WEBVTT - TechStuff Classic: Mod That Bod 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:07.760 Welcome to text Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio. 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:14.400 Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host, 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:17.080 Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with I Heart Radio 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:20.280 and love all things tech and getting faster and faster 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:23.040 with those, aren't I. It is time for another classic 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:27.040 episode of tech Stuff. This one has the title mod 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:33.120 That Bod Body Modification. Seriously cool and sometimes weird and 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:39.160 sometimes disturbing stuff. This episode originally published on August two 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:43.839 thousand thirteen. Hope you guys enjoy it. We talked about piercing. 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:47.280 Let's talk about actually putting stuff under the skin. Other 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:51.160 lots of different versions of this. Now subdermal. The hint 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:54.440 is in the name, right, sub dermal, So it's beneath 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:58.440 so so so so Again, the epidermis is the skin 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:01.240 that you can poke. The derm this is the more 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:04.080 permanent layer below that. And then and then you've got 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:09.520 subdermal fatty some other layers and we'll talk about a 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:13.200 couple of them. Uh So, Yeah, the subcutest is this 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:17.280 layer below the dermists. Actually, subdermal implants go between the 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:20.880 subcutest lick layer and the facia, which is the fibrous 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:23.880 tissue that serves as connective tissue. So this is pretty 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:26.680 deep stuff. And the reason for that is these are 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:32.480 shapes that people put under their skin so they protrude outward. Normally, 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:36.440 it's in some places fairly visible, like your forehead, not 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:39.120 my forehead, I'm not going to do this a person's 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:45.240 hypothetical person's forehead or forehead, forearmed, sometimes the collar bone area. Uh, 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:47.960 really can be anywhere, but these are the typical places 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:50.920 it tends to be. And so people who are into 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:53.639 this kind of body modification will usually pick a fairly 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:56.560 simple shape because it needs to stand out when you 0:01:56.720 --> 0:01:59.320 when you're looking at the person's you know, wherever the 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:01.640 implant is, that you can recognize what the shape is. 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:03.560 Otherwise it's just gonna look like a lump, like a blob, 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:06.600 and that's kind of way. Yeah. So usually it's a 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:10.040 fairly distinctive, simple shape that is designed to create a 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:13.160 visible bulge in wherever the person has chosen to have 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:18.560 the implant. So stars, hearts, beads, sometimes you just round 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:22.200 beads are are the most common form that I've seen. Yeah. Uh, 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:26.280 And to do this again this now, when we're starting 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:29.000 to get into these levels we're really talking about. You 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:32.040 need to do your research because now we're getting into 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:36.600 surgical procedures. Anytime they're making an actual cavity. In fact, 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:39.280 pocketing kind of fits in this too. Anytime they're making 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:43.000 an actual cavity in your body. Now you're talking serious 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:46.720 surgical procedure. You need to make sure that the person 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:49.840 who's going to be performing it is not only sterilizing 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:53.919 all their equipment, but that they are experienced in doing this. Preferably, 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:56.680 you would like to find a body modification specialist who 0:02:56.680 --> 0:03:01.239 has medical training. Uh, it is, I leave. It's technically 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:05.399 illegal for people without medical depends on where you are, Yeah, 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:08.639 it's it varies by state and their regionality. Right, there's 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:11.799 some states that are like, whoa, We totally didn't ever 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:14.480 think anyone would do that, So we don't have anything 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:18.040 on the law. However, serving pretzels with beer is still terrible, right, 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:21.280 we've actual law still in the books in some places. 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:24.119 So if you want to talk about crazy laws. Where 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:26.200 I grew up, it's illegal to eat fried chicken with 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:27.960 a fork and knife. You have to eat it with 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:30.760 your fingers. You are joking, are joking? I'd say a 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:32.880 horse walks into a bar and bartender says, why the 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:36.560 long face? I am being perfectly serious. However, I should 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:40.040 add that this was a publicity stunt because Kentucky Fried 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:43.120 Chicken opened up a branch in Gainsville, Georgia, and Gainsville, 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:45.240 George's the poultry cabinal of the world, and so as 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:47.280 a publicity stunt, they made it illegal to eat fried 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:49.560 chicken with a fork and knife. So it was a 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:53.080 joke law on the first place. I am completely horrified 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:56.240 by our legal system right now. I'm a rural bumpkin. 