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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome episode number six of the Honey Collective.

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Speaker 1: I'm been O'Brien. I'm joined today by none other than

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Speaker 1: Remy Lauren. I'm sure you know Remy from his appearances

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Speaker 1: on Solo Hunter. He's been featured on Meat Eater, he

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Speaker 1: once had a show by the name Apex Predator, and

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Speaker 1: he is most generally a badass. This podcast I believe

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Speaker 1: you'll enjoy, mostly just because we were sitting on a porch,

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Speaker 1: talking about values, and generally just shooting the ship, as

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Speaker 1: as two people who enjoy spending time together, had a

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Speaker 1: great meal, had a few after after dinner beers, and

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Speaker 1: recorded a conversation that we both enjoyed having. So I

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Speaker 1: won't say much more about Remy, or about the podcast

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Speaker 1: or about the conversation other than to say I hope

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Speaker 1: you enjoy. We sure did Episode number six. Putting my

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Speaker 1: line in my corona, my line is also in my corona. Now,

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Speaker 1: let me tell everybody out there a little story me

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Speaker 1: and Banner sipping coronas in his backyard at this time.

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Speaker 1: But the corona part flashes me back to I don't

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Speaker 1: know a few weeks ago when we did this very

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Speaker 1: same podcast, Yet Ben decided to use a memory card

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Speaker 1: that was probably less storage space than a U what

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Speaker 1: is it, no, Kia Razor. It came out of my

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Speaker 1: game boy, Remember when you we're playing Snake on your

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Speaker 1: on it. So we talked for an hour and a

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Speaker 1: put it on my computer and it it was one

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Speaker 1: of the best podcasts ever I will say it is.

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Speaker 1: It was a very avant garde podcast. It's like one

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Speaker 1: of those podcasts where it's it was an expression, it

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Speaker 1: and tell people on the podcast, and those people tell

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Speaker 1: those people and it spreads like wildfire through the community

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Speaker 1: of people will say, do you remember the time that

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Speaker 1: you heard about the time that you heard about the podcast?

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Speaker 1: Now did you hear that podcast? No? I didn't hear

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Speaker 1: that podcast either, but here's what I heard about that podcast. So,

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Speaker 1: like a Jackson Pollock paying for the rest of the

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Speaker 1: night to annoy Ben and everyone else, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: keep referring to the other podcast. Um It, it'll be

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Speaker 1: you know, we'll remember this years from now when we're

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Speaker 1: old and gray. We'll remember that podcast as as just

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Speaker 1: time lost in an age where everything was recorded. There

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Speaker 1: was a moment where we had a discussion we thought

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Speaker 1: was serious. It turned out to be nothing. Yet that

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Speaker 1: duck face picture you took still remains. All those gripping

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Speaker 1: grins I've been posting for the last ten years remained,

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Speaker 1: still remained. Well, it remains that we've seen. If this

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Speaker 1: I'm even weirder talking to the abyss and actually as

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Speaker 1: a fellow tech savy type of human, um, I'm checking myself.

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Speaker 1: You're out about eighteen right, Yeah, we're getting a little

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Speaker 1: record action. So let's see. I don't remember what we

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Speaker 1: talked about, and I don't really care. It doesn't matter what.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Tell me, tell me

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Speaker 1: if someone else was like, let's do a podcast, and

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Speaker 1: I did a podcast and it got deleted, and they're like,

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Speaker 1: let's redo the podcast. I would say, good luck, you

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Speaker 1: just tell the story. But because Ben O'Brien is a

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Speaker 1: very dear friend to me and I appreciate what he does,

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Speaker 1: I was like, of course, Ben, I don't think you

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Speaker 1: And I was like, would you like to return to

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Speaker 1: your upcoming nuptials. If you're comfortable with with going over

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Speaker 1: I'll do any kind of I will really divulge into

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Speaker 1: my life. I think people I like to be a

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Speaker 1: She is the catch, you told me. She gets up

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, Well, the hunter was with another

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Speaker 1: My mother is not a hunter, but she enjoys going out.

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Speaker 1: She enjoys the process of hunting. When she generally spots

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Speaker 1: She's sitting right next to a professional hunter and she

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Speaker 1: Every time she cries for that animal. Then she wipes

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Speaker 1: But she has told me she could never kill something herself. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, a lot of people their families. My family

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Speaker 1: It was actually something that I seeked to find. Somebody

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Speaker 1: but to you, it's not decoration, right, And she understands

426
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: even though she put that all together like a decorative

427
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 1: like piece, it looks, she understands what I what I

428
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: When you see it, you see a memory, and she

429
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: understands that. She's like me, I wanted to look nice.

430
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: I understand for you, this is what it's going to be.

431
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: And we talked about that when we uh moved into

432
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: this current place, like once we we had a kid

433
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,360
Speaker 1: to come at the decorating one out the window destroyed everything,

434
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: But well said, I said, I would like each room

435
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: to have have some totems in them, Like when I

436
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: walk into the room, I can think, like immediately I

437
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 1: just I look and our LA night trip last year,

438
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: my guest bedroom in there. I've got the access there.

439
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: I killed shot that thing at eight yard. It's not

440
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: ashamed to say I was at some point a shame

441
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: to say that, not after I thought through and then

442
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: I have a move fline in there that I shot

443
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: with a rifle basically off a truck, like at the

444
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: same at the same level, both from the same hunt. However,

445
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 1: we got a picture of Messian Well, I'll do I'll

446
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: talk about we gotta tell I think part of part

447
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: of this podcast. I hope we could just tell some

448
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: fucking hunting stores and get that get to that. Um.

449
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: But to me, that room even more over to representing

450
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: our hunt together, it represents that place, like how it

451
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 1: feels and what it means to me, and like how

452
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: it changed my perspective in the world, Like what the

453
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: islands of Hawaii are to be. They're a simpler place,

454
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: They're they're more pristine. Um, they're more cultural, they're more reverence.

455
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: So when I look at those heads, I think about

456
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: that culture, and I think about what from that culture

457
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 1: can I bring to my own home to better my

458
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: child or to better my wife, my relationship, my wife

459
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: and traditions that we could codify that make more sense. Um,

460
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 1: And so it's yeah, it's freaking way deeper than even

461
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: just an experience for me, Like it's well, the other

462
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: the other thing that I noticed is when I come

463
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: over to your house as a hunter, in your garage

464
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: there's sets mantlers. I get excited about them. Where did

465
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: this deer come from? Telling you about this, dear, it's

466
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: not some it's it's sharing an experience. It's remembering that animal,

467
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: that hunt, that struggle, the ones that didn't have a

468
00:28:55,840 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: struggle or story or a meaning. Oh that one, well,

469
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's every single one in there.

470
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: You go, Okay, this was this, this was Every animal

471
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: has a story. Now you go, antlers are on the wall. Yeah,

472
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: well the story is all the meats gone. We ate

473
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: that animal. You don't have to tell me about that.

474
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: I know that as a hunter, but we spend forty

475
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: five minutes every time I come to your house, I'm

476
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: looking through going, oh, yeah, what what was this one?

477
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: Where was that one from? Where did you get this?

478
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: Tell me about this? That's a cool bull. Look at

479
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: this bull out. Wow, that's a really neat bull. It's

480
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: not a giant bull, but it's a nice six point bull. Yeah.

481
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: That was my first bull in Colorado and we were

482
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: just talking about it. It's like, how about that moose.

483
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's the moose I shot with Joe roguean

484
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: like five years ago. When I first met Joe. I

485
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: didn't say, like, hey man, that's my right. I said,

486
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: that's the first moves I've ever killed. I killed it

487
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: with Joe Rogue is the first time him and I

488
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: ever got together. It's the start of our friendship. It

489
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: was awesome, And I'm like, is it a Canadian moose? Yeah,

490
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: Canadian moves. I've ne your hunting Canadians. That would be

491
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: a dream of mine to go hunt Canada because of

492
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: the venture, the place, the memories to everything. The meat

493
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: is a part of it is a big part of

494
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: it for me. But yet you have these antlers or

495
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: some people do mounts or whatever. I like having that memory,

496
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: so I don't forget. Okay, photo is the same, yes,

497
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: but you can't hold a photo in the same way

498
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: that you can hold well. Right, You're looking at that

499
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: bull I killed in the Colorado a couple of years ago,

500
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: and you're like looking, oh man, look at this, you know,

501
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: look at this little piece of metal jammed into his base,

502
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: or like there's just a the tangible feeling. That's why

503
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: I always and we've done this in our in our

504
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: professional career. Like you you contrive this picture of you

505
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: in the animal right, like you set the right lighting,

506
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: and you sometimes move the animal's body over to a

507
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: different area that looks more beautiful than where he actually died,

508
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: which is is almost taking away from that experiential piece

509
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: a little because you're now taking like he died in

510
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: the place he died, like and you pull him over

511
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: to I do. I've done that before. You take shoot

512
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: an animal in a brush pile and pull him over

513
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: to the night the nicest peak and take this photo

514
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: that's that is epic. Now that represents the landscape in

515
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: some way, but it also doesn't represent where the animal

516
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: died and what that experience was like. So that's one

517
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: thing that I found going forward I'd like to change

518
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: for me, is I want a photo of me and

519
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: the animal in the place that I died, where that

520
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: experience happened. You know, in the case of your wife,

521
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: maybe where she cried, like maybe in that place a

522
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: photo that kind of represents that moment. You'll never capture

523
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: that moment, and it's entirety. But at least you can

524
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: represent what where you were and what it felt like

525
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: for you know, think about thirty four years from now,

526
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: what that what that will be for you? You know

527
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: what that moment, tear felt moment over the deer would be.

528
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: Um And why would I not want that to be

529
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: well represented in a photo? Why does it have to

530
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: be fucking you know, cut the tongue off and wipe

531
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: the blood off and do that, you know, like, what's

532
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: the what's the value in that, you know, other than

533
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: a trading card? Well, and and and here's where we

534
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: may agree or we may disagree. I don't know. I

535
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: hope we disagree because that we can and then we

536
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: can talk about what we talk about. They agree, it

537
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: will be bored when I okay, yeah, I actually didn't

538
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: know where this podcast was going because our last one

539
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: just win a completely different direction. I had to refer

540
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: to the last one so I can release that. It's

541
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: like podcast number one, I'll be surprise. And you talked

542
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: like you're not your wife will here back? Oh my god,

543
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: why did you say that? Fast? Okay? I like, if

544
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: I take here's here's the way I see it. If

545
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: I take what we would call a gripping grin because

546
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: I I actually getting the corona burp pop there inside.

547
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: We're gonna call you out on it too, don't you.

548
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: We're drinking beer here now we're moving our little microphones

549
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: to to burp and mac noise. You don't want um?

550
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: Okay if you? Oh yeah, I'm talking about the gripping grin.

551
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: When I take I take what I consider really good

552
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: gripping grins because I do it for clients and I

553
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: do it for myself, and I set the animal in

554
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: a way. When I look at a hunting photo, I

555
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: don't give ship hoo's in the background. I don't even

556
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: see the person in the background. I'm looking at the animal.

557
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: And for me, when I set a picture, I want

558
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: it to be an acceptable representation to showcase that animal.

559
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: And that's the way that I give respect to that animal,

560
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: because I know that I might be in the background.

561
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: But it's not about who's in the background. I mean,

562
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: you could show me a picture of a mule here

563
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: and I couldn't tell you whose faces in it because

564
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: I'm staring at the rap right. Priorities, priorities. But if

565
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: the animal looks like in a disgusting manner or whatever

566
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: that does not show it in the best light. I

567
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: don't like that because I like the animal to be

568
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 1: represented in a way that gives value to the animal.

569
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: So if I'm sitting behind an elk and I set

570
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: it up in the elk looks, You're like, oh my god,

571
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 1: look at that elk and I'm in the background. That's perfect.

572
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: That's what I wanted as a photographer and as a

573
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: hunter and as a guide. That's what I wanted. That's

574
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: what I was going and I would make it clear

575
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: that on my side of things. And I feel like

576
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:55,959
Speaker 1: this is going to be some kind of underlying theme

577
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 1: of this podcast. But have you talked about this before.

578
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: We've talked about listening podcast. I've talked about it. But

579
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: I like the different Like there's a lot of these

580
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: subjects that come up, probably because I kind of lean

581
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: towards them, but they come up, and then there's always

582
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: different angles on on the subject, even if you talk

583
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: about it six times. But in this case, I'd like

584
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 1: to say I don't have a problem with the idea

585
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: of what you're talking about. The grip and grid. I don't.

586
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: I do it all the time. But what I've come

587
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: to to understand about in my own mind about it

588
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 1: is that where it shows up is the importance because

589
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: when you and I trade back grip and grins, we

590
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: know what that means. Like you and I know, like

591
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: the in the first role of journalism is know your audience.

