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Speaker 1: Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that.

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Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: wa with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and

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Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. It is Wednesday, March seventh, twenty eighteen, Season thirteen,

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Speaker 1: episode number one oh four. Welcome to another edition of

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Speaker 1: The Break, live from the s WBC Mortgage Studios at

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Speaker 1: the Star. Happy to be back in studio with all

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Speaker 1: of our crew here. It seems like it's in the offseason.

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Speaker 1: See sick, way too much time between our shows. And

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Speaker 1: actually we'll have a little bit of a disconnect again

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Speaker 1: next week. I'll be out next week and then maybe

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Speaker 1: to keep us keep us going here. How's everybody doing

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Speaker 1: this morning? Great? Thanks for asking, We're doing well. You

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Speaker 1: didn't say you say it more brand. How are you

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Speaker 1: doing guys, Hey, thank you Amber, You did that well.

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Speaker 1: How are you this morning? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, good trying

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Speaker 1: to practice my English again. It's been a while. I

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Speaker 1: saw that. Was that a dig at us or was

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Speaker 1: the show again. So those that don't know, I think

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Speaker 1: Amber was taking a shot because she wasn't on the

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Speaker 1: been on vacation though. How that go? It was great? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: great time. Uh, glad to be back my land where

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Speaker 1: people speak my language. So that was good. But I'm

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Speaker 1: glad to be back on my other land. Good, my

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Speaker 1: other homeland. Good, good Land sounds so official land. And

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Speaker 1: then this is the homeland U States. Yeah, got it good? Great?

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Speaker 1: From when I go through homeline security, you know we're

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Speaker 1: doing anyways from Cowboys Cowboys, we got a lot to

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Speaker 1: talk about. There is um free agency starts next week

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Speaker 1: next Wednesday, I think it is free agency will begin.

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Speaker 1: as will all teams around the league. And then but

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Speaker 1: through our list of free agents that the Cowboys will

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Speaker 1: have to make decisions on. But before we get to that,

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Speaker 1: I do want to talk about DeMarcus Lawrence, who this

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Speaker 1: last Just in the last couple of days, the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: have made it official. They have put the franchise tag

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Speaker 1: basics of that. How much it with this deal? How

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Speaker 1: much is DeMarcus Lawrence guaranteed? And what's left for the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys from the standpoint of the mouth, they have under

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Speaker 1: the cap at this point, twelve dollars. Twelve dollars, that's

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Speaker 1: how much they have right now in the cap, maybe

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Speaker 1: like ten to fifty depend I'm just kidding. It's down there.

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Speaker 1: It's not a lot. It's not a lot. Man. They

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Speaker 1: I've been but like I've been trying to get to

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't know any projection that I one

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Speaker 1: with the tag, the tag this year set the cost

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Speaker 1: But if you get seventeen sacks like Dwight Freeney kind

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Speaker 1: It would be very expensive to do that, Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: probably already projecting those things. They've already projected. David Irving's

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Speaker 1: They've known they were going to do that for a while.

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Speaker 1: I think that he will be in the mix to

428
00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:24,400
Speaker 1: compete for a job. I forgot how severe was that injury?

429
00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:29,119
Speaker 1: Racl That wasn't pretty sure, I've been more than that.

430
00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,679
Speaker 1: It happened in Atlanta on November twelfth, ended his season,

431
00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,360
Speaker 1: So I mean it wasn't it did? Yeah? I saw

432
00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,480
Speaker 1: it where he got I thought he got November six,

433
00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,200
Speaker 1: he's he signed. I mean he had a surgery November six.

434
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,400
Speaker 1: Oh well, then maybe maybe it was the week before that.

435
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,440
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know it happened. Yeah, he was out

436
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:46,840
Speaker 1: for the rest of the year. I thought it happened

437
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:50,160
Speaker 1: against Atlanta. Maybe maybe everything, I mean, nothing really bad

438
00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,400
Speaker 1: happened in Atlanta. Yeah, how could you remember anything other

439
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:57,280
Speaker 1: than like, he's he's restricted, but he's undrafted, exclusive rights,

440
00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,679
Speaker 1: exclusive right, right, Yeah, he's exclusive rights. He's back if

441
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,440
Speaker 1: they want him, and you feel like they want him, Yeah,

442
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,800
Speaker 1: I think so. I think you know, he's just he's

443
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,439
Speaker 1: a one technique he's yeah, okay, great, let's move on

444
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 1: to a David Irving. He has a restricted Tell me

445
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,679
Speaker 1: about how he played last year. Yes, when he was

446
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:18,880
Speaker 1: played well, when he played, when he was on the field,

447
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:20,680
Speaker 1: he was pretty damn good. But that's a part of it.

448
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,000
Speaker 1: Was eight games that were really good. Absolutely. That's a

449
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 1: part of this is that I don't know that that

450
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,480
Speaker 1: you really can trust that he's always going to be available,

451
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,200
Speaker 1: and with a concussion, he still got on the field

452
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 1: and played. Well. That's not good. No, I know, he

453
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 1: was well and he was suspended for the first month, right,

454
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 1: and the last month. Yeah, he had lingering effects from

455
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 1: a concussion that he didn't report. So great, dude, trustworthy,

456
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,680
Speaker 1: maybe not so much so it's a long term deal.

457
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 1: Is that Is this a guy that you would invest

458
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 1: a long term deal in or do you kind of

459
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,119
Speaker 1: gender and just kind of have him for another un

460
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 1: see where it goes. We had a really heated conversation

461
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,200
Speaker 1: about that on one of our drafts from Indie because

462
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 1: I just have a hard time reconciling, Like, you spend

463
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 1: so much time looking for pass rushers, it's so important,

464
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 1: you've been so bad at it. And you found a

465
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,399
Speaker 1: defensive tackle who's capable of getting seven in eight games

466
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 1: and you don't get the sense that he's that big

467
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 1: of a priority in terms of keeping around for the

468
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 1: long But is that because you're only going to get

469
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 1: eight games year? Well? And yeah, I mean there's a

470
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 1: lot of reasons that you might feel that way. And

471
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 1: on top of that, I mean, if you're going to

472
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 1: try to make DeMarcus Lawrence a cowboy for life or whatever,

473
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 1: I mean, there's only so much money to go around.