0:03:56.520 --> 0:03:59.640 So anyway, um, yeah, so not a lot of not 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:03.160 every place has legislation on this, because frankly, people didn't 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:07.880 think I was gonna do it. But really, what's going 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:10.760 on here? Here, here's the process. They make a surgical incision. 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:14.960 By the way, you might be lucky and get some 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:17.480 kind of anesthetic for this, but more likely than not, 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:19.599 you're you're not going to get it because an aesthetic 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:23.440 that is perhaps a topical anesthetic maybe maybe because I 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:25.040 think you can get a hold of those pretty easy. 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:28.520 You might just get some ice on the area before 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:32.440 they get started to numb it. Because anesthetic that is legislated, 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:37.680 that's heavily controlled in most places, so most places don't 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:42.600 have any kind of authority, they can't use it. So 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:45.120 you have to be willing to endure this without any 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:49.800 like actual super anesthetic. So they make a surgical incision 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:53.680 and then they insert something called a dermal elevator. Tell me, 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:56.120 tell me what a dermal elevator is, Jonathan, Well, it's 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:58.719 not it's not gonna have otis on it, so it's 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:04.960 not mechanic. It's uh, well, you know, there's no moving parts. 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:07.640 Is mechanic in the sense that you have to put 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:10.920 mechanical stress on the end of it. Okay, So imagine 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:15.000 a spatula or a butter knife that's medical grade so 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:19.720 sterilized all that you've made an incision. The artist that 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:24.000 inserts the dermal elevator under the flap of skin between 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:27.680 the subcutest and facial layers and just just levers it, 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:30.080 levers it up a little bit. Yeah, and I'm just 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:33.400 slip whatever, separating the tissues so that there can be 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:38.440 something instead there and making essentially an internal pocket inside 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:46.200 that area. And then um gently perhaps actually usually it's 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:49.400 not so gentle. They there's a pretty Usually it's a 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:53.720 pretty sharp swift push of the You know, honestly, it's 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:55.560 a band aid off kind of situation. I would rather, 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:57.599 you know, if if I were going to do that, 0:05:57.640 --> 0:06:01.120 I would rather happening quickly. They put the plant underneath 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:04.560 that layer and then they suture it sate close. Now 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:07.520 we're talking like again. Now you gotta worry also that 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:11.040 the implant itself has got to be absolutely very sterile, 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:15.479 very sterile. Originally it was stainless steel grade, which could 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:18.479 cause problems, so they did switch. Yeah, today it's a 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:25.680 silicone or silicon. I'm sorry, right, and then corrected myself, 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:28.919 It's okay, it's okay. We'll get to silicon later because 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:32.760 we're talking about Mr Warwick. But but he's at the end. Um. Yeah, 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:36.599 so yeah, it's silicone. They also sometimes use implant grade teflon, 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:40.160 but that's more rare. Silicone is by far the most 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:44.400 common stuff they used to make these designs, right, and 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:47.720 they shove that in sutured into place. There's there's a 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:52.080 high risk here of multiple things going wrong, and healing 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:55.160 from these things takes a long time, much longer than 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:59.960 a tattoo, much longer than a typical piercing. Um, we're 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:04.360 talking months and months and months of healing. So, uh, 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:07.600 there's obviously the danger of infection, that's a big one. 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:10.760 There's also the danger that your body rejects the implant, 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:13.640 that your body essentially identifies the implant as something that 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:15.720 is trying, yeah, something that's trying to hurt it. And 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:19.760 in this case, you would then you know, suffer some 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:24.040 pretty some pretty irritating side effects until you either we're 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:27.720 able to treat those symptoms or you would have the 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:30.480 the implant removed. Not keep in mind this implants also 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:34.120 going to possibly shift things around a little bit, so 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:37.200 you might not look the way you did before the implant. 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:40.040 Once you have an implant taken out, you could have 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:43.880 plastic surgery to have that corrected. So plastic surgeons, it's 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:48.080 perfectly reasonable. It's within societal norms. It's what they do. 