1 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to text Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host, 3 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with I Heart Radio 4 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 1: and love all things tech and getting faster and faster 5 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: with those, aren't I. It is time for another classic 6 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: episode of tech Stuff. This one has the title mod 7 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: That Bod Body Modification. Seriously cool and sometimes weird and 8 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 1: sometimes disturbing stuff. This episode originally published on August two 9 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: thousand thirteen. Hope you guys enjoy it. We talked about piercing. 10 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: Let's talk about actually putting stuff under the skin. Other 11 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 1: lots of different versions of this. Now subdermal. The hint 12 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: is in the name, right, sub dermal, So it's beneath 13 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: so so so so Again, the epidermis is the skin 14 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: that you can poke. The derm this is the more 15 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: permanent layer below that. And then and then you've got 16 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: subdermal fatty some other layers and we'll talk about a 17 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: couple of them. Uh So, Yeah, the subcutest is this 18 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: layer below the dermists. Actually, subdermal implants go between the 19 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: subcutest lick layer and the facia, which is the fibrous 20 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: tissue that serves as connective tissue. So this is pretty 21 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 1: deep stuff. And the reason for that is these are 22 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: shapes that people put under their skin so they protrude outward. Normally, 23 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: it's in some places fairly visible, like your forehead, not 24 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: my forehead, I'm not going to do this a person's 25 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: hypothetical person's forehead or forehead, forearmed, sometimes the collar bone area. Uh, 26 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: really can be anywhere, but these are the typical places 27 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: it tends to be. And so people who are into 28 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,639 Speaker 1: this kind of body modification will usually pick a fairly 29 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: simple shape because it needs to stand out when you 30 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: when you're looking at the person's you know, wherever the 31 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: implant is, that you can recognize what the shape is. 32 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: Otherwise it's just gonna look like a lump, like a blob, 33 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: and that's kind of way. Yeah. So usually it's a 34 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: fairly distinctive, simple shape that is designed to create a 35 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: visible bulge in wherever the person has chosen to have 36 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: the implant. So stars, hearts, beads, sometimes you just round 37 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: beads are are the most common form that I've seen. Yeah. Uh, 38 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: And to do this again this now, when we're starting 39 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: to get into these levels we're really talking about. You 40 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: need to do your research because now we're getting into 41 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: surgical procedures. Anytime they're making an actual cavity. In fact, 42 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: pocketing kind of fits in this too. Anytime they're making 43 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: an actual cavity in your body. Now you're talking serious 44 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: surgical procedure. You need to make sure that the person 45 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: who's going to be performing it is not only sterilizing 46 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: all their equipment, but that they are experienced in doing this. Preferably, 47 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: you would like to find a body modification specialist who 48 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 1: has medical training. Uh, it is, I leave. It's technically 49 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:05,399 Speaker 1: illegal for people without medical depends on where you are, Yeah, 50 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: it's it varies by state and their regionality. Right, there's 51 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 1: some states that are like, whoa, We totally didn't ever 52 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: think anyone would do that, So we don't have anything 53 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: on the law. However, serving pretzels with beer is still terrible, right, 54 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: we've actual law still in the books in some places. 55 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,119 Speaker 1: So if you want to talk about crazy laws. Where 56 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: I grew up, it's illegal to eat fried chicken with 57 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: a fork and knife. You have to eat it with 58 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: your fingers. You are joking, are joking? I'd say a 59 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: horse walks into a bar and bartender says, why the 60 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: long face? I am being perfectly serious. However, I should 61 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: add that this was a publicity stunt because Kentucky Fried 62 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: Chicken opened up a branch in Gainsville, Georgia, and Gainsville, 63 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: George's the poultry cabinal of the world, and so as 64 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: a publicity stunt, they made it illegal to eat fried 65 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: chicken with a fork and knife. So it was a 66 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: joke law on the first place. I am completely horrified 67 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: by our legal system right now. I'm a rural bumpkin. 68 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: So anyway, um, yeah, so not a lot of not 69 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: every place has legislation on this, because frankly, people didn't 70 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: think I was gonna do it. But really, what's going 71 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: on here? Here, here's the process. They make a surgical incision. 72 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: By the way, you might be lucky and get some 73 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 1: kind of anesthetic for this, but more likely than not, 74 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 1: you're you're not going to get it because an aesthetic 75 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: that is perhaps a topical anesthetic maybe maybe because I 76 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: think you can get a hold of those pretty easy. 77 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: You might just get some ice on the area before 78 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: they get started to numb it. Because anesthetic that is legislated, 79 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: that's heavily controlled in most places, so most places don't 80 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: have any kind of authority, they can't use it. So 81 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: you have to be willing to endure this without any 82 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: like actual super anesthetic. So they make a surgical incision 83 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: and then they insert something called a dermal elevator. Tell me, 84 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: tell me what a dermal elevator is, Jonathan, Well, it's 85 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: not it's not gonna have otis on it, so it's 86 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: not mechanic. It's uh, well, you know, there's no moving parts. 