474
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 1: They they're well aware that there's a very good chance

475
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,879
Speaker 1: they'll have to pay Dak. You got to worry about Zeke.

476
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 1: You got other young talented players that they're going to

477
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 1: have to pay at some point. So you know, at

478
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 1: some point, it's a lot like you know, DeMarco Murray.

479
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 1: It's not that they didn't like him or any other

480
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 1: free agent they've let go. It's not that they don't

481
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 1: like him, it's that money only goes so far. You Know,

482
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 1: what I love with him is that on the line,

483
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 1: like let's say you don't have him back, and now

484
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 1: you're left with DeMarcus Lawrence obviously the main guy on

485
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,199
Speaker 1: the line. Right Therefore, whoever else comes in, they're not

486
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 1: going to outshine DeMarcus Lorens. And by having David Irving,

487
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 1: to me, from what I've seen, it plays such a

488
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 1: great balance there because even if you're focusing on d Law,

489
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 1: you still have David Irving that you cannot just let

490
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,120
Speaker 1: him fly by because he's going to get the job

491
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 1: done as well. So it's such a great balance and

492
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 1: great chemistry between the two that I think it's awesome

493
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 1: to have him there. And you can't just put it

494
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,719
Speaker 1: all on d Law. He's a tough mismatch because of

495
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:36,120
Speaker 1: his size and especially when you've got if you exactly right,

496
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 1: I mean, when you have a running back that needs

497
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: to look over here or tied end to chip over here,

498
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 1: he's tough for one guy in the middle to stop.

499
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 1: Now the tenders are out, I think it's just easy

500
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 1: that he will be a second round tender two point

501
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 1: nine one million. That's what they'd have to pay for him.

502
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: If somebody else signed him to a deal, that Cowboys

503
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 1: have the chance to match it. If not, they will

504
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 1: receive a second round pick that will probably a teams

505
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: off to not messing with it. You could also do

506
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: a first round tender four point one Well, I think

507
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: the I think they would take the second round pick

508
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 1: and say see you later. The first I think that's

509
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: say I don't think would scare teams off. The first

510
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: round tender I think would scare teams off. But I

511
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: think the logic that I come around to is that

512
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,679
Speaker 1: the second round tender just might be low enough. And

513
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 1: you saw this play out with um C J Anderson

514
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 1: with Denver in Miami lasts. I think it was last

515
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 1: year um Denver put the tender on him, Miami offered

516
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: him a deal, and then Denver beat it out to

517
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: keep him. So I mean, so I think the second

518
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 1: round maybe makes him just appealing enough that somebody offers

519
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 1: him a contract, And if they did, I think the

520
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 1: Cowboys would be more than happy to take that second

521
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: round pick. Yep. And then and you're okay with it,

522
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 1: You're okay with lending that caliber player it second round pick.

523
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not going to go as far as

524
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: to say I'm okay with it. It's a tough pill

525
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 1: to swallow. Pass rushers are hard to find, but especially

526
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 1: interior pass rushers. If they're determined that they're not going

527
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,239
Speaker 1: to give him a long term deal, they might as

528
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 1: well get something for it. I'm sure that's their logic.

529
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 1: But it's like one of those things where either option

530
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: is still a good option, you know. Yeah, so, yeah,

531
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: they take the second rounder preferably, preferably it's like, you know,

532
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: a Cleveland or somebody was high second. It'll be no

533
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 1: that I do I think so, I don't think that.

534
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: I think it's the top of the second. You wouldn't

535
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: give your second for David Irving unless it's like you

536
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: might New England or Philly or something way down down there.

537
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: You might, I don't. I mean, it's a defensive tackle

538
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 1: that's capable of getting seven sacks. Those guys don't grow

539
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: on trees, which is precisely the reason why, in my opinion,

540
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: the second round tender may not be worth it. Like

541
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 1: if if you're going to get back, if you're okay

542
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: with that, you're gonna get back a second round pick.

543
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: Name the last time you've had a second round pick

544
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: that's an interior defensive line I could generate the pass rush.

545
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: Certainly they you're not going to replace that production with

546
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: a second round pick, are you. They certainly don't have

547
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 1: the eight games or the four at the end of

548
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: replace can you replace the seven saxes at a interior

549
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: defensive line position. Let's run down the list of their

550
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 1: last ten second round picks for as it was the

551
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: last time the Cowboys had a good pass rush year exactly,

552
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: and that included David Irving in the time that he

553
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: was on the field, which I agree, if you're willing

554
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: to really play the long games, what I would love

555
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: is if they put the tender on him and nobody's interested,

556
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 1: then you're only so you're paying him two point nine million.

557
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: Then when he hits unrestricted free agency, you can let

558
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: him go and you probably get, if not a third

559
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: then at least a fourth round compensatory pick for him

560
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. I mean, that's the long game. But

561
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: I think they're better next year if he's on this team,

562
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: and I just look at I think there's I would

563
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: guess if you're if I would think like you were

564
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 1: talking about a free eight with the franchise tag, I

565
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: would think a team would have to start at whatever

566
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: that amount is for the second round tender was two

567
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: point whatever a million. I think there will be teams

568
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 1: that will be willing to do him, do a deal

569
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 1: with him that's a three or four year deal that

570
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 1: averages three four million a year. I think there will

571
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: be too, and especially if they backloaded to where they're

572
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: not really tied to the final year, final two years,

573
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: whatever it is. I think there'll be teams out there

574
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 1: that are willing to do that. And I think so.

575
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: I think if you do a second round tender on him,

576
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: I could very easily see a scenario where he no

577
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: longer is with this team, and I think that's a

578
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: big blow to the Cowboys. I agree, I will. I

579
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 1: mean the flip side of that coin, if you trust

580
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 1: them to draft, well, this is a deep defensive tackle class.

581
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: I mean, they could get a good defensive tackle in

582
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 1: the second round with the pick they get for him,

583
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: But I'd rather have him on the team than not.

584
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: The big thing about that, though, is you got a

585
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: lot of positions where you could use a second round

586
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: ship on those positions. So it just adds to that list.