592
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: So you know, if I take a grip and grin

593
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: and I just sent it to you, and I'm like, dude,

594
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 1: check this ship out, and that's awesome, Dude, what a dear,

595
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: and that's our conversation. Great. There's nothing in that that

596
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: could be There's no preconceived notions or no lack of

597
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: knowledge around that. Deer. If I put that online for

598
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: how many hundreds or thousands of people keep we're gonna

599
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: We're gonna do that every every te um. If I

600
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: if I take that grip and grid and then put

601
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: it online, I don't know who might see it. I

602
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: don't know who my audience is. I I think I

603
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: might know, but I don't. I don't know. And so

604
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: my idea is to take the grip and grand if

605
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: you feel strongly about that personally, it's a personal thing

606
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: that you really feel like you have to do, but

607
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: just be be cognizant of where it goes like this,

608
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: if it goes out to social media, be you know,

609
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: be cognizant. I mean there was to be quite honest. Um,

610
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: there's a guy out there who posted this really heartfelt

611
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 1: written piece about hunting mountain lions a couple of weeks ago,

612
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: a real famous fella in the hunting industry, and the

613
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: image did not go with the text. The image to

614
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: somebody who's never hunting before, it was like this mountain

615
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: lion over his shoulders and just him run to the snow,

616
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: and it's all dramatic and seemingly contrived, and you're just thinking,

617
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: if you would have just got that, if you would

618
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,919
Speaker 1: have just got that different the words would have matched

619
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: the image, because the words don't match the image for

620
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: people that don't know. But for me as a hunter,

621
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: I know what that image means. I know what you're

622
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: trying to pick there, So I'm cool with it. But

623
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: the idea of someone else missing out on that awesome

624
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: experience because they see they preconceive the notion that that

625
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: thing is might be negative. Did it tells me that

626
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 1: there's there's something we can change in that, and there's

627
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: something we've maybe should change. That's a lot about that's

628
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: a lot that goes into a lot of the things

629
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: that we're talking about in our last podcast. Okay, now

630
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 1: here's where I will agree and I will respectfully disagree

631
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: because I know which mountain lion photo and thing you're

632
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: talking about, and I actually thought that that was really

633
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: well done my opinion. You thought the mountain lion was

634
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: all done? Yeah, I thought I liked the photo. That

635
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: my personal opinion. I thought the photo was very tasteful.

636
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 1: And it was also a friend of ours that took

637
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: the photo, and I thought he did a really good job.

638
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: If we're thinking about the same one, I hope we are. Okay.

639
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 1: It was very recent. It was in British Columbia. Yeah, Okay.

640
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: I I thought I the image captivated me personally, and

641
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: I thought it captivated me enough. Because here's the thing

642
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: I have. I had another friend and he wouldn't care

643
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: if I talked about it, But I had another friend

644
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: post a picture of him with a mountain lion. He's

645
00:38:54,680 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: a Canadian, and that picture got blown out of proportion,

646
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 1: disseminated to europe okay, grabbed ahold of by European mainstream

647
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: media in the UK. He then got on blast hate

648
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: mail death threats, the British Prime minister calling his penis

649
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: small or not not even know the Canadian Prime minister,

650
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: the lady Canadian prime Minister saying that he had a

651
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: small penis. I mean it was. He became infamous in Canada,

652
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: one of a thousand people holding a mountain lion. He

653
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: ate the mountain lion. I know him, you know, I

654
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 1: know what he stands for. I do not think he's

655
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: a disrespectful hunter. They made a television episode which I

656
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: saw at just before they I don't think. I don't

657
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: even know if it's gone to tair or whatever. I

658
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,959
Speaker 1: saw this and everything in that episode. If you saw

659
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: the whole story, you would understand the story. But the

660
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: picture and the caption and the understanding didn't. And because

661
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: mountain lions are a sensitive subject, people do not know

662
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: about them, they don't understand them, and people that don't

663
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: are the most vocal. He got blown way out of

664
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: proportion and it was a bad deal for him and

665
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: hunting in general, for him, other Canadians people who hunt

666
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:48,439
Speaker 1: mountain lions, which there's nothing wrong with now, especially there's

667
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: really nothing wrong with in our current management system. Now

668
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: let me talk. Now I'm going to take a little

669
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: rabbit trail just for ten secs. We've got ours. We've

670
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: got ours listening to this rabbit trail by you existing.

671
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: M Okay, Let's let's pretend there's a person that doesn't hunt.

672
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: It's listening. That's not going to happen. But there's a

673
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: person listening that doesn't hunt. By that person existing means

674
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: that we need to hunt the mountainline. What what why

675
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: is that? Well, let me explain. Let's take my home

676
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: state in Nevada. For instance, native species in Nevada would

677
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: be a mule deer. Okay, a mule deer is a browser.

678
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: The browser requires certain habitat to exist. Through thousands of

679
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,479
Speaker 1: years of evolution, that mule deer has grown to fill

680
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: a niche in an ecosystem over a very long period

681
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: of time. Now, Native Americans even further back than that

682
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: hunted these animals. They were apex predator in this ecosystem

683
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: where this animal lift. Over time, this animal's habitat has changed,

684
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: it's adapted, but it is still primarily a browser. It

685
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: lives in the mountains. It finds refuge and safety in

686
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: the habitat that it's involved to live in. During the

687
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: winter time, it migrates into other areas. But it's a

688
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 1: high desert area. It needs tall sage, it needs mahoganies,

689
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: it needs buckbrush, and it needs some form of high

690
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 1: protein grasses. Now, by you existing, what does that mean?

691
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: That means that you as a human have negatively I

692
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: acted those dear whether you know it or not. How

693
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: first off, there are many animals in that landscape that

694
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: should not exist there. Maybe you're the person that doesn't hunt,

695
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 1: and you're the person champion championing, championing, third times a

696
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: charm for a wild horse or feral horse which is

697
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: a larger, more aggressive species that has no natural predators

698
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: yet in a high desert competes and outcompetes for the

699
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: same water source. Okay, so it outcompetes for the same

700
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: water source. So now the mule deer, which now you

701
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 1: will the horse. Now, no, the horse has no predators.

702
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: So the horse can go into the flats into where

703
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: there's no cover and live on water. Once it's destroyed

704
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: the water sources in the mountain, mule your habitat which

705
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: the horse would prefer. Once those are gone, it can

706
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: now move into flast the meal you cannot and there's

707
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,919
Speaker 1: a reason because they are a lot easier to kill

708
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: in certain places by predator the mountain line. So the

709
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: mule here is now competing against the horse, which was

710
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: introduced by man. Also, a guy's driving down the highway

711
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:39,720
Speaker 1: and he throws a cigarette out the window and starts

712
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: a forest fire. Okay, that forest fire rages through an area,

713
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: which fires naturally create new growth. But there's thousands of

714
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:02,760
Speaker 1: invasive plant species that now take over this new growth,

715
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: one of them in this particular area that I'm talking about.

716
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: Just this isn't a hypothetical, this is real life. Cheat grass.

717
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: Cheat grass outcompetes native grasses for the soil content, grows faster,

718
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: has nothing then the mules you can eat, but now

719
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: you know these invasive animals and other things can eat it.

720
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: We just sitting back in our homes don't realize the

721
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: devastation is humans we've placed on the environment. Now you're

722
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: sitting in your house in a valley outside of a city,

723
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,959
Speaker 1: in a suburb which was prime winter range for mule there.

724
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: So now they are at a loss because their water

725
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: sources are damaged. They're areas are burned and replaced with

726
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: non native species of grass. That they need or cannot

727
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:04,479
Speaker 1: live in on suitable habitat. And we also have things

728
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: like a fire starts from lightning and then we go

729
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: suppress the fire so it can't get new growth, but

730
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: that new growth either way would be infested with non

731
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 1: native species of grass. So now we have a deer

732
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: population the needs managed because the environment can't be cannot

733
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: balance itself. And you also have to remember that human

734
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: hunters have always been a part of the equation. So

735
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: now we have this number because of human interference, needs

736
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: to be managed. Now we have a population of mountain

737
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: lions that feed on the deer that need to be managed.

738
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: The deer need to be managed for a reason. The

739
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: mountain lions now need to be managed to in turn

740
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: manage the herd of deer that we need to manage

741
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 1: because of our shittiness. Long story is, we now need

742
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: to manage mountain lions, so that that's the justification for now.

743
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: I felt that that photo was captivating enough for me

744
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: to read a thoughtful caption which I thought made a

745
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: good point about the hunting and what goes into mountain lines.

746
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: So someone that had no clue reads it and goes

747
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: m hm, and that's all you need. Yes, So that's

748
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: why I disagree with you on that one. However, in

749
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 1: our last Invisible podcast, I had said that I think

750
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: there is is a disconnect between hunters and what you're

751
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 1: putting out to the general public and what is good

752
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: for hunting and what is good for the individual. I

753
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: had said that me personally, I hunt bears. Oh you

754
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: want bears now? I sometimes I don't necessarily like bear meat,

755
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: like a like alchemy. I stopped hunting bears for a

756
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: very long time for no other reason than I just

757
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: over it. Then I hadn't hunted bears for a while,

758
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: so I thought, yeah, well, good hunt bears and it

759
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: was exciting and fun. And I still eat bears, generally

760
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: make sausage out of them. Some people love bear meat

761
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: not meat. It's okay, It's not bad. I don't. I

762
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,040
Speaker 1: don't dislike it. There's just other things. I appreciate what

763
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 1: you're saying that because I feel like there's a lot

764
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: of over compensation when it comes to bear me because

765
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: people attack bear hunters so much. I love the meeting.

766
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:11,240
Speaker 1: Do you do you really love the meat? It's it's different.

767
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 1: But I also I'm not gonna lie. I have some

768
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: kind of emotional connection to certain large predators, the same

769
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: emotional connection that many non hunters have. And that's not

770
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:28,959
Speaker 1: a lie, that's just me personally. Yeah, I I see

771
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with wolf funding. I've guided many hunters wolves.

772
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 1: I've never shot one. Now I've tried. In the early years,

773
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: I thought okay, because I had so many experiences with

774
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: wolves around me before it was legal to hunt them,

775
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: many experiences, probably more. I think I had sixty wolf

776
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: encounters in one in one like in one year, I

777
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: don't know, before the seasons were open, I mean documented,

778
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: just I practiced calling to them. I could call them, man.

779
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: I knew these animals in a way that very few

780
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 1: people would. I did it because I thought these animals

781
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: need manage them when the open a season. I want

782
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: to be the one person that can effectively hunt these animals.

783
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: When they finally opened a season, I thought I didn't

784
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: really care anymore because I maybe because I had some

785
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: kind of emotional connection. I grew up with a pet

786
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: wolf like. I really liked the animals, so I had

787
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: some kind of emotionalation. But that does not say that

788
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 1: I wouldn't shoot one because they need to be managed.

789
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: That also doesn't say that we should let emotion manage

790
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: wild I believe if I'm going to stick to the

791
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: theory of sound wildlife management through certain principles, and I'm

792
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 1: gonna stick to it no matter what. Yeah, Well, the

793
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: question I just we had a good conversation with Shane

794
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: Mahoney little podcast number five, and it was very much

795
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,760
Speaker 1: about like the answer answer the question what is best

796
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: for wildlife? What is best for the wildlife in Montana

797
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: where you got in Nevada where you live, and you

798
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: very clearly are always thinking what's best for the what

799
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: not what's best for me, remy the hunter who wants

800
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: to go and shoot a wolf and hanging on my wall.

801
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: But what's best for the elk? The wolf? Me as

802
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: a human, my own consumptive habits, what's best for all

803
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: those things? Like what is best not what's best for

804
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: the one wolf, what's best for everything? And it's totality,

805
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 1: that's the that's the idea. Exactly a lot of these areas,

806
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: wolves and elk have been so far removed from each

807
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:52,760
Speaker 1: other that it negatively affected the environment. Now, it affected

808
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: the behaviors, it affected a reproduction. There's a plenty of

809
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 1: studies out there they say, oh, this and that, and

810
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: now in my particular area, wolves were not killing as

811
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:12,720
Speaker 1: many animals. They found out as many elk as mountain lines. Yeah,

812
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: everybody blames the wolves. Wow, there's a lot of a

813
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: lot of facts. I'm gonna I'm gonna just preface it

814
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: with this. I'm not a biologist, but I spent a

815
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: lot of time of observing animals in their natural environment.

816
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: I see things many biologists who have to go into

817
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: a desk and make reports don't see. Now, there are

818
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: a lot of biologists that biologists do amazing job. I've

819
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: met with a lot of them. But biology is a

820
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:53,800
Speaker 1: lot about observation, and I get the privilege to observe

821
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: a lot. I pay attention to a lot of things

822
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,919
Speaker 1: because if I don't notice the small things, I will

823
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: not become the most efficient predator that it can be.

