4: will move forward. And this is probably going to long
Speaker 4: story short, this is probably going to end up in
Speaker 4: the Supreme Court. They're basically the administration has basically said
Speaker 4: harm under the Endangered Species Act no longer no longer
Speaker 4: encompasses destruction of these habitats, and so like, it really
Speaker 4: removes a big chunk of what the Act is supposed
Speaker 4: to do.
Speaker 6: So if it's going to end up in the Supreme
Speaker 6: Court in the meantime, do they get to operate under
Speaker 6: this new definition of harm or.
Speaker 4: Well, there's lawsuits that have already been filed, I believe,
Speaker 4: but I don't know whether the court will issue an
Speaker 4: injunction to stop the administration from putting this rule into effect.
Speaker 4: But as of right now in September, this rule takes
Speaker 4: effect whereby habitat destruction is no longer covered under the
Speaker 4: definition of harm, which is hard to wrap your mind around,
Speaker 4: but that's sort of where we are.
Speaker 1: Man. These guys got a case of the ass against Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's you know, it's one of those things
Speaker 4: like I feel like every every person in our community
Speaker 4: that cares about wildlife and cares about habitat and wild places,
Speaker 4: like we can all acknowledge that the Endangered Species Act
Speaker 4: has been weaponized in some instance. It's like there's ways
Speaker 4: to improve it, right, but to do away with this
Speaker 4: chunk of it, which seems awful important if you want
Speaker 4: these species to survive, Like it's it's kind of taking
Speaker 4: it an act to the whole thing when when I
Speaker 4: think most.
Speaker 6: Well, I don't think it's that the concern is with wildlife. Yeah,
Speaker 6: the concern is with for sure, development and energy extraction
Speaker 6: and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah. It removes a lot of roadblocks to things like
Speaker 4: as you say, development.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are some real significant pain points in the
Speaker 1: Danger Species Act, I mean most the most obvious example
Speaker 1: of that is the way wolves and grizzlies have been
Speaker 1: handled where in the case of grizzlies for decades, you
Speaker 1: have decades where grizzlies have reached recovery status as defined
Speaker 1: when they were listed, but people block the d listing
Speaker 1: because they view it as my favorite Animal Protection Act.
Speaker 1: That sort of thing creates a lot of ill will
Speaker 1: towards the Endangered Species Act, where people just look at
Speaker 1: these ridiculous examples of people weaponizing the ESA. It creates
Speaker 1: all kinds of animosity towards the essay, and then you
Speaker 1: get actions like this. I'm not trying to blame certain
Speaker 1: people for it as well, I'm saying then you get
Speaker 1: people that are like, all right, I'm done with the
Speaker 1: whole damn thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a polarized I mean, it's a legitimately polarizing
Speaker 4: topic because of the way that it's played out in
Speaker 4: contemporary politics, especially like in the West here. But man
Speaker 4: to say that the whole thing is rotten is maybe
Speaker 4: a step too far.
Speaker 1: One point about it, And there's one hundred ways to
Speaker 1: get into this. Yeah, only two percent of the species
Speaker 1: that go on the Endangered Species Act come off because
Speaker 1: of recovery. Two percent things come off because they didn't
Speaker 1: deserve listing in the first place. Things come off because
Speaker 1: they're extinct. Things. Two percent there's some big examples, bald eagles, whatever.
Speaker 1: Two percent come off because it worked. So that's another thing.
Speaker 1: People will look and be like, well it doesn't work anyways.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, I mean it's one of
Speaker 4: those things too. It's just like governance is messy. You
Speaker 4: write a law with the best of intentions, and it
Speaker 4: can be used in any number of ways through litigation
Speaker 4: and all kinds of stuff. To you know, there's tons
Speaker 4: of different perspectives on the ESSA, But like just getting
Speaker 4: rid of harm, including habitat, is wildly sort of like
Speaker 4: a huge like leap in imagination.
Speaker 1: Like let's say, for for some reason, just you already
Speaker 1: made it this point, that's why I double make it.
Speaker 1: Let's say there's a there's a particular cliff face, and
Speaker 1: there's a type of swallow the nests on that cliff face,
Speaker 1: and it's the only place though swallows ever nest. Some
Speaker 1: guy says, I want to blow that cliff face up.
Speaker 1: Historically'd have been like, well, you can't blow that up,
Speaker 1: because that's an endangered swallow. The nests on that cliff
Speaker 1: face now would be like, Okay, wait till all the
Speaker 1: swallows are off, right, then you can blow the cliff
Speaker 1: face up. That way, you're not technically taking any of
Speaker 1: the swallows.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, It's not like the people who crafted this actually
Speaker 6: believe that destroying habitat is not quote harm.
Speaker 1: Like they know they're being cute, right yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So. Uh.
Speaker 2: Something that got my attention was Randall saying that Noah
Speaker 2: is under the Department of Commerce, which I didn't know
Speaker 2: and I never considered where it was rolled up in
Speaker 2: the government. I knew it wasn't DOI, but I googled
Speaker 2: why would it be under Commerce? It was created in
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy, Noah was and the most famous driving reason
Speaker 2: for Noah's placement was a political feud between President Richard
Speaker 2: Nixon and his Secretary of the Interior, Wally Hickel. Following
Speaker 2: the nineteen seventy Kent State shootings, Wally wrote a public
Speaker 2: letter criticizing the Nixon administration, criticizing their handling of the
Speaker 2: Vietnam War demonstrators and urged the president to listen to
Speaker 2: the youth. Furious with Wally's public defiance, Nixon chose to
Speaker 2: punish him by stripping the proposed Oceanic and Atmospheric Agency
Speaker 2: from the DOIS purview. Instead, he had in the agency
Speaker 2: to the Commerce Secretary. Maurice stands a loyal ally. So
Speaker 2: that's how we got to where Noah is under the
Speaker 2: Department of Commerce, which when you hear, you're like, well,
Speaker 2: that seems weird, and there's a reason why it is
Speaker 2: so wed.
Speaker 1: Ten soldiers and Nixons come, we're fun. Oh I could
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 2: I know, Phil can. He just doesn't want to. No,
Speaker 2: I can't.
Speaker 1: That's cool. I don't mean that second. Oh, go on wildfire,
Speaker 1: make money on wildfires.
Speaker 5: No, we're talking about daylight savings time and if it's
Speaker 5: going to become permanent.
Speaker 1: This, this whole thing is so confusing to me. I
Speaker 1: got you.
Speaker 5: We're gonna clear it all up. There's did the farmers
Speaker 5: start it?
Speaker 1: Was it? Ben Franklin? Two hours? One hour? We're gonna
Speaker 1: clear it all up.
Speaker 5: So right now, the House of Representative has passed the
Speaker 5: Sunshine Protection Act, which is not the first time they've
Speaker 5: they've brought this bill up. It's a bill to make
Speaker 5: DST or Daylight Savings Time permanent.
Speaker 1: What does that mean?
Speaker 5: Daylight savings time permanent daylight savings time means one hunter's
Speaker 5: legal shooting shooting light comes at seven oh five am
Speaker 5: and an others at nine to twelve in the same
Speaker 5: time zone, in this case Central time. This gives an
Speaker 5: extra hour of shooting daylight in the afternoon. And so
Speaker 5: the question we're going to examine is the extra afternoon
Speaker 5: light worth it?
Speaker 4: Yes, all right, we got on and I'm already confused.
Speaker 1: I'm already confused, And I hope you're not making the
Speaker 1: mistake of thinking that the numbers we apply to this
Speaker 1: somehow affects how many hours of daylight there are.
Speaker 5: No, It's all relative to work hours. That's what I'm
Speaker 5: talking about, Yes, because we'll get into it.
Speaker 2: When I was in college, this is the one thing
Speaker 2: that got me to write an email to a politician
Speaker 2: was that when the time would change when it does,
Speaker 2: the bars would still stay open un till two am.
Speaker 2: But now the sun's coming up an hour earlier. So
Speaker 2: I'm losing an hour of sleep now every time the
Speaker 2: clocks roll back. So I'm like, we got to get
Speaker 2: this fixed. We need that extra hour in the afternoon
Speaker 2: instead of in the morning, because I'm not going to
Speaker 2: leave the bars early to make it up for shooting light.
Speaker 2: So I'm looking out for those kids.
Speaker 1: The drinkers. Yes, okay, take it away.
Speaker 5: So to answer this question, we're going to go way back.
Speaker 5: What is daylight savings and where to come from? A
Speaker 5: plain definition is that daylight savings time is the practice
Speaker 5: setting our clocks one hour ahead of standard time in
Speaker 5: the warmer months, so a given stretch of daylight lands
Speaker 5: later in the day. We moved the clocks forward one
Speaker 5: hour on the second Sunday in March and back one
Speaker 5: hour on the first Sunday in November. The origins of
Speaker 5: daylight savings time can be traced to Ben Franklin, though
Speaker 5: tenuously as US envoy to France. Ben Franklin published a
Speaker 5: satirical essay that Parisians could save sixty four million pounds
Speaker 5: of candle wax if people just woke up with the sun.
