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Speaker 1: So how did Mac look? He was not there? No,

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Speaker 1: he I just can't believe this, it happens. Let maybe

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Speaker 1: the first one to say it, not a team player

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Speaker 1: who doesn't want it. And I promise you, but the

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Speaker 1: x NFL quarterback was not Scott zol Wow. What circles

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Speaker 1: are you running with? Parilla? What's going on here? You

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Speaker 1: can't tell, Babe, Parilli. At times we've seen Bill take

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Speaker 1: out the hose, put that away. Press commence went from

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Speaker 1: ten and a half to nine and a half. You

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Speaker 1: could because Matt could play. I think I saw that

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Speaker 1: it might have moved last night. Actually, when I'm in

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Speaker 1: surgery into the wide zone and Fred playing the role

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here

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Speaker 1: at Gillette Stadium. So we're officially at our last show

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Speaker 1: of the week. We're gonna do our picks, our final

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Speaker 1: ruminations about the week that has that was, and the

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Speaker 1: Um and of course, uh, mac Watch mac Watches number

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Speaker 1: one continues to uh, I mean we were led to

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Speaker 1: continues to be a story that he could play Sunday

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Speaker 1: Yeah on the Twitter machine. Are you buying it? I'm not. No,

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Speaker 1: last Sunday Wow. But you never know, you know, the

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Speaker 1: pain could have been excruciating, And but he still plays.

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Speaker 1: I think if he plays, it's the legend of Mac grows.

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Speaker 1: He's got to play well, like he's like, hey, he

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Speaker 1: played on one leg and he was terrible, isn't he great? Really?

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Speaker 1: Are just different now, No, I mean, especially if he

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Speaker 1: it's not gonna happen. The toughest quarterback in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: I stand by it. I still make fun of Paul Pierce.

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Speaker 1: They won that game. I still make fun of Paul

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Speaker 1: Pierce to this day. Great great Celtic won the championship.

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Speaker 1: I still laugh at him and mock him for going

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Speaker 1: off the court in a in a wheelchair. Now you're consistent.

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Speaker 1: We got a pre you with it last year with

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Speaker 1: Here's where I'll give Matt credit. He didn't start bawling

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Speaker 1: It's hard to do hop no help. He looks ready

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Speaker 1: he wouldn't take the help. He's like, let me get

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Speaker 1: It's like the hockey play. The tough hockey players, they

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Speaker 1: isn't yes the pucks and play in hockey like you. No, no,

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Speaker 1: Now it's a little different now they try to play

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Speaker 1: I'm not really worried about Brian Hoyer in the game.

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Speaker 1: I'm worried about pretty much everything else. Um, But that's

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Speaker 1: I kind of agree with Mike said it's unfortunate that

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Speaker 1: all we're talking about is is mac Jones gonna play?

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Speaker 1: When is he going to play? How long is he

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Speaker 1: going to be out? I mean, and I get that

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Speaker 1: that's what Bill wants because he wants there to be uncertainty.

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Speaker 1: thinking about it. Well, I was talking to somebody on

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Speaker 1: no Never the more you you can't win when you're

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Speaker 1: well when Willie? But then Green Bay would know he's

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Speaker 1: concerned about Tae Kwon Thornton because can't he start practicing

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Speaker 1: can practice this week. Yeah, I'm not sure. Nobody asked,

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Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I don't know. No, these rules seem

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Speaker 1: to that this minor tweaks to these rules all the time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Like you know, like like it's just pushing them, They

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Speaker 1: talking in the middle of like a news reporter was breathless,

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Speaker 1: wondering if anybody asked him about Axel and that's news

426
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Speaker 1: and then Alan and then Alan was like, no, I

427
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Speaker 1: didn't just I mean, I just said hello Axel and

428
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Speaker 1: he responded, oh, thanks, Mattha. And then the news reporter guy,

429
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Speaker 1: I think it was Duke. You know it was where

430
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Speaker 1: Axel cover time? Duke. Yeah, okay, he's a sports guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sorry I miss misdescribed him initially,

432
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Speaker 1: but yeah, I thought it was like a Byron Barnett

433
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Speaker 1: coming down. Mike, you're not you're not a Capital Jake journalist.

434
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Speaker 1: Please step aside and let the real reporters bill. What

435
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Speaker 1: would you say to the fans who demands to know? Right? Well,

436
00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,520
Speaker 1: that was like a Brown Antonio Brown. I know. Well

437
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Speaker 1: that's why I was waiting for it for I mean,

438
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Speaker 1: I thought that the big guy was down here, like

439
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Speaker 1: he's coming down to ask about I love when the

440
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Speaker 1: news reporters come down, show us how it's done. Mac

441
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Speaker 1: Jones injury, and they never get it done. They never

442
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Speaker 1: get it done. They come in they you know, oh

443
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Speaker 1: I'll get the answer. I'll get this Axel mystery out

444
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Speaker 1: of him. Yeah, my parents just named me that. Oh

445
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Speaker 1: I don't know, but but it was, it was, it was,

446
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Speaker 1: you know, interesting to have him be the be the

447
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Speaker 1: quarterback yesterday. I mean, there was some can usu if

448
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:01,879
Speaker 1: he was gonna go, if he was gonna go with

449
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:03,639
Speaker 1: his locker, where are we going to carry it? And

450
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,159
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, it's all happening and he

451
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Speaker 1: started going, I'm just looking at at Horrier's stats and

452
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Speaker 1: like the whole, like the good stretch thing went in.

453
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Speaker 1: In fourteen, he went seven and six as the starter

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Speaker 1: with Cleveland, which on the surface seems pretty good. You know,

455
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Speaker 1: they're they're you know, thirteen starts. He went seven and

456
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Speaker 1: six with Cleveland. Not easy to do Cleveland, but completed

457
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Speaker 1: fifty five percent of his passes with twelve touchdowns and

458
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Speaker 1: thirteen picks. Yeah, so anyway that Cleveland, he was a

459
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Speaker 1: little better than we you know, kind of gave it

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Speaker 1: credit for it. But I think in that season, I'm

461
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Speaker 1: not talking about the season, there was a stretch within

462
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Speaker 1: the season where he did well and then he dropped

463
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Speaker 1: off at the end. Yeah, I know, I don't remember

464
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Speaker 1: the specifics of it, but I remember just being happy

465
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Speaker 1: for him that he was, you know, getting a chance

466
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Speaker 1: and playing well. And I mean, and then he got

467
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Speaker 1: hurt in Green Bay at that game he started. I mean,

468
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Speaker 1: I remember he had a I think he tores acl

469
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Speaker 1: not then at another points He's just had really bad

470
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Speaker 1: luck too with some of his uh you know, injuries

471
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Speaker 1: and you know, get an opportunity and then you get

472
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Speaker 1: hurt and stuff, so and stuff. Let's see. I think

473
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Speaker 1: I think he's been no, I'm not trying to tell

474
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Speaker 1: you pretty bad. I mean, he completes less than sixty

475
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Speaker 1: percent of his passes. It's not exactly a small sample size.

476
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Speaker 1: That's a very very low number. That is for today's

477
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Speaker 1: end of the NFL. That's you you gotta be like

478
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Speaker 1: mid sixty five, Yeah, mid sixties. He's fifty nine point three.

479
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Speaker 1: He's sixteen and twenty three as a starter. That I mean,

480
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Speaker 1: that's a good amount of starts. Yeah, those are Ryan

481
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Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick numbers. Yeah, in other words, bad. Do you see

482
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Speaker 1: about how much Ryan Fitzpatrick doesn't like Tom Brady? Do

483
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Speaker 1: you see any of those? Yeah, I mean, yeah, he's

484
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Speaker 1: doesn't have a lot of respect for him. Yeah. So

485
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Speaker 1: that one time they beat him in, like I think

486
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Speaker 1: with twenty eleven when they beat him up in, you

487
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Speaker 1: didn't come out and say thank you, congratulations. He put

488
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Speaker 1: up a fight and a bunch of those games. I

489
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Speaker 1: mean he got Brady a few times, especially at the

490
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Speaker 1: end of that that nineteen game at the end of

491
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Speaker 1: the season. That one was that was not good. That

492
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Speaker 1: was a bad one. Yeah, I got the last laugh there.

493
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Speaker 1: I think Fitzpatrick is funny, you know, Like I remember

494
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Speaker 1: we went up to Buffalo and he did well and

495
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 1: they were like, okay, we got our guy and they

496
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 1: signed him to that deal and yeah, yeah, he just

497
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Speaker 1: he's not consistent. You just can't. It's hard to find

498
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Speaker 1: a consistent quarter. Yeah. All right, five five past five

499
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Speaker 1: hundred's the a ticket outline web radio at Patris dot com.

500
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Speaker 1: We got picks today. We have to hurry just a

501
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Speaker 1: little preview. How did people do? Just overall? You guys

502
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Speaker 1: are struggling. Really, come on, that's my preview. Yeah, okay,

503
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Speaker 1: you guys are struggling, but not you mad bad. I'm

504
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Speaker 1: struggling for me, but not in relation to you guys. Okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, Uh let's get to the phones. We'll start

506
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Speaker 1: with Tyler and Connecticut. Hey, ty Jo left over from

507
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Speaker 1: the postgame show. Uh, Melvin's in Tennessee. What's up, Melviny? Hey? Um,

508
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Speaker 1: I just got a question about Green Bay about how

509
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Speaker 1: you all would I guess side with Aaron Rodgers with this.

510
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Speaker 1: I guess his little beef was with them that they

511
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Speaker 1: didn't get him a lot of weapons. I guess throughout

512
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Speaker 1: Green Bay. I feel like the I guess I can

513
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Speaker 1: kind of see his point. A lot of his teams

514
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Speaker 1: from more top heavy. He didn't have like the dam

515
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Speaker 1: and dollar, so whatever option for So would you all

516
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Speaker 1: feel like that he has a point with his lack

517
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Speaker 1: of weapons, weapons, a lack of bringing people into fully

518
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Speaker 1: maximized green based opportunity or would you side more with

519
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Speaker 1: the owners of like you know it was good nothing

520
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Speaker 1: the season you won all these regular season games, did

521
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Speaker 1: you know you did the MVPs? You just didn't come

522
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Speaker 1: through in the playoffs wouldn't matter. So who are would

523
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Speaker 1: you really be signed for? And that I think I'd

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Speaker 1: be signing with Aaron Rodgers. Actually I side with neither side. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I think it's ridiculous that a team has a philosophy

526
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Speaker 1: that they don't sign free agents. We just don't do it. Yeah,

527
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Speaker 1: I think that's ridiculous. So I sided with Aaron Rodgers

528
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Speaker 1: on the other side to suggest that Aaron Rodgers doesn't

529
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Speaker 1: have weapons when he had Davante Adams for all those

530
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Speaker 1: years and Randall Cobbles right now, No, this, at this

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Speaker 1: particular moment in time, they just drafted two receivers for him,

532
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Speaker 1: like in this particular draft. Yeah. Yeah. The only the

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Speaker 1: only thing that I would I would sign with Aaron

534
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Speaker 1: Rodgers on is the Jordan Love pick. That would piss

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Speaker 1: me off too if I were Aaron Rodgers, like you

536
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Speaker 1: drafted him a replacement and you're not gonna get You're

537
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Speaker 1: not gonna sign me any free agents, but you're gonna

538
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Speaker 1: drap my replacement. That would piss me off too. But otherwise,

539
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Speaker 1: I think Aaron Rodgers has kind of come up small

540
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Speaker 1: in the biggest spots, Like do I think he's not great? No?

541
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Speaker 1: I think he's one of the greatest quarterbacks ever. But

542
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Speaker 1: did they lose last year because they didn't have enough weapons?

543
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Speaker 1: Did they lose to San Francisco in that game because

544
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Speaker 1: of weapons or because he couldn't put any points on

545
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Speaker 1: the board, right, Like, part of it is you got

546
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Speaker 1: to look in the mirror and find out why you're

547
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Speaker 1: not coming up big when it when it matters most.

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Speaker 1: They've had a lot of lambeau Field loss is in

549
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Speaker 1: the playoffs. So I'll make I'll push back a little

550
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Speaker 1: bit and play the side of Aaron Rodgers. When you

551
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Speaker 1: get to the playoffs, you play the better teams with

552
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Speaker 1: better defenses. And the fact when I don't have weapons,

553
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: it shows up more against those teams. Right, And he

554
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: had the best wide receiver in football and lost with him. Right,

555
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Speaker 1: One guy though, the number one Randall Cobb is one

556
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Speaker 1: of the best slot receivers in football too. Yeah, like

557
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Speaker 1: they had plenty. Okay, I'm just saying, I'm just I'm

558
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Speaker 1: just playing this side. Yeah, And I'm pushing back on

559
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Speaker 1: the team side. Again. I blame the team because I

560
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: think it's ridictive. Philosophy is ridiculous. They have not maximized

561
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Speaker 1: the roster around Aaron Rodgers. So I understand Rogers's side.

562
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: They could be better, but they didn't. They lost to

563
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Speaker 1: when inferior team in the playoffs at home last year. Yeah,

564
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Speaker 1: and that's not the first time that that's happened. But

565
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Speaker 1: I like what they did with Dobson Watson, like I

566
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Speaker 1: wish the Patients had done something similar where you get

567
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Speaker 1: two different but both explosive and athletic guys that all right,

568
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Speaker 1: there's gonna be some growing paints. They're thrown right into

569
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Speaker 1: the fire as the leading receiver right now. Watson hurt

570
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: but still has that potential. And to me, yeah, I'm

571
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Speaker 1: one hundred percent on the Rogers side on that, Like sure,

572
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Speaker 1: because what's what what value getting out of that? If

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Speaker 1: if you go out and sign like uh, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't think of like who in

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Speaker 1: that particular year. But let's say a guy of the

576
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Speaker 1: caliber of even Kenny Galladay, who's been a tremendous disappointment

577
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Speaker 1: with the Giants. Right, I'm not talking about the best.

578
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about a quality NFL player. If you

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Speaker 1: would signed him and then drafted Jordan Love in the

580
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: first round, I could say, Okay, yeah, listen, Aaron, we're

581
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Speaker 1: gonna get you this guy. We're gonna draft a quarterback

582
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Speaker 1: because we've got to think about life after you. But

583
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 1: we're gonna go out and they don't do that. So

584
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Speaker 1: I understand Aaron Rodgers, is you know point of view

585
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: there much like what we used to argue with Tom. Yeah,

586
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: you know, toward the end he was upset when you know,

587
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,360
Speaker 1: with Jimmy and they weren't getting me weapons. And now yeah,

588
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I BET's going a little bit. I like

589
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: it all right later, Thanks Alvin, very good. Um. I

590
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: just think the whole they don't have any weapons thing

591
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 1: is a crutch for Aaron Rodgers. You know, I think

592
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: they've had, they've had weapons. I can't listen to that

593
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: when all I hear is every other call is they

594
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: need a number one. They need a number one, like

595
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: like the Packers have a number one. Like don't tell me,

596
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: oh they don't have the one. They had one and

597
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: he's a good one. Yeah this year, light of my

598
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 1: summer one. This year might be different. But they did

599
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: draft two guys for him who were right in the

600
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Speaker 1: mix too. You know. Let's see Ryan writes in he's

601
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Speaker 1: a Cowboys fan. U if you already talked about it

602
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: before you get to see mail, then discard. But I

603
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Speaker 1: want to get your thoughts on what Lombardi said about

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Speaker 1: Mac yesterday or the day before. I feel he is

605
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Speaker 1: just trying to protect Bill and will not put any

606
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: blame at all on Bill. Belichick could murder someone and

607
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: Lombardi will tell you he didn't. I don't trust anything

608
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Speaker 1: he says. Yeah, I agree, Yeah, I actually printed it out.

