WEBVTT - Ep. 6: Remi Warren 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:08.440 Hey, everybody, welcome episode number six of the Honey Collective. 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:13.160 I'm been O'Brien. I'm joined today by none other than 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:18.160 Remy Lauren. I'm sure you know Remy from his appearances 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:21.720 on Solo Hunter. He's been featured on Meat Eater, he 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:25.599 once had a show by the name Apex Predator, and 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:31.880 he is most generally a badass. This podcast I believe 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:35.920 you'll enjoy, mostly just because we were sitting on a porch, 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:39.880 drinking beer late in the night and talking about hunting, 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:44.360 talking about values, and generally just shooting the ship, as 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:47.760 as two people who enjoy spending time together, had a 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:52.519 great meal, had a few after after dinner beers, and 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:56.720 recorded a conversation that we both enjoyed having. So I 0:00:56.760 --> 0:00:59.959 won't say much more about Remy, or about the podcast 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:03.720 or about the conversation other than to say I hope 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:18.720 you enjoy. We sure did Episode number six. Putting my 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:24.400 line in my corona, my line is also in my corona. Now, 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:28.560 let me tell everybody out there a little story me 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:34.920 and Banner sipping coronas in his backyard at this time. 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:39.640 But the corona part flashes me back to I don't 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:43.160 know a few weeks ago when we did this very 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:48.840 same podcast, Yet Ben decided to use a memory card 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:55.880 that was probably less storage space than a U what 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:58.040 is it, no, Kia Razor. It came out of my 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:01.640 game boy, Remember when you we're playing Snake on your 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:04.480 phone and you thought that point zero five cell phone 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:08.800 pick was epic. He decided to take the memory card 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:13.480 out of that and record a very high quality podcast 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:15.959 on it. So we talked for an hour and a 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:23.840 half and nothing came up again, and except we enjoyed Corona, 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:28.000 just Crestfallen, we were just no. Actually, you know, we 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:30.240 got most of it recorded and then I went to 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:34.160 put it on my computer and it it was one 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:36.840 of the best podcasts ever I will say it is. 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:39.440 It was a very avant garde podcast. It's like one 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:44.160 of those podcasts where it's it was an expression, it 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:48.240 was an art form. We just we talked about We 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:51.320 did the podcast without recording it, and then we go 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:55.400 and tell people on the podcast, and those people tell 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:59.600 those people and it spreads like wildfire through the community 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:01.679 of people will say, do you remember the time that 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:04.920 you heard about the time that you heard about the podcast? 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:07.080 Now did you hear that podcast? No? I didn't hear 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:10.400 that podcast either, but here's what I heard about that podcast. So, 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:12.560 like a Jackson Pollock paying for the rest of the 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:15.799 night to annoy Ben and everyone else, I'm going to 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:21.760 keep referring to the other podcast. Um It, it'll be 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:24.600 you know, we'll remember this years from now when we're 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:27.880 old and gray. We'll remember that podcast as as just 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:31.799 time lost in an age where everything was recorded. There 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:33.679 was a moment where we had a discussion we thought 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:37.920 was serious. It turned out to be nothing. Yet that 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:42.920 duck face picture you took still remains. All those gripping 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:46.920 grins I've been posting for the last ten years remained, 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:49.440 still remained. Well, it remains that we've seen. If this 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:51.640 one will ever make it anywhere, we don't know which. 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:54.920 I'm even weirder talking to the abyss and actually as 0:03:54.960 --> 0:04:00.520 a fellow tech savy type of human, um, I'm checking myself. 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:03.600 You're out about eighteen right, Yeah, we're getting a little 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:08.320 record action. So let's see. I don't remember what we 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:11.000 talked about, and I don't really care. It doesn't matter what. 