87 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: Is mechanic in the sense that you have to put 88 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: mechanical stress on the end of it. Okay, So imagine 89 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: a spatula or a butter knife that's medical grade so 90 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: sterilized all that you've made an incision. The artist that 91 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: inserts the dermal elevator under the flap of skin between 92 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: the subcutest and facial layers and just just levers it, 93 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: levers it up a little bit. Yeah, and I'm just 94 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: slip whatever, separating the tissues so that there can be 95 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: something instead there and making essentially an internal pocket inside 96 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: that area. And then um gently perhaps actually usually it's 97 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: not so gentle. They there's a pretty Usually it's a 98 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 1: pretty sharp swift push of the You know, honestly, it's 99 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: a band aid off kind of situation. I would rather, 100 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 1: you know, if if I were going to do that, 101 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: I would rather happening quickly. They put the plant underneath 102 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: that layer and then they suture it sate close. Now 103 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: we're talking like again. Now you gotta worry also that 104 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: the implant itself has got to be absolutely very sterile, 105 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 1: very sterile. Originally it was stainless steel grade, which could 106 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 1: cause problems, so they did switch. Yeah, today it's a 107 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: silicone or silicon. I'm sorry, right, and then corrected myself, 108 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 1: It's okay, it's okay. We'll get to silicon later because 109 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: we're talking about Mr Warwick. But but he's at the end. Um. Yeah, 110 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: so yeah, it's silicone. They also sometimes use implant grade teflon, 111 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: but that's more rare. Silicone is by far the most 112 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: common stuff they used to make these designs, right, and 113 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 1: they shove that in sutured into place. There's there's a 114 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: high risk here of multiple things going wrong, and healing 115 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: from these things takes a long time, much longer than 116 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: a tattoo, much longer than a typical piercing. Um, we're 117 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: talking months and months and months of healing. So, uh, 118 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 1: there's obviously the danger of infection, that's a big one. 119 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: There's also the danger that your body rejects the implant, 120 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: that your body essentially identifies the implant as something that 121 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: is trying, yeah, something that's trying to hurt it. And 122 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: in this case, you would then you know, suffer some 123 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: pretty some pretty irritating side effects until you either we're 124 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: able to treat those symptoms or you would have the 125 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: the implant removed. Not keep in mind this implants also 126 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: going to possibly shift things around a little bit, so 127 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: you might not look the way you did before the implant. 128 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: Once you have an implant taken out, you could have 129 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: plastic surgery to have that corrected. So plastic surgeons, it's 130 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: perfectly reasonable. It's within societal norms. It's what they do. 131 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: It's perfectly reasonable for them to alter a person's experience 132 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: appearance to be closer to whatever the special ideal is, 133 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: not whatever they want, just the social ideal. If it's 134 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: outside the social idea, like, if it's outside the social 135 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: norm they are not allowed to do it. Really, yes, 136 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: plastic surgeons are not allowed to do subdermal implants. Transdermal implants, 137 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: some of these other things we're gonna be talking about. 138 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: In general, it is against their oath to do that. 139 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: They can make someone look more like everybody else, but 140 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: they can't make someone look less like everybody else. Crazy, right, Yeah, 141 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: because too weird Like Ugly is Pretty Territory, which is 142 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: a young adult series that I don't know if anyone 143 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: listening to the show has has read. They were they 144 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: were cute books, um, but I takes about a dystopian 145 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: future wherein everyone gets a lot of plastic surgery. I 146 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: definitely take issue too with it, just from the idea 147 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: of it's okay for for for you to alter a 148 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 1: person's appearance in one sas circumstances but not in the 149 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: other and not hurting anyone. And it's like, well, what's 150 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: normal do you write? And for body modification? I would 151 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 1: prefer it if there were plastic surgeons who could do this, 152 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: because they're the ones who are going to do it 153 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: in the most safe way. Hypothetically. Hypothetically, Yeah, we have 154 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: a story about that too, because I've got a there's 155 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: a guy, boy, is there a guy so subdermal? We've 156 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: got this, You've got the whole healing. The healing process 157 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: is slow. You've got the danger of rejection, danger of 158 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: infection um and then risk of damage to any other 159 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: tissue that's surrounding. I mean, for for example, nerves running 160 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: through your skin. If you if you mess with one, 161 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: bad stuff can happen. That can technically happen in any piercing, 162 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 1: you know. But but but you know, the larger the 163 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: the operation, the greater the risks, right, I mean, just 164 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 1: that makes sense. Uh, and uh you know that. So yeah, 165 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: dangerous stuff, and I would prefer it if it could 166 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: be done by medical professionals. But that's a that's an issue. 