WEBVTT - Ep. 907: Yellowstone Wolf (Mis)Management, Betting on Wildfires, and Bears Ear

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the news show. Today. We've got Spencer reporting

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<v Speaker 1>on the most reported on story in the world, the

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<v Speaker 1>old timer who got tossed by a buffalo. And Yellowstone.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got wolves and Yellowstone have left Yellowstone and that's

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<v Speaker 1>got Yellowstone wolf lovers panties in a bunch. The Trump

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<v Speaker 1>administration has made changes to the Endangered Species Act. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you're guessing that it wasn't to make it strong

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<v Speaker 1>and more effective, you're onto something. Colorado's dumb fur band

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<v Speaker 1>has died, but they replaced it with something not quite

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<v Speaker 1>as dumb. Is the perpetuation of daylight savings time good

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<v Speaker 1>or bad for outdoorsmen? How can you make money betting

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<v Speaker 1>on wildfires? And more? But first our news? Yes, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>tell you about our news. That's good. Bill. Listen, you

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<v Speaker 1>want to you like you want to talk about workplace drama, Hm,

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<v Speaker 1>workplace drama. This, this represents tremendous workplace drama.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not aware.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh the bear grease bib, Yeah, what's the drama. Clay

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<v Speaker 1>fought for years for these BIPs. I think relationships were

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<v Speaker 1>ruined over these BIPs because Clay stuck to his guns.

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<v Speaker 1>He would he would accept nothing less than perfection. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're a bit man, we stand up. You see me

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<v Speaker 1>a good bill?

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<v Speaker 3>Look great? Here you go.

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<v Speaker 2>The important parts.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm not trying well.

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<v Speaker 4>You can see the main The main part of a

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<v Speaker 4>bib is the top is attached to the bottom.

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<v Speaker 1>Put camera the bear grease bib look zippers like it's

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<v Speaker 1>all in reverse. Come looking at a camera. Zipper side pockets. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you can run them like you can run them Southern style.

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<v Speaker 1>We just run around like that. Zip them up, flexible.

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<v Speaker 1>They got chaps running from ankle up. It's the ultimate bib.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the greatest product we've ever made. And and like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, a lot of fighting, a lot of fighting.

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<v Speaker 5>I had some household drama over these. I brought him home.

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<v Speaker 5>And I have a pair of three Xcel car heart

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<v Speaker 5>overalls that I do all my car work in, and

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<v Speaker 5>I brought these huckers home to do that in. And

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<v Speaker 5>my wife said those are too nice to do car working.

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<v Speaker 5>But now I did car work in them.

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<v Speaker 1>But she wants she wants to be her dress bills. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I asked her, like, can I wear these to church?

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<v Speaker 1>She didn't answer. I think that if you had those

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<v Speaker 1>other church, I would say I'd like this man to

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<v Speaker 1>step up to the pulpit. I think he's got something

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<v Speaker 1>that he should share with the congregation.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, you're not a three XL. What are you doing

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<v Speaker 2>with three XL bibs at home?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? I got this from the third store. They're just

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<v Speaker 1>like a big pair of bibs.

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<v Speaker 4>You do you're working?

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<v Speaker 1>These are?

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<v Speaker 5>I think they run a little bit big because these

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<v Speaker 5>are your original ones.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm running around in a medium, which is right right

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<v Speaker 1>right where I should be for a pair of this

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<v Speaker 1>is a large. I'm six four, big guy two twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>See claylay is telling people on Instagram they run a

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<v Speaker 2>little big. So if you get in your pair, keep

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<v Speaker 2>Clay's words.

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<v Speaker 1>It depends if you like to put them on over

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of stuff. This is the best listen, This

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<v Speaker 1>is the ultimate deal. This is what I'm live in.

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<v Speaker 1>From now on, I.

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<v Speaker 5>Will say I throw these on, like in the morning,

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<v Speaker 5>I climb a tree and shoot from my saddle before

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<v Speaker 5>work and I just throw these on over my work clothes,

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<v Speaker 5>climb the tree.

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<v Speaker 1>Good to go.

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<v Speaker 4>Because you don't want to get your T shirt dirty.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I wore a T shirt today, but usually have

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<v Speaker 5>nice pants on. Yeah, dude, people know about my dress

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<v Speaker 5>up games.

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<v Speaker 1>This is some rock These are rocks out bibs. I

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<v Speaker 1>like them.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I gotta get me some, Oh, dude, just like durable.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of fighting. They're available now.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what we want to emphasize above all else.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of fighters, a lot of fighting between.

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<v Speaker 1>It got like, it got emotionally.

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<v Speaker 2>These were built with anger.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got emotion.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm picturing an Instagram ad. Just like Clay fucked these bibs.

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<v Speaker 4>It got emotional. A lot of fighting. And here that

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<v Speaker 4>after after five years of fighting.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's seven. I thought Clay said twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Years of fighting, being like not like that, like this.

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<v Speaker 3>For the for the ignorant misspect. Here, what's the difference

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<v Speaker 3>between a bib and an overall?

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<v Speaker 1>I use them interchangeably.

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<v Speaker 4>It's interchangeable.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know if there was a practical difference.

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<v Speaker 2>If I had to say a difference, I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>an overall maybe like goes all the way.

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<v Speaker 4>To sleeves cover all.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great product too. My wife's got a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>cute little overalls these days.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's the thing. My wife's got a parado overall.

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<v Speaker 4>Overalls are cute.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, she's got some real cute She's not running

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<v Speaker 1>around these. She was, she'd probably caught it, she'd do

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<v Speaker 1>something to she'd modelm.

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<v Speaker 6>She's not gonna start working on the truck.

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<v Speaker 1>No, she just runs around being cute in her little overalls.

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<v Speaker 5>Now and then it's only a differentiation between coveralls and

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<v Speaker 5>bib overalls.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you can get them now, and you gotta go

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<v Speaker 1>get him, because here's the deal. All that fighting, if

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<v Speaker 1>they bombay is getting so if you got to bring

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<v Speaker 1>peace to the workplace, blow these bibs out of the water,

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<v Speaker 1>get them, love them. Clay wins, I win. Everybody's happy.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of fighting. Nate's got a hot tip.

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<v Speaker 5>For you or cold tip because I had neuro virus

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<v Speaker 5>this weekend and spend a lot of time in the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Got oh, dude is miserable.

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<v Speaker 5>Not as miserable as when I got it after the

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<v Speaker 5>Mile High Hunting Show and spent an hour and a

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<v Speaker 5>half plane flight in the bathroom.

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<v Speaker 1>But this weekend, you're.

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<v Speaker 2>A two time neuro virus happened.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I've had three times.

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<v Speaker 4>You gotta eat more bad stuff I've had, hold up,

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<v Speaker 4>just strengthen the system.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's probably good point.

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<v Speaker 6>You weren't frequenting taco bell.

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<v Speaker 1>No, not surprising virus, I know, but it could have been.

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<v Speaker 5>No, our whole social group got it, so it pretty

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<v Speaker 5>sure is nora virus. Anyways, I'm a little skeptical of

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<v Speaker 5>western medicine or western medicine curious, and I don't believe

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<v Speaker 5>in the overutilization of the medical system. And so instead

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<v Speaker 5>of going to the doctor when I have stuff like this,

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<v Speaker 5>I just do every hour and a half, I get

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<v Speaker 5>in the shower and sit there for half an hour,

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<v Speaker 5>kind of soak it out hydrotherapy. But eventually, after the

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<v Speaker 5>seventh or eighth shower rotation, the shower gets prett uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 5>So I thought to myself, what could I put in

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<v Speaker 5>here to make the shower more comfortable? And lo and behold,

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<v Speaker 5>I had a sleeping pad. So I blew that sucker up,

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<v Speaker 5>threw it in there, and you made my eighth, ninth,

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<v Speaker 5>and tenth shower of the evening far more enjoyable.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you measuree that you're sort of washing away the sickness?

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know if it's this I'm washing it away

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<v Speaker 5>or I'm steaming it out.

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<v Speaker 4>What I'm concerned about whenever I think of air mattress

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<v Speaker 4>is I think of all the crevices, you know, like

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<v Speaker 4>there's crevices in there. To me, that would be ripe.

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<v Speaker 4>For say, if some duke got in there, there's not

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<v Speaker 4>in there shatting.

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<v Speaker 1>Themselves, you'd be surprised.

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<v Speaker 5>So if you find yourself on your seventh or eighth

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<v Speaker 5>shower rotation of the evening, uh, blow up your sleeping

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<v Speaker 5>pad and sit on that sucker.

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<v Speaker 4>Get a shower stool available at a common drug store.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that idea. It's at dude. I don't take baths,

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<v Speaker 1>but if I did, I'd say this is not comfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>The CDC says norm virus is very contagious. What are

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<v Speaker 2>you doing here, Nate?

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<v Speaker 1>I stayed home yesterday.

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<v Speaker 5>I was clear on Sunday and I stayed home yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd also just love the game I got. I got

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<v Speaker 1>our news. Here's the deal. There's a place called Matt's

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<v Speaker 1>Reel Repair m A t s not to Te's Matt's

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<v Speaker 1>Real Repair. I've been using them for years. Those guys.

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<v Speaker 1>If you got a fishing reel that needs work, those

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<v Speaker 1>guys are the best guys on the planet in their business.

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<v Speaker 1>Nicest dudes in the world, did.

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<v Speaker 6>You send us altis there or something I.

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<v Speaker 1>Send my I send every year I send reels in

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<v Speaker 1>the mass reel repair if you get if a real

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<v Speaker 1>gets to where they'll call you be like you're throwing

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<v Speaker 1>good money after bad.

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<v Speaker 6>It's done. You got to give it up.

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<v Speaker 1>Every couple of years, I take my reels and send

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<v Speaker 1>them in for like I write it. You put a

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<v Speaker 1>little form, I put down clean, lubricate, fix what's broke.

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<v Speaker 6>Like taking your car in for a tune up or whatever.

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<v Speaker 5>Oil.

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<v Speaker 1>But I've been running some dial with saltis reels for

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<v Speaker 1>for way over a decade in the salt. In the

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<v Speaker 1>salt just the nicest guys man, just like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you call over there like hello, That's what I like.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like press one two. Okay, we're gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>we gotta we gotta do some crashes. But the audience

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<v Speaker 1>has a love hate relationship with corrections. Some people love them,

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<v Speaker 1>some people hate them. We're gonna try to shorten it up.

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<v Speaker 1>So we brought in a thing to time it.

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<v Speaker 5>What's the winner get nothing right now? We're just we're

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<v Speaker 5>just rounding up corrections.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, no, you're not gonna win nothing right now

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<v Speaker 1>a long time ago. Guy made us this interest O meter.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you put this? Can you put he put my

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<v Speaker 1>shot on the screen.

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<v Speaker 4>H get the Diary of Sleeping Pad off the Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>A guy made us this interest on meeting. Yeah, there

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<v Speaker 1>you go. I'm gonna walk through some corrections very quickly.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, this was listener Ryan Thomas, who created the meter.

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<v Speaker 1>Who created the meter?

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<v Speaker 2>Than you got three red dots, yellow and three green,

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<v Speaker 2>So seven levels of interest.

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<v Speaker 5>And the way this machine functions is we all have

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<v Speaker 5>a terminal with a dial and it averages those lights

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<v Speaker 5>average our interest in said topic. And so Steve will

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<v Speaker 5>spend about a minute covering a correction, and we'll all

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<v Speaker 5>weigh in with our dial on how inch should we

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<v Speaker 5>are in the top one wins.

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<v Speaker 1>Guy named Troyer writes in a couple of weeks back,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys mentioned new shirts with tr on him. Love

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<v Speaker 1>the idea, but you guys called him Teddy, and that

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<v Speaker 1>would have made the man bristle. He did not appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>the nickname. Well, there are reports that in political sphere

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<v Speaker 1>he did not mind if a stranger called him that.

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<v Speaker 1>As supporters of the man, I personally use tr or

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<v Speaker 1>Theodore proper as it has been said that he never

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<v Speaker 1>permitted himself to be called teddy.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, they're turning their dials.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm moderately interested in that.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not turning mine.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, Okay, who's this guy?

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<v Speaker 1>The venison? The guy? This is something dude from the UK.

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<v Speaker 1>What's his name? I can't remember his name. Let me

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<v Speaker 1>start by expressing this is about Yanni's report on Wimbledon,

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<v Speaker 1>the tennis contests, serving venison to lower their carbon footprint,

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<v Speaker 1>dropping beef, picking up venison, which we covered, Feller says,

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<v Speaker 1>let me start by expressing my genuine admiration for the

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<v Speaker 1>Meat Eater brand, your team, and everything you do for

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<v Speaker 1>hunting and conservation internationally. The reason I felt it was

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<v Speaker 1>worth writing in that Meat Eater has earned enormous credibility

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<v Speaker 1>with hunters around the world. When you speak about a

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<v Speaker 1>country or a hunting culture, people listen. That is why

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<v Speaker 1>I felt compelled to reach out after listening to your

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<v Speaker 1>recent discussion regarding Wimbledon, venison and the UK landscape. The

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<v Speaker 1>venison served at Wimbledon is sourced from the Royal Parks.

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<v Speaker 1>This is managed park venison, not wild shot deer. While

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<v Speaker 1>quotes in the article note that eating venison helps control

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<v Speaker 1>deer populations, causing ecological destruction. Eating park venison does absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>nothing to reduce Britain's booming wild deer population. Trained hunters

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<v Speaker 1>in the UK are legally permitted to sell wild venison

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<v Speaker 1>directly into the food chain, yet only one major supermarket

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<v Speaker 1>chain regularly stocks genuine wild British venison. Most stock imported

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<v Speaker 1>or farmed venison because of public perception, the market finds

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<v Speaker 1>park or farmed labels more palatable than wild, despite wild

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<v Speaker 1>being the more ethical, sustainable choice.

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<v Speaker 4>That they're now they're now serving wild venison in National

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<v Speaker 4>Health Service hospitals.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, but here's the deal. I was gonna say

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<v Speaker 1>that too, but it ran out of time. Oh, I

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<v Speaker 1>thought that was for you to add it in.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I thought we could have got I thought we

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<v Speaker 4>could have rid of Interestingly, you have to see genuine

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<v Speaker 4>progress left.

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<v Speaker 1>British vedicine is now even being served in several NHS

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<v Speaker 1>hospitals as part of an initiative to promote sustainable, locally

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<v Speaker 1>sourced knows exactly.

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<v Speaker 6>The kind of So now my interest has fallen because

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<v Speaker 6>it went on too long.

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<v Speaker 7>But I know if it were me, I would have

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<v Speaker 7>cut out all this stuff about how not you his

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<v Speaker 7>genuine admiration for the brand, and I like that enormous credibility.

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<v Speaker 1>Favorite part.

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<v Speaker 6>All right, we were at a five out of seven,

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<v Speaker 6>then Brody brought it down to a four and he's

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<v Speaker 6>still in the in the lead.

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<v Speaker 2>Here he achieved yellow.

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<v Speaker 1>We covered a piece where in Alabama h O and

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<v Speaker 1>Alabama brought in the Feds to kill the bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>geese that were bugging them, and we're like, what I

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<v Speaker 1>was saying, I was saying, just don't start the time again.

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<v Speaker 1>This is background. I was saying, it seems a little

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<v Speaker 1>severe to call in the FEDS to kill some geese.

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<v Speaker 1>There's gotta be another way. That's just my comment as

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<v Speaker 1>a guy that doesn't know anything about this HOA guy

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<v Speaker 1>writes in he wants to remain anonymous. I am a

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<v Speaker 1>wildlife biologist with USDA's Wildlife Services. I would like to

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<v Speaker 1>add some insight on the HOA geese issue. First, some

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<v Speaker 1>information was left out of the podcast segment, including previously

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<v Speaker 1>used non lethal harassment and the severity of their situation.

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<v Speaker 1>According to Heritage Plantation, they have invested over twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars using coyote decoys lasers, shoreline fencing, and the

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<v Speaker 1>introduction of swans. For over ten years, they have been

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<v Speaker 1>conducting egg oiling. This blocks the egg pores, preventing oxygen,

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<v Speaker 1>installing embryo growth. In addition, they were also denied by

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<v Speaker 1>the City of Madison to use trained dogs, so they

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<v Speaker 1>tried a lot. Over the past year, sixteen geese and

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five percent of the swans have died from illness,

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<v Speaker 1>and one hundred percent of the carcasses tested positive for

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<v Speaker 1>avian influenza who. One important thing to note here is

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<v Speaker 1>that they most likely they were dealing with a resident population.

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<v Speaker 1>This means they remained there year round. These situations are

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<v Speaker 1>very common in urban and suburban areas. In fact, in

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<v Speaker 1>places that I have worked on goose issues are conveniently

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<v Speaker 1>also where the DNR chooses to band geese. Every single

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<v Speaker 1>banded goose I have lethally removed were banded and the

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<v Speaker 1>exact place I shot them, with examples of some birds

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<v Speaker 1>being banded almost ten years ago in the same spot.

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<v Speaker 1>This is all to say it is extremely hard to

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<v Speaker 1>harass resident geese, and it seems to me that they

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<v Speaker 1>have exhausted almost every other method besides installing a wire

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<v Speaker 1>grid across the pond. Here's just gets interesting as to

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<v Speaker 1>the method of lethal removal. Roundups are just the most

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<v Speaker 1>efficient way. They're conducted during the summer molt. For euthanasia,

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<v Speaker 1>most programs utilize CO two gas chambers. Takes about ten

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<v Speaker 1>to twenty seconds to kill a goose. I saw a

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<v Speaker 1>comment saying that geese can hold their breath for forty

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<v Speaker 1>five seconds, but that doesn't matter because CO two is older. Listen,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't know to hold their breath. They hold their breath.

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<v Speaker 1>I got a bad feeling.

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<v Speaker 5>Guys, one, two, three, we're out.

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<v Speaker 1>We're a A.

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<v Speaker 3>We're a six out of seven. There for the interest.

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<v Speaker 4>Also, I just jammed it up.

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot my Minnesota wolve. Nate reviewed compensation programs for

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<v Speaker 1>wolf killed livestock. My hearing aid equipped ears perked up

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<v Speaker 1>when Nate said wolf advocates were the original source of

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<v Speaker 1>Wisconsin's wolf composition funding. Here's where it gets tricky. When

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<v Speaker 1>wolves are being managed by the state DNR Department of

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<v Speaker 1>Natural Resources through hunting and trapping. State law requires wolf

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<v Speaker 1>depredation payments come from wolf hunting, trapping licenses and license

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<v Speaker 1>application fees. However, when wolves are being protected under the

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<v Speaker 1>Federal Endangered Species Act. The money for wolf depredation payments

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<v Speaker 1>comes from Wisconsin's Bureau of Natural Heritage and Conservation. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you're allowed to hunt and trap them, hunters pay depredation.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're not, it comes out of a totally different fund. Man.

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<v Speaker 6>That's a nice tight correction there.

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<v Speaker 1>Pat closes with this thought. Pat has often said deer

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<v Speaker 1>make people stupid. He elaborated on that. Elaborated on that

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<v Speaker 1>deer make people stupid, wolves make people mad, Turkeys make

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<v Speaker 1>people happy. That sucker up. Lastly, this is the final

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<v Speaker 1>final mention on whether it is okay to refer to

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<v Speaker 1>weed smokers as dope smokers.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm pad achieved yellow there.

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<v Speaker 1>So you got.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, you got okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Last one light green. Last one the most important one.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm writing into defend Steve and correct the angry dope

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<v Speaker 1>smokers about the use of the term dope smoker. First,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to establish my bona fides. Listen carefully. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the most this is the most credentialed dope smoker

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<v Speaker 1>in the world. I want to establish my bona fides.

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<v Speaker 1>I lived my entire life in the foothills of northern

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<v Speaker 1>California and was a self proclaimed stoner. Through most of

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<v Speaker 1>my twenties and thirties. I spent many croptobers as a trimmer,

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<v Speaker 1>getting paid in wait for my services. In addition, after

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<v Speaker 1>recreational cannabis use was legalized in California, I was the

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<v Speaker 1>director of product development for two of the largest and

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<v Speaker 1>most well known cannabis brands in the state. My job

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<v Speaker 1>there was to select the best weed, build supply chains

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<v Speaker 1>for manufactured products like oils, vapes, and edibles, and then

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<v Speaker 1>bring those products to market.

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<v Speaker 6>That's I bention that guy had a subscription to High Times.

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<v Speaker 1>Now onto the topic at hand. Is the term dope

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<v Speaker 1>smoker acceptable? The answer is yes. Perhaps the best supporting

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<v Speaker 1>evidence for this comes from the band's Sleep, who are

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<v Speaker 1>of the undisputed creators of stoner rock genre. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety eight, Sleep released the album Dope Smoker, which I

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<v Speaker 1>listened to you cup. Just a quick intro to Dope Smoker.

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<v Speaker 3>Was I did I get right here?

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<v Speaker 1>Let me know what You're ready?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Okay, give me a sick.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen ninety eight, Sleep released album Dope Smoker, which

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<v Speaker 1>contains only one song title Dope Smoker. That'd be an

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<v Speaker 1>ep The song is a sixty three minute epic tale

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<v Speaker 1>about a pilgrimage made by weed priests known as Weedians,

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<v Speaker 1>across the mystical desert. The purpose of their pilgrimage to

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<v Speaker 1>cast seed of Eden onto the nurtured desert soil of Zion,

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<v Speaker 1>creating a permanent, spiritually elevated sanctuary dedicated to continuous cultivation

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<v Speaker 1>and smoking. He's losing me.

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<v Speaker 4>This is great now.

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<v Speaker 1>The band spent four years writing and recording the song.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's how it starts. I was hooked. That's good, Phil,

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<v Speaker 1>Okay great. They spent four years writing and recording the

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<v Speaker 1>song album. Both the title and content of Dope Smoker

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<v Speaker 1>were so important to Sleep that when they're label London

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<v Speaker 1>Records threatened to drop them over it. In nineteen ninety six,

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<v Speaker 1>The band went to court lost, then leaked the album

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<v Speaker 1>themselves two years later.