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:13.640 Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Tell me, tell me 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:17.440 if someone else was like, let's do a podcast, and 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:20.479 I did a podcast and it got deleted, and they're like, 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:25.800 let's redo the podcast. I would say, good luck, you 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:29.719 just tell the story. But because Ben O'Brien is a 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:34.200 very dear friend to me and I appreciate what he does, 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:37.400 I was like, of course, Ben, I don't think you 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:43.320 were like of course. I was like, like I forgot 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:47.279 my wallet, Like I think you do a fancy dinner. 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:49.440 And I was like, would you like to return to 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:51.479 my house I have I have some coronas and we 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:53.520 can sit on the back porch. Oh, there's some headphones 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:59.440 back here. Hey listen. I I it was very sad 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:00.760 like that, and it I was very It was a 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:02.960 very somber night. My wife and I didn't even look 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:06.440 at each other. I knew what I had done and 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:08.480 I knew what we can never get back. It was 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:11.960 like a death in the podcast family that that lost. 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:14.880 Maybe one day I'll find it on some old techmo 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:18.599 bowl card that I never knew I had. That's why 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:23.600 I record all my podcasts on vhs, just it's so 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:26.680 hard to erase, just in case one day, well you 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:29.240 have to erase it. I'm gonna look at you, turn 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:31.960 you down a little bit. We're letting everybody behind the 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:35.600 curtain here, behind the podcast curtain. So I think we're 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:37.960 gonna talk about hunting. That's probably one of the things 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:39.880 that we'll touch on here in this podcast. But I 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:42.800 think the first thing I want to talk about is 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:46.560 your upcoming nuptials. If you're comfortable with with going over 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:51.159 what they what that looks like, you know, for Ben O'Brien, 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:53.800 I'll do any kind of I will really divulge into 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:56.840 my life. I think people I like to be a 0:05:56.880 --> 0:06:00.440 little secretive. I don't like people knowing my business. Actually nobody. 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:02.719 I don't think anybody really knows about your your wife, 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:06.680 your fiance. You got to close the deal, but I 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:09.120 don't think there's a lot of people that that definitely 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:15.040 not Here's the thing. People are always saying to me, Oh, 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:22.919 someone finally tied you down, wrangled gin What makes them 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:27.080 think that I'm the one age? No, not in that way. 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:31.200 But you know, I might not be the catch in 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:34.800 this this relationship. I mean, I would say it's likely 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:38.359 from what you've described your lovely fiance, she's the catch. 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:40.560 She is the catch, you told me. She gets up 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:43.440 at four in the morning, she does I think it's 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:48.600 just oould do me. That's a bad pressure. She accomplishes 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:52.400 more by seven am than most people will in a week. 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:55.440 And I and you know that's what Are you intimidated 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:58.640 by that? A little bit? Not gonna lie, I feel it. 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:02.640 I feel in fact that she's like, yeah, I was, 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:05.200 what do you What do you do from five to 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:11.560 seven am? When the answers punching kickboxing bags to stay 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:15.680 in shape? I get scared. Do you think she's just 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:18.320 doing that to assliminate you? She's just doing that just 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:22.040 to keep you in line. Like, listen, Remy, I will 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:26.720 say this, as far as as hunting goes, and this 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:30.960 is actually an interesting topic that many many people might 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:34.080 shy away from. I'm just gonna go all for it. 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:37.600 I like, that's kind of what we're after that interesting topics. 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:42.440 Think about this. I grew up and a lot of 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:45.920 times you try to you either do one of two things. 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:49.080 You mimic the family that you grew up in, or 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:53.760 you do the exact opposite. I was very fortunate enough 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:57.560 that I grew up in a great family. Okay, that's 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:03.800 probably rare in today society than it was twenty years ago. 