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Speaker 1: You're listening to soft Rep Radio special operations, military news

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Speaker 1: and straight talk with the guys in the community. Hey,

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Speaker 1: what's going on? This is rad with soft Rep Radio

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Speaker 1: and I am excited to be the host of this episode.

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Speaker 1: I have two great guests right now. Okay, the first

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Speaker 1: guest I'm gonna introduce. He does true crime podcasts, he

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Speaker 1: does military true story podcast It's Dan Bennymore and I've

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Speaker 1: got Dan here. Hi, Dan, how are you? Hey? How's

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Speaker 1: it going? Hey, it's going great. Thanks for being on

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Speaker 1: the show. We're gonna dive in now with our second guest.

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Speaker 1: So I actually have a panel. This is great, right,

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Speaker 1: I've not had a panel before, so you guys were

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Speaker 1: a panel. So with that said, Lila Holly, we have

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Speaker 1: her on the show today. And Lila has military background,

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Speaker 1: and for my understanding, chief warrant officer for in the

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Speaker 1: military might write on that. So far, Yes, Red, you're

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Speaker 1: when you turn in your waffet packet, okay, which is

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Speaker 1: like your warrant officer packet of like, I want to

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Speaker 1: So the waffet pack your list, you're like, I want

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Speaker 1: I put in my packet. You know, you have to

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Speaker 1: I got selected. My second look, Okay, I didn't look back.

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed it so much. I was military in telling,

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Speaker 1: And it's not the easiest thing to be in the

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Speaker 1: or listen to these tales being told. Yes, so you

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Speaker 1: can find all of our shows by going to Voyage

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Speaker 1: Media dot FM, and this specific show is True War

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Speaker 1: you know it may just hit him and they may

426
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: just get a surge through of chills, and that's because

427
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 1: you're thinking positive thoughts for them. And uh, there is

428
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 1: a power to the faith into prayer and you're not

429
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 1: not to get on some kind of religious kick. But

430
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: I totally am uh you know, I agree with you.

431
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 1: And so it's a crazy time, Dan, I mean, what

432
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 1: do you think you know you said, getting stories and

433
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 1: talking to these veterans, you know, with Ukraine going on,

434
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: what's your thoughts? You know, what do you see out

435
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,400
Speaker 1: there right now? How you seeing it? Well? I'll tell you,

436
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,880
Speaker 1: you know, it made me think of what Lilah just said.

437
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 1: Made me think of an episode we're doing right now

438
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 1: with um. A gentleman named Bob Means, and Bob served

439
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 1: in Vietnam and there was like a battle that he

440
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 1: participated in they didn't no memory of, Like he like

441
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 1: he returned to the United States and had no memory

442
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: did participate in this thing, and then he saw a

443
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 1: picture or in a magazine and then he instantly remembered

444
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 1: it and remember all of it, Like all this stuff

445
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: that he did that he had just completely blocked out right.

446
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 1: I spoke, we have another episode. I spoke to a

447
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 1: gentleman um he sort of Vietnam, and his first night

448
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: in Vietnam, he witnessed an incident of a friendly fire,

449
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: basically that he was the primary witness of it. And

450
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: he said he relives it almost daily, and you know,

451
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 1: he's affected him his entire life. And and so, yeah,

452
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 1: I think a lot of stuff that I was saying, like, yeah,

453
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 1: for sure that the the toll of something like this

454
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 1: is felt for generations, right like what Russia's and Ukraine,

455
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,640
Speaker 1: what's going on with them, that would be felt by

456
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 1: the Russians the Russians and the Ukrainians. But by the way,

457
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: we've been hearing so many stories of Russians who were like, hey,

458
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: I just they just told me we were just driving

459
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: over here, like they didn't tell them, you know, that

460
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 1: what the real what really was going on? And no,

461
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 1: they're not stories coming out of Russian who just were

462
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: like they showed up in the Ukraine, they were like,

463
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: I surrender, I just want to go home, you know.

