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Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. It is Wednesday, March seventh, twenty eighteen, Season thirteen,
Speaker 1: episode number one oh four. Welcome to another edition of
Speaker 1: The Break, live from the s WBC Mortgage Studios at
Speaker 1: the Star. Happy to be back in studio with all
Speaker 1: of our crew here. It seems like it's in the offseason.
Speaker 1: See sick, way too much time between our shows. And
Speaker 1: actually we'll have a little bit of a disconnect again
Speaker 1: next week. I'll be out next week and then maybe
Speaker 1: back for a week and then out for like two
Speaker 1: or three weeks after that. So we'll figure out something
Speaker 1: to keep us keep us going here. How's everybody doing
Speaker 1: this morning? Great? Thanks for asking, We're doing well. You
Speaker 1: didn't say you say it more brand. How are you
Speaker 1: doing guys, Hey, thank you Amber, You did that well.
Speaker 1: How are you this morning? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, good trying
Speaker 1: to practice my English again. It's been a while. I
Speaker 1: saw that. Was that a dig at us or was
Speaker 1: that a dig at your Spanish? I don't know. I
Speaker 1: mean it was to find out that I was on
Speaker 1: the show again. So those that don't know, I think
Speaker 1: Amber was taking a shot because she wasn't on the
Speaker 1: show last week. But yeah, we're okay. Yeah, well she's
Speaker 1: been on vacation though. How that go? It was great? Yeah,
Speaker 1: great time. Uh, glad to be back my land where
Speaker 1: people speak my language. So that was good. But I'm
Speaker 1: glad to be back on my other land. Good, my
Speaker 1: other homeland. Good, good Land sounds so official land. And
Speaker 1: then this is the homeland U States. Yeah, got it good? Great?
Speaker 1: From when I go through homeline security, you know we're
Speaker 1: doing anyways from Cowboys Cowboys, we got a lot to
Speaker 1: talk about. There is um free agency starts next week
Speaker 1: next Wednesday, I think it is free agency will begin.
Speaker 1: Cowboys will have some free agents that they will have
Speaker 1: to decide on what they're gonna do with those guys,
Speaker 1: as will all teams around the league. And then but
Speaker 1: before we get to that, and I want to go
Speaker 1: through our list of free agents that the Cowboys will
Speaker 1: have to make decisions on. But before we get to that,
Speaker 1: I do want to talk about DeMarcus Lawrence, who this
Speaker 1: last Just in the last couple of days, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have made it official. They have put the franchise tag
Speaker 1: on him. So let's start first we kind of the
Speaker 1: basics of that. How much it with this deal? How
Speaker 1: much is DeMarcus Lawrence guaranteed? And what's left for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys from the standpoint of the mouth, they have under
Speaker 1: the cap at this point, twelve dollars. Twelve dollars, that's
Speaker 1: how much they have right now in the cap, maybe
Speaker 1: like ten to fifty depend I'm just kidding. It's down there.
Speaker 1: It's not a lot. It's not a lot. Man. They
Speaker 1: can move things around. I mean, it just sounds dramatic.
Speaker 1: I've been but like I've been trying to get to
Speaker 1: the bottom of that, because depending on where you look,
Speaker 1: there's about nine different answers, like right, That's why that
Speaker 1: range from like one hundred and fifty thousand or and
Speaker 1: I saw I think the highest one I saw was
Speaker 1: like one point five million. There's some as well as
Speaker 1: twelve thousand dollars. There's some that have them even as
Speaker 1: high as seven million when you include rollover from last
Speaker 1: year's because the Cowboys spent the least of anybody in
Speaker 1: the league against the salary cap last years, and you
Speaker 1: can roll some of that money over. So again, I mean,
Speaker 1: and that all factors in, they're working with not a
Speaker 1: lot of money, however you want to look at it.
Speaker 1: I think it's more than twelve thousand dollars, but it's
Speaker 1: not a lot. But I'll be totally honest with you,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know any projection that I one
Speaker 1: hundred percent trust that is one hundred percent accurate. But
Speaker 1: with the tag, the tag this year set the cost
Speaker 1: seventeen and a half million dollars, it's fully guaranteed, which
Speaker 1: I think this is worth pointing out. DeMarcus has signed
Speaker 1: his tender, which you don't have to do. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you remember, Dez famously did not sign it. He
Speaker 1: held out all the way till the July deadline, threatened
Speaker 1: many times not to play unless he got his five
Speaker 1: year deal, which he did I think three hours before
Speaker 1: the deadline passed. So DeMarcus is cool with this. He's
Speaker 1: you know, he's going to play on the one year
Speaker 1: deal if they can get something done before the season starts. Great,
Speaker 1: But it's from hearing his quotes that he's given in
Speaker 1: them to a couple other reporters out there, it sounds
Speaker 1: like he's ready to do a prove it deal and
Speaker 1: try to really break the bank next year, which at
Speaker 1: his position is a very doable thing. If he can
Speaker 1: have another year like he had last year his double
Speaker 1: digit sacks again next year, he'll be in position where
Speaker 1: he can command a staggering amount of money, because that's
Speaker 1: one of those positions where it's not you know, defensive
Speaker 1: ends are never really tagged to wins and losses. No
Speaker 1: one cares about wins and losses. You have one stat
Speaker 1: that's really it. You have one stat. No one cares
Speaker 1: about tackles and tackles for loss and where your defense
Speaker 1: was ranked, you could be one of the worst teams.
Speaker 1: But if you get seventeen sacks like Dwight Freeney kind
Speaker 1: of made a career out of that, and think about that,
Speaker 1: that means one play a game. How many snaps are
Speaker 1: there defensively in again sixty seventy you get one sack
Speaker 1: per game and you're gonna be among the league leaders.
Speaker 1: So you're right and it's not, and I don't want
Speaker 1: to diminish it's hard. I think to get the quarterback
Speaker 1: and bring him down, that's hard. But the fact of
Speaker 1: the matter is if you can do that once a game,
Speaker 1: you will set yourself up. He's setting it. He would
Speaker 1: set himself up for a really nice contract. Now here's
Speaker 1: the question. Even after this year, the Cowboys could come
Speaker 1: back enfranchise him again next year? Correct, I could. It
Speaker 1: will be expensive, but they certainly could do it right,
Speaker 1: It would be very expensive to do that, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: yeah they could. I think the vibe in the building
Speaker 1: too is let's let's let them do it again. I
Speaker 1: think they're more afraid of you think they're okay with
Speaker 1: that too, I really do. I think the seventeen million
Speaker 1: is where he's going to play on them. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: could trying to get another deal. But oh, to be clear,
Speaker 1: I agree with you, and that's you know. Stephen said
Speaker 1: this at the combine last week before this happened, that yeah,
Speaker 1: it looks dire in terms of the cap when you're
Speaker 1: carrying that kind of charge, But they're fine and they're
Speaker 1: comfortable with where they are. They believe that they can
Speaker 1: get done what they want to get done without having
Speaker 1: to do anything. And somebody asked me this morning. You know,
Speaker 1: people keep saying, like cap casualties, they don't have to
Speaker 1: be any like that. I mean, they could. You know,
Speaker 1: the Dez thing is famous. You know, it's well documented.