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:09.880 Parents stayed together, brother, or your friends were very I 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:13.960 grew up in a very tight knit family. My dad 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:19.520 likes to hunt. My mom not a hunter. She actually 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:23.360 grew up in a family of what I would probably 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:27.760 consider for most people out the hippie vegans, because they 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:32.920 were vegans and fairly hippie esque. However, I've kind of 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:36.679 converted most of them into eating wild gaming, which they 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:44.880 love now. But my mom enjoys going out hunting with us. 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:51.640 The lady is one of the best spotters I have 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:55.760 ever met. I probably got my spotting abilities from my mother. Sorry, Dad, 0:08:56.679 --> 0:08:59.880 I mean he knows it's true. In my outfitting business, 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:02.680 she'll be home, she'll be She does a lot of 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:06.000 the cooking for us, and she is. She could be 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:10.120 on top chef like. She is a phenomenal cook. She 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:13.360 does an amazing job. You would It's not like home cooking. 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:22.880 It's like but one day she'll look up on the hill, 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:25.760 Oh there's a deer, and she doesn't get excited like 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:30.120 somebody that hunts does. She's seen enough deer on the 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:33.640 wall and whatever that she'll look at a deer. She's 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:38.240 a better judge of mule deer than probably of the 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:44.319 self proclaimed trophy hunters out there. She does not bullshit, 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:49.360 and for some reason, she has an eye for rack 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:51.960 bracketing deer. She could look at a deer and be like, 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:54.960 knows whether it's the quality we're looking for or not. 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:59.400 One week, we had a client with a special meal 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:03.840 their tag. This is a long story, I'm getting around 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:07.400 and going back. So we had a client with a 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:11.400 meal dear tag, special meal dere tag. This he actually, 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:14.040 I think if I remember correctly, he might have even 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:16.680 won the super tag for the state of Montana, which 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:19.200 means he can hunt anywhere in the state. And I 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:21.160 happened to guide in one of the better units, so 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:24.000 he decided to come up with us. Maybe it was 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:29.320 just druetic camera. So the guy is hunting his ass 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:34.960 off all week. My mom's cooking up the last meal. 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:39.600 The guy has not killed a meal here. She calls 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:47.000 me and it's like, hey, Remy, there is a big 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:53.680 buck behind the lodge. You should probably get you over here. 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:58.600 And I'm like, okay, Well, the hunter was with another 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:00.960 guy that day. I was, oh, kind we killed their 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:02.840 elk taking it into the butcher and I was just 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:05.440 coming back. So I'm like, oh, ship, Well, these guys 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:09.000 don't even have phones with them because like, this never 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.240 happens there in a good spot. So I drive a 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:14.320 hundred miles an hour to this. I go to the 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:17.560 lodge first because I'm thinking, my mom, does she really 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:21.000 know what to think? She points up there. I looked 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:25.360 through the binocularcy oh ship, Yeah, yep, you know what 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:30.720 a big love your mom big non to points going everywhere, 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:34.600 and then I drive down go. I drive to where 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:37.200 their truck is parked because I saw it earlier in 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:40.720 the day. I literally am sprinting up trying to find 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:44.000 these guys, find them, get them. They jump in the truck. 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:47.120 We drive back a hundred miles an hour, and the 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:50.720 last night of the hunt, he shoots this deer that 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:54.360 my mom had spotted. I was like, awesome. And then 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:57.880 a couple of years later, my mom's spots a buck 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:00.839 and she sees she'll see she looks at deer all day. 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:04.120 She's like, oh yeah, dear, dear, dear, spots another buck. 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:08.560 Tells my buddy about it and he ends up shooting 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:13.800 the buck and it was buck. It's just she has 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:18.240 a knack for finding big deer. She now here. Here's 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:21.400 where the story relates to her and what I was 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:29.160 going into. She tells us about this deer behind the lunch. 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:35.520 We shoot the deer. She then proceeds to cry and 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:39.480 cry and cry. They killed my buck killed the deer. 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:43.520 My mother is not a hunter, but she enjoys going out. 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:49.480 She enjoys the process of hunting. When she generally spots 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:52.360 the things that get shot. On my Nevada elk hunt, 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:55.640 which was took me ten years to draw, she spotted. 