464
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: He just said. The whole thing is just uh, definitely,

465
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: the human toll of all this thing. I understand much

466
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 1: better after doing all these Yeah. Right, I just saw

467
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: some video and again there's a lot of propaganda out there,

468
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 1: and I get that, okay, But what I saw was

469
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: like a Russian soldier had broken into the liquor store

470
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 1: in Ukraine and got wasted and was just laying on

471
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,479
Speaker 1: the ground, just drunk, and they had just put him

472
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 1: under like you're now pow, and he just didn't get it.

473
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: He was just wasted. I mean, there's just so many

474
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 1: like the one guy he was captured by Ukraine on video.

475
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: I see a lot of TikTok, so I kind of

476
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 1: see what they're going on there and and and he

477
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: got shot in the foot, but he was shot in

478
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: the foot by his own team. It was Russia on

479
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: Russia because he was trying to save like a young

480
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: girl and her mom, and the Russians shot their own guy.

481
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: And when he got captured, he said, they're they're killing

482
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,199
Speaker 1: us for trying to help, and they killed a lieutenant.

483
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: And now I'm just loosely quoting TikTok, so come at me.

484
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,880
Speaker 1: It said like he's He also said in his Pow

485
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: interrogation that the lieutenant that was trying to help another

486
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 1: lady and her kid was just straight up killed by

487
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: their own forces. So Russia is just like kind of

488
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 1: imploding on itself. Its own team is just like gonna

489
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 1: have like this economic collapse. This is all because they

490
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: want to go into battle and just screw their people

491
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: that don't want this and aren't getting the media. They're

492
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: not getting that. They're just not getting the outlets they're

493
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 1: being told, you know, the whole communism thing. They just

494
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 1: don't have that outlet. It was like, it's crazy. There's

495
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: also something interesting, and you both would probably know more

496
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 1: about this than me, but it's just my perception. There's

497
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: something about Eastern Europe Russia. About Ukraine, just the history

498
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: and how much hardship they've gone through it. It's made

499
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: the people so tough. And you see it in the

500
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: way the Ukrainians are fighting back. You see it in

501
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 1: just the way Russians are in general. And I don't

502
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 1: know is that something that is that just my perception

503
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: or is that like a real thing in the Ukraine

504
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: and Russia. I know we're not joined the military. That

505
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: was the I joined like at the till end of

506
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 1: the Cold War, and that was the force that we

507
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: trained on learning. When we learned like the enemy up

508
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: for it was Russia, their tactics, their techniques and different

509
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,719
Speaker 1: things like that. And so they have been the model,

510
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: if you will, when you want to learn like enemy

511
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: tactics and what's successful, what works and things like that. Yeah.

512
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 1: Seen growing up with my dad, he had a whole closet.

513
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 1: Right as a Green Beret. I'd go into his office

514
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: at the armory just like every day and he's like, Hey, Aaron,

515
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 1: go go sit in the closet and just watch films,

516
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: you know, because I'm like, all right, Dad. So I'd

517
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: go on this little closet and then there was all

518
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 1: of these films all over the place, like a library

519
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: of films, tight closet, lots of films and a monitor.

520
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: But the monitor was a real thing that I had

521
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: to turn and it would slide like model projections that

522
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: somebody in the military gets paid to make, these little

523
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: model figurines. Exactly the detail of an RPG. Everything was

524
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: all warsaw by the way, That's what I wanted to

525
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 1: point out. It's all warsaw packed equipment. It was the tanks.

526
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: It was like, how do you identify the silhouette? What

527
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: is this? MiG what is this? What is that? You know,

528
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: all of the different types of Russian equipment, all the

529
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: way down to all of his mock weapons that they

530
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 1: had in there were like a k s and RPGs.

531
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 1: I would literally take a part of mock RPG to

532
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: learn all about its components. It's fins the whole nine yards,

533
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: because that's what the model was all about, was that

534
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 1: that whole Cold War. It's just you know, Russia split

535
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: up during the USSR and allowed other places to become

536
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: their own entities, like Ukraine, and the whole world changed

537
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: over there, and and homeboy in charge right now just

538
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: wants the empire back, and I Well, that's what's fascinating

539
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: to me, is like you look at it's almost like

540
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: history repeating, right. I mean, if you think back to Hitler,

541
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,479
Speaker 1: what really took Hitler out was that he went to Russia.