587
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, it just adds to that list

588
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: of guys you now have to fill in the draft,

589
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: you know, And I think that list is sizeable. I think,

590
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: all right, let's move on. Let's talk about Keith Smith,

591
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: fullback for the Cowboys. How do you play last year?

592
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: What were your thoughts on him? I love that guy,

593
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 1: and and you know, his roles and fullbacks probably overstated

594
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: a little bit. He was on the field as a

595
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 1: fullback twelve percent of the time. It's not I mean,

596
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: he's good when he's out there, but it's just not

597
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 1: like it's this huge component. But he's a special teams guy.

598
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 1: He's great on special teams. He does his job in

599
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: the offense. He's got probably the most underrated hands on

600
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: the team. Maybe, I mean, he only gets like two

601
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: opportunities per year, but I'm just always impressed at how

602
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: well he catches for a converted linebacker. Um. I think

603
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: he's a good locker room guy. He's got a lot

604
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: of attitude, he's got some dog to him. He's a queue.

605
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: So um, yeah, And there was a don't do it, Nick,

606
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: don't do it. And i've seen you paunched a training camp.

607
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: There was there was a report last week and he's

608
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: he's restricted. He was undrafted. They're not going to put

609
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: a tender on an undrafted guy. It doesn't make sense. Um,

610
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: but there's a report that they want him back and

611
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: they're going to try to get a deal done with him.

612
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: Your deal should not be hard. I mean a lot

613
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: like before you you know, you forget Jeff Heath wasn't

614
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,959
Speaker 1: a starter when he signed that deal. It was very similar.

615
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: It's not like there's this huge demand for his services.

616
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: So that happens a lot. They'll buy basically, they're buying

617
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: next year's free agent year for them. They'll basically buy it.

618
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: So it's a two year. I would imagine he'll get

619
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: like a two or three year deal. And because of

620
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: the tender, even though the lowest tenders one point nine

621
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: and you're not gonna do that for a fullback. So

622
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: I think he'll get like, he'll probably get like a

623
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: two year deal worth about you know, two million, maybe

624
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: one eight something like that. I'm not Yeah, a little

625
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: bit of money in his pocket and put him very

626
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: team friendly deal he's I mean yeah, I would be

627
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: surprised if they don't try to keep him around at

628
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: a and the money's not big enough that it's even

629
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: really a big deal. I would actually love to see

630
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: them use him a little bit more, especially your yardage.

631
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: I think there's an opportunity for him not only carrying

632
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: the ball, but leaking out of the backfield and catching

633
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: the ball some too. So I hope they resigned him.

634
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: I hope they use him a little bit more in

635
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: the offense. I think they need a little more diversity

636
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: and he could provide that. Do we need to speed

637
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: this up? Yeah, we need to faster. So sorry, free guys,

638
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: sorry undrafted free agents. Let's move on to Byron Bell.

639
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: You take it left tackle. I mean, I gotta believe

640
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Speaker 1: there's a veteran tackle that you could get for the

641
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Speaker 1: same or maybe a little bit more who might be better.

642
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Speaker 1: But if that's whatever, I'd eb You don't feel bad

643
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: about them bringing him back. You don't feel great about

644
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: the letting him go. I mean you'll feel bad about

645
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: them letting him go. I feel bad if their plan

646
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: is to just let him be the swing tackle without

647
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: any competition. You know, but either fine about same thing.

648
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: I just I mean, he's he's under contract. He I know,

649
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Speaker 1: that's that's his competition, right, Draft a guy or spend

650
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: a little bit more money to get a better caliber player.

651
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: That's pretty much how I feel. All right, let's move

652
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Speaker 1: on to Jonathan Cooper. How do you play last year?

653
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Speaker 1: Give me as a Scotter report. I played pretty well

654
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: when he when he uh, when he finally got in

655
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Speaker 1: there and and got you know, was was the solidified starter.

656
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: I thought he did a pretty good job. I had

657
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Speaker 1: a tough injury there at the last game of the season,

658
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Speaker 1: and I think that's gonna hurt any kind of leverage

659
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Speaker 1: he might have. So I think therefore, I think he

660
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Speaker 1: comes back. I think the Cowboys resign him and bring

661
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: him back. Probably a pretty decent deal for the Cowboys

662
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Speaker 1: and maybe the potential to have a guy that that starts.

663
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Speaker 1: But I don't think he is the set starter again.

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Speaker 1: I think he'd have to earn him once again. So

665
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Speaker 1: who do you think's gonna be the set starter? I

666
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Speaker 1: don't know if he's on the team. Okay, veteran draft

667
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Speaker 1: what I would imagine if I had to guess, you

668
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: resign him, nice deal, draft the guy middle rounds. Hope

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Speaker 1: that he can play a little center as well. You

670
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Speaker 1: get some versatility there or maybe tackle as well. Guardia,

671
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Speaker 1: I expecting him to come. If he's a middle round guy,

672
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Speaker 1: he's not coming in next year and starting right over

673
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Speaker 1: a guy that played pretty well as a starter. This

674
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: you wouldn't think. But you never know. You never know. Okay,

675
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Speaker 1: you let them compete. I would let them compet a

676
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Speaker 1: training camp, you know, just see what the other guy

677
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Speaker 1: has got. If he's better, you earned your spot. Yeah,

678
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: there we go. All right, let's go to Alfred Morse.

679
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: Take that love love him, I mean everyone loves Alfred

680
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: and but I just depends how much money it is.

681
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: I would say that cow. We still needed running back.

682
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Speaker 1: I don't know if they would just choose the option

683
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Speaker 1: to draft one later later in the draft, but I

684
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't mind him having back, having him back. Although we

685
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: started seeing, you know, them not really using him that much,

686
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: so maybe that's a sign that they're done with him.

687
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty clear, and I'll let you guys

688
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: talk about I think it's pretty clear that they prefer

689
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: to see Rod Smith as their second running back. You

690
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Speaker 1: guys agree with that, Yeah, yeah, yeah, they they never

691
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: are interested in using him after after they drafted Zeke Elliott.

692
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Speaker 1: I mean he was. That's we always talk about it.

693
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: You do things in the free agency to prepare you

694
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Speaker 1: for if you don't address the problem in the draft.

695
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: But they did, and he so kind of became redundant.