609
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Speaker 1: Just when you have some some whenever a relationship like

610
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Speaker 1: that too. And I'm not even blaming Bill here because

611
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: when you have a relationship like that, Bill doesn't even

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Speaker 1: have to talk to Mike Lombardi. Mike Lombardi just sort

613
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: of takes it upon himself. He knows, right, he knows

614
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Speaker 1: what's going on there. He knows he's under fire a

615
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: little bit, so he's rallying. Now. I'm not telling you

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Speaker 1: that he didn't talk to to Mike Lombardi. Maybe he did,

617
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Speaker 1: but I'm just saying, what that kind of a relationship,

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Speaker 1: that kind of history, Lombardi doesn't need any prompting. He's

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Speaker 1: going to do that anyway. I mean, aside from the

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Speaker 1: point I mean I I mean, I don't disagree with

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Speaker 1: a lot of his points though. I mean, you can

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Speaker 1: say that it's it's shining the light on Mac and

623
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Speaker 1: his mistakes, but I mean, you know, I can't really

624
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Speaker 1: argue with a lot of his points saying, I mean,

625
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: they did move the ball. They're making critical turnovers in

626
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Speaker 1: the worst moments. This is a kid that you got

627
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: the thought weren't wasn't going to make these mistakes. You know.

628
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Speaker 1: I'm like, and I'll blame the offense design and all

629
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: that stuff for part of it too, But you know,

630
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Speaker 1: you had a real chance to win that game last week,

631
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Speaker 1: and you know, do you really blame the offense for it? Like?

632
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Speaker 1: I see, here's my problem. Okay, have you ever gone

633
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Speaker 1: into a game saying, if we can just average seven

634
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Speaker 1: yards of play today, we're gonna win. If we can

635
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Speaker 1: have a higher average per play than the other team,

636
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna win. No, we're just cherry picking stats, And

637
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: this particular one is cherry picked from one particular game,

638
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: and it's the only game that they've had success consistently

639
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: making big plays, which is why the average per play

640
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: against Baltimore was high. By the way, so was Baltimore's

641
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: leaves that part out. I guess when when the coach's

642
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: son is involved on defense, we don't have to worry

643
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: about that side of the ball, because if you think

644
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: that's coaching, then you'll just be in naive. And by

645
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: the way, he wanted to say stupid and stopped himself

646
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: and then change stud he went naive, he changed you know. Yeah,

647
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: I just don't understand how you can sit here and

648
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: tell me that everything has been great with the approach

649
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: on offense, because on Sunday we've talked about this, the

650
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: throws to Parker were eight. That's the best I've seen

651
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: the offense. Look, that ain't the offense that played against Miami,

652
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: and it ain't the offense that played against Pittsburgh. No,

653
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: So now this is so they did it once, you know,

654
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: for half the game against Baltimore, and this is what

655
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: they are now. But it's it's don't don't blame the coaching.

656
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: This is what they are. It's all Mac. And that's

657
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: the other thing about what Lombardi said, like he said, oh, Matt,

658
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: you know Max's making really bad decisions. Okay, Well, is

659
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: it his decision to throw to Parker all those times?

660
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: Is it his decision to throw these fifty fifty balls

661
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: that we've been right. So, yeah, that you were mocking yesterday.

662
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: So we're given the coaching credit for those, but we're

663
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: blaming Mac for the bad plays, you know, And that's

664
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: basically my problem with it. Meanwhile, Matt hasn't played well,

665
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: but you're blaming it all on Mac. You're not taking

666
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: anything else to Maco's the sideline. It sounded like he

667
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: was blaming the coaching for that one, that interception in

668
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: the end zone. I think he was mad at at

669
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: Parker on that, but I don't know. I mean, I'm

670
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: just kind of I don't know. I think I think

671
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: he was yelling at was cover four? Where what is

672
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: he doing? Why is he? Why isn't he there? Oh?

673
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: I thought it was covered for why'd you call that play?

674
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: But maybe it could be could be right too. This

675
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: is what happens when you don't find anything out. Everybody's speculating,

676
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: and so my thing is, Okay, if you really think

677
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: it was the wrong play, check out of it. Yeah,

678
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: and I'm not defending Mac, you know, like like like

679
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: that he's blameless. I think Mac has thrown the ball

680
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: into Harm's way too many times. I made a comment yesterday.

681
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: He's got five picks. He could have at least five more. Yeah,

682
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: if the defensive backs could catch the ball that some

683
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: of these things, he'd be really and struggling. But this

684
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: isn't all on Mac. No, it isn't. And I'm like

685
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: I said earlier, I'm not I don't care about those

686
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: ones he's thrown in harm's way. That's part of his

687
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: growing process. You know, he's got to learn what he

688
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: can and can't do. Uh, you know, and I think

689
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: last year he was protected a lot, and this year

690
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: it's he's not and he's gonna make mistakes and you're

691
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: gonna have to live with that. If you really want

692
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: to develop a young quarterback, you're gonna have to live

693
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: with it. Yeah. But there's a line too of just

694
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: you know, and I I feel like that's what he's

695
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: you know. I I don't think that he was in

696
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: danger of getting benched like like Lombardi kind of. I

697
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: don't add like, but I'm gonna give him a pass

698
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: on that one. I don't think he meant that literally,

699
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: but I do think that, you know, if this season

700
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: was going to turn around, it was going to have

701
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: to be with Mac Jones making some significant strides. To

702
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: you know to to elevate the offense more, and you know,

703
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: just just have a game where it's clean, you know,

704
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: like just show me that. I mean, you know, I

705
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: don't know how long he'll be out, but let's say

706
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: he never got hurt. Maybe by week eight, nine ten,

707
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: we do see significant improvement. But you've got to you know, yeah,

708
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: well you got to grow. And it's like it's not

709
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: just gonna happen overnight. And if he hadn't gotten hurt

710
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: on that last play, I feel like I would I

711
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: would be able to be pretty encouraged right now of

712
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: just just don't make the mistakes, like you can move

713
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: the ball. You're you're showing strides to me. You're showing

714
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: me plays where he had some zip on that he

715
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: got that in there. I didn't. I hadn't seen those

716
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: throws last year, right, you know. But now it's like, well,

717
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: you're now you're derailed. You're probably gonna miss a bunch

718
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: of games. When you come back, you're gonna be rusty,

719
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,479
Speaker 1: you know, so how much are we even really going

720
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: to learn about mac Jones in year two? It puts

721
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: everything back his development in our Yeah, and now our

722
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,439
Speaker 1: developed and then like you know, and I've been saying,

723
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: I don't know when he's going to come back, but

724
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: either way, it's a murderer's row at the second half

725
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 1: of that, like the last what six weeks of the season,

726
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: Buffalo twice. Um, you gotta go out to Arizona Raiders.

727
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: You know, I know those don't look quite like what

728
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: they did maybe four weeks ago. But you know, it's

729
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: it's it's a really tough spot for him to come

730
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: back and kind of recapture momentum. And you know that,

731
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: And that's why I hope it's not a long time

732
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: and then he's able to get back to some of

733
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 1: the stretch of these games that are that are winnable.

734
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: I think if he's the guy, he'll work, He'll you know,

735
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: I have no doubt he'll work. I just wish that

736
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: we had some kind of clarity of what to expect

737
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 1: and when to expect him. And you know, Mike, you

738
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: don't need to know. You don't need to know. Okay,

739
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: it's processed. Don't be so results. Ye, George's new today,

740
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: George is in Texas. Any idea when the Patriots will

741
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: sport the throwback jerseys? Yes, I do have an idea

742
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: and Detroit will be one of the games and uh,

743
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 1: what was it the Bills or I keep forgetting is

744
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: of the Bills Thursday night? Yeah Bills? Yeah yeah, yeah,

745
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 1: we'll throwback. But the week after this home game against Detroit,

746
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: you'll see the Reds. Yeah yeah, yeah, that's uh, that's

747
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: out there right yep. This season, I feel Mac is

748
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: doing too much. I see the good get overshadowed by

749
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 1: the bat. I also think Parker needs to work more

750
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 1: with Mac off the field. Not knowing that Mac has

751
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: changed the play based on what he is seeing is

752
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: confusing Parker. This is preventing him to go full speed

753
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: to get open because he doesn't know where to go.

754
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: And that's max fold. Yeah, I mean I've seeing the

755
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: thing twice with Parker is a little bit strange to

756
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: me though, a pre snap like what doing that kind

757
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: of thing like that, that's not good. That the red

758
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: flag to me with see, but that also that also

759
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: can be a couple of different things that could be

760
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: like I missed that, like what would you say? Yeah,

761
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm obviously not saying on the field,

762
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: he's saying what did you say? But like when he

763
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: gives them one of these is like I didn't hear

764
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: you could be as simple as that, or is you

765
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: know x X y Z cross. I don't know what

766
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: that means, you know, like you know when when v

767
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: comes in and talks about you know, EPA, like like,

768
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what that means. Maybe it's

769
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: he doesn't know what he's doing. Maybe he doesn't know

770
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 1: the adjustments and the calls, which is a much bigger problem.

771
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: But I just think that we just well Parker doesn't

772
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,479
Speaker 1: know what he's doing. I just think there's a little

773
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: bit of an issue with mac in that it seems

774
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: like and this kind of pops up with some of

775
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: the free rushers too, of not taking that last extra

776
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: second to know what's going on, and some of the

777
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: like the late rotation stuff right before the snap have

778
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: fooled him. And the same thing with Parker where it

779
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: feels like he's getting the snap and but you don't

780
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 1: have everybody on the same page. And I mean I've

781
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: seen Parker do it twice in three games where it

782
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: kind of like he doesn't get the second call and

783
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: then he just kind of all right, and then he

784
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: kind of runs, you know, And so I don't know,

785
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: I think that might be an operational thing of just

786
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,439
Speaker 1: making sure that extra beat that everybody's on the same page. Yeah,

787
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: I think that's a good point. Jonas writes in Small Thing,

788
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: But please turn off the phone notifications during taping Tuesday

789
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,919
Speaker 1: was brutal with dozens of instances of that stupid sound.

790
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: It must have been a big day on the Perillo

791
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 1: family group chat. I think it's not my fault. It's

792
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,439
Speaker 1: the iPad that tried to turn off the sound here.

793
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: This is as annoying as Andy talking over everyone all

794
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: the time, or when Fred Let's callers talk endlessly over

795
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: the panel. Yeah you know, easy mac Ah, Let's see

796
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: lots of emails. Tony writes in This Morning Damian Woody

797
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: and the hated Bart Scott really nailed it what he

798
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: said about the Patriots. Nobody scares you a nondescript team.

799
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: The despise Scott and discussing the Patriots noted coaching can

800
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,280
Speaker 1: only get you so far. It's about the personnel. Until

801
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: this team significantly improves the talent, and that talent gets

802
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 1: in their prime age twenty four to twenty eight, the

803
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: Patriots will go nowhere. Well, but I do think they're

804
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: improving their talent I do, not as fast as I'd like, No,

805
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: not as fast as I think any of us would like.

806
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 1: And then some of that talent, I want to see

807
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: what happens when they become free agents. Are they're gonna

808
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 1: be allowed? You know, like J C. Jackson to me

809
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: should have been part of the future, but you let

810
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,959
Speaker 1: them walk, you know. And I wasn't like I didn't

811
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 1: kill him for that because I didn't think as much

812
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: of J. C. Jackson as some other people do. But

813
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: he was better than what you had. I never arged

814
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: you that, Yeah, well it's just I mean, that's and

815
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: that's one of the players that you didn't draft but

816
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: that you developed, and that knows what he's doing, and

817
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: that was a playmaker, and you know those are really

818
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: hard to find. And not surprisingly you got hurt when

819
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: he left. I know he did, but you know, just

820
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: the development of Dugger, and you know, like, how would

821
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: you feel it all? You know, this is Dougger's third year,

822
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: So how would you feel if Dugger was allowed to

823
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: walk after the twenty three season. I mean, I'd be disappointed,

824
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: But I mean, at this point, I probably think that's

825
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 1: what's going to happen, unless unless he plays so middling

826
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 1: that they can just get him on a team friendly deal.

827
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: But you got to pay somebody. That's a sneaky negative

828
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: comment right there. You know what he's saying. Fred, Yeah,

829
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: if he's really good, he'll be too expensive and they

830
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: won't resign him. Right. You've got to have like your

831
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: core players, you got to pay him, That's what I'm saying.

832
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: Like Barmore, Dugger, they don't have a ton of them. No, Stevenson. Yeah,

833
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 1: And I mean even these players your name and it's

834
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: it's they're younger, they're kind of what I'm saying. If

835
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: they develop, you're gonna pay them once they hit their contract. Well,

836
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: not Stevenson because he's a running back. Yeah, I Stevenson.

837
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 1: You gotta keep somebody. Yeah, you do, like, who are

838
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: the guy and what if he is? That sounds like me,

839
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: got to keep somebody. If he's just a running back

840
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: and he's just like your leading ball carrier, then I

841
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 1: wouldn't you know me, I wouldn't even bat an eye

842
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: if you let him go, because you can get that.

843
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: But if they kind of turn him into like an

844
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: Alvin Camara type, then I am interested in retaining him. Yeah,

845
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 1: I agree, you know, he's gonna be not necessarily a

846
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: three hundred, three hundred and fifty carry guy, but maybe

847
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: a couple one hundred carries with another fifty catches. I'm

848
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: interested in that guy because I think that guy can

849
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 1: impact games. Camara can impact games. But you know, and

850
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: I'm not telling you that I think Romadre Stevenson's as

851
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: good as Alvin Camara. But you know what I mean,

852
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: Let's let's, you know, dream a little bit. What if

853
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: tycon Thornton is that speed guy that opens things up right? Well?

854
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: Would would you want to keep him on your tea? Yeah?