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<v Speaker 3>That's great.

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<v Speaker 1>He goes on to say, I dare any offended dope

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<v Speaker 1>smoker out there writing into the media to podcast to

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<v Speaker 1>tell the members of Sleep that the word which caused

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<v Speaker 1>them to fight a year's long legal battle with London Records,

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<v Speaker 1>effectively bankrupting them and then causing them to break up

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<v Speaker 1>for fifteen years is somehow a pejorative. Keep up the

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<v Speaker 1>good work into all the dope smoking hunters and angers

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<v Speaker 1>out there, stay high. I was right.

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<v Speaker 2>He achieved a five and a half on our scale,

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<v Speaker 2>flickering on six.

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<v Speaker 1>So who won the man?

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<v Speaker 6>I think that is a sixth though, isn't it?

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<v Speaker 4>Is it just a bad No?

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<v Speaker 5>It's like flickering, you know for someone who just gave

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<v Speaker 5>him a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Engineers got he's got. We got a couple of mods. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>before we go back to prize given, we got a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of mods. Buffalo flips. Old man onto the news,

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<v Speaker 1>all right.

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<v Speaker 2>A viral video from July tenth showed an old man

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<v Speaker 2>getting thrown what's been said, eight feet.

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<v Speaker 1>In the air.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe he was.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, he looked like a dope smoking man who could

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<v Speaker 2>use some bear grease bibs. I would say, throw, yes, yep,

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<v Speaker 2>uh thrown eight feet in the air by a bison Yellowstone.

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<v Speaker 2>It was sixty five year old Carl McDaniels from a

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<v Speaker 2>small town north of Seattle. He was in the park

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<v Speaker 2>with his grandson, and the two were on a walk

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<v Speaker 2>at a campground near Yellowstone Lake when they spotted a

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<v Speaker 2>running bison who was putting on a show. The bison

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<v Speaker 2>rutt goes from June to September, so they're kind of

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<v Speaker 2>peak that time period. Carl and his grandson U lingered

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<v Speaker 2>for a second to take some pictures, and then the

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<v Speaker 2>attack happened. Play the video Phil.

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<v Speaker 4>For audio listeners. There's two individuals mm.

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<v Speaker 1>Hmm, yeah, the old timers running one of those beards

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<v Speaker 1>that goes down and he's running one of those beards

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<v Speaker 1>it goes down to your nipples.

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<v Speaker 5>And he's got suspenders and jeans.

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<v Speaker 2>And a grandson who's wearing a Miami Dolphins. Ryan fitzpatri

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<v Speaker 2>to Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jersey bison is wallowing. He's now on

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<v Speaker 2>his feet. This white pickup, it was later said it

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<v Speaker 2>was trying to haze the bison, didn't work.

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<v Speaker 1>The pickup honked the very poor operation.

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<v Speaker 2>They said that the pickup honked at the bison and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe that's like what got thordison on its feet. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>so it was doing the opposite of what it intended.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>The the bison and the man are playing ring a

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<v Speaker 2>on the rosie with some trees and then this is

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<v Speaker 2>where the attack happens.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh oh god.

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<v Speaker 2>Quite a video man captured by a photographer who was

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<v Speaker 2>at the campground at that point. Can you imagine if

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't if they like, wasn't a dude with a

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<v Speaker 2>really high powered camera, like?

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<v Speaker 6>Did the bison just walk off after that?

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<v Speaker 2>Immediately after the attack, some good samaritans, including the cameraman

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<v Speaker 2>who stopped filming, They hazed the bison until it moved

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<v Speaker 2>away from Carl, and because they were in a popular area,

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<v Speaker 2>emergency vehicles got there within ten minutes. The man is hurt,

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<v Speaker 2>but okay. His femur was broken in four places near

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<v Speaker 2>his hip. The accident happened on a Friday. He had

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<v Speaker 2>surgery on Sunday right here in Bozeman, and he was

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<v Speaker 2>standing again on Monday. Carl said it wasn't the bison

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<v Speaker 2>that hurt him. It was the ground sure, So it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't the impact from the bison. It was coming down

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<v Speaker 2>that caused that broken femur. Now, the National Park Service

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<v Speaker 2>says you need to stay twenty five yards away from bison.

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<v Speaker 2>Is on their website, It's in all their re materials.

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<v Speaker 2>They also say one hundred yards away from bears, wolves,

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<v Speaker 2>and mountain lions. Carl estimated that he and his grandson

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<v Speaker 2>were one hundred yards away from that bison, so they

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<v Speaker 2>were bear distance four x what the National Park Service says. Normally,

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<v Speaker 2>when these things happen, the reaction from the general public

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<v Speaker 2>is like, Wow, what an idiot. You know, he sure

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<v Speaker 2>deserved that. Go team Bison, you know, get those more

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<v Speaker 2>on tourists. That hasn't been the case here. And when

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<v Speaker 2>I watched that video, I don't have that reaction either,

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<v Speaker 2>Like the dude seemed like he was just in the

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<v Speaker 2>wrong place at the wrong time, and he didn't linger

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<v Speaker 2>too long. And the way that video begins, you're watching

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of encounter that happens in Yellowstone thousands of

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<v Speaker 2>times a year, where someone's just like watching a bison

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<v Speaker 2>from what would be considered a safe distance, and usually

0:25:49.000 --> 0:25:52.200
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't happen like this where the bison actually attacks him.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you guys feel the same way? Did you see

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<v Speaker 2>something different?

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<v Speaker 1>No? But I never, like, I never think that the

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<v Speaker 1>person was dumb for even creeping up on stuff.

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<v Speaker 6>Pettingam.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen, I'm like, guy, you know, I like to get

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<v Speaker 1>in there. I've never think you, guys, you never try

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<v Speaker 1>to sneak closer to something.

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<v Speaker 6>Of course I have, but I'm not gonna try and pet,

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<v Speaker 6>but I think what Spencer's getting now is true.

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<v Speaker 1>Like this guy, no, he didn't have I'm not mad

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<v Speaker 1>at him, and I never do that. I never do that.

0:26:29.160 --> 0:26:30.960
<v Speaker 1>I never do that thing like Oh, what a dummy.

0:26:31.080 --> 0:26:34.240
<v Speaker 2>But that's like eighty percent of the online reaction normally

0:26:34.720 --> 0:26:38.080
<v Speaker 2>when when this happened, normally people are like, boy, dude

0:26:38.119 --> 0:26:38.600
<v Speaker 2>had it coming.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like the reaction to this one is very

0:26:40.480 --> 0:26:41.840
<v Speaker 4>different than what you usually see.

0:26:42.119 --> 0:26:44.439
<v Speaker 6>That thing was gonna get him no matter what. It

0:26:44.480 --> 0:26:48.400
<v Speaker 6>went through those trees. Yeah, and that old guy's pretty spry.

0:26:48.600 --> 0:26:48.879
<v Speaker 1>He was.

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<v Speaker 2>There was multiple moments where I'd have been like, oh,

0:26:52.119 --> 0:26:54.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm safe now, like the thing is over, and then

0:26:54.640 --> 0:26:56.560
<v Speaker 2>the bison like keeps going after him.

0:26:56.600 --> 0:26:58.879
<v Speaker 5>That dude was hitting the Nazis zombie moves.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what that means. No, are you gonna

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<v Speaker 1>add anything to this that Ida.

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<v Speaker 2>Had to take.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, I was just gonna say, Like he starts out

0:27:11.880 --> 0:27:15.200
<v Speaker 4>what looks to be a very safe, conservative distance from

0:27:15.240 --> 0:27:18.760
<v Speaker 4>the bison, that truck goes through, blows its horn. They

0:27:18.800 --> 0:27:21.560
<v Speaker 4>start moving off as soon as the bison starts moving

0:27:21.560 --> 0:27:23.919
<v Speaker 4>towards them, Like, I don't know that there's anything in

0:27:23.960 --> 0:27:26.000
<v Speaker 4>there that I'd second guess. And then the other thing too,

0:27:26.080 --> 0:27:29.280
<v Speaker 4>is like you never really see the grandson get away.

0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:31.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but you sort of get.

0:27:31.119 --> 0:27:35.159
<v Speaker 4>The sense like he when the grandfather comes around the trees,

0:27:35.240 --> 0:27:37.199
<v Speaker 4>he kind of stays there and does the cat and

0:27:37.240 --> 0:27:38.879
<v Speaker 4>mouse thing with it, and I kind of wonder if

0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:41.399
<v Speaker 4>he's like trying to distract the bison.

0:27:41.520 --> 0:27:43.679
<v Speaker 2>The grandfather said that was the case. He told his

0:27:43.760 --> 0:27:46.480
<v Speaker 2>son to run to her grandson to run to the amphitheater,

0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:49.159
<v Speaker 2>and that he was going to try to distract him.

0:27:49.240 --> 0:27:50.800
<v Speaker 6>So he just ran. We couldn't see him.

0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:53.280
<v Speaker 2>Yes, the distraction worked a little too well though, as

0:27:53.320 --> 0:27:55.720
<v Speaker 2>we saw in the video. No, of course Carlson.

0:27:55.440 --> 0:27:56.840
<v Speaker 1>Gett a hundred yard vibes off that.

0:27:57.040 --> 0:27:59.080
<v Speaker 2>I didn't think so either, But that was what the

0:27:59.160 --> 0:28:01.040
<v Speaker 2>quote said. Is distance Now.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy the hazer, Yeah, then the hate's finally about this.

0:28:07.240 --> 0:28:09.280
<v Speaker 1>The dude who suppose he hates it from a truck

0:28:09.359 --> 0:28:12.720
<v Speaker 1>even though he's in a truck. He gets scared. Yeah,

0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:14.920
<v Speaker 1>he got out of it, runs away in his truck.

0:28:15.240 --> 0:28:18.320
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, like right here, right here, you can see he's

0:28:18.359 --> 0:28:21.320
<v Speaker 4>like trying, you know, he's trying to distract the bison.

0:28:21.359 --> 0:28:23.840
<v Speaker 1>I think, Oh, look at that. That's a bad that's

0:28:23.880 --> 0:28:25.280
<v Speaker 1>a bad ASSCT Again.

0:28:25.359 --> 0:28:27.639
<v Speaker 2>Multiple times, I'd be like, Oh, it's I'm safe. You know,

0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:29.040
<v Speaker 2>I've evaded the bison.

0:28:29.240 --> 0:28:31.720
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I want to draw that bon I want to

0:28:31.800 --> 0:28:33.400
<v Speaker 6>draw that bison tag and get that one.

0:28:34.080 --> 0:28:35.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't know him. Here's something I don't know. Okay.

0:28:35.920 --> 0:28:37.760
<v Speaker 2>Of course Carl survived, but I went to one of

0:28:37.800 --> 0:28:40.480
<v Speaker 2>my favorite books, Death in Yellowstone, to try to put

0:28:40.480 --> 0:28:44.080
<v Speaker 2>the attack in perspective. There have been two bison related

0:28:44.160 --> 0:28:48.320
<v Speaker 2>deaths in Yellowstone. The first was from July twelfth, nineteen

0:28:48.480 --> 0:28:51.160
<v Speaker 2>seventy one, almost fifty five years ago to the day

0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:55.240
<v Speaker 2>when Carl was attacked. That's when Marvin Schrader, a thirty

0:28:55.320 --> 0:28:58.840
<v Speaker 2>year old from Spokane, Washington, was at the Fountain Paint

0:28:58.920 --> 0:29:01.920
<v Speaker 2>Pots with his wife and three kids. Marvin wanted to

0:29:01.960 --> 0:29:04.640
<v Speaker 2>get a picture of a solitary bison that was loafed

0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:07.560
<v Speaker 2>in a meadow. Marvin got to within twenty feet of

0:29:07.600 --> 0:29:10.600
<v Speaker 2>the bison when it got up and charged him. The

0:29:10.600 --> 0:29:13.920
<v Speaker 2>bison's horn pierced the man's liver just before it lost

0:29:14.000 --> 0:29:17.400
<v Speaker 2>him twelve feet in the air. Marvin's family watched him

0:29:17.400 --> 0:29:20.000
<v Speaker 2>groaning on the ground for a few minutes until he died.

0:29:20.800 --> 0:29:22.000
<v Speaker 1>You're doing fatalities.

0:29:22.480 --> 0:29:29.280
<v Speaker 2>Fatalities too, ever, guessed much higher, much higher fatalities. So

0:29:29.400 --> 0:29:33.360
<v Speaker 2>that was nineteen seventy one. The second fatal bison attack

0:29:33.520 --> 0:29:37.760
<v Speaker 2>happened twelve years later in Hayden Valley. Again, it involved

0:29:37.800 --> 0:29:41.280
<v Speaker 2>a solitary bison during the rut. It was July thirty first,

0:29:41.360 --> 0:29:45.800
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty three. Twenty one year old French visitor Alaine

0:29:45.840 --> 0:29:50.360
<v Speaker 2>Dumont wanted his picture taken with a bison. He got

0:29:50.400 --> 0:29:54.000
<v Speaker 2>to six feet away when the bison turned and gored him,

0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:57.640
<v Speaker 2>throwing him ten feet in the air. Dumont's injuries included

0:29:57.680 --> 0:30:02.920
<v Speaker 2>a punctured kidney, punctured stomach, torn colon, damaged spleen, and

0:30:03.000 --> 0:30:06.680
<v Speaker 2>four broken ribs. Dumont survived long enough to see a doctor,

0:30:06.720 --> 0:30:10.520
<v Speaker 2>but later died from an infection because of the ruptured spleen.

0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:12.840
<v Speaker 2>So those are the two fatal.

0:30:12.600 --> 0:30:14.120
<v Speaker 1>Spleen is mine hurts now?

0:30:15.960 --> 0:30:18.600
<v Speaker 2>Now all three of those events share some similarities. It

0:30:18.680 --> 0:30:21.520
<v Speaker 2>was a singular bull bison during the rut, which again

0:30:21.600 --> 0:30:25.480
<v Speaker 2>is happening right now, specifically in July. Each victim was

0:30:25.520 --> 0:30:28.760
<v Speaker 2>either taking a picture or getting their picture taken with

0:30:28.880 --> 0:30:33.600
<v Speaker 2>the bison, including modern day Carl. And my last thought

0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:35.960
<v Speaker 2>is this book made me aware of something that I

0:30:36.000 --> 0:30:39.280
<v Speaker 2>hadn't really considered before, and it's that humans have always

0:30:39.320 --> 0:30:43.640
<v Speaker 2>been stupid. I think there's maybe like this shared thought

0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:47.560
<v Speaker 2>among people today that we're like more disconnected from nature

0:30:47.600 --> 0:30:50.240
<v Speaker 2>and our cell phones are making us dumber and common

0:30:50.280 --> 0:30:54.680
<v Speaker 2>sense isn't common anymore, and I think people maybe carry

0:30:54.720 --> 0:30:57.280
<v Speaker 2>some even guilt about just like how dumb the modern

0:30:57.320 --> 0:31:00.520
<v Speaker 2>man is. This book will make you realize that people

0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:03.640
<v Speaker 2>have been doing dumb things and dying in spectacular ways, but.

0:31:03.600 --> 0:31:05.920
<v Speaker 1>They're not doing one hundred and fifty years, who's not

0:31:07.880 --> 0:31:10.280
<v Speaker 1>all kinds of hot buffalo hide hunters got killed. It's

0:31:10.320 --> 0:31:12.960
<v Speaker 1>like the world's like a slightly dangerous place.

0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:15.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you this book. If you read, if you

0:31:15.160 --> 0:31:16.880
<v Speaker 2>look at this book and look at all the deaths

0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:18.920
<v Speaker 2>that have happened in Yellowstone over the last one hundred

0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:21.640
<v Speaker 2>and fifty years, your takeaway will be like, oh, man,

0:31:21.680 --> 0:31:24.280
<v Speaker 2>people have always been stupid. People are always trying to

0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:27.080
<v Speaker 2>like take a cool picture, or impress a girl, or

0:31:27.240 --> 0:31:31.880
<v Speaker 2>win a bet, or you know, like ignore bad weather,

0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:36.080
<v Speaker 2>ignore an animal's behavior that's been happening for the last

0:31:36.120 --> 0:31:38.200
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and fifty years, for as long as people

0:31:38.200 --> 0:31:40.400
<v Speaker 2>have been recording this stuff. And I feel like we

0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:43.520
<v Speaker 2>just kind of assigned that to folks in twenty twenty six, like,

0:31:43.560 --> 0:31:46.760
<v Speaker 2>look at how stupid we are collectively. This book will

0:31:46.800 --> 0:31:50.600
<v Speaker 2>tell you otherwise, we have always been stupid, and it's like,

0:31:50.680 --> 0:31:53.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe our species has a chance. Here's the

0:31:53.800 --> 0:31:57.320
<v Speaker 2>best evidence of this whole thing. In the nineteen eighties,

0:31:57.440 --> 0:32:02.000
<v Speaker 2>Yellowstone averaged six bison related injuries per year. In nineteen

0:32:02.080 --> 0:32:06.080
<v Speaker 2>eighty three alone, there were eleven injuries. Today it's less

0:32:06.080 --> 0:32:09.000
<v Speaker 2>than two a year, despite there being literally twice as

0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:11.520
<v Speaker 2>many bison in the park and twice as many visitors.

0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:15.440
<v Speaker 2>So we've we've cut we've cut down injuries because they've

0:32:15.680 --> 0:32:21.120
<v Speaker 2>they they they control, they control people's freedoms. I don't

0:32:21.160 --> 0:32:21.480
<v Speaker 2>think so.

0:32:21.760 --> 0:32:24.040
<v Speaker 1>I think they're better rules.

0:32:24.200 --> 0:32:26.520
<v Speaker 2>They're just better at telling people like, hey, don't get

0:32:26.560 --> 0:32:29.240
<v Speaker 2>to six feet from a bike people's freedoms.

0:32:29.440 --> 0:32:33.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Americans are a trigger happy lot. We like to

0:32:33.360 --> 0:32:36.680
<v Speaker 1>get in there, We want to mix things up, and

0:32:36.840 --> 0:32:39.080
<v Speaker 1>they make it like you can't mix anything up in there.

0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:41.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they should engrave that on that.

0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:48.240
<v Speaker 6>I knew Spencer was headed for troubled waters on this one.

0:32:48.240 --> 0:32:51.440
<v Speaker 6>When I found out that the View also covered this story, Oh.

0:32:51.480 --> 0:32:54.360
<v Speaker 1>Dude, my wife pointed out this story to me, and

0:32:54.400 --> 0:32:57.200
<v Speaker 1>we don't like, we don't traffic in the same news source.

0:32:57.280 --> 0:33:03.360
<v Speaker 2>They didn't talk about the two bison fatalities though, And again,

0:33:03.560 --> 0:33:05.840
<v Speaker 2>humans have always been dumb. Humans have always been doing

0:33:05.840 --> 0:33:07.240
<v Speaker 2>stupid things in dangerous places.

0:33:07.280 --> 0:33:11.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm just very slow to condemn someone for having to

0:33:11.920 --> 0:33:15.040
<v Speaker 1>mix up with wild animals.

0:33:14.040 --> 0:33:17.440
<v Speaker 2>Like specifically the thing when it comes to taking the

0:33:17.440 --> 0:33:20.360
<v Speaker 2>best picture, like taking a selfie that has been going

0:33:20.400 --> 0:33:22.760
<v Speaker 2>on for as long as cameras have existed. There are

0:33:22.760 --> 0:33:25.000
<v Speaker 2>so many deaths in this book because someone is trying

0:33:25.000 --> 0:33:25.840
<v Speaker 2>to get the right picture.

0:33:25.960 --> 0:33:27.760
<v Speaker 5>I feel like your book might have the opposite of

0:33:27.800 --> 0:33:31.080
<v Speaker 5>survivorship bias. You're only going to highlight the things that

0:33:31.120 --> 0:33:31.880
<v Speaker 5>went crazy bad.

0:33:32.240 --> 0:33:33.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but that's why it's fascinating.

0:33:34.280 --> 0:33:38.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if you made a whole uh normal everyday things

0:33:39.400 --> 0:33:40.440
<v Speaker 1>going normally.

0:33:42.720 --> 0:33:47.240
<v Speaker 2>It's sad because every character that gets introduced in this book,

0:33:47.240 --> 0:33:49.000
<v Speaker 2>you're like, well, I know how this ends, so they're

0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:49.640
<v Speaker 2>gonna die.

0:33:50.160 --> 0:33:52.920
<v Speaker 1>I got a book about hunters dying called Dying to

0:33:52.960 --> 0:33:56.680
<v Speaker 1>Hunt Montana m It's you can't it's it's too painful.

0:33:57.080 --> 0:34:01.000
<v Speaker 1>The gunshot section, it's it's it's just like the writer's

0:34:01.040 --> 0:34:06.520
<v Speaker 1>too good, sparse. You cannot read it. You cannot read it.

0:34:06.640 --> 0:34:09.800
<v Speaker 1>The amount of people jumping, crawling under fences, going over fences.

0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:12.680
<v Speaker 1>And I don't read it being like dummy, dummy. I

0:34:12.800 --> 0:34:16.319
<v Speaker 1>read it like dude, world's slightly dangerous place. But you

0:34:16.320 --> 0:34:17.680
<v Speaker 1>still gotta get out there and mix it up.

0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:19.800
<v Speaker 6>Hmm.

0:34:22.400 --> 0:34:24.880
<v Speaker 1>Randall, you're gonna do the changes to the ESSA. But

0:34:24.960 --> 0:34:27.320
<v Speaker 1>should I start with the World's most misleading headline or

0:34:27.400 --> 0:34:28.160
<v Speaker 1>do you want to end with that?

0:34:28.680 --> 0:34:31.359
<v Speaker 4>Let's start with it, Okay, Phil, I said this. Did

0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:32.200
<v Speaker 4>you see that email?