Speaker 5: He did propose firing cannons at dawn, but never proposed
Speaker 5: changing the clocks. Fast forward about one hundred years and
Speaker 5: George Hudson, a New Zealand postal worker and entomologist, proposed
Speaker 5: a two hour shift, primarily so he'd have more daylight
Speaker 5: to collect bugs after work.
Speaker 1: This little thing was ever observed this before with that
Speaker 1: Ben Franklin smart man. Some don't know if families have
Speaker 1: noticed that this.
Speaker 5: Was October to March in the southern hemisphere, but same
Speaker 5: for us its oppos in the northern. He didn't get
Speaker 5: a whole lot of traction until nineteen oh seven, when
Speaker 5: William Willett, an English builder, Royal Astronomical Society fellow and golfer,
Speaker 5: proposed a similar advancement, but in four twenty minute increments
Speaker 5: across the month of April and reversing that in September.
Speaker 5: The stated benefits were more recreation, time less crime, less energy.
Speaker 5: To Spencer's point, people in the past being done this
Speaker 5: is a great example. We hate changing our clocks once.
Speaker 5: This dude proposed changing it four times over a month.
Speaker 5: The first official adoption is nineteen sixteen in Germany, which
Speaker 5: was an effort to conserve coal for the World War
Speaker 5: One war effort. This takes us, Oh yeah, Germany was
Speaker 5: the first one.
Speaker 1: That's how this started, yep. Now grant other plots for
Speaker 1: world domination.
Speaker 5: I mean within months the rest of Europe adopted it
Speaker 5: for the same reason, so there seemed to be some
Speaker 5: merit there.
Speaker 1: Fast forward two years.
Speaker 5: Nineteen eighteen, the US adopts DSD for the same reason,
Speaker 5: but repealed in nineteen nineteen after the war amid public complaint,
Speaker 5: much of it from the agricultural community. I'd always thought
Speaker 5: that the agg community loved daylight savings time, like that
Speaker 5: was the whole point.
Speaker 1: It is not the case. They do not like it.
Speaker 5: Nineteen twenties, DSD becomes optional daylight savings time. There's limited
Speaker 5: local adoptions, pretty patchy throughout the US. There's all sorts
Speaker 5: of issues with trains and trick commerce and whatnot. Nineteen
Speaker 5: forty two, FDR institutes year round wartime, which is year
Speaker 5: round daylight savings for energy saving. In nineteen forty five,
Speaker 5: three years later, wartimes repealed. States and cities set their
Speaker 5: own rules again. It results in this patchwork and confusion
Speaker 5: peaks in nineteen fifty four when, for example, New England
Speaker 5: extends through October while all their states end in September,
Speaker 5: and then some go to November and some do one hour,
Speaker 5: some staggered, and so it's a mess.
Speaker 1: They've delivered that for about.
Speaker 5: Twenty more years, and in nineteen sixty six the Uniform
Speaker 5: Time Act is passed, which standardized DST from the last
Speaker 5: Sunday in eight to the last Saturday in October. That
Speaker 5: said states may exempt themselves, which is how Arizona, Hawaii,
Speaker 5: and portions of Indiana were exempted. You'll also notice when
Speaker 5: we look at these lines, there's a creep the boundaries,
Speaker 5: creep where the western edges push to escape those late sunrises.
Speaker 5: Nineteen seventy four to seventy five, the same thing's enacted
Speaker 5: during the oil embargo. They enact year around DST to
Speaker 5: save energy. There's a ton of public backlash, specifically sighting
Speaker 5: kids going to school in the dark, and within eight
Speaker 5: months they roll it back to the standard six months,
Speaker 5: on again and off again.
Speaker 1: Just be clear here, when they're talking about energy savings,
Speaker 1: they mean that it's an hour less that you'll spend
Speaker 1: dicking around your house at night with the lights on.
Speaker 5: It's the lights on which we'll get into and now
Speaker 5: it seems to be offset by AC and all the
Speaker 5: other things that take energy. Two thousand and five, the
Speaker 5: Energy Policy Act extends DST from the March to October,
Speaker 5: or i'm sorry, from April October to March to November.
Speaker 5: And that's what we have today. And it was mostly
Speaker 5: energy related. The current Sunshine Protection Act introduced in the
Speaker 5: Senate originally in twenty eighteen, then again in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 5: then in twenty twenty two, has been reintroduced again here
Speaker 5: in the House in twenty twenty six and passed and
Speaker 5: sitting with the Senate. So there's this long history of
Speaker 5: daylight savings and the ultimately the main critique is that
Speaker 5: it just needs to be the same across the board,
Speaker 5: whether it's early or late whatever, just the end of
Speaker 5: the session.
Speaker 6: Yeah, why daylight? Why do they want to go with
Speaker 6: permanent daylight savings time versus permanent standard times.
Speaker 5: It's basically a trade off if you want time in
Speaker 5: the morning or time at night.
Speaker 3: And that's the question.
Speaker 1: Daylight in the morning. So they're talking about I'll just
Speaker 1: go take the perspective of the dumb guy out there,
Speaker 1: because that's where I'm at on this. This means you
Speaker 1: don't have to message your clock anymore. The goal is
Speaker 1: to never change the clock. Okay, yep, So just you
Speaker 1: are are you going to adopt the fall time for
Speaker 1: the springtime?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: I don't care.
Speaker 5: Well, it's are you going to adopt the permanent summertime
Speaker 5: or the permanent winter time? Because that's when it changed
Speaker 5: that sixes. To me, I support the sole thing, So
Speaker 5: I think the whole clock change the thing is dumb.
Speaker 1: Agreed. Yeah, so I'll tell you why later.
Speaker 5: Let's let's just clarify terms, because I think we need
Speaker 5: at this point. What we do currently is we switch
Speaker 5: twice a year, spring forward one hour and fall back.
Speaker 3: Everyone hates it.
Speaker 5: There's been permanent standard time, which is what Steve's talking about,
Speaker 5: where we stop switching. We keep the quote unquote natural clock,
Speaker 5: which has lighter mornings and darker evenings and happens to
Speaker 5: be recommended by most sleep scientists and the American Academy's medicine.
Speaker 5: And then what the what Congress is passing is permanent DST,
Speaker 5: which is to lock the clocks one hour ahead forever,
Speaker 5: lighter evenings, darker mornings.
Speaker 4: Well until they changed it again.
Speaker 1: Kids out having fun riding their bikes all summer long
Speaker 1: at night, they need to get up in the morning.
Speaker 4: If I have one take away from your segments so far,
Speaker 4: it's that it won't be forever, It'll be for twenty years.
Speaker 6: There's a common.
Speaker 5: In one of the studies I read, it said it
Speaker 5: took us fifty years to get this standardized. What's next
Speaker 5: so that said states can still opt out, which what
Speaker 5: they if under this rule they have to be in
Speaker 5: the same time zone. There's a few other stipulations. But
Speaker 5: if you really hate this idea, your state can't opt out.
Speaker 1: Would it be the Indianamal's right? All or wrong? Or right?
Speaker 1: Are parts of it? Depends on what you think is important.
Speaker 5: Arizona's Arizona, Hawaii and Hawaii the territories. None of them
Speaker 5: observe it because they're near the equator and it doesn't
Speaker 5: really matter.
Speaker 1: It's just us.
Speaker 5: But it does matter significantly, especially for the groups that
Speaker 5: are at the two corners of the time zones, which
Speaker 5: we're we're going to talk about. The time zones themselves
Speaker 5: are an interesting little tidbit. So where where did these
Speaker 5: come from? Toy the pros and cons? We need to
Speaker 5: have a firm understanding of those time zones themselves, because
Speaker 5: the impact of this proposal is drastically different if you live,
Speaker 5: say in the northeast corner or I'm sorry, the northwest
Speaker 5: corner of North Dakota, which is the top northwest corner
Speaker 5: of the Central time zone, or Panama City, which is
Speaker 5: the far southeast corner of the central time zone. So
Speaker 5: these time zones came originally from the astronomical societies. Basically
Speaker 5: they wanted twenty four worldwide meridians, which is fifteen degrees apart,
Speaker 5: and that would that would collapse all these different railroad
Speaker 5: times into four time zones across the US Eastern Central Mountain,
Speaker 5: Pacific and ever. Every time zone is built around the
Speaker 5: central line of line of longitude where the clock is
Speaker 5: supposed to match. Noon would line up with that meridian perfectly,
Speaker 5: and so that's why it's in the middle of these
Speaker 5: time zones.
Speaker 1: That's great.
Speaker 5: So instead of you know, like when you the time
Speaker 5: zone line that you're basing it off, isn't the split
Speaker 5: in between you know, Alabama and Georgia or wherever you're
Speaker 5: split is it's the center of that Generally, the farther
Speaker 5: east you go from that idian. So in this case,
Speaker 5: let's take the center of the country and you're going
Speaker 5: towards the edge of North Dakota. The the further east
Speaker 5: you go, the earlier the sun runs against your clock mh.