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:58.320 She's sitting right next to a professional hunter and she 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:01.439 spot appen to spot yell that I ended up shooting. 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:06.760 Every time she cries for that animal. Then she wipes 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:11.240 her tears away and she will put on probably what's 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:14.320 close to her body weight and meat on her back 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:18.199 and pack it out. But she loves the process of hunting. 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:22.600 But she has told me she could never kill something herself. So, 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:28.400 you know, a lot of people their families. My family 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:31.760 dynamic was my dad hunted, my mom did not, but 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:37.840 she enjoyed going out. I never had a desire to 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:42.840 look for a spouse or partner that hunted. It was 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:45.640 not in my radar. It wasn't something that I wanted. 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:48.600 It was actually something that I seeked to find. Somebody 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:53.559 that didn't hunt, not some weird Freudian whatever thing. And 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:55.800 you're like, I'm just gonna be honest with myself. But 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:59.200 to be honest, I thought, Yeah, I've got a buddy 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:01.960 whose wives hunts. And what does he do. He guides 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:05.520 his wife hunting all the time. Not that that's typical 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:09.760 every time and not that. And if you're my buddy 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:11.160 and you're listening to this and you think it's you, 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:14.200 it's probably not you. It could be my other buddy, 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:17.920 A lot of buddy. Everybody just calmed down, But it's 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:21.440 not you. But I got I got it all the time. 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:25.720 That's my job. So when I go out, do I 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:29.320 want to be taking somebody else hunting? No. I like 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:31.560 to hunt alone. I like to do my own thing. 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:34.840 That's how that's my escape, that's how I reset, is 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:41.640 to be out alone. Well, hm, my fiance, current fiance, 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:50.160 my only fiace, let's walk that back, my lovely by current, 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:52.800 I meant she's my fiance now, but she will be 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:56.040 my wife. Got it, got it, we got saved it saved. 0:14:56.800 --> 0:15:02.120 Um Well, actually, you know I was gonna say my 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:06.360 current fiance is a hunter, but she was not a hunter. 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:12.480 Maybe I'm digging myself all that whatever, does that make sense? 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:15.800 When I met her, she had said to me she 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:20.920 would enjoy going out, but she did not hunt. She 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.920 never could see herself killing an animal. And I thought 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:29.480 that's fine. And I was like, dude, like wild game meat, yes, score, 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:31.680 because that's that right, there is a deal breaker for me. 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:34.200 Well if she met my wife, right, my my wife. 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:39.560 I took her squirrel hunting one time, uh in the Ozarks. 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:43.400 I shot two squirrels. It was hot that day, shot 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:48.720 two squirrels. She said, this sucks, let's go back. And 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:51.480 that's the only time. That's the only time we went 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:54.160 out hunting together. But she can cook the hell out 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:55.800 of that squirrel. She can cook the hell out of 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:58.000 an elk. She happily does it. But I had to 0:15:58.000 --> 0:15:59.520 get her to that point. Like when I first met her, 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:02.640 she had that tried that stuff. But now if I 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:04.240 go out and I'm like call her on day three, 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:05.880 I'm like, I'm having a tough elk hunt, She's like, 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:08.000 are you see an elk? Like yeah, she said, just 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:10.840 shoot one. We need to meet Like that's come home, 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:14.080 come home, come home. We need that. And so I 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:18.120 have that separation church and state where she is very 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:22.600 much in support of those efforts, almost to her own benefit, 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:24.480 like she understands. And then when I bring the meat 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:26.560 home and we start I start processing, and she's got 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:28.360 a lot of like, oh, I'll take some steaks out 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:30.360 of that, let's go butterfly with those, will go three 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:33.320 inch with those, those will just take this, make some hamburger, 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:36.280 And she has these exactly what she wants. What have 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:37.760 we try making lunch? Me? Do we need to get 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:41.840 