Speaker 1: People have talked about Orlando Scandrick. But this isn't like
Speaker 1: past years where they've got to make decisions to get
Speaker 1: under the cap. Like even with this charge, they're they're fine,
Speaker 1: Oh well, he doesn't get hurt. That's one of the
Speaker 1: things that I think about. And you know, good for
Speaker 1: him that he got this deal signed, But he's at
Speaker 1: that point where I don't think many people can fully
Speaker 1: just bet on him one hundred percent his health just
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. I mean, he could have made
Speaker 1: a great deal now with the just a year thing,
Speaker 1: the franchise tag, or it would have been better for
Speaker 1: him to try to get the multi annual contract. And
Speaker 1: you know, I wonder how far apart they were, you know,
Speaker 1: or are, I mean, like, what is he It's all
Speaker 1: comes down to guaranteed money probably, so I'm curious to
Speaker 1: see if they're probably pretty far. I mean, what did
Speaker 1: the guy from the Giants, Olivier Vernon had a similar
Speaker 1: career to DeMarcus prior to leaving for New York and
Speaker 1: has the same agent. The franchise tag on a d
Speaker 1: end when he came out in sixteen was fifteen and
Speaker 1: a half and he got seventeen a year, and do
Speaker 1: you know his fifty million guaranteed? So five year? I
Speaker 1: think four, but don't quote me. I'm not sure. But
Speaker 1: if he were allowed to hit the market, DeMarcus could
Speaker 1: command nineteen million a year, you know, sixty sixty million guarantee.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's stupid, like people, players who affect the
Speaker 1: passing game are worth the stupid amount of money on
Speaker 1: the open market. So it makes a lot of sense
Speaker 1: why they couldn't come to a deal because DeMarcus knows that,
Speaker 1: as it does his agent, and so why would you
Speaker 1: agree to anything less than that if you think there's
Speaker 1: thirty one other teams that would be willing to pay it.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of you know, they said that they
Speaker 1: were going to work really hard to get a long
Speaker 1: term deal done during these two weeks, and I never
Speaker 1: bought that for half a second. Yeah, well, let me
Speaker 1: ask you this question. I do think that one of
Speaker 1: the challenges at this point is that you can talk
Speaker 1: about the Cowboys going into free agency, and I think
Speaker 1: most of us agree based on history, it doesn't suggest
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys would be heavy players in free agency. However,
Speaker 1: they do have a list of their own free agents
Speaker 1: and they have traditionally look to bring back some of
Speaker 1: those guys at least And if you look at some
Speaker 1: of the lower projections that are out there, of the
Speaker 1: amount of money the Cowboys have now against the cap
Speaker 1: because of the seventeen million dollar hit, do you think
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys need to make some moves in order
Speaker 1: to free up at least money to get some of
Speaker 1: the free agency. And we're gonna go through all those
Speaker 1: free agents that are their own free agents and whether
Speaker 1: we think the Cowboys will have them back, But do
Speaker 1: you think there's moves that they have to make right
Speaker 1: now in order to put themselves a position at least
Speaker 1: resign their own guys. Yeah, And that's why you never
Speaker 1: it's not like a scoreboard of what's the score when
Speaker 1: you're talking about the cap, because number one, there's nine
Speaker 1: different answers and nine different ways to look at it.
Speaker 1: And then also they can do what they want to do,
Speaker 1: like they may not be able to sign three or
Speaker 1: four top free agents. They could sign people they want to,
Speaker 1: it's just how much do they want to push into
Speaker 1: next year and front row front load these contracts. But
Speaker 1: so yeah, I think that they have to do a
Speaker 1: couple of things to get you know. But see, they're
Speaker 1: probably already projecting those things. They've already projected. David Irving's
Speaker 1: what they're gonna, you know, put in for him, and
Speaker 1: so therefore they're like, that's why they don't have a
Speaker 1: lot of because they've already put that money in. So
Speaker 1: I don't think it's really a tough situation for them,
Speaker 1: right And I mean, you know, the one that gets
Speaker 1: talked about a lot is you can restructure Travis Frederick's
Speaker 1: deal to free up seven million in room. Like, if
Speaker 1: I had to guess, they've probably already done that in
Speaker 1: their head at least, you know, like they're gonna officially
Speaker 1: trigger that clause in his contract and we'll write a
Speaker 1: story about it. But in their mind, it's already done.
Speaker 1: They've known they were going to do that for a while.
Speaker 1: And then you could mess with Tyrant's money if you
Speaker 1: want to, with his injury history over the last two years,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that's a great idea. You could probably
Speaker 1: mess with Jason Witten's money he signed. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: a pretty team friendly extension he signed. You you would
Speaker 1: imagine he probably won't play to the end of that contract.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's Bryant's money. You could very much, you could
Speaker 1: very much mess with Dez Bryant's money. We'll see, I mean,
Speaker 1: but not in the same way probably, I you know,
Speaker 1: I feel like we've covered that pretty extensively. I mean
Speaker 1: I said on this show in many other places that
Speaker 1: I didn't think anything was going to wind up happening.
Speaker 1: But reading tea leaves and having some conversations over the
Speaker 1: last you know, a couple of weeks, it sure sounds
Speaker 1: like they're gonna try to get something done. We'll see,
Speaker 1: you know. So does that mean a release or a
Speaker 1: pay cut or I mean, I don't know, but it's
Speaker 1: something to keep an eye on. There's going to be
Speaker 1: a discussion, there's going to something's gonna happen, obviously, you know,
Speaker 1: Jerry said, And in the big headline over the weekend
Speaker 1: for Jerry was that yeah, I want him back. Yes
Speaker 1: that okay, that's fine, but at what price? And I'm
Speaker 1: sure the next question to Jerry. I wasn't on the bus,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure the next question was about the money.
Speaker 1: I'll yeah, you want him back, right, but not at
Speaker 1: this price? And he didn't really go there. Well, funny
Speaker 1: the funny thing, you know, Jerry, he made it sound
Speaker 1: very He was like, well, what are y'all even talking about? Like,
Speaker 1: but he's like, he's like, we're gonna meet, We're gonna discuss,
Speaker 1: We're gonna discuss a lot of things, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think it was Todd Archer made
Speaker 1: the point that was like, well, if you still think
Speaker 1: he's a number one receiver who's worthy of his production,
Speaker 1: why are you meeting with him? Yeah, you're not. You're
Speaker 1: not meeting with your guys who are earning the contracting. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was one of the things. I think. I came
Speaker 1: in your off these other day and I was like,
Speaker 1: you're not You're not meeting with Travis Frederick about how
Speaker 1: much money he's getting, right, Because that was one of
Speaker 1: the questions I was asked to Garrett and he was like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, he's kind of noncommittal on it. And I
Speaker 1: was like, if somebody ask you right now, or somebody
Speaker 1: asked Garrett right now, is he gonna be back next year?
Speaker 1: He would say absolutely yes. So yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: think when you listen to all the things that have
Speaker 1: been said, particularly by Stephen, Jason and Jerry, I think
Speaker 1: it's very clear that they're going to have a discussion.
Speaker 1: What that discussion will entell, what they will ask of him,
Speaker 1: what he will ask back of them. We all don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they even know, like I think,
Speaker 1: but we do know there will be a discussion, and
Speaker 1: at some point this organization is going to have to
Speaker 1: make the decision as to whether whatever amount of money
Speaker 1: is going to be on the books for him is
Speaker 1: worth it or not, and if they're going to move
Speaker 1: forward in that way, and Daz will have to make
Speaker 1: a decision is he okay with whatever amount of money
Speaker 1: that's going to be? The interesting thing is, you know,
Speaker 1: it seems like we're so used to this stuff playing
Speaker 1: out like over a long period of time, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, it took forever to finally get a resolution
Speaker 1: to the Tony Romo saka, but I kind of feel
Speaker 1: like this one is going to be faster, I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if it's going to happen tomorrow,
Speaker 1: but like I don't, you know, because if they're not,
Speaker 1: if Dez isn't on this team moving forward, they gotta
Speaker 1: have a contingency plan they I mean, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't think you're just gonna look at the draft as
Speaker 1: how you're gonna Replacedz. However, I will say this, their
Speaker 1: contingency plan could be one that's very easily put in
Speaker 1: place in April. Yeah, because I do believe let's assume
Speaker 1: for a second that that Dez is not on this
Speaker 1: team for whatever reason. If he's not on this team,
Speaker 1: I could see a scenario where they go into the draft,
Speaker 1: they get a wide receiver with their first or second pick,
Speaker 1: and then they go back and sign a guy like
Speaker 1: a Bryce Butler, and they feel like that's enough of
Speaker 1: a bridge until that guy comes along is ready to
Speaker 1: be there their number one. It's not forget the free
Speaker 1: agency is six weeks before that. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: I think it's the other way around. Whoever sitting there
Speaker 1: in free agency after the draft, I don't know if
Speaker 1: I want that guy, well, but you know how I
Speaker 1: feel too, and I think that might be how they
Speaker 1: feel you don't think you think Bryce's gonna get like, no,
Speaker 1: but six weeks? I mean, and I get that, but
Speaker 1: I could see a scenario where Bryce is still sitting
Speaker 1: out there in free agency, say at that point, say
Speaker 1: six weeks. It's probably four weeks, because when you get
Speaker 1: to like April fifteenth, that's where they kind of stop
Speaker 1: with all that. But I could say scenari where he's
Speaker 1: still sitting out there, And again, the reason why he'd
Speaker 1: be valuable to the gal Cowboys may be different than
Speaker 1: why he might be valuable to other teams. He knows
Speaker 1: his system, he's been system. When did that getting if
Speaker 1: they cuts? When would he get cut? Like soon? Right?