Speaker 5: The farther west you go so towards Florida, the later
Speaker 5: it runs against your clock. To put it simply latitude
Speaker 5: and longitude. Longitude east to west is when the sun
Speaker 5: crosses your clock. Latitude north to south is how long
Speaker 5: the day is. And both of those those get they
Speaker 5: they stack at those corners, the northwest and southeast corners.
Speaker 5: So Phil, if you don't mind pulling up that first
Speaker 5: little slider guy that I've got, what we're gonna look
Speaker 5: at is the two time zones for the for the
Speaker 5: you know, we can choose, well, which time zone do
Speaker 5: you guys want? Central?
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter to me at all.
Speaker 5: Which one Central?
Speaker 1: Central is the largest, So click.
Speaker 5: On Central in this case Wilston, North Dakota, and Panama City, Florida,
Speaker 5: and you'll see in December twenty first you've got a
Speaker 5: nine to forty two am wake up in North Dakota
Speaker 5: versus seven thirty five sunset. Isn't that drastically different? But
Speaker 5: that wake up is crazy. Now if you go back,
Speaker 5: let's let's take it to let's call it November seventh.
Speaker 5: What you're looking at here, and this is how you
Speaker 5: can measure from a hunter's perspective, you'd be eight forty
Speaker 5: nine am under permanent standard daylight savings time, which is
Speaker 5: you can't hunt before work. And I'm only talking weekdays here,
Speaker 5: I'm not talking weekends. You're not gonna hunt before work
Speaker 5: with an eight forty nine am sunrise.
Speaker 2: But I don't think you're hunting before work when it's
Speaker 2: seventh exactly.
Speaker 5: That is my whole point is, I don't think it
Speaker 5: matters because you know, take an hour off this you're
Speaker 5: gonna go if if you sunrise shooting light isn't until
Speaker 5: seven fifteen, you're not gonna get that sit in before
Speaker 5: So I.
Speaker 1: Don't know man's gonna if you work here. People just
Speaker 1: do what they want all the time. Anyway.
Speaker 5: Yeah, now that said after work, you got great options
Speaker 5: six twenty eight sundown, so shooting ends at seven. Dude,
Speaker 5: you can sneak out of work at four, hop up
Speaker 5: in your tree stand.
Speaker 1: And you got two hours to hunt cat. You're a
Speaker 1: dirty secret with you, please. I used to like when
Speaker 1: they switched the clocks for fall bow hunting, because you'd
Speaker 1: get out of school, your old man pick you up
Speaker 1: at school, rush you out to sit in the tree stand,
Speaker 1: and you just got to the magic hour that much
Speaker 1: quicker before it felt like you were up there forever.
Speaker 1: But then all of a sudden, you just rush out
Speaker 1: there and the minute you get in your tree, dude,
Speaker 1: it's the magic hour. I think for I used to
Speaker 1: look forward to it because it shortened how long you
Speaker 1: had to sit in your tree before.
Speaker 6: He saw something I used to get like ninety minutes
Speaker 6: after school where you know, which was perfect.
Speaker 1: You're like, because my be up there for a million hours. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 5: Well I'm sorry for the kiddies, but for the people
Speaker 5: who have nine to fives, I think this is great news.
Speaker 5: So what we're demonstrating here, and you could do it
Speaker 5: across all the time zone you can check winter solstice
Speaker 5: all the things, but you guys get it there. The
Speaker 5: trade off is region regional, especially as you live on
Speaker 5: the far extreams of these time zones, and so so
Speaker 5: why it.
Speaker 1: Matters to everyone?
Speaker 5: There's there's very clearly documented associations with the time change. Specifically,
Speaker 5: there's more car crashers, there's less robberies, there's more heart attacks,
Speaker 5: more strokes, there's mood implications. I could go on, but ultimately,
Speaker 5: what does it mean for us as hunters and for hunters?
Speaker 5: There's a few elements. Energy usage is the first one.
Speaker 5: There's this argument that daylight savings time increases energy efficiency
Speaker 5: because you don't have your lights on as long because
Speaker 5: the sun's up.
Speaker 1: The jury's out.
Speaker 5: It seems that the increased usage of home appliances in
Speaker 5: ac during peak heat hours throughout the year after daylight
Speaker 5: savings would actually offset that because lights have gotten so
Speaker 5: efficient with LED lights and whatnot, as opposed to heating
Speaker 5: up your oven at five o'clock when the sun's still
Speaker 5: shining is going to be significantly more energy draining. And
Speaker 5: so it's kind of a moot point from the rancher impact,
Speaker 5: because we love our ranchers here. The switch is what's annoying.
Speaker 5: It seems like they don't really care which ones which.
Speaker 5: It's just like, choose one schedule. I want the milk
Speaker 5: truck to show up at the same time every day.
Speaker 5: I don't want my cows to have to change twice
Speaker 5: a year for their schedule. Der vehicle collistion and that
Speaker 5: was that was actually a tough one for me to
Speaker 5: wrap my mind around, like why is that time really matter?
Speaker 5: But if you had like a morning routine, like your
Speaker 5: morning poop or something, and then someone said, oh wait,
Speaker 5: actually you need to do that an hour earlier today,
Speaker 5: twice a year it'd be super annoying to adjust all
Speaker 5: your routines and so take up smoke and I feel
Speaker 5: for the cows.
Speaker 1: Yep. Another interesting one is der vehicle collisions.
Speaker 2: This is a big one.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Man, if you're a hunter, you're like, oh, okay, now
Speaker 2: I'm convinced.
Speaker 1: Yep, we're getting even even more dialed.
Speaker 5: So this is a study that covers one over one
Speaker 5: million collisions and ninety six million hourly traffic observations. Collisions
Speaker 5: are fourteen times more frequently two hours after sunset than before,
Speaker 5: which is pretty clear. The fall back shift puts peak
Speaker 5: tracks in the darkness at the time of the rut,
Speaker 5: which also sees more deer injuries year round. DST would
Speaker 5: prevent approximately thirty six and fifty deer deaths, thirty three
Speaker 5: human deaths, twenty fifty four injuries, and one point two
Speaker 5: billion dollars in costs annually. Permanent standard time, which would
Speaker 5: be Not shifting the clocks would make collisions worse at
Speaker 5: two point four billion dollars annually.
Speaker 2: Thirty seven thousand more deer out there walking around if
Speaker 2: we change the clocks, because they're not getting hit by vehicles.
Speaker 1: Save big bucks, Save big bucks, Change good yeah, and
Speaker 1: you have a logo for that with a dollar sign
Speaker 1: and a big buck and then in little letters.
Speaker 4: Say take about the play on words. That's great.
Speaker 5: And so finally, the ultimate question I wanted to answer
Speaker 5: is your hunt scheduled. You have weekends or weekends, but
Speaker 5: on a workday, if you're trying to get in before
Speaker 5: or after, does permanent daylight saving time give you to
Speaker 5: give hunters more hours before or after and to trade off?
Speaker 5: And so Phil, if you can pull up that second slider,
Speaker 5: what we're going to look at is total hunting minutes,
Speaker 5: which I defined as before from thirty minutes prior to
Speaker 5: sunrise up till eight am, and from four to thirty
Speaker 5: pm til thirty minutes after sunrise.
Speaker 1: So this is a workingmand's schedule here. Yeah, there's a
Speaker 1: working man. Yeah exactly.
Speaker 5: Like like I said, weekends or weekends, we're just trying
Speaker 5: to sneak out after tea.
Speaker 1: Your schedule.
Speaker 5: Here you go, and in this case we'll we'll talk
Speaker 5: again North Dakota and Panama City and what we can
Speaker 5: do if you want to slide that towards November. Look
Speaker 5: at that that second though. The blue is your morning
Speaker 5: minutes that's available. The Orange is your afternoon minutes, and
Speaker 5: so that top with the top row itself is standard time.
Speaker 5: The second row is permanent DST or daylight savings, and
Speaker 5: so you end up getting a few more minutes when
Speaker 5: you switch in North Dakota. If you're down in Florida,
Speaker 5: it doesn't really change. But then if you look at
Speaker 5: the full year, so under Williston the second set of bars,
Speaker 5: you end up with significantly more hours of sunrise under
Speaker 5: this system than you do understandard and you can you
Speaker 5: can apply that kind of across and again it's it's
Speaker 5: it's greater at the northwest corner than it is in
Speaker 5: the southeast.
Speaker 1: And so there you go. I'm a big fan. I
Speaker 1: think it's great. Hmm. Yeah. If I was alive a
Speaker 1: long time ago and someone would have brought this whole
Speaker 1: thing up in the first place, Ben Franklin whatever, like
Speaker 1: you know, we're hanging out, I would have said, Man,
Speaker 1: let's just no, let's just focus on something different. Like
Speaker 1: this thing just seems like a headache. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: hard to get buy in. It just feels arbitrary.