824
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 1: So I noticed a lot of things. Where I'm going

825
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: with this, no clue. That's not even talking about We

826
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 1: just wanted to do a humble brag. Well I am

827
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: not a biologist. I just remember you saying that you're

828
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 1: not a biologist. That's all. No, we started out and

829
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: some we went down a rabbit hole that was gonna

830
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: be ten seconds and now we're talking about wolves. That's

831
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 1: how this stuff works. Bullshit, really, but that's weird, the

832
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: emotionality of wolves. What I don't even know. I was

833
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: talking about people that don't hunt bastards and then seeing

834
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 1: may we were talking about antlers and either way, I

835
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: don't know, and be like, damn, that's where I was.

836
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: That's where there was nine coronas ago. Dang it, dang it. Well, listen, yeah,

837
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: we're well into the evening. What it's late in the

838
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 1: late of the nighttime, things like this to bed. No,

839
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 1: hell no, hell no, no, we're gonna shift. We'll just

840
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: shift to something fucking else that we well talking about. Oh,

841
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: social media? Yes, okay, so that was such a long

842
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 1: social media gripping grip and grins. Yeah, listen, So last year,

843
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: hunting to me, this is this is the key this

844
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 1: I said all that to say this to me, hunting

845
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 1: is extremely important to see hunting go on is extremely

846
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 1: important it to me, And this is my personal opinion.

847
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 1: So and I'm not singling anyone out. This is my

848
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: personal opinion. Hunting to me, is more important than anything

849
00:54:56,520 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: else I do. I understand that I have made a

850
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 1: living hunting. I've also made that living in some in

851
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: some ways being in the limelight of showcasing hunting to

852
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: other people. Okay, now, in my mind, I only do

853
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: that for the benefit of hunting for hunters, But I

854
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 1: am also very cognizant of those that are in the

855
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: middle because in America and many hunters do not understand this.

856
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: But this is the absolute truth of it. Hunting is

857
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 1: not a right. No hunting is a privilege. Hunting is

858
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: a privilege granted to us by many people in the

859
00:55:54,520 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 1: middle that are neither hunters nor no hunters. There's probably

860
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: a like people now the second Amendment, that's the right. Yep.

861
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: If you're into a R fifteen, you can scream rights

862
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 1: all you want, right because it's written into our constitute.

863
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: Hunting there is no constitutional amendment for hunting. No hunting

864
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: is Hunting, especially in the modern sense, is an idea

865
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:28,399
Speaker 1: that was codified in the nineteen thirties, really, and that

866
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: has evolved into this thing we know today through so

867
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: many twists and turns. You could you wouldn't believe it

868
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 1: if I if you told you the true story of

869
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: hunting is the conservation and management tool that is a

870
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 1: privilege granted to us by what I would I'm going

871
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: to call the decision makers. Now, the decision makers are

872
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: the people in the middle, the people it's your house

873
00:56:54,600 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: to left into the right. Okay, so we have decision makers.

874
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 1: They're the ones that make the decisions. These decision makers

875
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: when they see something. Because now, if you wanted to

876
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: be influenced by hunting, you had to go into a

877
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: sporting goods store. You can see the pictures on the wall.

878
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: You have to make a conscious effort. With social media

879
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: being so public, anybody can see the what I would

880
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: call the bragboard of the local sportsman's warehouse. I forgot

881
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: about that. That is a thing. Uh. Now, when I

882
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: was a kid, I loved going into my local is

883
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: called Mark forns Trick. If you're ever in Reno, Nevada,

884
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: do yourself a favor and go into a sporting goods

885
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,439
Speaker 1: store called Mark forn Strike. There's a big elk sign.

886
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: It's on kids skiway. I loved going to that place. No,

887
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: because the mom and pop like badass sporting a story

888
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: that p will actually know what the hell they're talking about. Disappearing,

889
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: do you remember, I'm sure I don't know if it wasn't.

890
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, was that West? I mean, we're the

891
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: same age basically when I was a kid, will you

892
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: too the deer? And once you were done skin in

893
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: it and it was in the truck, or once you

894
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: were done gutting and then it was in the truck.

895
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: The next most exciting thing to do was to drive

896
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: up to the check in station your truck, go in,

897
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: check your deer in, get a cold cut sandwich, and

898
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: then stand by that truck and eat that sandwich and

899
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: and and happily wait for everyone to run up and

900
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: ask about the deer. Like that was That was the moment.

901
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: That was social media, but it was social media where

902
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: we knew the auditor. Yeah, it wasn't like it wasn't

903
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: somebody from San Francisco going, what the hell's in the

904
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: back of your truck? Right? I would walk to the

905
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: back of mark for a strike in the back you

906
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: had to walk through. You had to walk past thirty

907
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: five mounts that I stared at and dreamed about hunting

908
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: those animals or finding something like that constantly. You had

909
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: to go to the back. You had to take a pin.

910
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: You had to get a pin from the line counter,

911
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: which was next to a giant mounted polar bear in

912
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: a case from the nineties. You had to pin that

913
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: on the board and you could write something whatever, and

914
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: I would first place I would go as I would

915
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 1: go back to that board and I would look at

916
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: what people had got and and then if I got

917
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: something I was fortunate enough to be successful, I would

918
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: put my picture up there and other hunters could see

919
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: what I got. But it was just hunters. It was it.

920
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: There was no it wasn't It was open to the public, sure,

921
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: but it was very specific audiences. Was gonna be like

922
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 1: I was going to Sea World, walked past the polar

923
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 1: bear amountain to go to the bagboard. I was trying

924
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: to get any problems. I was trying to get pepper.

925
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 1: So what I'm saying is we are all ambassadors for

926
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 1: the sport of hunting when it becomes public, to the

927
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 1: to the decision makers. Now, if you do something that

928
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 1: can potentially hurt hunting in general, I am very much

929
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 1: against that. For me. There's certain things that just are

930
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: to for for me. I shot a great bear last

931
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: year in Montana. There was a big bear. It was

932
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 1: a mature bore above average size. I know for a

933
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: fact if I posted that picture, it would have increased

934
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 1: my awareness or popularity in the hunting community because hunters

935
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 1: would have seen it, they would have liked it. Also,

936
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: I know that non hunters would have hated it and

937
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 1: they would have jumped in against me. And then hunters

938
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 1: would have joined the bandway again and defended me tooth

939
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: and nail. And what would the overall outcome be of that.

940
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: My personal following would grow because of some crazy algorithms

941
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: and social media, yet hunting in general would suffer. So

942
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: I chose to protect hunting because just because it's legal,

943
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 1: just because it's ethical, just because hunters understand the meaning

944
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: behind it, does not mean that it needs to be

945
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 1: shared with Because when you throw a big net out

946
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 1: there to the decision makers, certain things will stick in.

947
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: Certain things won't. Well, we know, we know that carnivores specifically,

948
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 1: there's an issue we understand. Like you could go inside

949
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: right now to my house and you could find that

950
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: my son has I counted one time, I always put

951
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 1: it all. I was almost gonna do instants or just

952
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 1: all the bear related pair finalia that my son parapdise

953
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 1: probably not a good word. Bear finalia that my son

954
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 1: has in his room throughout our home. He has bear pajamas.

955
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 1: He has a bare doll, he has a bare wind

956
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: up toy that flops around the fucking room. He has

957
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 1: bears to him at this point in his life and

958
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: going into his formative years, will be cartoon animals that

959
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 1: he sleeps with at night that he I'm gonna let

960
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:31,959
Speaker 1: you have that burp without I won't call you out. Uh.

961
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 1: Those bears are are personifying in his life before he

962
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 1: has a chance to be understanding of what a bear is. Right,

963
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 1: is that the the general reason why everybody has this

964
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: feeling about bears of love and kind of personification. I

965
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 1: don't know if that's all the story. That certainly is

966
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 1: part of the story. The other part of the story

967
01:02:56,080 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 1: is over the last eight ten decades, there's been a

968
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 1: similar idea about carnivores, bears in particular, like they somehow

969
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: have elevated themselves in the random order of how we

970
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 1: see animals. Like I'm for sure, no, it's okay to

971
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 1: show a film shooting forty ducks and not showing the

972
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 1: breasting or eating of one of those ducks. That will

973
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 1: be very little complaining by the general. Nobody's gonna, oh,

974
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: my god, you shot that duck and you didn't and

975
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 1: you don't need it. But if you shoot a bear

976
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 1: and you just drag it off to the a TV

977
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 1: and drive away into the distance and that's the end

978
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 1: of the film, people will rip you a new one.

979
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 1: And so what makes that duck more important than that bear? Not?

980
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:45,439
Speaker 1: What makes it more important than that bear. My son

981
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 1: may have a couple of duck types of toys or

982
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 1: any but he does not have the whole suite of

983
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 1: duck related paraphernale inside of there. But he does have duck.

984
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 1: He does have bear pajamas, and he does have a

985
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 1: bear dollar he hugs when he goes to sleep like

986
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 1: he has that. And I didn't. I didn't pick any

987
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 1: of that out. That's just kind of what he would

988
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 1: grab off the shelf, or what my wife would pick out,

989
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: or or how it got there. But there's an element

990
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:15,919
Speaker 1: just of indoctrination and how we treat bears. I don't

991
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 1: know why that is. I'm not I'm not smart enough

992
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 1: to know that. Here's the here's the thing amongst hunters.

993
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 1: I could text Ben O'Brien a picture of the bear

994
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 1: that I shot in Montana, and it does not negatively

995
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 1: affect hunting, right, So I can do that. Now, there

996
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 1: might be people out there, Oh, you're just pussy, you don't,

997
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: you don't stand up for hunting. Well, somebody compared when

998
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 1: I said gripping grin's right. We were talking on the

999
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 1: Gritty Bowman podcast about like and I. At the time,

1000
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 1: I will admit it was I was halfway through a

1001
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 1: t A, I was sick, I had It was trade

1002
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 1: Show's season, and I was a little bit and fed

1003
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 1: up with a few things, and I said, I just

1004
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 1: don't think anybody should do gripping grins. That's not the

1005
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 1: right thing to say. The right thing to say is

1006
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 1: in some instance as grip and grin should not be

1007
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 1: massively shared, as yours saying. But but in that instance,

1008
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 1: you just understand that the audience is the audience, right,

1009
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Okay, if you can, Oh you well, you've

1010
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 1: you've posted bare pictures in the past, you've YEA, I have, Yeah,

1011
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: I know I have. Because I do I see anything

1012
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 1: wrong with a hunter behind a bear? No, I do not,

1013
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:30,479
Speaker 1: But I'm a hunter, I understand, do I see? And

1014
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 1: and obviously these things evolved, right, So do I see

1015
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 1: something wrong now? I do now. Why do I now?

1016
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 1: Because for me, I see something that hurts hunting now,

1017
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 1: and this is a caveat if I especially no if

1018
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:55,440
Speaker 1: I intent is is huge. You can't get charged with

1019
01:05:55,560 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 1: murder intent. If if I know that this is gonna

1020
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 1: be good for me personally but bad for hunting, I

1021
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 1: absolutely not do it ever. Ever, if I think that

1022
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 1: it will harm hunting in general as a whole, I

1023
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 1: will not do it. That to me is not being

1024
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 1: a pussy when you put something that you love over

1025
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 1: something that you do for yourself, because selfishness is what

1026
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:31,919
Speaker 1: screws us all. Yeah, well, just think about this way.

1027
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 1: I've said, oh this, Do I have to have that photo?

1028
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 1: Do I have to have everybody see it? No? I

1029
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 1: don't have to have that. Um. I've come to just

1030
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 1: over the years, it's does that benefit wild life? Does

1031
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 1: that photo benefit wild life? And if I feel like

1032
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 1: hunting is beneficial wildlife and that photo doesn't benefit hunting,

1033
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 1: I can't in all good conscience share the damn thing

1034
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,959
Speaker 1: because it becomes about me and not about what's what's

1035
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 1: good for that wildlife. And there's a lot of people,

1036
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 1: and I said that a couple of people would compare

1037
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 1: that to snowflake is um or or this. You know

1038
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 1: the movements, the social justice movements that are happening right now,

1039
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 1: And I said, that's not what it is, because it's not.

1040
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: It's not. There's two two things that I think people

1041
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 1: are always trying to get to the extremes. I'm not

1042
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 1: trying to eliminate all my hunting photos for everyone. And

1043
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 1: I'm also not trying to just post everything I absolutely

1044
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 1: want to and not care about what anyone thinks. I'm

1045
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 1: not gonna do either one of those two things. But

1046
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 1: I will take each instance of each photo and look

1047
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 1: at the landscape of which it's going to be presented

1048
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 1: and try to figure out the best way to present it.

1049
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 1: And if I feel like there's no good way to

1050
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 1: present it in a social media landscape like you did

1051
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 1: with the bear, you say, I don't need to do that.

1052
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 1: It would be selfish for me to put it up there,

1053
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 1: So I won't put it up there. I'll take it back.

1054
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: I'll show it to my friends, will celebrate it that way.

1055
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 1: The people that were with me and near me will know.

1056
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 1: And I'll put that rug in my house and I'll

1057
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 1: eat that bear. And then I won't have my motivation

1058
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 1: will have been in tren zick, and I will feel

1059
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 1: funn about that. Um All that seems okay to me.