542
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: He pushed it too much, right, he sort of had

543
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: his had it going, pushed it too much to Russia,

544
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: and that really was the beginning of the end. And

545
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: I think if you look at Putin, Putin was very solid.

546
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: He could Putin could have just chilled out in Russia

547
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: for the next to the end of his life, and

548
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: I don't think he would have had any issue. And

549
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: now this thing with the Ukraine, I mean, to me,

550
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: it feels like this is this might be the beginning

551
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: of the end of him. Is that he's pushed it

552
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: a little bit too far. Yes, it's like I don't

553
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: want his baseball card no more. It's like, you know,

554
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: it's like you said earlier, it's all driven by money.

555
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: Is more to the story. But I think something that

556
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: you said, Dan, I think people in general are are

557
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: tougher these days. And I think, you know, people want

558
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: to fight against wrong, you know, and I think the

559
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: people a Ukraine, they're like, you know, wrong is wrong.

560
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: This is wrong and we're gonna fight, you know. And

561
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: I think after coming through this pandemic, I think that's

562
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: where people are. People are tired, and people want to

563
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: when you're wrong, you're wrong, and I think they're just like, no,

564
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: we're not gonna just lay down here. We're you're wrong,

565
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: so we're gonna fight, so we can't fight anymore. So

566
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: you're totally right. I think that, uh, you know, the

567
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: people standing up together and becoming a human chain of

568
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: toughness with each other is what's gonna break Putin and

569
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: the Russian aggression because they thought they could probably just

570
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: roll in and everybody like, Okay, we give up. You

571
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: can take over now, and here's the oil pipeline stuff

572
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: that you want, bro. But let's not forget. Like in

573
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: two thousand fourteen when the rockets that shot down that

574
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: innocent airliner over Ukraine, was straight up like, uh, stay

575
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: out of our business, America and the rest of the world.

576
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: We're busy over here in the Ukraine shooting down civilian airliners.

577
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: This dude has just not been on a good platform

578
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: for a while, right, He's been wanting Ukraine for a minute,

579
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: So just stay steadfast and just put up a fight,

580
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: and you know, thoughts and prayers to all those that

581
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: are in the battle right now. You know, I know

582
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: there's probably Russian soldiers that do not want to be there,

583
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: and I just want to, you know, maybe go home

584
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: and just put down their stuff and just go home.

585
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: And that's probably okay to do. You know, you can

586
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: just go home. Just go home. If you're listening to this,

587
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: go home, Just go home, Go see your wife and kids,

588
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: Go tell your mama and papa that you missed them.

589
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: Just go home. Russia, just go home, seriously, you know.

590
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: And then I don't know what else to say, you know,

591
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: just go home. Stop this whole indiscriminate killing. But I mean, geez, wow,

592
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: what an episode this just turned into. I mean I

593
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: didn't even foresee this, but you know, it just organically

594
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: went down this road of you know, there's innocence being question. Yeah,

595
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: please get back to the podcast. Yeah. So I find

596
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: it very interesting. I really like it that more Vietnam

597
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: veterans are sharing their stories and you're making the podcast

598
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: about their stories. What do you are you seeing more

599
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: of them coming around and share their stories. And I

600
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: know that generation really took a beating, you know, from

601
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: they weren't really supported in their war, and but now

602
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: that they're coming forth and sharing their stories that I

603
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: really enjoyed. I really enjoyed that. Well, what's fascinating is

604
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: that time is the big X factor, right. So for example,

605
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: we have another episode that we're doing right now, this

606
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: gentleman who had a story that he sort of came

607
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: in with, and then there was another story, and my

608
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: producer was a good producer and he sensed it and

609
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: he was like, I have to ask you about it.