167 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: Another interesting one is um dermal anchors or transdermal implants. Oh, this, 168 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: this is one. This is one that you just like. Okay, 169 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: so it doesn't I don't dislike it. But I don't know. 170 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: I can't decide whether these subdermal ones or the transdermal 171 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: ones are the ones that make me feel the most uncomfortable. 172 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed reading about the transdermal ones. They're actually 173 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: it's fascinating. Okay, So so what these do. They're they're 174 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: like a subdermal implant in that you are you are 175 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: implanting or a trained professional with sterile materials is implanting 176 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: a little bit of something into your skin, but a 177 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: little bit of that little bit sticks out and the 178 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 1: skin heels around it, and therefore you have something that's 179 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: visible that frequently will allow you to to screw different 180 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 1: studs in and out to change the appearance of your implant. Yeah, 181 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: so for subdermal obviously subdermal, meaning that it's completely under 182 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: the skin, So you're just looking at a design that 183 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: that is in your flesh. In your flesh, transdermal trans 184 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 1: gives you that there's the hint there. It goes branches. 185 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: So you could have a designed so it looks like 186 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: you've been uh paled by something theoretically, or you could 187 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 1: have spikes along your head, which, by the way, seems 188 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: to be the most popular implementation of this particular kind 189 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: of implant that I have seen. In all the body 190 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: modification research I did, I've seen a lot of a 191 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: lot of little flat metal pieces that look like they're 192 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: just inlaid directly into your skinner or gemstones for fancy occasions, 193 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: if you're attending the Academy Awards and you don't want 194 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: your your spikes to impale someone when you give them 195 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: a hug on the red carpet, you switched to the 196 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: gem stone. I would I would keep the spikes, um, 197 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: but you would, you know. And it looks a little 198 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: bit like a like a very fancy mole. Yeah, a 199 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: lot of the time. So interesting. Another interesting bit here 200 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: is there. I remember seeing a video of this years ago, 201 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: and the story actually turns out to be pretty awful 202 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: as it goes on. But I remember a story about 203 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: a guy who invented an approach to two pays that 204 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,319 Speaker 1: was a little extreme. I thought, I thought, wow, this 205 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,959 Speaker 1: is preferable to hair loss. But his approach to two 206 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:03,599 Speaker 1: pays was to do a transdermal implant that was snaps. 207 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: So you would have four snaps. I think it was four, 208 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: might have been more than that, but four snaps on 209 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: implanted underneath the skin of the subdermal plugs. Yeah. And 210 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: then and then you would be had the other snaps 211 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: on the other side, on the underside, right, and you 212 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: would knock it in and it had this great sound 213 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: when he was putting it into place, like it sounded like, 214 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: you know, like that that's why it sounded like each time. 215 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: And so I remember seeing this and thinking like this 216 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: is extreme. Who the heck? I mean as a bald man, 217 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,839 Speaker 1: and I'm not I'm not bald by choice. Yeah, this 218 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: was this choice was forced upon me. Uh. I was like, yeah, 219 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:47,079 Speaker 1: I think I choose bald that But anyway, the story 220 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: actually has a pretty horrifying turn. So Anthony pig Nataro 221 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: as the name of the plastic surgeon who came up 222 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: with us. First of all, um one of his patients 223 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: that he was operating on died. Uh it was I 224 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: think it was breast augmentation surgery, and she she died 225 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 1: during the process, and and he had a whole uh 226 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: legal problem with that, and you know, I had to 227 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: deal with that. Then. To make things even more tragic 228 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 1: and and horrifying, he gets out of prison and his 229 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 1: wife starts to get sick and it looks like she 230 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: has pancreatitis, and in fact there's the possibility that they 231 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: might need to have a surgery, and he really advocates 232 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: for the surgery, and she gets a little suspicious about 233 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:33,839 Speaker 1: what's going on, and then it turns out she finds 234 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: out he's been poisoning her with arsenic Oh yeah, right, 235 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: So he goes like an upstanding citizen, Yeah, nice dude. Um, 236 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: so yeah, he gets he gets charged with a various 237 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: various poisoning related charges. Um, I think I think he 238 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: might be able to get out of jail this year. Actually, uh, 239 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,959 Speaker 1: and was he was contesting last I saw he was 240 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: contesting a decision from the judge that upon his release, 241 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 1: he would be required to be under some form of 242 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: supervision for another five years. And apparently he stated that 243 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: because that was not told to him at his previous trial, 244 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: it cannot hold up because he was not informed of 245 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: that at the time when he should have been. So 246 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: he's saying that it's a legal uh mistake that was 247 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: made and so therefore he should not be under supervision. 