Speaker 1: That's like, hey, I was asked to happen soon? I mean,
Speaker 1: because you would be counting with that money based on
Speaker 1: the other decisions you make exactly. But here's anything to
Speaker 1: happen makes me think that this doesn't happen quickly? Is
Speaker 1: you've heard we've heard consistently from Jason, Jerry and and
Speaker 1: uh and Stephen that there has not been a discussion
Speaker 1: this point. If there's something happened quickly or soon, Stephen
Speaker 1: as should have been a discussion. I would think at
Speaker 1: this point it's a long could be you think it's
Speaker 1: literally just like, okay, what would be the point of
Speaker 1: how a conversation later on though, and not soon enough,
Speaker 1: because the point, in my understanding, would be to count
Speaker 1: with that money to figure out why or where you're
Speaker 1: going to spend it on or who you're going to
Speaker 1: spend it on free agency, And no, there was an
Speaker 1: art class and he's not going to be available, So
Speaker 1: I absolutely, I mean, if you're if you are making
Speaker 1: that decision, it's so that you can use those savings
Speaker 1: to upgrade your football team, and that's not going to
Speaker 1: do you any good. In a month and a half.
Speaker 1: Stephen said that conversation was going to happen sooner rather
Speaker 1: than later a week ago, and on Saturday, Jerry said
Speaker 1: it was going to happen in the immediate future. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, do you think whatever's gonna happen is gonna
Speaker 1: happen quickly? And whatever the resolution of this situation is,
Speaker 1: I think it'll be decided by the end of the month.
Speaker 1: And if he's not on the team. If he's not
Speaker 1: on the team, the first thing I do is resigned
Speaker 1: Bryce Butler. That's the first thing I do. I agree
Speaker 1: with that because I don't want to be Now, he
Speaker 1: doesn't affect what I do in the draft, but I
Speaker 1: don't want to be pigeonholed into saying, oh my odd,
Speaker 1: you didn't get a receiver when everyone knows this. So
Speaker 1: the Ridley's gone at twelve, people jump to get Kirk whatever.
Speaker 1: And then you're sitting there going, do I have to
Speaker 1: take yeah, Courtland Sutton here or whatever, just because I
Speaker 1: have to, which I'm not saying is a bad thing,
Speaker 1: but I mean, you don't want to be forced into it.
Speaker 1: So I'm getting a guy that knows, that knows the offense,
Speaker 1: and you know he's got some upside still. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: let's let's go in and and take our first break. When
Speaker 1: we come back, I do want to talk about the
Speaker 1: free agency that the Cowboys that are Cowboys players who
Speaker 1: will be free agents, that the Cowboys will have to
Speaker 1: make some decisions, and we'll go through that list. I
Speaker 1: want you guys to tell me how you think they
Speaker 1: play last year, what you foresee their role could be
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys, and then whether you think the Cowboys
Speaker 1: will or will not resign them, will do that? Women
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Speaker 1: the second segment of the Break Light from the SWDC
Speaker 1: Raget Studios Episode Dart. Thanks for joining us. Amber, We're
Speaker 1: going to get into some free agency talk and actually
Speaker 1: sometime in the third segment, hopefully we'll have a whole time.
Speaker 1: I want to get a few thoughts from Dave Hellman,
Speaker 1: who's coming fresh fresh off the Combine, fresh frash shout
Speaker 1: for the the Combine. We're all getting back used to this
Speaker 1: whole radio thing. Yeah, speak for yourself. We're doing two
Speaker 1: draft shows a week. I'm sorry. Yeah, you're into and Indie. Yeah.
Speaker 1: For me, I'm trying to get back into this. Me
Speaker 1: and Amber are trying to work our ways back, work
Speaker 1: our way back in. So we'll in the final segment
Speaker 1: we will try to get some some updates on and
Speaker 1: what you saw out there at the Combine, conversations you
Speaker 1: may have had, and just catch us up on where
Speaker 1: we are there. But let's talk about free agency. There
Speaker 1: are twelve guys I have on this list of free agents,
Speaker 1: and again what I want to do is I want
Speaker 1: to go through the list and I want you guys
Speaker 1: to tell me, first, how do you think the player
Speaker 1: played last year? Secondly, what do you think is role
Speaker 1: could be if he were to come back, start or
Speaker 1: back up contributor or whatever, and then whether you think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys will resign him, and you expect that they're
Speaker 1: going to resign him. Okay, so let's start first with
Speaker 1: the restricted guys. Let's start with Brian Price, defensive tackle
Speaker 1: one technique, who I thought actually was a pleasant surprise
Speaker 1: last year in the time he played before he got injured.
Speaker 1: I thought he did a good job. He There's not
Speaker 1: a lot of people on this team like him. You know,
Speaker 1: he obviously is one of the few one techniques that
Speaker 1: that plays that he fits the ridiculous orphan title. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I think for that reason, if he gets
Speaker 1: healthy with the knee injury which happened in early November,
Speaker 1: I think that he will be in the mix to
Speaker 1: compete for a job. I forgot how severe was that injury?
Speaker 1: Racl That wasn't pretty sure, I've been more than that.
Speaker 1: It happened in Atlanta on November twelfth, ended his season,
Speaker 1: So I mean it wasn't it did? Yeah? I saw
Speaker 1: it where he got I thought he got November six,
Speaker 1: he's he signed. I mean he had a surgery November six.
Speaker 1: Oh well, then maybe maybe it was the week before that.
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know it happened. Yeah, he was out
Speaker 1: for the rest of the year. I thought it happened
Speaker 1: against Atlanta. Maybe maybe everything, I mean, nothing really bad
Speaker 1: happened in Atlanta. Yeah, how could you remember anything other
Speaker 1: than like, he's he's restricted, but he's undrafted, exclusive rights,
Speaker 1: exclusive right, right, Yeah, he's exclusive rights. He's back if
Speaker 1: they want him, and you feel like they want him, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. I think you know, he's just he's
Speaker 1: a one technique he's yeah, okay, great, let's move on
Speaker 1: to a David Irving. He has a restricted Tell me
Speaker 1: about how he played last year. Yes, when he was
Speaker 1: played well, when he played, when he was on the field,
Speaker 1: he was pretty damn good. But that's a part of it.
Speaker 1: Was eight games that were really good. Absolutely. That's a
Speaker 1: part of this is that I don't know that that
Speaker 1: you really can trust that he's always going to be available,
Speaker 1: and with a concussion, he still got on the field
Speaker 1: and played. Well. That's not good. No, I know, he
Speaker 1: was well and he was suspended for the first month, right,
Speaker 1: and the last month. Yeah, he had lingering effects from
Speaker 1: a concussion that he didn't report. So great, dude, trustworthy,
Speaker 1: maybe not so much so it's a long term deal.
Speaker 1: Is that Is this a guy that you would invest
Speaker 1: a long term deal in or do you kind of
Speaker 1: gender and just kind of have him for another un
Speaker 1: see where it goes. We had a really heated conversation
Speaker 1: about that on one of our drafts from Indie because
Speaker 1: I just have a hard time reconciling, Like, you spend
Speaker 1: so much time looking for pass rushers, it's so important,
Speaker 1: you've been so bad at it. And you found a
Speaker 1: defensive tackle who's capable of getting seven in eight games
Speaker 1: and you don't get the sense that he's that big
Speaker 1: of a priority in terms of keeping around for the
Speaker 1: long But is that because you're only going to get
Speaker 1: eight games year? Well? And yeah, I mean there's a
Speaker 1: lot of reasons that you might feel that way. And
Speaker 1: on top of that, I mean, if you're going to
Speaker 1: try to make DeMarcus Lawrence a cowboy for life or whatever,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's only so much money to go around.
Speaker 1: They they're well aware that there's a very good chance
Speaker 1: they'll have to pay Dak. You got to worry about Zeke.
Speaker 1: You got other young talented players that they're going to
Speaker 1: have to pay at some point. So you know, at
Speaker 1: some point, it's a lot like you know, DeMarco Murray.