610
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: You don't have to tell me, but like, you know,

611
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: I can sense there's more here. And basically the guy

612
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: was like, I've never told anyone this before except for

613
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: my wife, and she told me that I should tell you,

614
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: and we he we found out that basically, this guy

615
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: served in Vietnam, fell in love with a Vietnamese woman,

616
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: you know, ended up leaving Vietnam, and then went back

617
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: to see if he could be with her. And she

618
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: was like, I think again, the episode will come out

619
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,959
Speaker 1: and it may not have exactly, but basically what end

620
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: up happening is that he almost got himself killed to

621
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: go back to do with her. And she had to

622
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: be like, hey, listen, you're an American and you were

623
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: an American soldier and I'm sort of, you know, on

624
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: the other side of that in Vietnam and we cannot

625
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: be together, like you'll get killed, I might get killed,

626
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: Like there's no way we can do this. And eventually

627
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: it came back to America and as we're producing the episode,

628
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,959
Speaker 1: he's got pictures of her, he's got the handwritten like

629
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: directions when he went to Vietnam, And how did he

630
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: find her at the time. It's not you know, it's

631
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: not like today. There wasn't like a smartphone, Like how

632
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: did he get to her in the first place? And

633
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: he I mean literally, I think he almost got he

634
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: did get shot. I think he get shot in the

635
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: arm or something trying to reconnect with her, and ultimately

636
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: it's it's a tragic love story. But again, it's like

637
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: he never told anybody that until we talked to him,

638
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: because you know, enough time has passed that I think

639
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: he felt comfortable saying it. But he wouldn't have done

640
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: it five ten years after Vietnam. There's no way, absolutely

641
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: not no way. But that's incredible. I just know, you

642
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: know a lot of them hold their stories and don't

643
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: you don't you find the same read from the Vietnam

644
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: veterans that you come in contact with, like they hold

645
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: their stories in and so the fact that they're sharing

646
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 1: now is I think it's great. You know. I usually

647
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 1: start by welcoming them home personally, like saying welcome home.

648
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: I do any of my Vietnam friends, veterans that I

649
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: you know, I just lost a friend the other day

650
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: by my shop. Yeah, he's a Vietnam veteran. When I

651
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: moved into my air Soft arena about five years ago,

652
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: we painted it all white and he's like, I never

653
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: knew I was gonna live behind the White House. And

654
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I'll just be the president. You

655
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,439
Speaker 1: could be the Secretary of Defense. And then he brought

656
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: me over a Vietnam emblem of his unit. He's like,

657
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: do you want to hang this in your arena? And

658
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: to this day it hangs above the door. Everybody that

659
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: walks through the door walks underneath that Vietnam memento that

660
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: he had gifted me as being a nice guy, Jean,

661
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 1: I'll give him his shout out Geane up in Laton.

662
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: And so it's just there's so many veterans right now

663
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: that are from Vietnam that are now going away. Right,

664
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: my generation watched the World War Two guys kind of

665
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 1: go away, and then the Vietnam took over the VA floors, right,

666
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: and now we're starting to see the nineteen nineties era,

667
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: you know, Desert Shield, you know, the deserts. And then

668
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: they have like they call him the vs at the

669
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: v A, and they call him the w WS, and

670
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: they have all these nicknames for the different you know,

671
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: operations that these guys all fought in guys and gals.

672
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: When I say guys, I mean everybody. So I say

673
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: that it's kind of tough to get it out of him.

674
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: That's why I'm I'm pretty good, though, I'm pretty good.

675
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: I can probably you know, get a story or two

676
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: out of some guys. But most Vietnam guys are like,

677
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: I don't want to be reminded about Vietnam. Like, let's

678
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: just say, I know someone real close to me who's

679
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: a marine. And I won't say that he's my father

680
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: in law or anything, but he's like, don't remind me

681
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: that I was a marine in Vietnam. Right, That's what

682
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: he says. I do this, you know, for a living.

683
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: Here's what I do, right, it's like he's like, hey,

684
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: you glorify war is with your war games, and that

685
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: he's come to terms with the now he sees it's

686
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: not quite what that is, even though we do war games.

687
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: But the Vietnam guys they have this, you know, especially

688
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: in the Marines. You know, those guys saw, you know,

689
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: and did you know, and anybody in Vietnam saw and

690
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 1: did because Vietnam was just a good versus evil fight.

691
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, from my understanding, the Japan

692
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: and Vietnam, we're fighting, and the French were in there

693
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: trying to colonize it, and then the French were getting

694
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: overran and it was like bringing America and let's just

695
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: get this thing going. And and then that just kicked off.