855
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: The fear is that you allow him to walk after

856
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: for you? Right? Right? Do you think I kind of

857
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,240
Speaker 1: continues for one quis, do you think they're more willing

858
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: to pay third down kind of running back because they're

859
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 1: not as worried about wear and tear and like a

860
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: guy like James White or Kevin Folk, they're not taking

861
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: the pounding. So and it's also a value of their

862
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: intelligence and their pass protection and knowing what to do

863
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: within the offense, whereas maybe they just it would be

864
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 1: really hard for a first second down power back to

865
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: get a second contract because they just view them as

866
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: kind of replaceable. I mean, as much as I'm with you,

867
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: and I like Stevenson a little bit better than Damian Harris,

868
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: like not not a huge difference. I mean it's you know,

869
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 1: but I think he's definitely better in the passing game.

870
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, So that's that's that's that's what I

871
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 1: would watch. But right now, i'd even be in favor

872
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: if you want to, you want to resign Harris and Stevenson,

873
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 1: you know, like maybe Harris to a more reasonable contractum,

874
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: and you sort of keep it the way it is,

875
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 1: like Harris is more of the main ball carrier and

876
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: Stevenson's more the hybrid guy. I wouldn't be necessarily posted

877
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: because I know they're not going to break the bank.

878
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 1: They're not going to give him a Derrick Henry contract.

879
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: You know, where you're putting all your eggs in that basket.

880
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: I know that. I know the Patriots I going to

881
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: do that with a running back. But right it's like

882
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: Duger's in year three, so like and when's he going

883
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: to be bad? And he was back out there, but

884
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: you know, he's a little bit thinged up right now.

885
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 1: Like I mean, he's got a year and a half

886
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: like to to either prove that he is this like

887
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: player that all the fans want him to be of,

888
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: you know, potential game changing kind of safety. But at

889
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: the same time, they got like four safeties that they play,

890
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: so is he ever going to be able to make it?

891
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it's tied to the running backs

892
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: with the same kind of thing, where you have such

893
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: a volume of guys that it's hard for a guy

894
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 1: to really stand out, and maybe in a way then

895
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: it keeps their production down and then it enables them

896
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 1: to continue to take a good chance that you're only

897
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: going to have two of those four next year with

898
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: mccordy and Pepper's probably gone, and then you would hope

899
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: under that scenario that Bledsoe can sort of grow into

900
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: one of those spots, yeah, you know, and give you

901
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: some contributions there. Maybe maybe Miles Bryant could be more

902
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: of like the deep kind of like the mccordy replacement,

903
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: because I think he's pretty good in rich Maybe he

904
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: he could give you a little bit more there. Well.

905
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones, I mean I think he's he's this is

906
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: his last year his deal, you know, I mean, we

907
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: talk about not having a lot of cornerback not having

908
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 1: you know, a guy you've already given a second contract

909
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: to him. He's playing great. I mean I think was

910
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,439
Speaker 1: it Reese that wrote wrote about him playing Dug Hide

911
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: was highlighting him of just you know the you know,

912
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: I know he's topping the he's topping the PF ratings

913
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: right now. He's I mean, he's number one in all

914
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: the ratings, number one, number one. But I mean regardless,

915
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 1: he's a good player. He's made I mean he two

916
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: two big plays last week. You know, of of everybody

917
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: on the team that you're saying star players to make

918
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: impact plays, like he's one of one of them. Think

919
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: so far he's having his best seed. I think I

920
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: think fans are right to make fun of me. I

921
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: think I have problems. I have to really reevaluate. Well,

922
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: you just don't like the fans. I'm just looking at

923
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: that play where Bateman cartog in front of him, gave

924
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: him a little move and he was standing still thirty

925
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: yards like it's gonna happen. I mean, I don't even

926
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: think he was in coverage. If this is my whole

927
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: thing with the ratings, I don't really care about like

928
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: like his ratings are great because he knocked the ball

929
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: away like in that like you get small little sample

930
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: size and you get turnovers and ups your rating and stuff.

931
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: And I think there was a bad play there that

932
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: people just completely ignore. And it was a huge play

933
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: in that fourth quarter against Baltimore when Bateman got down

934
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: the sideline. Stephen Carmel, New York, just wanted to say

935
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: how nice it was to meet Paul and Mike on

936
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: Monday morning at the Hall. You really turned around a

937
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 1: doom and gloom weekend at Gillette. By the way, I

938
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,879
Speaker 1: will continue to tell my wife that we met two

939
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: extremely famous and important people in the Patriots organization. I

940
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: emailed yesterday, but I guess Fred couldn't get to it.

941
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: Thank you, he said it to us on Monday. Thank

942
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 1: you all for what you do. One Patriots question, what

943
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: do you feel is in the best interest of the

944
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: team to rush back mac back when he's not one

945
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: hundred percent but can play so we can save the

946
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: season If things they're not going well for Horrier, that's astroyer,

947
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: or let him sit out at least completely healed, and

948
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 1: the season at that point may already be lost. I

949
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: just I don't think you can rush him back. That

950
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: just doesn't make any sense to me at all that

951
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: you would rush somebody back, and you know, and then

952
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: he's got to go out there and perform, and and

953
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: his performance is on him if he plays. When you're

954
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: dealing with Brady, it's fair to say, boy, you know,

955
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: a Brady at seventy five percent is better than a

956
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: one hundred percent Hoyer. I'm not sure that's the same

957
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: with Mac. No, I mean, with with confidence and pocket

958
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 1: issues and protection issues and free rushers. I mean, yeah,

959
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: I'm not thinking about how much Mac has had to run. Yeah,

960
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: you take that away. I'm in the middle of Yeah,

961
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 1: I'm in the middle of those two scenarios. I don't

962
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: want to wait until he's fully one hundred percent, But

963
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to rush him back either. Sure, um, yeah,

964
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: you guys are right. I mean I think that he

965
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: would be. I don't think there's a huge gap. I

966
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: just I mean, people are gonna look at that as

967
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: I'm bashing Mac Jones. I just I just don't think

968
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: there's a huge gap. This is not like Brady in

969
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: a backup quarterback, well Rogers in a backup Mac Jones.

970
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,760
Speaker 1: So Mike Lombardi's diatribe, there has been kind of struggling.

971
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: He's second to last in the ratings right now. I

972
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: know the quarterback ranking rating is not the be all,

973
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 1: end all statistic, but he hasn't played great. He's turned

974
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: the ball over too many times. Locke from Adelaide. I

975
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: wanted to get your thoughts on the questions below and

976
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: then the same questions. But hypothetically, if you were a

977
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick or b Robert Kraft with Max's injury impacting

978
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: the team, what would you deem a successful twenty two

979
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: twenty three season. It doesn't necessarily have to be win

980
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 1: loss record. It could be a player of coach development

981
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: playing really good football at the end of the season.

982
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: Just that you know, I don't know what the win

983
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,240
Speaker 1: loss is kind of ore, but like if it feels

984
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: like their end of the season playing their best football

985
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 1: and feeling like there was a progression and they got

986
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 1: better as a team and some playmakers started the standout,

987
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: I'll take a seven eight, you know, those kind of

988
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: win seasons. If if that's what it happens, I just

989
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: wind their best. I just don't want to see them

990
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 1: file their faces. Really good season. Ten wins, ten wins, Yeah,

991
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: I think ten wins to me is the benchmark for

992
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: for a good season like last year. But what if

993
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: you win ten in a row and you'll lose your

994
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: last seven? Okay, what about this extreme example Paul? Right,

995
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: even I don't do those, you know, it's it's but

996
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: I'm kind of with Duce, like, let me show me development,

997
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: show me what they're doing at the end, especially with

998
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: their schedule this year where they're playing the better teams

999
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: at the end, right, how do they match up? I mean,

1000
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 1: do they you know? And it's a little bit of

1001
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: fools gold potential because you know, what's that last game

1002
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: against Buffalo gonna actually look like? Is that is that

1003
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: a game for anything? There's Buffalo playing backups in that game.

1004
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: But still, I think what you've seen the last three

1005
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,760
Speaker 1: years is a team that starts really good and seems

1006
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: like they're they're wow, all right, and then they just

1007
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: kind of fall apart down the end. And you know,

1008
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: I think if everything that's kind of got me shook,

1009
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 1: that that's been the consistent thing of of those three seasons.

1010
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: So just like to see them turn around and start

1011
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: to you know, leave something where we're going into the

1012
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: offseason saying I'm excited. We got some things to build

1013
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: around taking a quarterback out of the equation. How many

1014
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 1: good players are a future Patriots squad missing from becoming

1015
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: a super Bowl contender? Again, M that's quite a few.

1016
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: That's hard to do, like taking the quarterback out of

1017
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: the equation, Yeah, because because you could theoretically just have

1018
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: the quarterback in some situations and be, you know, a

1019
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: contender or at least, you know, I have a guy

1020
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: that's good enough to make you in every single time.

1021
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: You know, like with an average quarterback, there are three

1022
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: studs away, right, you know, like a rusher, cornerback, and

1023
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. That sounds good, you know, yeah, I'd

1024
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: take that. I think you need more than that probably, well,

1025
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: just just an average quarterback, Yeah that's all. Yeah, I

1026
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 1: think you need I think you need a lead all

1027
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,439
Speaker 1: around with just an average quarterback. Um, how long would

1028
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: you be willing to accept the Patriots are from this moment?

1029
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 1: How long are you willing to accept that the Patriots

1030
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: are from this moment to becoming super Bowl contenders? I

1031
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: don't so. How long from now are you willing to

1032
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:14,919
Speaker 1: wait for them to be a super Bowl contender? Two years?

1033
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: I have to like decipher all thank you for two

1034
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: years to like this year, next year and then twenty

1035
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: twenty four there. Yeah, after next year, I want them

1036
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: to be contenders. Then one you're gonna give them health,

1037
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: you know what for Then I'm gonna yeah, my my

1038
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: expectation bar goes up. After next year. Yeah, I would

1039
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: say that's yeah, Mac, I mean Mac year three, year four,

1040
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, five those I mean yeah, you're six.

1041
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: You're not gonna I mean you could be like Detra

1042
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: twice and have the year six jem or six jump.

1043
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: Uh there's another question. But guess what Evans back from practice?

1044
00:49:51,840 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: Evans Evan, Evan, All right, Evan, spotlights on. You put

1045
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: your mic on it. Okay, I had that song stuck

1046
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: in my head last night. It was bad. Jill you

1047
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: gotta you gottat. Can we redub that one? Get get

1048
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: an actually even too much? Or maybe we get a

1049
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: new one. I don't know. Yeah, so it was Mack

1050
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 1: at practice. He was not at practice. What no Mac Jones,

1051
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: no Lawrence Guy and a new absence today No Yadney

1052
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: could juice either could just could just correct myself, could

1053
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: just could just so That means Marcus Cannon that's the

1054
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Speaker 1: they got some good players. I mean, get a little

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Speaker 1: Patriots offensive line has looked a lot better last two weeks,

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Speaker 1: i'd say than week one, but Isaiah wins one spot

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Speaker 1: because he, yeah, he's a he's a game wrecker. Shells today,

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Speaker 1: Shells yes, Okay. What what are they different on the

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Speaker 1: So at what point in time do things that the

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Speaker 1: point of the thing that we were talking about, Yes,

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Speaker 1: I think it's like you're afraid to find out something

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Speaker 1: good about Mac. What what am I like? I'd like

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Speaker 1: so now you want to compare them to everybody, right,

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Speaker 1: I just want to know if those numbers, well, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to compare all those numbers to everybody there. He's

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Speaker 1: But I'd like to know what this is. Okay, but

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Speaker 1: want to know but when we talk about all the

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Speaker 1: other stuff this, when did I say that, oh, those

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Speaker 1: aren't good numbers. We talked about him yesterday and we

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Speaker 1: said those aren't good what all the all the you know,

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Speaker 1: I mentioned yesterday was I didn't think Houston blitzed a lot.

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Speaker 1: And you just told me. The guy said he flits

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Speaker 1: five times, So I was right. I didn't think Houston

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Speaker 1: blitzed a lot in the game. Okay, they didn't, but

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Speaker 1: that now you're changing the goalpost. I'm not changing any

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Speaker 1: goal posts. You read off his numbers against the blitz, right,

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Speaker 1: sixty attempts for three hundred and fifty yards. I said,

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Speaker 1: those aren't great numbers. I don't know if they are.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you it's not. So you know what the numbers.

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Speaker 1: I don't care what anybody else does. Three hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty yards on sixty attempts is not against the blitz.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to know what the averages are. I'm just

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Speaker 1: telling you it's not good for mac Jones. That's all

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Speaker 1: you need to another. No one has been blitzed as

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Speaker 1: much as he has. Okay, but right becauldn't he say

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Speaker 1: that no one got listen Jones. Yeah, so he got

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Speaker 1: blitzed sixty five times. The next guy might have been

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Speaker 1: one more thing, Fred too. As I texted you guys,

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Speaker 1: I was also watching yesterday CNN's John Burman was down

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Speaker 1: he emailed her and said he loves the show. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so another another famous PU fan. Yeah, yeah, who's the

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the street like keeting, blown around

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Speaker 1: like God bless him. But uh, yeah, it's nice. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, you know, but we've had some very famous

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Speaker 1: people listening to the show. Uh what's her name, Mary McCormick. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that's right. From In Plane Sight. We've had

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Speaker 1: we've had writers, TV writers, movie script writers listening. Burman's

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Speaker 1: a big Patriots fan, follows me on Twitter. Yep. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just confirmed that falls yep. So he must be

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Speaker 1: excited too. Yeah, that's great man. Not that Bourmon though, yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right if I five. He's a big Patriots fan

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Speaker 1: too though, really Chris big Bill fan? Yeah? Huge? I

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Speaker 1: thought he was a Bills fan. He likes the Bills too, nobody.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the phones. People are hanging

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Speaker 1: on Williams and Philam, what's up William? What's going on? Fred?

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Speaker 1: How are you doing good? Okay? Um, I'm gonna trying

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Speaker 1: to How long do I have for It depends on

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Speaker 1: what you're saying. If it's good, we'll keep you talking.

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Speaker 1: If you got I don't cut you hurry. Yeah all right,

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Speaker 1: well all right, I'm gonna start with this one. First,

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Speaker 1: to Evan Evans Ar you don't know me or nothing

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Speaker 1: like that, but you know I sent out a couple

1441
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Speaker 1: of tweets to you when I just want you to

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Speaker 1: love that man, so um, thank you once you know

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Speaker 1: I'm a fan of that. Thank you problem. All right, Um,

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Speaker 1: We've gotta start with this this to the Patriot fans.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy, how y'all. A lot of some of you

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Speaker 1: Patrio fans. You you little shady a little bit. You

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Speaker 1: was around high with Mike. I'm sorry with mac Jones.

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Speaker 1: But this year, because you know, you know, he's learning

1451
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Speaker 1: a new scheme. He has no really no offensive coordineer,

1452
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And give him a break,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'm not saying that he

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Speaker 1: ain't as far as some things, you know, as far

1455
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Speaker 1: as the interceptions, I mean those bonehead and interceptions. But

1456
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Speaker 1: give him a break, y'all. You know what I mean.