Speaker 1: It's not that they didn't like him or any other
Speaker 1: free agent they've let go. It's not that they don't
Speaker 1: like him, it's that money only goes so far. You Know,
Speaker 1: what I love with him is that on the line,
Speaker 1: like let's say you don't have him back, and now
Speaker 1: you're left with DeMarcus Lawrence obviously the main guy on
Speaker 1: the line. Right Therefore, whoever else comes in, they're not
Speaker 1: going to outshine DeMarcus Lorens. And by having David Irving,
Speaker 1: to me, from what I've seen, it plays such a
Speaker 1: great balance there because even if you're focusing on d Law,
Speaker 1: you still have David Irving that you cannot just let
Speaker 1: him fly by because he's going to get the job
Speaker 1: done as well. So it's such a great balance and
Speaker 1: great chemistry between the two that I think it's awesome
Speaker 1: to have him there. And you can't just put it
Speaker 1: all on d Law. He's a tough mismatch because of
Speaker 1: his size and especially when you've got if you exactly right,
Speaker 1: I mean, when you have a running back that needs
Speaker 1: to look over here or tied end to chip over here,
Speaker 1: he's tough for one guy in the middle to stop.
Speaker 1: Now the tenders are out, I think it's just easy
Speaker 1: that he will be a second round tender two point
Speaker 1: nine one million. That's what they'd have to pay for him.
Speaker 1: If somebody else signed him to a deal, that Cowboys
Speaker 1: have the chance to match it. If not, they will
Speaker 1: receive a second round pick that will probably a teams
Speaker 1: off to not messing with it. You could also do
Speaker 1: a first round tender four point one Well, I think
Speaker 1: the I think they would take the second round pick
Speaker 1: and say see you later. The first I think that's
Speaker 1: say I don't think would scare teams off. The first
Speaker 1: round tender I think would scare teams off. But I
Speaker 1: think the logic that I come around to is that
Speaker 1: the second round tender just might be low enough. And
Speaker 1: you saw this play out with um C J Anderson
Speaker 1: with Denver in Miami lasts. I think it was last
Speaker 1: year um Denver put the tender on him, Miami offered
Speaker 1: him a deal, and then Denver beat it out to
Speaker 1: keep him. So I mean, so I think the second
Speaker 1: round maybe makes him just appealing enough that somebody offers
Speaker 1: him a contract, And if they did, I think the
Speaker 1: Cowboys would be more than happy to take that second
Speaker 1: round pick. Yep. And then and you're okay with it,
Speaker 1: You're okay with lending that caliber player it second round pick.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not going to go as far as
Speaker 1: to say I'm okay with it. It's a tough pill
Speaker 1: to swallow. Pass rushers are hard to find, but especially
Speaker 1: interior pass rushers. If they're determined that they're not going
Speaker 1: to give him a long term deal, they might as
Speaker 1: well get something for it. I'm sure that's their logic.
Speaker 1: But it's like one of those things where either option
Speaker 1: is still a good option, you know. Yeah, so, yeah,
Speaker 1: they take the second rounder preferably, preferably it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: a Cleveland or somebody was high second. It'll be no
Speaker 1: that I do I think so, I don't think that.
Speaker 1: I think it's the top of the second. You wouldn't
Speaker 1: give your second for David Irving unless it's like you
Speaker 1: might New England or Philly or something way down down there.
Speaker 1: You might, I don't. I mean, it's a defensive tackle
Speaker 1: that's capable of getting seven sacks. Those guys don't grow
Speaker 1: on trees, which is precisely the reason why, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: the second round tender may not be worth it. Like
Speaker 1: if if you're going to get back, if you're okay
Speaker 1: with that, you're gonna get back a second round pick.
Speaker 1: Name the last time you've had a second round pick
Speaker 1: that's an interior defensive line I could generate the pass rush.
Speaker 1: Certainly they you're not going to replace that production with
Speaker 1: a second round pick, are you. They certainly don't have
Speaker 1: the eight games or the four at the end of
Speaker 1: replace can you replace the seven saxes at a interior
Speaker 1: defensive line position. Let's run down the list of their
Speaker 1: last ten second round picks for as it was the
Speaker 1: last time the Cowboys had a good pass rush year exactly,
Speaker 1: and that included David Irving in the time that he
Speaker 1: was on the field, which I agree, if you're willing
Speaker 1: to really play the long games, what I would love
Speaker 1: is if they put the tender on him and nobody's interested,
Speaker 1: then you're only so you're paying him two point nine million.
Speaker 1: Then when he hits unrestricted free agency, you can let
Speaker 1: him go and you probably get, if not a third
Speaker 1: then at least a fourth round compensatory pick for him
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. I mean, that's the long game. But
Speaker 1: I think they're better next year if he's on this team,
Speaker 1: and I just look at I think there's I would
Speaker 1: guess if you're if I would think like you were
Speaker 1: talking about a free eight with the franchise tag, I
Speaker 1: would think a team would have to start at whatever
Speaker 1: that amount is for the second round tender was two
Speaker 1: point whatever a million. I think there will be teams
Speaker 1: that will be willing to do him, do a deal
Speaker 1: with him that's a three or four year deal that
Speaker 1: averages three four million a year. I think there will
Speaker 1: be too, and especially if they backloaded to where they're
Speaker 1: not really tied to the final year, final two years,
Speaker 1: whatever it is. I think there'll be teams out there
Speaker 1: that are willing to do that. And I think so.
Speaker 1: I think if you do a second round tender on him,
Speaker 1: I could very easily see a scenario where he no
Speaker 1: longer is with this team, and I think that's a
Speaker 1: big blow to the Cowboys. I agree, I will. I
Speaker 1: mean the flip side of that coin, if you trust
Speaker 1: them to draft, well, this is a deep defensive tackle class.
Speaker 1: I mean, they could get a good defensive tackle in
Speaker 1: the second round with the pick they get for him,
Speaker 1: But I'd rather have him on the team than not.
Speaker 1: The big thing about that, though, is you got a
Speaker 1: lot of positions where you could use a second round
Speaker 1: ship on those positions. So it just adds to that list.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, it just adds to that list
Speaker 1: of guys you now have to fill in the draft,
Speaker 1: you know, And I think that list is sizeable. I think,
Speaker 1: all right, let's move on. Let's talk about Keith Smith,
Speaker 1: fullback for the Cowboys. How do you play last year?
Speaker 1: What were your thoughts on him? I love that guy,
Speaker 1: and and you know, his roles and fullbacks probably overstated
Speaker 1: a little bit. He was on the field as a
Speaker 1: fullback twelve percent of the time. It's not I mean,
Speaker 1: he's good when he's out there, but it's just not
Speaker 1: like it's this huge component. But he's a special teams guy.
Speaker 1: He's great on special teams. He does his job in
Speaker 1: the offense. He's got probably the most underrated hands on
Speaker 1: the team. Maybe, I mean, he only gets like two
Speaker 1: opportunities per year, but I'm just always impressed at how
Speaker 1: well he catches for a converted linebacker. Um. I think
Speaker 1: he's a good locker room guy. He's got a lot
Speaker 1: of attitude, he's got some dog to him. He's a queue.
Speaker 1: So um, yeah, And there was a don't do it, Nick,
Speaker 1: don't do it. And i've seen you paunched a training camp.
Speaker 1: There was there was a report last week and he's
Speaker 1: he's restricted. He was undrafted. They're not going to put
Speaker 1: a tender on an undrafted guy. It doesn't make sense. Um,
Speaker 1: but there's a report that they want him back and
Speaker 1: they're going to try to get a deal done with him.
Speaker 1: Your deal should not be hard. I mean a lot
Speaker 1: like before you you know, you forget Jeff Heath wasn't
Speaker 1: a starter when he signed that deal. It was very similar.
Speaker 1: It's not like there's this huge demand for his services.
Speaker 1: So that happens a lot. They'll buy basically, they're buying
Speaker 1: next year's free agent year for them. They'll basically buy it.
Speaker 1: So it's a two year. I would imagine he'll get
Speaker 1: like a two or three year deal. And because of
Speaker 1: the tender, even though the lowest tenders one point nine
Speaker 1: and you're not gonna do that for a fullback. So
Speaker 1: I think he'll get like, he'll probably get like a
Speaker 1: two year deal worth about you know, two million, maybe
Speaker 1: one eight something like that. I'm not Yeah, a little
Speaker 1: bit of money in his pocket and put him very
Speaker 1: team friendly deal he's I mean yeah, I would be
Speaker 1: surprised if they don't try to keep him around at
Speaker 1: a and the money's not big enough that it's even
Speaker 1: really a big deal. I would actually love to see
Speaker 1: them use him a little bit more, especially your yardage.
Speaker 1: I think there's an opportunity for him not only carrying
Speaker 1: the ball, but leaking out of the backfield and catching
Speaker 1: the ball some too. So I hope they resigned him.