a slicer? I was thinking this is I don't think 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:43.960 I would want in any other way. Not that if 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:47.400 she tomorrow turned up like your fiance did and said like, 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:49.640 let's let's give it a shot. I'd love to see 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:51.520 what it's like. Not that I wouldn't jump for a 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:53.400 joy to spend that time with her. But at the 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:55.560 same time, I appreciate what we have right now. I 0:16:55.560 --> 0:17:00.000 don't know want to change it. Yeah, but you probably 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:02.400 feel the same way I do. Is, whether she hunts 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:05.920 or not, if she turned her nose up to wild game, 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:08.720 it would be a very hard household to live in. Oh. 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:14.280 I mean that's that's that to me is more different 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:17.639 than having a difference of political opinion. Well, I was. 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:22.120 I had the first experience where I liked so Hannah, 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:24.840 my wife, it goes to a lot of mom groups 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:26.639 and stuff. If she stayed at home mom and she 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:31.159 met this this um husband and wife team and they 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:34.359 both um or very nice people. We went to their 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:36.720 house for a little dinner party and I just they 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:39.280 asked if I would bring some alchemy, so they've never 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:42.000 had it before. So I brought some elk less nice 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:44.359 chunk of backstrap, which to me is like this. You know, 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:46.880 if I didn't like him, I would have brought him 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:49.199 some sausage. I thought, maybe we could be friends with 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:51.719 these people. I'll bring them some backstrap. Will we go 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:54.560 over there? And I cooked it up on the grille, 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:56.920 which I you know, I didn't have any tools in 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:59.440 my own. I just figured we'll just cooking in their environment. 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:02.879 It's it's not gonna be bad. It's elk cooked it 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:07.160 up pretty ill in a grill. When Webber grill cooked 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:11.680 it up, it was good. Slice it up and uh, 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:14.159 the husband ate it up, was loving life. And the 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:17.959 wife slices a piece of it off and eats it, 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:20.840 and I'm like kind of watching her like weird reactions 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:23.520 and church kind of hide her like what seemed like 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:27.080 discussed And my wife said, like, how did you like it? 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:29.440 She said, m m, it tastes a lot like liver. 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:34.560 And I just thought, that's the worst reaction. I've never 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:39.080 heard that reaction to a medium rare backstrap in my 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:42.040 entire life. And I could see the guy think. The 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:46.800 embarrassment on the guy's face was was clear to me, 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:49.200 and I just thought it made a thounce my wife, 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:50.920 I don't know what I would do. I'm not sure 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:55.879 what I would do that I understand. Yeah, yeah, so 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:58.800 where was it? Oh, yeah, I was. I was just 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:04.159 talking about how my fiance before she started, before she 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:07.919 actually went hunting, she would go with me in New 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:12.560 Zealand and we would hike up the mountains and I 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:17.080 would shoot the animals. But every step of the way 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:20.879 she was one like walking my footsteps. I've hunted with 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:23.439 a lot of people in a lot of places. She 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:25.879 was the only person I've ever met that could keep 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:29.960 up with me. Therefore, she is a badass, whether she 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:34.359 will She's very humble, she is a school teacher. She 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:37.560 likes to keep to her own. She has zero social media. 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:41.760 She will not go on social media. She is very 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:47.400 very reserved. Doesn't I have a Google home in my house? 