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01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 1: That seems like a pretty rational way to look at it.

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01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 1: The bear that I shot last spring, the pictures I

1062
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 1: posted were of bear polish sausages on the grill, delicious.

1063
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:18,640
Speaker 1: They were of bear meat, but no dead bear, And

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01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 1: that to me told the story of what people who

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01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 1: don't the general Pope. Did I share that bear picture

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01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 1: with friends that hunt, Yes, of course I did. Do

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01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 1: I see anything wrong with bear hunting? No, I don't.

1068
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 1: But I have to be cognizant of the fact that

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01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 1: if I put something out to the public now, I

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01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 1: might have in my particular instance, I've been fortunate enough

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01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 1: to have been doing this a long time and have

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01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 1: a lot of people that follow on social media, or

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01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 1: what I think is a lot of people, because and

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01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 1: I value every single person on there, and there's a

1075
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:03,680
Speaker 1: lot of different opinion. But that platform to me is

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01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 1: to benefit hunting. Let me ask you this, not just

1077
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 1: pander to hunters, because now you might go, okay, we

1078
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 1: only tell one part of the story, or you don't like,

1079
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 1: should I show an animal like that? A client shot

1080
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:21,639
Speaker 1: bad and I have to finish off with a knife.

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01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 1: I don't need to put that out there to the

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01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 1: public because as a hunter, we understand that that is

1083
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 1: showing respect to the animal by giving it the most

1084
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 1: ethical death in a bad situation. But somebody that just

1085
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:42,880
Speaker 1: grabs that video, it's going to be really bad for hunting.

1086
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 1: Well that's what like hunting is. You know, you know

1087
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 1: this better than anybody. Hunting is has a lot of

1088
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:51,640
Speaker 1: nuances and a lot of like little weird ideo secrecies

1089
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 1: and a lot of complexities that you can't really put

1090
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 1: into a fucking social media post like you can't. And

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01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 1: I would say, if you buy a license, you you

1092
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 1: are not at the time of buying a license, all

1093
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:07,559
Speaker 1: of a sudden, a PR agent for hunting. You're not.

1094
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:09,800
Speaker 1: You're a hunter. If you buy a hunting license and

1095
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 1: you and deporty go hunting, buy your hunting license and

1096
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 1: go do your thing, I'm all with you. But as

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01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 1: soon as you take that hunting license in your active

1098
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 1: hunting and connect it with social media, if you put

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01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 1: those two things together and you put them in a

1100
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 1: in a jar, shaken around and get your outcome, then

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01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 1: you are a PR agent for hunting. At that point,

1102
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 1: if you if you said, I just buy I like

1103
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 1: to buy my hunting license. I have to go sit

1104
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,080
Speaker 1: in a tree, like to shoot my dear. Don't care

1105
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:39,640
Speaker 1: who knows about it. You are more than welcome as

1106
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 1: long as you're doing it legally and ethically to do

1107
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 1: whatever you would like. Right now, social media could be

1108
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 1: used for good, used for evil. John Dudley what said

1109
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 1: something like it's the ring of power, the ring of power.

1110
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, you could use it for good or bad.

1111
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 1: But if you make something public, you are now an

1112
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 1: ambassador for hunting. You are whether you like it or

1113
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:10,560
Speaker 1: if you like to hunt, you are an ambassador to

1114
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:16,879
Speaker 1: the decision makers of a privilege. BC bears a good example.

1115
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 1: He got shut down. Many things got shut down because

1116
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:24,559
Speaker 1: of the stupidity of people who said it's legal. But

1117
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 1: I'm going to share it with the world and defend

1118
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 1: myself like it's a right. It's not a right, it's

1119
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 1: a privilege. Well, your friend in in uh in the

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01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:35,720
Speaker 1: Mountain Lion is a great example, and I I just

1121
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:39,599
Speaker 1: think that as much as you can talk around the issue,

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01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 1: it's it's your friend had very little control as to

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01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 1: the reaction to that image like he had control of

1124
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 1: what it. You know, he probably didn't take the image,

1125
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 1: so he had little control of even what the image

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01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 1: looked like at the time. In the moment, it may

1127
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 1: have felt really good to him. Looking back on it,

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01:11:56,520 --> 01:12:00,719
Speaker 1: he may regret that image. So there is that element

1129
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 1: of it too. In the moment it feels good. But

1130
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:07,880
Speaker 1: when it feels okay, but when you you have the

1131
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 1: opportunity to hit that submit button so it goes up

1132
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 1: online or goes on Instagram. You can then make it

1133
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 1: a secondary choice to say, like, it felt good at

1134
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 1: the time, it's a real photo, there's nothing wrong with it,

1135
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 1: but I feel like it might be misinterpreted. And I

1136
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 1: love hunting and it enriches my life and any misinterpretation

1137
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 1: of that enrichment would be disastrous. So I'm gonna just

1138
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:32,599
Speaker 1: hold this back because maybe maybe it just doesn't say

1139
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 1: what I wanted to say. Here's here's a funny example

1140
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 1: is if somebody were to say to me, you're letting

1141
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 1: Peter win. Okay, bastards, really, who's letting Peter win? Peter's

1142
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:57,560
Speaker 1: biggest growth spurt came after their Facebook shoot selfiees not animals.

1143
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 1: They trolled the ship out of hunter's on that one.

1144
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 1: Didn't they Here's what happened. Every hunter that used that

1145
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 1: hurt hunting they created. They let Peter win by thinking

1146
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:16,760
Speaker 1: that they were forming against them, because what they did

1147
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 1: was they decided to post the most disgusting hunting photos

1148
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 1: that they could find. Right and those hunting photos became

1149
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:30,679
Speaker 1: public to the decision makers, and the decision makers saw

1150
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 1: those and said, if this is what hunters are, I'm

1151
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:36,639
Speaker 1: not okay with it. We'll break it down. That looks

1152
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 1: like somebody who is mocking another person who cares about

1153
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 1: an animal's rights, Like, I'm a hunter, I have all

1154
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 1: the rights. This thing's dead. I don't care about you.

1155
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 1: Like that's what that is. It's like, fuck you. I

1156
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:52,800
Speaker 1: have the right to hunt and you don't. And I

1157
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 1: have the privileged hunt and I tower over this animal.

1158
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:58,639
Speaker 1: I killed it and it has no rights. So by that,

1159
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:04,320
Speaker 1: Peter now gained ammunition, and you became the anti hunter.

1160
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:10,559
Speaker 1: Anybody that negatively affects hunting is an anti hunter, whether

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01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:13,439
Speaker 1: you hunt or not. So if you're a hunter and

1162
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 1: you have inadvertently harmed hunting, you're an anti hunter. You

1163
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:24,800
Speaker 1: are the cause of hunting. Now if you went on

1164
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 1: a legal hunt and you'r And let's say, I don't know,

1165
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 1: this is a hypothetical, but this happened, actually, hypothetical, spear bear. Hypothetically, Hypothetically,

1166
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:41,760
Speaker 1: you do something and you posted on social media and

1167
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 1: the reaction is so negative that it gets banned. You

1168
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 1: you still call yourself a hunter. I don't know, no,

1169
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:55,760
Speaker 1: but I'm saying, let's say I went on a bow hunt, right,

1170
01:14:56,640 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 1: and I legally had a mule deer tag. Okay, this

1171
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 1: is just a hypothetical, and I legally had a meal

1172
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:10,760
Speaker 1: deer take and I accidentally, like I shot. Everything wasn't right.

1173
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 1: The wind blew, the deer jumped ship happened, okay. And

1174
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:19,560
Speaker 1: then the deer runs down the hill into a subdivision

1175
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 1: and I continue filming and like everything I do is legal,

1176
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 1: but I end up laughing and slitting the deer's throat

1177
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 1: with a paper clip that I sharpened and and I

1178
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 1: some and it just looked horrible, and I go, ha ha,

1179
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:47,400
Speaker 1: fuck you, Peter. This is what I did this weekend,

1180
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:51,559
Speaker 1: killing animals right in the video to the person that

1181
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 1: doesn't hunt. Looked horrific. Okay, I'm not I'm this is

1182
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:02,720
Speaker 1: high pathetic. I'm just posing a question to people. The

1183
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:07,640
Speaker 1: video looked horrific, and the general public lashed onto that

1184
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 1: video much like and and some of these instances are uncontrollable, right, Like,

1185
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 1: we don't know the outcome of it, but if something

1186
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 1: is you go, yeah, my auntie who doesn't hunt, might

1187
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:26,679
Speaker 1: not like this, right. The general public jumped on that video,

1188
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 1: and now in every state across the West, bow hunting

1189
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:36,719
Speaker 1: was banned. Is Pete the asshole? You know what I'm saying?

1190
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 1: Or is the person who negatively affected hunting to the

1191
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:45,040
Speaker 1: point where now no one in the Western United States

1192
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:49,680
Speaker 1: can bow hunt? Who who ruined it? Who is the

1193
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 1: anti hunter there? Well, that's just a good question too. Well,

1194
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 1: and there's there there's a First Amendment aspect to that,

1195
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 1: Like you know, you can't you can't yell fire in

1196
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:01,960
Speaker 1: a crowd of theater. You can hunt like you There's

1197
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:03,559
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things in hunting that I think,

1198
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 1: when I examine them at their that at their core

1199
01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 1: are a little bit uh allowing us to shirk responsibility.

1200
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 1: And I feel like, you know, the term hunting is conservation.

1201
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:18,559
Speaker 1: That's a little bit like, yeah, shirk responsibility of being

1202
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 1: a conservationist. If I'm hunting, I'm a conservationist. I don't

1203
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:24,400
Speaker 1: have to do any actual conservation work. I just have

1204
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 1: to go hunting, and I'm all good. I don't have

1205
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:29,280
Speaker 1: to go to help and translocation or get to a

1206
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 1: banquet and give any money. Not just buy a hunting license.

1207
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 1: I'm a conservationist. Now, I feel like that's shirking a

1208
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:37,839
Speaker 1: bit of the responsibility um of the duality of hunting

1209
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:41,400
Speaker 1: and conservation. The same way in this there's a responsibility

1210
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:44,679
Speaker 1: of the duality of buying a hunting license and having

1211
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:48,760
Speaker 1: an outlet to share your experiences. There's a responsibility in

1212
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 1: both those aspects. You can't say I'm responsible because I

1213
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 1: have a license. I'm responsible based on the ethics and

1214
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:57,800
Speaker 1: the legality of the structure built around hunting. But I

1215
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:00,400
Speaker 1: go online and I'm a I'm a cowboy, do whatever

1216
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 1: I want. You can post whatever you want on Instagram.

1217
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:05,120
Speaker 1: They may blur it out and call it sensitive, or

1218
01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 1: they may kick you off if you take it too far.

1219
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:10,439
Speaker 1: But in general, compared to the actual act of hunting,

1220
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 1: social media has no rails, and you it relies on

1221
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:20,600
Speaker 1: your own sensibilities, and at some level you have to

1222
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 1: get I would compare. I always try to compare my

1223
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:27,320
Speaker 1: hunting pursuits to my social media pursuits, Like there's even

1224
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 1: though there isn't the same ethics that I find a

1225
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 1: way to connect them. You know, I try to transfer

1226
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 1: my ethics in the field to what what shows up

1227
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:40,760
Speaker 1: on the screen. And if you can do that, then

1228
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:45,760
Speaker 1: you're almost never lose because it's the parallel experience is

1229
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:48,599
Speaker 1: going to show through you don't You don't need to

1230
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:51,640
Speaker 1: have that video. If you're being an asshole out in

1231
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 1: the field and you shot a deer in the in

1232
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:56,719
Speaker 1: the hindquarters four times and you walked up and split

1233
01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:59,840
Speaker 1: start with a paper clip in somebody's backyard, then you

1234
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:02,639
Speaker 1: know your ethics in the field probably weren't worth showing

1235
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:07,559
Speaker 1: on social media. Um. Yeah, because there's there's what's legal,

1236
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:12,760
Speaker 1: what's ethical, and now there's a new category what's socially

1237
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:19,559
Speaker 1: acceptable in the public eye. And Okay, but I feel

1238
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:24,000
Speaker 1: like this is important to say, is you could probably

1239
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 1: go through my social media or whatever and find things

1240
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 1: you go, Now, that's questionable. This guy. I'm not saying

1241
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 1: I'm perfect. I'm saying that as a community, as a

1242
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 1: community of hunters, we should self police ourselves in a

1243
01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 1: way that is not putting someone down. So so I

1244
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 1: would say if you ben saw something that I did

1245
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 1: and you just said, hey man, I love what you do,

1246
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:57,320
Speaker 1: but I'm not so sure that this helps hunting, because

1247
01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 1: there there needs to be the line is super Oh yeah,

1248
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 1: we don't know. Like you you just said, I thought

1249
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:08,360
Speaker 1: this mountain lion picture is bad, And I said, I