Speaker 1: I hope they use him a little bit more in
Speaker 1: the offense. I think they need a little more diversity
Speaker 1: and he could provide that. Do we need to speed
Speaker 1: this up? Yeah, we need to faster. So sorry, free guys,
Speaker 1: sorry undrafted free agents. Let's move on to Byron Bell.
Speaker 1: You take it left tackle. I mean, I gotta believe
Speaker 1: there's a veteran tackle that you could get for the
Speaker 1: same or maybe a little bit more who might be better.
Speaker 1: But if that's whatever, I'd eb You don't feel bad
Speaker 1: about them bringing him back. You don't feel great about
Speaker 1: the letting him go. I mean you'll feel bad about
Speaker 1: them letting him go. I feel bad if their plan
Speaker 1: is to just let him be the swing tackle without
Speaker 1: any competition. You know, but either fine about same thing.
Speaker 1: I just I mean, he's he's under contract. He I know,
Speaker 1: that's that's his competition, right, Draft a guy or spend
Speaker 1: a little bit more money to get a better caliber player.
Speaker 1: That's pretty much how I feel. All right, let's move
Speaker 1: on to Jonathan Cooper. How do you play last year?
Speaker 1: Give me as a Scotter report. I played pretty well
Speaker 1: when he when he uh, when he finally got in
Speaker 1: there and and got you know, was was the solidified starter.
Speaker 1: I thought he did a pretty good job. I had
Speaker 1: a tough injury there at the last game of the season,
Speaker 1: and I think that's gonna hurt any kind of leverage
Speaker 1: he might have. So I think therefore, I think he
Speaker 1: comes back. I think the Cowboys resign him and bring
Speaker 1: him back. Probably a pretty decent deal for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: and maybe the potential to have a guy that that starts.
Speaker 1: But I don't think he is the set starter again.
Speaker 1: I think he'd have to earn him once again. So
Speaker 1: who do you think's gonna be the set starter? I
Speaker 1: don't know if he's on the team. Okay, veteran draft
Speaker 1: what I would imagine if I had to guess, you
Speaker 1: resign him, nice deal, draft the guy middle rounds. Hope
Speaker 1: that he can play a little center as well. You
Speaker 1: get some versatility there or maybe tackle as well. Guardia,
Speaker 1: I expecting him to come. If he's a middle round guy,
Speaker 1: he's not coming in next year and starting right over
Speaker 1: a guy that played pretty well as a starter. This
Speaker 1: you wouldn't think. But you never know. You never know. Okay,
Speaker 1: you let them compete. I would let them compet a
Speaker 1: training camp, you know, just see what the other guy
Speaker 1: has got. If he's better, you earned your spot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there we go. All right, let's go to Alfred Morse.
Speaker 1: Take that love love him, I mean everyone loves Alfred
Speaker 1: and but I just depends how much money it is.
Speaker 1: I would say that cow. We still needed running back.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they would just choose the option
Speaker 1: to draft one later later in the draft, but I
Speaker 1: wouldn't mind him having back, having him back. Although we
Speaker 1: started seeing, you know, them not really using him that much,
Speaker 1: so maybe that's a sign that they're done with him.
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty clear, and I'll let you guys
Speaker 1: talk about I think it's pretty clear that they prefer
Speaker 1: to see Rod Smith as their second running back. You
Speaker 1: guys agree with that, Yeah, yeah, yeah, they they never
Speaker 1: are interested in using him after after they drafted Zeke Elliott.
Speaker 1: I mean he was. That's we always talk about it.
Speaker 1: You do things in the free agency to prepare you
Speaker 1: for if you don't address the problem in the draft.
Speaker 1: But they did, and he so kind of became redundant.
Speaker 1: I love him to death as a person. I don't
Speaker 1: think he'll be back here, and honestly, I think there's
Speaker 1: probably backfields in the NFL where he could still go
Speaker 1: and a larger role. Op. Yeah, I don't know that
Speaker 1: he's dying to resign here either. So in that role
Speaker 1: that you said about drafting a running back, I mean
Speaker 1: that's a perfect position where you can draft a running
Speaker 1: back in the sixth round and say, be the third
Speaker 1: back behind Rod Smith, maybe the second. You never know.
Speaker 1: I mean we've seen absolute teams and absolutely loaded running
Speaker 1: back class. I would and they have seven picks on
Speaker 1: Day three. I'd be shocked if a running back isn't
Speaker 1: one of the seven. Can I have a pick there? Sure?
Speaker 1: I'll take Hines, Okay, Nakim Hines or nine North Carolina
Speaker 1: Klas State fastest running back at the combine. Right, what
Speaker 1: was the time? I think it's four three three something
Speaker 1: like that. You'd beat it at the forty I beat that. No,
Speaker 1: you can't. All right, let's move on Kyle Wilbur. Kyle
Speaker 1: Wilber linebacker. I always like, how many special teams aces
Speaker 1: do you need? No? I'm serious? And is that the
Speaker 1: only role that he feels here? Though? Eight a second ace? No?
Speaker 1: How many times do I have to do this with you?
Speaker 1: Kyle Wilbur is a great special teams player. He's a
Speaker 1: guaranteed special teams play per season he does I mean
Speaker 1: he does play. Yeah, perst season is not an ace.
Speaker 1: You're talking special teams like the leading special teams tackler
Speaker 1: in the league maybe has ten in a year. I
Speaker 1: mean it from last year. I can't remember that. Uh
Speaker 1: he forced the fumble again? Oh, twenty seven teens. He's
Speaker 1: a good special teams player and a versatile guy who
Speaker 1: can do everything for you. That's the part that probably
Speaker 1: could get him back here. But see versatility, they love that.
Speaker 1: Don't they ever play defense? Go look at this. His
Speaker 1: snaps on defense decreased every year after he signed his extension,
Speaker 1: not only when they got more talent in here, but
Speaker 1: when they realize, like, I'm not sure this guy is
Speaker 1: really what we want in terms of being on the
Speaker 1: field on defense. I mean, the vast majority of his
Speaker 1: work this past season came on special teams. But but
Speaker 1: let's let's not forget and then this is a big part.
Speaker 1: A lot of times on special teams, that's the stuff
Speaker 1: you don't see. You know, you get a guy here,
Speaker 1: he knows, Oh, this guy's coming in here, blocked there,
Speaker 1: because all it takes is a guy, y'all. You bring
Speaker 1: some guy in. They did it a few years ago.
Speaker 1: They brought a guy in from the from the Seahawks,
Speaker 1: and he came in, I got a punt blocked and
Speaker 1: they lost the game, you know, because he didn't understand
Speaker 1: that stuff. So sometimes on special teams and stuff we
Speaker 1: don't see. But James Hanna has a special team, a
Speaker 1: good special teams player. Jeff Heath is a good special
Speaker 1: teams player. Keith Smith is a good special teams player.
Speaker 1: Von Frasier's great on like, how many of these guys
Speaker 1: R Woods is going to be pretty think so too
Speaker 1: many these guys can you afford to give money to,
Speaker 1: especially when you're talking about an unrestricted free agent sixth year.
Speaker 1: I also think it's worth pointing out that his special
Speaker 1: team's coach who loves him is now in Oakland. Um, So,
Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't be surprised, I guess, but I
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a big big priority for them
Speaker 1: to bring back. Okay, um, lp Latticer back special team,
Speaker 1: bring him back. But any thing about what you said
Speaker 1: about Oakland, I guarantee that Besot is over there looking
Speaker 1: at that. But I think lp Um, he's still got
Speaker 1: a few more years left. But I know that he's
Speaker 1: already thinking of things after football, and some of those
Speaker 1: things involved involved this area. I just would be shocked
Speaker 1: if he's not back, and I think the Cowboys would pay.
Speaker 1: He'll be walking around eating his cookie, eating his cookie.
Speaker 1: He does. He does like to snack, all right, Bryce Butler.
Speaker 1: Isn't that when the contingent right, you just kind of
Speaker 1: hold that that's your glass break in case of emergency.
Speaker 1: Ask me, yeah, ask me in two weeks. I mean,
Speaker 1: when we know what's going to happen with dads, Ask
Speaker 1: me about Bryce and their whole thing is if that's
Speaker 1: their contingency plan, I'd better figure it out, because I mean,
Speaker 1: I gotta imagine that he's going to get at least
Speaker 1: an offer somewhere. You know, I don't know if I
Speaker 1: don't think he'll be in that first wave though, And
Speaker 1: no thing about this thing about free agency is you know,
Speaker 1: you kind of have your first wave of free agents,
Speaker 1: and those are gonna be the guys at day one,
Speaker 1: day two, day three. Those will be those guys, and
Speaker 1: then the rest of them start kicking in. They could
Speaker 1: be you know, three weeks after that, four weeks after that, whatever.