248 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: The d A in this case has essentially called him 249 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: a sociopath. So not a happy story. But that was 250 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: the very first time I had ever seen anything about 251 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: transdermal implants. It was this thing, this tupe a thing. 252 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: I had never seen it before. I was a kid 253 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: at the time, or at least a teenager when I 254 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: saw this this video. And uh, now, I mean, it's 255 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: not like I know a lot of people who have 256 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: transdermal implants, but I have seen them, especially if you 257 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: go to places like Dragon con you see all sorts 258 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: of folks in various subcultures there. Hey, guys, I just 259 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: had to take a break from putting magnets in my kneecaps. 260 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: Don't ask why, but we're going to take a quick break. 261 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: I think that I've actually muddied our waters here and 262 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: confused transdermal air and microdermal, and well they're very similar. 263 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: Microdermal is really just a subset of transdermal. Okay, so 264 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: microdermal really the big difference there is that they try 265 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: to use smaller surface anchors, which are the little flat 266 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: parts that that go underneath the skin. So those are 267 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: the parts that are uh, that are are under your 268 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: skin so that it holds the jewelry in place but there, 269 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: and they tend to be the smaller things, like the 270 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: little gemstones or whatever. But you could just as well 271 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: do that with transdermal if you wanted to. Transdermal does 272 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: tend to look like it tends to be applied to 273 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: stuff that's bigger. Microdermal same sort of approach. If you've 274 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: ever seen anyone who has like this little jewel stone 275 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: just sticking out someplace from their body, and that doesn't 276 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: seem like you could normally it's not like a like 277 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: a labre piercing or something. You know, it's it's next 278 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: to their eyeball right, So it's a possibility that it's 279 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: a microdermal implant. Uh. These implants tend to have a 280 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: lower rejection rate than transdermal and subdermal. Do doesn't mean 281 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: that you're going to get away without any problems, but 282 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: it does mean that the odds are better. Um, they 283 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: tend to have holes in the base, the flat part 284 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: that goes under the skin, and those holes are meant 285 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: for tissue to grow through them to help. Yeah, so 286 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: it's supposed to provide stability. Now, of course that means 287 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: that you have to wait through the healing process. And again, 288 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: you don't want to get one of these somewhere where 289 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: you're gonna brush it against stuff all the time, because 290 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: that's just gonna make the healing process take even longer. 291 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: It also increases the chance of rejection. There's also something 292 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: called migration, which is pretty much what it sounds like. Uh, 293 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: stuff can move around a bit, and you don't want 294 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: that because then you're going to get an effect that 295 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: was not what you wanted. And there's also the idea 296 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: of you know, like surface piercings, which are kind of similar. 297 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 1: Like surface piercings are um these are the piercings that 298 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: involve longer pieces of jewelry that go through the whole. 299 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:14,199 Speaker 1: So we're talking like surface piercings might be above your 300 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 1: hip bone. You might have seen some people who have those, 301 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 1: or it can be uh, you know, along an arm 302 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 1: or whatever. These are longer pieces of jewelry, sometimes several 303 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 1: inches long or more like two inches long. They go 304 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,360 Speaker 1: underneath the skin, you see the ends of it. From 305 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: what I understand from the sources i've read, surface piercing 306 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: is one of those things that's best left as a 307 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: temporary jewelry. So in other words, you use it for 308 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 1: whatever you're going to do. Like maybe you're part of 309 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: a performance art and you want to have the corset 310 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: look along your back. I've seen that where people have 311 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 1: had surface piercings that are hoops all down their backs 312 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: and then they laces together like it's a corset, uh 313 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: and not pulling the way that of course it would, 314 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: but the design is created in a way that would 315 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: look like there might there might be a little tension 316 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: just to give the full effect, but not like tied tight. 