0:34:32.480 --> 0:34:35.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've been Yeah, this is big news. We're a

0:34:35.200 --> 0:34:38.439
<v Speaker 1>little just because of our recording schedule, we're a little

0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:40.000
<v Speaker 1>late to the game and talking about this, but it's

0:34:40.040 --> 0:34:43.160
<v Speaker 1>not going anyway anyway. Randall's gonna lay out some changes

0:34:43.200 --> 0:34:47.400
<v Speaker 1>the Trump administration made to the Endangered Species Act. But

0:34:48.719 --> 0:34:52.200
<v Speaker 1>in amongst all the reporting, those great wildlife reporters at

0:34:52.239 --> 0:34:56.719
<v Speaker 1>the Washington Post run an article about these changes, and

0:34:57.080 --> 0:35:01.160
<v Speaker 1>you see a couple of manatees floating there, humanatees hanging out,

0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:07.920
<v Speaker 1>and it says Trump administration allows killing of species threatened

0:35:07.920 --> 0:35:15.080
<v Speaker 1>with extinction, which one might reasonably assume. Good, lord, they're

0:35:15.120 --> 0:35:16.040
<v Speaker 1>hunting manatees.

0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:18.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we were sharpening our harpoons.

0:35:20.040 --> 0:35:23.320
<v Speaker 1>I was already on the road, yeah, headed to Florida

0:35:24.480 --> 0:35:27.760
<v Speaker 1>when I realized that this was a very misleading photo.

0:35:28.160 --> 0:35:32.319
<v Speaker 1>But in all seriousness, like I said up top, if

0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:36.960
<v Speaker 1>you're guessing that they want to make the endangered species

0:35:37.000 --> 0:35:39.719
<v Speaker 1>egg not as effective, you're correct. Yeah.

0:35:39.719 --> 0:35:42.440
<v Speaker 4>And this is one of those cases where there's a

0:35:42.480 --> 0:35:46.919
<v Speaker 4>headline and you think, God, this is this seems ridiculous.

0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:51.600
<v Speaker 4>Surely it's not a big deal. The headline is both wrong,

0:35:51.680 --> 0:35:53.160
<v Speaker 4>but this is also a big deal.

0:35:53.280 --> 0:35:55.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. They just wanted to find a way to take

0:35:55.480 --> 0:35:59.279
<v Speaker 1>something that was very wonky, yeah and hard to understand

0:35:59.640 --> 0:36:02.320
<v Speaker 1>and make people click on it by making the impression

0:36:02.320 --> 0:36:04.400
<v Speaker 1>that it's now okay that Trump is saying you can

0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:05.160
<v Speaker 1>hunt manatees.

0:36:05.360 --> 0:36:08.560
<v Speaker 2>Right, And it worked because that screenshot, the hyperlink was purple.

0:36:08.719 --> 0:36:10.840
<v Speaker 2>So somebody clicked on that and read I don't know

0:36:10.840 --> 0:36:11.480
<v Speaker 2>who that came to.

0:36:11.560 --> 0:36:14.799
<v Speaker 1>That came from me. I clicked right away. Yeah, Yeah,

0:36:14.840 --> 0:36:17.839
<v Speaker 1>I clicked knowing it was dumb, but I still clicked it.

0:36:17.880 --> 0:36:19.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was I clicked on it just to make

0:36:19.520 --> 0:36:23.600
<v Speaker 4>sure I got my tag application in on time. So

0:36:23.640 --> 0:36:28.040
<v Speaker 4>the Force, I'm sorry, the Fish and Wildlife Service and Noah.

0:36:28.120 --> 0:36:30.320
<v Speaker 4>So the Department of Interior and the Department of Commerce

0:36:30.400 --> 0:36:33.319
<v Speaker 4>issued a rule on July fourteenth, and the rule is

0:36:33.360 --> 0:36:38.719
<v Speaker 4>called rescinding the definition of harm under the Endangered Species Act.

0:36:39.560 --> 0:36:42.319
<v Speaker 4>The Endangered Species Act, at the most fundamental level, makes

0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:45.839
<v Speaker 4>it illegal for anyone to take. And these are when

0:36:45.880 --> 0:36:48.839
<v Speaker 4>I when I say the word with that emphasis, that's

0:36:48.880 --> 0:36:53.120
<v Speaker 4>from the law to take endangered species without authorization from

0:36:53.160 --> 0:36:58.040
<v Speaker 4>the government. And in section three nineteen, the term take

0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:04.240
<v Speaker 4>means to harass, harm, pursue, hunt, shoot, wound, killed, trap, capture,

0:37:04.360 --> 0:37:07.560
<v Speaker 4>or collect or attempt to engage in any such conduct.

0:37:08.560 --> 0:37:13.680
<v Speaker 4>So the word take is defined by ten different terms.

0:37:14.760 --> 0:37:18.080
<v Speaker 4>And so this, as I said before, in the rule,

0:37:18.120 --> 0:37:22.160
<v Speaker 4>they're rescinding. How the word harm under that umbrella of

0:37:22.280 --> 0:37:26.719
<v Speaker 4>take has been commonly understood for the past several decades.

0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:33.640
<v Speaker 4>So harm until this rule change, the operational definition of

0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:38.640
<v Speaker 4>harm included destroying an animal's habitat if destroying that habitat

0:37:38.719 --> 0:37:44.160
<v Speaker 4>or altering it impairs essential behaviors such as breeding. And

0:37:44.239 --> 0:37:47.600
<v Speaker 4>one example that I found in my research from a

0:37:47.680 --> 0:37:50.560
<v Speaker 4>I believe is an article in Vox. I can't recall

0:37:50.600 --> 0:37:53.600
<v Speaker 4>exactly where, but building a hotel on top of a

0:37:53.640 --> 0:37:58.279
<v Speaker 4>beach where sea turtle's nest, right like, because that is

0:37:58.320 --> 0:38:02.759
<v Speaker 4>going to impair the ability of species to recover. That

0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:08.160
<v Speaker 4>is considered take under the Endangered Species Act.

0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:10.640
<v Speaker 1>In this.

0:38:11.960 --> 0:38:15.680
<v Speaker 4>In this rule change, the administration does not offer a

0:38:15.719 --> 0:38:22.120
<v Speaker 4>new definition, but it refers to a descent made by

0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:26.160
<v Speaker 4>Justice former Justice Scalia. The late Justice Scalia in a

0:38:26.239 --> 0:38:29.520
<v Speaker 4>case known as Babbitt v. Sweet Home that also had

0:38:29.520 --> 0:38:31.920
<v Speaker 4>to do with the Endangered Species Act and habitat, and

0:38:32.480 --> 0:38:37.600
<v Speaker 4>in his descent, Scalia said that essentially everybody knows what

0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:40.239
<v Speaker 4>take means. It means when you deliberately go out and

0:38:40.360 --> 0:38:43.120
<v Speaker 4>kill an animal, and so there's no way that you

0:38:43.120 --> 0:38:46.960
<v Speaker 4>could understand take to include destroying that animal's habitat.

0:38:47.200 --> 0:38:49.279
<v Speaker 6>By descent, you mean he was on the losing end

0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:50.000
<v Speaker 6>of a decision.

0:38:50.080 --> 0:38:53.480
<v Speaker 4>That's exactly right. So so in that case, Scalia was not.

0:38:53.760 --> 0:38:58.560
<v Speaker 4>The court actually ruled that conserving habitat or I should say,

0:38:58.600 --> 0:39:02.480
<v Speaker 4>destroying habitat, falls under the definition of takes. Scalia disagreed

0:39:02.520 --> 0:39:06.239
<v Speaker 4>with the majority, But the administration is going back and

0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:10.239
<v Speaker 4>using his words to argue that, in fact, destroying habitat

0:39:10.320 --> 0:39:12.480
<v Speaker 4>in a way that will harm the species does not

0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:20.920
<v Speaker 4>constitute take. Now, the way that this works, essentially is

0:39:22.640 --> 0:39:26.640
<v Speaker 4>there was a change two years ago in the way

0:39:26.640 --> 0:39:30.640
<v Speaker 4>that administrative rulemaking works, like when Congress passes a law

0:39:30.719 --> 0:39:33.480
<v Speaker 4>saying you can't take an endangered species and then gives

0:39:33.520 --> 0:39:40.480
<v Speaker 4>you ten words. Traditionally, historically, the agency themself has been

0:39:40.520 --> 0:39:44.359
<v Speaker 4>able to define what harm means, right, and as long

0:39:44.520 --> 0:39:49.480
<v Speaker 4>as the Court found that their definition was reasonable, then

0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:55.319
<v Speaker 4>the agency could use that definition. Two years ago, the

0:39:55.360 --> 0:39:58.680
<v Speaker 4>court repealed that was called the Chevron doctrine, or is

0:39:58.760 --> 0:40:02.080
<v Speaker 4>up to the agencies to find reasonable understanding of the law.

0:40:03.160 --> 0:40:06.279
<v Speaker 4>After the Chevron doctrine was overturned by the court, Now

0:40:06.400 --> 0:40:09.760
<v Speaker 4>the Court has sort of claimed the power to interpret

0:40:09.800 --> 0:40:15.480
<v Speaker 4>the best meaning of these laws. So essentially what's going

0:40:15.560 --> 0:40:19.520
<v Speaker 4>to happen in September is that harm the word harm

0:40:19.960 --> 0:40:27.520
<v Speaker 4>will no longer explicitly include actions that will destroy habitat.

0:40:28.040 --> 0:40:30.399
<v Speaker 4>You could build a hotel in that example. You could

0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:33.520
<v Speaker 4>build that hotel on the beach where the sea turtles nest.

0:40:34.040 --> 0:40:38.000
<v Speaker 4>And as long as you're not intentionally killing individual sea

0:40:38.040 --> 0:40:41.200
<v Speaker 4>turtles or their eggs, you're fine.

0:40:42.040 --> 0:40:45.960
<v Speaker 6>Shut down a logging operation because they're spotted owls around.

0:40:46.200 --> 0:40:47.080
<v Speaker 4>That's exactly right.

0:40:47.160 --> 0:40:47.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so.

0:40:49.440 --> 0:40:51.840
<v Speaker 5>You'd have to drop a tree on a spotted owl.

0:40:52.480 --> 0:40:56.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the part, that's the part. And again the Administration

0:40:56.600 --> 0:41:00.319
<v Speaker 4>is quoting Scalia's understanding of the word harm, and what

0:41:00.400 --> 0:41:03.560
<v Speaker 4>Scalia says is that it has to be an affirmative

0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:11.080
<v Speaker 4>act directed immediately and intentionally against a particular animal. It's

0:41:11.200 --> 0:41:15.120
<v Speaker 4>not an act or omission that indirectly or accidentally causes

0:41:15.200 --> 0:41:19.080
<v Speaker 4>injuries to a population of animals. So this sort of

0:41:19.120 --> 0:41:24.719
<v Speaker 4>fundamentally undermines the purpose of the Endangered Species Act. And

0:41:24.760 --> 0:41:29.120
<v Speaker 4>what's interesting too, is that it's clear that Congress intended

0:41:29.960 --> 0:41:36.160
<v Speaker 4>the Endangered Species Act to cover those habitats. In the

0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:41.960
<v Speaker 4>Endangered Species Act itself, it talks about conserving the habitats

0:41:41.960 --> 0:41:44.759
<v Speaker 4>that species need to survive. It says the purpose this

0:41:44.800 --> 0:41:47.799
<v Speaker 4>is from the law itself. The purposes of this Act

0:41:47.800 --> 0:41:51.560
<v Speaker 4>are to provide a means whereby the ecosystems upon which

0:41:51.640 --> 0:41:56.200
<v Speaker 4>endangered species and threatened species depend may be conserved. So,

0:41:57.360 --> 0:42:02.800
<v Speaker 4>in short, the Administration is saying that harm doesn't encompass

0:42:02.880 --> 0:42:11.719
<v Speaker 4>those habitats, even though Congress specifically calls out habitats. And

0:42:11.719 --> 0:42:16.439
<v Speaker 4>then the law also has provisions to permit incidental take,

0:42:16.960 --> 0:42:18.759
<v Speaker 4>like if you're going to do a project that would

0:42:18.760 --> 0:42:22.759
<v Speaker 4>harm habitat that's needed by an endangered species, you can

0:42:22.840 --> 0:42:27.400
<v Speaker 4>work with the government to offset whatever incidental take you

0:42:27.480 --> 0:42:31.719
<v Speaker 4>might have. But because harm is no longer going to

0:42:31.800 --> 0:42:35.040
<v Speaker 4>encompass that, it's unclear what will happen with those types

0:42:35.080 --> 0:42:39.360
<v Speaker 4>of projects, Like if incidental take or or habitat destruction

0:42:39.560 --> 0:42:44.719
<v Speaker 4>is not considered harm, it's very unclear like how that

0:42:44.800 --> 0:42:46.960
<v Speaker 4>will move forward. And this is probably going to long

0:42:47.000 --> 0:42:48.520
<v Speaker 4>story short, this is probably going to end up in

0:42:48.520 --> 0:42:56.080
<v Speaker 4>the Supreme Court. They're basically the administration has basically said

0:42:57.440 --> 0:43:01.600
<v Speaker 4>harm under the Endangered Species Act no longer no longer

0:43:01.719 --> 0:43:08.640
<v Speaker 4>encompasses destruction of these habitats, and so like, it really

0:43:08.680 --> 0:43:11.640
<v Speaker 4>removes a big chunk of what the Act is supposed

0:43:11.640 --> 0:43:11.960
<v Speaker 4>to do.

0:43:12.160 --> 0:43:15.280
<v Speaker 6>So if it's going to end up in the Supreme

0:43:15.320 --> 0:43:18.080
<v Speaker 6>Court in the meantime, do they get to operate under

0:43:18.160 --> 0:43:21.680
<v Speaker 6>this new definition of harm or.

0:43:21.880 --> 0:43:24.800
<v Speaker 4>Well, there's lawsuits that have already been filed, I believe,

0:43:24.880 --> 0:43:28.600
<v Speaker 4>but I don't know whether the court will issue an

0:43:28.600 --> 0:43:33.040
<v Speaker 4>injunction to stop the administration from putting this rule into effect.

0:43:33.120 --> 0:43:37.239
<v Speaker 4>But as of right now in September, this rule takes

0:43:37.280 --> 0:43:42.279
<v Speaker 4>effect whereby habitat destruction is no longer covered under the

0:43:42.320 --> 0:43:46.320
<v Speaker 4>definition of harm, which is hard to wrap your mind around,

0:43:46.320 --> 0:43:48.160
<v Speaker 4>but that's sort of where we are.

0:43:48.560 --> 0:43:53.000
<v Speaker 1>Man. These guys got a case of the ass against Yeah.

0:43:54.400 --> 0:43:56.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and it's you know, it's one of those things

0:43:56.400 --> 0:44:01.360
<v Speaker 4>like I feel like every every person in our community

0:44:01.400 --> 0:44:04.400
<v Speaker 4>that cares about wildlife and cares about habitat and wild places,

0:44:04.440 --> 0:44:08.680
<v Speaker 4>like we can all acknowledge that the Endangered Species Act

0:44:08.960 --> 0:44:11.760
<v Speaker 4>has been weaponized in some instance. It's like there's ways

0:44:11.800 --> 0:44:15.680
<v Speaker 4>to improve it, right, but to do away with this

0:44:15.840 --> 0:44:19.479
<v Speaker 4>chunk of it, which seems awful important if you want

0:44:19.520 --> 0:44:23.839
<v Speaker 4>these species to survive, Like it's it's kind of taking

0:44:23.880 --> 0:44:25.719
<v Speaker 4>it an act to the whole thing when when I

0:44:25.760 --> 0:44:26.560
<v Speaker 4>think most.

0:44:26.560 --> 0:44:30.279
<v Speaker 6>Well, I don't think it's that the concern is with wildlife. Yeah,

0:44:30.560 --> 0:44:33.719
<v Speaker 6>the concern is with for sure, development and energy extraction

0:44:33.840 --> 0:44:34.600
<v Speaker 6>and stuff like that.

0:44:34.920 --> 0:44:35.279
<v Speaker 1>For sure.

0:44:35.520 --> 0:44:38.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. It removes a lot of roadblocks to things like

0:44:39.120 --> 0:44:40.640
<v Speaker 4>as you say, development.

0:44:40.280 --> 0:44:42.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there are some real significant pain points in the

0:44:43.120 --> 0:44:47.719
<v Speaker 1>Danger Species Act, I mean most the most obvious example

0:44:47.760 --> 0:44:52.600
<v Speaker 1>of that is the way wolves and grizzlies have been

0:44:52.600 --> 0:44:57.480
<v Speaker 1>handled where in the case of grizzlies for decades, you

0:44:57.560 --> 0:45:04.480
<v Speaker 1>have decades where grizzlies have reached recovery status as defined

0:45:04.480 --> 0:45:08.360
<v Speaker 1>when they were listed, but people block the d listing

0:45:10.200 --> 0:45:15.120
<v Speaker 1>because they view it as my favorite Animal Protection Act.

0:45:15.360 --> 0:45:18.440
<v Speaker 1>That sort of thing creates a lot of ill will

0:45:19.840 --> 0:45:22.680
<v Speaker 1>towards the Endangered Species Act, where people just look at

0:45:22.680 --> 0:45:27.240
<v Speaker 1>these ridiculous examples of people weaponizing the ESA. It creates

0:45:27.280 --> 0:45:29.960
<v Speaker 1>all kinds of animosity towards the essay, and then you

0:45:30.000 --> 0:45:32.160
<v Speaker 1>get actions like this. I'm not trying to blame certain

0:45:32.200 --> 0:45:34.080
<v Speaker 1>people for it as well, I'm saying then you get

0:45:34.120 --> 0:45:37.640
<v Speaker 1>people that are like, all right, I'm done with the

0:45:37.680 --> 0:45:38.319
<v Speaker 1>whole damn thing.

0:45:38.480 --> 0:45:42.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's a polarized I mean, it's a legitimately polarizing

0:45:42.680 --> 0:45:45.040
<v Speaker 4>topic because of the way that it's played out in

0:45:46.160 --> 0:45:49.320
<v Speaker 4>contemporary politics, especially like in the West here. But man

0:45:50.520 --> 0:45:54.439
<v Speaker 4>to say that the whole thing is rotten is maybe

0:45:54.480 --> 0:45:55.279
<v Speaker 4>a step too far.

0:45:57.840 --> 0:46:01.000
<v Speaker 1>One point about it, And there's one hundred ways to

0:46:01.000 --> 0:46:04.480
<v Speaker 1>get into this. Yeah, only two percent of the species

0:46:04.480 --> 0:46:07.440
<v Speaker 1>that go on the Endangered Species Act come off because

0:46:07.440 --> 0:46:11.759
<v Speaker 1>of recovery. Two percent things come off because they didn't

0:46:11.760 --> 0:46:15.080
<v Speaker 1>deserve listing in the first place. Things come off because

0:46:16.160 --> 0:46:24.120
<v Speaker 1>they're extinct. Things. Two percent there's some big examples, bald eagles, whatever.

0:46:24.440 --> 0:46:26.960
<v Speaker 1>Two percent come off because it worked. So that's another thing.

0:46:27.000 --> 0:46:29.440
<v Speaker 1>People will look and be like, well it doesn't work anyways.

0:46:29.960 --> 0:46:34.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, I mean it's one of

0:46:34.480 --> 0:46:40.440
<v Speaker 4>those things too. It's just like governance is messy. You

0:46:40.520 --> 0:46:42.480
<v Speaker 4>write a law with the best of intentions, and it

0:46:42.520 --> 0:46:46.400
<v Speaker 4>can be used in any number of ways through litigation

0:46:46.560 --> 0:46:51.040
<v Speaker 4>and all kinds of stuff. To you know, there's tons

0:46:51.040 --> 0:46:54.080
<v Speaker 4>of different perspectives on the ESSA, But like just getting

0:46:54.160 --> 0:46:59.319
<v Speaker 4>rid of harm, including habitat, is wildly sort of like

0:46:59.360 --> 0:47:03.160
<v Speaker 4>a huge like leap in imagination.

0:47:03.480 --> 0:47:06.160
<v Speaker 1>Like let's say, for for some reason, just you already

0:47:06.160 --> 0:47:07.560
<v Speaker 1>made it this point, that's why I double make it.

0:47:07.840 --> 0:47:11.800
<v Speaker 1>Let's say there's a there's a particular cliff face, and

0:47:11.840 --> 0:47:14.560
<v Speaker 1>there's a type of swallow the nests on that cliff face,

0:47:15.160 --> 0:47:19.040
<v Speaker 1>and it's the only place though swallows ever nest. Some

0:47:19.080 --> 0:47:21.279
<v Speaker 1>guy says, I want to blow that cliff face up.

0:47:22.680 --> 0:47:24.680
<v Speaker 1>Historically'd have been like, well, you can't blow that up,

0:47:25.200 --> 0:47:27.800
<v Speaker 1>because that's an endangered swallow. The nests on that cliff

0:47:27.800 --> 0:47:31.360
<v Speaker 1>face now would be like, Okay, wait till all the

0:47:31.440 --> 0:47:35.280
<v Speaker 1>swallows are off, right, then you can blow the cliff

0:47:35.280 --> 0:47:38.640
<v Speaker 1>face up. That way, you're not technically taking any of

0:47:38.680 --> 0:47:39.320
<v Speaker 1>the swallows.

0:47:39.480 --> 0:47:40.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:47:40.080 --> 0:47:43.560
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, It's not like the people who crafted this actually

0:47:43.600 --> 0:47:47.759
<v Speaker 6>believe that destroying habitat is not quote harm.

0:47:47.960 --> 0:47:49.759
<v Speaker 1>Like they know they're being cute, right yeah.

0:47:49.840 --> 0:47:50.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:47:51.320 --> 0:47:52.400
<v Speaker 1>So. Uh.