Speaker 1: So if the timetable on Dez is what you guys
Speaker 1: think it will be, then there's plenty of time to
Speaker 1: wait on Bryce, and he should still. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's gonna be in that first way, So I think
Speaker 1: he'll still be available for you to do a deal
Speaker 1: with him if that time comes. And he's made it
Speaker 1: clear the only way he wants to come back is
Speaker 1: if Dez were not a part of me. That's what
Speaker 1: he said. Those are the words that he put out there.
Speaker 1: He signed his deal here a lot. He was the
Speaker 1: first signing they made. He signed within like two hours
Speaker 1: of the market opening, right, So I don't know, he
Speaker 1: never thought what was gonna happen. He never thought Terence
Speaker 1: was gonna be back and didn't think they would draft
Speaker 1: two receivers. Yep. I I leaned toward thinking no, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't shot nothing that wouldn't shock me either, in
Speaker 1: the same way, I don't would be a team friend.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. But if he if Dez
Speaker 1: isn't back, I think I would try to sign him.
Speaker 1: All right, I think he wants to come back. Let's
Speaker 1: take our final break and we come back. I want
Speaker 1: to hit Anthony Hitchins to talk a little bit about him,
Speaker 1: because he's the one guy out here that I think
Speaker 1: is going to have probably the most generate, the most
Speaker 1: interest on the free agent market. And I want to
Speaker 1: know if you think the Cowboys even have a shot
Speaker 1: of trying to resign a guy like Anthony Agents. We'll
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Speaker 1: the start, I'm enjoying this show. I'm having fun. Goods
Speaker 1: you guys enjoying it? Yes, I love talking about football,
Speaker 1: you know what. No, I was just thinking kind of like,
Speaker 1: I don't no, I'm not feeling no. I was just thinking.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I was thinking about Noah Brown and how
Speaker 1: he played last year and thinking the similarity that he
Speaker 1: has with Dez. How sometimes you got them both confused.
Speaker 1: I know I did, like all the time. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: an interesting thought. I don't know, do you do you
Speaker 1: think there's any chance whatsoever that Noah Brown is ready
Speaker 1: to step in and be a much bigger contributor year.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, and I get this from fans all
Speaker 1: the time when we talk about safety. You know, Jerry
Speaker 1: Jerry confirmed for us basically what we already knew, which
Speaker 1: is that they're going to give Byron a look at cornerback,
Speaker 1: and so you talk about, you know, that's a need
Speaker 1: you gotta fill this. You get the same thing with
Speaker 1: wide receiver. And I get comments from people all the
Speaker 1: time it's like, well, you don't believe in Xavier Woods
Speaker 1: and Cavan Frasier, and you can say the same thing
Speaker 1: about Noah Browns, like why all this talk about replacing
Speaker 1: Dez when you got Noah Brown on the roster, why
Speaker 1: don't you give Xavier Woods a shot. And I don't
Speaker 1: mean that as a shot at any of those guys.
Speaker 1: I think they're all great players that could develop into
Speaker 1: you know, starting caliber players. But you can't. You can't
Speaker 1: approach a season on that mindset. You can't bank on
Speaker 1: a seventh round pick becoming a starter. You gotta spend resources.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just if you if you go into
Speaker 1: a season you know with you're like, well, if the
Speaker 1: best case scenario plays out, will be pretty good, you're
Speaker 1: probably gonna get Well, he's not even a guy that
Speaker 1: when you talk about wide receivers for the Cowboys that
Speaker 1: that name, that name doesn't really cross my mind right
Speaker 1: talking about wide receivers. But then he did come into
Speaker 1: my mind break I might wait, he absolutely and could
Speaker 1: develop into a really good player. I think he's awesome.
Speaker 1: He had a great training camp. The fact the matter is,
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys take a wide receiver earlier parts of
Speaker 1: the draft, as many expect they would, and let's say,
Speaker 1: for example, Des is still on this team, there's a
Speaker 1: scenario where maybe Noah isn't on this team, Like oh no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you don't think no, because you got that eighty three
Speaker 1: over there, that's just got it one more year before
Speaker 1: you can cut tides there, So how many would you
Speaker 1: carry on this team? I've got into that kind of situation.
Speaker 1: I just think you can't make a decision. I mean,
Speaker 1: if Noah Brown is good and then you draft someone,
Speaker 1: I just think that they have the bad contract. Here
Speaker 1: was the one they did with Terrence. Everybody all saw that,
Speaker 1: and that that's what they got to have to figure out.
Speaker 1: They have to got one more year to kind of
Speaker 1: go through that where I think you can realistically cut him.
Speaker 1: But let's say that that he's gone. Let's say what
Speaker 1: des is gone, and maybe we'll see more out of Terrence.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I'm not I'm not expecting that. Also. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying you got to remember, like these you
Speaker 1: draft someone, you gotta remember a couple of years ahead.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if if if Terrence Williams has
Speaker 1: another season like he had last year, I don't think
Speaker 1: he would be back. If they keep Dez and draft
Speaker 1: a receiver, they're probably bringing Bryce Butler back, right, and
Speaker 1: so that would still just leave you with six, which
Speaker 1: is the same number you But at some point, don't
Speaker 1: you expect that that last guy on the roster at
Speaker 1: wide receiver is going to have to do more than
Speaker 1: just be the last guy on the roster right. Well
Speaker 1: that but I'm Noah Brown. I mean he blocked, he
Speaker 1: he played some special teams like he's not just like
Speaker 1: a wasted use of a game. Jersey So started playing more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't that doesn't bother me right now, All right,
Speaker 1: let's take Let's go ahead and get back to free agency.
Speaker 1: Before we do that, though, Nick had a message for
Speaker 1: all you loyal listeners out there. Well, I had a
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Speaker 1: down it went? Are you standing? I wish? Just why
Speaker 1: do they stand up? My shoes got caught in the
Speaker 1: chair too. It's a little. It was a debacle. I'm
Speaker 1: glad that was all on that. That was worse than
Speaker 1: than this joke that I had. So that's good at
Speaker 1: offset that. Glad that was all on camera forever. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'll keep my mouth. It is for the sake of saved.
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Speaker 1: back to free ag. I went south like you did, exactly.
Speaker 1: I want to talk a Anthony Hitchins because he is
Speaker 1: the guy, if you look at this list that will
Speaker 1: probably generate the most interest in free agency this year
Speaker 1: across the NFL. Not that he's gonna be, like you know,
Speaker 1: priority one for a lot of teams, but he will
Speaker 1: be a guy that I think there will be some
Speaker 1: teams that will express some interest. What are your thoughts
Speaker 1: on number one, how he played, and then number two,
Speaker 1: whether you think it's even possible that the Cowboys could
Speaker 1: bring him back understanding the cap ramifications of what they've
Speaker 1: already done and what they're expected to do over the
Speaker 1: next few weeks. I think he's a baller. I think
Speaker 1: he had his best season. He missed like the first
Speaker 1: month of the season because of the injury to his
Speaker 1: knee in the preseason, still played like a total badass. Played,
Speaker 1: can play, Mike, can play, Will could play Sam if
Speaker 1: you needed him too, But why would you? Because he
Speaker 1: can do the other two. He might be the toughest
Speaker 1: player on the team. He gets hurt. I remember standing
Speaker 1: there in Oakland. He got hurt in the end zone
Speaker 1: right before the heath play. Never would have thought that
Speaker 1: he's gonna play the next week and he but he does.
Speaker 1: I mean he fights through it him. He's he's witting,
Speaker 1: like on the defensive side. When it comes to that.
Speaker 1: People will always talk about him getting hurt. But he
Speaker 1: doesn't miss a lot of games. He really doesn't. He
Speaker 1: came back. Can't he tell you that too? What made
Speaker 1: I come into him? Yeah? I did? Yeah, you know, well?
Speaker 1: And then and then what happened. He missed the next
Speaker 1: four games, so maybe he shouldn't have been well. I mean,
Speaker 1: he broke up, he broke a bone in his knee,
Speaker 1: and yeah, he was backed by like October tenth or
Speaker 1: whatever the Green Bay game was. I mean, he's not
Speaker 1: an all pro, but he's he's he's just he's really good.