317 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: You would not want to do that. Um, it's by 318 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: the way, I have seen that. It is a dramatic effect, 319 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 1: pretty gorgeous. It's Yeah. Even even someone who's yeah I see, 320 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, that's pretty incredible. Yeah, it definitely. It 321 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: makes you look twice well again, better left as more 322 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: of a temporary thing, because there are issues with migration 323 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: with those two where you know your your skin is 324 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: a living thing. It's it's the largest organ on your body, 325 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: as everyone knows, and it does stuff. It doesn't just 326 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:39,959 Speaker 1: stay put. Yeah, so that's that's something else to keep 327 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 1: me behind, Like stuff don't stay where you thought it would. 328 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: Now we get to uh, super fun times, right, this 329 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: is this next one is one day. I'm just gonna 330 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: cry for the rest of this podcast. Jonathan came to 331 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 1: my desk earlier and was just like, why did I 332 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: watch the video? Want I do people in the Netherlands 333 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 1: do this to their eyes? We are about to talk 334 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: about eyeball implant, yeah, also called eye piercing. Yeah. Why 335 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: so In two thousand two, the Netherlands Institute for Innovative 336 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: Ocular Surgery developed an implant. It goes into the superficial 337 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: interpalperable conjunctiva in the eye, which is essentially the white 338 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: of your eyes. It's it's this clera. Yeah, it's it's 339 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 1: a which is a protective layer that that wraps around 340 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: the eye from the cornea in the front all the 341 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: way to the ocular nerve in the back. It's a 342 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 1: it's horrifying people. I mean, okay, I don't I don't judge. 343 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: I don't judge. If you're from the Netherlands and you've 344 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: had this process, you are insane. But I'm not judging. 345 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: I'm just making an observation. No, okay, okay, all joking aside. Yeah, 346 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: this is an implant. They take a platinum alloy, which 347 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: is the jewelry itself, and the jewelry tends to be 348 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: a very tiny and very simple shape. In fact, there's 349 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 1: only a few shapes that are even available, things like 350 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: the one I kept say was hearts. So the procedure 351 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: involves immobilizing both eyes. They use an esthetic drops. This 352 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,199 Speaker 1: is very similar to the kind of stuff you might 353 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: get if you were to go get laser eye surgery. 354 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 1: It's a good thing Chris isn't here because he would 355 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: totally flip our laser eye surgery. He turned a shade 356 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: of green I have never seen before. Yeah. So anyway, 357 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 1: they then they then cut a little pocket into your eye. 358 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: Just this is essentially the same thing as the surface 359 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: anchors that you see, uh for the other kind of 360 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: implants we've talked about, but in this case, it's smaller 361 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: and it's in your eyes and you'r and they put 362 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 1: this little implant so that the the design of whatever 363 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: it is is laying flat against your eyeball. So you 364 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:43,479 Speaker 1: you if you were looking at someone who had one 365 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: of these, you'd see their pupil, which would be unaffected 366 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: because obviously you don't want to do anything that's going 367 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: to affect the person's vision. And then next to it, 368 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: if they were looking off to either the left or right, 369 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: depending on what side they got it on, um, you 370 00:20:56,320 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 1: would then see the little piece of jewelry. Uh. This 371 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: is not legal anywhere outside of the Netherlands, and in fact, 372 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 1: I think there are places in the United States that 373 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: are actively uh making it illegal because before it ends 374 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 1: up taking off somewhere else because I guess they saw 375 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 1: pictures of it, went no way. Yeah, that's essentially the response. Yeah, 376 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: and then uh oh, in order to do this. By 377 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: the way, they with that that incision, there's more than 378 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 1: just the incision. Then they inject liquid between the layers 379 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 1: of the eyeball where the implant space will go. So 380 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,959 Speaker 1: I actually did watch a video of this procedure, and 381 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: then I needed to go to my happy place for 382 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: a while, which by the way was farm Burgger. I 383 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: was actually able to eat. I wasn't so upset that 384 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: they couldn't heat. You have to make me really upset 385 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: before I can't eat. Another fun thing that you can 386 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: do to to the white of your eye is tattooing 387 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: UM back in supposedly back and I surgeon tattooed to 388 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: fake people onto the all white eye of of a 389 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: man who had lost sight as a child due to 390 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: is an ivy exposure. So this was an attempt to 391 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: give this man something a normal appearance, right UM and 392 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: in modern not in modern times, but in the in 393 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: the late eighteen hundreds and early nine hundreds, UM eye 394 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: doctors would inject inc into patient's eyes to cover up 395 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: UM disfiguring corneal scars. UH. This this process is no 396 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: longer really necessary because UH procedures reconstructive surgery has has 397 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: improved to the point that it's okay, but um but yeah. 398 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: As as of two thousand seven, at a Canadian body 399 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: mod convention, the three volunteers UM had ink injected with hypodermics. 