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:51.200 It's perfectly reasonable for them to alter a person's experience 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:55.560 appearance to be closer to whatever the special ideal is, 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:58.840 not whatever they want, just the social ideal. If it's 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:01.200 outside the social idea, like, if it's outside the social 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:03.480 norm they are not allowed to do it. Really, yes, 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:07.760 plastic surgeons are not allowed to do subdermal implants. Transdermal implants, 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:09.440 some of these other things we're gonna be talking about. 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:13.760 In general, it is against their oath to do that. 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:17.040 They can make someone look more like everybody else, but 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:22.240 they can't make someone look less like everybody else. Crazy, right, Yeah, 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:25.600 because too weird Like Ugly is Pretty Territory, which is 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:27.680 a young adult series that I don't know if anyone 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:29.360 listening to the show has has read. They were they 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:32.720 were cute books, um, but I takes about a dystopian 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:35.520 future wherein everyone gets a lot of plastic surgery. I 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:38.040 definitely take issue too with it, just from the idea 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:42.160 of it's okay for for for you to alter a 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:44.680 person's appearance in one sas circumstances but not in the 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:48.160 other and not hurting anyone. And it's like, well, what's 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:51.720 normal do you write? And for body modification? I would 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:55.319 prefer it if there were plastic surgeons who could do this, 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:57.280 because they're the ones who are going to do it 0:08:57.320 --> 0:09:01.640 in the most safe way. Hypothetically. Hypothetically, Yeah, we have 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:05.000 a story about that too, because I've got a there's 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:09.200 a guy, boy, is there a guy so subdermal? We've 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:11.640 got this, You've got the whole healing. The healing process 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:15.000 is slow. You've got the danger of rejection, danger of 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:19.320 infection um and then risk of damage to any other 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:22.360 tissue that's surrounding. I mean, for for example, nerves running 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:24.640 through your skin. If you if you mess with one, 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:28.640 bad stuff can happen. That can technically happen in any piercing, 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:32.439 you know. But but but you know, the larger the 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:35.120 the operation, the greater the risks, right, I mean, just 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:38.679 that makes sense. Uh, and uh you know that. So yeah, 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:41.520 dangerous stuff, and I would prefer it if it could 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:45.920 be done by medical professionals. But that's a that's an issue. 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:52.679 Another interesting one is um dermal anchors or transdermal implants. Oh, this, 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:54.360 this is one. This is one that you just like. Okay, 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:56.600 so it doesn't I don't dislike it. But I don't know. 0:09:56.679 --> 0:10:01.160 I can't decide whether these subdermal ones or the transdermal 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:06.760 ones are the ones that make me feel the most uncomfortable. 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:10.560 I really enjoyed reading about the transdermal ones. They're actually 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:13.440 it's fascinating. Okay, So so what these do. They're they're 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:16.560 like a subdermal implant in that you are you are 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:21.640 implanting or a trained professional with sterile materials is implanting 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:24.000 a little bit of something into your skin, but a 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:26.360 little bit of that little bit sticks out and the 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:30.439 skin heels around it, and therefore you have something that's 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:36.280 visible that frequently will allow you to to screw different 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:41.559 studs in and out to change the appearance of your implant. Yeah, 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:45.800 so for subdermal obviously subdermal, meaning that it's completely under 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:48.400 the skin, So you're just looking at a design that 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:51.880 that is in your flesh. In your flesh, transdermal trans 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:55.560 gives you that there's the hint there. It goes branches. 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:58.360 So you could have a designed so it looks like 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:02.040 you've been uh paled by something theoretically, or you could 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:04.199 have spikes along your head, which, by the way, seems 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:07.000 to be the most popular implementation of this particular kind 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:08.800 of implant that I have seen. In all the body 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:11.120 modification research I did, I've seen a lot of a 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:13.840 lot of little flat metal pieces that look like they're 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:17.880 just inlaid directly into your skinner or gemstones for fancy occasions, 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:20.360 if you're attending the Academy Awards and you don't want 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:23.360 your your spikes to impale someone when you give them 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:24.920 a hug on the red carpet, you