696
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: I love him to death as a person. I don't

697
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: think he'll be back here, and honestly, I think there's

698
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: probably backfields in the NFL where he could still go

699
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: and a larger role. Op. Yeah, I don't know that

700
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: he's dying to resign here either. So in that role

701
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: that you said about drafting a running back, I mean

702
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: that's a perfect position where you can draft a running

703
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: back in the sixth round and say, be the third

704
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: back behind Rod Smith, maybe the second. You never know.

705
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: I mean we've seen absolute teams and absolutely loaded running

706
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Speaker 1: back class. I would and they have seven picks on

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Speaker 1: Day three. I'd be shocked if a running back isn't

708
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Speaker 1: one of the seven. Can I have a pick there? Sure?

709
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Speaker 1: I'll take Hines, Okay, Nakim Hines or nine North Carolina

710
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: Klas State fastest running back at the combine. Right, what

711
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: was the time? I think it's four three three something

712
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: like that. You'd beat it at the forty I beat that. No,

713
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Speaker 1: you can't. All right, let's move on Kyle Wilbur. Kyle

714
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Speaker 1: Wilber linebacker. I always like, how many special teams aces

715
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Speaker 1: do you need? No? I'm serious? And is that the

716
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: only role that he feels here? Though? Eight a second ace? No?

717
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: How many times do I have to do this with you?

718
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: Kyle Wilbur is a great special teams player. He's a

719
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: guaranteed special teams play per season he does I mean

720
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: he does play. Yeah, perst season is not an ace.

721
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: You're talking special teams like the leading special teams tackler

722
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: in the league maybe has ten in a year. I

723
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: mean it from last year. I can't remember that. Uh

724
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: he forced the fumble again? Oh, twenty seven teens. He's

725
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 1: a good special teams player and a versatile guy who

726
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: can do everything for you. That's the part that probably

727
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: could get him back here. But see versatility, they love that.

728
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: Don't they ever play defense? Go look at this. His

729
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: snaps on defense decreased every year after he signed his extension,

730
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: not only when they got more talent in here, but

731
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: when they realize, like, I'm not sure this guy is

732
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: really what we want in terms of being on the

733
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Speaker 1: field on defense. I mean, the vast majority of his

734
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: work this past season came on special teams. But but

735
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: let's let's not forget and then this is a big part.

736
00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: A lot of times on special teams, that's the stuff

737
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: you don't see. You know, you get a guy here,

738
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: he knows, Oh, this guy's coming in here, blocked there,

739
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: because all it takes is a guy, y'all. You bring

740
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 1: some guy in. They did it a few years ago.

741
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: They brought a guy in from the from the Seahawks,

742
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: and he came in, I got a punt blocked and

743
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: they lost the game, you know, because he didn't understand

744
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: that stuff. So sometimes on special teams and stuff we

745
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: don't see. But James Hanna has a special team, a

746
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 1: good special teams player. Jeff Heath is a good special

747
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 1: teams player. Keith Smith is a good special teams player.

748
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,959
Speaker 1: Von Frasier's great on like, how many of these guys

749
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: R Woods is going to be pretty think so too

750
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: many these guys can you afford to give money to,

751
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 1: especially when you're talking about an unrestricted free agent sixth year.

752
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: I also think it's worth pointing out that his special

753
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: team's coach who loves him is now in Oakland. Um, So,

754
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't be surprised, I guess, but I

755
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a big big priority for them

756
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,439
Speaker 1: to bring back. Okay, um, lp Latticer back special team,

757
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: bring him back. But any thing about what you said

758
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: about Oakland, I guarantee that Besot is over there looking

759
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: at that. But I think lp Um, he's still got

760
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: a few more years left. But I know that he's

761
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: already thinking of things after football, and some of those

762
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: things involved involved this area. I just would be shocked

763
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: if he's not back, and I think the Cowboys would pay.

764
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: He'll be walking around eating his cookie, eating his cookie.

765
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: He does. He does like to snack, all right, Bryce Butler.

766
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: Isn't that when the contingent right, you just kind of

767
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: hold that that's your glass break in case of emergency.

768
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: Ask me, yeah, ask me in two weeks. I mean,

769
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: when we know what's going to happen with dads, Ask

770
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: me about Bryce and their whole thing is if that's

771
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: their contingency plan, I'd better figure it out, because I mean,

772
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: I gotta imagine that he's going to get at least

773
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: an offer somewhere. You know, I don't know if I

774
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: don't think he'll be in that first wave though, And

775
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: no thing about this thing about free agency is you know,

776
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: you kind of have your first wave of free agents,

777
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 1: and those are gonna be the guys at day one,

778
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: day two, day three. Those will be those guys, and

779
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 1: then the rest of them start kicking in. They could

780
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 1: be you know, three weeks after that, four weeks after that, whatever.

781
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: So if the timetable on Dez is what you guys

782
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: think it will be, then there's plenty of time to

783
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: wait on Bryce, and he should still. I don't think

784
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: he's gonna be in that first way, So I think

785
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: he'll still be available for you to do a deal

786
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: with him if that time comes. And he's made it

787
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: clear the only way he wants to come back is

788
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: if Dez were not a part of me. That's what

789
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: he said. Those are the words that he put out there.

790
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: He signed his deal here a lot. He was the

791
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: first signing they made. He signed within like two hours

792
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: of the market opening, right, So I don't know, he

793
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: never thought what was gonna happen. He never thought Terence

794
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: was gonna be back and didn't think they would draft

795
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:41,959
Speaker 1: two receivers. Yep. I I leaned toward thinking no, but yeah,

796
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: I wouldn't shot nothing that wouldn't shock me either, in

797
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: the same way, I don't would be a team friend.

798
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. But if he if Dez

799
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: isn't back, I think I would try to sign him.

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00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: All right, I think he wants to come back. Let's

801
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,239
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Speaker 1: the Break, Welcome Back. It is the final segment of

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Speaker 1: The Break live from the s WBC Mortgage studios. At

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Speaker 1: the start, I'm enjoying this show. I'm having fun. Goods

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Speaker 1: you guys enjoying it? Yes, I love talking about football,

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Speaker 1: you know what. No, I was just thinking kind of like,

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Speaker 1: I don't no, I'm not feeling no. I was just thinking.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I was thinking about Noah Brown and how

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Speaker 1: he played last year and thinking the similarity that he

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Speaker 1: has with Dez. How sometimes you got them both confused.