400 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: Regular tattoo needles were not working out. They tried and 401 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: Jonathan is so upset by this drill coming at my eye. Yeah. Yeah, 402 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: I can handle my arm or my back, but my eye. 403 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 1: I Supposedly, after about after about forty pricks with a 404 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: tattoo needle, UM, they they gave up that so many 405 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: and and went went into U went in using a hypodermic, 406 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: and and and and died there the whites of their 407 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: eyes blue. Supposedly the ink spread out over the next 408 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,360 Speaker 1: few weeks to cover the entire white of their eye, 409 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: rather than just the portion that had been tattooed. And 410 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: they have blue eyes all over. Supposedly, yeah, and uh 411 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: and and this was inspired by Dunes Freeman, who you 412 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: know are in taking the spice and have the bright 413 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: crazy blue eyes. Spice must flow, Spice must flow. And yeah, 414 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: it's not it's not really legal or recommended. Even the 415 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 1: people who have had it done said, you know, have 416 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: gone on record about the number of terrible things that 417 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 1: can happen if you If you do this then so 418 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: you know, another way you can get blue eyes is 419 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,679 Speaker 1: through arguria, which is just the consumption of lots of silver. 420 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: I don't silver turns your skin blue and your eyes 421 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 1: blue as well. Uh, the whites of your eyes blue. 422 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: Do not do that. Colloidal silver has been a kind 423 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: of a folk cure for certain stuff because silver does 424 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: have antibacterial, anti microbial properties, but the ingestion of it, 425 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 1: it tends to get deposited into your various subcutaneous layers 426 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: and then you I'll show you a picture in a second. 427 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: It looks like Papa Smurf. That's very exciting. Yeah, hey, guys, 428 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,479 Speaker 1: Jonathan from here. Now that my body is totally moded, 429 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna try it out. But that means we're gonna 430 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: take a quick break. We'll be right back. So let's 431 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: talk about some of the high tech stuff. Now we've 432 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: got all those out of the way. And and by 433 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: the way, if any of our listeners have any of 434 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: these body modifications, again, my hat's off to you. You know, 435 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: whatever you do to identify who you are, that's cool 436 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 1: with me. Just blame it on me being a total 437 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 1: boring social norm kind of guy and squeamish about eball, 438 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 1: a little screamish about eyeballs. Sorr. It's a magnet implants 439 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 1: what people are getting magnets implanted in them, like magneto. Yes, 440 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: so we'll not like Magneto didn't have magnets implanted, probably 441 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 1: not on purpose anyway. Now, this this is people who 442 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: want to harness and extra sense. Oh, I see, so 443 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 1: this goes beyond our our normal senses. So you know, 444 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 1: a whole touch and sight and smell and sound and 445 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: taste and uh and uh and and Sheldon Freud supposedly 446 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: this this gives them these are these are magnets that 447 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 1: are subdermally implanted that that give people the ability to 448 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: sense electromagnetic fields. Yes, so the idea here is that 449 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 1: they're very small, and they generally tend to get implanted 450 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 1: a little bit off to the side of the path 451 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 1: of the finger on normally the ring finger on the 452 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: non dominant hand. And the thinking there goes that if 453 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: something goes wrong with the implant, that's the least full finger. Yeah, 454 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 1: that that if you were to suffer any nerve damage 455 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 1: or just that you know, it wouldn't it wouldn't interfere 456 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: with your normal activities because that finger also has the 457 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: least amount of impact when it comes to gripping. So 458 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: and they wanted it to be off to the site obviously, 459 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: because if you had to do an emergency gripping situation, 460 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: like let's say you're rock climbing and you suddenly lose 461 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: your grip and you need to hold onto something, Yeah, 462 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: it could tear out or you could crush it. Um. 463 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: Either way is bad. You know you don't want to 464 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: do that. Also, again, magnets, we're talking about surgery again. 465 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: It's a surgical procedure that's being done usually by people 466 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 1: who are not surgeons. Biohackers tend to be kind of 467 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 1: they're on the forefront of this stuff. You know, they're 468 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: biohackers or grinders. As I found out, they're also called 469 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: um tend to uh to be pretty far ahead of 470 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 1: the curve on this so uh that. Again, the procedure 471 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 1: tends to be done with either some topical local and 472 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: aesthetic or nothing at all. They will create an incision, 473 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 1: insert the magnet, sutur it shut. The magnet is small 474 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 1: and tends to just vibrate when it comes into when 475 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: it comes near something like a magnetic field. So you 476 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: would be able to tell when electricity is flowing through 477 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 1: something because that creates a magnetic field. Right, So you 478 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: would move your hand near something that's that's running electricity 479 