switched to the 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:27.160 gem stone. I would I would keep the spikes, um, 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:31.040 but you would, you know. And it looks a little 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:34.280 bit like a like a very fancy mole. Yeah, a 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:38.120 lot of the time. So interesting. Another interesting bit here 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:42.640 is there. I remember seeing a video of this years ago, 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:45.880 and the story actually turns out to be pretty awful 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:48.040 as it goes on. But I remember a story about 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:52.360 a guy who invented an approach to two pays that 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:55.319 was a little extreme. I thought, I thought, wow, this 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:58.959 is preferable to hair loss. But his approach to two 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:03.599 pays was to do a transdermal implant that was snaps. 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:06.360 So you would have four snaps. I think it was four, 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:08.360 might have been more than that, but four snaps on 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:13.000 implanted underneath the skin of the subdermal plugs. Yeah. And 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:16.560 then and then you would be had the other snaps 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:18.120 on the other side, on the underside, right, and you 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:21.520 would knock it in and it had this great sound 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:24.160 when he was putting it into place, like it sounded like, 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:28.240 you know, like that that's why it sounded like each time. 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:31.560 And so I remember seeing this and thinking like this 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:35.200 is extreme. Who the heck? I mean as a bald man, 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:38.839 and I'm not I'm not bald by choice. Yeah, this 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:42.600 was this choice was forced upon me. Uh. I was like, yeah, 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:47.079 I think I choose bald that But anyway, the story 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:50.880 actually has a pretty horrifying turn. So Anthony pig Nataro 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:53.000 as the name of the plastic surgeon who came up 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:56.400 with us. First of all, um one of his patients 0:12:57.040 --> 0:13:00.640 that he was operating on died. Uh it was I 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:04.200 think it was breast augmentation surgery, and she she died 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:09.439 during the process, and and he had a whole uh 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:12.320 legal problem with that, and you know, I had to 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:16.960 deal with that. Then. To make things even more tragic 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:21.200 and and horrifying, he gets out of prison and his 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:23.680 wife starts to get sick and it looks like she 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:26.440 has pancreatitis, and in fact there's the possibility that they 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:29.040 might need to have a surgery, and he really advocates 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:31.960 for the surgery, and she gets a little suspicious about 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:33.839 what's going on, and then it turns out she finds 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:37.120 out he's been poisoning her with arsenic Oh yeah, right, 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:42.600 So he goes like an upstanding citizen, Yeah, nice dude. Um, 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:46.040 so yeah, he gets he gets charged with a various 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:52.000 various poisoning related charges. Um, I think I think he 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:56.280 might be able to get out of jail this year. Actually, uh, 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:58.959 and was he was contesting last I saw he was 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:02.760 contesting a decision from the judge that upon his release, 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:05.200 he would be required to be under some form of 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:09.400 supervision for another five years. And apparently he stated that 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:13.240 because that was not told to him at his previous trial, 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:17.040 it cannot hold up because he was not informed of 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:19.440 that at the time when he should have been. So 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:22.760 he's saying that it's a legal uh mistake that was 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:24.920 made and so therefore he should not be under supervision. 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:29.120 The d A in this case has essentially called him 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:32.760 a sociopath. So not a happy story. But that was 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:34.640 the very first time I had ever seen anything about 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:37.760 transdermal implants. It was this thing, this tupe a thing. 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:39.520 I had never seen it before. I was a kid 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:41.800 at the time, or at least a teenager when I 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:45.080 saw this this video. And uh, now, I mean, it's 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:46.680 not like I know a lot of people who have 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:49.560 transdermal implants, but I have seen them, especially if you 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:51.840 go to places like Dragon con you see all sorts 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:55.000 of folks in various subcultures there. Hey, guys, I just 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:58.440 had to take a break from putting magnets in my kneecaps. 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:03.040 Don't ask why, but we're going to take a quick break. 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:13.120 I think that I've actually muddied our waters here and 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:17.680 confused transdermal air and microdermal, and well they're very similar. 