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Speaker 1: I know I did, like all the time. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: an interesting thought. I don't know, do you do you

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Speaker 1: think there's any chance whatsoever that Noah Brown is ready

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Speaker 1: to step in and be a much bigger contributor year.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing, and I get this from fans all

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Speaker 1: the time when we talk about safety. You know, Jerry

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Speaker 1: Jerry confirmed for us basically what we already knew, which

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Speaker 1: is that they're going to give Byron a look at cornerback,

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Speaker 1: and so you talk about, you know, that's a need

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Speaker 1: you gotta fill this. You get the same thing with

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Speaker 1: wide receiver. And I get comments from people all the

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Speaker 1: time it's like, well, you don't believe in Xavier Woods

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Speaker 1: and Cavan Frasier, and you can say the same thing

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Speaker 1: about Noah Browns, like why all this talk about replacing

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Speaker 1: Dez when you got Noah Brown on the roster, why

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Speaker 1: don't you give Xavier Woods a shot. And I don't

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Speaker 1: mean that as a shot at any of those guys.

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Speaker 1: I think they're all great players that could develop into

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Speaker 1: you know, starting caliber players. But you can't. You can't

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Speaker 1: approach a season on that mindset. You can't bank on

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Speaker 1: a seventh round pick becoming a starter. You gotta spend resources.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's just if you if you go into

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Speaker 1: a season you know with you're like, well, if the

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Speaker 1: best case scenario plays out, will be pretty good, you're

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Speaker 1: probably gonna get Well, he's not even a guy that

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Speaker 1: when you talk about wide receivers for the Cowboys that

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Speaker 1: that name, that name doesn't really cross my mind right

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Speaker 1: talking about wide receivers. But then he did come into

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Speaker 1: my mind break I might wait, he absolutely and could

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Speaker 1: develop into a really good player. I think he's awesome.

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Speaker 1: He had a great training camp. The fact the matter is,

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Speaker 1: if the Cowboys take a wide receiver earlier parts of

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Speaker 1: the draft, as many expect they would, and let's say,

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Speaker 1: for example, Des is still on this team, there's a

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Speaker 1: scenario where maybe Noah isn't on this team, Like oh no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: you don't think no, because you got that eighty three

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Speaker 1: over there, that's just got it one more year before

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Speaker 1: you can cut tides there, So how many would you

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Speaker 1: carry on this team? I've got into that kind of situation.

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Speaker 1: I just think you can't make a decision. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if Noah Brown is good and then you draft someone,

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Speaker 1: I just think that they have the bad contract. Here

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Speaker 1: was the one they did with Terrence. Everybody all saw that,

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Speaker 1: and that that's what they got to have to figure out.

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Speaker 1: They have to got one more year to kind of

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Speaker 1: go through that where I think you can realistically cut him.

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Speaker 1: But let's say that that he's gone. Let's say what

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Speaker 1: des is gone, and maybe we'll see more out of Terrence.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know. I'm not I'm not expecting that. Also. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying you got to remember, like these you

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Speaker 1: draft someone, you gotta remember a couple of years ahead.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if if if Terrence Williams has

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Speaker 1: another season like he had last year, I don't think

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Speaker 1: he would be back. If they keep Dez and draft

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Speaker 1: a receiver, they're probably bringing Bryce Butler back, right, and

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Speaker 1: so that would still just leave you with six, which

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Speaker 1: is the same number you But at some point, don't

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Speaker 1: you expect that that last guy on the roster at

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Speaker 1: wide receiver is going to have to do more than

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Speaker 1: just be the last guy on the roster right. Well

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Speaker 1: that but I'm Noah Brown. I mean he blocked, he

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Speaker 1: he played some special teams like he's not just like

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Speaker 1: a wasted use of a game. Jersey So started playing more. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't that doesn't bother me right now, All right,

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Speaker 1: let's take Let's go ahead and get back to free agency.

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Speaker 1: Before we do that, though, Nick had a message for

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Speaker 1: all you loyal listeners out there. Well, I had a

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Speaker 1: question for Dave too. You know, if you are a

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Speaker 1: free agent, Yeah, would you rather be restricted or unrestricted? Unrestricted?

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Speaker 1: See that when it comes out underwear? So many more

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Speaker 1: benefits of unrestrict right, you can you can go different

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Speaker 1: different ways. How does that apply? So, Tommy John, no

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Speaker 1: Forward slash Cowboys. Where did Dave go? What's going on

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Speaker 1: in the struggle bus over? I happened. I hit the

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Speaker 1: lever on my chair and I didn't realize how far

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Speaker 1: down it went? Are you standing? I wish? Just why

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Speaker 1: do they stand up? My shoes got caught in the

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Speaker 1: chair too. It's a little. It was a debacle. I'm

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Speaker 1: glad that was all on that. That was worse than

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Speaker 1: than this joke that I had. So that's good at

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Speaker 1: offset that. Glad that was all on camera forever. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well the camera wasn't on you, but as soon as

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Speaker 1: we said it would right to you on an ice. Fine,

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Speaker 1: that's fine, It's fine, awesome, Okay, back to Tommy John. Yes,

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Speaker 1: no adjustment needed, Tommy John dot com forward slash Cowboys

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Speaker 1: where they let Tommy John be you're unrestricted free agent

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Speaker 1: or exclusive rights free agent one of the two franchise

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Speaker 1: tag as well. But but let's go on, let's move on.

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Speaker 1: I'll keep my mouth. It is for the sake of saved.