0:47:52.560 --> 0:47:55.440
<v Speaker 2>Something that got my attention was Randall saying that Noah

0:47:55.560 --> 0:47:58.279
<v Speaker 2>is under the Department of Commerce, which I didn't know

0:47:58.680 --> 0:48:00.840
<v Speaker 2>and I never considered where it was rolled up in

0:48:00.840 --> 0:48:03.640
<v Speaker 2>the government. I knew it wasn't DOI, but I googled

0:48:03.640 --> 0:48:06.360
<v Speaker 2>why would it be under Commerce? It was created in

0:48:06.440 --> 0:48:10.960
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy, Noah was and the most famous driving reason

0:48:11.000 --> 0:48:14.840
<v Speaker 2>for Noah's placement was a political feud between President Richard

0:48:14.920 --> 0:48:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Nixon and his Secretary of the Interior, Wally Hickel. Following

0:48:20.040 --> 0:48:24.600
<v Speaker 2>the nineteen seventy Kent State shootings, Wally wrote a public

0:48:24.719 --> 0:48:30.640
<v Speaker 2>letter criticizing the Nixon administration, criticizing their handling of the

0:48:30.760 --> 0:48:34.520
<v Speaker 2>Vietnam War demonstrators and urged the president to listen to

0:48:34.560 --> 0:48:39.160
<v Speaker 2>the youth. Furious with Wally's public defiance, Nixon chose to

0:48:39.200 --> 0:48:43.840
<v Speaker 2>punish him by stripping the proposed Oceanic and Atmospheric Agency

0:48:43.920 --> 0:48:48.480
<v Speaker 2>from the DOIS purview. Instead, he had in the agency

0:48:49.040 --> 0:48:53.719
<v Speaker 2>to the Commerce Secretary. Maurice stands a loyal ally. So

0:48:53.760 --> 0:48:55.640
<v Speaker 2>that's how we got to where Noah is under the

0:48:55.680 --> 0:48:57.759
<v Speaker 2>Department of Commerce, which when you hear, you're like, well,

0:48:57.760 --> 0:49:01.080
<v Speaker 2>that seems weird, and there's a reason why it is

0:49:01.120 --> 0:49:01.760
<v Speaker 2>so wed.

0:49:01.880 --> 0:49:06.239
<v Speaker 1>Ten soldiers and Nixons come, we're fun. Oh I could

0:49:06.280 --> 0:49:06.440
<v Speaker 1>do it.

0:49:09.120 --> 0:49:11.279
<v Speaker 2>I know, Phil can. He just doesn't want to. No,

0:49:11.360 --> 0:49:11.840
<v Speaker 2>I can't.

0:49:13.520 --> 0:49:21.560
<v Speaker 1>That's cool. I don't mean that second. Oh, go on wildfire,

0:49:22.120 --> 0:49:23.200
<v Speaker 1>make money on wildfires.

0:49:23.320 --> 0:49:26.520
<v Speaker 5>No, we're talking about daylight savings time and if it's

0:49:26.560 --> 0:49:27.440
<v Speaker 5>going to become permanent.

0:49:28.480 --> 0:49:30.440
<v Speaker 1>This, this whole thing is so confusing to me. I

0:49:30.480 --> 0:49:30.759
<v Speaker 1>got you.

0:49:30.880 --> 0:49:33.080
<v Speaker 5>We're gonna clear it all up. There's did the farmers

0:49:33.160 --> 0:49:33.640
<v Speaker 5>start it?

0:49:33.719 --> 0:49:38.200
<v Speaker 1>Was it? Ben Franklin? Two hours? One hour? We're gonna

0:49:38.200 --> 0:49:38.799
<v Speaker 1>clear it all up.

0:49:39.160 --> 0:49:41.520
<v Speaker 5>So right now, the House of Representative has passed the

0:49:41.600 --> 0:49:46.000
<v Speaker 5>Sunshine Protection Act, which is not the first time they've

0:49:46.120 --> 0:49:49.120
<v Speaker 5>they've brought this bill up. It's a bill to make

0:49:49.239 --> 0:49:51.520
<v Speaker 5>DST or Daylight Savings Time permanent.

0:49:51.880 --> 0:49:52.520
<v Speaker 1>What does that mean?

0:49:52.960 --> 0:49:56.720
<v Speaker 5>Daylight savings time permanent daylight savings time means one hunter's

0:49:56.800 --> 0:49:59.640
<v Speaker 5>legal shooting shooting light comes at seven oh five am

0:49:59.680 --> 0:50:02.480
<v Speaker 5>and an others at nine to twelve in the same

0:50:02.560 --> 0:50:05.520
<v Speaker 5>time zone, in this case Central time. This gives an

0:50:05.560 --> 0:50:08.160
<v Speaker 5>extra hour of shooting daylight in the afternoon. And so

0:50:08.160 --> 0:50:10.840
<v Speaker 5>the question we're going to examine is the extra afternoon

0:50:10.880 --> 0:50:11.759
<v Speaker 5>light worth it?

0:50:12.000 --> 0:50:16.240
<v Speaker 4>Yes, all right, we got on and I'm already confused.

0:50:16.280 --> 0:50:18.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm already confused, And I hope you're not making the

0:50:18.160 --> 0:50:23.319
<v Speaker 1>mistake of thinking that the numbers we apply to this

0:50:23.320 --> 0:50:25.520
<v Speaker 1>somehow affects how many hours of daylight there are.

0:50:25.480 --> 0:50:28.839
<v Speaker 5>No, It's all relative to work hours. That's what I'm

0:50:28.840 --> 0:50:33.040
<v Speaker 5>talking about, Yes, because we'll get into it.

0:50:33.360 --> 0:50:35.319
<v Speaker 2>When I was in college, this is the one thing

0:50:35.360 --> 0:50:37.680
<v Speaker 2>that got me to write an email to a politician

0:50:38.440 --> 0:50:41.760
<v Speaker 2>was that when the time would change when it does,

0:50:43.160 --> 0:50:45.120
<v Speaker 2>the bars would still stay open un till two am.

0:50:45.440 --> 0:50:47.799
<v Speaker 2>But now the sun's coming up an hour earlier. So

0:50:47.880 --> 0:50:50.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm losing an hour of sleep now every time the

0:50:50.239 --> 0:50:52.279
<v Speaker 2>clocks roll back. So I'm like, we got to get

0:50:52.280 --> 0:50:55.120
<v Speaker 2>this fixed. We need that extra hour in the afternoon

0:50:55.520 --> 0:50:57.440
<v Speaker 2>instead of in the morning, because I'm not going to

0:50:57.520 --> 0:51:00.759
<v Speaker 2>leave the bars early to make it up for shooting light.

0:51:00.840 --> 0:51:02.320
<v Speaker 2>So I'm looking out for those kids.

0:51:02.160 --> 0:51:05.080
<v Speaker 1>The drinkers. Yes, okay, take it away.

0:51:05.080 --> 0:51:07.000
<v Speaker 5>So to answer this question, we're going to go way back.

0:51:07.239 --> 0:51:10.120
<v Speaker 5>What is daylight savings and where to come from? A

0:51:10.160 --> 0:51:12.840
<v Speaker 5>plain definition is that daylight savings time is the practice

0:51:12.920 --> 0:51:15.680
<v Speaker 5>setting our clocks one hour ahead of standard time in

0:51:15.719 --> 0:51:18.360
<v Speaker 5>the warmer months, so a given stretch of daylight lands

0:51:18.440 --> 0:51:21.000
<v Speaker 5>later in the day. We moved the clocks forward one

0:51:21.040 --> 0:51:23.440
<v Speaker 5>hour on the second Sunday in March and back one

0:51:23.480 --> 0:51:26.520
<v Speaker 5>hour on the first Sunday in November. The origins of

0:51:26.560 --> 0:51:29.359
<v Speaker 5>daylight savings time can be traced to Ben Franklin, though

0:51:29.400 --> 0:51:32.719
<v Speaker 5>tenuously as US envoy to France. Ben Franklin published a

0:51:32.760 --> 0:51:36.240
<v Speaker 5>satirical essay that Parisians could save sixty four million pounds

0:51:36.280 --> 0:51:38.879
<v Speaker 5>of candle wax if people just woke up with the sun.

0:51:39.360 --> 0:51:42.320
<v Speaker 5>He did propose firing cannons at dawn, but never proposed

0:51:42.360 --> 0:51:45.560
<v Speaker 5>changing the clocks. Fast forward about one hundred years and

0:51:45.640 --> 0:51:49.920
<v Speaker 5>George Hudson, a New Zealand postal worker and entomologist, proposed

0:51:49.920 --> 0:51:52.720
<v Speaker 5>a two hour shift, primarily so he'd have more daylight

0:51:52.760 --> 0:51:54.120
<v Speaker 5>to collect bugs after work.

0:51:55.280 --> 0:51:57.440
<v Speaker 1>This little thing was ever observed this before with that

0:51:57.560 --> 0:52:01.040
<v Speaker 1>Ben Franklin smart man. Some don't know if families have

0:52:01.080 --> 0:52:03.040
<v Speaker 1>noticed that this.

0:52:03.080 --> 0:52:05.560
<v Speaker 5>Was October to March in the southern hemisphere, but same

0:52:05.760 --> 0:52:08.359
<v Speaker 5>for us its oppos in the northern. He didn't get

0:52:08.360 --> 0:52:10.719
<v Speaker 5>a whole lot of traction until nineteen oh seven, when

0:52:10.719 --> 0:52:15.480
<v Speaker 5>William Willett, an English builder, Royal Astronomical Society fellow and golfer,

0:52:15.840 --> 0:52:20.040
<v Speaker 5>proposed a similar advancement, but in four twenty minute increments

0:52:20.080 --> 0:52:23.320
<v Speaker 5>across the month of April and reversing that in September.

0:52:23.760 --> 0:52:27.160
<v Speaker 5>The stated benefits were more recreation, time less crime, less energy.

0:52:27.880 --> 0:52:31.120
<v Speaker 5>To Spencer's point, people in the past being done this

0:52:31.160 --> 0:52:33.880
<v Speaker 5>is a great example. We hate changing our clocks once.

0:52:34.239 --> 0:52:36.760
<v Speaker 5>This dude proposed changing it four times over a month.

0:52:37.320 --> 0:52:40.479
<v Speaker 5>The first official adoption is nineteen sixteen in Germany, which

0:52:40.640 --> 0:52:42.879
<v Speaker 5>was an effort to conserve coal for the World War

0:52:42.920 --> 0:52:46.719
<v Speaker 5>One war effort. This takes us, Oh yeah, Germany was

0:52:46.719 --> 0:52:47.279
<v Speaker 5>the first one.

0:52:49.000 --> 0:52:52.239
<v Speaker 1>That's how this started, yep. Now grant other plots for

0:52:52.280 --> 0:52:53.080
<v Speaker 1>world domination.

0:52:54.400 --> 0:52:56.759
<v Speaker 5>I mean within months the rest of Europe adopted it

0:52:57.120 --> 0:52:58.880
<v Speaker 5>for the same reason, so there seemed to be some

0:52:58.920 --> 0:52:59.359
<v Speaker 5>merit there.

0:53:00.040 --> 0:53:00.879
<v Speaker 1>Fast forward two years.

0:53:00.920 --> 0:53:03.640
<v Speaker 5>Nineteen eighteen, the US adopts DSD for the same reason,

0:53:03.719 --> 0:53:08.040
<v Speaker 5>but repealed in nineteen nineteen after the war amid public complaint,

0:53:08.160 --> 0:53:11.040
<v Speaker 5>much of it from the agricultural community. I'd always thought

0:53:11.040 --> 0:53:13.080
<v Speaker 5>that the agg community loved daylight savings time, like that

0:53:13.160 --> 0:53:13.800
<v Speaker 5>was the whole point.

0:53:14.040 --> 0:53:16.000
<v Speaker 1>It is not the case. They do not like it.

0:53:17.320 --> 0:53:21.240
<v Speaker 5>Nineteen twenties, DSD becomes optional daylight savings time. There's limited

0:53:21.239 --> 0:53:23.919
<v Speaker 5>local adoptions, pretty patchy throughout the US. There's all sorts

0:53:23.960 --> 0:53:27.840
<v Speaker 5>of issues with trains and trick commerce and whatnot. Nineteen

0:53:27.920 --> 0:53:31.520
<v Speaker 5>forty two, FDR institutes year round wartime, which is year

0:53:31.600 --> 0:53:34.919
<v Speaker 5>round daylight savings for energy saving. In nineteen forty five,

0:53:34.920 --> 0:53:37.920
<v Speaker 5>three years later, wartimes repealed. States and cities set their

0:53:37.920 --> 0:53:40.840
<v Speaker 5>own rules again. It results in this patchwork and confusion

0:53:40.920 --> 0:53:44.920
<v Speaker 5>peaks in nineteen fifty four when, for example, New England

0:53:44.960 --> 0:53:47.680
<v Speaker 5>extends through October while all their states end in September,

0:53:47.719 --> 0:53:49.759
<v Speaker 5>and then some go to November and some do one hour,

0:53:49.840 --> 0:53:51.840
<v Speaker 5>some staggered, and so it's a mess.

0:53:52.160 --> 0:53:53.440
<v Speaker 1>They've delivered that for about.

0:53:53.200 --> 0:53:55.800
<v Speaker 5>Twenty more years, and in nineteen sixty six the Uniform

0:53:55.880 --> 0:53:59.359
<v Speaker 5>Time Act is passed, which standardized DST from the last

0:53:59.400 --> 0:54:03.600
<v Speaker 5>Sunday in eight to the last Saturday in October. That

0:54:03.800 --> 0:54:07.080
<v Speaker 5>said states may exempt themselves, which is how Arizona, Hawaii,

0:54:07.080 --> 0:54:10.799
<v Speaker 5>and portions of Indiana were exempted. You'll also notice when

0:54:10.840 --> 0:54:14.200
<v Speaker 5>we look at these lines, there's a creep the boundaries,

0:54:14.239 --> 0:54:18.160
<v Speaker 5>creep where the western edges push to escape those late sunrises.

0:54:20.440 --> 0:54:23.320
<v Speaker 5>Nineteen seventy four to seventy five, the same thing's enacted

0:54:23.360 --> 0:54:25.800
<v Speaker 5>during the oil embargo. They enact year around DST to

0:54:25.840 --> 0:54:28.920
<v Speaker 5>save energy. There's a ton of public backlash, specifically sighting

0:54:29.239 --> 0:54:31.879
<v Speaker 5>kids going to school in the dark, and within eight

0:54:31.920 --> 0:54:34.080
<v Speaker 5>months they roll it back to the standard six months,

0:54:34.360 --> 0:54:35.359
<v Speaker 5>on again and off again.

0:54:37.360 --> 0:54:40.320
<v Speaker 1>Just be clear here, when they're talking about energy savings,

0:54:40.360 --> 0:54:44.240
<v Speaker 1>they mean that it's an hour less that you'll spend

0:54:44.320 --> 0:54:46.480
<v Speaker 1>dicking around your house at night with the lights on.

0:54:46.640 --> 0:54:48.880
<v Speaker 5>It's the lights on which we'll get into and now

0:54:49.000 --> 0:54:51.360
<v Speaker 5>it seems to be offset by AC and all the

0:54:51.360 --> 0:54:54.040
<v Speaker 5>other things that take energy. Two thousand and five, the

0:54:54.120 --> 0:54:58.840
<v Speaker 5>Energy Policy Act extends DST from the March to October,

0:54:59.080 --> 0:55:02.480
<v Speaker 5>or i'm sorry, from April October to March to November.

0:55:02.719 --> 0:55:04.680
<v Speaker 5>And that's what we have today. And it was mostly

0:55:04.960 --> 0:55:08.000
<v Speaker 5>energy related. The current Sunshine Protection Act introduced in the

0:55:08.040 --> 0:55:10.400
<v Speaker 5>Senate originally in twenty eighteen, then again in twenty twenty one,

0:55:10.719 --> 0:55:13.719
<v Speaker 5>then in twenty twenty two, has been reintroduced again here

0:55:13.719 --> 0:55:15.480
<v Speaker 5>in the House in twenty twenty six and passed and

0:55:15.520 --> 0:55:19.360
<v Speaker 5>sitting with the Senate. So there's this long history of

0:55:19.480 --> 0:55:22.719
<v Speaker 5>daylight savings and the ultimately the main critique is that

0:55:22.960 --> 0:55:24.879
<v Speaker 5>it just needs to be the same across the board,

0:55:24.920 --> 0:55:27.440
<v Speaker 5>whether it's early or late whatever, just the end of

0:55:27.440 --> 0:55:27.920
<v Speaker 5>the session.

0:55:28.040 --> 0:55:31.360
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, why daylight? Why do they want to go with

0:55:31.480 --> 0:55:35.400
<v Speaker 6>permanent daylight savings time versus permanent standard times.

0:55:36.000 --> 0:55:37.840
<v Speaker 5>It's basically a trade off if you want time in

0:55:37.880 --> 0:55:39.000
<v Speaker 5>the morning or time at night.

0:55:39.320 --> 0:55:40.279
<v Speaker 3>And that's the question.

0:55:41.719 --> 0:55:45.200
<v Speaker 1>Daylight in the morning. So they're talking about I'll just

0:55:45.200 --> 0:55:47.239
<v Speaker 1>go take the perspective of the dumb guy out there,

0:55:47.920 --> 0:55:51.960
<v Speaker 1>because that's where I'm at on this. This means you

0:55:51.960 --> 0:55:54.279
<v Speaker 1>don't have to message your clock anymore. The goal is

0:55:54.320 --> 0:55:59.680
<v Speaker 1>to never change the clock. Okay, yep, So just you

0:55:59.800 --> 0:56:03.840
<v Speaker 1>are are you going to adopt the fall time for

0:56:04.000 --> 0:56:04.759
<v Speaker 1>the springtime?

0:56:04.880 --> 0:56:05.080
<v Speaker 4>Yes?

0:56:05.400 --> 0:56:06.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't care.

0:56:06.239 --> 0:56:08.759
<v Speaker 5>Well, it's are you going to adopt the permanent summertime

0:56:08.880 --> 0:56:11.879
<v Speaker 5>or the permanent winter time? Because that's when it changed

0:56:11.920 --> 0:56:13.960
<v Speaker 5>that sixes. To me, I support the sole thing, So

0:56:14.000 --> 0:56:15.600
<v Speaker 5>I think the whole clock change the thing is dumb.

0:56:15.640 --> 0:56:17.879
<v Speaker 1>Agreed. Yeah, so I'll tell you why later.

0:56:18.840 --> 0:56:21.440
<v Speaker 5>Let's let's just clarify terms, because I think we need

0:56:21.480 --> 0:56:23.399
<v Speaker 5>at this point. What we do currently is we switch

0:56:23.440 --> 0:56:25.719
<v Speaker 5>twice a year, spring forward one hour and fall back.

0:56:25.760 --> 0:56:26.480
<v Speaker 3>Everyone hates it.

0:56:26.960 --> 0:56:30.160
<v Speaker 5>There's been permanent standard time, which is what Steve's talking about,

0:56:30.160 --> 0:56:33.520
<v Speaker 5>where we stop switching. We keep the quote unquote natural clock,

0:56:33.719 --> 0:56:36.880
<v Speaker 5>which has lighter mornings and darker evenings and happens to

0:56:36.920 --> 0:56:40.320
<v Speaker 5>be recommended by most sleep scientists and the American Academy's medicine.

0:56:40.760 --> 0:56:44.680
<v Speaker 5>And then what the what Congress is passing is permanent DST,

0:56:44.719 --> 0:56:48.120
<v Speaker 5>which is to lock the clocks one hour ahead forever,

0:56:48.640 --> 0:56:50.440
<v Speaker 5>lighter evenings, darker mornings.

0:56:50.440 --> 0:56:51.600
<v Speaker 4>Well until they changed it again.

0:56:52.440 --> 0:56:55.680
<v Speaker 1>Kids out having fun riding their bikes all summer long

0:56:55.760 --> 0:56:58.280
<v Speaker 1>at night, they need to get up in the morning.

0:56:58.800 --> 0:57:01.520
<v Speaker 4>If I have one take away from your segments so far,

0:57:02.160 --> 0:57:04.800
<v Speaker 4>it's that it won't be forever, It'll be for twenty years.

0:57:04.960 --> 0:57:05.960
<v Speaker 6>There's a common.

0:57:07.200 --> 0:57:09.040
<v Speaker 5>In one of the studies I read, it said it

0:57:09.040 --> 0:57:12.960
<v Speaker 5>took us fifty years to get this standardized. What's next

0:57:14.239 --> 0:57:17.480
<v Speaker 5>so that said states can still opt out, which what

0:57:18.200 --> 0:57:20.160
<v Speaker 5>they if under this rule they have to be in

0:57:20.200 --> 0:57:22.360
<v Speaker 5>the same time zone. There's a few other stipulations. But

0:57:22.600 --> 0:57:25.240
<v Speaker 5>if you really hate this idea, your state can't opt out.

0:57:25.240 --> 0:57:28.680
<v Speaker 1>Would it be the Indianamal's right? All or wrong? Or right?

0:57:28.720 --> 0:57:32.040
<v Speaker 1>Are parts of it? Depends on what you think is important.

0:57:32.440 --> 0:57:37.440
<v Speaker 5>Arizona's Arizona, Hawaii and Hawaii the territories. None of them

0:57:37.480 --> 0:57:39.400
<v Speaker 5>observe it because they're near the equator and it doesn't

0:57:39.440 --> 0:57:39.840
<v Speaker 5>really matter.

0:57:39.880 --> 0:57:40.320
<v Speaker 1>It's just us.