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: through it and you're like, oh, I sense it. Yeah. 480 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,880 Speaker 1: So that's the idea, is that you have created a 481 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: brand new sense. Now, granted, this sense is still very 482 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: much aligned with touch, right, it's a it's an advanced 483 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: form of touch. It's extended our touch, and but it 484 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 1: would give you ability to touch stuff that normally you 485 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to, like magnetic fields, electric fields. You'd 486 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: also be able to do cool things like lift paper clips, 487 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: you know, without having to pinch your fingers paper clips. Right, 488 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: I know how much effort it is to pick up 489 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 1: a paper clip. So thank goodness, we've found a solution 490 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: to that problem. Yeah, any fairest material you could stick 491 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 1: to a little bit. The magnets tend to be pretty 492 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: small and not very powerful, so it's not like you 493 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: would go to the refrigerator to get yourself a cool 494 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: drank only to be stuff. Yeah, which would be hilarious, 495 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: but not actually what would happen to you? However, that 496 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,959 Speaker 1: being said, there is one situation I could think of 497 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 1: where you would need to be really careful, and that's 498 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: if you had to get an m R. I yes, 499 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: that that that would be something that you would want. 500 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: Um perhaps you know, printed on a note in your 501 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: wallet or something super powerful magnets there, I mean that 502 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: could rip right through the flush of your finger. Yeah, 503 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: and you could end up with a hole where your 504 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: magnet used to be. Um. Yeah, dangerous stuff. So that's 505 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: one one case where I would think you would need 506 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: to be very careful. Uh. And um, you know, I 507 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: read an interesting article and wired the guy who wrote 508 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: it actually had one of these put into his finger 509 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: as part of the story. I'm like, wow, that's dedicated journalism. 510 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: I do not think I would have done that. He 511 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: also had the problem of the magnet breaking at one point, 512 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: like breaking into pieces, and for a while it wasn't 513 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: working at all, and his finger turned black or part 514 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: of his finger turned black, which you would think would 515 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: be something of a warning sign. But eventually his finger 516 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: got better. He had a little bit of an infection 517 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: from it, but he fought it off and then because 518 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: it's a magnet and eventually reformed itself. Enough so that 519 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: it works again, although he says not quite at the 520 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: level at what it did when he first got it done. Oh, 521 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: bio hackers. So there have also been a couple of 522 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: groups that have created some devices that actually extend abilities 523 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: beyond just detecting magnetic fields. So in this case, they've 524 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: created sensors that can that are tripped from various things 525 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: like it could be a temperature sensor, it could be 526 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: a distance sensor, and when it detects something, it will 527 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: then create a magnetic field which activates the magnet. So 528 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 1: in other words, you're giving yourself even more extrasensory perception abilities. 529 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: One of the demos I saw had a guy with 530 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: a blindfold on who would extend his hand out holding 531 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: one of these devices, uh, and the device would detect 532 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: through I think radio waves kind of like radar when 533 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: he got close to something else, So he could actually 534 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: detect when something was in of him even if he 535 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: couldn't see it. Cool. So so for medical purposes, for example, um, 536 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: we we we could give these to the blind and 537 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: he prepared it could easily be something like that. But 538 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: at the time when I was looking at it, the 539 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: way he was just demonstrating it. It was only when 540 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: he was pretty close that he was able and and 541 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: it was kind of like like if you've ever seen 542 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: someone using a metal detector. It was kind of like 543 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: sweeping across the area before figuring out, Oh, it's it's 544 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: at this point in front of me. But with improvements 545 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: that that would be that's an interesting thing to watch. 546 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: But the whole thing with the demo, I just kept thinking, 547 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: or you could just look because they were they they 548 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: weren't using a blind person as the example. So he's 549 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: just like, wow, this this shirt does take away that 550 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: whole tough thing of looking two feet in front of you, 551 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: But that was me being smart or at this point 552 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: it sounds like or you know, it's it's you could 553 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: just extend your hand the extra two inches and something. 554 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: To be fair, this is early early days of bio hacking. 555 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: It's obviously not something is meant to be rolled out 556 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: to a wide audience, but it's got interesting potential. Then 557 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: we've got r F I D implants. So this is 558 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: where we talk about Kevin Warwick, whom we have spoken about. 