1250
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 1: thought that mountain lion picture is good. Okay, maybe we'll

1251
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 1: put that in the gray area. But now there's some

1252
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:22,839
Speaker 1: stuff that you go, yeah, I think the general public

1253
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:25,839
Speaker 1: isn't gonna like that. Well, there there's a great example

1254
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 1: at Western Hunting ex but this year, and I'm not

1255
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:30,240
Speaker 1: I won't bring anybody specifically into it, but there was

1256
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:33,559
Speaker 1: a piece of content that was shown to a group

1257
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:36,120
Speaker 1: of people, and in that group of people there was

1258
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:39,800
Speaker 1: another you know, by a very important person and influencers,

1259
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:43,320
Speaker 1: you know, put themselves out there and showed this content,

1260
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:47,760
Speaker 1: and another very important influencer in the crowd was not

1261
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 1: happy about what was shown. Basically, the ethics of the

1262
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:54,800
Speaker 1: hunt or or just the way that the hunt was

1263
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:58,120
Speaker 1: shown wasn't in the light that that the person in

1264
01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:00,799
Speaker 1: the audience who I feel has is a great opinion

1265
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 1: and it's very important. UM felt to be right. And

1266
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 1: that person came to me and said, hey, I want

1267
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:09,320
Speaker 1: to talk to that content creator and just tell him

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01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 1: how I feel. What do you think? And I said,

1269
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:13,439
Speaker 1: you better go do that. And if it was me,

1270
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:15,559
Speaker 1: if that happened to me, if I showed a piece

1271
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:17,400
Speaker 1: of content and somebody came to me that I respected

1272
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:20,240
Speaker 1: and said I don't agree with that, I damn well,

1273
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 1: hope I would sit down and take that to heart

1274
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 1: and watch it over again through their eyes and try

1275
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:28,760
Speaker 1: to figure it out. UM. And I think that's what

1276
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:31,599
Speaker 1: you're talking about. We not only need to self police,

1277
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:35,559
Speaker 1: but we need to respectfully police each other and just

1278
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:38,599
Speaker 1: exchange ideas in such a way that would just give

1279
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:41,240
Speaker 1: some perspective that maybe you can't get from just your

1280
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:44,519
Speaker 1: own bubble that you live. Yeah, because I I did

1281
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 1: something this year and I thought, Okay, I mean I

1282
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:52,000
Speaker 1: I spend too much time. I don't post a lot

1283
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:54,559
Speaker 1: on social media. If people follow me, they probably go

1284
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 1: he passed three things this month. Because it takes me

1285
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 1: because I just I start to do something and I

1286
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:05,720
Speaker 1: got forget it. It's it's a pain in the like

1287
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:08,680
Speaker 1: it just it stresses me out because I have to

1288
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:12,840
Speaker 1: think about now in my position, because I care so

1289
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 1: much about hunting in general, and I know that there

1290
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:17,720
Speaker 1: are a lot of people that will see it that

1291
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:21,919
Speaker 1: do not hunt. I particularly need to be more careful

1292
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 1: than someone else. Okay, So for me, it's very hard

1293
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 1: because it may I would prefer to just go pin

1294
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:32,679
Speaker 1: it up on the board in my local sporting good

1295
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 1: shop and just have that audience look at right. But

1296
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 1: but also I've been given an opportunity to help influence

1297
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:48,600
Speaker 1: decision makers, the ones that grant us the privilege to

1298
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 1: influence them on our side, so that my kids can

1299
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:54,720
Speaker 1: have a hunting tag and go out hunt mildier with

1300
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 1: their bows, not because someone I don't want to be

1301
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:01,120
Speaker 1: the one that posted the video the bands off bow

1302
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:03,720
Speaker 1: hunting in the Western United States him a bit. This

1303
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:06,360
Speaker 1: is a hypothetically. Yeah, I'm gonna make a Netflix show

1304
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:10,280
Speaker 1: about like a futuristic Netflix like a Well, I think

1305
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:13,000
Speaker 1: we've covered this. We got this covered. Um, people know

1306
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 1: how we feel. I want to before this is over,

1307
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:18,720
Speaker 1: We're pretty were like an hour and a half deep.

1308
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:21,960
Speaker 1: That's not bad. We've done three hours each and many

1309
01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:24,680
Speaker 1: other podcasts before. Yeah, but this is now combined three

1310
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 1: hours because we did an hour and a half to

1311
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:27,880
Speaker 1: get a race. This may get a race too, you

1312
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:34,560
Speaker 1: don't know. This may be zero. That's it. No more, no,

1313
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:37,840
Speaker 1: no more podcasts with our brien. Um. I want to

1314
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 1: tell some hunting stories, man, um. So we've hund it

1315
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 1: together a few times, probably not enough times, um, but

1316
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 1: a few, and I just want to tell some of

1317
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:53,920
Speaker 1: those stories, and particularly I think I last year would

1318
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:59,560
Speaker 1: be a good place to start mouflon hunting, because that

1319
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:01,920
Speaker 1: was an afternoon, right, I mean, it wasn't It wasn't

1320
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:04,120
Speaker 1: a whole, It was not a fold. It wasn't a

1321
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:06,720
Speaker 1: seven day pack. That was like a three for me.

1322
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 1: That was like a two day trip that felt like

1323
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 1: six months, didn't it like? And that trip me and

1324
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:13,320
Speaker 1: you took a what essentially was about a five or

1325
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 1: six or our trip around to the western part of

1326
01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 1: Lanai to an area where that helps the mouflon and

1327
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:23,760
Speaker 1: chase muflan. I just like you felt like we were

1328
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 1: there for days, but we were only there for half

1329
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:33,120
Speaker 1: a day, yeah at most, and got to mouflon. Um.

1330
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:36,040
Speaker 1: I'll let you start just basically where we were and

1331
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:38,840
Speaker 1: what it looked like. But the story just just from

1332
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:40,880
Speaker 1: the time we got out of the truck to the

1333
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:44,280
Speaker 1: time we got back in and went back to town.

1334
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:47,800
Speaker 1: It was a pretty good one. Yeah. Well, we went

1335
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:50,280
Speaker 1: up the canyon and I feel like we were told

1336
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:52,640
Speaker 1: we were not going to get any start there. I mean,

1337
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:54,240
Speaker 1: you gotta start there about what the place to look

1338
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:56,080
Speaker 1: like and what they took very steep. They're like, you

1339
01:24:56,160 --> 01:25:01,400
Speaker 1: can't walk up the hills and York sheep, it was

1340
01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:04,720
Speaker 1: basically hard to kill. It's very loud, there's a lot

1341
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:07,920
Speaker 1: of lava. Rocket's very steep. Sheep live up high. You

1342
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:10,639
Speaker 1: will not be able to kill something with a boat, right.

1343
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:14,559
Speaker 1: So we're like, man, I don't really care. I just

1344
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 1: wanted to walk around. And we're walking around and then

1345
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:29,240
Speaker 1: I spot something, a glimpse in the trees. All of

1346
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:33,760
Speaker 1: a sudden, the glimpse explodes and starts running up the

1347
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 1: hill and I make the pat what I'm gonna call

1348
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:48,759
Speaker 1: the patent remy Warren, and they stopped. But there's a

1349
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:55,280
Speaker 1: mess of poetry in between us and the ram. I

1350
01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 1: think to myself, this smile, this might be my one chance,

1351
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:02,240
Speaker 1: so I draw back. Okay, I dropped to a knee

1352
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:06,920
Speaker 1: I think I had. Where did you range it? For?

1353
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:13,400
Speaker 1: Someone yelled up the yard eache I ranged. Now. I

1354
01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:17,880
Speaker 1: do a lot of practicing that is very unconventional when

1355
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 1: I practice. I thought about this the other day. I

1356
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:27,160
Speaker 1: thought about like a little meme that says, oh, you

1357
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:30,760
Speaker 1: shooting your backyard and flat ground when it's sunny and

1358
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:36,799
Speaker 1: hot out. That's cute because it's like, thanks for sharing

1359
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:40,040
Speaker 1: that picture. That has absolutely nothing to do with what

1360
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:43,439
Speaker 1: you're gonna experience in the field. For at least for

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01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:47,560
Speaker 1: eye hunt, it's always steep, raining, shitt either stuff in

1362
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:52,880
Speaker 1: the way I generally shoot through. Like when I if

1363
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 1: I'm practicing in the backyard, I'm gonna set stuff in

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01:26:56,080 --> 01:27:00,200
Speaker 1: front of the target and practice shooting through stuff. Often

1365
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:02,880
Speaker 1: practice shooting around stuff, and practice shooting in the cold

1366
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:06,599
Speaker 1: and the hills and the all that. When I'm sighting in, yeah,

1367
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:09,560
Speaker 1: I when it flat and nice out. Now, Yeah, repetition

1368
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 1: is one thing, But for me, it's all about hunting.

1369
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 1: I'm not a target shooter. I actually probably do worse

1370
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:19,320
Speaker 1: in targets than I do while hunting. So for me,

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01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:25,519
Speaker 1: I've practice shooting through a lot of stuff. I know

1372
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 1: how to gauge whearing arrows flying. Yeah, you a little

1373
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 1: humble brag. I'm good at trajectories with rifles, with bows.

1374
01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:40,599
Speaker 1: I've shot a lot. If you, if you if that's

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01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:44,720
Speaker 1: what I mean. My practice is about mastering trajectory, not

1376
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:49,439
Speaker 1: hitting it. Not be the arrows. You have to know.

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01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:53,960
Speaker 1: I know where that arrow is. I when I looked

1378
01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:56,679
Speaker 1: down a site, I see the path of the arrow,

1379
01:27:57,439 --> 01:28:01,639
Speaker 1: not just the animal. I see a trajectory. The same

1380
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:04,120
Speaker 1: with a rifle, like I could, I could. You could

1381
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:07,240
Speaker 1: shoot a gun. You could tell me about the weight

1382
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 1: and the grain, and I could see where that gun shoots.

1383
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 1: Then you can hand me that gun and I can

1384
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:15,720
Speaker 1: shoot that gun out to six hundred yards no problem,

1385
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 1: because I know trajectories. That's just like I've done it.

1386
01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:23,840
Speaker 1: That's where my practice comes in. That's just over years.

1387
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:26,960
Speaker 1: That's what I pray. I practice different than other people.

1388
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:31,720
Speaker 1: I like to visualize those kind of things. So when

1389
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 1: I'm shooting through stuff, I know whether my arrow is

1390
01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:36,439
Speaker 1: gonna make it and you can take it from So

1391
01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:38,960
Speaker 1: I draw back. Let me take it from draw back,

1392
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:45,719
Speaker 1: and then's like looking like hmm. And then I said

1393
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:49,440
Speaker 1: range it from my perspective. You drew back and I

1394
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:51,800
Speaker 1: giggled a bit inside. I'm like, ha ha ha he

1395
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:53,599
Speaker 1: what is he doing? I thought you were just like

1396
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:57,559
Speaker 1: testing it out, see what it looked like through look

1397
01:28:57,600 --> 01:28:59,880
Speaker 1: like on a fifty seven yard impossible show. No, I

1398
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:02,760
Speaker 1: got this, so you said range him and I said

1399
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:05,559
Speaker 1: fifty seven yards. He said I got this, And I'm

1400
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:09,800
Speaker 1: like what and then flack and And in my mind,

1401
01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:12,880
Speaker 1: your arrow would have had to do some sort of

1402
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:17,599
Speaker 1: serpentine pattern to even get near the sheep because those

1403
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:20,840
Speaker 1: coet trees. It wasn't just one or two Coet trees.

1404
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:23,639
Speaker 1: I mean there are little ships of trees like there

1405
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 1: was probably twenty of them between me and you and

1406
01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:30,840
Speaker 1: the and the sheep. And I thought, in my mind,

1407
01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:35,479
Speaker 1: I'm like, well this is I mean, he stopped showing

1408
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:39,840
Speaker 1: off from me, and I'm looking through the binos, and

1409
01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:42,880
Speaker 1: you shoot and I see this. I see the mule

1410
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:47,680
Speaker 1: kick and then it disappears in the trees, and I thought, oh, well,

1411
01:29:47,720 --> 01:29:49,599
Speaker 1: he clearly just shot in the guts or something. I mean,

1412
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:52,720
Speaker 1: there's no way because from my angle, the vitals were

1413
01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:58,400
Speaker 1: completely covered with the coal. So from my angle I

1414
01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:03,120
Speaker 1: intentionally covered the vitals because your line of sight is

1415
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:06,559
Speaker 1: not your trajectory because the tree in front of us

1416
01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:12,840
Speaker 1: was twenty yards, so I intentionally put the branch and

1417
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:14,960
Speaker 1: I knew that all I could see because it's to

1418
01:30:15,080 --> 01:30:19,960
Speaker 1: the right. It's all I had was the vitals from

1419
01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:22,920
Speaker 1: left to right from behind the tree. And then I

1420
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:25,960
Speaker 1: put the branch on its vitals. But I went up,

1421
01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:27,600
Speaker 1: you know, so you saw me. I drew back, I

1422
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:30,280
Speaker 1: put it on it, and then I went down and

1423
01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:33,120
Speaker 1: I could see the leg and I knew exactly where

1424
01:30:33,160 --> 01:30:35,599
Speaker 1: my pin was, but my pin was on a limb.