696
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of guys that chose to go,

697
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 1: you know, did so just because the nation called them

698
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: to as their predecessors in World War two went that's

699
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,479
Speaker 1: what I think, you know. So they had that same

700
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: mantra like I'm good, it's my turn, even with the

701
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: draft on. And then you got the guys that were

702
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: drafted and they're just like, yo, man, I did some

703
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: things I did not want to deal with that. I've

704
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: been told about, you know, and snakes. I hear stories

705
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: about snakes. I hear stories about bamboo cages on shorelines

706
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: with p T boats going up and down looking for

707
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 1: recovery for you know, POW's that they just find dudes

708
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: that didn't make it. You know. I've heard some things

709
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: and and it's always emotional, and uh, I guess I

710
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: don't know. I have a weird Vietnam like kindred spirit

711
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: of like a past life, and so I very much

712
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: gravitate towards that. Like almost I was killed in Vietnam

713
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: in a past life and I kind of remember this

714
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 1: veil that just didn't quite you know, when I got reborn.

715
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: And so yeah, it's very very interesting. And if anybody

716
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: has ever had a kindred spirit story, I'd love to

717
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: hear about it, right, Like, Hey, one day I was

718
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: like married to a Southerner and I was a Northern

719
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: captain And I have a guy that told me that

720
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: story today. He's a flight medic on a black Hawk.

721
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: He's like, rad, you're not crazy. I'm like, no, I'm crazy.

722
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: He's like, no, let me tell you my past life.

723
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 1: And so I don't know. I think Vietnam's um. I'm

724
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: humbled by it, right and and and I asked that

725
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: question me because you know, I just my thing is

726
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: telling our stories and and my sisters in arms, and

727
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: I've created this platform for us to share our stories

728
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: because I feel like we lived it. We lived it,

729
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: they lived that, and there's nobody better to tell the

730
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: stories than the ones who lived in and experienced it. Now.

731
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: Our stories are layer, they're good, bad, and very ugly

732
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: at times, but you know, we survived them. And I

733
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, our stories helped the generations coming

734
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: behind us, and and they help us heal too. When

735
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: we tell our stories, that helps us heal as veterans.

736
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: Guess what we were we were were talking about with

737
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: my group tonight before I came on this interview. But

738
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: you know, I understand that, and I understand now what

739
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: I understand why some of them are at a place

740
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: in their healing journey from that war where they can

741
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 1: tell their family and tell these stories out in public,

742
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,240
Speaker 1: you know, because like the love story Dan just mentioned,

743
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: I mean, the how would you ever hear about that?

744
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: And I listened to a story called Fort Wachuka of

745
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,479
Speaker 1: women Black women service members serving in World War two

746
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: is nurses and different mos is that they had and

747
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: there was a love story and in that space as

748
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,959
Speaker 1: well between one of the black women and in a pow.

749
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,439
Speaker 1: So you know, there's so many different stories. Yeah, there's

750
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: so many stories here that will never hear about if

751
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: we just if we never found found people, never found

752
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: the courage to share their stories. And so I just

753
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: I love stories. I love hearing about our story. Yeah. Yeah,

754
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 1: you know, I just say that because I'm an advocate

755
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: for sharing our stories. Same same, we're storytellers. I think

756
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: the three of us together are just kind of just

757
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: what it is. You know. I don't know, I get

758
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: kind of choked up, and I don't. I don't that

759
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: doesn't happen too often, you know, But thinking about the

760
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: Vietnam guys out there, and and then you know, transitioning

761
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: through Granada, you know, which was a sorty that a

762
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: friend of mine, Max Mullen, had to go through, which

763
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: is gonna be an interview that he'll be we'll be

764
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: doing with him. He's in the Ranger Hall of Fame.

765
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: And and then you've got like you know, all the

766
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: way up through the eighties, and then you've got the

767
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 1: Philippines and people still looking for POWs in Vietnam late

768
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: after in the eighties, my dad was hit up by

769
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: I want to say. His name was like Bo Grights.

770
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: He's like an old Green Beret guy that had like

771
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: a group of merks and they wanted to go find

772
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: POWs in Vietnam. And this was back in the eighties.