Speaker 5: It's taken like one hundred years.
Speaker 1: It's like stuff just the season. I like the seasons.
Speaker 4: Just no, if this sticks, it'll be really interesting in
Speaker 4: like thirty or forty years to tell little kids about
Speaker 4: how we used to change the class twice a year.
Speaker 2: I feel like they've been talking about changing this though
Speaker 2: my whole life. This feels the closest it's ever come.
Speaker 2: Because Trump said if it gets to his desk, he'll
Speaker 2: sign it, and it would be a big win for Republic.
Speaker 1: Because he's big. He's a big ball hunter. What he
Speaker 1: gets off work, you know, his eyes up with the
Speaker 1: old tree.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet it happens this time. This is it.
Speaker 2: This is where we make the change permanent.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Man, we could go down through hunters, but we've gone
Speaker 5: on for a while.
Speaker 1: No, you're good.
Speaker 2: I do like Nate's note about upland retirees more daylight
Speaker 2: to hunt, fewer clock change health risks.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying that if you're hunting upland birds, you're
Speaker 5: probably retired, so none of this matters to you anyways,
Speaker 5: and you're just less likely to have a heart attack
Speaker 5: with the black clock changing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good report. I'm with you.
Speaker 6: Back to Colorado, back on the fur band thing.
Speaker 1: It's dead.
Speaker 6: They go anywhere Colorado Parks and Wildlife Commission voted six
Speaker 6: to five that rejected the petition.
Speaker 1: That was sixt to five. There's still five people.
Speaker 6: I mean, Polis has his people in there, right, they're
Speaker 6: not going andwhere they actually put some new people on
Speaker 6: which we could.
Speaker 2: Talk about what if it would have passed, what if
Speaker 2: it went into action at that point or was there
Speaker 2: like another wow, yeah it.
Speaker 6: Would I mean there would have been exceptions to to
Speaker 6: think like flies felt hat stuff like that. But anyway,
Speaker 6: it's it's it's done.
Speaker 1: It's not happy good. I think I think we should
Speaker 1: take credit for that. We should.
Speaker 6: We got on commit One of the commissioners, Dallas May,
Speaker 6: said CPW did a survey in April and fifty seven
Speaker 6: percent of the public did not support that ban, so
Speaker 6: you know they went along with with what the people wanted.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sixty five is basically fifty exactly.
Speaker 5: This was.
Speaker 6: This was that original proposal by the Center for Biological
Speaker 6: Diversity that we talked about a bunch, But we're moving
Speaker 6: on forty three of Colorado's I know that feels that
Speaker 6: you should not be able to sell or buy a
Speaker 6: product to make from muskrat first. I mean, I'm not
Speaker 6: in charge of the survey. But if you think about
Speaker 6: where people live in Colorado, you know what I mean,
Speaker 6: Like that concentrated number of people on the Front Range
Speaker 6: that probably would have supported it.
Speaker 1: It kind of makes it. I would get just talking.
Speaker 4: I would have felt a lot better with a seven
Speaker 4: to four commissioned vote.
Speaker 6: This doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: Story. I was down and I gave a talk down
Speaker 1: in San Antonio, Texas a weekend ago to Texas Wildife Association,
Speaker 1: And in my talk, I was joking with them about
Speaker 1: how everybody in Colorado always bitches about you people and
Speaker 1: buying all their land. I used to. But I'm like
Speaker 1: the way things are shaking out in Colorado. I would
Speaker 1: say that the more the merrier, they need more texts,
Speaker 1: they need more Texans to get that place straight back.
Speaker 6: There's probably people from Colorado now that are moving to
Speaker 6: Texas because.
Speaker 4: They like the way things Austin.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, left wingers, this is a controversial state I'm
Speaker 1: about to make. I don't want to get political. You
Speaker 1: don't say lefties don't want to live in lefty states.
Speaker 1: Not anymore lefties want to live in righty states. The
Speaker 1: big lefty states lose population to the righty states. It's
Speaker 1: so weird.
Speaker 6: Yeah, demographics.
Speaker 1: I try to live with someone bringing down my neck
Speaker 1: all the time. But you know I don't want get political.
Speaker 6: Yep, all right, we'll move on. They did have some
Speaker 6: options they could have gone with, which was keep the
Speaker 6: current regulations, ban the sale for products with exceptions, ban
Speaker 6: the sale of raw pelts with exceptions. That all seemed confusing,
Speaker 6: and they just got rid of the whole thing. The
Speaker 6: second thing that happened at this meeting was that because
Speaker 6: they couldn't just let the fur bear thing go completely,
Speaker 6: is the Commission voted also six' five to impose new
Speaker 6: daily bag limits on seventeen fur bear. Species now that
Speaker 6: basically what that means is trappers and. Hunters, like the
Speaker 6: coverage on THIS i felt like was kind of screwy
Speaker 6: because everything mentioned, trapping nothing mentioned. Hunting it was definitely
Speaker 6: like the coverage was aimed at like painting trapping a certain.
Speaker 6: WAY i felt LIKE i kind of left the hunting
Speaker 6: part of it out of. It but, anyway no more
Speaker 6: than two animals per species per. Day those species are, badger, bobcat, beaver, coyote,
Speaker 6: muskrat strip, skunk western spotted, skunk, raccoon red, fox, mink,
Speaker 6: possum pine, martin ringtailed, cat gray, fox swift, fox long tailed,
Speaker 6: weasel and short tail. Weasel that's it. NOW cpw proposed
Speaker 6: a fifteen animal daily, limit which was largely a symbolic
Speaker 6: cat because very few trappers would ever reach that. Number of,
Speaker 6: course wildlife advoacy advocacy groups were, like, oh that's way too.
Speaker 6: Many so they came up with a couple of different.
Speaker 6: Options eight animals a day for common species that are
Speaker 6: often considered like a nuisance for livestock, owners like, coyotes,
Speaker 6: raccoons red, foxes four animals a day for less common
Speaker 6: species like pine martin and. Mink, ultimately those options didn't go.
Speaker 6: Through The commission adopted an even stricter, rule which was
Speaker 6: the two per species per. Day this isn't, like this
Speaker 6: isn't banning. Trapping you can still, trap kind of you?
Speaker 4: CAN i CAN i ask you a stupid, Question, yeah
Speaker 4: for like if you IF i were to say to
Speaker 4: you you can only harvest four animals a, day we're
Speaker 4: talking about martin and. Mink how does? That how does
Speaker 4: that work out in? Practice because you're going to have
Speaker 4: more than four traps out? THERE i, mean, like does
Speaker 4: a good day turn into a bad.
Speaker 1: Day, yeah what if you get? Six it's, yeah it's
Speaker 1: meant to like really up end your, deal like if
Speaker 1: you're setting it like it would be that if you're
Speaker 1: trapping muskrat in muskrats, possums there's.
Speaker 4: No you don't have, control there is no spe there.
Speaker 1: Is no species concerned about these. Species but it would
Speaker 1: mean that you'd be, like DO i make three sets,
Speaker 1: right trusting that one of those sets doesn't pay?
Speaker 6: Off that's what you would turn people into violators for.
Speaker 4: You it's on its face it doesn't seem crazy because
Speaker 4: people reach those, levels but it does kneecap you in
Speaker 4: terms of how it plays out on the. Ground if
Speaker 4: you want to stay in compliance.
Speaker 1: Normally what you do when you're trying like a normal
Speaker 1: state that is, interested a normal state that is interested
Speaker 1: in like honest wildlife management does they when they look
Speaker 1: at a species that's susceptible to over, harvest they create
Speaker 1: unit wide. Quotas right in the unit wide, quota everyone
Speaker 1: that gets, something say it's a. Bobcat everyone who gets
Speaker 1: a bobcat calls a hotline or goes online reports their.
Speaker 1: Bobcat as you approach the unit wide, quota you give
Speaker 1: a twenty four hour or forty eight hour notice that
Speaker 1: the season is, closing or if you're racing toward the,
Speaker 1: quota they might call it knowing that in the next
Speaker 1: forty eight hours the quota will be. Chieved that's like
Speaker 1: a serious grown up way of handling this. Problem this
Speaker 1: is a way meant to like kneecap, people, yeah and
Speaker 1: prevent people from and basically criminalize normal activity based on.
Speaker 6: Nothing and to be, clear like even, bobcats which are
Speaker 6: regulated tightly in some, states like none of these species DID,
Speaker 6: Cpw like none of them are biologically, unsustainable, Right like
Speaker 6: even with no, limits the populations were doing.
Speaker 2: Fine.