0:57:41.040 --> 0:57:44.280
<v Speaker 5>But it does matter significantly, especially for the groups that

0:57:44.320 --> 0:57:46.280
<v Speaker 5>are at the two corners of the time zones, which

0:57:46.280 --> 0:57:49.320
<v Speaker 5>we're we're going to talk about. The time zones themselves

0:57:49.400 --> 0:57:52.320
<v Speaker 5>are an interesting little tidbit. So where where did these

0:57:52.360 --> 0:57:54.560
<v Speaker 5>come from? Toy the pros and cons? We need to

0:57:54.600 --> 0:57:57.400
<v Speaker 5>have a firm understanding of those time zones themselves, because

0:57:57.440 --> 0:58:00.320
<v Speaker 5>the impact of this proposal is drastically different if you live,

0:58:01.120 --> 0:58:04.400
<v Speaker 5>say in the northeast corner or I'm sorry, the northwest

0:58:04.400 --> 0:58:08.120
<v Speaker 5>corner of North Dakota, which is the top northwest corner

0:58:08.200 --> 0:58:12.360
<v Speaker 5>of the Central time zone, or Panama City, which is

0:58:12.640 --> 0:58:16.240
<v Speaker 5>the far southeast corner of the central time zone. So

0:58:16.280 --> 0:58:20.360
<v Speaker 5>these time zones came originally from the astronomical societies. Basically

0:58:20.400 --> 0:58:23.600
<v Speaker 5>they wanted twenty four worldwide meridians, which is fifteen degrees apart,

0:58:24.320 --> 0:58:26.520
<v Speaker 5>and that would that would collapse all these different railroad

0:58:26.520 --> 0:58:29.280
<v Speaker 5>times into four time zones across the US Eastern Central Mountain,

0:58:29.280 --> 0:58:32.440
<v Speaker 5>Pacific and ever. Every time zone is built around the

0:58:32.480 --> 0:58:35.680
<v Speaker 5>central line of line of longitude where the clock is

0:58:35.720 --> 0:58:42.040
<v Speaker 5>supposed to match. Noon would line up with that meridian perfectly,

0:58:42.080 --> 0:58:43.280
<v Speaker 5>and so that's why it's in the middle of these

0:58:43.360 --> 0:58:43.880
<v Speaker 5>time zones.

0:58:43.960 --> 0:58:44.360
<v Speaker 1>That's great.

0:58:44.440 --> 0:58:47.080
<v Speaker 5>So instead of you know, like when you the time

0:58:47.160 --> 0:58:49.680
<v Speaker 5>zone line that you're basing it off, isn't the split

0:58:50.240 --> 0:58:53.440
<v Speaker 5>in between you know, Alabama and Georgia or wherever you're

0:58:53.440 --> 0:58:58.520
<v Speaker 5>split is it's the center of that Generally, the farther

0:58:58.560 --> 0:59:01.000
<v Speaker 5>east you go from that idian. So in this case,

0:59:01.080 --> 0:59:02.680
<v Speaker 5>let's take the center of the country and you're going

0:59:02.680 --> 0:59:07.480
<v Speaker 5>towards the edge of North Dakota. The the further east

0:59:07.560 --> 0:59:10.959
<v Speaker 5>you go, the earlier the sun runs against your clock mh.

0:59:11.480 --> 0:59:14.120
<v Speaker 5>The farther west you go so towards Florida, the later

0:59:14.160 --> 0:59:17.800
<v Speaker 5>it runs against your clock. To put it simply latitude

0:59:17.800 --> 0:59:21.400
<v Speaker 5>and longitude. Longitude east to west is when the sun

0:59:21.440 --> 0:59:24.720
<v Speaker 5>crosses your clock. Latitude north to south is how long

0:59:24.800 --> 0:59:29.880
<v Speaker 5>the day is. And both of those those get they

0:59:30.280 --> 0:59:34.120
<v Speaker 5>they stack at those corners, the northwest and southeast corners.

0:59:35.000 --> 0:59:37.560
<v Speaker 5>So Phil, if you don't mind pulling up that first

0:59:37.680 --> 0:59:40.160
<v Speaker 5>little slider guy that I've got, what we're gonna look

0:59:40.160 --> 0:59:45.120
<v Speaker 5>at is the two time zones for the for the

0:59:45.360 --> 0:59:46.760
<v Speaker 5>you know, we can choose, well, which time zone do

0:59:46.760 --> 0:59:47.960
<v Speaker 5>you guys want? Central?

0:59:48.040 --> 0:59:49.600
<v Speaker 4>It doesn't matter to me at all.

0:59:51.480 --> 0:59:53.440
<v Speaker 5>Which one Central?

0:59:53.800 --> 0:59:55.840
<v Speaker 1>Central is the largest, So click.

0:59:55.640 --> 0:59:59.120
<v Speaker 5>On Central in this case Wilston, North Dakota, and Panama City, Florida,

0:59:59.600 --> 1:00:02.640
<v Speaker 5>and you'll see in December twenty first you've got a

1:00:02.800 --> 1:00:05.640
<v Speaker 5>nine to forty two am wake up in North Dakota

1:00:05.840 --> 1:00:10.160
<v Speaker 5>versus seven thirty five sunset. Isn't that drastically different? But

1:00:10.200 --> 1:00:12.840
<v Speaker 5>that wake up is crazy. Now if you go back,

1:00:12.960 --> 1:00:15.280
<v Speaker 5>let's let's take it to let's call it November seventh.

1:00:17.080 --> 1:00:18.680
<v Speaker 5>What you're looking at here, and this is how you

1:00:18.720 --> 1:00:21.520
<v Speaker 5>can measure from a hunter's perspective, you'd be eight forty

1:00:21.600 --> 1:00:25.080
<v Speaker 5>nine am under permanent standard daylight savings time, which is

1:00:25.840 --> 1:00:28.320
<v Speaker 5>you can't hunt before work. And I'm only talking weekdays here,

1:00:28.320 --> 1:00:31.080
<v Speaker 5>I'm not talking weekends. You're not gonna hunt before work

1:00:31.560 --> 1:00:33.840
<v Speaker 5>with an eight forty nine am sunrise.

1:00:33.880 --> 1:00:35.640
<v Speaker 2>But I don't think you're hunting before work when it's

1:00:35.760 --> 1:00:36.800
<v Speaker 2>seventh exactly.

1:00:36.880 --> 1:00:38.600
<v Speaker 5>That is my whole point is, I don't think it

1:00:38.640 --> 1:00:41.480
<v Speaker 5>matters because you know, take an hour off this you're

1:00:41.560 --> 1:00:44.960
<v Speaker 5>gonna go if if you sunrise shooting light isn't until

1:00:45.320 --> 1:00:47.960
<v Speaker 5>seven fifteen, you're not gonna get that sit in before

1:00:48.680 --> 1:00:49.120
<v Speaker 5>So I.

1:00:49.120 --> 1:00:51.600
<v Speaker 1>Don't know man's gonna if you work here. People just

1:00:51.640 --> 1:00:53.040
<v Speaker 1>do what they want all the time. Anyway.

1:00:53.840 --> 1:00:57.880
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, now that said after work, you got great options

1:00:58.160 --> 1:01:01.960
<v Speaker 5>six twenty eight sundown, so shooting ends at seven. Dude,

1:01:02.000 --> 1:01:03.800
<v Speaker 5>you can sneak out of work at four, hop up

1:01:03.840 --> 1:01:04.920
<v Speaker 5>in your tree stand.

1:01:04.680 --> 1:01:07.040
<v Speaker 1>And you got two hours to hunt cat. You're a

1:01:07.080 --> 1:01:12.280
<v Speaker 1>dirty secret with you, please. I used to like when

1:01:12.320 --> 1:01:18.000
<v Speaker 1>they switched the clocks for fall bow hunting, because you'd

1:01:18.000 --> 1:01:19.720
<v Speaker 1>get out of school, your old man pick you up

1:01:19.720 --> 1:01:22.880
<v Speaker 1>at school, rush you out to sit in the tree stand,

1:01:23.440 --> 1:01:25.480
<v Speaker 1>and you just got to the magic hour that much

1:01:25.560 --> 1:01:29.080
<v Speaker 1>quicker before it felt like you were up there forever.

1:01:30.560 --> 1:01:32.480
<v Speaker 1>But then all of a sudden, you just rush out

1:01:32.520 --> 1:01:34.000
<v Speaker 1>there and the minute you get in your tree, dude,

1:01:34.440 --> 1:01:36.840
<v Speaker 1>it's the magic hour. I think for I used to

1:01:36.920 --> 1:01:39.440
<v Speaker 1>look forward to it because it shortened how long you

1:01:39.480 --> 1:01:40.640
<v Speaker 1>had to sit in your tree before.

1:01:40.640 --> 1:01:43.480
<v Speaker 6>He saw something I used to get like ninety minutes

1:01:43.520 --> 1:01:45.960
<v Speaker 6>after school where you know, which was perfect.

1:01:46.160 --> 1:01:49.640
<v Speaker 1>You're like, because my be up there for a million hours. Yeah,

1:01:50.040 --> 1:01:50.200
<v Speaker 1>you know.

1:01:51.080 --> 1:01:53.479
<v Speaker 5>Well I'm sorry for the kiddies, but for the people

1:01:53.480 --> 1:01:55.560
<v Speaker 5>who have nine to fives, I think this is great news.

1:01:56.920 --> 1:01:59.000
<v Speaker 5>So what we're demonstrating here, and you could do it

1:01:59.040 --> 1:02:01.320
<v Speaker 5>across all the time zone you can check winter solstice

1:02:01.320 --> 1:02:04.720
<v Speaker 5>all the things, but you guys get it there. The

1:02:04.760 --> 1:02:07.760
<v Speaker 5>trade off is region regional, especially as you live on

1:02:07.800 --> 1:02:10.800
<v Speaker 5>the far extreams of these time zones, and so so

1:02:11.080 --> 1:02:11.320
<v Speaker 5>why it.

1:02:11.360 --> 1:02:12.200
<v Speaker 1>Matters to everyone?

1:02:12.240 --> 1:02:16.720
<v Speaker 5>There's there's very clearly documented associations with the time change. Specifically,

1:02:16.920 --> 1:02:19.960
<v Speaker 5>there's more car crashers, there's less robberies, there's more heart attacks,

1:02:20.000 --> 1:02:23.280
<v Speaker 5>more strokes, there's mood implications. I could go on, but ultimately,

1:02:23.600 --> 1:02:26.480
<v Speaker 5>what does it mean for us as hunters and for hunters?

1:02:26.520 --> 1:02:29.880
<v Speaker 5>There's a few elements. Energy usage is the first one.

1:02:31.400 --> 1:02:36.880
<v Speaker 5>There's this argument that daylight savings time increases energy efficiency

1:02:36.880 --> 1:02:38.680
<v Speaker 5>because you don't have your lights on as long because

1:02:38.680 --> 1:02:39.280
<v Speaker 5>the sun's up.

1:02:40.400 --> 1:02:41.160
<v Speaker 1>The jury's out.

1:02:41.280 --> 1:02:44.800
<v Speaker 5>It seems that the increased usage of home appliances in

1:02:44.880 --> 1:02:48.960
<v Speaker 5>ac during peak heat hours throughout the year after daylight

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<v Speaker 5>savings would actually offset that because lights have gotten so

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<v Speaker 5>efficient with LED lights and whatnot, as opposed to heating

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<v Speaker 5>up your oven at five o'clock when the sun's still

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<v Speaker 5>shining is going to be significantly more energy draining. And

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<v Speaker 5>so it's kind of a moot point from the rancher impact,

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<v Speaker 5>because we love our ranchers here. The switch is what's annoying.

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<v Speaker 5>It seems like they don't really care which ones which.

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<v Speaker 5>It's just like, choose one schedule. I want the milk

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<v Speaker 5>truck to show up at the same time every day.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't want my cows to have to change twice

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<v Speaker 5>a year for their schedule. Der vehicle collistion and that

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<v Speaker 5>was that was actually a tough one for me to

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<v Speaker 5>wrap my mind around, like why is that time really matter?

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<v Speaker 5>But if you had like a morning routine, like your

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<v Speaker 5>morning poop or something, and then someone said, oh wait,

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<v Speaker 5>actually you need to do that an hour earlier today,

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<v Speaker 5>twice a year it'd be super annoying to adjust all

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<v Speaker 5>your routines and so take up smoke and I feel

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<v Speaker 5>for the cows.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep. Another interesting one is der vehicle collisions.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a big one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, if you're a hunter, you're like, oh, okay, now

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<v Speaker 2>I'm convinced.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, we're getting even even more dialed.

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<v Speaker 5>So this is a study that covers one over one

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<v Speaker 5>million collisions and ninety six million hourly traffic observations. Collisions

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<v Speaker 5>are fourteen times more frequently two hours after sunset than before,

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<v Speaker 5>which is pretty clear. The fall back shift puts peak

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<v Speaker 5>tracks in the darkness at the time of the rut,

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<v Speaker 5>which also sees more deer injuries year round. DST would

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<v Speaker 5>prevent approximately thirty six and fifty deer deaths, thirty three

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<v Speaker 5>human deaths, twenty fifty four injuries, and one point two

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<v Speaker 5>billion dollars in costs annually. Permanent standard time, which would

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<v Speaker 5>be Not shifting the clocks would make collisions worse at

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<v Speaker 5>two point four billion dollars annually.

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<v Speaker 2>Thirty seven thousand more deer out there walking around if

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<v Speaker 2>we change the clocks, because they're not getting hit by vehicles.

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<v Speaker 1>Save big bucks, Save big bucks, Change good yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>you have a logo for that with a dollar sign

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<v Speaker 1>and a big buck and then in little letters.

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<v Speaker 4>Say take about the play on words. That's great.

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<v Speaker 5>And so finally, the ultimate question I wanted to answer

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<v Speaker 5>is your hunt scheduled. You have weekends or weekends, but

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<v Speaker 5>on a workday, if you're trying to get in before

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<v Speaker 5>or after, does permanent daylight saving time give you to

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<v Speaker 5>give hunters more hours before or after and to trade off?

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<v Speaker 5>And so Phil, if you can pull up that second slider,

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<v Speaker 5>what we're going to look at is total hunting minutes,

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<v Speaker 5>which I defined as before from thirty minutes prior to

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<v Speaker 5>sunrise up till eight am, and from four to thirty

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<v Speaker 5>pm til thirty minutes after sunrise.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is a workingmand's schedule here. Yeah, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>working man. Yeah exactly.

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<v Speaker 5>Like like I said, weekends or weekends, we're just trying

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<v Speaker 5>to sneak out after tea.

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<v Speaker 1>Your schedule.

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<v Speaker 5>Here you go, and in this case we'll we'll talk

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<v Speaker 5>again North Dakota and Panama City and what we can

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<v Speaker 5>do if you want to slide that towards November. Look

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<v Speaker 5>at that that second though. The blue is your morning

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<v Speaker 5>minutes that's available. The Orange is your afternoon minutes, and

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<v Speaker 5>so that top with the top row itself is standard time.

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<v Speaker 5>The second row is permanent DST or daylight savings, and

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<v Speaker 5>so you end up getting a few more minutes when

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<v Speaker 5>you switch in North Dakota. If you're down in Florida,

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<v Speaker 5>it doesn't really change. But then if you look at

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<v Speaker 5>the full year, so under Williston the second set of bars,

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<v Speaker 5>you end up with significantly more hours of sunrise under

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<v Speaker 5>this system than you do understandard and you can you

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<v Speaker 5>can apply that kind of across and again it's it's

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<v Speaker 5>it's greater at the northwest corner than it is in

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<v Speaker 5>the southeast.

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<v Speaker 1>And so there you go. I'm a big fan. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's great. Hmm. Yeah. If I was alive a

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<v Speaker 1>long time ago and someone would have brought this whole

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<v Speaker 1>thing up in the first place, Ben Franklin whatever, like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we're hanging out, I would have said, Man,

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<v Speaker 1>let's just no, let's just focus on something different. Like

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<v Speaker 1>this thing just seems like a headache. It's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>hard to get buy in. It just feels arbitrary.

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<v Speaker 5>It's taken like one hundred years.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like stuff just the season. I like the seasons.

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<v Speaker 4>Just no, if this sticks, it'll be really interesting in

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<v Speaker 4>like thirty or forty years to tell little kids about

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<v Speaker 4>how we used to change the class twice a year.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like they've been talking about changing this though

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<v Speaker 2>my whole life. This feels the closest it's ever come.

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<v Speaker 2>Because Trump said if it gets to his desk, he'll

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<v Speaker 2>sign it, and it would be a big win for Republic.

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<v Speaker 1>Because he's big. He's a big ball hunter. What he

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<v Speaker 1>gets off work, you know, his eyes up with the

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<v Speaker 1>old tree.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I bet it happens this time. This is it.

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<v Speaker 2>This is where we make the change permanent.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Man, we could go down through hunters, but we've gone

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<v Speaker 5>on for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you're good.

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<v Speaker 2>I do like Nate's note about upland retirees more daylight

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<v Speaker 2>to hunt, fewer clock change health risks.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm just saying that if you're hunting upland birds, you're

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<v Speaker 5>probably retired, so none of this matters to you anyways,

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<v Speaker 5>and you're just less likely to have a heart attack

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<v Speaker 5>with the black clock changing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's good report. I'm with you.

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<v Speaker 6>Back to Colorado, back on the fur band thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's dead.

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<v Speaker 6>They go anywhere Colorado Parks and Wildlife Commission voted six

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<v Speaker 6>to five that rejected the petition.

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<v Speaker 1>That was sixt to five. There's still five people.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, Polis has his people in there, right, they're

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<v Speaker 6>not going andwhere they actually put some new people on

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<v Speaker 6>which we could.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk about what if it would have passed, what if

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<v Speaker 2>it went into action at that point or was there

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<v Speaker 2>like another wow, yeah it.

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<v Speaker 6>Would I mean there would have been exceptions to to

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<v Speaker 6>think like flies felt hat stuff like that. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 6>it's it's it's done.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not happy good. I think I think we should

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<v Speaker 1>take credit for that. We should.

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<v Speaker 6>We got on commit One of the commissioners, Dallas May,

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<v Speaker 6>said CPW did a survey in April and fifty seven

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<v Speaker 6>percent of the public did not support that ban, so

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<v Speaker 6>you know they went along with with what the people wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sixty five is basically fifty exactly.

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<v Speaker 5>This was.

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<v Speaker 6>This was that original proposal by the Center for Biological

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<v Speaker 6>Diversity that we talked about a bunch, But we're moving

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<v Speaker 6>on forty three of Colorado's I know that feels that

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<v Speaker 6>you should not be able to sell or buy a

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<v Speaker 6>product to make from muskrat first. I mean, I'm not

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<v Speaker 6>in charge of the survey. But if you think about

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<v Speaker 6>where people live in Colorado, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>Like that concentrated number of people on the Front Range

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<v Speaker 6>that probably would have supported it.

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<v Speaker 1>It kind of makes it. I would get just talking.

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<v Speaker 4>I would have felt a lot better with a seven

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<v Speaker 4>to four commissioned vote.

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<v Speaker 6>This doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 1>Story. I was down and I gave a talk down

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<v Speaker 1>in San Antonio, Texas a weekend ago to Texas Wildife Association,

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<v Speaker 1>And in my talk, I was joking with them about

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<v Speaker 1>how everybody in Colorado always bitches about you people and

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<v Speaker 1>buying all their land. I used to. But I'm like

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<v Speaker 1>the way things are shaking out in Colorado. I would

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<v Speaker 1>say that the more the merrier, they need more texts,

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<v Speaker 1>they need more Texans to get that place straight back.

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<v Speaker 6>There's probably people from Colorado now that are moving to

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<v Speaker 6>Texas because.

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<v Speaker 4>They like the way things Austin.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, left wingers, this is a controversial state I'm

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<v Speaker 1>about to make. I don't want to get political. You

1:10:03.240 --> 1:10:05.920
<v Speaker 1>don't say lefties don't want to live in lefty states.

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<v Speaker 1>Not anymore lefties want to live in righty states. The

1:10:10.160 --> 1:10:14.200
<v Speaker 1>big lefty states lose population to the righty states. It's

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<v Speaker 1>so weird.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, demographics.

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<v Speaker 1>I try to live with someone bringing down my neck

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<v Speaker 1>all the time. But you know I don't want get political.

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<v Speaker 6>Yep, all right, we'll move on. They did have some

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<v Speaker 6>options they could have gone with, which was keep the

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<v Speaker 6>current regulations, ban the sale for products with exceptions, ban

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<v Speaker 6>the sale of raw pelts with exceptions. That all seemed confusing,

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<v Speaker 6>and they just got rid of the whole thing. The

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<v Speaker 6>second thing that happened at this meeting was that because

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<v Speaker 6>they couldn't just let the fur bear thing go completely,

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<v Speaker 6>is the Commission voted also six' five to impose new

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<v Speaker 6>daily bag limits on seventeen fur bear. Species now that

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<v Speaker 6>basically what that means is trappers and. Hunters, like the

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<v Speaker 6>coverage on THIS i felt like was kind of screwy

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<v Speaker 6>because everything mentioned, trapping nothing mentioned. Hunting it was definitely

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<v Speaker 6>like the coverage was aimed at like painting trapping a certain.

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<v Speaker 6>WAY i felt LIKE i kind of left the hunting

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<v Speaker 6>part of it out of. It but, anyway no more

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<v Speaker 6>than two animals per species per. Day those species are, badger, bobcat, beaver, coyote,

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<v Speaker 6>muskrat strip, skunk western spotted, skunk, raccoon red, fox, mink,

1:11:40.600 --> 1:11:45.719
<v Speaker 6>possum pine, martin ringtailed, cat gray, fox swift, fox long tailed,

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<v Speaker 6>weasel and short tail. Weasel that's it. NOW cpw proposed

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<v Speaker 6>a fifteen animal daily, limit which was largely a symbolic

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<v Speaker 6>cat because very few trappers would ever reach that. Number of,

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<v Speaker 6>course wildlife advoacy advocacy groups were, like, oh that's way too.

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<v Speaker 6>Many so they came up with a couple of different.

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<v Speaker 6>Options eight animals a day for common species that are

1:12:15.160 --> 1:12:19.080
<v Speaker 6>often considered like a nuisance for livestock, owners like, coyotes,

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<v Speaker 6>raccoons red, foxes four animals a day for less common

1:12:23.320 --> 1:12:29.280
<v Speaker 6>species like pine martin and. Mink, ultimately those options didn't go.