1425
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:38,960
Speaker 1: But I knew that my arrow was gonna be where

1426
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:42,960
Speaker 1: my upper pin was, which was completely clear at the

1427
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:47,200
Speaker 1: twenty yards and later shooting by like a I don't know,

1428
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:51,040
Speaker 1: eight inch by eight inch hole, maybe at fifty seven yards,

1429
01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:53,000
Speaker 1: and that kind of trajectory over that arrow, the trick

1430
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:56,120
Speaker 1: over that arrow, if that's seven yards. So anyway, I am.

1431
01:30:56,200 --> 01:30:59,479
Speaker 1: I am watching this all go down and just thinking

1432
01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:03,560
Speaker 1: this is an interesting this. I think he might have

1433
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:06,920
Speaker 1: hit that sheet. So we go up there, We walk

1434
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:09,800
Speaker 1: up and it's in this is like boulder field lava rocks,

1435
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:12,080
Speaker 1: where you gotta kind of traverse this boulder field and

1436
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:14,679
Speaker 1: get up on this flat where we saw this sheep

1437
01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:17,720
Speaker 1: go and at the point where we get up to

1438
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:20,000
Speaker 1: the first set of boulder fields, I think we all

1439
01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:21,640
Speaker 1: kind of knew this as a dead sheep. Like you

1440
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:23,880
Speaker 1: were like I hit him, like I heard it, and

1441
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:26,160
Speaker 1: Sam so hold our photographer like I heard it too,

1442
01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:28,599
Speaker 1: and we're all, I mean, you're talking about a candle

1443
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:35,320
Speaker 1: up size set of vitals. Yeah, if there the move

1444
01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:37,320
Speaker 1: on her. And this was a you know, two or

1445
01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:42,519
Speaker 1: three year old ram, so smaller still um And so

1446
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:45,280
Speaker 1: we go up tracking after this thing. We get about

1447
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:47,720
Speaker 1: halfway up to it, and you could see it. At

1448
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:50,439
Speaker 1: that point we're like, oh, it's it's down. And had

1449
01:31:50,479 --> 01:31:54,679
Speaker 1: only gone maybe seventy five yards, and lo and behold,

1450
01:31:55,240 --> 01:31:58,519
Speaker 1: maybe twenty yards in front of us jumps up even

1451
01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:03,160
Speaker 1: bigger ram. I'm much bigger. I would have mounted that

1452
01:32:03,520 --> 01:32:07,760
Speaker 1: dream now at this point, not in the weird time

1453
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:11,200
Speaker 1: you might have mounted it. In either way, this ram

1454
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:13,200
Speaker 1: jumps up and runs through the coue of trees in

1455
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:17,360
Speaker 1: the boulder field. I immediately draw my bow. I got

1456
01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:20,040
Speaker 1: knocking a row and draw my bow. It runs out

1457
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:22,040
Speaker 1: to about what like thirty forty yards maybe, I mean

1458
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:26,840
Speaker 1: it's probably forty yards. It stops in the trees, and

1459
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:31,160
Speaker 1: I'm thinking the same as you. The trajectory of the arrow.

1460
01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:34,559
Speaker 1: There's probably four or five trees between me and the ram.

1461
01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:37,600
Speaker 1: And I was like, I've got to I've got to

1462
01:32:37,640 --> 01:32:39,920
Speaker 1: aim to the right so i can hit this thing

1463
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:43,040
Speaker 1: in the shoulder because if I if I aim much

1464
01:32:43,080 --> 01:32:45,400
Speaker 1: further to the left, I'm gonna hit this tree. So

1465
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:47,920
Speaker 1: I got aims to the right. And all the while

1466
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:50,120
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure this out, You're gonna you're over there,

1467
01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:55,040
Speaker 1: going I'm gonna shoot it. I had nothing in the way.

1468
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:57,439
Speaker 1: I'm not joking. I was. I was ten yards in

1469
01:32:57,520 --> 01:33:02,320
Speaker 1: front of you. It's I could have here sheer shot

1470
01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:05,200
Speaker 1: of thirty yards and I'm going, wait, wait, wait, wait,

1471
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:10,559
Speaker 1: wait wait. So I'm like, okay, okay, o' brien, alright, fine,

1472
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:14,360
Speaker 1: uh saving the sheep's life. And I'm I'm thinking much

1473
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:16,200
Speaker 1: like ever, and I saw your shot. I got a

1474
01:33:16,200 --> 01:33:18,320
Speaker 1: forty couple of yards shot here, and all I gotta

1475
01:33:18,360 --> 01:33:20,680
Speaker 1: do is not hit this tree. You're like, how far

1476
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:22,519
Speaker 1: is it? I was like, I don't know, close enough?

1477
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:28,040
Speaker 1: Do you really need me to frail this? It's pretty close?

1478
01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:31,320
Speaker 1: Kill it, kill it. I don't know, put any pin

1479
01:33:31,400 --> 01:33:35,920
Speaker 1: on it. Kill it now. So I'm like, okay, I

1480
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:40,120
Speaker 1: put the pin on it, pull slowly, pull back, let

1481
01:33:40,120 --> 01:33:44,120
Speaker 1: that air release, and it wacks a tree most definitely

1482
01:33:44,640 --> 01:33:48,000
Speaker 1: not in the center of the tree, but not in

1483
01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:51,719
Speaker 1: the center of the animal either. That thing goes running off.

1484
01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:54,719
Speaker 1: I put another air on. I'm trying to find it again.

1485
01:33:54,760 --> 01:33:57,120
Speaker 1: It stops at like eight yards. Rammy's over there trying

1486
01:33:57,120 --> 01:33:59,920
Speaker 1: to find it, and it just scampers off into the

1487
01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:03,360
Speaker 1: into the nothing, to the abyss that could have been

1488
01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:07,720
Speaker 1: your dree. Ram I was shot a tree. He's like.

1489
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:11,559
Speaker 1: I was like, He's like, I don't have a shot.

1490
01:34:12,280 --> 01:34:17,800
Speaker 1: I was like, I got this, Like, no, no, you greedy, Okay,

1491
01:34:19,240 --> 01:34:21,720
Speaker 1: that's all right. It was funny. It was funny the

1492
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:24,920
Speaker 1: fact that I would have been just as excited if

1493
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:30,599
Speaker 1: you would have shot it, absolutely but in thement like

1494
01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:32,840
Speaker 1: it would have been in the moment you would have

1495
01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:34,800
Speaker 1: we know both though you would have killed anything. I

1496
01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:37,960
Speaker 1: wish that I could have flashed you into my vision

1497
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:41,320
Speaker 1: of what I saw and I was. We should also

1498
01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:45,160
Speaker 1: mention while we're talking about this, I'm at full draw

1499
01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:47,800
Speaker 1: two yard. I mean, this thing is very close to

1500
01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:50,200
Speaker 1: me because I was quite a bit further because you

1501
01:34:50,200 --> 01:34:53,519
Speaker 1: were at the ram, and he jumped up and ran

1502
01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:56,160
Speaker 1: pretty much right to me, well, that's like, so you

1503
01:34:56,240 --> 01:34:58,160
Speaker 1: walked past the ram, you wouldn't say, I'm walked past

1504
01:34:58,160 --> 01:35:00,400
Speaker 1: the right And I was staying back taking pictures a

1505
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:03,000
Speaker 1: little you guys walking up to it, and then I

1506
01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:04,599
Speaker 1: took a little bit of a different round to get

1507
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:07,360
Speaker 1: to to where you guys were and jump this thing.

1508
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:09,920
Speaker 1: And so, you know, I think the characterization is it

1509
01:35:10,040 --> 01:35:17,000
Speaker 1: ran past you and I didn't have to. We're probably

1510
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:19,519
Speaker 1: five six or you know, we're a good ways away

1511
01:35:19,560 --> 01:35:20,800
Speaker 1: from each other, but enough that we can talk to

1512
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:24,840
Speaker 1: each other. But how about don't shoot it? And so

1513
01:35:25,720 --> 01:35:27,920
Speaker 1: and this is to me in my mind, right, like

1514
01:35:27,960 --> 01:35:32,360
Speaker 1: I have a pretty clear um knowledge of your ability, right,

1515
01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:34,720
Speaker 1: and then I see you make this shot that in

1516
01:35:34,760 --> 01:35:37,559
Speaker 1: my mind is seemingly impossible. And now I'm in a

1517
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:39,160
Speaker 1: situation where all I have to do is dodge a

1518
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:41,920
Speaker 1: couple of trees. You know, yours is a ten out

1519
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:44,599
Speaker 1: of ten minds of six out of ten, difficulties, seven

1520
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:46,799
Speaker 1: out of ten. Maybe if I've give myself some credit,

1521
01:35:47,640 --> 01:35:49,679
Speaker 1: and I just whacked that tree like it was my job,

1522
01:35:54,240 --> 01:35:58,240
Speaker 1: and it was a nice rund. But anyway, we get

1523
01:35:58,280 --> 01:36:02,760
Speaker 1: up to your ram to care that pretty quickly, take

1524
01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:05,559
Speaker 1: some pictures, skin him up, get him down to the trail.

1525
01:36:05,680 --> 01:36:08,160
Speaker 1: Our guide comes in the truck picks us up. Now

1526
01:36:08,160 --> 01:36:11,439
Speaker 1: we're driving out, and I've hunted enough of the boat

1527
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:13,799
Speaker 1: to know that, like, if you don't wound the animal

1528
01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:16,479
Speaker 1: and you miss it with somebody with with my skill level,

1529
01:36:16,760 --> 01:36:19,320
Speaker 1: I know like if I don't wound the animal and

1530
01:36:19,320 --> 01:36:22,000
Speaker 1: it's a miss, it's it's it's just as positive as

1531
01:36:22,040 --> 01:36:25,439
Speaker 1: if then I got a shot, as if I killed it,

1532
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:27,400
Speaker 1: Like I don't. I just in my mind, that's just

1533
01:36:27,439 --> 01:36:31,360
Speaker 1: how I treat it. We're driving out and I'm thinking, man,

1534
01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:32,800
Speaker 1: I wish I would have got a move along, and

1535
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:34,679
Speaker 1: we know we're probably not coming back to that area

1536
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:36,920
Speaker 1: they were they were talking about just one one day

1537
01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:41,080
Speaker 1: out there, and uh, we roll it in the truck.

1538
01:36:41,080 --> 01:36:43,840
Speaker 1: We're rolling down and we see some sheep, We pop

1539
01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:45,559
Speaker 1: some sheets. They run up over the hill into these

1540
01:36:45,640 --> 01:36:49,160
Speaker 1: lava rocks like three or four yards away, all right,

1541
01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:52,479
Speaker 1: And then with the rifles in the truck right next

1542
01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:54,760
Speaker 1: to me, next to my bow, I'm like, I'm not

1543
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:57,120
Speaker 1: getting out of here without one of these. We're gonna

1544
01:36:57,160 --> 01:36:59,800
Speaker 1: eat this tomorrow on a on a Hawaiian beach, which

1545
01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:03,519
Speaker 1: we in delicious, delicious, the best meat ever, which is

1546
01:37:03,560 --> 01:37:06,320
Speaker 1: what is kind of why we wanted to get some mouflin.

1547
01:37:07,120 --> 01:37:10,519
Speaker 1: So I get out of the truck, roll over, rest, boom,

1548
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:16,479
Speaker 1: shoot this thing and it falls over dead. Um, And

1549
01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:18,880
Speaker 1: I wanted I wanted us to talk about this hunting story,

1550
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:23,800
Speaker 1: mostly just because the truth of the matter is, Um,

1551
01:37:23,840 --> 01:37:25,400
Speaker 1: I was just to kind of in kill mode at

1552
01:37:25,439 --> 01:37:28,000
Speaker 1: that point, Like I wanted to kill a mouf and

1553
01:37:28,040 --> 01:37:30,479
Speaker 1: the one I killed was an old ram, nice ram whatever.

1554
01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:33,639
Speaker 1: It was a pretty long shot with a rifle, but nothing,

1555
01:37:34,320 --> 01:37:39,920
Speaker 1: you know, nothing all that amazing. But I didn't at

1556
01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:43,280
Speaker 1: the time we were there. I I knew that I

1557
01:37:43,320 --> 01:37:45,479
Speaker 1: wanted to kill this animal. I knew that I wanted

1558
01:37:45,479 --> 01:37:47,320
Speaker 1: to meet and I knew I wanted the experience of

1559
01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:51,800
Speaker 1: killing it and seeing and having that. And I wonder

1560
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:55,439
Speaker 1: what your examination of that is, Like your hunt was

1561
01:37:55,479 --> 01:37:57,360
Speaker 1: pretty pure, and the way that we came upon across

1562
01:37:57,360 --> 01:37:59,680
Speaker 1: the animal, you shot it. You didn't get to like

1563
01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:02,759
Speaker 1: stand like muzzle or rifle. Boh, I'm in a truck.