Speaker 1: He's a glue guy, great locker room guy, not like
Speaker 1: you know, good team character guy. Um, he's that guy
Speaker 1: that it's like he got two phones and you're like
Speaker 1: talking to his agent here and then you're talking about
Speaker 1: Jaylen Smith's rehab over here, Like hold on, how are
Speaker 1: we looking over here? Because if we're looking really good,
Speaker 1: and then he's gonna have a chance to really be
Speaker 1: much better than I I think it's just probably too
Speaker 1: much to try to pay him here because you kind
Speaker 1: of went for it with Jalen Smith, and I think
Speaker 1: we're gonna see where Jalen's going to be a good player.
Speaker 1: But I mean, and then the wild car obviously is
Speaker 1: Sean Lee and his health. But I think I think
Speaker 1: you gotta go get it. And you might have said
Speaker 1: this last time we talk, get another hitchens, Yeah, draft
Speaker 1: another guy, And they tried with I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: that's not as easy as they tried with Damien Wilson. Wait, well,
Speaker 1: I think Barry Church is a great corollary for Hitchens.
Speaker 1: I think it's the same. You know, he's a glue guy,
Speaker 1: good character guy, very good starter for your team. Not
Speaker 1: probably not ever going to be a pro bowler. He's
Speaker 1: not gonna be in headlines about free agency. You know.
Speaker 1: I read a free agency preview where like he wasn't
Speaker 1: even on the short list of linebacker, which I thought
Speaker 1: was kind of insulting. But I think, you know, I
Speaker 1: think a team would give him twenty to thirty millions.
Speaker 1: I mean, Barry got twenty six in Jacksonville. He wasn't
Speaker 1: even I think he was the fourth biggest signing they
Speaker 1: made last year. But he was obviously a key part
Speaker 1: of that defense that got them to the conference title game.
Speaker 1: I see something similar for him, Like he's not going
Speaker 1: to break the bank, but it'll probably be more than
Speaker 1: the Cowboys gonna afford with the structure of everything else
Speaker 1: they have to do. But he might be one of
Speaker 1: those guys that it, like you said, if he's not
Speaker 1: in that first wave of stuff, he might be a
Speaker 1: guy that that now the Cowboys start and they call
Speaker 1: him back and say, all right, and it's been a week. Um,
Speaker 1: I love. I feel like I have to point this out.
Speaker 1: I mean I spent all last spring just saying by
Speaker 1: the Terrence like, no way, no how, and sure enough
Speaker 1: they signed back. So anything's possible. But if I had
Speaker 1: to bet on it, I think he'll get a better
Speaker 1: offer from somebody else. And I actually talked to Stephen
Speaker 1: another example of thirty one is better than one, just
Speaker 1: in general, unless you're playing golf the field most part,
Speaker 1: thirty one teams yes, seem to thank you, right. And
Speaker 1: you look at the amount of money that's out there
Speaker 1: in free agents. I mean that's there caps there. There's
Speaker 1: a team that has one hundred million dollars in cap space,
Speaker 1: So there are teams that have a plenty of money
Speaker 1: to spend Browns. I think it's Cleveland. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: there's one hundred different but I think there's another one
Speaker 1: has like eighty nine. Like, there's teams that have a
Speaker 1: bi a month, gonna be good billion dollars in cap space. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of room out there for teams. So
Speaker 1: that's what makes it really hard for the Cowboys. Is
Speaker 1: that not Not only he's a good player, but there
Speaker 1: are a lot of teams with a lot of money
Speaker 1: that are trying to fill holes that will do it
Speaker 1: with free agency. We talked to Stephen about that in India,
Speaker 1: and I mean they need two linebackers because Wilbur and
Speaker 1: Hitchins are both free agents. Whether they bring them back,
Speaker 1: whether they sign another guy and draft another guy, I
Speaker 1: think linebackers another spot where it's a pretty good bet
Speaker 1: they'll find a way to draft one. Do they talk
Speaker 1: at all about about Damien Wilson and kind of where
Speaker 1: he is at this point? Are they relying on him,
Speaker 1: do they want to do they want to see more
Speaker 1: opportunities for him. Do they feel like if they let
Speaker 1: Hitchens go he fills that role or is it just
Speaker 1: one of situations where they kind of like he is
Speaker 1: what he is, will roll out the contract, We'll finish
Speaker 1: out the contract and that's it. I do not think
Speaker 1: his name came up, So do with that what you will,
Speaker 1: although depending on how things shake out, I think, you know,
Speaker 1: he's probably your primary candidate to play Sam or at
Speaker 1: least one of them, and then he can make a
Speaker 1: push if they want him too. But I don't think
Speaker 1: we really talked about it. Okay, I think nineteen could
Speaker 1: be possible for you know, linebacker. Well, there's really only
Speaker 1: two in the first round, and that I guess one
Speaker 1: of him could fall if these quarterbacks jump up there
Speaker 1: with the two pens On Smith in Edmonds, but I
Speaker 1: don't Tremaine Edmunds is there Boys State, He's he's boys
Speaker 1: the state. It was six names is coming up there, Layton, Layton,
Speaker 1: vander Esh that's only three. Whatever he's climbing, he's climbing
Speaker 1: up the arguy will mess it up. He's claiming up
Speaker 1: the prospect board. I don't know. He looks like Sean
Speaker 1: Lee Tomy like with watching him, watching him, No big guy,
Speaker 1: he's he's just good size. I heard him compared to Urlocker.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's tall and like that. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I mean well, I didn't like the comparison.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen Layton and Van Durash returned punts like
Speaker 1: Erlacker did in college. He was the point east. I
Speaker 1: resolved me and Brian both Dane Brugler convinced this that
Speaker 1: we need to watch him again because I didn't love
Speaker 1: him when I watched him, I was like, Okay, you're
Speaker 1: pretty good. I guess I don't know, but can I
Speaker 1: get your thoughts? I don't know where this is on
Speaker 1: your list, but since we're talking these guys, can I
Speaker 1: would just get your thoughts on Shaquine Griffin? What do
Speaker 1: you need my thoughts for? Like, he put it all
Speaker 1: out there for everybody, right, But would you but would
Speaker 1: you draft him knowing that he could play in the NFL? Yes?
Speaker 1: Where would you draft him? Fourth round pick one sixteen?
Speaker 1: And where does he play for this team? I would
Speaker 1: he would be a special team's monster, and then you
Speaker 1: put him out there in certain situations like pass rush situations.
Speaker 1: I'd put him on the field in that um three
Speaker 1: down linemen whatever you know, money forty four or whatever.
Speaker 1: Let him be just a designated pass rusher. Basically, he's
Speaker 1: fast as hell and he gets to the quarterback. He's
Speaker 1: unbelieved when when I when I think about him, and
Speaker 1: I think about, Okay, every play, here comes a guard
Speaker 1: that's pulling, and you know this, here's big sixty six
Speaker 1: for the Packers and he's got to shed this block.
Speaker 1: You think he could get get by that? I mean
Speaker 1: with what he's overcome in his life to be able
Speaker 1: to to to bench press twenty reps like that. I
Speaker 1: mean like he's overcome this his whole life. So nothing
Speaker 1: that is put on in front of him in a
Speaker 1: football field's ever really going to to be something that
Speaker 1: he can't overcome, you know what I mean? To me,
Speaker 1: he seems like a winner, like he can he can
Speaker 1: figure it. I mean out I guarrant if they haven't already,
Speaker 1: well I don't. I don't know if they met with
Speaker 1: him at the combine. I have no idea if they're
Speaker 1: going to try to bring him here, but they will
Speaker 1: fall in love with his personality. He's that, he's well,
Speaker 1: he's that in here. No, yeah, well I don't want
Speaker 1: I don't know who he met with or you know
Speaker 1: one the Jason wittne War Yeah he was right from Yeah, Um,
Speaker 1: he's he's got an infectious personality. He'd be an amazing
Speaker 1: locker room guy. You kind of lose me when you
Speaker 1: start talking about like the third round, because I want
Speaker 1: a starter. I want a full time starter in the
Speaker 1: third round. I don't I'm not willing to make that jump.