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<v Speaker 6>Through The commission adopted an even stricter, rule which was

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<v Speaker 6>the two per species per. Day this isn't, like this

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<v Speaker 6>isn't banning. Trapping you can still, trap kind of you?

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<v Speaker 4>CAN i CAN i ask you a stupid, Question, yeah

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<v Speaker 4>for like if you IF i were to say to

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<v Speaker 4>you you can only harvest four animals a, day we're

1:12:55.320 --> 1:12:59.519
<v Speaker 4>talking about martin and. Mink how does? That how does

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<v Speaker 4>that work out in? Practice because you're going to have

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<v Speaker 4>more than four traps out? THERE i, mean, like does

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<v Speaker 4>a good day turn into a bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Day, yeah what if you get? Six it's, yeah it's

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<v Speaker 1>meant to like really up end your, deal like if

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<v Speaker 1>you're setting it like it would be that if you're

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<v Speaker 1>trapping muskrat in muskrats, possums there's.

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<v Speaker 4>No you don't have, control there is no spe there.

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<v Speaker 1>Is no species concerned about these. Species but it would

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<v Speaker 1>mean that you'd be, like DO i make three sets,

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<v Speaker 1>right trusting that one of those sets doesn't pay?

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<v Speaker 6>Off that's what you would turn people into violators for.

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<v Speaker 4>You it's on its face it doesn't seem crazy because

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<v Speaker 4>people reach those, levels but it does kneecap you in

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<v Speaker 4>terms of how it plays out on the. Ground if

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<v Speaker 4>you want to stay in compliance.

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<v Speaker 1>Normally what you do when you're trying like a normal

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<v Speaker 1>state that is, interested a normal state that is interested

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<v Speaker 1>in like honest wildlife management does they when they look

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<v Speaker 1>at a species that's susceptible to over, harvest they create

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<v Speaker 1>unit wide. Quotas right in the unit wide, quota everyone

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<v Speaker 1>that gets, something say it's a. Bobcat everyone who gets

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<v Speaker 1>a bobcat calls a hotline or goes online reports their.

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<v Speaker 1>Bobcat as you approach the unit wide, quota you give

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<v Speaker 1>a twenty four hour or forty eight hour notice that

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<v Speaker 1>the season is, closing or if you're racing toward the,

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<v Speaker 1>quota they might call it knowing that in the next

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<v Speaker 1>forty eight hours the quota will be. Chieved that's like

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<v Speaker 1>a serious grown up way of handling this. Problem this

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<v Speaker 1>is a way meant to like kneecap, people, yeah and

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<v Speaker 1>prevent people from and basically criminalize normal activity based on.

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<v Speaker 6>Nothing and to be, clear like even, bobcats which are

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<v Speaker 6>regulated tightly in some, states like none of these species DID,

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<v Speaker 6>Cpw like none of them are biologically, unsustainable, Right like

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<v Speaker 6>even with no, limits the populations were doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Fine.

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<v Speaker 6>Right so it's just like this vote is just like

1:14:58.000 --> 1:15:03.799
<v Speaker 6>a broader trend In colorado towards restricting you, know things

1:15:03.840 --> 1:15:07.760
<v Speaker 6>like mountain lion, hunting, wolf wolf. Restoration. Thing like it's

1:15:07.800 --> 1:15:10.559
<v Speaker 6>all part of this trend to like make it harder

1:15:10.600 --> 1:15:16.840
<v Speaker 6>for people that hunt and. Trap, Now, like the thing

1:15:16.880 --> 1:15:23.400
<v Speaker 6>about this is is that impact practical impact on people

1:15:23.400 --> 1:15:27.240
<v Speaker 6>In colorado is probably not gonna Be there's not probably

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<v Speaker 6>not much to it because in nineteen ninety, Six amendment

1:15:31.240 --> 1:15:34.400
<v Speaker 6>fourteen Passing, colorado which banned the use of leg hole,

1:15:34.520 --> 1:15:39.120
<v Speaker 6>traps instant killed body gripping, traps, snares and poisons for

1:15:39.280 --> 1:15:41.680
<v Speaker 6>a hunting and fit or for hunting and. Trapping so

1:15:43.120 --> 1:15:45.760
<v Speaker 6>the only way you can trap In colorado is with

1:15:46.080 --> 1:15:50.599
<v Speaker 6>live box. Traps is that what They? Yeah, Yeah and

1:15:50.680 --> 1:15:54.080
<v Speaker 6>so like the practicality of like putting out a bunch

1:15:54.120 --> 1:15:56.519
<v Speaker 6>of live, traps it's just not, there like not, many

1:15:56.560 --> 1:15:59.760
<v Speaker 6>there's not many people doing it In. Colorado there's very

1:15:59.800 --> 1:16:04.920
<v Speaker 6>few high volume like commercial. Trappers so is this going

1:16:05.000 --> 1:16:08.160
<v Speaker 6>to have a big? IMPACT i don't think. So the

1:16:08.200 --> 1:16:13.600
<v Speaker 6>IMPACT i think you would see is on hunters probably

1:16:13.680 --> 1:16:19.160
<v Speaker 6>more than, trappers like things like shooting, coyotes you, know

1:16:20.000 --> 1:16:24.200
<v Speaker 6>to a. Day so that's kind of where it's. At.

1:16:25.400 --> 1:16:29.840
<v Speaker 6>Mark there's some interesting info here From Matt, eckert who's

1:16:29.880 --> 1:16:37.920
<v Speaker 6>A Cpw deputy assistant. Director unlimited unlimited daily bag limits

1:16:38.520 --> 1:16:40.840
<v Speaker 6>with live, trapping which is the only method of trapping,

1:16:40.880 --> 1:16:44.960
<v Speaker 6>allowed and. Hunting harvest numbers gathered from harvest surveys far

1:16:45.080 --> 1:16:49.360
<v Speaker 6>below the maximum allowable harvest that would be considered, Sustainable

1:16:49.439 --> 1:16:54.040
<v Speaker 6>so they're nowhere near again like endangering any of these.

1:16:54.080 --> 1:16:58.639
<v Speaker 6>Species the agency sold twenty thousand burbar permits last, year

1:16:59.160 --> 1:17:01.680
<v Speaker 6>eighty five percent end of those permit holders did not

1:17:01.800 --> 1:17:07.400
<v Speaker 6>harvest an. Animal so, whatever that's three thousand people with

1:17:08.520 --> 1:17:15.040
<v Speaker 6>furbear permits harvested you, know at least one. Animal so

1:17:15.120 --> 1:17:18.559
<v Speaker 6>it's just like not a big thing In, colorado but

1:17:18.640 --> 1:17:21.280
<v Speaker 6>it's definitely like a statement from the commission to like

1:17:21.400 --> 1:17:22.000
<v Speaker 6>just make it more.

1:17:22.040 --> 1:17:25.679
<v Speaker 1>Difficult these people are such little like there's such worms,

1:17:25.720 --> 1:17:28.640
<v Speaker 1>too because they they have an. Agenda they have like

1:17:28.680 --> 1:17:33.439
<v Speaker 1>an animal rights animal protectionist, agenda and over time they've

1:17:33.479 --> 1:17:39.080
<v Speaker 1>abandoned like the peda. Approach the peda approach is sort

1:17:39.080 --> 1:17:43.280
<v Speaker 1>of make noise socially, right make out landish claims higher

1:17:43.320 --> 1:17:47.799
<v Speaker 1>celebrities to do little celebrity spokesman bits that doesn't, work

1:17:49.200 --> 1:17:53.600
<v Speaker 1>and they've gotten shrewd enough now or they've adopted this

1:17:53.760 --> 1:17:58.920
<v Speaker 1>kind of language of wildlife management and they've infiltrated game.

1:17:58.920 --> 1:18:03.080
<v Speaker 1>Commissions they've entered the political sphere and they start using

1:18:03.120 --> 1:18:07.160
<v Speaker 1>the vernacular of people who sort of are invested in wildlife,

1:18:07.160 --> 1:18:11.479
<v Speaker 1>management who understand wildlife, management and they can they're achieving their.

1:18:11.640 --> 1:18:16.880
<v Speaker 1>Ends they're achieving their goals by. Masquerading, yeah and they're

1:18:17.000 --> 1:18:18.200
<v Speaker 1>undermining wildlife.

1:18:18.200 --> 1:18:22.920
<v Speaker 6>Professionals they're undermining like the effectiveness of the people that

1:18:22.960 --> 1:18:25.640
<v Speaker 6>are actually doing like the boots on the ground and

1:18:26.000 --> 1:18:29.040
<v Speaker 6>work and the and the work of collecting data like

1:18:29.400 --> 1:18:34.320
<v Speaker 6>they're they're making it so like the guidance and advice

1:18:34.400 --> 1:18:37.880
<v Speaker 6>of the agency is just like not. Valuable you, know a.

1:18:38.000 --> 1:18:41.519
<v Speaker 1>Thing that's something that brings up to. ME i want

1:18:41.560 --> 1:18:44.200
<v Speaker 1>to preface this by Saying i'm not, there But i've

1:18:44.240 --> 1:18:47.840
<v Speaker 1>always wondered about. This at what point would it? Be

1:18:49.880 --> 1:18:54.160
<v Speaker 1>this is a question everybody has asked. Themselves if wildlife

1:18:54.160 --> 1:18:57.000
<v Speaker 1>management in your, state are in this country in, general

1:18:57.840 --> 1:19:01.400
<v Speaker 1>veers so off course and the objective of it is,

1:19:01.479 --> 1:19:05.840
<v Speaker 1>lost at what point would you ever decide that you're

1:19:05.880 --> 1:19:07.800
<v Speaker 1>just going to do things the way that makes sense

1:19:07.840 --> 1:19:13.280
<v Speaker 1>to you and effectively become a vigilanti, individual, meaning you,

1:19:13.320 --> 1:19:20.000
<v Speaker 1>know if it got to where the mission was, lost

1:19:20.520 --> 1:19:26.000
<v Speaker 1>would you ever, say we've strayed so far from like

1:19:26.040 --> 1:19:30.839
<v Speaker 1>the conservation, objectives and we've strayed so far from anything

1:19:30.880 --> 1:19:33.160
<v Speaker 1>that makes. Sense i'm just going to do my own,

1:19:33.200 --> 1:19:37.439
<v Speaker 1>thing because BECAUSE i don't trust these people, anymore And

1:19:37.880 --> 1:19:40.519
<v Speaker 1>i'm not proposing anyone get. There BUT i always ask,

1:19:40.640 --> 1:19:43.360
<v Speaker 1>myself because there is a, point like all of a

1:19:43.400 --> 1:19:46.800
<v Speaker 1>sudden tomorrow they said all of a, sudden tomorrow the

1:19:47.120 --> 1:19:49.720
<v Speaker 1>animal rights people gain their, momentum and there's all a

1:19:49.720 --> 1:19:52.439
<v Speaker 1>sudden this like federal, law and some federal law comes

1:19:52.479 --> 1:19:59.280
<v Speaker 1>into place it is forbidden to consume wild, venison and

1:19:59.360 --> 1:20:02.679
<v Speaker 1>it's just against the. LAW i would at that point

1:20:02.880 --> 1:20:06.640
<v Speaker 1>become a. POACHER i just. Would, YEAH i wouldn't listen to.

1:20:06.640 --> 1:20:09.160
<v Speaker 1>It if there's a, thing you, know there's but there's

1:20:09.160 --> 1:20:11.080
<v Speaker 1>all but that that applies to all kinds of. Things

1:20:11.080 --> 1:20:14.479
<v Speaker 1>if it also became that free speech that's like generally

1:20:14.520 --> 1:20:16.880
<v Speaker 1>free speech is, PROHIBITED i would, BECOME i, guess a

1:20:16.920 --> 1:20:20.280
<v Speaker 1>free speech vigilanti and all sorts of. Measures but like

1:20:20.320 --> 1:20:22.479
<v Speaker 1>there's a point at WHICH i would, say you lost.

1:20:22.520 --> 1:20:24.360
<v Speaker 1>Me i'm kind of going on my own on this.

1:20:24.400 --> 1:20:26.879
<v Speaker 6>One, Yeah and that's the danger, AGAIN i think where

1:20:26.920 --> 1:20:29.599
<v Speaker 6>like these agencies just can't do their job the right

1:20:29.640 --> 1:20:33.320
<v Speaker 6>way when they're being guided by commissions that have a

1:20:33.479 --> 1:20:38.120
<v Speaker 6>clear goal to go the other. Direction you, KNOW i

1:20:38.160 --> 1:20:38.479
<v Speaker 6>don't know.

1:20:38.520 --> 1:20:40.880
<v Speaker 1>HOW i don't know How colorado is going to pull

1:20:40.880 --> 1:20:41.320
<v Speaker 1>back out of.

1:20:41.360 --> 1:20:46.120
<v Speaker 2>THIS i want to give a silver lining to outdoors

1:20:46.160 --> 1:20:48.720
<v Speaker 2>in there if there were to. Pass WHEN i lived

1:20:48.720 --> 1:20:50.439
<v Speaker 2>In South, dakota there was a body of WATER i

1:20:50.439 --> 1:20:52.680
<v Speaker 2>fished that flirted with the idea of going from the

1:20:52.800 --> 1:20:56.599
<v Speaker 2>daily limit of four while eyes to. Three naturally people

1:20:56.600 --> 1:20:59.439
<v Speaker 2>were against. It who, Fish but QUIETLY i was, like,

1:20:59.560 --> 1:21:03.719
<v Speaker 2>well if this does, pass this will be a different

1:21:04.000 --> 1:21:06.240
<v Speaker 2>definition of success all of a, sudden because if the

1:21:06.320 --> 1:21:08.840
<v Speaker 2>if the limit is four and you come into the

1:21:08.840 --> 1:21:11.760
<v Speaker 2>boat dock after a day of fishing and someone's, like

1:21:11.760 --> 1:21:14.920
<v Speaker 2>how'd you do you? Know catching zero walleye is basically

1:21:15.000 --> 1:21:16.840
<v Speaker 2>the same as like bringing. Three it's like did you

1:21:16.840 --> 1:21:18.799
<v Speaker 2>get a limit or? Not, like, yep got my. Limit

1:21:19.600 --> 1:21:23.040
<v Speaker 2>now if the limit is, less you're more likely to be, like,

1:21:23.120 --> 1:21:26.240
<v Speaker 2>YEAH i got my. Limit what a badass TRAPPER i?

1:21:26.280 --> 1:21:30.680
<v Speaker 2>AM i, Thought BUT i thought that was like A

1:21:31.120 --> 1:21:33.040
<v Speaker 2>they were saying that you now have a limit that

1:21:33.080 --> 1:21:36.280
<v Speaker 2>you can get per. Day do you understand What i'm.

1:21:36.280 --> 1:21:38.640
<v Speaker 2>Saying if the walleye limit was now three instead of,

1:21:38.680 --> 1:21:42.120
<v Speaker 2>four everybody's getting. Limits, Wow look how great ave anglers

1:21:42.120 --> 1:21:52.479
<v Speaker 2>we are silver Lining steve knows he's coming around the

1:21:52.560 --> 1:21:57.639
<v Speaker 2>trapper who got a? Limit now that's a. Trapper he's so.

1:21:57.720 --> 1:22:01.720
<v Speaker 8>Effective there's gonna be a lot of great. Trappers, yeah

1:22:03.080 --> 1:22:06.120
<v Speaker 8>such a good. Trapper they didn't realize how lucky they

1:22:06.120 --> 1:22:08.880
<v Speaker 8>are not too. Many There's Trouble brun And.

1:22:09.000 --> 1:22:13.280
<v Speaker 1>Yellowstone this is a Very western heavy. Episode we're gonna

1:22:13.320 --> 1:22:16.519
<v Speaker 1>run with it. Anyway Trouble brune And Yellowstone Wolf world

1:22:16.840 --> 1:22:19.000
<v Speaker 1>concerning a pack of. Wolves so there's a pack of

1:22:19.000 --> 1:22:23.479
<v Speaker 1>wolves originally called The Crystal Creek. Pack, okay the pack

1:22:23.520 --> 1:22:27.320
<v Speaker 1>has been in existence since, reintroduction so it's thought to

1:22:27.320 --> 1:22:29.759
<v Speaker 1>be the first pack that ever. Coalesced informed of, course

1:22:30.640 --> 1:22:35.320
<v Speaker 1>all those original wolves in that original pack are all,

1:22:35.360 --> 1:22:39.480
<v Speaker 1>dead but like as a sort of piece of, continuity

1:22:39.560 --> 1:22:43.920
<v Speaker 1>the pack has kept. Going reminds me of ice living

1:22:43.960 --> 1:22:47.920
<v Speaker 1>a house where none of the people on the lease

1:22:48.360 --> 1:22:50.880
<v Speaker 1>lived in the, house but the house was kept chugging

1:22:50.960 --> 1:22:53.639
<v Speaker 1>along with various people moving in and there was always

1:22:53.680 --> 1:22:56.080
<v Speaker 1>four or five people in. There none of them were

1:22:56.080 --> 1:22:58.160
<v Speaker 1>the original people that ever rented the place in the first.

1:22:58.160 --> 1:23:01.960
<v Speaker 1>Place so from the rent from the landlord's, perspective it

1:23:02.000 --> 1:23:05.960
<v Speaker 1>was like the tenants there was through there's no through.

1:23:06.000 --> 1:23:08.200
<v Speaker 1>Line there's no through. Line they had no idea who

1:23:08.240 --> 1:23:10.479
<v Speaker 1>was living in that. House just the check came and

1:23:10.520 --> 1:23:13.040
<v Speaker 1>it was like that. House so the wolf, pack they

1:23:13.160 --> 1:23:15.400
<v Speaker 1>die and get, replaced but it sort of, exists all.

1:23:15.439 --> 1:23:19.000
<v Speaker 1>Right it was originally Called Crystal Creek. Pack it was

1:23:19.040 --> 1:23:23.080
<v Speaker 1>renamed After Molly, baby who was the first female director

1:23:23.120 --> 1:23:25.439
<v Speaker 1>of THE Us fish And Wildlife. Service she actually died

1:23:25.720 --> 1:23:28.439
<v Speaker 1>of cancer during the time of the, reintroduction so eventually

1:23:28.439 --> 1:23:33.200
<v Speaker 1>they call this Pack Molly's. Pack, okay here's where this

1:23:33.280 --> 1:23:38.760
<v Speaker 1>gets kind of. Interesting this pack has historically stayed put

1:23:38.840 --> 1:23:40.960
<v Speaker 1>in the. Park they spent about ninety five percent of

1:23:41.000 --> 1:23:44.280
<v Speaker 1>their time in the, park which means because the park's

1:23:44.360 --> 1:23:47.080
<v Speaker 1>just you, know full of, people park rangers and, whatnot

1:23:47.800 --> 1:23:53.240
<v Speaker 1>they're habituated to. Humans but they've now drifted out of the.

1:23:53.280 --> 1:23:58.040
<v Speaker 1>Park they've drifted eastward into The Shoshone National forest In.

1:23:58.080 --> 1:24:01.360
<v Speaker 1>Wyoming this is the area that has a lot of cattle.

1:24:01.400 --> 1:24:05.120
<v Speaker 1>Grazing so there's fear now that this beloved park, pack

1:24:05.800 --> 1:24:08.479
<v Speaker 1>which is like a very like very much a tourist,

1:24:08.520 --> 1:24:12.000
<v Speaker 1>attraction the tourist, attraction has moved out into the. Woods

1:24:13.280 --> 1:24:18.880
<v Speaker 1>they've moved out into the Wild, okay and there's cattle grazing.

1:24:18.920 --> 1:24:21.680
<v Speaker 1>There so people are anticipating that this pack is going

1:24:21.720 --> 1:24:23.280
<v Speaker 1>to start getting in trouble for killing.

1:24:23.360 --> 1:24:28.600
<v Speaker 6>Cattle is that are they in the like trophy zone.

1:24:29.120 --> 1:24:32.519
<v Speaker 1>During the trophy Zone now That broady brought it. Up i'll, mentioned,

1:24:32.880 --> 1:24:36.439
<v Speaker 1>well you're. Okay wyoming has a area where they manage

1:24:36.479 --> 1:24:39.439
<v Speaker 1>wolves as a trophy, animal as they made that terms.

1:24:39.479 --> 1:24:42.559
<v Speaker 1>Goofy they manage wolves as a big game animal in

1:24:42.600 --> 1:24:46.040
<v Speaker 1>the north west corner of the state and the rest

1:24:46.080 --> 1:24:50.559
<v Speaker 1>of the state they manage them basically a. Vermin they

1:24:50.640 --> 1:24:54.720
<v Speaker 1>run them, like which Is i'm not a huge fan

1:24:54.800 --> 1:24:57.120
<v Speaker 1>of that at, all but but they have their, extremes

1:24:57.400 --> 1:25:04.479
<v Speaker 1>whether they have they have two uni which demonstrate one

1:25:04.479 --> 1:25:07.599
<v Speaker 1>of them is like sound, management and one of them

1:25:07.600 --> 1:25:13.280
<v Speaker 1>seems feels extreme to. Me, however it's a fear now

1:25:13.320 --> 1:25:15.280
<v Speaker 1>that This molly's pack is gonna start getting in trouble

1:25:15.320 --> 1:25:18.040
<v Speaker 1>for killing. Cattle so the wolf protection it is like

1:25:18.080 --> 1:25:23.120
<v Speaker 1>the park protectionist people the. Public they're, saying, hey we

1:25:23.160 --> 1:25:27.759
<v Speaker 1>need to go in and suspend grazing leases Intoshone National

1:25:27.840 --> 1:25:30.880
<v Speaker 1>forests to prevent these wolves from having a chance to

1:25:30.960 --> 1:25:35.200
<v Speaker 1>kill a cow and get in. Trouble all, Right so

1:25:35.240 --> 1:25:38.599
<v Speaker 1>they've tried they've tried to bump they've tried to bump

1:25:38.680 --> 1:25:40.760
<v Speaker 1>the wolves back into the park because they're dending out

1:25:40.800 --> 1:25:42.840
<v Speaker 1>of the park in a method they use to bump.