559 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: In a previous episode of Tech Stuff, Chris and I 560 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: did an episode I think we talked about cyborgs, and 561 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 1: we brought up Kevin Warwick. He's often referred to as 562 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: one of the early cyborgs, mostly because he's just done 563 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: some kind of pioneering work in implanting technology into himself. 564 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: Uh not personally. He actually had other people performed the procedure, 565 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: but he developed what it was that was going to happen. 566 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: So he's a British you know, mathematician and scientist who, um, 567 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: he worked with some people to have originally a microchip, 568 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 1: a chip transponder implanted in his forearm and they used 569 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: local anesthetic. They did the procedure and it allowed him 570 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: to do things like unlocked doors or turn on lights. Essentially, 571 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: if you've ever worked in a place where they have 572 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: electronic locks and you have a little key card that 573 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: you swipe in front of a a detector we do here, um, 574 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: then that that's the same sort of thing, except that 575 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: instead of a card, he just had to wave his 576 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: arm in front of it, which you know, again is 577 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: showing the potential for the technology. It wasn't meant to 578 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: be like this is going to be part of me 579 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: forever and ever and ever, right right, And it wasn't 580 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: being rolled out to everyone yeah, it's not like everyone 581 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: who worked in that building had to go and get 582 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: surgery so that they could work. But it did allow 583 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: him also to be tracked by a computer whenever he 584 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: was moving through the Department of Cybernetics at the University 585 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: of Reading. And that implant it was not meant to 586 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: be permanent. It was removed after he had done essentially 587 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: I think a couple of weeks of this and sort 588 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: of showing the proof of concept. Now and the Science 589 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: Museum in London, isn't it sure is, or at least 590 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 1: last I heard it is. I mean, I assume it's 591 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: still there. They can track it if it's not. But 592 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: then since then, a lot of people not a lot, 593 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: but several other people have done r F I D. 594 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: Chip implants to kind of do everything from control basic 595 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: electronics to activate other things like doors and lights, um 596 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: And this is the same technology that that if you're 597 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: if your dog or cat or other pet, I suppose 598 00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: you could put them in really whatever you wanted to 599 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: has has a microchip, then that is that same basic 600 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,719 Speaker 1: idea exactly the microchips are they essentially have a signal 601 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: on them that when you have a device that can 602 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 1: read the signal can come up with whatever the code is, 603 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: and then you can type it into a database and 604 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: find out where that animal belongs. Um. So yeah, if 605 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: you've ever microchip to pet, it's the same basic concept, 606 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: except it's being used on humans. Now, obviously, this is 607 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: already something that has also been legislated in lots of places, 608 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: and clean the United States, several states have made it 609 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,719 Speaker 1: against the law to implant or in some cases, like 610 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: I think Georgia, force the implantation process upon people. Right, 611 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: some of the worries I think where that that either 612 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: people are going to microchip their their children or convicts 613 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: or employees, which in some companies feels like the same 614 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: thing either as children or convicts or children convicts I 615 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: got an idea of for reality show I talked to 616 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: you after the show anyway, Yeah, so two Worrick also 617 00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: had another surgical procedure done where he had about a 618 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 1: hundred electric roads attached to one of his nerves, which 619 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 1: allowed him to have some ural control over devices like 620 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 1: a wheelchair or a little electronic hand. So that's kind 621 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,359 Speaker 1: of cool. But the anyway, that's that's kind of like 622 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: the that's the next step, right, These are the science 623 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: fictional kind of ways. And I think we can end 624 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: on the Mondo Bizarrow weirdo way, which was the Stelios 625 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 1: Arcadius also known as stell arc the performance artist who 626 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: had a human ear surgically attached to his forearm. It 627 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 1: was grown, it was not It was not a human 628 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 1: cultured ear. Yes, it wasn't wasn't harvested. There's not a 629 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 1: van go walking around saying I can't hear anything but 630 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 1: my ears art. This was actually grown in the lab 631 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: and then surgically attached to his arm. He at least 632 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 1: at some point had plans on also getting a microphone 633 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:57,240 Speaker 1: and transmitter also part as as part of this ear project, 634 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,479 Speaker 1: so that you could quote unquote here what the ear 635 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: was hearing. Is this not a working organ, It's just cosmetic. 636 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: And that wraps up another classic episode of tech stuff. 637 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: Hope you guys enjoyed it. If you have suggestions for 638 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: future topics of tech stuff, reach out to me on 639 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 1: Facebook or Twitter to handle it. 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