Speaker 6: Right so it's just like this vote is just like
Speaker 6: a broader trend In colorado towards restricting you, know things
Speaker 6: like mountain lion, hunting, wolf wolf. Restoration. Thing like it's
Speaker 6: all part of this trend to like make it harder
Speaker 6: for people that hunt and. Trap, Now, like the thing
Speaker 6: about this is is that impact practical impact on people
Speaker 6: In colorado is probably not gonna Be there's not probably
Speaker 6: not much to it because in nineteen ninety, Six amendment
Speaker 6: fourteen Passing, colorado which banned the use of leg hole,
Speaker 6: traps instant killed body gripping, traps, snares and poisons for
Speaker 6: a hunting and fit or for hunting and. Trapping so
Speaker 6: the only way you can trap In colorado is with
Speaker 6: live box. Traps is that what They? Yeah, Yeah and
Speaker 6: so like the practicality of like putting out a bunch
Speaker 6: of live, traps it's just not, there like not, many
Speaker 6: there's not many people doing it In. Colorado there's very
Speaker 6: few high volume like commercial. Trappers so is this going
Speaker 6: to have a big? IMPACT i don't think. So the
Speaker 6: IMPACT i think you would see is on hunters probably
Speaker 6: more than, trappers like things like shooting, coyotes you, know
Speaker 6: to a. Day so that's kind of where it's. At.
Speaker 6: Mark there's some interesting info here From Matt, eckert who's
Speaker 6: A Cpw deputy assistant. Director unlimited unlimited daily bag limits
Speaker 6: with live, trapping which is the only method of trapping,
Speaker 6: allowed and. Hunting harvest numbers gathered from harvest surveys far
Speaker 6: below the maximum allowable harvest that would be considered, Sustainable
Speaker 6: so they're nowhere near again like endangering any of these.
Speaker 6: Species the agency sold twenty thousand burbar permits last, year
Speaker 6: eighty five percent end of those permit holders did not
Speaker 6: harvest an. Animal so, whatever that's three thousand people with
Speaker 6: furbear permits harvested you, know at least one. Animal so
Speaker 6: it's just like not a big thing In, colorado but
Speaker 6: it's definitely like a statement from the commission to like
Speaker 6: just make it more.
Speaker 1: Difficult these people are such little like there's such worms,
Speaker 1: too because they they have an. Agenda they have like
Speaker 1: an animal rights animal protectionist, agenda and over time they've
Speaker 1: abandoned like the peda. Approach the peda approach is sort
Speaker 1: of make noise socially, right make out landish claims higher
Speaker 1: celebrities to do little celebrity spokesman bits that doesn't, work
Speaker 1: and they've gotten shrewd enough now or they've adopted this
Speaker 1: kind of language of wildlife management and they've infiltrated game.
Speaker 1: Commissions they've entered the political sphere and they start using
Speaker 1: the vernacular of people who sort of are invested in wildlife,
Speaker 1: management who understand wildlife, management and they can they're achieving their.
Speaker 1: Ends they're achieving their goals by. Masquerading, yeah and they're
Speaker 1: undermining wildlife.
Speaker 6: Professionals they're undermining like the effectiveness of the people that
Speaker 6: are actually doing like the boots on the ground and
Speaker 6: work and the and the work of collecting data like
Speaker 6: they're they're making it so like the guidance and advice
Speaker 6: of the agency is just like not. Valuable you, know a.
Speaker 1: Thing that's something that brings up to. ME i want
Speaker 1: to preface this by Saying i'm not, there But i've
Speaker 1: always wondered about. This at what point would it? Be
Speaker 1: this is a question everybody has asked. Themselves if wildlife
Speaker 1: management in your, state are in this country in, general
Speaker 1: veers so off course and the objective of it is,
Speaker 1: lost at what point would you ever decide that you're
Speaker 1: just going to do things the way that makes sense
Speaker 1: to you and effectively become a vigilanti, individual, meaning you,
Speaker 1: know if it got to where the mission was, lost
Speaker 1: would you ever, say we've strayed so far from like
Speaker 1: the conservation, objectives and we've strayed so far from anything
Speaker 1: that makes. Sense i'm just going to do my own,
Speaker 1: thing because BECAUSE i don't trust these people, anymore And
Speaker 1: i'm not proposing anyone get. There BUT i always ask,
Speaker 1: myself because there is a, point like all of a
Speaker 1: sudden tomorrow they said all of a, sudden tomorrow the
Speaker 1: animal rights people gain their, momentum and there's all a
Speaker 1: sudden this like federal, law and some federal law comes
Speaker 1: into place it is forbidden to consume wild, venison and
Speaker 1: it's just against the. LAW i would at that point
Speaker 1: become a. POACHER i just. Would, YEAH i wouldn't listen to.
Speaker 1: It if there's a, thing you, know there's but there's
Speaker 1: all but that that applies to all kinds of. Things
Speaker 1: if it also became that free speech that's like generally
Speaker 1: free speech is, PROHIBITED i would, BECOME i, guess a
Speaker 1: free speech vigilanti and all sorts of. Measures but like
Speaker 1: there's a point at WHICH i would, say you lost.
Speaker 1: Me i'm kind of going on my own on this.
Speaker 6: One, Yeah and that's the danger, AGAIN i think where
Speaker 6: like these agencies just can't do their job the right
Speaker 6: way when they're being guided by commissions that have a
Speaker 6: clear goal to go the other. Direction you, KNOW i
Speaker 6: don't know.
Speaker 1: HOW i don't know How colorado is going to pull
Speaker 1: back out of.
Speaker 2: THIS i want to give a silver lining to outdoors
Speaker 2: in there if there were to. Pass WHEN i lived
Speaker 2: In South, dakota there was a body of WATER i
Speaker 2: fished that flirted with the idea of going from the
Speaker 2: daily limit of four while eyes to. Three naturally people
Speaker 2: were against. It who, Fish but QUIETLY i was, like,
Speaker 2: well if this does, pass this will be a different
Speaker 2: definition of success all of a, sudden because if the
Speaker 2: if the limit is four and you come into the
Speaker 2: boat dock after a day of fishing and someone's, like
Speaker 2: how'd you do you? Know catching zero walleye is basically
Speaker 2: the same as like bringing. Three it's like did you
Speaker 2: get a limit or? Not, like, yep got my. Limit
Speaker 2: now if the limit is, less you're more likely to be, like,
Speaker 2: YEAH i got my. Limit what a badass TRAPPER i?
Speaker 2: AM i, Thought BUT i thought that was like A
Speaker 2: they were saying that you now have a limit that
Speaker 2: you can get per. Day do you understand What i'm.
Speaker 2: Saying if the walleye limit was now three instead of,
Speaker 2: four everybody's getting. Limits, Wow look how great ave anglers
Speaker 2: we are silver Lining steve knows he's coming around the
Speaker 2: trapper who got a? Limit now that's a. Trapper he's so.
Speaker 8: Effective there's gonna be a lot of great. Trappers, yeah
Speaker 8: such a good. Trapper they didn't realize how lucky they
Speaker 8: are not too. Many There's Trouble brun And.
Speaker 1: Yellowstone this is a Very western heavy. Episode we're gonna
Speaker 1: run with it. Anyway Trouble brune And Yellowstone Wolf world
Speaker 1: concerning a pack of. Wolves so there's a pack of
Speaker 1: wolves originally called The Crystal Creek. Pack, okay the pack
Speaker 1: has been in existence since, reintroduction so it's thought to
Speaker 1: be the first pack that ever. Coalesced informed of, course
Speaker 1: all those original wolves in that original pack are all,
Speaker 1: dead but like as a sort of piece of, continuity
Speaker 1: the pack has kept. Going reminds me of ice living
Speaker 1: a house where none of the people on the lease
Speaker 1: lived in the, house but the house was kept chugging
Speaker 1: along with various people moving in and there was always
Speaker 1: four or five people in. There none of them were
Speaker 1: the original people that ever rented the place in the first.
Speaker 1: Place so from the rent from the landlord's, perspective it
Speaker 1: was like the tenants there was through there's no through.
Speaker 1: Line there's no through. Line they had no idea who
Speaker 1: was living in that. House just the check came and
Speaker 1: it was like that. House so the wolf, pack they
Speaker 1: die and get, replaced but it sort of, exists all.
Speaker 1: Right it was originally Called Crystal Creek. Pack it was
Speaker 1: renamed After Molly, baby who was the first female director
Speaker 1: of THE Us fish And Wildlife. Service she actually died
Speaker 1: of cancer during the time of the, reintroduction so eventually
Speaker 1: they call this Pack Molly's. Pack, okay here's where this
Speaker 1: gets kind of. Interesting this pack has historically stayed put
Speaker 1: in the. Park they spent about ninety five percent of
Speaker 1: their time in the, park which means because the park's
Speaker 1: just you, know full of, people park rangers and, whatnot
Speaker 1: they're habituated to. Humans but they've now drifted out of the.
Speaker 1: Park they've drifted eastward into The Shoshone National forest In.
Speaker 1: Wyoming this is the area that has a lot of cattle.