1:25:42.880 --> 1:25:45.840
<v Speaker 1>Wolves is you actually send people in there to kind

1:25:45.840 --> 1:25:49.080
<v Speaker 1>of hang out near the den site to try to

1:25:49.120 --> 1:25:51.639
<v Speaker 1>apply a little pressure and get them to nudge back

1:25:51.680 --> 1:25:53.800
<v Speaker 1>over toward the. Park they managed to move, them but

1:25:53.880 --> 1:25:55.760
<v Speaker 1>not move them all the. Way and it feels as

1:25:55.760 --> 1:26:01.200
<v Speaker 1>though as we're speaking right, now right, now they're over

1:26:02.360 --> 1:26:04.439
<v Speaker 1>still in The National forest and they still got pups

1:26:04.439 --> 1:26:10.160
<v Speaker 1>in The National. Forest this Is wyoming's Hunt area. One

1:26:10.320 --> 1:26:14.720
<v Speaker 1>they're in a hunt. Area there's a bad case of

1:26:15.080 --> 1:26:17.360
<v Speaker 1>canine distemper in the, park which is trimming back the

1:26:17.360 --> 1:26:22.400
<v Speaker 1>wolves real. Bad So wyoming already reduced the wolf quota

1:26:23.000 --> 1:26:26.720
<v Speaker 1>in the trophy area by fifty, percent but in this

1:26:26.840 --> 1:26:29.719
<v Speaker 1>area where This molly's pack is hanging, out there's currently

1:26:30.439 --> 1:26:33.880
<v Speaker 1>from there's currently planned to be a four wolf hunt

1:26:33.960 --> 1:26:37.519
<v Speaker 1>quota in that. Area that season is going to run

1:26:37.520 --> 1:26:41.320
<v Speaker 1>From september fifteenth To december thirty, first again four wolf

1:26:41.400 --> 1:26:45.920
<v Speaker 1>quota in that. Area so now you've got wolf advocates

1:26:46.200 --> 1:26:53.439
<v Speaker 1>and even some politicians From Jackson Jackson hole politicians Asking

1:26:53.520 --> 1:27:01.599
<v Speaker 1>wyoming to actually come in and halt the wolf hunt

1:27:01.640 --> 1:27:07.600
<v Speaker 1>In unit, one not to protect just some wolves in,

1:27:07.680 --> 1:27:10.600
<v Speaker 1>general but to protect the.

1:27:10.640 --> 1:27:17.240
<v Speaker 6>Wolves they, like they're.

1:27:14.760 --> 1:27:17.760
<v Speaker 1>Like it was not that they thought it was okay to,

1:27:17.840 --> 1:27:20.479
<v Speaker 1>hunt but they're, like, yeah we understand there's a wolf hunt,

1:27:20.520 --> 1:27:23.200
<v Speaker 1>there but now that someone might get the ones we

1:27:23.360 --> 1:27:26.360
<v Speaker 1>know and, like we would like you to close. It

1:27:26.360 --> 1:27:28.960
<v Speaker 1>they're saying that to The State Game, commission and they're

1:27:29.000 --> 1:27:34.280
<v Speaker 1>trying to put leverage On Shoshone National forest to say

1:27:34.560 --> 1:27:36.920
<v Speaker 1>no wolf hunting In Shoshone National forests here because some

1:27:36.960 --> 1:27:42.280
<v Speaker 1>people's favorite wolves are over. There they've tried this before

1:27:42.400 --> 1:27:44.880
<v Speaker 1>and it hasn't. Worked but these little, pressures like when

1:27:44.880 --> 1:27:47.519
<v Speaker 1>some wolves were In, colorado they tried to Get wyoming

1:27:47.560 --> 1:27:49.280
<v Speaker 1>to come in and, say, okay you can't hunt along

1:27:49.280 --> 1:27:51.720
<v Speaker 1>The colorado border for fear that you might kill one

1:27:51.760 --> 1:27:54.280
<v Speaker 1>of those wolves that we all know about In. Colorado

1:27:57.280 --> 1:28:00.479
<v Speaker 1>The Wolf project director In, yellowstones the guy Named Dan,

1:28:00.600 --> 1:28:04.400
<v Speaker 1>staller he's taking a rather circumspect view on the old,

1:28:04.439 --> 1:28:09.479
<v Speaker 1>thing he. Said he said to a news agency that

1:28:09.600 --> 1:28:13.759
<v Speaker 1>he'd hate to see an old alpha female like wolf

1:28:13.880 --> 1:28:19.559
<v Speaker 1>ten ninety f lose her life to. Hunting that's part

1:28:19.640 --> 1:28:22.200
<v Speaker 1>of the world of the. Wolf, now it's been part

1:28:22.200 --> 1:28:23.599
<v Speaker 1>of the world of the wolf for over ten.

1:28:23.520 --> 1:28:26.200
<v Speaker 6>Years, yeah and a lot longer before.

1:28:26.240 --> 1:28:28.439
<v Speaker 1>That but they point out the ten ninety f is world.

1:28:28.439 --> 1:28:33.120
<v Speaker 6>Famous is there any speculation on why they chose to

1:28:33.200 --> 1:28:33.559
<v Speaker 6>leave the.

1:28:33.560 --> 1:28:37.839
<v Speaker 1>Park there's some people throwing darts at, it but. Speculation

1:28:37.840 --> 1:28:40.240
<v Speaker 1>i've read some speculations that felt like they kind of

1:28:40.240 --> 1:28:41.880
<v Speaker 1>whiffed of not really knowing what we're talking. About it

1:28:41.960 --> 1:28:45.840
<v Speaker 1>was that there's been very mild winners. Here try this going.

1:28:45.880 --> 1:28:49.840
<v Speaker 1>On there's been very mild winners in the, park and

1:28:49.920 --> 1:28:52.439
<v Speaker 1>so the animals in the park are in very good

1:28:52.520 --> 1:28:56.760
<v Speaker 1>shape because there's been wild mild winners and so they're

1:28:56.800 --> 1:29:00.599
<v Speaker 1>too hard for the wolves to catch. There but somehow

1:29:00.680 --> 1:29:03.679
<v Speaker 1>a little over to the east And Shoshowny National, forests

1:29:03.680 --> 1:29:07.680
<v Speaker 1>which is subject to the same weather, patterns you don't

1:29:07.720 --> 1:29:11.880
<v Speaker 1>know they move. Around they move. Around it's an invisible

1:29:12.439 --> 1:29:17.400
<v Speaker 1>line that they don't recognize or know. About they move huge.

1:29:17.400 --> 1:29:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Distances in, fact in a day's, travel they could be

1:29:20.000 --> 1:29:22.400
<v Speaker 1>back where they came. From it's just they're not aware

1:29:22.439 --> 1:29:25.280
<v Speaker 1>of the. Line but it's, like the takeaway on this

1:29:25.520 --> 1:29:32.920
<v Speaker 1>is there is an inherent danger in the like in

1:29:33.080 --> 1:29:38.599
<v Speaker 1>naming animals and creating individual personalities around, animals of trying

1:29:38.640 --> 1:29:41.880
<v Speaker 1>to protect this one and not that. One this is

1:29:41.880 --> 1:29:43.640
<v Speaker 1>the THING i often preach And i'm talking to When

1:29:43.680 --> 1:29:48.280
<v Speaker 1>i'm talking about wildlife management to audiences that might not

1:29:48.320 --> 1:29:50.600
<v Speaker 1>be familiar with the principles of wildlife. Management AND i

1:29:50.640 --> 1:29:54.920
<v Speaker 1>always use the analogy of And i've used it here,

1:29:54.960 --> 1:29:59.680
<v Speaker 1>before apologies for using. Again imagine that you have an

1:29:59.640 --> 1:30:05.320
<v Speaker 1>a apple tree and it produces. Apples animal rights people

1:30:05.479 --> 1:30:10.719
<v Speaker 1>are very interested in the. Apples they take a shine

1:30:10.840 --> 1:30:15.800
<v Speaker 1>to the individual apples on that. TREE a mature wildlife

1:30:15.840 --> 1:30:22.400
<v Speaker 1>manager takes a great interest in the tree because if

1:30:22.479 --> 1:30:25.080
<v Speaker 1>you take care of the, tree it will always crank out.

1:30:25.080 --> 1:30:30.439
<v Speaker 1>Apples animal. Writes people come oblivious to the tree because

1:30:30.439 --> 1:30:34.840
<v Speaker 1>they're so concerned about the individual, apples and those apples get,

1:30:34.880 --> 1:30:38.680
<v Speaker 1>eaten those apples fall to the ground and die. Inevitably

1:30:39.680 --> 1:30:44.360
<v Speaker 1>but that tree will crank for, hundreds well it'll crank

1:30:44.600 --> 1:30:47.960
<v Speaker 1>for a long. Time, yeah decades and decades will. Produce

1:30:48.760 --> 1:30:51.400
<v Speaker 1>and so here you have people fixating on the apples

1:30:51.760 --> 1:30:54.120
<v Speaker 1>that they, know the apple growing closest to their, house

1:30:54.120 --> 1:30:57.559
<v Speaker 1>which they polish and look at and take pictures. Of

1:30:58.360 --> 1:31:03.439
<v Speaker 1>and the tree is just kind, of you, know not of.

1:31:03.479 --> 1:31:08.280
<v Speaker 1>Concern but when it's you see this thing it happened

1:31:08.320 --> 1:31:10.160
<v Speaker 1>to when you get, like you'll get like an albino

1:31:10.320 --> 1:31:13.080
<v Speaker 1>animal in a in an area and people it will

1:31:13.240 --> 1:31:16.160
<v Speaker 1>put away for people to know That i'm albino, animal

1:31:17.080 --> 1:31:19.800
<v Speaker 1>and they're, like someone needs to come save the albino

1:31:19.880 --> 1:31:25.200
<v Speaker 1>animal BECAUSE i know that. One, YEAH i recognize that.

1:31:25.280 --> 1:31:29.960
<v Speaker 1>Individual and it just it creates a. Mess it creates a.

1:31:29.960 --> 1:31:38.760
<v Speaker 1>MESS i can't tell WHAT i hope happens here if

1:31:38.760 --> 1:31:42.200
<v Speaker 1>they naturally move back into The, HONESTLY i think that

1:31:42.200 --> 1:31:45.519
<v Speaker 1>that if they naturally move back into the park and

1:31:45.560 --> 1:31:51.040
<v Speaker 1>it's like crisis, averted you'd be. Disappointed, no it might

1:31:51.200 --> 1:31:56.040
<v Speaker 1>be the best thing because it's better for Wolf Lover's.

1:31:56.040 --> 1:31:57.040
<v Speaker 4>Animolf it might.

1:31:56.920 --> 1:32:01.200
<v Speaker 1>Be the best thing because the state The national, forest

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<v Speaker 1>and the state cannot. Capitulate this is my. Recommendation you

1:32:05.800 --> 1:32:06.479
<v Speaker 1>can not.

1:32:06.920 --> 1:32:10.599
<v Speaker 6>Capitulate, yeah like we, say the wolves don't know where

1:32:10.640 --> 1:32:13.360
<v Speaker 6>the boundaries of the park, are but there's, boundaries, right

1:32:14.120 --> 1:32:17.679
<v Speaker 6>so like they're not in there, anymore maybe they should

1:32:17.720 --> 1:32:18.080
<v Speaker 6>go back.

1:32:18.120 --> 1:32:22.320
<v Speaker 1>In it's like the state. Cannot i'm asking, them, like do.

1:32:22.479 --> 1:32:26.640
<v Speaker 1>Not you cannot capitulate to the to the to the

1:32:26.640 --> 1:32:30.600
<v Speaker 1>mob and say, okay we're going to extend part jurisdictions

1:32:30.600 --> 1:32:31.479
<v Speaker 1>way out into The National.

1:32:31.520 --> 1:32:33.360
<v Speaker 6>Forest thing is you can't manage park.

1:32:33.439 --> 1:32:36.680
<v Speaker 1>Animals, yep they. Can't they can't give. In but if

1:32:36.880 --> 1:32:40.880
<v Speaker 1>if the wolves move, back then the state doesn't need

1:32:40.880 --> 1:32:45.519
<v Speaker 1>to capitulate and they don't need to deal with with

1:32:45.560 --> 1:32:49.920
<v Speaker 1>what's gonna happen when someone gets this this famous Lady.

1:32:49.920 --> 1:32:52.559
<v Speaker 6>WOLF i think there's some wolf unders already plotting for that.

1:32:52.640 --> 1:32:58.120
<v Speaker 1>SEPTILE i know there, Are AND i don't hate, you

1:33:00.360 --> 1:33:05.559
<v Speaker 1>JUST i JUST i think that a lot of, WELL

1:33:05.840 --> 1:33:08.519
<v Speaker 1>i think a lot of, managers federal, level state, level

1:33:08.640 --> 1:33:10.439
<v Speaker 1>would if they move, back they'll be, like oh my,

1:33:10.479 --> 1:33:13.040
<v Speaker 1>god they Got, yep thank.

1:33:13.080 --> 1:33:21.439
<v Speaker 4>God speaking of potential for really bad, stuff this this

1:33:21.600 --> 1:33:24.519
<v Speaker 4>next segment could be the latest in an ongoing series

1:33:24.640 --> 1:33:28.120
<v Speaker 4>titled Online. Predictions markets Are weird and seem bad for.

1:33:28.200 --> 1:33:32.000
<v Speaker 4>Everything these are gambling sites where you can buy shares

1:33:32.040 --> 1:33:35.160
<v Speaker 4>in an. Outcome it's typically yes or no, Question and

1:33:35.240 --> 1:33:38.360
<v Speaker 4>it could be will so and so win an? Election

1:33:38.520 --> 1:33:42.280
<v Speaker 4>will so and so score? Touchdown will it?

1:33:42.479 --> 1:33:44.599
<v Speaker 1>Rain and Will trump say a certain word.

1:33:44.479 --> 1:33:45.040
<v Speaker 4>In, Topeka?

1:33:45.080 --> 1:33:45.439
<v Speaker 1>Kansas?

1:33:45.560 --> 1:33:49.639
<v Speaker 4>Yep will this disease spread into this other? Country will

1:33:49.680 --> 1:33:53.439
<v Speaker 4>there be a hurricane in the next? Week and it's

1:33:53.439 --> 1:33:56.479
<v Speaker 4>a multi billion dollar. Industry the ones you've probably heard.

1:33:56.520 --> 1:34:01.960
<v Speaker 4>Of our callshi and. Polymarket but there's recently a story

1:34:02.040 --> 1:34:05.800
<v Speaker 4>In High Country news reported By Kylie moore a couple

1:34:05.760 --> 1:34:10.400
<v Speaker 4>of weeks. Ago she wrote about the relationship between wildfires

1:34:10.439 --> 1:34:13.400
<v Speaker 4>and prediction, markets and she looked specifically at the twenty

1:34:13.479 --> 1:34:17.559
<v Speaker 4>twenty FIVE la. Fires people spent one point two million

1:34:17.680 --> 1:34:22.559
<v Speaker 4>dollars betting on twenty different questions about the outcome of those.

1:34:22.600 --> 1:34:25.439
<v Speaker 4>Fires it was, like how many acres are the fires

1:34:25.479 --> 1:34:28.000
<v Speaker 4>going to, burn where the fire is going to go

1:34:28.720 --> 1:34:32.200
<v Speaker 4>when they'd be. Contained and in, fact she points, out

1:34:32.240 --> 1:34:37.040
<v Speaker 4>there's another site that's launched Called wildfire With whys instead Of,

1:34:37.080 --> 1:34:43.360
<v Speaker 4>eyes where it's specifically about making predictions on. Fires and

1:34:43.439 --> 1:34:46.320
<v Speaker 4>the problem, here as you might, guess is we spent

1:34:46.400 --> 1:34:50.480
<v Speaker 4>a lot of time sort of as a, society like public, agencies,

1:34:50.560 --> 1:34:54.400
<v Speaker 4>nonprofits all this stuff explaining how people what people need

1:34:54.439 --> 1:34:57.519
<v Speaker 4>to do to prevent man made, wildfires because it's pretty

1:34:57.520 --> 1:35:00.240
<v Speaker 4>easy in the right, conditions for one individual action and

1:35:00.720 --> 1:35:05.440
<v Speaker 4>to have devastating. Consequences and now there's a financial incentive

1:35:05.479 --> 1:35:08.120
<v Speaker 4>for someone to go out and perhaps leave a camp fire.

1:35:08.160 --> 1:35:14.920
<v Speaker 4>Smoldering like like anything that people can bet, on someone's

1:35:14.960 --> 1:35:17.160
<v Speaker 4>going to find a way to nudge the outcome that they,

1:35:17.200 --> 1:35:20.720
<v Speaker 4>want and so it's just really weird that we live

1:35:20.760 --> 1:35:24.160
<v Speaker 4>in a time now where you could have financial incentive

1:35:24.200 --> 1:35:28.400
<v Speaker 4>for a wildfire. Spreading and it's a big distinction between

1:35:28.439 --> 1:35:31.160
<v Speaker 4>betting ON i looked at what else you can bet

1:35:31.160 --> 1:35:34.080
<v Speaker 4>on and call you last. Night how many inches of

1:35:34.160 --> 1:35:37.160
<v Speaker 4>rain will fall In houston In, july whether or not

1:35:37.200 --> 1:35:40.439
<v Speaker 4>there will be an eight magnitude earthquake In california before

1:35:40.479 --> 1:35:43.960
<v Speaker 4>the end of this, year how many hurricanes will be

1:35:44.000 --> 1:35:46.680
<v Speaker 4>in The. Atlantic, like those are all things that you

1:35:46.760 --> 1:35:50.920
<v Speaker 4>don't have control, manipulated, Right and so there's a reason

1:35:51.080 --> 1:35:53.920
<v Speaker 4>like why it's more problematic for an athlete or a

1:35:53.960 --> 1:35:56.599
<v Speaker 4>referee to bet on sports than it is a guy

1:35:56.640 --> 1:36:01.559
<v Speaker 4>sitting up in the. Bleachers but, again like this is

1:36:01.600 --> 1:36:06.479
<v Speaker 4>out there right, now these markets justify it by saying

1:36:06.560 --> 1:36:12.040
<v Speaker 4>this Isn't they're saying this is a type of crowd sourced,

1:36:12.120 --> 1:36:16.679
<v Speaker 4>forecasting meaning that you can look at polymarket and see

1:36:16.760 --> 1:36:19.280
<v Speaker 4>where the expert money is saying that fire is going to.

1:36:19.360 --> 1:36:25.080
<v Speaker 4>Go and so it's actually it's actually provides the most

1:36:25.120 --> 1:36:30.280
<v Speaker 4>accurate information to people because they can crowdsource all, this

1:36:30.400 --> 1:36:33.720
<v Speaker 4>which is obviously like kind of a bullshit Hedge.

1:36:33.520 --> 1:36:36.439
<v Speaker 6>Yeah how many billions of? Dollars is are they, making

1:36:36.600 --> 1:36:39.080
<v Speaker 6>like those sites making off of gambling on these?

1:36:39.080 --> 1:36:43.920
<v Speaker 4>Things, YEAH i mean the like there's proposed legislation right

1:36:43.960 --> 1:36:51.000
<v Speaker 4>now that prohibits betting related to, terrorism, assassinations, wars, crimes

1:36:52.320 --> 1:36:55.760
<v Speaker 4>or gambling on people's, deaths because obviously being able to

1:36:55.800 --> 1:37:00.600
<v Speaker 4>gamble on those things creates perverse. Incentives but THERE i

1:37:00.720 --> 1:37:02.040
<v Speaker 4>Bet randall gets hit by a golf.

1:37:02.040 --> 1:37:05.040
<v Speaker 6>Club, YEAH i think of it this way perverse in,

1:37:05.120 --> 1:37:07.800
<v Speaker 6>said it's LIKE i Bet randall's gonna get a two

1:37:07.880 --> 1:37:11.000
<v Speaker 6>hundred inch buck this year and then lo and behold.

1:37:10.560 --> 1:37:11.519
<v Speaker 1>He starts haunting his ass.

1:37:11.560 --> 1:37:14.519
<v Speaker 4>Off, yeah or he goes IF i, could IF i could,

1:37:14.520 --> 1:37:16.800
<v Speaker 4>bet IF i could bet a million dollars on whether

1:37:16.880 --> 1:37:18.960
<v Speaker 4>or Not i'll fall down the stairs, TODAY i will

1:37:19.040 --> 1:37:22.400
<v Speaker 4>hurl myself from the third floor to the. First but

1:37:23.800 --> 1:37:27.920
<v Speaker 4>wildfire has not yet like been among the things banned

1:37:27.960 --> 1:37:32.640
<v Speaker 4>substances bands per proposed, Bands so just a. Weird we

1:37:32.720 --> 1:37:37.360
<v Speaker 4>have enough headwinds in terms of wildfire prevention and fighting

1:37:37.400 --> 1:37:40.639
<v Speaker 4>in this country. Currently we don't need people gambling on

1:37:41.400 --> 1:37:43.200
<v Speaker 4>whether or not that fire is going to spread to

1:37:43.200 --> 1:37:45.880
<v Speaker 4>the next county because you know, what somebody might go

1:37:45.920 --> 1:37:47.160
<v Speaker 4>out there with the can of gas and.