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Speaker 1: Saved this final segment, please please, all right, let's get

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Speaker 1: back to free ag. I went south like you did, exactly.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk a Anthony Hitchins because he is

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Speaker 1: the guy, if you look at this list that will

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Speaker 1: probably generate the most interest in free agency this year

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Speaker 1: across the NFL. Not that he's gonna be, like you know,

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Speaker 1: priority one for a lot of teams, but he will

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Speaker 1: be a guy that I think there will be some

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Speaker 1: teams that will express some interest. What are your thoughts

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Speaker 1: on number one, how he played, and then number two,

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Speaker 1: whether you think it's even possible that the Cowboys could

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Speaker 1: bring him back understanding the cap ramifications of what they've

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Speaker 1: already done and what they're expected to do over the

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Speaker 1: next few weeks. I think he's a baller. I think

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Speaker 1: he had his best season. He missed like the first

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Speaker 1: month of the season because of the injury to his

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Speaker 1: knee in the preseason, still played like a total badass. Played,

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Speaker 1: can play, Mike, can play, Will could play Sam if

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Speaker 1: you needed him too, But why would you? Because he

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Speaker 1: can do the other two. He might be the toughest

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Speaker 1: player on the team. He gets hurt. I remember standing

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Speaker 1: there in Oakland. He got hurt in the end zone

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Speaker 1: right before the heath play. Never would have thought that

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Speaker 1: he's gonna play the next week and he but he does.

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Speaker 1: I mean he fights through it him. He's he's witting,

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Speaker 1: like on the defensive side. When it comes to that.

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Speaker 1: People will always talk about him getting hurt. But he

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Speaker 1: doesn't miss a lot of games. He really doesn't. He

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Speaker 1: came back. Can't he tell you that too? What made

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Speaker 1: I come into him? Yeah? I did? Yeah, you know, well?

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Speaker 1: And then and then what happened. He missed the next

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Speaker 1: four games, so maybe he shouldn't have been well. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he broke up, he broke a bone in his knee,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, he was backed by like October tenth or

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Speaker 1: whatever the Green Bay game was. I mean, he's not

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Speaker 1: an all pro, but he's he's he's just he's really good.

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Speaker 1: He's a glue guy, great locker room guy, not like

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Speaker 1: you know, good team character guy. Um, he's that guy

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Speaker 1: that it's like he got two phones and you're like

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Speaker 1: talking to his agent here and then you're talking about

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Speaker 1: Jaylen Smith's rehab over here, Like hold on, how are

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Speaker 1: we looking over here? Because if we're looking really good,

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Speaker 1: and then he's gonna have a chance to really be

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Speaker 1: much better than I I think it's just probably too

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Speaker 1: much to try to pay him here because you kind

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Speaker 1: of went for it with Jalen Smith, and I think

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Speaker 1: we're gonna see where Jalen's going to be a good player.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, and then the wild car obviously is

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Speaker 1: Sean Lee and his health. But I think I think

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Speaker 1: you gotta go get it. And you might have said

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Speaker 1: this last time we talk, get another hitchens, Yeah, draft

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Speaker 1: another guy, And they tried with I was gonna say,

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Speaker 1: that's not as easy as they tried with Damien Wilson. Wait, well,

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Speaker 1: I think Barry Church is a great corollary for Hitchens.

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Speaker 1: I think it's the same. You know, he's a glue guy,

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Speaker 1: good character guy, very good starter for your team. Not

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Speaker 1: probably not ever going to be a pro bowler. He's

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Speaker 1: not gonna be in headlines about free agency. You know.

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Speaker 1: I read a free agency preview where like he wasn't

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Speaker 1: even on the short list of linebacker, which I thought

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Speaker 1: was kind of insulting. But I think, you know, I

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Speaker 1: think a team would give him twenty to thirty millions.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Barry got twenty six in Jacksonville. He wasn't

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Speaker 1: even I think he was the fourth biggest signing they

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Speaker 1: made last year. But he was obviously a key part

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Speaker 1: of that defense that got them to the conference title game.

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Speaker 1: I see something similar for him, Like he's not going

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Speaker 1: to break the bank, but it'll probably be more than

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys gonna afford with the structure of everything else

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Speaker 1: they have to do. But he might be one of

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Speaker 1: those guys that it, like you said, if he's not

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Speaker 1: in that first wave of stuff, he might be a

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Speaker 1: guy that that now the Cowboys start and they call

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Speaker 1: him back and say, all right, and it's been a week. Um,

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Speaker 1: I love. I feel like I have to point this out.

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Speaker 1: I mean I spent all last spring just saying by

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Speaker 1: the Terrence like, no way, no how, and sure enough

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Speaker 1: they signed back. So anything's possible. But if I had

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Speaker 1: to bet on it, I think he'll get a better

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Speaker 1: offer from somebody else. And I actually talked to Stephen

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Speaker 1: another example of thirty one is better than one, just

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Speaker 1: in general, unless you're playing golf the field most part,

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Speaker 1: thirty one teams yes, seem to thank you, right. And

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Speaker 1: you look at the amount of money that's out there

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Speaker 1: in free agents. I mean that's there caps there. There's

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Speaker 1: a team that has one hundred million dollars in cap space,

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Speaker 1: So there are teams that have a plenty of money

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Speaker 1: to spend Browns. I think it's Cleveland. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: there's one hundred different but I think there's another one

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Speaker 1: has like eighty nine. Like, there's teams that have a

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Speaker 1: bi a month, gonna be good billion dollars in cap space. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of room out there for teams. So

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Speaker 1: that's what makes it really hard for the Cowboys. Is

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Speaker 1: that not Not only he's a good player, but there

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Speaker 1: are a lot of teams with a lot of money

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Speaker 1: that are trying to fill holes that will do it

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Speaker 1: with free agency. We talked to Stephen about that in India,

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Speaker 1: and I mean they need two linebackers because Wilbur and

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Speaker 1: Hitchins are both free agents. Whether they bring them back,

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Speaker 1: whether they sign another guy and draft another guy, I

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Speaker 1: think linebackers another spot where it's a pretty good bet

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Speaker 1: they'll find a way to draft one. Do they talk

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Speaker 1: at all about about Damien Wilson and kind of where

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Speaker 1: he is at this point? Are they relying on him,

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Speaker 1: do they want to do they want to see more

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Speaker 1: opportunities for him. Do they feel like if they let

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Speaker 1: Hitchens go he fills that role or is it just

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Speaker 1: one of situations where they kind of like he is

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Speaker 1: what he is, will roll out the contract, We'll finish

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Speaker 1: out the contract and that's it. I do not think

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Speaker 1: his name came up, So do with that what you will,