1564
01:38:02,760 --> 01:38:05,240
Speaker 1: I'm not in a truck. Look, we didn't have any

1565
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:08,479
Speaker 1: prior prejudice against Muflan. We just knew we wanted to

1566
01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:11,800
Speaker 1: hunt and succeed, and by the time we got to

1567
01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:14,280
Speaker 1: mind that, the whole tenor of the day had changed.

1568
01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:16,920
Speaker 1: Like we already had one. I wanted to get one,

1569
01:38:17,439 --> 01:38:20,400
Speaker 1: and that's what happened. So I don't know that. Like

1570
01:38:21,320 --> 01:38:23,000
Speaker 1: so I feel bad about this, which I don't know

1571
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:29,280
Speaker 1: if I do or not, but I definitely know what

1572
01:38:29,439 --> 01:38:31,800
Speaker 1: my goals were going into it and and what it

1573
01:38:31,880 --> 01:38:34,240
Speaker 1: ended up being, and that thanks hanging on my wall

1574
01:38:34,240 --> 01:38:37,519
Speaker 1: in there. I don't feel bad about it. But we

1575
01:38:37,640 --> 01:38:41,759
Speaker 1: actually here's my assessment, and we talked about this earlier.

1576
01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:46,719
Speaker 1: I maybe I had a client one time and maybe

1577
01:38:46,720 --> 01:38:48,880
Speaker 1: even put it better than I could put it. But

1578
01:38:51,320 --> 01:38:58,880
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I am a hunter. Ben O'Brien is

1579
01:38:58,920 --> 01:39:05,040
Speaker 1: a hunter. Now. If you if I was in Austin, Texas,

1580
01:39:05,479 --> 01:39:11,439
Speaker 1: which I am, and someone tonight and text me he said, hey,

1581
01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:16,200
Speaker 1: you want to go quail hunting at six am tomorrow,

1582
01:39:17,760 --> 01:39:22,400
Speaker 1: I would be there, like that is illegal with with

1583
01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:29,360
Speaker 1: within the legality of the law. If there, whether it's

1584
01:39:29,400 --> 01:39:33,440
Speaker 1: a shotgun, oh no, it's muzzleloading quail season, I would say,

1585
01:39:33,800 --> 01:39:36,479
Speaker 1: hand me over the muzzleloading shotgun, I will be there.

1586
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:42,479
Speaker 1: But I'll be there because at my purest form, I

1587
01:39:42,479 --> 01:39:46,040
Speaker 1: am a hunter. If the only thing that if you

1588
01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:53,080
Speaker 1: were was legal was a rock, the legal weapon was

1589
01:39:53,360 --> 01:39:58,280
Speaker 1: throwing rocks and you I don't squirrels, I would be there, right.

1590
01:39:58,640 --> 01:40:02,160
Speaker 1: I I of going out and hunting. So for me,

1591
01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:07,080
Speaker 1: if I'm in one moment bow hunting which is one

1592
01:40:07,080 --> 01:40:10,680
Speaker 1: of my major passions, and hunting is bow hunting. But

1593
01:40:11,400 --> 01:40:17,280
Speaker 1: I look at all forms of hunting equal. Yeah, because

1594
01:40:18,280 --> 01:40:25,479
Speaker 1: whether you I I love spotting, stock backcountry bow hunting,

1595
01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:28,320
Speaker 1: if I'm going to put it in a category, but

1596
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:35,759
Speaker 1: if you like to hunt on a private ranch and

1597
01:40:36,160 --> 01:40:39,240
Speaker 1: you generally drive around and you spott a deer and

1598
01:40:39,280 --> 01:40:42,479
Speaker 1: you shoot it with a rifle, I have nothing against you,

1599
01:40:43,479 --> 01:40:47,080
Speaker 1: as long as you don't post that video. I think

1600
01:40:47,080 --> 01:40:52,439
Speaker 1: it's good. Rifle hunting band were good. Here's the thing

1601
01:40:52,479 --> 01:40:56,280
Speaker 1: that goes back to Ranella and his brother. I can't

1602
01:40:56,280 --> 01:40:58,240
Speaker 1: remember it's Matt or Dainty, but one of his brothers.

1603
01:40:58,280 --> 01:41:03,120
Speaker 1: I believe Matt. It's about the purity score, right. You

1604
01:41:03,160 --> 01:41:05,120
Speaker 1: look at each hunt, you look back at each hunt,

1605
01:41:05,200 --> 01:41:07,280
Speaker 1: and you look at all the elements, and then you

1606
01:41:07,320 --> 01:41:11,720
Speaker 1: look at its purity based on not only like just

1607
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:13,880
Speaker 1: your ideals, because you can't look at the same hunt

1608
01:41:14,040 --> 01:41:16,120
Speaker 1: every hunt in the same way, like that destination hunt

1609
01:41:16,280 --> 01:41:18,519
Speaker 1: and I who knows for you and I whether we'll

1610
01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:21,200
Speaker 1: ever go back there again. I mean we are, but

1611
01:41:21,800 --> 01:41:24,040
Speaker 1: at the time you don't know. So you have to

1612
01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:27,280
Speaker 1: kind of treat those experiences like they're one offs. Now

1613
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:29,960
Speaker 1: if you live there and you could go shoot Mufflan

1614
01:41:30,160 --> 01:41:32,479
Speaker 1: every other day if you wanted to, you would treat

1615
01:41:32,520 --> 01:41:37,080
Speaker 1: that experience differently, hopefully, And and so for me, like

1616
01:41:37,160 --> 01:41:39,760
Speaker 1: each hunt has a purity score, like what's my goal?

1617
01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:42,880
Speaker 1: What feels right? And then what I always say, like

1618
01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:46,479
Speaker 1: when you sit down with that dead animal and think

1619
01:41:46,520 --> 01:41:49,760
Speaker 1: about it, does it what does it feel like? What

1620
01:41:49,840 --> 01:41:51,960
Speaker 1: does it feel like? And that will tell you your

1621
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:55,080
Speaker 1: purity score. It feels like the most amazing feeling in

1622
01:41:55,120 --> 01:41:58,639
Speaker 1: the world. Much like like you if you go out

1623
01:41:58,680 --> 01:42:00,759
Speaker 1: solo hunting for seven or eight days in New Zealand,

1624
01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:03,640
Speaker 1: you shoot a tar with your bow, I bet the

1625
01:42:03,680 --> 01:42:07,200
Speaker 1: purity score feels pretty damn high for that. And when

1626
01:42:07,240 --> 01:42:09,400
Speaker 1: you're sitting over that dead tar, you feel like you're

1627
01:42:09,400 --> 01:42:12,040
Speaker 1: on top of the world. Now. In the same wave,

1628
01:42:12,360 --> 01:42:14,960
Speaker 1: if you roll in the truck and jump out and

1629
01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:19,360
Speaker 1: run up a hill and shoot a mouflan sitting over it,

1630
01:42:19,400 --> 01:42:21,840
Speaker 1: you feel like you've achieved something, but the purity score

1631
01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:25,639
Speaker 1: doesn't feel quite as high. And all I would ever

1632
01:42:25,640 --> 01:42:27,439
Speaker 1: say to anybody is like, you gotta learn from each

1633
01:42:27,439 --> 01:42:29,920
Speaker 1: one of those feelings that I learned from that feeling

1634
01:42:30,040 --> 01:42:35,479
Speaker 1: a little bit. This is me personally. I've never in

1635
01:42:35,560 --> 01:42:41,880
Speaker 1: my life, and whether you look at videos and other

1636
01:42:41,920 --> 01:42:44,960
Speaker 1: things that I've done or what I've never, I like

1637
01:42:45,120 --> 01:42:48,920
Speaker 1: to share my experiences, but only because I feel fortunate

1638
01:42:48,960 --> 01:42:51,960
Speaker 1: to have so many of them. I've never in my

1639
01:42:52,040 --> 01:42:56,240
Speaker 1: life hunting for someone else and you're like, oh, you're

1640
01:42:56,280 --> 01:42:58,599
Speaker 1: a guide. Yeah, but I'm doing that because I love

1641
01:42:58,640 --> 01:43:02,200
Speaker 1: it to do it. I'm I'm helping that person hunt.

1642
01:43:02,600 --> 01:43:07,120
Speaker 1: But it's something that I love to do. When I

1643
01:43:07,160 --> 01:43:10,519
Speaker 1: did a video for under Armor, actually it was one

1644
01:43:10,520 --> 01:43:13,840
Speaker 1: of their Ridge re p episodes, it's titled Alone. Now

1645
01:43:14,439 --> 01:43:16,360
Speaker 1: that's a I don't like the title of it because

1646
01:43:16,439 --> 01:43:19,120
Speaker 1: obviously I'm not alone. It was a weird title for it.

1647
01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:22,280
Speaker 1: They were trying to capture something. Sorry, I don't like

1648
01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:25,799
Speaker 1: the title. All three people were alone. Yeah, um, because

1649
01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:27,720
Speaker 1: most of the time I'm hunting I am alone and

1650
01:43:27,760 --> 01:43:30,160
Speaker 1: they were trying to tell a story, and I get that,

1651
01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:35,320
Speaker 1: but it's part of the voice over in there was

1652
01:43:35,640 --> 01:43:39,479
Speaker 1: very true to the way I hunt. Since I was

1653
01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:45,280
Speaker 1: a kid, I would go out and I would maybe

1654
01:43:45,360 --> 01:43:50,479
Speaker 1: hunt and pass up larger animals just because I love

1655
01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:53,559
Speaker 1: the experience of being out hunting so much that I

1656
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:57,760
Speaker 1: wanted to extend it till the last day. But that's me.

1657
01:43:58,200 --> 01:44:02,280
Speaker 1: So then I started giving myself different challenges, make ways

1658
01:44:02,360 --> 01:44:05,040
Speaker 1: to make it harder, because the more difficult it was,

1659
01:44:05,520 --> 01:44:07,840
Speaker 1: the longer I got to hunt. And I still do

1660
01:44:07,920 --> 01:44:12,560
Speaker 1: that today because for me, the enjoyment is in the

1661
01:44:12,680 --> 01:44:16,080
Speaker 1: labor of it. I want to struggle. I want to

1662
01:44:16,760 --> 01:44:19,680
Speaker 1: go through the paces. I want to feel like I

1663
01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:23,200
Speaker 1: earned the animal, and in that I gain more respect

1664
01:44:23,280 --> 01:44:26,679
Speaker 1: for it, I learned more, I become a better hunter.

1665
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:29,920
Speaker 1: So that's just my way. There's other people that go

1666
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:32,240
Speaker 1: out and they want to shoot the first year they

1667
01:44:32,240 --> 01:44:35,559
Speaker 1: see on the first day, and that to them is

1668
01:44:36,240 --> 01:44:38,679
Speaker 1: is their purity. Well that score, That's how I would

1669
01:44:38,720 --> 01:44:42,080
Speaker 1: ask you, like inside of that level, because after you

1670
01:44:42,120 --> 01:44:45,200
Speaker 1: know to fully fully. But we're talking about with that

1671
01:44:45,479 --> 01:44:48,720
Speaker 1: um lan I hunt. I shot a nice buck at

1672
01:44:48,760 --> 01:44:51,960
Speaker 1: a long distance with a bow A couple of days

1673
01:44:51,960 --> 01:44:56,080
Speaker 1: before I shot that move float with a rifle, you know,

1674
01:44:56,200 --> 01:44:57,720
Speaker 1: so that you all measure this back to how you

1675
01:44:57,760 --> 01:44:59,679
Speaker 1: are as a hunter or whatever. In the purity score

1676
01:44:59,680 --> 01:45:01,320
Speaker 1: of that was like ten out of ten. When I

1677
01:45:01,360 --> 01:45:07,439
Speaker 1: sat over the top of that deer, um, just sorry,

1678
01:45:07,560 --> 01:45:11,720
Speaker 1: just chicking a minute, that third red light there. I mean,

1679
01:45:13,240 --> 01:45:15,439
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean just recording to any card or anything.

1680
01:45:15,560 --> 01:45:20,120
Speaker 1: Just let's just recording. But when I sat over the

1681
01:45:20,160 --> 01:45:22,000
Speaker 1: access here I shot, which now I was hanging to

1682
01:45:22,080 --> 01:45:26,040
Speaker 1: my house here, Um, the purity was ten out of ten.