1:37:49.160 --> 1:37:51.160
<v Speaker 1>Make that spread of the next. COUNTY i already share

1:37:51.240 --> 1:37:55.160
<v Speaker 1>this with you with the prediction, markets you're reading about

1:37:55.160 --> 1:37:57.519
<v Speaker 1>all these kind of crazy bets about, whatever like you,

1:37:57.560 --> 1:38:02.480
<v Speaker 1>know wars and famines. WHATEVER i was watching a movie

1:38:02.760 --> 1:38:05.960
<v Speaker 1>called d'en bien. Fou it was about The. French it

1:38:06.000 --> 1:38:10.840
<v Speaker 1>was about The french defeat by The vietmn which kind

1:38:10.880 --> 1:38:15.200
<v Speaker 1>of ended up precipitating The American war In. Vietnam, anyways

1:38:15.320 --> 1:38:20.280
<v Speaker 1>in this, movie there's a there's a betting, salon a,

1:38:20.360 --> 1:38:23.080
<v Speaker 1>parlor a betting. Parlor it's a big it's a big

1:38:23.280 --> 1:38:28.600
<v Speaker 1>plot in the movie where Everyone, French, vietnamese everyone is

1:38:28.640 --> 1:38:33.759
<v Speaker 1>going into a bookie to place bets on what hills

1:38:33.800 --> 1:38:39.120
<v Speaker 1>would fall and when The vietman would Overrun en bien

1:38:39.200 --> 1:38:46.479
<v Speaker 1>fu including people who are, directly not directly involved in the,

1:38:46.479 --> 1:38:51.840
<v Speaker 1>fight but people who are manipulating the actions of pertaining,

1:38:51.880 --> 1:38:58.280
<v Speaker 1>people military, guys. Whatever so the idea of inside betting,

1:39:00.120 --> 1:39:02.960
<v Speaker 1>nothing inside, trading betting on, out betting on things that

1:39:03.000 --> 1:39:09.080
<v Speaker 1>seem almost you, know morally. Reprehensible, yeah this is not, New,

1:39:09.320 --> 1:39:11.720
<v Speaker 1>no it's just really bought kind of an age old

1:39:11.720 --> 1:39:12.120
<v Speaker 1>thing to the.

1:39:12.120 --> 1:39:16.280
<v Speaker 4>Forefront, yeah and it's accessible to, everyone and it's except

1:39:16.360 --> 1:39:18.240
<v Speaker 4>like it's it's in your, pocket it's right there and

1:39:18.280 --> 1:39:19.000
<v Speaker 4>anybody can do.

1:39:19.040 --> 1:39:22.120
<v Speaker 6>It and it's just giving more options to people who

1:39:22.160 --> 1:39:24.960
<v Speaker 6>got bad gambling, problems like to be able to bet on.

1:39:25.120 --> 1:39:27.360
<v Speaker 1>Anything, Yeah i'm not worry about those. People you're.

1:39:27.360 --> 1:39:28.920
<v Speaker 6>Not, Well.

1:39:30.120 --> 1:39:32.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm not a big like save you from yourself kind of. Guy,

1:39:33.160 --> 1:39:33.920
<v Speaker 1>well but.

1:39:35.439 --> 1:39:39.040
<v Speaker 6>That's a through line on this that from The yellowstone

1:39:39.040 --> 1:39:39.920
<v Speaker 6>thing you talked about.

1:39:39.920 --> 1:39:42.799
<v Speaker 1>Earlier, YEAH i. Don't, YEAH i. DON'T i don't GENERALLY

1:39:42.840 --> 1:39:45.800
<v Speaker 1>i don't want to save people from. Themselves but it, is,

1:39:46.000 --> 1:39:48.120
<v Speaker 1>yeah to to make it be that you can like

1:39:49.320 --> 1:39:53.000
<v Speaker 1>profit by like building up a bet around a wildfire

1:39:53.040 --> 1:39:57.559
<v Speaker 1>and placing the. Bet you, KNOW i get. It but

1:39:57.760 --> 1:40:00.439
<v Speaker 1>it's also like a difficult thing to, regulate like for

1:40:00.479 --> 1:40:02.759
<v Speaker 1>the government to come say, hey no more bet. Making

1:40:03.280 --> 1:40:05.120
<v Speaker 1>sure what's which they?

1:40:05.160 --> 1:40:08.120
<v Speaker 4>Do they, did they did for a really long.

1:40:08.160 --> 1:40:11.200
<v Speaker 2>Time this administration likes these, markets though they've been like

1:40:11.280 --> 1:40:14.680
<v Speaker 2>generally favorable towards. THEM a recent example of like a

1:40:14.720 --> 1:40:17.719
<v Speaker 2>better who controlled his own destiny was at the Last

1:40:17.760 --> 1:40:20.880
<v Speaker 2>Super bowl At Levi stadium In. California there was a

1:40:20.920 --> 1:40:24.200
<v Speaker 2>streaker within hours of that, happening it came out that

1:40:24.280 --> 1:40:26.360
<v Speaker 2>he PLACED i think it was a fifty thousand dollars

1:40:26.360 --> 1:40:29.360
<v Speaker 2>bet on prediction markets that there would be a streaker

1:40:29.920 --> 1:40:32.360
<v Speaker 2>during The Super. Bowl plus he got like ten buddies

1:40:32.400 --> 1:40:33.880
<v Speaker 2>to do the same, thing and so they were like

1:40:34.000 --> 1:40:38.200
<v Speaker 2>millions of dollars exchanged and made because this guy was, like, well,

1:40:38.280 --> 1:40:40.640
<v Speaker 2>yeah there's gonna be a, Streaker i'm gonna do.

1:40:40.680 --> 1:40:44.080
<v Speaker 4>It if you're that passionate about streaking and you've fully

1:40:44.080 --> 1:40:46.320
<v Speaker 4>committed to do, it it would be silly to leave

1:40:46.360 --> 1:40:46.920
<v Speaker 4>that money on the.

1:40:46.920 --> 1:40:50.080
<v Speaker 1>TABLE i don't know. THAT i don't know that that's

1:40:50.120 --> 1:40:53.400
<v Speaker 1>the government's, problem the Super bowl.

1:40:53.400 --> 1:40:54.160
<v Speaker 2>Streaker maybe.

1:40:54.200 --> 1:40:58.639
<v Speaker 1>Not, Yeah. OKAY i feel like if someone, said, MAN

1:40:59.800 --> 1:41:02.840
<v Speaker 1>i was betting, on you, know whether it be a

1:41:02.920 --> 1:41:05.240
<v Speaker 1>streaker at the Super, BOWL i lost some of my

1:41:05.360 --> 1:41:07.960
<v Speaker 1>hard earned money and NOW i really feel LIKE i

1:41:07.960 --> 1:41:11.280
<v Speaker 1>should have been protected by the. Government i'd be, like,

1:41:11.479 --> 1:41:14.200
<v Speaker 1>BUDDY i don't, know, man you're betting on streakers at

1:41:14.200 --> 1:41:14.559
<v Speaker 1>The Super.

1:41:14.560 --> 1:41:17.719
<v Speaker 2>Bowl the other thing is if you outlaw, it somebody's

1:41:17.800 --> 1:41:22.280
<v Speaker 2>going to make it a thing, anyway market that the

1:41:22.320 --> 1:41:24.880
<v Speaker 2>mafia will rise again and make all of its money

1:41:24.880 --> 1:41:28.080
<v Speaker 2>off of. Betting if if you, know legalized gambling goes,

1:41:28.080 --> 1:41:29.880
<v Speaker 2>away so like someone's going to figure out how to do,

1:41:29.920 --> 1:41:30.120
<v Speaker 2>it And.

1:41:30.160 --> 1:41:33.639
<v Speaker 1>I'll point OUT i, Mean i'm not totally hipped to current,

1:41:33.720 --> 1:41:36.960
<v Speaker 1>law BUT i think arson is generally legal illegal, anyway,

1:41:37.720 --> 1:41:39.920
<v Speaker 1>Correct so he's already got one.

1:41:39.960 --> 1:41:44.120
<v Speaker 6>Problem, yeah but they might really put the screws to

1:41:44.240 --> 1:41:46.599
<v Speaker 6>you when it comes time to like issue a. Sentence

1:41:46.680 --> 1:41:48.599
<v Speaker 6>if they're, like you know you.

1:41:48.439 --> 1:41:51.519
<v Speaker 1>Did, This, yeah they go to the jury like the

1:41:51.640 --> 1:41:55.040
<v Speaker 1>son of a bitch bet on? It, yeah the streaker.

1:41:55.000 --> 1:41:56.920
<v Speaker 2>He's breaking the law too when he does.

1:41:56.920 --> 1:41:58.200
<v Speaker 1>It what's the law he's?

1:41:58.200 --> 1:41:59.840
<v Speaker 3>Breaking?

1:42:00.720 --> 1:42:03.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah all that. ONE i don't know HOW i feel about.

1:42:03.560 --> 1:42:09.360
<v Speaker 1>That should that be illegal probably in certain contexts streaking

1:42:09.800 --> 1:42:10.200
<v Speaker 1>betting on.

1:42:10.280 --> 1:42:12.640
<v Speaker 2>IT i also think it came out that that guy had,

1:42:12.880 --> 1:42:14.760
<v Speaker 2>like wait a, minute this dude has has been a

1:42:14.760 --> 1:42:19.840
<v Speaker 2>streaker before and maybe been well reported, on like this

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<v Speaker 2>might have been the second time that he.

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<v Speaker 6>Come out on. Top, financially just as.

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<v Speaker 4>You pointed out with The buffalo, attacks people have been

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<v Speaker 4>streaking long before the age of cell. Phones this is

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<v Speaker 4>just something about.

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<v Speaker 1>It that makes you want to go out trigger. Happy.

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<v Speaker 1>PEA i mean that, metaphorically not just that they like to,

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<v Speaker 1>shoot they're just a it's hard to control Them. Americans

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<v Speaker 1>we're out, there, yeah creeping up on.

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<v Speaker 8>Wildlife Maybe carl had a.

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<v Speaker 2>Call she bet on the number of bison injuries this

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<v Speaker 2>year In. Yellowstone and now he just cashed the over, All.

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<v Speaker 1>Right we're. Done we got one hit On Bear's. Ears

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<v Speaker 1>we'll keep this.

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<v Speaker 5>Brief if you hadn't read the, news The trump administration

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<v Speaker 5>slashed the monument protections For Bears. Ears this is originally

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<v Speaker 5>designated twenty sixteen Under President, obama and it was about

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<v Speaker 5>one point four million acre monument under The Antiquities, act

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<v Speaker 5>ostensibly to stop rampant looting across one hundred thousand plus

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<v Speaker 5>acre or one hundred thousand native archaeological. Sites is backed

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<v Speaker 5>by a five tribe, coalition et, cetera et. Cetera trump

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<v Speaker 5>won slashed the monument in twenty, Seventeen Biden unfolier store

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<v Speaker 5>in twenty twenty. One just a few weeks, Ago july,

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<v Speaker 5>thirteen twenty twenty, Six trump two slashed it again down

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<v Speaker 5>to about one hundred and twenty thousand.

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<v Speaker 6>Acres and he did that by executive, Word.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes by executive, order and it's because of an interpretation

1:43:45.040 --> 1:43:50.599
<v Speaker 5>he feels that or his administration him, whatever feels that

1:43:50.640 --> 1:43:54.160
<v Speaker 5>he can reduce those based on a clause that says

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<v Speaker 5>the Minimum it's like the minimum amount or the least

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<v Speaker 5>amount of space. Necessary the opponents to this say that

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<v Speaker 5>you can create, monuments you can't undo. Monuments so, basically,

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<v Speaker 5>yeah it's. Sorry the clause's smallest area compatible and his

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<v Speaker 5>rationale as it locked up critical mineral. Resources from a hunting,

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<v Speaker 5>perspective it doesn't really change the hunting management that's still

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<v Speaker 5>in the hands Of, utah but it does change the

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<v Speaker 5>access because travel rules in a, monument it restricts you

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<v Speaker 5>to motorize travel strictly on designated, roads protectic cultural ruins and.

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<v Speaker 5>Whatnot without the monument, protections you can basically do whatever

1:44:31.640 --> 1:44:33.719
<v Speaker 5>you can do ON blm, land which is a. Lot

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<v Speaker 5>then there's also an opening of a sixty day window

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<v Speaker 5>for potential, mining oil and gas, leasing which will most

1:44:41.400 --> 1:44:45.960
<v Speaker 5>likely happen in that. Area an interesting little the OPPOSITE

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<v Speaker 5>i wouldn't say, opposite but an interesting effect of this

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<v Speaker 5>is that when this whole political kerfuffle went down in

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<v Speaker 5>twenty sixteen With obama and then back and forth pre twenty,

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<v Speaker 5>sixteen visitation was seventy five thousand people. Annually with national

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<v Speaker 5>headlines and all the digital absent, stuff it drove visitation

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<v Speaker 5>of four hundred thousand visitors last.

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<v Speaker 1>Year that's compared to.

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<v Speaker 5>So you, know one hundred or, sorry at three hundred percent,

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<v Speaker 5>increase compared to a twenty percent increase across The Utah

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<v Speaker 5>Big five in that same, area and so that's altered game,

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<v Speaker 5>behavior that's increased backcountry.

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<v Speaker 4>Pressure it also calls into question the idea that people

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<v Speaker 4>are locked out of their under. Monuments.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly that's a good pointing, out except for the four The.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah trump's quote was you can't do. Anything you can't go,

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<v Speaker 2>hunting you can't go, fishing you can't do. Anything you

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<v Speaker 2>can virtually not even walk on.

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<v Speaker 1>It that's that's completely.

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<v Speaker 2>False, yeah that Was trump's quote as he like signed the.

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<v Speaker 1>Paper but that was, like we've Covered we've covered every

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<v Speaker 1>step of this thing for ten.

1:45:52.280 --> 1:45:52.920
<v Speaker 3>Years for ten.

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<v Speaker 1>Years ten years is a long, time but it's not

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<v Speaker 1>a long. TIME i think that when when you look at,

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<v Speaker 1>THIS i think people often lose sight of the fact

1:46:05.520 --> 1:46:07.680
<v Speaker 1>that this was first put in place Under. OBAMA i

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<v Speaker 1>think in the in the popular, imagination this was like

1:46:10.000 --> 1:46:20.360
<v Speaker 1>something dating back To Teddy Roosevelt theodore and this is

1:46:20.680 --> 1:46:25.880
<v Speaker 1>likely in two, years this is likely to get undone.

1:46:25.920 --> 1:46:28.880
<v Speaker 1>Again and an issue like, THIS i become interested is

1:46:29.040 --> 1:46:33.840
<v Speaker 1>what does it take to have this stop bouncing The

1:46:34.400 --> 1:46:37.719
<v Speaker 1>obama put it into, place it was Under trump undid,

1:46:37.760 --> 1:46:41.000
<v Speaker 1>It biden put it back in, Place trump was undoing it.

1:46:41.040 --> 1:46:44.160
<v Speaker 1>Again it's that executive order.

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<v Speaker 6>Thing, Man you'd have to get rid of that and

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<v Speaker 6>have it be a Congressional, yeah they proclaim it to,

1:46:49.439 --> 1:46:51.400
<v Speaker 6>be and then getting it undone a.

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<v Speaker 1>Lot. Yeah part of the, issue and where this winds

1:46:55.360 --> 1:46:58.639
<v Speaker 1>up plying to, outdoorsman as people follow this debate back

1:46:58.680 --> 1:47:03.800
<v Speaker 1>and forth is part of the issue is like there's

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<v Speaker 1>this fear of losing hunting and fishing privileges on the monument.

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<v Speaker 1>STATUS i don't. Know the executive action on this becomes

1:47:16.680 --> 1:47:19.479
<v Speaker 1>a little bit, silly AND i do wonder what steps

1:47:19.479 --> 1:47:21.439
<v Speaker 1>it would, take and if it was gonna get like

1:47:21.479 --> 1:47:24.679
<v Speaker 1>some kind of congressional, Designation i'm guessing that there would

1:47:24.720 --> 1:47:27.000
<v Speaker 1>need to be a some serious. Gift there would need

1:47:27.040 --> 1:47:32.479
<v Speaker 1>to be some serious debate and probably compromises. Made, yeah

1:47:32.920 --> 1:47:36.160
<v Speaker 1>and it's and it might not land At obama's one

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<v Speaker 1>point six.

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<v Speaker 5>Yep and we have a late story coming in of

1:47:43.080 --> 1:47:47.760
<v Speaker 5>the Med eater photo. Contest if you scroll down to

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<v Speaker 5>the bottom of your, Screen, phil if you can pull

1:47:49.240 --> 1:47:54.040
<v Speaker 5>up that first one on the media, website there's contest

1:47:54.080 --> 1:47:57.479
<v Speaker 5>that ended. Yesterday and these are the top three winners

1:47:58.840 --> 1:48:02.240
<v Speaker 5>that'll be chosen today when this podcast, launches and the

1:48:02.240 --> 1:48:05.920
<v Speaker 5>winter will choose Two Moultrie edge four trail cameras with solar,

1:48:05.960 --> 1:48:08.680
<v Speaker 5>packs one hundred Dollars Meat eater store gift. Card and

1:48:08.760 --> 1:48:10.840
<v Speaker 5>so these are the three we're looking. At first, one

1:48:11.320 --> 1:48:12.439
<v Speaker 5>what are you see in there with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Gator gator come to kill some.

1:48:14.760 --> 1:48:17.400
<v Speaker 4>Coons who's winning that fight or a bunch of coons

1:48:17.439 --> 1:48:17.680
<v Speaker 4>coming to.

1:48:17.800 --> 1:48:20.439
<v Speaker 1>Gang i've seen videos where they coming right in there

1:48:20.479 --> 1:48:20.960
<v Speaker 1>and grab them.

1:48:21.040 --> 1:48:24.280
<v Speaker 6>RACCOON i let that one gets my boat hands, down.

1:48:24.360 --> 1:48:27.599
<v Speaker 1>Man then the second, one there's a mountain lion getting

1:48:27.640 --> 1:48:30.360
<v Speaker 1>ready to smoke a. Fawn, Yeah i'm betting on the.

1:48:30.400 --> 1:48:33.960
<v Speaker 1>LAW i didn't even see that. Fon, yeah that's really

1:48:34.000 --> 1:48:36.559
<v Speaker 1>interesting on the, line damn, man that's From july.

1:48:36.880 --> 1:48:38.960
<v Speaker 2>Sixth that's the picture is only a few weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>Over.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh then there's a guy that actually still be digesting

1:48:42.640 --> 1:48:43.639
<v Speaker 4>parts of that fun.

1:48:43.880 --> 1:48:47.200
<v Speaker 1>Does the guy that actually his trail camera actually picked

1:48:47.280 --> 1:48:50.880
<v Speaker 1>up the moment his arrow entered the vital area on

1:48:51.000 --> 1:48:53.280
<v Speaker 1>A michigan eight white tail.

1:48:53.320 --> 1:48:56.920
<v Speaker 5>BUCK i like, that BUT i feel Like i've seeing

1:48:56.920 --> 1:48:57.479
<v Speaker 5>stuff like that.

1:48:57.400 --> 1:49:00.280
<v Speaker 1>Before because you could get, yeah that's not like trail,

1:49:00.360 --> 1:49:02.800
<v Speaker 1>Camy like you could just pull a still off a

1:49:02.880 --> 1:49:03.320
<v Speaker 1>video and have.

1:49:03.400 --> 1:49:05.880
<v Speaker 5>That my buddy's got a picture of him and his

1:49:05.920 --> 1:49:08.240
<v Speaker 5>dad in the stand and his dad is missing their target.

1:49:08.240 --> 1:49:11.599
<v Speaker 1>Buck it's, hilarious it's, fine but it's just it's not trail.

1:49:11.680 --> 1:49:17.080
<v Speaker 1>Cammy what do we? VOTE i vote for The.

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<v Speaker 5>Gator, yeah all, Right Team.

1:49:20.200 --> 1:49:21.880
<v Speaker 6>Gates i'd like to be standing there to see what.

1:49:21.960 --> 1:49:23.320
<v Speaker 6>HAPPENS i kind of know what's gonna.

1:49:23.320 --> 1:49:27.080
<v Speaker 1>Happen but my buddy In louisiana has sent me these

1:49:27.200 --> 1:49:29.640
<v Speaker 1>videos and the gator just comes up and grabs the

1:49:29.680 --> 1:49:35.960
<v Speaker 1>raccoon into these corn. Feeders, no the raccoon's, like what is?

1:49:36.000 --> 1:49:39.599
<v Speaker 1>That what is? That all of a, sudden the walks

1:49:39.640 --> 1:49:39.960
<v Speaker 1>off with the.

1:49:40.040 --> 1:49:42.639
<v Speaker 4>RACCOON i like that the two are sort of hanging back.

1:49:42.680 --> 1:49:45.959
<v Speaker 4>There i'll get Him, bill.

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<v Speaker 3>All.

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<v Speaker 1>RIGHT i want to back up on. SOMETHING i don't

1:49:52.680 --> 1:49:56.960
<v Speaker 1>mean to be. LIGHT i don't mean to be dismissive

1:49:56.960 --> 1:50:00.439
<v Speaker 1>on the on the, monument The bearsiers monuments AT. Us

1:50:01.240 --> 1:50:04.200
<v Speaker 1>at this, POINT i just feel that this is not

1:50:04.880 --> 1:50:07.400
<v Speaker 1>this is not, done AND i think that in two

1:50:07.520 --> 1:50:11.360
<v Speaker 1>years we're probably gonna see another.

1:50:11.400 --> 1:50:17.040
<v Speaker 4>Reversal, yeah another.

1:50:17.080 --> 1:50:21.439
<v Speaker 1>Football, YEAH i think it's gonna Be, yeah it's gonna

1:50:21.439 --> 1:50:24.920
<v Speaker 1>be Another it's it's like the it's today's ant, war

1:50:26.120 --> 1:50:30.360
<v Speaker 1>even though ant war is still today's ant, war tomorrow's. Animar, Yes,

1:50:31.200 --> 1:50:32.920
<v Speaker 1>yeah it's gonna be one of those things that just

1:50:33.240 --> 1:50:37.400
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be a long time till this gets, settled

1:50:37.400 --> 1:50:41.719
<v Speaker 1>and it will not get settled through executive. Proclamations thanks

1:50:41.720 --> 1:50:42.840
<v Speaker 1>for listening to The News. Show