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00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: although depending on how things shake out, I think, you know,

1060
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 1: he's probably your primary candidate to play Sam or at

1061
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: least one of them, and then he can make a

1062
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: push if they want him too. But I don't think

1063
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:58,919
Speaker 1: we really talked about it. Okay, I think nineteen could

1064
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:03,919
Speaker 1: be possible for you know, linebacker. Well, there's really only

1065
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: two in the first round, and that I guess one

1066
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,399
Speaker 1: of him could fall if these quarterbacks jump up there

1067
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: with the two pens On Smith in Edmonds, but I

1068
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 1: don't Tremaine Edmunds is there Boys State, He's he's boys

1069
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 1: the state. It was six names is coming up there, Layton, Layton,

1070
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 1: vander Esh that's only three. Whatever he's climbing, he's climbing

1071
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: up the arguy will mess it up. He's claiming up

1072
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: the prospect board. I don't know. He looks like Sean

1073
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: Lee Tomy like with watching him, watching him, No big guy,

1074
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: he's he's just good size. I heard him compared to Urlocker.

1075
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's tall and like that. I

1076
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 1: don't know if I mean well, I didn't like the comparison.

1077
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: I haven't seen Layton and Van Durash returned punts like

1078
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: Erlacker did in college. He was the point east. I

1079
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: resolved me and Brian both Dane Brugler convinced this that

1080
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: we need to watch him again because I didn't love

1081
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: him when I watched him, I was like, Okay, you're

1082
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 1: pretty good. I guess I don't know, but can I

1083
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: get your thoughts? I don't know where this is on

1084
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: your list, but since we're talking these guys, can I

1085
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 1: would just get your thoughts on Shaquine Griffin? What do

1086
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: you need my thoughts for? Like, he put it all

1087
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: out there for everybody, right, But would you but would

1088
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: you draft him knowing that he could play in the NFL? Yes?

1089
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: Where would you draft him? Fourth round pick one sixteen?

1090
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: And where does he play for this team? I would

1091
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 1: he would be a special team's monster, and then you

1092
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: put him out there in certain situations like pass rush situations.

1093
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: I'd put him on the field in that um three

1094
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: down linemen whatever you know, money forty four or whatever.

1095
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: Let him be just a designated pass rusher. Basically, he's

1096
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: fast as hell and he gets to the quarterback. He's

1097
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 1: unbelieved when when I when I think about him, and

1098
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: I think about, Okay, every play, here comes a guard

1099
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: that's pulling, and you know this, here's big sixty six

1100
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: for the Packers and he's got to shed this block.

1101
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 1: You think he could get get by that? I mean

1102
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: with what he's overcome in his life to be able

1103
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: to to to bench press twenty reps like that. I

1104
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 1: mean like he's overcome this his whole life. So nothing

1105
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 1: that is put on in front of him in a

1106
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: football field's ever really going to to be something that

1107
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: he can't overcome, you know what I mean? To me,

1108
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: he seems like a winner, like he can he can

1109
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: figure it. I mean out I guarrant if they haven't already,

1110
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: well I don't. I don't know if they met with

1111
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: him at the combine. I have no idea if they're

1112
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: going to try to bring him here, but they will

1113
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: fall in love with his personality. He's that, he's well,

1114
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: he's that in here. No, yeah, well I don't want

1115
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 1: I don't know who he met with or you know

1116
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: one the Jason wittne War Yeah he was right from Yeah, Um,

1117
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: he's he's got an infectious personality. He'd be an amazing

1118
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: locker room guy. You kind of lose me when you

1119
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: start talking about like the third round, because I want

1120
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 1: a starter. I want a full time starter in the

1121
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: third round. I don't I'm not willing to make that jump.

1122
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: And so but we'll pick one sixteen have him be

1123
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 1: on all your special teams, be a great locker room guy,

1124
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: probably would be a captain at some point in his career,

1125
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: and then he can come in and do stuff like

1126
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: rush the passer and disrupt plays. Absolutely. The closest example

1127
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: that we've really seen the NFL is JPP. He lost

1128
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:14,240
Speaker 1: his hand or part of his hand in that fireworks accident,

1129
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: and you listen to the people talk about his play

1130
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: in New York. He's not the same player. He's still

1131
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 1: a good player, not the same player, And that's the

1132
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,800
Speaker 1: only thing that makes me a little bit concerned. And again,

1133
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: you're right. What this kid has overcome suggests that he

1134
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: has the ability to overcome a lot more than the

1135
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: average person. I just don't know, because I've never played

1136
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: linebacker in the NFL. How valuable is that hand, Like,

1137
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: are there certain things that without that hand you're not

1138
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: gonna be able? You just can't. Not seen players play

1139
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: with a club yet. And that's but again, that's equivalent.

1140
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: You're right. JPP was pick eleven and he's a franchise

1141
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 1: caliber pass rusher. That's I'm not drafting not equivalent. Hold on,

1142
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: real quick, it's not equivalent because when you play with

1143
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: that you wrap it up and now you're like, oh,

1144
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: this is weird since he was five, never done it before.

1145
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: And also here's another thing. Is it a twin or

1146
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: just an older brother twin twin? Okay, so when you

1147
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 1: have a twin brother, especially one that that has more capabilities,

1148
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: he's been he's been battling his whole They even asked

1149
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: him after the forty what we were thinking. It was

1150
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: that faster than my brother. I mean, like, this guy's

1151
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: been doing this his whole life, so he understands. It's

1152
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: like Jim Abbott when he was pitching that guy, I understand,

1153
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: you know, knew how to put the glove here, and

1154
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: because that's just what you do, is what you do,

1155
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: he knows how to do it. He'll he'll get more

1156
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:34,720
Speaker 1: turnovers than Honestly, I think Jalen's case would have worried

1157
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: me more than him. Yeah, good point. I wouldn't, but

1158
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 1: I wouldn't draft him to play sixty defensive snaps a game.

1159
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 1: That's I'm I'm looking at him on day three. I've

1160
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 1: heard people say they'd draft him in the third round,

1161
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: and that seems early to me because I want a

1162
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,280
Speaker 1: guy that's drafted in the third round to play every snap.