1457
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 1: Like he's up on it, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Don't don't abandon him just like that. No, don't count

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Speaker 1: them out just yet. And last, but not least, Bill

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Speaker 1: just ate nineteen ninety two, you can start. You know

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Speaker 1: gotta look, you gotta put players around Matt, you know

1464
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:55,720
Speaker 1: what I mean. Better talent. Money ain't for god. Used

1465
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:58,360
Speaker 1: the tight ends, y'all. Pay these guys a lot of money,

1466
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:01,640
Speaker 1: used them, you know what I'm And I'll leave it

1467
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:06,680
Speaker 1: at dead gentlemen. All right, thanks William. Yeah, what do

1468
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:08,719
Speaker 1: you think we'll see a little bit more Hunter Henry

1469
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 1: in this game? Perhaps? Perhaps? I mean it could look

1470
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:13,640
Speaker 1: a little different with Hoyer. I mean, you never know,

1471
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 1: but I find it striking, just as like a level production.

1472
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 1: The Packers defense has a weakness. What is it? It's

1473
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 1: their run defense still, Yeah, I mean, I'm not sure

1474
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 1: the numbers are as accurate as as we kind of

1475
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:28,600
Speaker 1: talked about before the break, But if you had to

1476
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 1: do anything against his Packers defense side run the football. Yeah,

1477
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:34,320
Speaker 1: but it's like I feel like you feel the same,

1478
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 1: where like you look at the individual guys and you're like,

1479
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 1: you don't look like easy to run on. He don't

1480
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 1: look like he's easy to run on. But like, yeah,

1481
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:41,439
Speaker 1: I guess, I don't know. I didn't really watch much

1482
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:45,560
Speaker 1: of the of the Bears game. Was that some of it,

1483
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 1: you know, Herbert, I try to split the runs where

1484
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:52,360
Speaker 1: Justin Fields makes an impact, right, because some of the

1485
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:56,000
Speaker 1: time it wasn't all like read option necessarily, but when

1486
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:58,799
Speaker 1: he bootlegs, like obviously they have to have a contained

1487
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 1: guy on the backside when he bootlegs, because he can

1488
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 1: keep the ball and run out the backside with it.

1489
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 1: So is Brian Hoyer gonna draw a defender like Justin

1490
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 1: Fields does? Probably not. But some of the things that

1491
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 1: they were doing that I thought the Patriots could mimic

1492
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 1: were tossing the ball outside of David Montgomery on some

1493
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 1: of those crack toss plays or sweet plays. They also

1494
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:20,680
Speaker 1: got downhill a little bit on the Packers defense, but

1495
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 1: I would try to run away from guys like Kenny

1496
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 1: Clark and Rashan gary Ron, away from everybody, just throw

1497
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:27,720
Speaker 1: it to the outside. And we were talking about the

1498
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:29,760
Speaker 1: two high stuff that they've been doing as well, so

1499
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 1: that doesn't give them as much help or kind of

1500
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 1: those forced defenders on the outside to push it back inside.

1501
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 1: So it was like another big flat pass game. Can

1502
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 1: I just change the subject real quick so I can

1503
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:44,880
Speaker 1: make an apology? Okay, did I call Doc Flinn a

1504
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 1: hack yesterday? Yes? Okay, I want to apologize for that

1505
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 1: because I didn't mean anything to do with her as

1506
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:52,280
Speaker 1: a doctor. Okay, Like I see you on Twitter to

1507
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 1: someone who's doing their thing with ay, send the other

1508
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 1: person the thing. So I'm getting tattled on to Doc Flint.

1509
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 1: I've never even met, uh, doctor Flynn. So this is

1510
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:06,800
Speaker 1: like when I was talking about the injuries. I don't

1511
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 1: necessarily care with someone who's not treating a person, and

1512
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 1: I think she's pretty clear with that right that she's not.

1513
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 1: So I don't, like, I want to apologize for using

1514
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:16,680
Speaker 1: the word hack because that's not what I meant, and

1515
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,720
Speaker 1: I said it, I'll own it and apologize for it.

1516
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:22,560
Speaker 1: But that's I wasn't. Yeah, nothing you'd also do with

1517
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 1: her ability to you know, to administer medicine and as

1518
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:29,760
Speaker 1: a doctor, like, nothing to do with that. So it

1519
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:31,680
Speaker 1: was I told you not to tell on I just

1520
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 1: I just want to be clear that I'm apologizing for

1521
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:38,439
Speaker 1: using the word hack. Let's go to David and Maryland. David,

1522
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 1: are you a hack? I certainly hope. Okay, So I'm

1523
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 1: one quick note and then a question. And so I

1524
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:49,840
Speaker 1: flew up from Ledge in the past game, big fat fan.

1525
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 1: I brought my seventy year old Ravens fan loving dad

1526
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 1: and there was this first NFL game ever, and I'm

1527
01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 1: glad I'll be able to crust it up the bucket list,

1528
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 1: but I was tempted to leave them there after the game.

1529
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 1: My question is pertaining to the special teams do you think.

1530
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:10,240
Speaker 1: I guess the Patriot as an organization and coach Belichech

1531
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 1: really values having those star works one special teams. I

1532
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:17,280
Speaker 1: obviously Slater is one I think of, um, Cody Davis

1533
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 1: has been a while for a while. I think Joe

1534
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:21,920
Speaker 1: Cardona has been the longest napper for some years. Just

1535
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:24,519
Speaker 1: having those star works that even though office and defense

1536
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:27,719
Speaker 1: there's a lot of turnover having those special teams people

1537
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 1: in place over the years. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I

1538
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:33,680
Speaker 1: think it's clearer. There's no doubt they value it as much,

1539
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:35,840
Speaker 1: if not more than I think any team in the league.

1540
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:37,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think the unfortunate thing is you

1541
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:40,160
Speaker 1: were getting a lot of plays, especially back in like nineteen,

1542
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:43,599
Speaker 1: game changing positive plays. In the last couple of years

1543
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:45,880
Speaker 1: it's been some game change negatively. No, I wonder if

1544
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:51,560
Speaker 1: like they've actually got data behind you know, having you know,

1545
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:55,519
Speaker 1: the handful of guys you can depend on on your

1546
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 1: roster for special teams overways having those guys that you

1547
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 1: know play offense defense at the low end of the roster,

1548
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:05,479
Speaker 1: like there's data that supports that. I wonder. I think too,

1549
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 1: there's probably a deep dive that people don't really do

1550
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:11,160
Speaker 1: where like they seem to specifically get really good gunners,

1551
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 1: and they specifically want to make sure that the personal

1552
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 1: protector on the punt team is a guy that they

1553
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:18,639
Speaker 1: trust and know what they're doing. But beyond that, I'd

1554
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:22,599
Speaker 1: be curious what the problem is. Lately they've been making

1555
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 1: mistakes in special teams. It hasn't been as solid as

1556
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:27,240
Speaker 1: it's been in the past. It set like last weekend.

1557
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 1: The return last weekend is you know, I mean that

1558
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 1: I think things might have gotten a little skewed by

1559
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 1: in nineteen or would they block like three or four

1560
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 1: punts for the recover for touchdowns? And then Gunner Olschski

1561
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 1: went off on like three or four games and was

1562
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:41,479
Speaker 1: suddenly one of those things. It's like when you complete,

1563
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:43,840
Speaker 1: you know, four thirty yard passes in the same game,

1564
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:46,599
Speaker 1: it kind of skews your yards per play. I see

1565
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:48,720
Speaker 1: what you did there in a three game span. Really

1566
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:52,679
Speaker 1: good special teams matchup. Rich Boss, the special teams coordinator

1567
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:55,160
Speaker 1: for the Packers, was the interim coach for the Raiders

1568
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 1: last year. He's a very very good special teams coordinator

1569
01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:01,679
Speaker 1: and was a good head interim head coach for Vegas

1570
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 1: ye special teams for a train wreck last year and

1571
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 1: ended up ultimately costing them the season. Yeah, so the

1572
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 1: Packers right now, I think Belichick said it three or

1573
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 1: four times at the press conference. Yes, are a number

1574
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 1: one in the league in field position. They have the

1575
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 1: best starting field position, the best opponents starting field position,

1576
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:19,720
Speaker 1: because they don't turn the ball over and they play

1577
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:23,479
Speaker 1: well and special teams. So I think to your point

1578
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 1: about why did the Patriots value special teams so much

1579
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 1: is because they want to make opponents drive eighty yards

1580
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:32,599
Speaker 1: every single time they touch the ball. Now, the turnovers

1581
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 1: have not really played so well into that lately, but

1582
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:38,679
Speaker 1: that's the goal, is to make the opponent drive the field.

1583
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 1: Even when you have to punt, you'd still making them

1584
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:44,120
Speaker 1: drive the field so that you aren't giving up easy

1585
01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 1: touchdowns in your territory. And those are funny to me,

1586
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:50,560
Speaker 1: because thanks David, I think you can. I mean, I

1587
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:53,479
Speaker 1: think anybody that goes into a season any football coaches says,

1588
01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:55,760
Speaker 1: I don't really care about the Mike March thing. Remember

1589
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:59,000
Speaker 1: Mike maybe spend more time. Marks famously didn't care about

1590
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:02,479
Speaker 1: special teams, right. I mean, anybody that does that is

1591
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 1: is really doing his team with disservice. I mean obviously

1592
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:08,759
Speaker 1: you have to take every element of football very seriously.

1593
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 1: The question is do you have to devote the resources

1594
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 1: that the Patriots typically have over the years in order

1595
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 1: to have good special teams? Yeah? I wish someone would

1596
01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 1: do a study on like, okay, other teams that are

1597
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:25,040
Speaker 1: really good on special teams? Do they all have seven

1598
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 1: eight nine year veterans that are making like two million

1599
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:32,920
Speaker 1: a year serving as you know, the the L four

1600
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:36,040
Speaker 1: on the kickoff team? Or do other teams just have

1601
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 1: you know this, this sixth round rookie defensive back goes

1602
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:42,680
Speaker 1: down and covers punts because he doesn't have a role

1603
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 1: on defense. Maybe Bill thinks the better guys I have

1604
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 1: on special teams, the less time I have to think

1605
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:49,599
Speaker 1: about it. I also think, but that's what I'm asking.

1606
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 1: Are those guys better that they? Yeah? Then who that

1607
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 1: this is what I'm asking? But like, but like, who

1608
01:19:57,520 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 1: is what I'm asking? Like Matthew Slayter is is better?

1609
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 1: Like was Gerard Cherry better than everybody else? No? But

1610
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:05,840
Speaker 1: what's his name? Was Nate Edner better than everybody else?

1611
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:08,000
Speaker 1: He was really good? Like? Well, how do you know?

1612
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 1: This is what I'm asking? Because of the results specialty Okay, well,

1613
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:15,559
Speaker 1: I think Mike just explain to you that the results

1614
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:18,320
Speaker 1: haven't always been good. Well lately they haven't. I said

1615
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 1: that myself. But over over the dynasty they were good.

1616
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 1: They had really good special teams. But I think the

1617
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 1: Fred's original point, would you rather have on this team

1618
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 1: right now Trey Nixon on the fifty three man roster

1619
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 1: versus Cody Davis or versus Brandon Schooler who looks like

1620
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:38,800
Speaker 1: a good, young, up and coming special teams guy, and

1621
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:40,920
Speaker 1: maybe they can turn it over to when Matthew Slater

1622
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:44,439
Speaker 1: retires or Cody Davis retires. I just don't know if

1623
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 1: it's were I feel like everybody argues about this that

1624
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:49,280
Speaker 1: the Patriots have too many special teams on these guys,

1625
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:51,600
Speaker 1: but it's like who would be taking their spot on

1626
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:55,479
Speaker 1: the roster. It's not like we're saying that they're keeping

1627
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 1: Matthew Slater and not trading for Davante Adams right like

1628
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:01,920
Speaker 1: they're they're keeping Matthew Slater over guys that are now

1629
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 1: probably on their practice squad anyways. So I'm not sure

1630
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 1: where that if he's the fifty second guy, is the

1631
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:10,920
Speaker 1: guy they are going to replace him with really that good?

1632
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 1: That it's such and I wonder if they've like actually

1633
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 1: deep dived into that with data, and I would even well,

1634
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:19,679
Speaker 1: I have actually had conversations with some people about this stuff,

1635
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:22,960
Speaker 1: some people and mak Nope people in the organization, and

1636
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:27,720
Speaker 1: it's definitely a conflict of philosophy. Yeah, really all right,

1637
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:30,599
Speaker 1: But to you a point like I don't mind necessarily

1638
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 1: a Brandon Schooler. I mind more of the Cody Davis's

1639
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:40,040
Speaker 1: um you know, when the Brandon Kings, you know, and

1640
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:42,840
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be like Trey Nixon. I mean

1641
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:46,320
Speaker 1: it could be you know, it could be anybody like well,

1642
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:48,000
Speaker 1: I think like the way we've talked about this a

1643
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:49,800
Speaker 1: lot over the years, which is just giving guys that

1644
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 1: more of a chance to play, and guys that you know,

1645
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:53,800
Speaker 1: like like Anthony Jennings or you know, seen with like

1646
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:56,439
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Mitchell. This year he's getting the chance on special teams.

1647
01:21:56,439 --> 01:21:58,200
Speaker 1: So like, I think that's in the positive for us,

1648
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:02,799
Speaker 1: goes to me be your special teamers. Yeahs undrafted rookies

1649
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:05,720
Speaker 1: like blow right, like developing Josh Bloods and in three

1650
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 1: years the Brendon Schooler or DeMarcus Mitchell do not figure

1651
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 1: to factor in ever on defense. I don't want them

1652
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 1: becoming six year guys. I want the new Brendon schooler

1653
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:18,760
Speaker 1: to come in who maybe three years later, can be

1654
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:21,800
Speaker 1: the third safety. Yeah on a rookie contract, right, yeah?

1655
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:25,519
Speaker 1: So how long to wrap up the special team's portion

1656
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 1: of the show? How long? What I mean? And I

1657
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:29,519
Speaker 1: don't have I don't have specifics, you know me? Yeah, no,

1658
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 1: that's fair. How long does the Miles Briant thing as

1659
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:35,400
Speaker 1: point returner last before we see Marcus Jones? Because it's

1660
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:37,560
Speaker 1: it's starting to get to the point where, you know,

1661
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 1: let's let the guy that was an All American returner

1662
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:43,320
Speaker 1: in college that you drafted in the third round, Well,

1663
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:45,640
Speaker 1: but I just return. What's going on in practice? Is

1664
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones, like, you know, bobbling it all over the

1665
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 1: place practice? Yeah, well, maybe bobbling it anymore than Miles

1666
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:55,040
Speaker 1: Brian games. Maybe he could, and that's why he's not

1667
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:56,920
Speaker 1: out there. It's like, I don't know, It's like guy

1668
01:22:56,960 --> 01:23:00,360
Speaker 1: who fumbles doesn't play Bill versus rookies don't really play Bill.

1669
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 1: And they're kind of like right now they're Batton heads.