Speaker 1: And so but we'll pick one sixteen have him be
Speaker 1: on all your special teams, be a great locker room guy,
Speaker 1: probably would be a captain at some point in his career,
Speaker 1: and then he can come in and do stuff like
Speaker 1: rush the passer and disrupt plays. Absolutely. The closest example
Speaker 1: that we've really seen the NFL is JPP. He lost
Speaker 1: his hand or part of his hand in that fireworks accident,
Speaker 1: and you listen to the people talk about his play
Speaker 1: in New York. He's not the same player. He's still
Speaker 1: a good player, not the same player, And that's the
Speaker 1: only thing that makes me a little bit concerned. And again,
Speaker 1: you're right. What this kid has overcome suggests that he
Speaker 1: has the ability to overcome a lot more than the
Speaker 1: average person. I just don't know, because I've never played
Speaker 1: linebacker in the NFL. How valuable is that hand, Like,
Speaker 1: are there certain things that without that hand you're not
Speaker 1: gonna be able? You just can't. Not seen players play
Speaker 1: with a club yet. And that's but again, that's equivalent.
Speaker 1: You're right. JPP was pick eleven and he's a franchise
Speaker 1: caliber pass rusher. That's I'm not drafting not equivalent. Hold on,
Speaker 1: real quick, it's not equivalent because when you play with
Speaker 1: that you wrap it up and now you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is weird since he was five, never done it before.
Speaker 1: And also here's another thing. Is it a twin or
Speaker 1: just an older brother twin twin? Okay, so when you
Speaker 1: have a twin brother, especially one that that has more capabilities,
Speaker 1: he's been he's been battling his whole They even asked
Speaker 1: him after the forty what we were thinking. It was
Speaker 1: that faster than my brother. I mean, like, this guy's
Speaker 1: been doing this his whole life, so he understands. It's
Speaker 1: like Jim Abbott when he was pitching that guy, I understand,
Speaker 1: you know, knew how to put the glove here, and
Speaker 1: because that's just what you do, is what you do,
Speaker 1: he knows how to do it. He'll he'll get more
Speaker 1: turnovers than Honestly, I think Jalen's case would have worried
Speaker 1: me more than him. Yeah, good point. I wouldn't, but
Speaker 1: I wouldn't draft him to play sixty defensive snaps a game.
Speaker 1: That's I'm I'm looking at him on day three. I've
Speaker 1: heard people say they'd draft him in the third round,
Speaker 1: and that seems early to me because I want a
Speaker 1: guy that's drafted in the third round to play every snap.
Speaker 1: I don't think I would draft him to do that,
Speaker 1: but I think he could be a hell of an
Speaker 1: addition as a role player for any team. And I
Speaker 1: don't think I don't I think anybody's gonna be afraid
Speaker 1: of drafting him. I think everybody's gonna have an idea
Speaker 1: of what they could do with him. Since Nick took
Speaker 1: us there, give me a couple names of some other
Speaker 1: guys that did out to you at the Combine that
Speaker 1: you think are worthy of Cowboys fans keeping an eye on. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, good players did good things at the Combine
Speaker 1: that also would be available to the Cowboys. Put me
Speaker 1: on the spot, Um, I think one way or another,
Speaker 1: I think a good receiver will be there for them somewhere,
Speaker 1: Like it's just too good of a receiver class, and
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley, he didn't blow people away with his measurable help.
Speaker 1: Get Yeah, absolutely, I'm you know it'll be dicey, but
Speaker 1: I think he'll be in that range. And if he
Speaker 1: doesn't get to nineteen, then he could at least fall
Speaker 1: to a spot where you feel comfortable trading up for him.
Speaker 1: If you would, You would you think he's good enough
Speaker 1: that you would give up picks in order to move
Speaker 1: up to get him. No, because there's so many other
Speaker 1: I mean, my guy DJ Moore, he's probably he moved
Speaker 1: himself into the first round conversation. He measured in way taller,
Speaker 1: the way taller than people thought he would with three
Speaker 1: inches tall, way faster. Um, can I change it? Can
Speaker 1: I change the question? Does is released? Yeah? You didn't
Speaker 1: really love what you got in free agency? I mean, okay,
Speaker 1: you got Bryce and you got what it is. You
Speaker 1: got a guy from there. There's gotta be a body.
Speaker 1: There's gotta be a guy that I'm saying, but yeah,
Speaker 1: that's Bryce. We've all agreed. Another guy. You got a
Speaker 1: guy for you who I don't I can't think of one.
Speaker 1: I don't even know who's available. But you just got
Speaker 1: someone that's whatever. So now Ridley is that fifteen sixteen?
Speaker 1: Still wouldn't do it, Still wouldn't trade on Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean that does a lot about what you think
Speaker 1: of Ridley, right, I just I mean Dane, he's he
Speaker 1: describes him as a great number. He'll be an awesome
Speaker 1: number two receiver in the NFL. He might be the
Speaker 1: best number two in the league. You trade up for
Speaker 1: that I'm not is there a number one? If he's
Speaker 1: a top rated receiver, then is there a number one
Speaker 1: receiver in this class? Now you can project now. I
Speaker 1: know that there will be people that we don't see today.
Speaker 1: I'm just stealing words out of Dane's mouth. But like, Okay,
Speaker 1: Courtland Sutton is a guy that could develop into a
Speaker 1: one receiver. He's also probably the rawest of all of
Speaker 1: the make helping Cowboys right now right now, which the
Speaker 1: dudes that you're looking at are like ready made number
Speaker 1: twos who could come in here right away. I mean
Speaker 1: Dj Moore, Calvin Ridley, Michael Gallup is another one that
Speaker 1: people like a lot um. What I love about Dj
Speaker 1: Moore that that I think fits this team so well
Speaker 1: is just the sheer number of quarterbacks he's had to
Speaker 1: play with and he's been productive with all of them.
Speaker 1: And when you're talking about a young quarterback that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have, that just gives me a little more. That
Speaker 1: makes me think that he's the kind of receiver that's
Speaker 1: gonna get open present himself. Well, it's just quarterback will
Speaker 1: be able to make easy throws to get it to
Speaker 1: him and then he'll make play. I'm at SMU quarterback
Speaker 1: that was in the in the league. No, he's not.
Speaker 1: That's what gets That's what gets me about Courtland Suttland,
Speaker 1: a Sutton, He's he's playing now. I'm just saying that
Speaker 1: just the number, the number that Dj Moore's had to
Speaker 1: play with and been productive with those guys like that,
Speaker 1: just to me, that blows my mind when you think
Speaker 1: about sheer number of quarterbacks. You don't have to sell
Speaker 1: me on Dj Moore. I just worry. I'm so but
Speaker 1: I like him so much. I think he moved himself
Speaker 1: into the first round at the Combine and I absolutely
Speaker 1: would you, but I don't think the Cowboys would draft
Speaker 1: him at nineteen. So it almost feels futile to talk about.
Speaker 1: But do you think that this is a situation where
Speaker 1: the Cowboys would be if let's say he's moved himself
Speaker 1: in the first round but it's late first round, does
Speaker 1: that present an opportunity maybe where you drop back because
Speaker 1: you feel like eating a lot of guys we like.
Speaker 1: If we got back to twenty three, we might still
Speaker 1: be able to trading down the board. Trading down the
Speaker 1: board would be my absolute ideal scenario because whether it's
Speaker 1: DJ Moore whether it's Will Hernandez, the guard from Utah,
Speaker 1: whether it's Isaiah Winnut he's huge, whether it's one of
Speaker 1: the tight ends. What there's a variety of guys that
Speaker 1: should be there between twenty and thirty two that I
Speaker 1: would feel just fine taking, especially if you can add
Speaker 1: another pick to that. The problem is who's who's so
Speaker 1: desperate to get up? We're talking about how bad your options.
Speaker 1: That's where you hope those one of those quarterbacks is
Speaker 1: still sitting there and somebody wants to get up. Damn him, right,
Speaker 1: you hope? But I mean, you know I always won him.
Speaker 1: The Saints are a team that like love that people
Speaker 1: love to put Lamar Jackson. Maybe that's an option. Maybe
Speaker 1: they feel like he'll keep falling. I mean, how many
Speaker 1: teams between the Cowboys and the Saints need a quarterback?
Speaker 1: The Bills come to mind, a lot of people think
Speaker 1: the Bills might trade up into the tens or whatever,
Speaker 1: like the Chiefs did last year. So it's I don't
Speaker 1: I've never been more clueless about what the first round
Speaker 1: in the draft looks like it's gonna be. Like I
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be. Really I said this way back,
Speaker 1: you know, a few months ago that the biggest move
Speaker 1: of the offseason, the biggest decision is Deaz because that
Speaker 1: everything we're talking about is different whether or not he's
Speaker 1: on the team, right, absolutely, all right, we appreciate you
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