Speaker 1: Grazing so there's fear now that this beloved park, pack
Speaker 1: which is like a very like very much a tourist,
Speaker 1: attraction the tourist, attraction has moved out into the. Woods
Speaker 1: they've moved out into the Wild, okay and there's cattle grazing.
Speaker 1: There so people are anticipating that this pack is going
Speaker 1: to start getting in trouble for killing.
Speaker 6: Cattle is that are they in the like trophy zone.
Speaker 1: During the trophy Zone now That broady brought it. Up i'll, mentioned,
Speaker 1: well you're. Okay wyoming has a area where they manage
Speaker 1: wolves as a trophy, animal as they made that terms.
Speaker 1: Goofy they manage wolves as a big game animal in
Speaker 1: the north west corner of the state and the rest
Speaker 1: of the state they manage them basically a. Vermin they
Speaker 1: run them, like which Is i'm not a huge fan
Speaker 1: of that at, all but but they have their, extremes
Speaker 1: whether they have they have two uni which demonstrate one
Speaker 1: of them is like sound, management and one of them
Speaker 1: seems feels extreme to. Me, however it's a fear now
Speaker 1: that This molly's pack is gonna start getting in trouble
Speaker 1: for killing. Cattle so the wolf protection it is like
Speaker 1: the park protectionist people the. Public they're, saying, hey we
Speaker 1: need to go in and suspend grazing leases Intoshone National
Speaker 1: forests to prevent these wolves from having a chance to
Speaker 1: kill a cow and get in. Trouble all, Right so
Speaker 1: they've tried they've tried to bump they've tried to bump
Speaker 1: the wolves back into the park because they're dending out
Speaker 1: of the park in a method they use to bump.
Speaker 1: Wolves is you actually send people in there to kind
Speaker 1: of hang out near the den site to try to
Speaker 1: apply a little pressure and get them to nudge back
Speaker 1: over toward the. Park they managed to move, them but
Speaker 1: not move them all the. Way and it feels as
Speaker 1: though as we're speaking right, now right, now they're over
Speaker 1: still in The National forest and they still got pups
Speaker 1: in The National. Forest this Is wyoming's Hunt area. One
Speaker 1: they're in a hunt. Area there's a bad case of
Speaker 1: canine distemper in the, park which is trimming back the
Speaker 1: wolves real. Bad So wyoming already reduced the wolf quota
Speaker 1: in the trophy area by fifty, percent but in this
Speaker 1: area where This molly's pack is hanging, out there's currently
Speaker 1: from there's currently planned to be a four wolf hunt
Speaker 1: quota in that. Area that season is going to run
Speaker 1: From september fifteenth To december thirty, first again four wolf
Speaker 1: quota in that. Area so now you've got wolf advocates
Speaker 1: and even some politicians From Jackson Jackson hole politicians Asking
Speaker 1: wyoming to actually come in and halt the wolf hunt
Speaker 1: In unit, one not to protect just some wolves in,
Speaker 1: general but to protect the.
Speaker 6: Wolves they, like they're.
Speaker 1: Like it was not that they thought it was okay to,
Speaker 1: hunt but they're, like, yeah we understand there's a wolf hunt,
Speaker 1: there but now that someone might get the ones we
Speaker 1: know and, like we would like you to close. It
Speaker 1: they're saying that to The State Game, commission and they're
Speaker 1: trying to put leverage On Shoshone National forest to say
Speaker 1: no wolf hunting In Shoshone National forests here because some
Speaker 1: people's favorite wolves are over. There they've tried this before
Speaker 1: and it hasn't. Worked but these little, pressures like when
Speaker 1: some wolves were In, colorado they tried to Get wyoming
Speaker 1: to come in and, say, okay you can't hunt along
Speaker 1: The colorado border for fear that you might kill one
Speaker 1: of those wolves that we all know about In. Colorado
Speaker 1: The Wolf project director In, yellowstones the guy Named Dan,
Speaker 1: staller he's taking a rather circumspect view on the old,
Speaker 1: thing he. Said he said to a news agency that
Speaker 1: he'd hate to see an old alpha female like wolf
Speaker 1: ten ninety f lose her life to. Hunting that's part
Speaker 1: of the world of the. Wolf, now it's been part
Speaker 1: of the world of the wolf for over ten.
Speaker 6: Years, yeah and a lot longer before.
Speaker 1: That but they point out the ten ninety f is world.
Speaker 6: Famous is there any speculation on why they chose to
Speaker 6: leave the.
Speaker 1: Park there's some people throwing darts at, it but. Speculation
Speaker 1: i've read some speculations that felt like they kind of
Speaker 1: whiffed of not really knowing what we're talking. About it
Speaker 1: was that there's been very mild winners. Here try this going.
Speaker 1: On there's been very mild winners in the, park and
Speaker 1: so the animals in the park are in very good
Speaker 1: shape because there's been wild mild winners and so they're
Speaker 1: too hard for the wolves to catch. There but somehow
Speaker 1: a little over to the east And Shoshowny National, forests
Speaker 1: which is subject to the same weather, patterns you don't
Speaker 1: know they move. Around they move. Around it's an invisible
Speaker 1: line that they don't recognize or know. About they move huge.
Speaker 1: Distances in, fact in a day's, travel they could be
Speaker 1: back where they came. From it's just they're not aware
Speaker 1: of the. Line but it's, like the takeaway on this
Speaker 1: is there is an inherent danger in the like in
Speaker 1: naming animals and creating individual personalities around, animals of trying
Speaker 1: to protect this one and not that. One this is
Speaker 1: the THING i often preach And i'm talking to When
Speaker 1: i'm talking about wildlife management to audiences that might not
Speaker 1: be familiar with the principles of wildlife. Management AND i
Speaker 1: always use the analogy of And i've used it here,
Speaker 1: before apologies for using. Again imagine that you have an
Speaker 1: a apple tree and it produces. Apples animal rights people
Speaker 1: are very interested in the. Apples they take a shine
Speaker 1: to the individual apples on that. TREE a mature wildlife
Speaker 1: manager takes a great interest in the tree because if
Speaker 1: you take care of the, tree it will always crank out.
Speaker 1: Apples animal. Writes people come oblivious to the tree because
Speaker 1: they're so concerned about the individual, apples and those apples get,
Speaker 1: eaten those apples fall to the ground and die. Inevitably
Speaker 1: but that tree will crank for, hundreds well it'll crank
Speaker 1: for a long. Time, yeah decades and decades will. Produce
Speaker 1: and so here you have people fixating on the apples
Speaker 1: that they, know the apple growing closest to their, house
Speaker 1: which they polish and look at and take pictures. Of
Speaker 1: and the tree is just kind, of you, know not of.
Speaker 1: Concern but when it's you see this thing it happened
Speaker 1: to when you get, like you'll get like an albino
Speaker 1: animal in a in an area and people it will
Speaker 1: put away for people to know That i'm albino, animal
Speaker 1: and they're, like someone needs to come save the albino
Speaker 1: animal BECAUSE i know that. One, YEAH i recognize that.
Speaker 1: Individual and it just it creates a. Mess it creates a.
Speaker 1: MESS i can't tell WHAT i hope happens here if
Speaker 1: they naturally move back into The, HONESTLY i think that
Speaker 1: that if they naturally move back into the park and
Speaker 1: it's like crisis, averted you'd be. Disappointed, no it might
Speaker 1: be the best thing because it's better for Wolf Lover's.
Speaker 4: Animolf it might.
Speaker 1: Be the best thing because the state The national, forest
Speaker 1: and the state cannot. Capitulate this is my. Recommendation you
Speaker 1: can not.
Speaker 6: Capitulate, yeah like we, say the wolves don't know where
Speaker 6: the boundaries of the park, are but there's, boundaries, right
Speaker 6: so like they're not in there, anymore maybe they should
Speaker 6: go back.
Speaker 1: In it's like the state. Cannot i'm asking, them, like do.
Speaker 1: Not you cannot capitulate to the to the to the
Speaker 1: mob and say, okay we're going to extend part jurisdictions
Speaker 1: way out into The National.
Speaker 6: Forest thing is you can't manage park.
Speaker 1: Animals, yep they. Can't they can't give. In but if
Speaker 1: if the wolves move, back then the state doesn't need
Speaker 1: to capitulate and they don't need to deal with with
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen when someone gets this this famous Lady.
Speaker 6: WOLF i think there's some wolf unders already plotting for that.
Speaker 1: SEPTILE i know there, Are AND i don't hate, you
Speaker 1: JUST i JUST i think that a lot of, WELL
Speaker 1: i think a lot of, managers federal, level state, level
Speaker 1: would if they move, back they'll be, like oh my,
Speaker 1: god they Got, yep thank.
Speaker 4: God speaking of potential for really bad, stuff this this
Speaker 4: next segment could be the latest in an ongoing series
Speaker 4: titled Online. Predictions markets Are weird and seem bad for.