1670
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we're all a surprise that Miles

1671
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:07,080
Speaker 1: Bryant's continue to get shots you know that they haven't.

1672
01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:09,400
Speaker 1: I mean, at least turn at the Peppers or somebody,

1673
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 1: you know, like one of them. I mean, if you

1674
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:15,040
Speaker 1: don't want to go with Marcus Jones, there's another option. Yeah. Yeah,

1675
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:18,240
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones did tell me that the biggest difference to

1676
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:22,680
Speaker 1: him between college and pros fielding punts is that the

1677
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:26,320
Speaker 1: ball actually comes down a lot faster in the pros

1678
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:27,840
Speaker 1: and in college. And I think a lot of the

1679
01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:31,800
Speaker 1: punters in college use that like AUSI rugby style punt,

1680
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 1: which is more of a line drive, whereas with Jake

1681
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 1: Bailey and the NFL punters, it's a straight, you know,

1682
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:39,840
Speaker 1: up and down type shot and the ball comes down

1683
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:42,679
Speaker 1: a lot faster than it. Never thought of it that way,

1684
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:46,720
Speaker 1: I always because I always have seen guys that are

1685
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 1: great returners in college, and you're always like, it's because

1686
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 1: they get in line drives kicked right to them, which

1687
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 1: is very returned. How many times you say this one's returnable.

1688
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 1: You never see those fans of kicks in the pros

1689
01:23:57,479 --> 01:24:00,800
Speaker 1: like they never kicked the line drives. I mean, rare,

1690
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:04,120
Speaker 1: rare exception where a guy mishits one. I never thought

1691
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:06,920
Speaker 1: of the actual velocity of the ball. Yes. I thought

1692
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 1: it was a really interesting answer because I figured he

1693
01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 1: would say, oh, the gunners get down there faster, or

1694
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:14,720
Speaker 1: the play just happens faster in general, or whatever. But no,

1695
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:16,479
Speaker 1: the first thing out of his mouth was about the

1696
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:19,519
Speaker 1: apex of the ball and how much harder Maybee having

1697
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 1: trouble catching it in practice. To me, I don't know,

1698
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:24,000
Speaker 1: too high. I didn't expect it to be that high

1699
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 1: and come down that fast. It's gonna take a few months. Sneak, sneaky,

1700
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, like I just come out and say it.

1701
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:33,000
Speaker 1: You just come out and say it. He skirts around

1702
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:35,800
Speaker 1: the corner. I want to see Marcus Jones. Yeah, Yeah,

1703
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:38,320
Speaker 1: me too too. I mean I wanted to see Dugger

1704
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:40,240
Speaker 1: return kicks for like three years. They finally did and

1705
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 1: he hurt himself. Andy and Cleveland. I'm an athletic trainer

1706
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:47,799
Speaker 1: and physical therapist. I was at a football medical conference

1707
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:50,800
Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen in Boston where Bill Belichick was the

1708
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:55,280
Speaker 1: keynote speaker and then San Diego Charger head team physician

1709
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:58,920
Speaker 1: mentioned that basically every single player will demand a second

1710
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 1: opinion as soon as they get hurt. He mentioned this

1711
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 1: is mostly driven by the agents. He noted one anecdote

1712
01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 1: where he got a call from a player's agent saying

1713
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 1: that they wanted a second opinion, and the doctor had

1714
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:12,880
Speaker 1: to tell him, I haven't given you a first opinion yet.

1715
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:16,640
Speaker 1: This is basically standard procedure, and we shouldn't infer a

1716
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:19,080
Speaker 1: lot out of it when someone gets a second opinion.

1717
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 1: There are probably sometimes where there is a lack of trust,

1718
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:25,519
Speaker 1: sometimes where it is patient doing due diligence before a

1719
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:28,200
Speaker 1: major medical decision, like Fred and his kid with the

1720
01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 1: hard issue, or the agent positioning for a later injury settlement,

1721
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 1: or diluting the narrative that his player is injury prone. Yeah,

1722
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 1: I mean I didn't. I mean personally I didn't. I

1723
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:41,760
Speaker 1: didn't read a lot into the second opinion. But the

1724
01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:44,160
Speaker 1: wishy washiness of back and forth of what's going on

1725
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:46,320
Speaker 1: with him right now? That No, that's what That's what's

1726
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:48,519
Speaker 1: bump to me. It's less about second opinions and more

1727
01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 1: about surgery or No, that's what I'm concerned. That's what

1728
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:53,800
Speaker 1: I'm interested in, not concerned about. I'm interested in whether

1729
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:59,400
Speaker 1: or not he has surgery. What's that surgery? Like the Yeah,

1730
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:02,559
Speaker 1: I watched YouTube video about it last night because I'm

1731
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 1: just curious to learn more about what exactly it is,

1732
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 1: because it's like this latted surgery or whatever, and we

1733
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 1: kept what do we bring in information on what do

1734
01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:13,760
Speaker 1: we do? It literally looks like something out of like

1735
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 1: Rambo or something that like some action hero movie star

1736
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:20,000
Speaker 1: would do because he like, you know, his ankle got

1737
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:22,000
Speaker 1: like dislocated in the middle of a battle and he

1738
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:24,240
Speaker 1: had to just pop it back with like a bowie knife.

1739
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 1: It's just where do they like they is it just

1740
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:31,760
Speaker 1: a small kind of cut and they go in and

1741
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 1: to come Yeah, well it's it's mainly just like the

1742
01:26:34,479 --> 01:26:37,160
Speaker 1: the tight literally tight rope right like it's it's the

1743
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:39,439
Speaker 1: way that they like they basically pulled the tendons in

1744
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:43,880
Speaker 1: your ankle back together essentially. And I think the biggest

1745
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 1: thing is about it that some doctors and this is

1746
01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:51,360
Speaker 1: not me talking, this is me reading up on this surgery,

1747
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:54,479
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of an odd you know, at

1748
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 1: odds in the medical community because some people and Alabama

1749
01:26:58,120 --> 01:27:01,719
Speaker 1: is notorious for rushing guys back from injuries. Some people

1750
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:05,200
Speaker 1: think that it makes you come back faster, but it

1751
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:08,599
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily heal you faster. So that's how David Chow,

1752
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:12,599
Speaker 1: the former Chargers doctor, described it this morning in the story. Yeah,

1753
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:15,600
Speaker 1: so it's one of those things where it's, yes, he

1754
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 1: could technically get back on the field faster, but for

1755
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:21,200
Speaker 1: his long term health it might not be what's in

1756
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:24,600
Speaker 1: his wondering about. And that's what I said, like, you know,

1757
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 1: like I understand like people are like just they just

1758
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:30,439
Speaker 1: use these things. So that means that, you know, this

1759
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:33,680
Speaker 1: is what everybody should do. Tuh had an opportunity to

1760
01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:36,920
Speaker 1: have surgery and be back in time for the National Championship,

1761
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:40,720
Speaker 1: and he did it. He also ended up getting hurt again,

1762
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:43,040
Speaker 1: and there's a there's definitely and I don't know if

1763
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 1: this is fact, this is speculation, but there's definitely a

1764
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:51,519
Speaker 1: line of thought that the injury that he ended up suffering,

1765
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:54,320
Speaker 1: the ankle injury, he ended up suffering an ankle injury

1766
01:27:54,360 --> 01:27:56,400
Speaker 1: again that they think may have been related to why

1767
01:27:56,439 --> 01:28:00,600
Speaker 1: he hurt his hip the following year. Yeah, yeah, I

1768
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:03,640
Speaker 1: get off kilter. I don't know if that's fact, but

1769
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:07,479
Speaker 1: if I'm Mac Jones, I want to get as much

1770
01:28:07,479 --> 01:28:10,120
Speaker 1: information about that stuff as I can because if I

1771
01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 1: have an injury that doesn't require surgery for one, healing

1772
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:17,080
Speaker 1: I don't just want to dive into it because I

1773
01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:19,439
Speaker 1: can get back in two weeks instead of three, especially

1774
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:21,800
Speaker 1: one that's named after a very small margin for error.

1775
01:28:24,439 --> 01:28:29,120
Speaker 1: It's Alabama is notorious for this, for drilling into their

1776
01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:31,839
Speaker 1: players heads that you come back as quickly as possible.

1777
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 1: Like I think it was Jalen Waddle maybe who played

1778
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:39,240
Speaker 1: on like a ruptured achilles in like the National Championship game. Yes,

1779
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:43,720
Speaker 1: he literally went out there on achilles tear and a

1780
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:47,840
Speaker 1: skating on thin ice surgery. Yeah, yeah, so they just

1781
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:51,479
Speaker 1: rush guys back. Georgia does the same thing with Kirby Smart,

1782
01:28:51,479 --> 01:28:54,240
Speaker 1: who's one of those programs have in common? Yea, Yeah,

1783
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 1: you got a list of guys over here that can

1784
01:28:57,080 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 1: take your job that there every bit as talented as

1785
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 1: you are. Yeah yeah, why do you think they want

1786
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:05,680
Speaker 1: to do it? Yeah, he's a player. No, if you're

1787
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:08,120
Speaker 1: if you're I mean, just think about like what we know.

1788
01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:10,400
Speaker 1: I know. So if you're Jalen Hurts and in in

1789
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:14,320
Speaker 1: In Tuah and Mac Jones, like you guys are at

1790
01:29:14,360 --> 01:29:16,320
Speaker 1: practice every day together, you know that all three of

1791
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:19,519
Speaker 1: you guys can play. You're not stupid. You might think

1792
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:21,840
Speaker 1: you're the best of the three and Hurts might think

1793
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:25,639
Speaker 1: he's the best or whatever. But if I'm tuah, I'm

1794
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:27,559
Speaker 1: not going to give you a three game look at

1795
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:30,120
Speaker 1: that guy, so you can see, huh, he's as good

1796
01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:31,800
Speaker 1: as I. I mean, he might do that better than

1797
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:35,479
Speaker 1: I do. Like that's why there's there's probably more desperation

1798
01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:38,479
Speaker 1: to get back in college. Yeah, because you got to

1799
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:41,680
Speaker 1: get to the pros and make your money. Yeah, I'll

1800
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:44,320
Speaker 1: never forget Jalen Waddle. That was crazy, just like you

1801
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:46,280
Speaker 1: see him mat there, but he's actually gonna play. He's

1802
01:29:46,280 --> 01:29:49,080
Speaker 1: still and he's still fast. That's pretty fast. Well, the

1803
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:52,120
Speaker 1: pickets guy came back and played in the off the

1804
01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:55,680
Speaker 1: town ACL. Right, he played in the National champions like

1805
01:29:55,800 --> 01:30:01,280
Speaker 1: five months recovery, Yeah, all right, Well he actually played

1806
01:30:01,320 --> 01:30:03,720
Speaker 1: the game with a town ACL pickings towards ACL and

1807
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:06,040
Speaker 1: like the spring and came back. Was it five months?

1808
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:08,160
Speaker 1: I think it's five months. He came back and played

1809
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:13,000
Speaker 1: in the National Championship game. Crazy, Eldred's in North Carolina spring,

1810
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:18,920
Speaker 1: there's probably August. Hey, fella's how y'all doing to day? Good? Good? Yeah,

1811
01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:21,680
Speaker 1: I was listening to y'all earlier about your discussion and

1812
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:26,880
Speaker 1: Paul and Fred hilarious. Oh that was that was an

1813
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:29,960
Speaker 1: old which you say you had to pay somebody. That's

1814
01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:32,360
Speaker 1: the problem with Bill. You don't want to pay somebody

1815
01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:35,439
Speaker 1: except this guy. That's the problem I have with him,

1816
01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:38,559
Speaker 1: because you made a good point. If Thordan turned out

1817
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:40,439
Speaker 1: to be that receiver that you always wanted and we

1818
01:30:40,640 --> 01:30:42,960
Speaker 1: need it, and you let him walk after four years,

1819
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:45,160
Speaker 1: they can get another one in the draft. Okay, he's

1820
01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:48,240
Speaker 1: be drafting another one anyway, but he gonna take that

1821
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:53,439
Speaker 1: production right there, or Gugger or Baltimore, Baltimore or Steven Stevens.

1822
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:56,960
Speaker 1: I keep Stevens in and Harry, you know, because that's

1823
01:30:57,040 --> 01:31:00,320
Speaker 1: my my cool guy. Matt gotta have somebody if it

1824
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:04,400
Speaker 1: ain't Mad the next quarterback, you know. So that's my

1825
01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:07,639
Speaker 1: That's always been my great with feels that part right there.

1826
01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:12,000
Speaker 1: But I'm like you for Paul. If the kid need

1827
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:13,840
Speaker 1: to come back three weeks, let it be three weeks.

1828
01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:15,640
Speaker 1: If you come if you try to come back in

1829
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:18,920
Speaker 1: two and play, that's this decision too, because there ain't

1830
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:22,200
Speaker 1: nobody body but he and antybody creabley right that it

1831
01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:25,360
Speaker 1: should be his to look at it. Yeah, Well that's

1832
01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:27,639
Speaker 1: all I got. Fell You have a good one. All right, Uldred,

1833
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:36,720
Speaker 1: thank you. Well, it's that time of the week. I

1834
01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:40,240
Speaker 1: got it's now I gotta have like three different The

1835
01:31:40,280 --> 01:31:44,160
Speaker 1: girls are really screwing, y'all. Yeah, yeah, Where where's Alice?

1836
01:31:44,600 --> 01:31:46,400
Speaker 1: Do you mean the with us here against us? Where

1837
01:31:46,439 --> 01:31:49,040
Speaker 1: where's Alan? I'm sure you're not sure you're her boss?

1838
01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:54,280
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Yeah, keep putting them in track and

1839
01:31:54,439 --> 01:31:58,719
Speaker 1: tamaraw do we know anyway? She's upstairs. She's upstairs, Okay,

1840
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:01,400
Speaker 1: she doesn't want to all right. So last week, um,

1841
01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:08,880
Speaker 1: let's see, Alex and Paul went nine and seven, Fred

1842
01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:14,080
Speaker 1: went eight and eight, Mike went five and eleven. That's overall,

1843
01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:17,400
Speaker 1: it's bad, five and eleven, just winners. No spread, it's

1844
01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:20,640
Speaker 1: not great, no, no, far from great. Not good with

1845
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:24,519
Speaker 1: the spread. Paul stands at the top, is off in

1846
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:29,160
Speaker 1: the case ten and six. Good week, Uh, Alex eight

1847
01:32:29,240 --> 01:32:33,600
Speaker 1: and eight, followed by Fred at five and eleven and

1848
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:38,720
Speaker 1: Mike at four and twelve. That week. Season standings r

1849
01:32:38,760 --> 01:32:42,760
Speaker 1: AS follows um Paul twenty seven, twenty and one. A

1850
01:32:42,920 --> 01:32:45,640
Speaker 1: terrible record to be setting face with the only one

1851
01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:49,679
Speaker 1: over five. Actually, Alex in two weeks is nineteen and thirteen.