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:20.960 Microdermal is really just a subset of transdermal. Okay, so 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:24.520 microdermal really the big difference there is that they try 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:29.120 to use smaller surface anchors, which are the little flat 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:31.920 parts that that go underneath the skin. So those are 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:35.280 the parts that are uh, that are are under your 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:38.680 skin so that it holds the jewelry in place but there, 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:40.720 and they tend to be the smaller things, like the 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:43.720 little gemstones or whatever. But you could just as well 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:45.960 do that with transdermal if you wanted to. Transdermal does 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:48.600 tend to look like it tends to be applied to 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:52.040 stuff that's bigger. Microdermal same sort of approach. If you've 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:55.480 ever seen anyone who has like this little jewel stone 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:58.680 just sticking out someplace from their body, and that doesn't 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:00.320 seem like you could normally it's not like a like 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:02.400 a labre piercing or something. You know, it's it's next 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:05.280 to their eyeball right, So it's a possibility that it's 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:09.760 a microdermal implant. Uh. These implants tend to have a 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:14.080 lower rejection rate than transdermal and subdermal. Do doesn't mean 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:17.360 that you're going to get away without any problems, but 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:20.520 it does mean that the odds are better. Um, they 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:24.120 tend to have holes in the base, the flat part 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:26.480 that goes under the skin, and those holes are meant 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:30.240 for tissue to grow through them to help. Yeah, so 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:33.920 it's supposed to provide stability. Now, of course that means 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:36.920 that you have to wait through the healing process. And again, 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:38.720 you don't want to get one of these somewhere where 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:41.240 you're gonna brush it against stuff all the time, because 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:43.200 that's just gonna make the healing process take even longer. 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:46.280 It also increases the chance of rejection. There's also something 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:50.320 called migration, which is pretty much what it sounds like. Uh, 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:53.960 stuff can move around a bit, and you don't want 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:55.480 that because then you're going to get an effect that 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:59.600 was not what you wanted. And there's also the idea 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:03.600 of you know, like surface piercings, which are kind of similar. 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:07.919 Like surface piercings are um these are the piercings that 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:10.720 involve longer pieces of jewelry that go through the whole. 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:14.199 So we're talking like surface piercings might be above your 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:17.200 hip bone. You might have seen some people who have those, 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:20.360 or it can be uh, you know, along an arm 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:23.679 or whatever. These are longer pieces of jewelry, sometimes several 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:26.919 inches long or more like two inches long. They go 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:30.360 underneath the skin, you see the ends of it. From 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:33.840 what I understand from the sources i've read, surface piercing 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:35.879 is one of those things that's best left as a 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:39.240 temporary jewelry. So in other words, you use it for 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:41.359 whatever you're going to do. Like maybe you're part of 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:44.080 a performance art and you want to have the corset 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:46.760 look along your back. I've seen that where people have 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:49.879 had surface piercings that are hoops all down their backs 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:53.560 and then they laces together like it's a corset, uh 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:55.480 and not pulling the way that of course it would, 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:58.080 but the design is created in a way that would 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:01.160 look like there might there might be a little tension 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:04.520 just to give the full effect, but not like tied tight. 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:07.040 You would not want to do that. Um, it's by 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:10.240 the way, I have seen that. It is a dramatic effect, 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:15.400 pretty gorgeous. It's Yeah. Even even someone who's yeah I see, 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:19.040 I'm like, wow, that's pretty incredible. Yeah, it definitely. It 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:23.040 makes you look twice well again, better left as more 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:26.600 of a temporary thing, because there are issues with migration 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:30.000 with those two where you know your your skin is 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:32.240 a living thing. It's it's the largest organ on your body, 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:35.520 as everyone knows, and it does stuff. It doesn't just 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:39.959 stay put. Yeah, so that's that's something else to keep 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:42.359 me behind, Like stuff don't stay where you thought it would. 