Speaker 4: Everything these are gambling sites where you can buy shares
Speaker 4: in an. Outcome it's typically yes or no, Question and
Speaker 4: it could be will so and so win an? Election
Speaker 4: will so and so score? Touchdown will it?
Speaker 1: Rain and Will trump say a certain word.
Speaker 4: In, Topeka?
Speaker 1: Kansas?
Speaker 4: Yep will this disease spread into this other? Country will
Speaker 4: there be a hurricane in the next? Week and it's
Speaker 4: a multi billion dollar. Industry the ones you've probably heard.
Speaker 4: Of our callshi and. Polymarket but there's recently a story
Speaker 4: In High Country news reported By Kylie moore a couple
Speaker 4: of weeks. Ago she wrote about the relationship between wildfires
Speaker 4: and prediction, markets and she looked specifically at the twenty
Speaker 4: twenty FIVE la. Fires people spent one point two million
Speaker 4: dollars betting on twenty different questions about the outcome of those.
Speaker 4: Fires it was, like how many acres are the fires
Speaker 4: going to, burn where the fire is going to go
Speaker 4: when they'd be. Contained and in, fact she points, out
Speaker 4: there's another site that's launched Called wildfire With whys instead Of,
Speaker 4: eyes where it's specifically about making predictions on. Fires and
Speaker 4: the problem, here as you might, guess is we spent
Speaker 4: a lot of time sort of as a, society like public, agencies,
Speaker 4: nonprofits all this stuff explaining how people what people need
Speaker 4: to do to prevent man made, wildfires because it's pretty
Speaker 4: easy in the right, conditions for one individual action and
Speaker 4: to have devastating. Consequences and now there's a financial incentive
Speaker 4: for someone to go out and perhaps leave a camp fire.
Speaker 4: Smoldering like like anything that people can bet, on someone's
Speaker 4: going to find a way to nudge the outcome that they,
Speaker 4: want and so it's just really weird that we live
Speaker 4: in a time now where you could have financial incentive
Speaker 4: for a wildfire. Spreading and it's a big distinction between
Speaker 4: betting ON i looked at what else you can bet
Speaker 4: on and call you last. Night how many inches of
Speaker 4: rain will fall In houston In, july whether or not
Speaker 4: there will be an eight magnitude earthquake In california before
Speaker 4: the end of this, year how many hurricanes will be
Speaker 4: in The. Atlantic, like those are all things that you
Speaker 4: don't have control, manipulated, Right and so there's a reason
Speaker 4: like why it's more problematic for an athlete or a
Speaker 4: referee to bet on sports than it is a guy
Speaker 4: sitting up in the. Bleachers but, again like this is
Speaker 4: out there right, now these markets justify it by saying
Speaker 4: this Isn't they're saying this is a type of crowd sourced,
Speaker 4: forecasting meaning that you can look at polymarket and see
Speaker 4: where the expert money is saying that fire is going to.
Speaker 4: Go and so it's actually it's actually provides the most
Speaker 4: accurate information to people because they can crowdsource all, this
Speaker 4: which is obviously like kind of a bullshit Hedge.
Speaker 6: Yeah how many billions of? Dollars is are they, making
Speaker 6: like those sites making off of gambling on these?
Speaker 4: Things, YEAH i mean the like there's proposed legislation right
Speaker 4: now that prohibits betting related to, terrorism, assassinations, wars, crimes
Speaker 4: or gambling on people's, deaths because obviously being able to
Speaker 4: gamble on those things creates perverse. Incentives but THERE i
Speaker 4: Bet randall gets hit by a golf.
Speaker 6: Club, YEAH i think of it this way perverse in,
Speaker 6: said it's LIKE i Bet randall's gonna get a two
Speaker 6: hundred inch buck this year and then lo and behold.
Speaker 1: He starts haunting his ass.
Speaker 4: Off, yeah or he goes IF i, could IF i could,
Speaker 4: bet IF i could bet a million dollars on whether
Speaker 4: or Not i'll fall down the stairs, TODAY i will
Speaker 4: hurl myself from the third floor to the. First but
Speaker 4: wildfire has not yet like been among the things banned
Speaker 4: substances bands per proposed, Bands so just a. Weird we
Speaker 4: have enough headwinds in terms of wildfire prevention and fighting
Speaker 4: in this country. Currently we don't need people gambling on
Speaker 4: whether or not that fire is going to spread to
Speaker 4: the next county because you know, what somebody might go
Speaker 4: out there with the can of gas and.
Speaker 1: Make that spread of the next. COUNTY i already share
Speaker 1: this with you with the prediction, markets you're reading about
Speaker 1: all these kind of crazy bets about, whatever like you,
Speaker 1: know wars and famines. WHATEVER i was watching a movie
Speaker 1: called d'en bien. Fou it was about The. French it
Speaker 1: was about The french defeat by The vietmn which kind
Speaker 1: of ended up precipitating The American war In. Vietnam, anyways
Speaker 1: in this, movie there's a there's a betting, salon a,
Speaker 1: parlor a betting. Parlor it's a big it's a big
Speaker 1: plot in the movie where Everyone, French, vietnamese everyone is
Speaker 1: going into a bookie to place bets on what hills
Speaker 1: would fall and when The vietman would Overrun en bien
Speaker 1: fu including people who are, directly not directly involved in the,
Speaker 1: fight but people who are manipulating the actions of pertaining,
Speaker 1: people military, guys. Whatever so the idea of inside betting,
Speaker 1: nothing inside, trading betting on, out betting on things that
Speaker 1: seem almost you, know morally. Reprehensible, yeah this is not, New,
Speaker 1: no it's just really bought kind of an age old
Speaker 1: thing to the.
Speaker 4: Forefront, yeah and it's accessible to, everyone and it's except
Speaker 4: like it's it's in your, pocket it's right there and
Speaker 4: anybody can do.
Speaker 6: It and it's just giving more options to people who
Speaker 6: got bad gambling, problems like to be able to bet on.
Speaker 1: Anything, Yeah i'm not worry about those. People you're.
Speaker 6: Not, Well.
Speaker 1: I'm not a big like save you from yourself kind of. Guy,
Speaker 1: well but.
Speaker 6: That's a through line on this that from The yellowstone
Speaker 6: thing you talked about.
Speaker 1: Earlier, YEAH i. Don't, YEAH i. DON'T i don't GENERALLY
Speaker 1: i don't want to save people from. Themselves but it, is,
Speaker 1: yeah to to make it be that you can like
Speaker 1: profit by like building up a bet around a wildfire
Speaker 1: and placing the. Bet you, KNOW i get. It but
Speaker 1: it's also like a difficult thing to, regulate like for
Speaker 1: the government to come say, hey no more bet. Making
Speaker 1: sure what's which they?
Speaker 4: Do they, did they did for a really long.
Speaker 2: Time this administration likes these, markets though they've been like
Speaker 2: generally favorable towards. THEM a recent example of like a
Speaker 2: better who controlled his own destiny was at the Last
Speaker 2: Super bowl At Levi stadium In. California there was a
Speaker 2: streaker within hours of that, happening it came out that
Speaker 2: he PLACED i think it was a fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 2: bet on prediction markets that there would be a streaker
Speaker 2: during The Super. Bowl plus he got like ten buddies
Speaker 2: to do the same, thing and so they were like
Speaker 2: millions of dollars exchanged and made because this guy was, like, well,
Speaker 2: yeah there's gonna be a, Streaker i'm gonna do.
Speaker 4: It if you're that passionate about streaking and you've fully
Speaker 4: committed to do, it it would be silly to leave
Speaker 4: that money on the.
Speaker 1: TABLE i don't know. THAT i don't know that that's
Speaker 1: the government's, problem the Super bowl.
Speaker 2: Streaker maybe.
Speaker 1: Not, Yeah. OKAY i feel like if someone, said, MAN
Speaker 1: i was betting, on you, know whether it be a
Speaker 1: streaker at the Super, BOWL i lost some of my
Speaker 1: hard earned money and NOW i really feel LIKE i
Speaker 1: should have been protected by the. Government i'd be, like,
Speaker 1: BUDDY i don't, know, man you're betting on streakers at
Speaker 1: The Super.
Speaker 2: Bowl the other thing is if you outlaw, it somebody's
Speaker 2: going to make it a thing, anyway market that the
Speaker 2: mafia will rise again and make all of its money
Speaker 2: off of. Betting if if you, know legalized gambling goes,
Speaker 2: away so like someone's going to figure out how to do,
Speaker 2: it And.
Speaker 1: I'll point OUT i, Mean i'm not totally hipped to current,
Speaker 1: law BUT i think arson is generally legal illegal, anyway,
Speaker 1: Correct so he's already got one.
Speaker 6: Problem, yeah but they might really put the screws to
Speaker 6: you when it comes time to like issue a. Sentence
Speaker 6: if they're, like you know you.
Speaker 1: Did, This, yeah they go to the jury like the
Speaker 1: son of a bitch bet on? It, yeah the streaker.
Speaker 2: He's breaking the law too when he does.