1852
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:52,120
Speaker 1: Tamaris seven eight and one. She only did one week

1853
01:32:52,720 --> 01:32:55,759
Speaker 1: Fred twenty one, twenty six and one, Mike twenty twenty

1854
01:32:55,840 --> 01:32:58,439
Speaker 1: seven and one, just picking winners. Didn't know you could

1855
01:32:58,479 --> 01:33:01,600
Speaker 1: do that with the spread. I am twenty seven and

1856
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:05,280
Speaker 1: twenty one, Alex is sixteen and sixteen, Mike is twenty

1857
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:08,120
Speaker 1: and twenty eight, and Fred is sixteen and thirty two.

1858
01:33:08,280 --> 01:33:13,160
Speaker 1: Oh my god, don't do not fatal follow Fred. Just

1859
01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:16,160
Speaker 1: just here, get away from him, not week here. I

1860
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:18,400
Speaker 1: have my feeling is gone right out of training camp.

1861
01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:20,160
Speaker 1: He has no feel for the league. So Ev, you're

1862
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:23,519
Speaker 1: gonna pick this week in the second spot, okay, so

1863
01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:25,720
Speaker 1: that Mike will go, and then you have to make

1864
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:28,479
Speaker 1: a pick. And unlike Eric Sclavino, you do not have

1865
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:34,599
Speaker 1: to give a diet tribe about pause. Yeah, thank no thesis, Yeah,

1866
01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:38,200
Speaker 1: thirty your notes right, and we picked straight up and

1867
01:33:38,240 --> 01:33:40,800
Speaker 1: against the spread. Right. So Fred often says, you know,

1868
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:43,800
Speaker 1: there's there's nothing really at stake here, so you don't

1869
01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:50,680
Speaker 1: don't worry. Just by me way in the weeks, all right.

1870
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:54,640
Speaker 1: Tonight eight fifteen on Prime Video, the three and oh

1871
01:33:54,960 --> 01:33:59,080
Speaker 1: Dolphins travel to the one and two Bengals Cincinnati by

1872
01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:02,400
Speaker 1: three and a half. Seen on the TV that the

1873
01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:06,920
Speaker 1: ta is expected to play. Um, I'm gonna take Cincinnati

1874
01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:09,439
Speaker 1: and I will lay the points. I think they'll maybe

1875
01:34:09,479 --> 01:34:13,080
Speaker 1: start to find something. I think maybe, don't listen to me.

1876
01:34:13,240 --> 01:34:16,960
Speaker 1: I'm not good. I like Cincinnati to cover Miami. A

1877
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:19,800
Speaker 1: weird week for them with the hurricane down there to

1878
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:24,040
Speaker 1: come up early unexpectedly. Yeah, I was gonna take that.

1879
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:26,080
Speaker 1: I was gonna take Cincinnati regardless, but I was gonna

1880
01:34:26,120 --> 01:34:29,120
Speaker 1: take the points. But I do think that the preparation,

1881
01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:32,439
Speaker 1: in addition to the short week, and that defense is

1882
01:34:32,439 --> 01:34:35,160
Speaker 1: going to be gassed ninety plays in that heat and

1883
01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:37,600
Speaker 1: now they have a short week. I'm gonna take the

1884
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:40,000
Speaker 1: Bengals both time. I'll take the Bengals too, but it's

1885
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:44,400
Speaker 1: against my rules. I hate the Bengals. Nine thirty in

1886
01:34:44,520 --> 01:34:49,080
Speaker 1: the morning on Sunday from London. The two and one

1887
01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:54,800
Speaker 1: Vikings are at the one and two Saints. Vikings by

1888
01:34:54,840 --> 01:34:57,760
Speaker 1: two and a half. Two and a half. Where was

1889
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:01,320
Speaker 1: this game London? No? But we are which which is it? Wembley?

1890
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:04,960
Speaker 1: I think I believe it's that affects your pick. Yes,

1891
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:10,880
Speaker 1: oh no, Minnesota, I've been there. Yeah, well, thanks for nothing.

1892
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:15,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Minnesota. I always picked them incorrectly. Um,

1893
01:35:15,200 --> 01:35:17,320
Speaker 1: but I kind of feel like the Saints are fading

1894
01:35:17,400 --> 01:35:20,439
Speaker 1: and then the shines come off. Jameis Winston. I think

1895
01:35:20,479 --> 01:35:24,880
Speaker 1: Minnesota backbones will come off. That helps too. I like

1896
01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:28,880
Speaker 1: Minnesota because nine thirty am, nobody is watching Kirk Cousins

1897
01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:33,519
Speaker 1: at that time, and nobody is watching Tuh. Yeah, I'll

1898
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:36,240
Speaker 1: take Minnesota too. I did like Annyager had one of

1899
01:35:36,280 --> 01:35:38,160
Speaker 1: those uh you know the clips that she does all

1900
01:35:38,160 --> 01:35:40,479
Speaker 1: the time, and she's like, um that she put the

1901
01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:42,760
Speaker 1: Viking show. We played it, we played at eight thirty,

1902
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:45,800
Speaker 1: and she's like a m am like that. Poe's well

1903
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:48,680
Speaker 1: for the Patriots and Thanksgiving, doesn't it His record in

1904
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:51,320
Speaker 1: prime time is terrible. Well, I'll look that up. Monday

1905
01:35:51,400 --> 01:35:53,840
Speaker 1: Night record I believe is two and eleven. I don't

1906
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:55,880
Speaker 1: know what his records generally in prime time. I know

1907
01:35:55,960 --> 01:35:58,360
Speaker 1: he won a primetime game. It's crazy how predictable it

1908
01:35:58,479 --> 01:36:00,519
Speaker 1: is too. It's like every primetime he was on what

1909
01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:02,400
Speaker 1: Thursday night or something like that Monday night I think

1910
01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:04,080
Speaker 1: it was that Monday night double header. Last day night

1911
01:36:04,120 --> 01:36:07,400
Speaker 1: they lost a Philly Yeah, and just horrible. I'm gonna

1912
01:36:07,439 --> 01:36:11,120
Speaker 1: go with the Vikings as well. One o'clock, The two

1913
01:36:11,200 --> 01:36:17,280
Speaker 1: and one Browns visit the one and two Falcons. Cleveland

1914
01:36:17,320 --> 01:36:21,599
Speaker 1: by one and a half, one and a half. I'm

1915
01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:23,519
Speaker 1: gonna go I'll go with the home dogs. I'm gonna

1916
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:28,439
Speaker 1: take Atlanta. I don't really know why, but yeah, I'll

1917
01:36:28,479 --> 01:36:31,760
Speaker 1: take Cleveland. I like their roster obviously, that's they just

1918
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:33,920
Speaker 1: need the quarterback. But the rest of that roster, well,

1919
01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:36,040
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens with Miles Garrett if he's gonna play.

1920
01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:38,639
Speaker 1: But football car still gonna take Cleveland, and I'm gonna

1921
01:36:38,680 --> 01:36:40,439
Speaker 1: take Cleveland too, for the same reason. I just think

1922
01:36:40,479 --> 01:36:42,960
Speaker 1: they're a better team. Yeah, Falcons screwed me last week.

1923
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:45,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Cleveland. Yeah, I got that one wrong.

1924
01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:49,000
Speaker 1: One o'clock the two and one Bills. They thought they

1925
01:36:49,040 --> 01:36:51,200
Speaker 1: were gonna be undefeated this season. No you did, No,

1926
01:36:51,400 --> 01:36:53,840
Speaker 1: they did. They don't care. Are at the two and

1927
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:59,720
Speaker 1: one Ravens Buffalo by three. I'm gonna take Buffalo. I

1928
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:02,320
Speaker 1: think they'll take advantage of that Baltimore secondary that I thought,

1929
01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:04,680
Speaker 1: you know, the Patriots kind of did as well, so, um,

1930
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:07,479
Speaker 1: you know, good game MVP type candidates at quarterback. But

1931
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:10,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Buffalo all later points. I'm not sure

1932
01:37:10,080 --> 01:37:12,360
Speaker 1: why this game is at one o'clock. This is two

1933
01:37:12,479 --> 01:37:16,439
Speaker 1: contenders or two MVP quarterbacks. Probably should be a primetime game.

1934
01:37:16,479 --> 01:37:19,160
Speaker 1: I also like Buffalo to bounce back in this game.

1935
01:37:21,360 --> 01:37:23,559
Speaker 1: It's a tough game for me with all those guys

1936
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:26,240
Speaker 1: that are out for Buffalo. I'm gonna take Buffalo to

1937
01:37:26,280 --> 01:37:29,840
Speaker 1: bounce back, mainly because I was not overly impressed with

1938
01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:35,040
Speaker 1: Baltimore other than m Lamar Jackson. I'll take Buffalo here.

1939
01:37:35,240 --> 01:37:39,400
Speaker 1: I think I think the overrunder for passing yards for

1940
01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:42,720
Speaker 1: Josh Allen. This game should be four fifty. I really

1941
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:46,799
Speaker 1: think so. Yeah. Um so I'm gonna take Buffalo one o'clock.

1942
01:37:47,200 --> 01:37:50,320
Speaker 1: Um the one and two Commanders are at the two

1943
01:37:50,400 --> 01:37:56,240
Speaker 1: and one Cowboys with Cooper Rush Dallas by three three

1944
01:37:56,400 --> 01:37:59,360
Speaker 1: huh Yeah, that's kind of on the who cares calling

1945
01:37:59,439 --> 01:38:01,240
Speaker 1: for me? I'm gonna go with I'll go with Dallas

1946
01:38:01,280 --> 01:38:04,880
Speaker 1: at home and Cooper Rush. I'm gonna go Dallas too.

1947
01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:07,280
Speaker 1: I think probably the best player in football in the

1948
01:38:07,320 --> 01:38:09,719
Speaker 1: first three weeks of the season, it's Michael Parsons. He's

1949
01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:12,439
Speaker 1: defensive player of the year through three weeks, if that

1950
01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:15,639
Speaker 1: means anything. Yeah, yeah, I'll take Dallas too. Been impressed

1951
01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:17,519
Speaker 1: with the way they've been able to piece it together

1952
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:20,960
Speaker 1: here and buy some time until dak is ready. I

1953
01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:23,400
Speaker 1: will take Dallas, but I'm gonna hedge that, and I'm

1954
01:38:23,400 --> 01:38:28,160
Speaker 1: gonna take the points. NFC East you never know, you know,

1955
01:38:28,360 --> 01:38:31,360
Speaker 1: sometimes they play each other tough. So I will go

1956
01:38:31,479 --> 01:38:36,479
Speaker 1: with the Commanders to cover or whatever that means. It's

1957
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:39,720
Speaker 1: one o'clock. The one and two Seahawks are at the

1958
01:38:39,880 --> 01:38:43,320
Speaker 1: one and two Lions, Detroit by four and a half.

1959
01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:45,519
Speaker 1: Four and a half. Okay, that went down a little

1960
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:48,880
Speaker 1: bit from mine. Big game for Detroit prior to come

1961
01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:51,200
Speaker 1: in here to New England. I'll take the I'll take

1962
01:38:51,240 --> 01:38:54,200
Speaker 1: the Lions at home. I like the Lions to their

1963
01:38:54,360 --> 01:38:57,120
Speaker 1: their running game has actually been pretty legit. I'll take

1964
01:38:57,160 --> 01:39:05,160
Speaker 1: the lines. This is unbelievable. I too, will take the Lions. Yeah.

1965
01:39:05,200 --> 01:39:08,639
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lay the points too. I'll take Detroit both ways. Yeah,

1966
01:39:08,840 --> 01:39:11,640
Speaker 1: I am gonna take Detroit as well. Wow. Wow, I

1967
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:14,679
Speaker 1: can't remember the last time everybody picked the Troy Hardy.

1968
01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:19,240
Speaker 1: One o'clock. The one and two Chargers are at the

1969
01:39:19,640 --> 01:39:23,600
Speaker 1: O two and one Texans, the lack by five and

1970
01:39:23,640 --> 01:39:28,000
Speaker 1: a half. Man that's an interesting game. So it seems

1971
01:39:28,040 --> 01:39:30,800
Speaker 1: like everything going wrong for the Charges right now, between

1972
01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:35,880
Speaker 1: Herbert and Bosa, but Houston just doesn't have much. I'll

1973
01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:39,599
Speaker 1: take the Charges to win, but i'll take those points.

1974
01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:44,360
Speaker 1: I think it'll be close between two kind of struggling teams. Yeah, Herbert,

1975
01:39:44,680 --> 01:39:48,400
Speaker 1: Shan Slater and Joey Bosa two guys does last two

1976
01:39:48,520 --> 01:39:50,840
Speaker 1: on injured reserve for the Chargers. That's a tough way

1977
01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:54,320
Speaker 1: to start your season. So I'm gonna go with the Chargers,

1978
01:39:54,360 --> 01:39:56,160
Speaker 1: but I like Houston to cover. Yeah, I'm gonna do

1979
01:39:56,240 --> 01:39:58,000
Speaker 1: the same thing. I would add the receiver, I think

1980
01:39:58,040 --> 01:40:01,080
Speaker 1: the third receiver guiding towards Ac Yell. He's out. Jac

1981
01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:03,599
Speaker 1: Jackson's missed a couple of games, a lot of injuries

1982
01:40:03,640 --> 01:40:07,040
Speaker 1: for the Chargers. Yeah, so I'll take the points. I'm

1983
01:40:07,040 --> 01:40:12,280
Speaker 1: gonna go with the upset Texans win outright. That's why

1984
01:40:12,479 --> 01:40:16,920
Speaker 1: I'm sixteen and thirty two one o'clock. The one and

1985
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:20,360
Speaker 1: two Titans are at the one one and one Colts.

1986
01:40:21,479 --> 01:40:24,800
Speaker 1: Colts by three and a half. Colts with a surprising

1987
01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:29,640
Speaker 1: win last week against the Chefs. I usually I'm a

1988
01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:31,280
Speaker 1: Vrabel guy, and I believe in that team, but I

1989
01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:33,120
Speaker 1: think they are another one of those teams trending down.