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:46.280 Now we get to uh, super fun times, right, this 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:48.200 is this next one is one day. I'm just gonna 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:51.600 cry for the rest of this podcast. Jonathan came to 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:54.359 my desk earlier and was just like, why did I 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:57.240 watch the video? Want I do people in the Netherlands 0:18:57.240 --> 0:19:00.080 do this to their eyes? We are about to talk 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:07.240 about eyeball implant, yeah, also called eye piercing. Yeah. Why 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:11.080 so In two thousand two, the Netherlands Institute for Innovative 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:16.480 Ocular Surgery developed an implant. It goes into the superficial 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:21.200 interpalperable conjunctiva in the eye, which is essentially the white 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:24.040 of your eyes. It's it's this clera. Yeah, it's it's 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:27.880 a which is a protective layer that that wraps around 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:31.159 the eye from the cornea in the front all the 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:32.960 way to the ocular nerve in the back. It's a 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:36.679 it's horrifying people. I mean, okay, I don't I don't judge. 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:39.960 I don't judge. If you're from the Netherlands and you've 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:43.600 had this process, you are insane. But I'm not judging. 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:49.040 I'm just making an observation. No, okay, okay, all joking aside. Yeah, 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:52.520 this is an implant. They take a platinum alloy, which 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:54.879 is the jewelry itself, and the jewelry tends to be 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:57.040 a very tiny and very simple shape. In fact, there's 0:19:57.040 --> 0:19:59.119 only a few shapes that are even available, things like 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:01.920 the one I kept say was hearts. So the procedure 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:05.600 involves immobilizing both eyes. They use an esthetic drops. This 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:07.199 is very similar to the kind of stuff you might 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:09.840 get if you were to go get laser eye surgery. 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:12.159 It's a good thing Chris isn't here because he would 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:15.000 totally flip our laser eye surgery. He turned a shade 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:18.560 of green I have never seen before. Yeah. So anyway, 0:20:18.880 --> 0:20:24.160 they then they then cut a little pocket into your eye. 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:27.000 Just this is essentially the same thing as the surface 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:29.520 anchors that you see, uh for the other kind of 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:31.760 implants we've talked about, but in this case, it's smaller 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:35.080 and it's in your eyes and you'r and they put 0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:38.399 this little implant so that the the design of whatever 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:41.960 it is is laying flat against your eyeball. So you 0:20:41.960 --> 0:20:43.479 you if you were looking at someone who had one 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:46.800 of these, you'd see their pupil, which would be unaffected 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:48.480 because obviously you don't want to do anything that's going 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:51.320 to affect the person's vision. And then next to it, 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:53.280 if they were looking off to either the left or right, 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:56.320 depending on what side they got it on, um, you 0:20:56.320 --> 0:21:00.199 would then see the little piece of jewelry. Uh. This 0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:03.800 is not legal anywhere outside of the Netherlands, and in fact, 0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:05.440 I think there are places in the United States that 0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:10.080 are actively uh making it illegal because before it ends 0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:12.880 up taking off somewhere else because I guess they saw 0:21:12.920 --> 0:21:19.399 pictures of it, went no way. Yeah, that's essentially the response. Yeah, 0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:21.080 and then uh oh, in order to do this. By 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:23.920 the way, they with that that incision, there's more than 0:21:23.960 --> 0:21:27.879 just the incision. Then they inject liquid between the layers 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:30.159 of the eyeball where the implant space will go. So 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:33.959 I actually did watch a video of this procedure, and 0:21:34.000 --> 0:21:36.040 then I needed to go to my happy place for 0:21:36.080 --> 0:21:37.960 a while, which by the way was farm Burgger. I 0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:40.280 was actually able to eat. I wasn't so upset that 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:42.399 they couldn't heat. You have to make me really upset 0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:44.840 before I can't eat. Another fun thing that you can 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:48.639 do to to the white of your eye is tattooing 0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:53.840 UM back in supposedly back and I surgeon tattooed to 0:21:53.920 --> 0:21:56.960 fake people onto the all white eye of of a 0:21:56.960 --> 0:21:59.560 man who had lost sight as a child due to 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:02.320 is an ivy exposure. So this was an attempt to 0:22:02.400 --> 0:22:06.440 give this man something a normal appearance, right UM and 0:22:07.200 --> 0:22:10.000 in modern not in modern times, but in the in 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:13.200 the late eighteen hundreds and early nine hundreds, UM eye 0:22:13.200 --> 0:22:16.520 doctors would inject inc into patient's eyes to cover up 0:22:16.560 --> 0:22:21.320 UM disfiguring corneal scars. UH. This this process is no 0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:26.760 longer really necessary because UH procedures reconstructive surgery has has 0:22:26.760 --> 0:22:29.800 improved to the point that it's okay, but um but yeah. 0:22:29.920 --> 0:22:32.920 As as of two thousand seven, at a Canadian body 0:22:32.960 --> 0:22:39.720 mod convention, the three volunteers UM had ink injected with hypodermics. 0:22:40.200 --> 0:22:43.639 Regular tattoo needles were not working out. They tried and 0:22:46.080 --> 0:22:50.800