Speaker 1: It what's the law he's?
Speaker 3: Breaking?
Speaker 1: Yeah all that. ONE i don't know HOW i feel about.
Speaker 1: That should that be illegal probably in certain contexts streaking
Speaker 1: betting on.
Speaker 2: IT i also think it came out that that guy had,
Speaker 2: like wait a, minute this dude has has been a
Speaker 2: streaker before and maybe been well reported, on like this
Speaker 2: might have been the second time that he.
Speaker 6: Come out on. Top, financially just as.
Speaker 4: You pointed out with The buffalo, attacks people have been
Speaker 4: streaking long before the age of cell. Phones this is
Speaker 4: just something about.
Speaker 1: It that makes you want to go out trigger. Happy.
Speaker 1: PEA i mean that, metaphorically not just that they like to,
Speaker 1: shoot they're just a it's hard to control Them. Americans
Speaker 1: we're out, there, yeah creeping up on.
Speaker 8: Wildlife Maybe carl had a.
Speaker 2: Call she bet on the number of bison injuries this
Speaker 2: year In. Yellowstone and now he just cashed the over, All.
Speaker 1: Right we're. Done we got one hit On Bear's. Ears
Speaker 1: we'll keep this.
Speaker 5: Brief if you hadn't read the, news The trump administration
Speaker 5: slashed the monument protections For Bears. Ears this is originally
Speaker 5: designated twenty sixteen Under President, obama and it was about
Speaker 5: one point four million acre monument under The Antiquities, act
Speaker 5: ostensibly to stop rampant looting across one hundred thousand plus
Speaker 5: acre or one hundred thousand native archaeological. Sites is backed
Speaker 5: by a five tribe, coalition et, cetera et. Cetera trump
Speaker 5: won slashed the monument in twenty, Seventeen Biden unfolier store
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty. One just a few weeks, Ago july,
Speaker 5: thirteen twenty twenty, Six trump two slashed it again down
Speaker 5: to about one hundred and twenty thousand.
Speaker 6: Acres and he did that by executive, Word.
Speaker 5: Yes by executive, order and it's because of an interpretation
Speaker 5: he feels that or his administration him, whatever feels that
Speaker 5: he can reduce those based on a clause that says
Speaker 5: the Minimum it's like the minimum amount or the least
Speaker 5: amount of space. Necessary the opponents to this say that
Speaker 5: you can create, monuments you can't undo. Monuments so, basically,
Speaker 5: yeah it's. Sorry the clause's smallest area compatible and his
Speaker 5: rationale as it locked up critical mineral. Resources from a hunting,
Speaker 5: perspective it doesn't really change the hunting management that's still
Speaker 5: in the hands Of, utah but it does change the
Speaker 5: access because travel rules in a, monument it restricts you
Speaker 5: to motorize travel strictly on designated, roads protectic cultural ruins and.
Speaker 5: Whatnot without the monument, protections you can basically do whatever
Speaker 5: you can do ON blm, land which is a. Lot
Speaker 5: then there's also an opening of a sixty day window
Speaker 5: for potential, mining oil and gas, leasing which will most
Speaker 5: likely happen in that. Area an interesting little the OPPOSITE
Speaker 5: i wouldn't say, opposite but an interesting effect of this
Speaker 5: is that when this whole political kerfuffle went down in
Speaker 5: twenty sixteen With obama and then back and forth pre twenty,
Speaker 5: sixteen visitation was seventy five thousand people. Annually with national
Speaker 5: headlines and all the digital absent, stuff it drove visitation
Speaker 5: of four hundred thousand visitors last.
Speaker 1: Year that's compared to.
Speaker 5: So you, know one hundred or, sorry at three hundred percent,
Speaker 5: increase compared to a twenty percent increase across The Utah
Speaker 5: Big five in that same, area and so that's altered game,
Speaker 5: behavior that's increased backcountry.
Speaker 4: Pressure it also calls into question the idea that people
Speaker 4: are locked out of their under. Monuments.
Speaker 1: Exactly that's a good pointing, out except for the four The.
Speaker 2: Yeah trump's quote was you can't do. Anything you can't go,
Speaker 2: hunting you can't go, fishing you can't do. Anything you
Speaker 2: can virtually not even walk on.
Speaker 1: It that's that's completely.
Speaker 2: False, yeah that Was trump's quote as he like signed the.
Speaker 1: Paper but that was, like we've Covered we've covered every
Speaker 1: step of this thing for ten.
Speaker 3: Years for ten.
Speaker 1: Years ten years is a long, time but it's not
Speaker 1: a long. TIME i think that when when you look at,
Speaker 1: THIS i think people often lose sight of the fact
Speaker 1: that this was first put in place Under. OBAMA i
Speaker 1: think in the in the popular, imagination this was like
Speaker 1: something dating back To Teddy Roosevelt theodore and this is
Speaker 1: likely in two, years this is likely to get undone.
Speaker 1: Again and an issue like, THIS i become interested is
Speaker 1: what does it take to have this stop bouncing The
Speaker 1: obama put it into, place it was Under trump undid,
Speaker 1: It biden put it back in, Place trump was undoing it.
Speaker 1: Again it's that executive order.
Speaker 6: Thing, Man you'd have to get rid of that and
Speaker 6: have it be a Congressional, yeah they proclaim it to,
Speaker 6: be and then getting it undone a.
Speaker 1: Lot. Yeah part of the, issue and where this winds
Speaker 1: up plying to, outdoorsman as people follow this debate back
Speaker 1: and forth is part of the issue is like there's
Speaker 1: this fear of losing hunting and fishing privileges on the monument.
Speaker 1: STATUS i don't. Know the executive action on this becomes
Speaker 1: a little bit, silly AND i do wonder what steps
Speaker 1: it would, take and if it was gonna get like
Speaker 1: some kind of congressional, Designation i'm guessing that there would
Speaker 1: need to be a some serious. Gift there would need
Speaker 1: to be some serious debate and probably compromises. Made, yeah
Speaker 1: and it's and it might not land At obama's one
Speaker 1: point six.
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Speaker 5: what are you see in there with that.
Speaker 1: Gator gator come to kill some.
Speaker 4: Coons who's winning that fight or a bunch of coons
Speaker 4: coming to.
Speaker 1: Gang i've seen videos where they coming right in there
Speaker 1: and grab them.
Speaker 6: RACCOON i let that one gets my boat hands, down.
Speaker 1: Man then the second, one there's a mountain lion getting
Speaker 1: ready to smoke a. Fawn, Yeah i'm betting on the.
Speaker 1: LAW i didn't even see that. Fon, yeah that's really
Speaker 1: interesting on the, line damn, man that's From july.
Speaker 2: Sixth that's the picture is only a few weeks.
Speaker 1: Over.
Speaker 4: Oh then there's a guy that actually still be digesting
Speaker 4: parts of that fun.
Speaker 1: Does the guy that actually his trail camera actually picked
Speaker 1: up the moment his arrow entered the vital area on
Speaker 1: A michigan eight white tail.
Speaker 5: BUCK i like, that BUT i feel Like i've seeing
Speaker 5: stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Before because you could get, yeah that's not like trail,
Speaker 1: Camy like you could just pull a still off a
Speaker 1: video and have.
Speaker 5: That my buddy's got a picture of him and his
Speaker 5: dad in the stand and his dad is missing their target.
Speaker 1: Buck it's, hilarious it's, fine but it's just it's not trail.
Speaker 1: Cammy what do we? VOTE i vote for The.
Speaker 5: Gator, yeah all, Right Team.
Speaker 6: Gates i'd like to be standing there to see what.
Speaker 6: HAPPENS i kind of know what's gonna.
Speaker 1: Happen but my buddy In louisiana has sent me these
Speaker 1: videos and the gator just comes up and grabs the
Speaker 1: raccoon into these corn. Feeders, no the raccoon's, like what is?
Speaker 1: That what is? That all of a, sudden the walks
Speaker 1: off with the.
Speaker 4: RACCOON i like that the two are sort of hanging back.
Speaker 4: There i'll get Him, bill.
Speaker 3: All.
Speaker 1: RIGHT i want to back up on. SOMETHING i don't
Speaker 1: mean to be. LIGHT i don't mean to be dismissive
Speaker 1: on the on the, monument The bearsiers monuments AT. Us
Speaker 1: at this, POINT i just feel that this is not
Speaker 1: this is not, done AND i think that in two
Speaker 1: years we're probably gonna see another.
Speaker 4: Reversal, yeah another.
Speaker 1: Football, YEAH i think it's gonna Be, yeah it's gonna
Speaker 1: be Another it's it's like the it's today's ant, war
Speaker 1: even though ant war is still today's ant, war tomorrow's. Animar, Yes,
Speaker 1: yeah it's gonna be one of those things that just
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a long time till this gets, settled
Speaker 1: and it will not get settled through executive. Proclamations thanks
Speaker 1: for listening to The News. Show