1990
01:40:33,120 --> 01:40:35,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Indie at home to cover. Yeah, I'm

1991
01:40:35,479 --> 01:40:38,040
Speaker 1: with Indie two. Gus Bradley actually cooking something up last

1992
01:40:38,040 --> 01:40:40,160
Speaker 1: week for Patrick Mahomes, you know, typically one of those

1993
01:40:40,200 --> 01:40:42,600
Speaker 1: guys that just does what he does, but spun the

1994
01:40:42,680 --> 01:40:44,080
Speaker 1: dial a little bit last week. So I'll go with

1995
01:40:44,080 --> 01:40:46,320
Speaker 1: the Colts. I will take Indie to win, but I

1996
01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:50,479
Speaker 1: will take the hook and take Tennessee to cover. I

1997
01:40:50,600 --> 01:40:53,920
Speaker 1: will take Tennessee outright, so not only do they cover,

1998
01:40:54,080 --> 01:40:57,320
Speaker 1: but they win without the upset pick of the week. Folks. No,

1999
01:40:57,479 --> 01:41:00,600
Speaker 1: that was the Texans. Folks think that one might be

2000
01:41:00,680 --> 01:41:06,120
Speaker 1: coming last today one o'clock. The two and one bears

2001
01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:09,680
Speaker 1: right right the way you do, exactly at the two

2002
01:41:09,760 --> 01:41:15,400
Speaker 1: and one Giants, Giants by three and a half. This

2003
01:41:15,640 --> 01:41:17,280
Speaker 1: is uh feel sorry for the people that have to

2004
01:41:17,320 --> 01:41:19,439
Speaker 1: watch this one. No, I'll take the Giants. I know,

2005
01:41:20,160 --> 01:41:22,880
Speaker 1: a little bit of a stumble, but I'm gonna take

2006
01:41:22,920 --> 01:41:24,599
Speaker 1: them to bounce back at home, just because I think

2007
01:41:25,040 --> 01:41:29,400
Speaker 1: Chicago sticks a tough one because the Bears don't trust

2008
01:41:29,479 --> 01:41:31,880
Speaker 1: Justin Fields to throw and Daniel Jones can't throw, So

2009
01:41:32,640 --> 01:41:35,920
Speaker 1: which quarterback do you go with in that situation question,

2010
01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:40,519
Speaker 1: I'll go at the Giants because they're at home. Yeah,

2011
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:42,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the Giants for the same reason. Um,

2012
01:41:43,240 --> 01:41:45,559
Speaker 1: do you think it's all about justin fields? Are about

2013
01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:48,160
Speaker 1: those around him? I think it's a little bit of everything.

2014
01:41:48,360 --> 01:41:50,720
Speaker 1: Darnell Mooney is probably his best receiver. Yeah, but I

2015
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:54,519
Speaker 1: think they were really worried about getting him killed offensive line. Yeah.

2016
01:41:55,320 --> 01:41:57,640
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna take the Giants either way. Yeah, me too.

2017
01:41:57,800 --> 01:42:02,400
Speaker 1: Giants the dable Giants one o'clock, two and one, Jaguars

2018
01:42:02,640 --> 01:42:06,000
Speaker 1: at the three and oh. Eagles. Fun game, I know,

2019
01:42:06,479 --> 01:42:11,240
Speaker 1: like sneaky Eagles, buy six and a half. Man, It's

2020
01:42:11,439 --> 01:42:13,840
Speaker 1: I mean, Jacksonville want to surprise teams of the year.

2021
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:17,240
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence looking a lot better, actually has some real coaches.

2022
01:42:18,160 --> 01:42:20,559
Speaker 1: But I think I think Philly's legit. I'm a little

2023
01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:23,559
Speaker 1: bit surprised, but I'm gonna take Philly and I'm gonna

2024
01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:25,679
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lay those points as much as I'm tempted

2025
01:42:25,680 --> 01:42:28,160
Speaker 1: to think it's gonna be a close game. Yeah, watching

2026
01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:30,599
Speaker 1: Philly in primetime last week, you realize how loaded their

2027
01:42:30,680 --> 01:42:33,160
Speaker 1: roster is. Like Darius Slay is probably like the sixth

2028
01:42:33,240 --> 01:42:35,800
Speaker 1: best player on their team, which is amazing. So I

2029
01:42:35,960 --> 01:42:38,400
Speaker 1: take Philly here. I'm gonna take Philly two, but i

2030
01:42:38,479 --> 01:42:41,560
Speaker 1: will take the points. I'm a starting to become a

2031
01:42:41,640 --> 01:42:45,040
Speaker 1: believer in in Jacksonville, so I'll take the points. I'll see.

2032
01:42:45,120 --> 01:42:47,280
Speaker 1: I think they will keep it close. Maybe a backdoor cover.

2033
01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:51,479
Speaker 1: I'm with you, Paul Trevor Lawrence. I like them. They

2034
01:42:51,600 --> 01:42:54,599
Speaker 1: cover one o'clock the one and two. Jets are at

2035
01:42:54,640 --> 01:42:58,960
Speaker 1: the one and two Steelers. Steelers by three. It looks

2036
01:42:58,960 --> 01:43:01,120
Speaker 1: like Zach Wilson will be his dabut. Jack Wilson is

2037
01:43:01,120 --> 01:43:06,280
Speaker 1: gonna make his debut. UM. That's a tough one, tough one, Um,

2038
01:43:06,479 --> 01:43:08,040
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go for it with the Jets. I'm

2039
01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:11,800
Speaker 1: gonna say Zach Wilson uh gets the win in his

2040
01:43:11,960 --> 01:43:14,720
Speaker 1: return at Pittsburgh. Tough pick, but I'm gonna go for it.

2041
01:43:15,240 --> 01:43:17,880
Speaker 1: I'm taking Pittsburgh. I actually think Zach Wilson coming back

2042
01:43:17,960 --> 01:43:20,360
Speaker 1: might hurt the Jets, not helping them. Yeah, I'm gonna

2043
01:43:20,400 --> 01:43:24,760
Speaker 1: take the Jets. Um, I'm breaking my rule two bad

2044
01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:26,720
Speaker 1: teams usually take the home team, but I'm gonna break

2045
01:43:26,760 --> 01:43:27,960
Speaker 1: my rule in this one. I think they'll get a

2046
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:30,920
Speaker 1: little bit of a bump from from Wilson. Okay, I'm

2047
01:43:30,920 --> 01:43:34,080
Speaker 1: gonna take the Steelers. Steelers at home now, he moved

2048
01:43:34,120 --> 01:43:37,280
Speaker 1: to four or five. The one and two Cardinals are

2049
01:43:37,360 --> 01:43:41,720
Speaker 1: at the one and two Panthers, Carolina by one and

2050
01:43:41,760 --> 01:43:46,439
Speaker 1: a half. Yeah, I just, uh, Christian McCaffrey miss practice

2051
01:43:46,439 --> 01:43:51,880
Speaker 1: again today. I gotta I gotta go with Arizona. I mean,

2052
01:43:51,960 --> 01:43:54,160
Speaker 1: I'm surprised at how bad they've been, but I'm gonna

2053
01:43:54,200 --> 01:43:56,679
Speaker 1: take them as a road upset as well, not upset,

2054
01:43:56,760 --> 01:44:00,680
Speaker 1: but you know, this Cardinals offense is mess right now,

2055
01:44:00,760 --> 01:44:03,640
Speaker 1: but I still think that they have enough talent to

2056
01:44:04,240 --> 01:44:07,080
Speaker 1: beat a team like Carolina. So I'll take Arizona. Yeah,

2057
01:44:07,120 --> 01:44:08,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the three of us might be

2058
01:44:10,560 --> 01:44:13,840
Speaker 1: and for I just think this line looks backwards to me.

2059
01:44:14,760 --> 01:44:17,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Arizona too, but maybe they're just not

2060
01:44:17,200 --> 01:44:19,960
Speaker 1: very good. I am as well. I'm gonna take Arizona

2061
01:44:21,400 --> 01:44:24,840
Speaker 1: twenty five. The two on one Broncos are a rare

2062
01:44:25,560 --> 01:44:28,920
Speaker 1: away game. They're at Las Vegas the Owin three Raiders

2063
01:44:29,720 --> 01:44:33,160
Speaker 1: Raiders by two and a half. I gotta go with

2064
01:44:33,280 --> 01:44:35,000
Speaker 1: Josh and the Raiders. I think they got to get

2065
01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:38,920
Speaker 1: their first win. They got too much talent. And Denver,

2066
01:44:39,080 --> 01:44:41,960
Speaker 1: I mean, they're playing a little better, But I'm gonna

2067
01:44:41,960 --> 01:44:44,519
Speaker 1: go with Vegas and and hope for Josh and those

2068
01:44:44,560 --> 01:44:46,280
Speaker 1: guys to get the dub. Yeah. I think this is

2069
01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:49,000
Speaker 1: this is the week for Josh McDaniels to finally get

2070
01:44:49,080 --> 01:44:52,240
Speaker 1: a win. It's really been Derek Carr hasn't really seen

2071
01:44:52,280 --> 01:44:53,640
Speaker 1: the field very well, but I think this is the

2072
01:44:53,640 --> 01:44:56,759
Speaker 1: week that they finally get together. Got to simplify the office.

2073
01:44:57,240 --> 01:44:59,040
Speaker 1: I haven't watched much of it. How much of that

2074
01:44:59,160 --> 01:45:01,680
Speaker 1: you think has been called? Are not being comfortable yet

2075
01:45:01,720 --> 01:45:04,080
Speaker 1: in that offense? I think it's weird about to him

2076
01:45:04,120 --> 01:45:05,800
Speaker 1: just playing badly. Yeah, I think what's weird about it

2077
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:08,320
Speaker 1: is that he's missing Davante Adams a lot, which is

2078
01:45:08,360 --> 01:45:10,960
Speaker 1: like the guy that they traded for because they can

2079
01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:14,360
Speaker 1: when in doubt. Yeah, you know, it's weird. I would

2080
01:45:14,640 --> 01:45:17,599
Speaker 1: be interesting, though, get his first win against Denver. They

2081
01:45:17,680 --> 01:45:21,719
Speaker 1: hate him, they hate Josh. But I'm gonna take the Raiders,

2082
01:45:21,760 --> 01:45:24,519
Speaker 1: will probably going forward with picking them too. Yeah, I'm

2083
01:45:24,520 --> 01:45:26,679
Speaker 1: gonna go with the Raiders as well. At some point

2084
01:45:26,720 --> 01:45:29,439
Speaker 1: they gotta get off the Schneider. I just think I

2085
01:45:29,520 --> 01:45:31,599
Speaker 1: don't think I've seen very many games that were worse

2086
01:45:31,680 --> 01:45:35,000
Speaker 1: than that primetime game last week with San Francisco and Denver.

2087
01:45:35,680 --> 01:45:38,599
Speaker 1: Denver setback offense decades in that game. My eyes are

2088
01:45:38,640 --> 01:45:41,960
Speaker 1: just cooling off. They burned right out of my They're not.

2089
01:45:42,720 --> 01:45:45,720
Speaker 1: Wilson might be washed. I just I'm that close. Like

2090
01:45:46,080 --> 01:45:48,400
Speaker 1: he just doesn't look like he can play anymore. And

2091
01:45:48,479 --> 01:45:50,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's just because of the guy

2092
01:45:50,120 --> 01:45:55,040
Speaker 1: that's coaching, or they got talented offense too awful. Yeah,

2093
01:45:55,200 --> 01:45:58,160
Speaker 1: they got receivers that's not a talent issue on offensive,

2094
01:45:58,200 --> 01:46:01,519
Speaker 1: and they could run the ball too. They give him extension. Yeah, oh,

2095
01:46:01,600 --> 01:46:05,000
Speaker 1: he looks terrible. Now we're gonna skip over the Patriots

2096
01:46:05,040 --> 01:46:07,559
Speaker 1: at four twenty five and we're gonna go to eight

2097
01:46:07,800 --> 01:46:13,400
Speaker 1: twenty one. The two and one Chiefs are at the

2098
01:46:13,560 --> 01:46:17,639
Speaker 1: two and one Buccaneers. Uh. This game, as of now

2099
01:46:17,960 --> 01:46:21,040
Speaker 1: is still at Raymond James Stadium. It could be played

2100
01:46:21,040 --> 01:46:24,160
Speaker 1: in Minnesota. I think it's officially been Oh is it

2101
01:46:24,240 --> 01:46:28,479
Speaker 1: officially an update? Officially official? I saw that. Yeah, Adam Schefter,

2102
01:46:29,200 --> 01:46:32,240
Speaker 1: it's staying in Tampa. Yes, okay, Wow, So at Raymond

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01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:34,560
Speaker 1: James Stadium. The Chiefs are favored by one and a

2104
01:46:34,600 --> 01:46:39,599
Speaker 1: half and Brady's guys any any any weaponry coming back

2105
01:46:39,640 --> 01:46:43,320
Speaker 1: like Mike Evans is right, I don't think it's gonna

2106
01:46:43,320 --> 01:46:45,160
Speaker 1: be enough. I'm gonna take the Chiefs on the road.

2107
01:46:45,400 --> 01:46:49,639
Speaker 1: I'll lay the points. Yeah, that that offense last week.

2108
01:46:49,680 --> 01:46:51,920
Speaker 1: I know Mike Evans comes back, but they couldn't run

2109
01:46:51,960 --> 01:46:55,360
Speaker 1: the ball against the Packers. The receivers were limited. I

2110
01:46:55,520 --> 01:46:57,680
Speaker 1: like Kansas City here as well. Yeah, I'll take the

2111
01:46:57,760 --> 01:47:03,679
Speaker 1: Chiefs too. I hate doubting Tom Brady at your own peril,

2112
01:47:04,240 --> 01:47:06,160
Speaker 1: but I will take the Chiefs. I'm gonna take the

2113
01:47:06,240 --> 01:47:10,720
Speaker 1: Chiefs as well. Monday night, eight fifteen, the two and

2114
01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:13,479
Speaker 1: one Rams are at the one and two forty nine Ers.

2115
01:47:15,520 --> 01:47:19,760
Speaker 1: Forty nine is by one and a half? Really? Wow?

2116
01:47:20,640 --> 01:47:23,040
Speaker 1: Am I the only surprised by that? Rams haven't played

2117
01:47:23,080 --> 01:47:25,880
Speaker 1: well either? I guess I just remember that came from

2118
01:47:25,960 --> 01:47:27,920
Speaker 1: last week with San France. No, but I hear what

2119
01:47:27,960 --> 01:47:30,519
Speaker 1: you're saying. No, it's a strange. It's a strange spread

2120
01:47:30,560 --> 01:47:32,479
Speaker 1: to me. But you know, I think San Francisco is

2121
01:47:32,479 --> 01:47:35,280
Speaker 1: pretty good, only a point and a half favorite at home. Yeah,

2122
01:47:35,479 --> 01:47:38,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna take the Rams. Yeah, I'm blanking

2123
01:47:38,479 --> 01:47:41,479
Speaker 1: on the there's some weird NFC West trends where like

2124
01:47:41,640 --> 01:47:45,840
Speaker 1: certain m Yeah, so that's probably why the line is

2125
01:47:45,920 --> 01:47:48,040
Speaker 1: what it is. So I like San Francisco in this

2126
01:47:48,120 --> 01:47:50,880
Speaker 1: game because it seems like they have each other's numbers

2127
01:47:50,920 --> 01:47:54,960
Speaker 1: in that division. Yeah, the Rams own the Cardinals and

2128
01:47:55,200 --> 01:47:57,479
Speaker 1: the Niners own the Rams, right. I think that's the

2129
01:47:57,560 --> 01:48:02,320
Speaker 1: way that That's the way love goes owns. Um, I'm

2130
01:48:02,360 --> 01:48:05,360
Speaker 1: gonna take the Rams just because I like them. I'm

2131
01:48:05,400 --> 01:48:08,479
Speaker 1: gonna take the Rams as well. Even trends get to

2132
01:48:08,560 --> 01:48:13,080
Speaker 1: be broken sometimes, all right. Now we go back to

2133
01:48:13,240 --> 01:48:17,680
Speaker 1: four twenty five. Uh, the one and two Patriots are

2134
01:48:17,800 --> 01:48:20,560
Speaker 1: visiting Lambeau for the two and with the two and

2135
01:48:20,640 --> 01:48:27,000
Speaker 1: one Packers Packers by ten ten points. Uh yeah, I

2136
01:48:27,479 --> 01:48:30,400
Speaker 1: think the Patriots are are gonna play hard in this one.