773
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 1: And my dad's like, I have a family, you know,

774
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: that's exactly kind of how it went. He's like, go

775
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: on and find them. Go ahead, it is they were

776
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: looking for them in the eighties, Like Bill is still

777
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: out there. You know. They wanted to go find Bill,

778
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,439
Speaker 1: you know, whoever Bill was, whatever Bill is to them,

779
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 1: whether it's a love story of that lady that his

780
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: lost love, you know, that's crazy. Those are movies. That's

781
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: what movies are made of. Yeah, that is right, that

782
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 1: is that's amazing. So now, now, Lilah, with your deployments,

783
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: was there anything gritty like did you get shot at?

784
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: Did you ever have to return fired? Ever getting anything

785
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: like that? That's just like a straight rad okay, So

786
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: you gotta stay heart. I mean more to rounds and

787
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But border rounds, huh. I wasn't on

788
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: any convoyce or anything like that. No, and those that

789
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: were though, those are stories that are are just you know,

790
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: I've got a friend with the legs because of those

791
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: types of stories. You know, it's just so incredible, And

792
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 1: I know I had to provide detail to those guys,

793
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: and so I took my job very, very seriously to

794
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: provide them the best intel that they can have to

795
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: be safe in those situations. But thank you for doing that.

796
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: That's awesome. That's way awesome. Well look, okay, so I

797
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: feel like we've had a really good episode. I feel

798
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: like we could bring you back again and have more

799
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: stories with Dan and with Lila. You know. So I

800
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: feel like, is there is there anything that you would

801
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: like to tell me with anybody that is listening that

802
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: would a book coming up or anything that you have

803
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: to say. Now is the chance softwarep listeners love to

804
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: hear what you guys have to say. So, Lila, do

805
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 1: you have anything coming up that you want to discuss

806
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: or any one? Last website, Well, I would encourage them

807
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: to take to visit Voyage Media's website and take a

808
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: listen to the podcast. They're amazing. They've done an incredible

809
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: job with the production of these. I'm so pleased with

810
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: the episode on Camouflage Sisters and follow us on social

811
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: media if you're especially if you're a woman veteran and

812
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: you're looking for a new platoon, if you're looking for

813
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: a sisters and of ladies who can just wrap your

814
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: arms around you, who know what you're going through, what

815
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: you've been through, reach out and connect with us. We're

816
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: on Facebook, Instagram as Camouflage Sisters, and we're on LinkedIn

817
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: as well. Oh that's great. Yeah, I'm gonna go follow

818
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: you right now. I'm pulling it up right now. I'm

819
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: gonna go do that. As a matter of fact. Camouflage.

820
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go do that. I am. It's a hard

821
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Speaker 1: word to spell. Sometimes. It's my favorite color. L a

822
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Speaker 1: g my. So so that's what's your favorite color. I'm

823
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: like camouflage. Whatever is blended in that pattern is my

824
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: favorite color. Wonderful. So Camouflage Sisters on Instagram and all

825
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: social media's and then Dan again, it's Voyage Media, right, Yeah,

826
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: it's Voyage Media dot FM and I'll shoot you rad

827
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: the direct link for the True War Stories podcast. You

828
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 1: can maybe put in the show notes or something if

829
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: anybody wants to check it out. And yeah, we've already

830
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: done five episodes that are super cinematic and you know,

831
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: really take you on a journey, and we're currently producing

832
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: more episodes and we're very excited to keep doing this series.

833
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: We're really proud of it. Well, that's wonderful, and I'm

834
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: very happy to have had both of you on the

835
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 1: show on this episode. I'm stoked to be able to

836
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: host for soft Reap and get to go around and

837
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: meet all sorts of interesting people and and pull out

838
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: your captivating stories. And I really want to thank you

839
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: for spending your evening tonight with me and our listener

840
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: that is listening right now. And if you have a

841
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: crazy story about Vietnam or you want to get on

842
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: with my soft rep show and you want to talk

843
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 1: about your war story, you know, drop us a line

844
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: down to the bottom and I'll have one of our

845
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: producers reach out to you and try to coordinate it.

846
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: And you know, you never know if Dan might be

847
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: able to reenact it for you. Okay. So it's a

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