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:51.639 She doesn't like them. It's listening to us, right, let 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:54.600 me may work for the CIA. I'm not sure. Lets 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:57.400 this question. Did she know anything when you guys got 0:19:57.400 --> 0:20:00.600 together and started getting serious. Did she know about your 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:03.080 you know, like who you were in the hunting industry 0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:05.280 or or now you're standing there, or did she just 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:09.760 think you're some hunting fellow that play at a profession? Yeah, 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:12.959 she's like, this is interesting. What do you do? I 0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:16.240 don't care what do you do? No, but she she 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:19.680 actually came to Montana and did some cooking and kind 0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:22.080 of like learned what I did just to get a 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:25.320 better sense of everything that I do, which is cool, 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:28.280 and go to New Zealand and all that. I mean, 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:31.600 she's a school teacher, which is awesome, just very caring 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:36.320 and but she can keep up like nobody else I've 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:40.120 ever met. That's pretty awesome. Okay, it doesn't matter, however, 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:46.760 Uh we read she recently shot her first dear, which 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:51.040 who was she was extremely excited and watching her go 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:55.320 through the emotion of it. Yeah, I mean, she she 0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:58.960 shot the deer and she made a perfect shot. I'm 0:20:59.000 --> 0:21:03.600 talking like, she's a very good shot. Her dad's a 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:06.040 good shot too, so her dad taught her to shoot. 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:08.920 But she never wanted to hunt. But she's a very 0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:13.639 good shot, so she shoots, makes a great shot. Wow, Okay, 0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:16.040 now I'm gonna lock the guns and the guns safe 0:21:16.040 --> 0:21:22.880 and never give you the combinations. Just kidding. Um, where 0:21:22.920 --> 0:21:24.280 was he going with that? I think that was all 0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:26.960 because of the punching bag thing, and then fear of 0:21:27.000 --> 0:21:29.760 the lady, and then well, just wasn't feeling what it 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:33.080 feels like that somebody who now it wasn't a hunter. 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:36.720 You felt comfortable with that idea, you grew up with that. 0:21:37.119 --> 0:21:44.120 But now she understands what hunting is, and she's gone 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:47.040 through the steps that I went through when I first 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:49.920 started hunting. Now she went through maybe a little more 0:21:50.080 --> 0:21:55.119 range of emotion, but she understands what it means to 0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:59.200 kill what you eat. She understands what it means when 0:21:59.240 --> 0:22:03.879 I put the biggest thing that I saw was originally 0:22:03.920 --> 0:22:06.760 she thought, oh you can have you can do whatever 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:09.920 you want in the other parts of the house, antlers whatever, 0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:16.320 not too many, but no antlers in the better I 0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:20.320 agreed to that. I'm a sensible man. You know you can. 0:22:20.400 --> 0:22:26.360 There's some things you can, right. I agreed to that. 0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:30.240 People out there thinking Remy is a hard core motherfucker 0:22:30.800 --> 0:22:32.840 he would never agree to that. I agreed to that. 0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:36.600 But when she shot her first dear and it happened 0:22:36.640 --> 0:22:39.199 to be a buck, we weren't actually trying for a bucker. 0:22:39.359 --> 0:22:42.320 We were just whatever dear we could. It was access 0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:44.040 to dear and most of them have lost their antlers. 0:22:44.040 --> 0:22:46.080 But it's cool that she got a buck I actually 0:22:46.080 --> 0:22:50.720 really wanted to get. She didn't care. She just wants 0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:54.280 to meet. But when she shot her first buck, the 0:22:54.440 --> 0:23:00.720 range of emotion and then she was like, wow, these 0:23:00.760 --> 0:23:03.159 antlers are mine. Now I want to put them up 0:23:03.200 --> 0:23:04.960 on the wall. I have a perfect place for it, 0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:08.080 right above the bed, in the bed, in our bedroom. 0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:11.199 And I was like, now you get it. Now you 0:23:11.280 --> 0:23:15.440 get the value that I put on it. It's not 0:23:15.880 --> 0:23:20.600 it wasn't a giant buck. It was no quote unquote 0:23:20.600 --> 0:23:27.320 air quote trophy. But she went through a range of emotions. 0:23:27.359 --> 0:23:31.080 She cried. It was she had taken the life of 0:23:31.119 --> 0:23:34.920 something that was beautiful. What was beautiful then became meat 0:23:35.440 --> 0:23:40.159 that we ate and nourished our bodies and was good 0:23:40.200 --> 0:23:45.080 and healthy for us, and then those antlers became a 0:23:45.119 --> 0:23:47.359 symbol of the experience in the way she describes it 0:23:47.400 --> 0:23:51.000 as one of the most vivid experiences of her life, 0:23:51.560 --> 0:23:55.879 like a very clear defining moment from someone that didn't 0:23:55.960 --> 0:23:59.439 hunt and thought could never hunt to now wanting to 0:23:59.480 --> 0:24:02.800 put those antlers up on the wall, and to me, 0:24:02.920 --> 0:24:07.879 that validates the process of hunting, the process of antlers. 0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:10.120 I have mounts in my house and what those mean 0:24:10.200 --> 0:24:15.760 to me. It doesn't mean some trophy, some chest pounding trophy. 0:24:15.800 --> 0:24:18.879 To me, it's a memory that when the meat in 0:24:18.920 --> 0:24:22.480 the freezer is long gone, I will forever remember the 0:24:22.560 --> 0:24:25.720 animal that sacrificed its life. And it's it's funny to 0:24:25.760 --> 0:24:27.960 me that we we as hunters have so not we 0:24:28.200 --> 0:24:32.320 not maybe not me and you, um, but maybe like 0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:34.840 our upbringing brought this on a little bit. It was 0:24:34.840 --> 0:24:39.240 funny we as hunters have so poorly represented the idea 0:24:39.280 --> 0:24:42.840 that you're talking about. I was watching I was watching 0:24:42.840 --> 0:24:45.480 the other day, like the trophy documentary on CNN. That's 0:24:45.480 --> 0:24:48.200 why I watched that. And then I was watching some 0:24:48.840 --> 0:24:51.760 NR a t V just as I wanted to kind 0:24:51.760 --> 0:24:54.760 of catch what was what was stirring up controversy. And 0:24:54.760 --> 0:24:57.440 then there was in both cases there was people who 0:24:57.480 --> 0:25:01.320 had trophy rooms that were literally one giant room with 0:25:01.600 --> 0:25:05.200 upwards of a hundred and seventy five heads full body 0:25:05.200 --> 0:25:10.120