1683
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Speaker 1: And when I sat over that move fline, the purity

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01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:30,599
Speaker 1: was a little bit less. I don't know what the

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01:45:30,720 --> 01:45:33,320
Speaker 1: number was, but I would ask like I think I

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01:45:33,320 --> 01:45:35,880
Speaker 1: would ask you the question though, Like, so, say you

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01:45:35,960 --> 01:45:37,880
Speaker 1: have a ten days plan for a back country hunt,

1688
01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:39,760
Speaker 1: because I've talked to you before, you're like, I'm three

1689
01:45:39,800 --> 01:45:41,200
Speaker 1: days in. I have to hike up to the phone

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01:45:41,240 --> 01:45:44,439
Speaker 1: booth here just to get some service and call people

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01:45:44,479 --> 01:45:48,000
Speaker 1: in texts or whatever. And so obviously, like you know

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01:45:48,040 --> 01:45:49,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna be out there longer, and you're looking for

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01:45:49,800 --> 01:45:51,760
Speaker 1: a certain deer, well, you have a certain deer you're

1694
01:45:51,760 --> 01:45:54,639
Speaker 1: looking forward. You run into that deer one day two

1695
01:45:55,479 --> 01:45:58,000
Speaker 1: and you have he happens to be laying in a

1696
01:45:58,040 --> 01:46:00,000
Speaker 1: place taking a nap where you can get to pretty

1697
01:46:00,040 --> 01:46:02,320
Speaker 1: easy with your bo It's a tony yard shot. He

1698
01:46:02,360 --> 01:46:04,040
Speaker 1: stands up, you smoke, and he goes, runs the house

1699
01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:07,360
Speaker 1: and dies. Do you feel like your purity score is

1700
01:46:07,360 --> 01:46:11,920
Speaker 1: lower just because the happenstance of it? Or um? Are

1701
01:46:11,960 --> 01:46:13,719
Speaker 1: you just looking up at the deer gods and thinking

1702
01:46:14,040 --> 01:46:16,559
Speaker 1: thank you for that opportunity, Because that's knowing that it

1703
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:20,599
Speaker 1: doesn't come all the time. It just depends on all

1704
01:46:20,600 --> 01:46:23,160
Speaker 1: the time in the day and when it feels right.

1705
01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:25,880
Speaker 1: But if it doesn't feel right to me, I pass

1706
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:29,519
Speaker 1: up the opportunity. And that's just me personally. But for me,

1707
01:46:30,920 --> 01:46:34,599
Speaker 1: more than anything, I enjoy being out there. I mean

1708
01:46:35,360 --> 01:46:37,160
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, I had a muli tagging

1709
01:46:37,200 --> 01:46:41,320
Speaker 1: a great area. I legitimately passed up a giant buck

1710
01:46:41,560 --> 01:46:44,800
Speaker 1: on the first day one that other guides in the

1711
01:46:44,800 --> 01:46:49,599
Speaker 1: area were clamoring over because it wasn't the time yet.

1712
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:53,280
Speaker 1: I wanted to get time to know the area and

1713
01:46:53,320 --> 01:46:57,200
Speaker 1: find deer and have my hunting experience. Now my hunting

1714
01:46:57,200 --> 01:46:59,080
Speaker 1: experience get tarnished and the end up being the worst

1715
01:46:59,080 --> 01:47:01,920
Speaker 1: time of my life. But eighteen days later I was

1716
01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:04,320
Speaker 1: really piste off and wanted to hurt myself, myself and

1717
01:47:04,320 --> 01:47:08,080
Speaker 1: everyone else. Now that's that's a joke. But no, I

1718
01:47:08,120 --> 01:47:10,000
Speaker 1: was very frustrated by the end of it and things

1719
01:47:10,040 --> 01:47:14,679
Speaker 1: went bad. But you know it was it was an experience.

1720
01:47:14,720 --> 01:47:17,280
Speaker 1: I learned a lot and had I shot that deer

1721
01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:19,679
Speaker 1: on the first morning. The first five minutes, I wasn't ready.

1722
01:47:19,760 --> 01:47:24,960
Speaker 1: I wasn't ready to go home. I should have been home.

1723
01:47:25,479 --> 01:47:29,160
Speaker 1: That's like I looked back at my upbringing. You may

1724
01:47:29,200 --> 01:47:33,080
Speaker 1: look back in the same way. But every year I

1725
01:47:33,320 --> 01:47:35,960
Speaker 1: I I have done this for the last three years,

1726
01:47:36,439 --> 01:47:40,920
Speaker 1: probably since I really known you. Um, every year I'll

1727
01:47:40,920 --> 01:47:44,599
Speaker 1: sit down at some point early in the year and

1728
01:47:44,720 --> 01:47:47,439
Speaker 1: think about the past year and the experiences I've had

1729
01:47:47,479 --> 01:47:51,920
Speaker 1: and try to like formulate a bit of a It's

1730
01:47:51,960 --> 01:47:55,320
Speaker 1: like a series of bullet points. So what's changed in me? Like?

1731
01:47:55,479 --> 01:47:59,280
Speaker 1: What has what different? What would I do now that

1732
01:47:59,400 --> 01:48:02,439
Speaker 1: I wouldn't you before? What have I decided not to

1733
01:48:02,479 --> 01:48:04,240
Speaker 1: do anymore that I've done in the past, Like what

1734
01:48:04,439 --> 01:48:06,519
Speaker 1: what do you know? What are the changes? And me

1735
01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:08,280
Speaker 1: as a hunter, because I feel like it's important to

1736
01:48:08,320 --> 01:48:11,559
Speaker 1: always to mark those and you can do that. I'm

1737
01:48:11,560 --> 01:48:13,040
Speaker 1: sure you know how it isn't You can do that

1738
01:48:13,080 --> 01:48:16,000
Speaker 1: every year and sometimes you decide, nah, bear hunting is

1739
01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:17,240
Speaker 1: not for me, and then two years like you're like,

1740
01:48:17,320 --> 01:48:20,360
Speaker 1: oh yeah, bear hunting, let's get back at that. Because

1741
01:48:20,400 --> 01:48:24,439
Speaker 1: it's a cyclical. But I feel like that's important for

1742
01:48:24,479 --> 01:48:28,080
Speaker 1: every Hunter's just you have so many experiences. I mean,

1743
01:48:28,120 --> 01:48:30,120
Speaker 1: what you want three hundred days a year sometimes in

1744
01:48:30,120 --> 01:48:32,800
Speaker 1: the field and on a good year or beast year,

1745
01:48:32,880 --> 01:48:40,400
Speaker 1: depending on most like, that's that's in the field. That's yeah,

1746
01:48:40,520 --> 01:48:44,240
Speaker 1: But I mean I was a full time, full time. Yeah,

1747
01:48:44,280 --> 01:48:49,639
Speaker 1: that's a hundred obviously. Well it's so you know, you

1748
01:48:49,640 --> 01:48:52,479
Speaker 1: you have these like as you say, you you become

1749
01:48:52,520 --> 01:48:56,799
Speaker 1: closer to animals, you understand them, you understand certain particular animals,

1750
01:48:56,800 --> 01:48:59,800
Speaker 1: and and it mean it has to change the way

1751
01:48:59,840 --> 01:49:02,320
Speaker 1: you feel about hunting. Has I mean, there's no way

1752
01:49:02,320 --> 01:49:05,920
Speaker 1: that days in the field doesn't affect you in a

1753
01:49:05,960 --> 01:49:10,960
Speaker 1: freaking massive way. Yeah, it does in some ways, but

1754
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:14,000
Speaker 1: in other ways it just affirms to me that I

1755
01:49:14,080 --> 01:49:16,920
Speaker 1: just love being out there. Yeah, that's all I care about.

1756
01:49:17,439 --> 01:49:20,800
Speaker 1: I'll do anything to you just be out there. And

1757
01:49:20,880 --> 01:49:24,439
Speaker 1: when that feeling dies then, I don't know. That's a

1758
01:49:24,479 --> 01:49:26,760
Speaker 1: sad day. Yeah, when you're like, well, am I sat

1759
01:49:26,760 --> 01:49:30,520
Speaker 1: here for the paycheck, sad day, that's a sad day.

1760
01:49:30,920 --> 01:49:33,280
Speaker 1: It's a good place to end it. Robbie Warren on

1761
01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:38,400
Speaker 1: a sad day, Pass me another Corona. We are out

1762
01:49:38,400 --> 01:49:40,840
Speaker 1: of almost out of corona? Is my wife cut more

1763
01:49:40,920 --> 01:49:44,960
Speaker 1: lines than we had coronas sorry, which is unfortunate. She's

1764
01:49:45,400 --> 01:49:48,000
Speaker 1: way well, Ben, If you don't lose this one, that's

1765
01:49:48,320 --> 01:49:52,160
Speaker 1: uh podcast, gold podcast. I can't help you any more

1766
01:49:52,200 --> 01:49:55,680
Speaker 1: than is this the last time? The last? If this

1767
01:49:55,760 --> 01:49:59,479
Speaker 1: makes the air, does that the first aired, second time?

1768
01:50:00,280 --> 01:50:02,679
Speaker 1: Last time? I don't know. Is this If this makes

1769
01:50:02,680 --> 01:50:05,560
Speaker 1: it to air, does that erase the prior transgression and

1770
01:50:05,680 --> 01:50:08,640
Speaker 1: inspire you to come on later? Or is this it? Regardless,

1771
01:50:09,520 --> 01:50:14,559
Speaker 1: Ah remains to be seen into boil until next time,

1772
01:50:14,800 --> 01:50:18,400
Speaker 1: until maybe next time. Just kidding, Thank you, buddy, Yeah,

1773
01:50:18,439 --> 01:50:24,040
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, Ben, bro all right, that's it. Episode

1774
01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:28,080
Speaker 1: number six is in the books. I'll tell you what

1775
01:50:28,640 --> 01:50:31,519
Speaker 1: one of my favorites. There might have been some rambling,

1776
01:50:31,560 --> 01:50:33,400
Speaker 1: there might have been some mistakes. We're gonna leave that

1777
01:50:33,439 --> 01:50:39,160
Speaker 1: all in unedited conversation. Just two guys that love hunting.

1778
01:50:39,360 --> 01:50:43,240
Speaker 1: And I can't tell you how privileged I am to

1779
01:50:43,439 --> 01:50:46,000
Speaker 1: have known Remy for the time that I've known him

1780
01:50:46,040 --> 01:50:49,479
Speaker 1: and to hopefully, you know, go on this hunting journey

1781
01:50:49,479 --> 01:50:52,360
Speaker 1: with him for for the next uh number of decades,

1782
01:50:52,479 --> 01:50:54,960
Speaker 1: since we're both around the same age, and I feel

1783
01:50:54,960 --> 01:50:57,680
Speaker 1: like we've got a lot of hunting story left to

1784
01:50:57,760 --> 01:51:00,720
Speaker 1: tell and I can't wait to tell with Remy. And

1785
01:51:00,760 --> 01:51:03,880
Speaker 1: I would thank him again for joining me on the

1786
01:51:03,960 --> 01:51:09,760
Speaker 1: Hunting Collective for a second time, and we'll apologize for

1787
01:51:09,880 --> 01:51:13,640
Speaker 1: deleting the first podcast that we did a couple of

1788
01:51:13,640 --> 01:51:17,559
Speaker 1: weeks ago. Anyway, if you want to find any of

1789
01:51:17,560 --> 01:51:20,400
Speaker 1: the other five podcasts we've done previous to this one,

1790
01:51:20,760 --> 01:51:23,400
Speaker 1: you can go to the Hunting Collective dot com. You

1791
01:51:23,439 --> 01:51:29,200
Speaker 1: can check out Steve Ornella, Ryan Callahan, Aubrey Marcus, Shane Mahoney,

1792
01:51:29,680 --> 01:51:34,360
Speaker 1: John Dudley, and of course this one. There's videos there,

1793
01:51:34,360 --> 01:51:37,000
Speaker 1: there's articles there. There's an article there that I enjoy

1794
01:51:37,120 --> 01:51:41,040
Speaker 1: called the meat Eater Revolution that I penned some years

1795
01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:45,920
Speaker 1: ago that is basically about how intellectual foodies and people

1796
01:51:45,960 --> 01:51:49,320
Speaker 1: that are are angling hunting in a different way can

1797
01:51:49,400 --> 01:51:52,679
Speaker 1: help us. Let's see our pursuits in through different prisons.

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01:51:53,720 --> 01:51:56,280
Speaker 1: Hopefully you enjoy that, you'll enjoy everything at Hunting Collective

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01:51:56,320 --> 01:52:00,599
Speaker 1: dot com. All these episodes are down load a ble

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Speaker 1: is that a work? Downe a little more on Stitcher

1801
01:52:04,040 --> 01:52:06,639
Speaker 1: and iTunes. If you so happen to go to iTunes,

1802
01:52:07,040 --> 01:52:09,559
Speaker 1: please give me a review. Hopefully it's a good one.

1803
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:12,639
Speaker 1: Please subscribe to tell all your friends to do the same,

1804
01:52:13,240 --> 01:52:16,360
Speaker 1: and hopefully we will see you here next week for

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01:52:16,600 --> 01:52:36,040
Speaker 1: episode number seven. Bye.