2137
01:48:30,479 --> 01:48:33,720
Speaker 1: I think their defense will you know, largely contain green

2138
01:48:33,800 --> 01:48:36,600
Speaker 1: Bay's offense for much of the game. Um, you know,

2139
01:48:36,640 --> 01:48:38,800
Speaker 1: I think the Patriots offense will move the ball. I

2140
01:48:39,120 --> 01:48:41,120
Speaker 1: want they'll probably struggle in the red zone though, So

2141
01:48:41,920 --> 01:48:44,760
Speaker 1: I see green Bay kind of pulling away late, kind

2142
01:48:44,760 --> 01:48:46,599
Speaker 1: of similar to that Kansas City game. Maybe not as

2143
01:48:46,680 --> 01:48:50,679
Speaker 1: low scoring, but I'm gonna take a green Bay thirteen

2144
01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:54,120
Speaker 1: I have the same feelings as Mike on this one.

2145
01:48:54,200 --> 01:48:56,800
Speaker 1: I had twenty four ten, the exact same score from

2146
01:48:56,840 --> 01:48:59,080
Speaker 1: the Chiefs game in twenty twenty when Hoyers started just

2147
01:48:59,800 --> 01:49:02,320
Speaker 1: I think green Bay scores that touchdown late, though, I

2148
01:49:02,439 --> 01:49:06,160
Speaker 1: think the Patriots keep this competitive. I think the score

2149
01:49:06,200 --> 01:49:08,840
Speaker 1: of that game was twenty six to ten, but six

2150
01:49:09,400 --> 01:49:11,599
Speaker 1: gon nitpick, Why don't you look at I'm picking nits.

2151
01:49:12,280 --> 01:49:15,439
Speaker 1: I am gonna take green Bay. I am having the opposite. Well,

2152
01:49:15,439 --> 01:49:18,040
Speaker 1: I think they get a lead and sort of coast

2153
01:49:18,680 --> 01:49:22,679
Speaker 1: and the Patriots have the back door cover. I'm gonna say, well,

2154
01:49:24,400 --> 01:49:27,960
Speaker 1: it's gonna actually land on ten here, unfortunately, but I'm

2155
01:49:27,960 --> 01:49:32,400
Speaker 1: gonna take the Patriots to cover. I'll say twenty six

2156
01:49:32,520 --> 01:49:36,759
Speaker 1: sixteen Green Bay a lot of field goals. Okay, folks,

2157
01:49:38,320 --> 01:49:40,919
Speaker 1: these are the times that try the souls of Patriots.

2158
01:49:40,920 --> 01:49:42,439
Speaker 1: Do we need the music? Do we need some background music?

2159
01:49:42,479 --> 01:49:45,040
Speaker 1: Do you have anything patriotic? God bless America. I'm talking

2160
01:49:45,080 --> 01:49:48,439
Speaker 1: to you, Bill Belichick. Bury the ball, show them that

2161
01:49:48,560 --> 01:49:53,280
Speaker 1: horse race, Tell them about Shackleton's vacation. What's their vacation,

2162
01:49:53,360 --> 01:49:56,679
Speaker 1: high it was an adventure, whatever it was. Take them bowling,

2163
01:49:57,280 --> 01:49:59,840
Speaker 1: Do whatever you have to do, show them miracle on ice,

2164
01:50:00,760 --> 01:50:04,680
Speaker 1: bringing the kid to do the motivational talk, whatever you

2165
01:50:04,800 --> 01:50:07,280
Speaker 1: have to do, pull out all the stops, because this

2166
01:50:07,479 --> 01:50:09,360
Speaker 1: is where we got to rally the troops. This is

2167
01:50:09,400 --> 01:50:12,200
Speaker 1: where we got to circle the wagons. We gotta get

2168
01:50:12,240 --> 01:50:17,760
Speaker 1: around Axel Hoyer and and you know, make up for

2169
01:50:17,960 --> 01:50:21,240
Speaker 1: him and come together in this at lambeau Field. What

2170
01:50:21,400 --> 01:50:24,439
Speaker 1: would be better than going to lambeau Field and coming

2171
01:50:24,520 --> 01:50:29,479
Speaker 1: back with a win. They've done tougher things, They've done

2172
01:50:29,520 --> 01:50:32,519
Speaker 1: tougher things before, we can do it. I remember Troy

2173
01:50:32,600 --> 01:50:37,479
Speaker 1: Brown playing I remember Troy Brown playing corner against the

2174
01:50:37,600 --> 01:50:40,040
Speaker 1: greatest show on turf and the Patriots coming back with

2175
01:50:40,200 --> 01:50:42,960
Speaker 1: that win. No one thought they could do it. Adam

2176
01:50:43,040 --> 01:50:45,840
Speaker 1: Vinatari throwing a touchdown in that game, remember that ball.

2177
01:50:46,200 --> 01:50:48,960
Speaker 1: I Doah Smock Boulder playing quarterback for the Rams, though

2178
01:50:49,000 --> 01:50:52,240
Speaker 1: not Adamon Rodgers, Okay, but that he had a lot

2179
01:50:52,280 --> 01:50:55,000
Speaker 1: of a lot of weapons, a lot of weapons models.

2180
01:50:55,320 --> 01:51:01,840
Speaker 1: So I'm taking the points what the Patriots lose. So

2181
01:51:01,960 --> 01:51:03,559
Speaker 1: you're doing the same. So you're doing the same thing

2182
01:51:03,600 --> 01:51:05,920
Speaker 1: as me after all of that. Yeah, yeah, all right, yeah,

2183
01:51:05,960 --> 01:51:07,439
Speaker 1: Well while you were doing that, we were watching on

2184
01:51:07,479 --> 01:51:09,800
Speaker 1: a sports center. They were picking in their eliminator pool,

2185
01:51:09,880 --> 01:51:12,599
Speaker 1: and all four of the pundits chose green bag day.

2186
01:51:13,280 --> 01:51:15,200
Speaker 1: That's such an you can't like, can you look yourself

2187
01:51:15,240 --> 01:51:17,160
Speaker 1: in the mirror? If you're taking the Packers against the

2188
01:51:17,160 --> 01:51:19,720
Speaker 1: Patriots backup quarterback at home, I mean, that's not really

2189
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:22,320
Speaker 1: going out on a limb, right, Yeah, if I was

2190
01:51:22,360 --> 01:51:24,840
Speaker 1: gonna take I don't generally take the Patriots in those

2191
01:51:24,920 --> 01:51:28,120
Speaker 1: things for obvious reasons. Um, but if I wouldn't have

2192
01:51:28,120 --> 01:51:30,000
Speaker 1: had anything to do with the quarterback. If if I

2193
01:51:30,920 --> 01:51:32,679
Speaker 1: look the Packers at home, I don't think we're gonna

2194
01:51:32,680 --> 01:51:37,120
Speaker 1: lose that game. We'll see. Everything's offense is not not

2195
01:51:37,479 --> 01:51:39,880
Speaker 1: what you think of when you think of Aaron Rodgers

2196
01:51:40,000 --> 01:51:43,000
Speaker 1: right now. But they're playing a defense that I know

2197
01:51:43,120 --> 01:51:45,760
Speaker 1: I picked. I do think there's hope. I do think

2198
01:51:45,840 --> 01:51:48,960
Speaker 1: there's hope. And it's up to the Patriots defense. You know,

2199
01:51:49,040 --> 01:51:53,479
Speaker 1: if you can keep somehow the Packers under twenty, there's

2200
01:51:53,479 --> 01:51:56,400
Speaker 1: a chance, there's a chance. I agree. It's all a

2201
01:51:56,520 --> 01:51:58,560
Speaker 1: lot of the things that the Packers are doing offensively

2202
01:51:58,600 --> 01:52:01,720
Speaker 1: to move the ball is play action, RPO, you know,

2203
01:52:01,840 --> 01:52:05,479
Speaker 1: bootlegs stuff, Shanahan stuff like. That's their offense right now.

2204
01:52:05,520 --> 01:52:07,760
Speaker 1: If you get them into a drop back passing game

2205
01:52:07,840 --> 01:52:09,519
Speaker 1: and just make them beat you by throw into the

2206
01:52:09,560 --> 01:52:13,240
Speaker 1: five eligible receivers. It's six yards per tempt. It's not

2207
01:52:13,360 --> 01:52:16,120
Speaker 1: a good drop back passing offense at the moment. It's

2208
01:52:16,200 --> 01:52:20,080
Speaker 1: a very The protection has been okay, but his numbers

2209
01:52:20,160 --> 01:52:23,639
Speaker 1: under pressure have plummeted, which I think those two things

2210
01:52:23,680 --> 01:52:27,040
Speaker 1: traditional drop back passing and pressure. If those things are

2211
01:52:27,120 --> 01:52:29,639
Speaker 1: bad and the quarterback, you know, is not the problem,

2212
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:33,200
Speaker 1: usually that indicates that receiver separation is the issue that

2213
01:52:33,360 --> 01:52:35,599
Speaker 1: they're going against. And that's sort of what I saw

2214
01:52:35,640 --> 01:52:38,920
Speaker 1: on film from the Packers last week. Is if Lafleur

2215
01:52:39,040 --> 01:52:42,360
Speaker 1: can scheme it up and Rogers has the quick release

2216
01:52:42,400 --> 01:52:44,320
Speaker 1: and can kind of manipulate guys and stuff like that,

2217
01:52:44,640 --> 01:52:47,080
Speaker 1: but the best of them, then they can make some plays.

2218
01:52:47,160 --> 01:52:49,439
Speaker 1: But the second that you actually just play football eleven

2219
01:52:49,479 --> 01:52:52,240
Speaker 1: on eleven, the Packers offense is not what it used

2220
01:52:52,280 --> 01:52:54,120
Speaker 1: to be. Sounds like, like you said yesterday, the twenty

2221
01:52:54,200 --> 01:52:56,840
Speaker 1: nineteen Patriots exactly the same thing. So big game for

2222
01:52:56,960 --> 01:53:00,959
Speaker 1: Dietrich Wise, maybe Christian barm More. Do you think Barmore,

2223
01:53:01,280 --> 01:53:04,120
Speaker 1: if guy doesn't play, he gets early snaps on downs

2224
01:53:04,240 --> 01:53:09,040
Speaker 1: like early down snaps sure, yeah, but like, is that

2225
01:53:09,160 --> 01:53:13,080
Speaker 1: a liability against the run or because maybe? But I mean,

2226
01:53:13,120 --> 01:53:14,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, But I mean I'm always like, just

2227
01:53:14,840 --> 01:53:16,720
Speaker 1: go for it and let him play and let him

2228
01:53:16,760 --> 01:53:18,800
Speaker 1: make plays and let him blow some plays and you know,

2229
01:53:18,960 --> 01:53:20,640
Speaker 1: get get over the hump with this stuff. You know,

2230
01:53:20,800 --> 01:53:22,120
Speaker 1: just get him out there and get him used to

2231
01:53:22,160 --> 01:53:25,000
Speaker 1: play in the whole game and you know, making big

2232
01:53:25,080 --> 01:53:27,040
Speaker 1: plays in the big moments when it comes down the stretch.

2233
01:53:27,080 --> 01:53:28,679
Speaker 1: You know, that's what you want out of Christian Barmore

2234
01:53:29,000 --> 01:53:31,280
Speaker 1: a closer. But I like the idea of like pushing

2235
01:53:31,360 --> 01:53:34,880
Speaker 1: that pocket. But that's when Rogers throws. The trouble is

2236
01:53:35,080 --> 01:53:37,840
Speaker 1: they're a better running team right now, believe it or not. Yeah,

2237
01:53:37,880 --> 01:53:40,400
Speaker 1: this wide zone scheme that they run though, remember from

2238
01:53:40,439 --> 01:53:43,880
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl and against the Rams, penetration is the

2239
01:53:44,000 --> 01:53:46,560
Speaker 1: poison for this. So if you're a Christian Barmore, this

2240
01:53:46,760 --> 01:53:50,040
Speaker 1: is one of those weeks where shooting gaps and getting

2241
01:53:50,040 --> 01:53:52,720
Speaker 1: in the backfield instantly off the run is not a

2242
01:53:52,800 --> 01:53:54,720
Speaker 1: bad thing. You know, some weeks you don't want to

2243
01:53:54,760 --> 01:53:56,960
Speaker 1: be undisappointed and come out of your gap and stuff

2244
01:53:57,000 --> 01:53:59,280
Speaker 1: like that. But this week is one of those weeks

2245
01:53:59,360 --> 01:54:02,200
Speaker 1: where if you can get early penetration. I'm sure they'll,

2246
01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:04,960
Speaker 1: you know, have some of those run blitzer where they

2247
01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:06,880
Speaker 1: kind of just shoot Duan Bentley through the A gap

2248
01:54:06,920 --> 01:54:09,000
Speaker 1: and try to get him in the backfield too. That's

2249
01:54:09,040 --> 01:54:11,800
Speaker 1: the type of scheme. He has, a delayed outside zone

2250
01:54:11,840 --> 01:54:13,280
Speaker 1: type of scheme. And if you can get up the

2251
01:54:13,320 --> 01:54:17,599
Speaker 1: field against them, I'll never forget Belichick and the whichever

2252
01:54:17,920 --> 01:54:20,200
Speaker 1: you know miked up segment. It was saying, get vertical,

2253
01:54:20,280 --> 01:54:22,519
Speaker 1: get vertical, get vertical, Like that's the type of scheme

2254
01:54:22,840 --> 01:54:24,599
Speaker 1: that you want to do that against is what they're

2255
01:54:24,640 --> 01:54:26,439
Speaker 1: facing on Sunday. So there could be a big bar

2256
01:54:26,560 --> 01:54:29,479
Speaker 1: Moore game. Finally, one of those games where they take

2257
01:54:29,520 --> 01:54:31,439
Speaker 1: the training wheels off a little bit, so to speak,

2258
01:54:31,479 --> 01:54:33,360
Speaker 1: and let him actually pin his ears back a little

2259
01:54:33,360 --> 01:54:36,800
Speaker 1: bit more unleashed. All right, all right, Well that's gonna

2260
01:54:36,840 --> 01:54:41,120
Speaker 1: be it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered. Oh yeah,

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2273
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