1163
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: I don't think I would draft him to do that,

1164
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 1: but I think he could be a hell of an

1165
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: addition as a role player for any team. And I

1166
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: don't think I don't I think anybody's gonna be afraid

1167
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: of drafting him. I think everybody's gonna have an idea

1168
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: of what they could do with him. Since Nick took

1169
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 1: us there, give me a couple names of some other

1170
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: guys that did out to you at the Combine that

1171
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: you think are worthy of Cowboys fans keeping an eye on. So,

1172
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: I mean, good players did good things at the Combine

1173
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: that also would be available to the Cowboys. Put me

1174
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: on the spot, Um, I think one way or another,

1175
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 1: I think a good receiver will be there for them somewhere,

1176
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: Like it's just too good of a receiver class, and

1177
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley, he didn't blow people away with his measurable help.

1178
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: Get Yeah, absolutely, I'm you know it'll be dicey, but

1179
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: I think he'll be in that range. And if he

1180
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,720
Speaker 1: doesn't get to nineteen, then he could at least fall

1181
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 1: to a spot where you feel comfortable trading up for him.

1182
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 1: If you would, You would you think he's good enough

1183
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 1: that you would give up picks in order to move

1184
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: up to get him. No, because there's so many other

1185
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: I mean, my guy DJ Moore, he's probably he moved

1186
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: himself into the first round conversation. He measured in way taller,

1187
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: the way taller than people thought he would with three

1188
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: inches tall, way faster. Um, can I change it? Can

1189
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:05,320
Speaker 1: I change the question? Does is released? Yeah? You didn't

1190
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: really love what you got in free agency? I mean, okay,

1191
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: you got Bryce and you got what it is. You

1192
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: got a guy from there. There's gotta be a body.

1193
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: There's gotta be a guy that I'm saying, but yeah,

1194
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 1: that's Bryce. We've all agreed. Another guy. You got a

1195
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,399
Speaker 1: guy for you who I don't I can't think of one.

1196
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,399
Speaker 1: I don't even know who's available. But you just got

1197
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 1: someone that's whatever. So now Ridley is that fifteen sixteen?

1198
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,439
Speaker 1: Still wouldn't do it, Still wouldn't trade on Okay, Okay,

1199
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: I mean that does a lot about what you think

1200
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: of Ridley, right, I just I mean Dane, he's he

1201
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: describes him as a great number. He'll be an awesome

1202
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: number two receiver in the NFL. He might be the

1203
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: best number two in the league. You trade up for

1204
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 1: that I'm not is there a number one? If he's

1205
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: a top rated receiver, then is there a number one

1206
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 1: receiver in this class? Now you can project now. I

1207
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 1: know that there will be people that we don't see today.

1208
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 1: I'm just stealing words out of Dane's mouth. But like, Okay,

1209
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: Courtland Sutton is a guy that could develop into a

1210
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: one receiver. He's also probably the rawest of all of

1211
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: the make helping Cowboys right now right now, which the

1212
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 1: dudes that you're looking at are like ready made number

1213
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 1: twos who could come in here right away. I mean

1214
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 1: Dj Moore, Calvin Ridley, Michael Gallup is another one that

1215
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: people like a lot um. What I love about Dj

1216
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: Moore that that I think fits this team so well

1217
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: is just the sheer number of quarterbacks he's had to

1218
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 1: play with and he's been productive with all of them.

1219
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: And when you're talking about a young quarterback that the

1220
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: Cowboys have, that just gives me a little more. That

1221
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: makes me think that he's the kind of receiver that's

1222
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: gonna get open present himself. Well, it's just quarterback will

1223
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: be able to make easy throws to get it to

1224
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: him and then he'll make play. I'm at SMU quarterback

1225
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: that was in the in the league. No, he's not.

1226
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: That's what gets That's what gets me about Courtland Suttland,

1227
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: a Sutton, He's he's playing now. I'm just saying that

1228
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: just the number, the number that Dj Moore's had to

1229
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: play with and been productive with those guys like that,

1230
00:57:58,200 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: just to me, that blows my mind when you think

1231
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:01,919
Speaker 1: about sheer number of quarterbacks. You don't have to sell

1232
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: me on Dj Moore. I just worry. I'm so but

1233
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: I like him so much. I think he moved himself

1234
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 1: into the first round at the Combine and I absolutely

1235
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: would you, but I don't think the Cowboys would draft

1236
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: him at nineteen. So it almost feels futile to talk about.

1237
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: But do you think that this is a situation where

1238
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: the Cowboys would be if let's say he's moved himself

1239
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: in the first round but it's late first round, does

1240
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 1: that present an opportunity maybe where you drop back because

1241
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: you feel like eating a lot of guys we like.

1242
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: If we got back to twenty three, we might still

1243
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: be able to trading down the board. Trading down the

1244
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: board would be my absolute ideal scenario because whether it's

1245
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: DJ Moore whether it's Will Hernandez, the guard from Utah,

1246
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 1: whether it's Isaiah Winnut he's huge, whether it's one of

1247
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: the tight ends. What there's a variety of guys that

1248
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 1: should be there between twenty and thirty two that I

1249
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: would feel just fine taking, especially if you can add

1250
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: another pick to that. The problem is who's who's so

1251
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: desperate to get up? We're talking about how bad your options.

1252
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: That's where you hope those one of those quarterbacks is

1253
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 1: still sitting there and somebody wants to get up. Damn him, right,

1254
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 1: you hope? But I mean, you know I always won him.

1255
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: The Saints are a team that like love that people

1256
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: love to put Lamar Jackson. Maybe that's an option. Maybe

1257
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: they feel like he'll keep falling. I mean, how many

1258
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: teams between the Cowboys and the Saints need a quarterback?

1259
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: The Bills come to mind, a lot of people think

1260
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: the Bills might trade up into the tens or whatever,

1261
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: like the Chiefs did last year. So it's I don't

1262
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: I've never been more clueless about what the first round

1263
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: in the draft looks like it's gonna be. Like I

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Speaker 1: join us back next week. These guys will take you

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Speaker 1: through free agency. That I'll be the beginning of free agency.

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Speaker 1: Lets you know what's going on there until then for

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Speaker 1: Nick even Dave Helman and Regarcia on Derek Eagleton. This

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